{"id":"batch-000070","number":70,"revision":62,"date_start":"2026-01-16T21:51:00.914Z","date_end":"2026-01-19T19:38:14.643Z","total_messages":970,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 070 (Jan 16, 2026 – Jan 19, 2026), 970 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. From Jan 16 to Jan 19, 2026, batch 70 captures community disagreement on procedure in an ongoing criminal matter. Participants argued whether Supreme Court acknowledgment means filing and second-circuit momentum, whether 21 U.S.C. § 853(n), CVRA, remission, and 32.2(b) interact sequentially or in parallel, and whether 6000 listed claimants are true victims. They also disputed a Document 718-2 stipulation’s legal effect, victim-list disclosure, and 28 U.S.C. § 1291 timing for 853(n) appeals. Community statements, not court findings.","guide_en":[{"title":"Whether Supreme Court acknowledgment equals filing: dispute over whether second-circuit progress has started","description":"Some participants argued that Supreme Court receipt meant imminent case registration, while others contended that only a formal filing starts meaningful second-circuit momentum; the group split on whether procedural thresholds were met. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q368b967fe19f78915075","q63dcb517fc18a767cbd0","q6c2876b0fe9e37cbf910"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q368b967fe19f78915075","summary_en":"In this message, a participant argued that the Supreme Court was likely to file the case next week. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q63dcb517fc18a767cbd0","summary_en":"In this message, another participant contended that the Supreme Court’s acknowledgment suggested an early procedural kickoff. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q6c2876b0fe9e37cbf910","summary_en":"In this message, a participant argued that filing was the essential step and that was the key point. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"853(n), remission, and CVRA route conflict: forfeiture relief, remission, or parallel claims","description":"Participants claimed Gael’s litigation path was framed as 853(n) despite one side also describing a remission-first sequence, and they disagreed over whether those routes can run together or only one is viable. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q316c4fd19b0c8b075d1c","q45ff500740221b648493","q704170e7662221bc8048"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q316c4fd19b0c8b075d1c","summary_en":"A participant said the last motion was filed under 853n. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q45ff500740221b648493","summary_en":"A participant reiterated that the filed motion in court was 853n. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q704170e7662221bc8048","summary_en":"A participant described a sequence of going to the Justice Department for remission and then pursuing 853n in court. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Victim-status boundaries: whether 6000 listed people are true victims and procedural-versus-substantive claimant distinctions","description":"Participants argued claimant-by-claimant filing under 853(n) is required, disputed whether naming Gael was a pressure tactic, and contested if remission registrants should count as victims, including the 6000-person framing. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q132e1aad7af7279244f2","q715ab682374b54a2df7f","q21b52c0d6cf8a42a0aef"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q132e1aad7af7279244f2","summary_en":"A participant argued each party should apply individually under 853n. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q715ab682374b54a2df7f","summary_en":"A participant claimed Guo’s lawyer naming Gael was likely a pressure move. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q21b52c0d6cf8a42a0aef","summary_en":"A participant contended that people listed through remission were not victims. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Stipulation authenticity and effect: which version is correct and whether a coercive choice narrative exists","description":"Participants disputed whether the stipulation is a standard fact stipulation or coercive, with one side suggesting a sign-or-witness bargain and another saying the text showed no such conditional evidence tradeoff. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qd6c4579540c5fb537de8","q5ecd82b6cef34663f990","q0d90e07e4f94f9ff64fb"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qd6c4579540c5fb537de8","summary_en":"A participant briefly referenced that the stipulation included him and NFSC. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q5ecd82b6cef34663f990","summary_en":"A participant alleged the government gave a coercive choice between signing the stipulation and calling useful witnesses. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q0d90e07e4f94f9ff64fb","summary_en":"A participant provided a detailed explanation that the stipulation was a bilateral fact-agreement, not a plea, cooperation, or Rule 11-type exchange, and argued it lacked explicit conditional witness language. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Evidence preservation and disclosure conflict: victim list, social statements, and limits on obtaining downloadable proof","description":"Participants argued that messages can be preserved for court use, some requested full source text, and others claimed that keeping victim-list evidence redacted or blocked would weaken credibility in the ongoing process. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q26d997693a80f29546e9","qf4baa1c26ffe7b062bfa","qfdba5d75eae0d46510db"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q26d997693a80f29546e9","summary_en":"A participant argued current statements can be retained as potential courtroom evidence and referenced a 789 statement containing CCP-related content. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf4baa1c26ffe7b062bfa","summary_en":"A participant asked whether the original 789 text could be posted in the group. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qfdba5d75eae0d46510db","summary_en":"A participant argued that after acknowledged problems, victims or third parties had grounds to demand unredacted initial lists and supporting material, and non-disclosure would further question reliability. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Judicial partiality and recusal pressure: whether withdrawal, delay, or procedural reordering is likely","description":"Participants argued that a judge might need to recuse and avoid entanglement, while others called for a new mandatory order and noted unresolved pre-sentencing points, with no shared view on impact. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q1308f436493b252fcc11","q1313be2109b45b3b44dd","q595cd51ae00cf8eff62d"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q1308f436493b252fcc11","summary_en":"A participant said a judge should recuse to avoid stepping into a mixed-pool dispute. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q1313be2109b45b3b44dd","summary_en":"A participant argued that a new compulsory order could be drafted. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q595cd51ae00cf8eff62d","summary_en":"A participant argued the matter was not resolvable before sentencing. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Third-party appellate rights and mandamus timing: when a direct second-circuit path is argued","description":"Participants contested extraordinary-relief timing, with one saying CVRA uniquely supports mandamus at any time, another calling it the same mechanism, and another emphasizing upload rights as an unavoidable constitutional issue. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qf8a382edf0da1c4c28ac","qd06f7878a683d2f8a7ed","q5fe605f221d0e0376727"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qf8a382edf0da1c4c28ac","summary_en":"A participant claimed only CVRA could support immediate mandamus filing. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qd06f7878a683d2f8a7ed","summary_en":"A participant replied that the mechanism remained mandamus. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q5fe605f221d0e0376727","summary_en":"A participant argued the issue was an upload dispute and said the upload right is a constitutional right. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Shift toward execution-stage tactics: summons, hearings, and using 853n as the immediate advance channel","description":"Participants argued that progress now requires procedural execution actions, with one proposing a specific appeal against forfeiture control and others narrowing viable routes based on whether a final 853n property-right ruling exists. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q0b32e520fa003b630a8b","qe388b84242f07ab464d0","q67346226511ca3c36cf1"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q0b32e520fa003b630a8b","summary_en":"A participant argued an immediate appeal could target preliminary forfeiture and government trustee control continuing for five months. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qe388b84242f07ab464d0","summary_en":"A participant reported another 853n mandamus was denied in the Second Circuit because no CVRA relief motion was filed in district court, and asked whether repeat non-CVRA filing would be denied again. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q67346226511ca3c36cf1","summary_en":"A participant argued 853(n) appealability depends on whether the district court has entered a final decision on the movant’s property-right claim, not automatic direct review of preliminary or principal forfeiture. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Victim-list narrative moved to attribution: mastermind, organizational role, and g-series asset chain still contested","description":"Participants argued the narrative turned to attribution of core facts, especially who controlled the g-series asset chain, whether certain entities were the true issuer, and whether the debt narrative supports fraud or a wider coordinated operation theory. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q7e9026cfd65897bc24c7","qe3ea0b1320b78908d678","q201dcac996fa3bf8053c"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q7e9026cfd65897bc24c7","summary_en":"A participant argued the key point was linking Guo and the g-series assets. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qe3ea0b1320b78908d678","summary_en":"A participant argued that 青藤 was the true coin issuer and questioned why 苍天 was brought forward first. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q201dcac996fa3bf8053c","summary_en":"A participant argued the central fact was the debt instrument’s authenticity, with different legal conclusions depending on whether that fact was true or false. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Whether external social-media and livestream content can be evidence: supportive and critical interpretations","description":"Participants disputed the evidentiary value of external social posts, treating platform content as potentially useful while leaving authenticity, context, and weight unresolved. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q3df29340df2115032155","qe228a54f178d44e625b5"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q3df29340df2115032155","summary_en":"A participant introduced a social-media post as part of the case discussion. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qe228a54f178d44e625b5","summary_en":"A participant introduced another social-platform post in support of the narrative. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Alliance, lawyers, and fox-hunt/intervention narrative: interference claims and witness pressure accusations","description":"Participants argued that allies may have pressured witness decisions, others saw those comments as responses to private complainants, and another side asserted CVRA plus 853n gives legitimate third-party procedural power to contest interference. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q1b5d8d2902bdfd2fe6dd","qf7f4a917fc9bc05723ee","q80b2e35984f59cdb633c"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q1b5d8d2902bdfd2fe6dd","summary_en":"A participant argued that alliance silence from witnesses could be about protecting allies. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf7f4a917fc9bc05723ee","summary_en":"A participant argued the statement was likely a response to those pursuing self-initiated prosecution. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q80b2e35984f59cdb633c","summary_en":"A participant argued CVRA and 853n create third-party rights and accused others of intervention, inducement, fraud, and possible retaliation. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"After group polarization, conduct boundaries became a secondary dispute: insults, labels, and blacklisting conflicts","description":"Participants noted rising hostility and argued for boundary rules on speech and conduct, while another line framed those utterances as potential pattern, chilling-effect, and structural-evidence material. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q46c3d57520aa70b84113","q852e547f3760fe9ae090","qcf164a38b82012a93e2d"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q46c3d57520aa70b84113","summary_en":"A participant argued that the term 'comrade' had become overused. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q852e547f3760fe9ae090","summary_en":"A participant argued for group rules barring insults, crypto promotion, and unsolicited intervention in the case such as coordinated judge-contact campaigns. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qcf164a38b82012a93e2d","summary_en":"A participant argued all related remarks can serve as pattern evidence, chilling-effect evidence, and contextual-chain support. Community statements, not court 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那是知法犯法 瞎几把搞","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa141234a68b27a8e811f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q99a158e742fcf9c5dbba","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa141234a68b27a8e811f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q9e504d094b4cd39d6921","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":203,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-17T06:27:54.892Z","text":"至于法官是不是制造了受害人，这个不是重点，也不是客观可以证明的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e504d094b4cd39d6921","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q39b9ea0a9f9e06d147a4","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":204,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-17T06:28:28.193Z","text":"不仅违反二巡规则 还虚假陈述","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q39b9ea0a9f9e06d147a4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qd8e54a31b00922c09de1","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":205,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-17T06:28:33.094Z","text":"这个太他妈严重了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd8e54a31b00922c09de1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q2147df160a780586db93","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":206,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-17T06:28:48.400Z","text":"这法官早该回避了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2147df160a780586db93","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q1974cf8d8163092f0e28","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":207,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-17T06:29:30.993Z","text":"托雷斯自己制造受害者就够夸张了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1974cf8d8163092f0e28","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q58e02505fb2004177df2","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":208,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-17T06:33:44.841Z","text":"只能说法官因为程序不正义的处理方式，逼迫螺丝哥选择cvra这个身份","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1974cf8d8163092f0e28","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q58e02505fb2004177df2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1974cf8d8163092f0e28","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q26c40a4a9fc640aae635","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":209,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-17T06:34:14.429Z","text":"但是主观上是不是她要制造受害人，那就不一定了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q26c40a4a9fc640aae635","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qc05049cade517c293285","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":210,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-17T06:37:11.520Z","text":"是客观的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q26c40a4a9fc640aae635","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc05049cade517c293285","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q26c40a4a9fc640aae635","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q768b3eedb87cde4d4f92","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":211,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-17T06:37:14.417Z","text":"是的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q58e02505fb2004177df2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q768b3eedb87cde4d4f92","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q58e02505fb2004177df2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qb2b0d94c8ffb4210a897","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":212,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-17T06:37:19.338Z","text":"但这也够夸张了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb2b0d94c8ffb4210a897","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qefec85ba201b052663ea","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":213,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-17T06:38:06.680Z","text":"但是刑事案件非当事人853n和cvra两种方式发动议，是合理的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qefec85ba201b052663ea","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q4390213ea2d5386ce1cc","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":214,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-17T06:38:29.196Z","text":"只不过853n的路径，好像法官也没留给螺丝哥","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4390213ea2d5386ce1cc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qb58e273c5048e47ad860","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":215,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-17T06:38:44.388Z","text":"所以他只能cvra了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb58e273c5048e47ad860","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q5ce532b5674c5ab9c765","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":216,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2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肯定有炸裂的东西","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8a97c5bc72731f5e75a0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q029f6b15d9e2fb1e414d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8a97c5bc72731f5e75a0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q27df8a393ec7e8a7d3ec","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":222,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-17T06:40:52.615Z","text":"现在被我们闹成这样 不如当时允许上传","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q27df8a393ec7e8a7d3ec","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qb46e9d09c79118213e64","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":223,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-17T06:40:57.641Z","text":"这样风险控制在南区","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb46e9d09c79118213e64","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qb7744bcbe1f3dfc45ff0","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":224,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-17T06:41:06.880Z","text":"你一刀切 我们直接去二巡 最高法","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb7744bcbe1f3dfc45ff0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q202328ed12d1aaa82e5c","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":225,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-17T06:41:44.563Z","text":"所以我觉得 要么法官太蠢 要么就是第三方有比我们去二巡最高法还牛逼的东西","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q202328ed12d1aaa82e5c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q1014889a113be33e6762","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":226,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-01-17T06:42:32.780Z","text":"只有这个恶意制造受害者制度性修正影响后来的司法案件才让可以一个人名垂青史🤣 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[删节：隐私信息] 来到 **郭文贵法庭文件，不禁言不删帖**! 你可以在聊天区交流郭文贵刑事案件，畅所欲言。这里有新老联盟农场羊帮质疑帮绝对不可能给你的言论自由。不禁言不删帖，唯一要求是不要在聊天区刷屏。这里所有言论只代表发言者自己的非专业个人意见，如有任何疑虑，请咨询专业人士。\n\n各房间功能说明：\n\n想快速了解郭文贵案件 ->  法庭文件分类索引，老郭案件内容\n想学习自诉 -> 自诉pro se 说明及参考\n想骂人 -> 对骂发泄房间\n想刷屏 -> 揭发自诉陷阱","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdf54cf31c6a253b0fb9b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q49eb012805efdff9c394","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":242,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-01-17T12:15:47.500Z","text":"https://x.com/qiqi7877/status/2012470594252730689?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q49eb012805efdff9c394","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qf730ba97fbff098814b9","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":243,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-17T12:17:24.288Z","text":"不上传就是没有记录","edited":false,"reply_to":"q202328ed12d1aaa82e5c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf730ba97fbff098814b9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q202328ed12d1aaa82e5c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q84ed132c7c05eeebb778","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":244,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-17T12:17:37.862Z","text":"如果让上传了，以后就有记录了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q84ed132c7c05eeebb778","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q72f1b1827a4c57978e4d","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":245,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-17T12:17:54.112Z","text":"他们宁愿违规，也不愿意有记录","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q72f1b1827a4c57978e4d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q485579dd1d8b1b8b6327","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":246,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-17T12:37:35.894Z","text":"789出来以后，灭共演员都在夸律师，踩自诉😆","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q485579dd1d8b1b8b6327","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q03ca3b3098747e7f1ed3","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":247,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-17T12:39:13.217Z","text":"这是必然的，还在想着永远以打被告的旗号行骗。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q03ca3b3098747e7f1ed3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q365c94fd20bcc2eb2d66","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":248,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-17T13:14:47.691Z","text":"瑞恩说已经退出江湖纠纷😄","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc9fafd3094e6588af09d","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q365c94fd20bcc2eb2d66","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qd73a6a2a099f5fc2aad5","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":249,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-01-17T13:39:09.969Z","text":"功成身退，如范蠡携西施泛舟而去，把结局交给历史😂","edited":false,"reply_to":"q365c94fd20bcc2eb2d66","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd73a6a2a099f5fc2aad5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q365c94fd20bcc2eb2d66","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q6d94f0ec07e3b32978a5","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":250,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-17T13:55:33.122Z","text":"接下来哪个有本事做到，在二巡强制令或者上诉立案后，二巡让相关方回应。那就厉害了。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6d94f0ec07e3b32978a5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q65548a0a951fb79d9151","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":251,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-17T14:00:58.852Z","text":"那就是二巡第一次正式撕破脸了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6d94f0ec07e3b32978a5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q65548a0a951fb79d9151","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6d94f0ec07e3b32978a5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qc96d2445f0ef7fb8e5ce","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":252,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-17T14:01:18.823Z","text":"二巡的原则是量刑前尽量不要撕破脸","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc96d2445f0ef7fb8e5ce","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batch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kir***］  你让瑞恩给瞅瞅，我这么拉清单的写信行不行？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1e8de474422e1d712843","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qd01ca61f6cba709a81a9","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":254,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-17T14:06:27.575Z","text":"哦哦 你这异议有点多啊 哈哈","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd01ca61f6cba709a81a9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qc98f0d6e6855a1b3a6e0","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":255,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-17T14:08:00.776Z","text":"就是把我给南区的所有动议的主要内容捋了一遍","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc98f0d6e6855a1b3a6e0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q013f0f4bd36d6e728520","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":256,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-17T14:08:37.246Z","text":"就是告诉南区，这些事儿我都记着呢，不给个说法没完","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q013f0f4bd36d6e728520","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qb65d0cc2203e60818e3f","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":257,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-17T14:08:58.354Z","text":"盖尔那些螺丝哥是专家 你可以问问","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb65d0cc2203e60818e3f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q13bcd8a0ba7f82396949","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":258,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-17T14:09:32.203Z","text":"其他都行","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q13bcd8a0ba7f82396949","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qae00d647d18fcefbd05b","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":259,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-17T14:16:27.194Z","text":"［用户 chu***］ 你给看看盖尔那一段该咋写？","edited":true,"reply_to":"q1e8de474422e1d712843","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qae00d647d18fcefbd05b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1e8de474422e1d712843","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qa27193aa977db2ddffcc","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":260,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-01-17T16:18:01.002Z","text":"3月份那个表就是司法部行政程序的请愿资金返还，请愿人选项有受害者和owner两项，我选的owner , 这是联盟给的填表示范","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe26493ead21a494e0446","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa27193aa977db2ddffcc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe26493ead21a494e0446","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q38269f5f44ca48836761","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":261,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-01-17T16:19:04.130Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息]［用户 xia***］","edited":true,"reply_to":"qf5ce35383f34c2f3bb14","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q38269f5f44ca48836761","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q1ffb80cf742ae1ee726c","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":262,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-17T16:27:29.730Z","text":"参与司法部（DOJ）的**没收返还（remission）**程序，不要求你承认自己是“犯罪受害人”。\nDOJ 没收返还表格的含义\n依据 28 C.F.R. 第 9 部分，司法部允许基于两种相互独立的身份提交返还申请：\n1️⃣ 受害人（Victim）\n你主张自己因定罪所涉犯罪行为而遭受了直接的金钱损失。\n这是司法部在行政层面用于返还评估的分类，不具有司法裁判效力。\n2️⃣ 所有人（Owner）\n你主张对被没收财产享有法律上的或衡平上的所有权或占有权益。\n无需承认或主张自己是犯罪受害人。\n表格之所以设置“所有人（Owner）”选项，正是为了允许申请人在不采用受害人定性的情况下参与返还程序。\n选择“所有人（Owner）”不意味着什么\n选择 Owner 并不意味着：\n承认你是犯罪受害人；\n承认被告对你实施了犯罪；\n放弃或削弱你在 § 853(n)、**CVRA（犯罪受害人权利法）**或其他程序中的权利或主张；\n在任何法院程序中对你产生约束或禁止反言效力。\n没收返还是行政裁量程序，而非司法裁判。\n实务要点\n如果你希望在不进行受害人定性的前提下参与返还程序，\n选择“所有人（Owner）”即可。\n该选择在返还程序中是充分且合法的，且不会在其他法律程序中构成不利承认。\n结论\n参与 DOJ 没收返还并不要求承认受害人身份。\nDOJ 表格明确允许你以“所有人”身份参与，该选择仅限于行政返还目的，不影响你在其他法律框架下的立场与权利。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa27193aa977db2ddffcc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1ffb80cf742ae1ee726c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa27193aa977db2ddffcc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q9d7900da8b9657e3cbe9","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":263,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-17T16:31:50.036Z","text":"仅在 DOJ 返还（remission）表格中以“所有人（Owner）”身份填写，不能、也不应被直接用来在量刑阶段把你当作“犯罪受害人（Victim）”。\n下面是严格的法律区分说明。\n一、量刑中的“受害人”是谁决定的？\n量刑阶段的“受害人”认定只由法院作出，依据的是：\n18 U.S.C. § 3771（CVRA）；\n量刑指南（U.S.S.G.）；\n以及是否有人正式向法院主张并证明受害人身份（如受害人陈述、CVRA 动议、PSR 中的受害人认定等）。\n👉 DOJ 的行政表格本身没有、也不可能产生量刑效力。\n二、以“Owner”填写返还表格的法律效果\n在 28 C.F.R. Part 9 的返还体系中：\n“Owner” 只是用于行政返还评估的分类；\n表示你主张对被没收财产享有所有权或衡平权益；\n不等同于、也不包含“因犯罪行为直接遭受损失的受害人”这一要件。\n因此：\n以 Owner 身份填写返还表格 ≠ 承认自己是刑事意义上的受害人。\n三、DOJ 能否“拿去用”于量刑？\n不能自动使用，也不能单方面转换用途。\n原因有三：\n用途不同\n返还表格：行政裁量、财产返还；\n量刑受害人：刑法与程序法问题。\n标准不同\nOwner：是否有财产权或衡平权益；\nVictim（量刑）：是否因定罪犯罪遭受直接、可量化损失。\n程序不同\n量刑中使用“受害人”，必须通过：\nPSR 明确列为受害人，或\n当事人/检方在量刑程序中明确主张并接受法院审查。\n不能仅凭一份返还表格完成。\n四、是否存在“被动变成受害人”的风险？\n正常、合法程序下：风险极低。\n除非出现以下情形之一：\n你另行向法院提交文件，自称 CVRA 受害人；\n你提交了受害人影响陈述（Victim Impact Statement）；\n你明确请求在量刑中行使 CVRA 权利；\nPSR 将你列为受害人且你未提出异议。\n单独的 Owner 返还申请，不足以触发上述任何一项。\n五、结论（可直接引用）\n仅以“Owner”身份填写 DOJ 没收返还表格，不会、也不应被用作在刑事量刑阶段将你认定为“犯罪受害人”。\n返还中的“Owner”是行政概念，量刑中的“Victim”是司法认定，两者在法律上相互独立，不能自动转化。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9d7900da8b9657e3cbe9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q577ee1cff96f35b5cb32","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":264,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-17T16:39:25.107Z","text":"😆 \n如果你不希望法院在量刑或其他司法程序中将你认定为“犯罪受害人”，那么你不应提交 CVRA 动议。\n以下是中立、准确的法律说明。\n一、CVRA 动议向法院传递的含义\n依据 18 U.S.C. § 3771（犯罪受害人权利法，CVRA），提交 CVRA 动议的核心含义是：\n请求法院确认你属于犯罪受害人，并执行相应的法定受害人权利。\n尽管提交 CVRA 动议并不会自动赋予受害人身份，但它明确促请法院作出受害人认定。\n一旦法院明示或默示地准许该动议，你就可能在以下方面被视为受害人：\n获得通知与参与权；\n提交受害人影响陈述；\n纳入赔偿（restoration / restitution）考量；\n对量刑产生影响。\n二、如果你不提交 CVRA 动议\n如果你不提交 CVRA 动议：\n法院通常没有程序触发点去认定你为受害人；\n在正常情况下，你不会被默认纳入量刑阶段的受害人范围；\n法院也不会依据 CVRA 框架处理你的权利主张。\n量刑中的受害人认定，通常来源于：\nCVRA 主张；\n量刑前调查报告（PSR）中对受害人的列明；\n或基于上述材料作出的司法认定。\n三、重要的例外说明（需知）\n不提交 CVRA 动议，并不绝对保证你不会被视为受害人，以下情形除外：\nPSR 在政府材料基础上主动将你列为受害人；\n检方明确请求法院将你认定为受害人，且法院采纳。\n不过，你本人提交 CVRA 动议，是法院认定你为受害人的最直接、最清晰路径。\n四、结论\n如果你的目标是不让法院在司法程序中将你认定为受害人，那么不提交 CVRA 动议是正确且合理的选择。\nCVRA 动议是请求并促成受害人司法认定的程序工具。\n在不提交 CVRA 动议的情况下，你仍可通过行政返还（以 Owner 身份）、民事途径或财产权主张等方式维护自身利益，而无需采用受害人定性。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q577ee1cff96f35b5cb32","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qef25c065172f0700b15f","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":265,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-01-17T16:39:34.768Z","text":"螺丝哥在这段一分半钟的语音中说：“托雷斯法官在王雁平认罪的前提下仍然给了她十年的顶格量刑。由此可见，托雷斯法官绝对不是什么善人；王是一个女性，已经跪地求饶了，还得了癌症、还有孩子，托雷斯都不心慈手软、对王毫无怜悯之心、给了个顶格量刑；但凡有一点点机会，她都不会轻易放过老郭。\n托雷斯法官还在去年春在法庭文件中明确修理一个身在墙内的螺丝哥。\n托雷斯不是什么善人之辈；\n王雁平认罪，也绝对不是当时长岛把持的联盟所宣扬的什么英雄。\nTMD, 当时我是那么相信联盟成员，也跟着这帮垃圾到处说王是英雄，大概说了有一年之久。大家应该可以看到我以前发的推文。我还有一段时间跟着小羊等垃圾的说辞：要尊重美国法律、尊重法官、尊重托雷斯！\n事实证明，托雷斯绝不是善良之辈！","edited":false,"reply_to":"q32107a6bc47321ab7557","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qef25c065172f0700b15f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q79348b6f1d8b99d261aa","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":266,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-17T17:02:00.449Z","text":"这种在 CVRA 动议中提出 Brady 证据问题和检方欺诈法院（fraud upon the court）的做法，在程序上对被告是中性的，但在实体上往往对被告是有利的；不过，它不被视为被告方的辩护动议。\n\n以下是精确、客观的法律分析。\n\n一、程序层面：法院如何定性该动议\n\n即便在 CVRA 动议中提出 Brady 违规或欺诈法院，该动议在形式上仍然是：\n\n第三方 / 受害人权利动议，而非\n\n被告方动议，\n\n规则 12 动议，\n\n规则 33 动议，\n\n上诉文件。\n\n因此，在程序上：\n\n法院不会将其视为替被告辩护；\n\n被告不会因此获得新的诉讼地位或权利；\n\n该动议不能替代被告律师自行提出相关主张。\n\n二、实体影响：为何可能对被告有利\n\n尽管程序上属于第三方文件，但你所提及的内容本身通常是对被告有利的。\n\n（一）Brady 问题\n\n如果动议有根据地指称：\n\n检方隐匿有利或用于弹劾的证据；\n\n向法院作出不实陈述；\n\n操纵记录，影响没收、赔偿或量刑，\n\n那么这些问题：\n\n直接涉及正当程序权利；\n\n关系到定罪或量刑的公平性；\n\n属于被告的核心宪法权利。\n\n法院无法将真实的 Brady 违规仅视为“受害人事务”。\n\n（二）欺诈法院（Fraud upon the Court）\n\n关于欺诈法院的指控：\n\n属于结构性问题，不依附于某一方；\n\n动摇的是整个司法程序的完整性；\n\n对被告同样具有直接影响。\n\n一旦指控具有可采性，法院负有独立审查义务。\n\n三、为何不构成对被告的不利影响\n\n提出上述问题并不会对被告造成不利，因为：\n\n动议并未请求加重量刑；\n\n未主张新的损失金额或量刑加重因素；\n\n未提交受害人影响陈述；\n\n未承认任何对辩方不利的事实。\n\n相反，指出检方不当行为，通常：\n\n削弱政府立场；\n\n支持辩方论点；\n\n或至少为辩方保留可供采纳的问题线索。\n\n四、重要限制与注意事项\n\n尽管该动议在实体上可能有利，但存在明确限制：\n\n若被告律师未自行提出或采纳这些问题，法院可能：\n\n仅予以记录；\n\n延后处理；\n\n或在量刑阶段不予实质性救济。\n\n被告不能依赖第三方文件来保存其上诉权利。\n\n因此，其有利效果是间接的，而非替代性的。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q79348b6f1d8b99d261aa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qaa772cd4b5e988e4758f","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":267,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-17T17:08:58.154Z","text":"我当时转CVRA时,AI是这么说的\n二、身份声明及法律依据\n申请人最初以 21 U.S.C. §853(n) 身份出现，主张对涉刑事没收资产拥有合法财产权。\n然而，由于政府未能承认众多投资者为受害者，且法院对第三方动议持续不作为，\n申请人现进一步援引《犯罪受害者权利法》（18 U.S.C. §3771）所保障的权利。\n此双重身份并非自我宣称，而源于国会意图：财产权主张人和金融受害者均应享有公平程序，包括 §3771(a) 所规定的“被倾听、被告知、受到公正对待”的权利。\n因此，申请人请求法院在认可其 §853(n) 权利的同时，也确认其 CVRA 权利。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q79348b6f1d8b99d261aa","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaa772cd4b5e988e4758f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q79348b6f1d8b99d261aa","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q11ff1011b3a2df234826","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":268,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-17T17:20:57.223Z","text":"小羊不是说提交cvra动议就是承认自己是受害人吗？AI说如果你的cvra动议说的是检方布雷迪违规，或者司法欺诈，是不能用来做量刑的受害人的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qaa772cd4b5e988e4758f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q11ff1011b3a2df234826","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaa772cd4b5e988e4758f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q155d4cf13db8caa5d949","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":269,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-17T17:21:48.274Z","text":"即使你提交的是cvra动议，也不会作为受害人增加量刑，这就是上面那段话的意思","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q155d4cf13db8caa5d949","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q85c3485ae75e4a343cd0","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":270,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-17T17:22:13.187Z","text":"你可以用这个来反驳小羊😆","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q85c3485ae75e4a343cd0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q7e10eb071a7902622880","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":271,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-17T17:31:11.593Z","text":"https://x.com/Haier918/status/2012578408832581708?s=20","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7e10eb071a7902622880","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q48440b002e1ceb602994","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":272,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-17T17:43:31.376Z","text":"受害者人数是检方那个remission 法庭上的根本不算","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7e10eb071a7902622880","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q48440b002e1ceb602994","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7e10eb071a7902622880","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q16930cd8314cd61a7688","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":273,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-17T17:50:45.530Z","text":"不是","edited":false,"reply_to":"q48440b002e1ceb602994","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q16930cd8314cd61a7688","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q48440b002e1ceb602994","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q4e00b9e5112f20fe6882","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":274,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-17T17:50:50.533Z","text":"你自己查一下","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4e00b9e5112f20fe6882","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q21b52c0d6cf8a42a0aef","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":275,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-17T17:51:11.511Z","text":"检方登记的remission那些人不算受害者","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q21b52c0d6cf8a42a0aef","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q5342a53d82685669aedb","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":276,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-17T17:51:38.779Z","text":"只有在法庭上用cvra发动议的要钱的人才算受害者","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5342a53d82685669aedb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q55599916217b8a82e310","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":277,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-17T17:52:09.384Z","text":"或者检方受害者表格登记的那些人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q55599916217b8a82e310","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q4b84cac413112202bc20","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":278,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-17T17:52:49.470Z","text":"只有在法庭上用cvra发动议的要钱的人, 就是之前盖尔代理的6000人，他们引用cvra要钱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4b84cac413112202bc20","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qefe601c95b39bc11fe41","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":279,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-17T17:53:18.758Z","text":"其他的引用cvra但是提布雷迪违规的那些，也不能算受害者","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qefe601c95b39bc11fe41","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q5404fdd31560858e5f65","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":280,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-17T17:54:13.918Z","text":"检方remission登记那些，尤其是写owner的那些人，检方是不能算作受害人的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5404fdd31560858e5f65","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qc65a319b807d4d9d51b9","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":281,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-17T17:55:03.123Z","text":"但是如果你自己跑到法庭上引用cvra要钱或者要增加量刑，这法庭如果同意了，你就是受害者了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc65a319b807d4d9d51b9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q3120a3de1126968b7661","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":282,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-17T17:55:25.777Z","text":"我操 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还有重磅 到时候可以接着写","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9c831ca4056914132f4f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q3b4345eab204cd704f9b","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":383,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-17T18:44:54.338Z","text":"如果律师突然这么说，估计法官会说律师威胁受害者","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd953320ab00b0e2ef63e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3b4345eab204cd704f9b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd953320ab00b0e2ef63e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qa25bf87c7a24d89b9216","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":384,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-17T18:44:57.961Z","text":"瑞恩也让回避了，紧跟着螺丝也让回避，我的回避还没到美国😆","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa25bf87c7a24d89b9216","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q98c1996c695c94f5f2cb","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":385,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-17T18:45:23.095Z","text":"对的 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是的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3b4345eab204cd704f9b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q97580a06050895274ca3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3b4345eab204cd704f9b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qccea9f861675618c555a","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":389,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-17T18:45:54.013Z","text":"有证据是肯定的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q39c20674b192523f0936","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qccea9f861675618c555a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q39c20674b192523f0936","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q173ee9ef88610b24b795","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":390,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-17T18:45:55.457Z","text":"这个不重要，关键是二巡看到了人们对托雷斯的态度","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q173ee9ef88610b24b795","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qf743cdb091f918456b3c","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":391,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-17T18:46:00.500Z","text":"是的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q173ee9ef88610b24b795","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf743cdb091f918456b3c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q173ee9ef88610b24b795","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qacfd77826ad444514f04","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":392,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-17T18:46:07.796Z","text":"托雷斯已经有辱司法尊严了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qacfd77826ad444514f04","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q9260a438b966f8b22eb4","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":393,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-17T18:46:36.980Z","text":"后面上二巡的都别忘了加一句，让她回避","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9260a438b966f8b22eb4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q0fec444bcf18e3904f03","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":394,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-17T18:46:48.288Z","text":"说都把她说走了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0fec444bcf18e3904f03","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q4031f49a3294204ab369","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":395,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-17T18:49:14.835Z","text":"羊群全体出动了https://x.com/Kk26400689/status/2012414116766310500?s=20","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4031f49a3294204ab369","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q1bd450cdb90d825e5c3f","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":396,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-17T18:50:48.231Z","text":"https://x.com/okmyfriend7/status/2012555080130801927?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1bd450cdb90d825e5c3f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q3c7a1bb7f0b4cb6edebd","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":397,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-17T18:51:09.546Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息]","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3c7a1bb7f0b4cb6edebd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qdfc9573d304acdaee556","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":398,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-17T18:51:17.642Z","text":"瑞恩这么多小号呢🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdfc9573d304acdaee556","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q3924941adf89cd5fdb71","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":399,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-17T18:53:33.936Z","text":"说你是[删节：隐私信息]，我还会相信。那个[删节：隐私信息]，明显不是[删节：隐私信息]😆","edited":true,"reply_to":"q3c7a1bb7f0b4cb6edebd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3924941adf89cd5fdb71","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3c7a1bb7f0b4cb6edebd","reply_label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