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干嘛不叫王岐山呀？😂","edited":true,"reply_to":"qda3bc39ffb7389175ec2","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe53f8112fb0fc7318d0f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q2a76ce2c33910c83b0e5","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":614,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-01-18T03:21:49.582Z","text":"有些人谨慎一点注册新号进来可以理解","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2a76ce2c33910c83b0e5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qc391af103adbbef9c3e4","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":615,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-01-18T03:22:23.448Z","text":"我们要多包容，欢迎大家来","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc391af103adbbef9c3e4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q3c75bdb3421911b8a591","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":616,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-01-18T03:25:01.833Z","text":"我刚进群时问过一个比较简单的问题被你呛过，我差点就退群不想看了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3c75bdb3421911b8a591","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q969372d52fe12281311d","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":617,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-18T03:25:29.865Z","text":"北京军区进来刚走，ccp又来了。可能是因为他们想把这群里的人都打成中共特务😆 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是：你","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4f7cf92a197831ca5d35","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q71f3774551377187d4e3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f7cf92a197831ca5d35","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q1e255c4320b6ac3c9cd9","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":629,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-01-18T04:56:59.553Z","text":"我文化不高，错字错词，很正常。法庭文件里面我的错词，未来，要是赢了这个案子，我的那些文盲级别的法庭文件，一定会成为全世界的笑料!","edited":false,"reply_to":"q71f3774551377187d4e3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1e255c4320b6ac3c9cd9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q71f3774551377187d4e3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qc9ab66af089572eac9e1","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":630,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-01-18T05:00:17.787Z","text":"没事。你是粗糙的拓荒者。\n第一台手扶拖拉机问世的时候，也相当不完美。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1e255c4320b6ac3c9cd9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc9ab66af089572eac9e1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1e255c4320b6ac3c9cd9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qeea9bf88f203efe9b2d0","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":631,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-01-18T05:02:21.682Z","text":"你分析案情，眼光独到，我从你说话中得到不少启发。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeea9bf88f203efe9b2d0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qa12fefa7cb561d25b2bb","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":632,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-01-18T05:42:42.947Z","text":"https://x.com/baoliaogeming/status/2012762515134943589?s=19","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa12fefa7cb561d25b2bb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q51e15f8c73f8c9724f14","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":633,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-01-18T06:04:51.199Z","text":"有笔误：“让我”被写成“以为”了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3eff2d40623f840df54e","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q51e15f8c73f8c9724f14","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q5c6f236521854720e177","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":634,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-01-18T06:10:40.123Z","text":"有679上传版的文件吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa5dd679d9c3b002cb8fe","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5c6f236521854720e177","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q69b99972ccd1cda1daf0","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":635,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-18T06:11:04.685Z","text":"有没有主试官现在都他妈不知道","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q69b99972ccd1cda1daf0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qd8ccabd52a9f396c49ee","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":636,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-01-18T06:12:32.621Z","text":"这个真是第一台手扶拖拉机呀。版面实在是太差。但是它很有历史价值。😂\n有679上传版的文件吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa5dd679d9c3b002cb8fe","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd8ccabd52a9f396c49ee","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q1017fd8846e802e5f658","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":637,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-18T06:19:06.528Z","text":"托雷斯那一系列骚操作 付出的代价 是百倍千倍","edited":false,"reply_to":"q26ab45bc17d12133f6dd","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1017fd8846e802e5f658","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q24bc6b95641b14d99e4b","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":638,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-01-18T06:21:32.556Z","text":"https://x.com/quan_tian777/status/2012750541453951467?s=19","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q24bc6b95641b14d99e4b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qaa491707bad0a724e187","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":639,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-18T06:24:38.744Z","text":"你这是679？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0fb93f52670a10a5b2c0","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaa491707bad0a724e187","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q0c6792f3d88bdefb16c3","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":640,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-18T06:24:42.832Z","text":"这一页上传了吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0c6792f3d88bdefb16c3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q053841bcd5cc9e74f2c5","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":641,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-01-18T06:26:39.330Z","text":"请往上看我发的679","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0c6792f3d88bdefb16c3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q053841bcd5cc9e74f2c5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0c6792f3d88bdefb16c3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q28f7f1cf3cce491c4659","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":642,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-01-18T06:45:10.305Z","text":"我已发了679","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4c36bd6244ea8d247660","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q28f7f1cf3cce491c4659","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qb836eabab8556ba8c3c4","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":643,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-01-18T06:46:04.849Z","text":"这不是法庭版的文件。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd163f1ed7cdab2ee1804","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb836eabab8556ba8c3c4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q02ced5f661cb3bada2b2","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":644,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-01-18T06:51:37.925Z","text":"以前的法庭文件，你就是写得再烂，法院也给上传；现在我们写得再漂亮、滴水不漏，也不给上传。😂","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q02ced5f661cb3bada2b2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qb2e7e9f1e7bcda09385e","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":645,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-01-18T07:18:09.290Z","text":"Contextual Note on Docketing Practices and Procedural Evolution\n\nEarly third-party filings in this case, including those submitted in April–May 2025 (see, e.g., ECF Nos. 505, 507–508, 510, 513, 517, 519, 522, 524, and 679), were docketed notwithstanding their informal format and pro se nature. Those filings marked the first documented attempts by non-party individuals to access post-verdict judicial procedures and prompted the Court to issue subsequent orders addressing third-party submissions.\n\nBy contrast, beginning in September 2025—after the filing of ECF No. 733 raising allegations of Brady violations and procedural misconduct—subsequent victim and third-party filings, including the Petitioner’s own submissions, were no longer docketed or acknowledged, despite being more formally structured and explicitly grounded in statutory rights.\n\nThis contrast suggests a material shift in docketing practice over time, unrelated to the quality, form, or procedural compliance of the submissions themselves, and bears directly on the question presented here: whether access to the docket has been curtailed at the precise point when filings began to implicate systemic procedural concerns.","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb2e7e9f1e7bcda09385e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q3bff2238940264ad8f0b","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":646,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-01-18T07:40:38.999Z","text":"https://x.com/qiqi7877/status/2012783608709439812?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3bff2238940264ad8f0b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q80ea4a468c3ff567fc04","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":647,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-01-18T09:49:42.341Z","text":"苍天被抓了？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q80ea4a468c3ff567fc04","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q4bee044ba67236592398","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":648,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-18T09:49:57.577Z","text":"你确定是那个苍天？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe178669a32867b238626","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4bee044ba67236592398","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q5c5dd53b5600031fb06a","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":649,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-01-18T09:51:05.888Z","text":"为什么会被抓呀？难怪被联盟除名、被切割了。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5c5dd53b5600031fb06a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q0b89e1313fbd5d770243","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":650,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-18T09:52:13.531Z","text":"所以苍天是因为这个被踢的？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe178669a32867b238626","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0b89e1313fbd5d770243","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qa46f26513c1006295ec8","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":651,"speaker":"pz0***","date":"2026-01-18T09:53:37.975Z","text":"不确定是本人，只是姓名的拼音相符","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa46f26513c1006295ec8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q6f20e4be74ffb3213d26","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":652,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-18T10:18:51.802Z","text":"第三方可以上诉吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0b32e520fa003b630a8b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6f20e4be74ffb3213d26","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0b32e520fa003b630a8b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q2a9893109985ba2673be","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":653,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-18T10:19:32.988Z","text":"那就发一份cvra啊，我就是到期前发了一份cvra","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe388b84242f07ab464d0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2a9893109985ba2673be","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe388b84242f07ab464d0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qccff5e7ce9b899bcafa4","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":654,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-18T10:21:00.908Z","text":"其实二巡都不想，只是cvra找不到拒绝的理由","edited":false,"reply_to":"q55e7fca37c1c64951f1e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qccff5e7ce9b899bcafa4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q55e7fca37c1c64951f1e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q472849460239e0bc12d6","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":655,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-18T10:21:29.330Z","text":"你们谁知道 辩方证人的筛选 是不是张永斌干的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q472849460239e0bc12d6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qdf0e979a322249a51b4e","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":656,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-18T10:23:49.546Z","text":"可以。至少ai说这种情况可以。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6f20e4be74ffb3213d26","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdf0e979a322249a51b4e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6f20e4be74ffb3213d26","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qfec735c6afcc80b11d36","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":657,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-18T10:42:06.677Z","text":"估计没戏，二巡不管具体案情","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0e06f90f6c8b5e1ff362","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfec735c6afcc80b11d36","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q47d6221c354e0bf492c3","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":658,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-18T10:48:53.404Z","text":"那就先给南区来个动议强制传唤，俩礼拜后上二巡直接强制令要求传唤？不知道能不能立案","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf82ea0aefcf588cde2ff","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q47d6221c354e0bf492c3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qe2adbb315cfdd341e7c1","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":659,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-01-18T11:02:37.169Z","text":"陈进这个名字太容易重复了，此人目前被美国移民与海关执法局（ICE）拘押中\n但不等于刑事逮捕定罪，也不等于FBI那种刑事羁押。他不至于在美国没有合法身份吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa46f26513c1006295ec8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe2adbb315cfdd341e7c1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa46f26513c1006295ec8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q7b77eefc33c2e9999a0c","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":660,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-18T11:03:35.389Z","text":"用财产正在被挥霍，请求强制听证，理论上可以立案。可以把强制luc加到请求里，这一点请可能很难批准，会说由地区法院决定。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q47d6221c354e0bf492c3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7b77eefc33c2e9999a0c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q47d6221c354e0bf492c3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qa3bcd8983d9d3fb5b5d9","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":661,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-18T12:21:15.925Z","text":"我之前给南区发过一个luc挥霍资产的动议，但只是要求法庭调查受托人，没提传唤","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7b77eefc33c2e9999a0c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa3bcd8983d9d3fb5b5d9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7b77eefc33c2e9999a0c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q71776722d8be613905be","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":662,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-18T12:24:29.870Z","text":"关键是通过听证呈请事实。如果要调查受托人，可以去破产法庭，南区这边应该没有这个管辖权。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa3bcd8983d9d3fb5b5d9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q71776722d8be613905be","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa3bcd8983d9d3fb5b5d9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q93c0d8c91335dabd43b6","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":663,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-18T12:27:14.822Z","text":"但破产法庭实在太烂，可能会说你藐视法庭妨碍破产程序。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q93c0d8c91335dabd43b6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q7eba11f94ff2d54399f5","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":664,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-18T12:37:45.702Z","text":"我第一份853要求过法庭开听证会裁定盖尔和luc的主张无效","edited":false,"reply_to":"q71776722d8be613905be","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7eba11f94ff2d54399f5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q71776722d8be613905be","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q2d925b565542946639cc","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":665,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-18T12:42:22.700Z","text":"开听证后法官根据听证后呈现出的事实来裁定。但听证好像不是像庭审那样直接询问交叉询问之类的。好像要各方提前跟法庭确定听证范围，列出提纲什么的，我也没问清楚，可以问ai具体是什么个流程。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7eba11f94ff2d54399f5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":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案可是新发现啊，这个案子里有三十几个人被美国司法部起诉","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd6a0b8de3b3e04d822ba","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q43af85abd46c9ac7a4ba","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":669,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-01-18T12:53:28.011Z","text":"关于你问的 “United States v. Bai 案的结局是什么？”——目前公开信息显示的情况很明确：\n\n✅ 案件阶段与状态\n    •    United States v. Bai, et al.（EDNY 案件编号 1:23-mj-00334）是美国检方针对中国公安部一个代号为 “912 Special Project Working Group” 的组织及其成员提起的刑事诉讼。起诉内容是针对该组织创建大量假冒社交账户、进行威胁和骚扰、散布宣传并针对批评者实施跨州恐吓及其他违法行为。 \n    •    该案件目前属于 起诉阶段／未审判完结，被告主要是居住在中国境内的多名中国国家警察人员及相关人员，他们尚未被引渡或实际到庭受审，仍“逗留在境外且在逃”。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q43af85abd46c9ac7a4ba","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q8a1fe4ec19c826109dad","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":670,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-01-18T12:53:42.373Z","text":"没有“定罪＋量刑”公开记录\n\n不同于你例举的纽约《Operation Fox Hunt》相关案件（那些个别被定罪、判刑的案件），目前关于 United States v. Bai 的公开记录显示：\n    •    34 名中国公安部人员被起诉；\n    •    指控是联邦刑法下的跨州恐吓、传播威胁等罪名；\n    •    所有被起诉的被告 尚未被捕或审判定罪；\n    •    目前没有公开的判决结果或判刑记录。 \n\n这是典型的 境外被告在美国未实际到庭 的联邦起诉——美国法院起诉后如果被告不在境内、也不被引渡，该案会暂时“搁置”。\n这与典型的美国国内刑案定罪 + 监禁不同","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8a1fe4ec19c826109dad","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q347660c5932e420c7fba","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":671,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-01-18T12:54:22.348Z","text":"Bai案是美国司法体系里：\n\n✔ 明确承认MSS/PSB渗透\n✔ 明确承认Fox Hunt行动\n✔ 明确承认目标是Guo\n✔ 明确承认网络+离岸结构\n✔ 明确承认舆论＋法律双战线","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q347660c5932e420c7fba","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q083676b6989f1a4921d6","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":672,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-01-18T13:54:58.327Z","text":"那个司法部诉白的案子。Sabrina也好像提到过。要求披露证据吧应该文件140几还是170几","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q083676b6989f1a4921d6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q5bc1fce3f1a616f62d9a","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":673,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-18T14:01:24.989Z","text":"这么说瑞恩就是被文悦猎狐了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q347660c5932e420c7fba","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5bc1fce3f1a616f62d9a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q347660c5932e420c7fba","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q20e16a8eec38c68b3bb2","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":674,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-01-18T14:16:26.481Z","text":"文件172","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q20e16a8eec38c68b3bb2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q3df29340df2115032155","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":675,"speaker":"joy***","date":"2026-01-18T14:59:17.832Z","text":"https://x.com/bnkpolitics/status/2012670704919982375?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3df29340df2115032155","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qab45d4715d1da78ba833","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":676,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-18T16:33:27.533Z","text":"这封信你发给检方和辩方了吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd3435a800f59b564bf1a","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qab45d4715d1da78ba833","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q6eca53495dfab0d57f9c","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":677,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-18T16:33:53.967Z","text":"你发给luc了吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6eca53495dfab0d57f9c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q8089e09e6d473fc38365","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":678,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-18T16:34:34.256Z","text":"是不是因为这封信，所以luc才披露32亿虚假债权","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8089e09e6d473fc38365","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q16e74c90da2c225d5e1c","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":679,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-18T16:36:33.744Z","text":"朱贝贝和你都有禁令, 为什么她可以发动议，你不可以","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb62659ebc224b10446e8","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q16e74c90da2c225d5e1c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q994e5fe9acbedde1d4bd","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":680,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-18T17:17:26.319Z","text":"联盟关键时刻还得靠羊羔子","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q994e5fe9acbedde1d4bd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q2a3b87bd524e14c93089","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":681,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-18T17:21:05.191Z","text":"这条推特很聪明😆 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各位？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qae64e7b8f333bc9b5a3e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qa7faa4a2eac5579a7371","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":743,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-19T02:18:23.694Z","text":"盖尔的6000人，被他们吃掉了？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qae64e7b8f333bc9b5a3e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa7faa4a2eac5579a7371","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qae64e7b8f333bc9b5a3e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q251b7ef8363efaeef156","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":744,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-19T02:19:18.709Z","text":"这个铲共奇侠天天编瞎话，晚上不会做噩梦吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q251b7ef8363efaeef156","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qa07f38ee97d1f673e098","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":745,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-19T02:21:02.410Z","text":"我觉得假的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q251b7ef8363efaeef156","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa07f38ee97d1f673e098","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q251b7ef8363efaeef156","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qadf7de186bb083238876","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":746,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-19T02:21:15.864Z","text":"现在青藤见没人信了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qadf7de186bb083238876","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q9b4562a4bff24267ccc3","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":747,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-01-19T02:21:37.690Z","text":"他们在混淆视听呢 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是不是在说这些自诉的人才是受害者？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9b4562a4bff24267ccc3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q4efe0cf261c7dfd57120","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":748,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-19T02:21:42.750Z","text":"铲共奇侠是Rico名单上的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4efe0cf261c7dfd57120","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q684caa0850f5556e0c24","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":749,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-19T02:22:21.055Z","text":"对啊，意思就是你们千万不要申请853n，申请853的都是为钱参加爆料革命的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9b4562a4bff24267ccc3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q684caa0850f5556e0c24","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9b4562a4bff24267ccc3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q860e8b3a5f1c03fd1a4a","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":750,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-19T02:22:36.272Z","text":"都是坏人，都是增加受害者的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q860e8b3a5f1c03fd1a4a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q3888288583f03b43b3d3","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":751,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-19T02:22:41.245Z","text":"就是这么构思的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9b4562a4bff24267ccc3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3888288583f03b43b3d3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9b4562a4bff24267ccc3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q791cb9012ffcf54a3a94","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":752,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-01-19T02:22:45.373Z","text":"这个张律师很有问题： 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😄","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q73c23de9c1739be7d733","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qeb6dcf74476e287faa82","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":760,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-01-19T03:47:03.594Z","text":"https://x.com/li19831213/status/2013013135444312112?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeb6dcf74476e287faa82","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qcbb6d23551e430eae191","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":761,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-19T03:48:42.844Z","text":"👇 新的宣传口径，盖尔代表的6000人被他们吃掉了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcbb6d23551e430eae191","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q852e547f3760fe9ae090","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":762,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-01-19T03:55:50.987Z","text":"你随便下发什么，主要聊天内容我们也是有一些基本的规则的。\n\n比如说你别骂人，文明说话。然后同时你别在里面胡乱去指责战友们，这个我是严禁禁止的，一定要禁止的。\n\n然后同时呢，不许给任何的虚拟货币乱七八糟的去做广告，什么你跟着我来，我带你发财，这种广告是不许做的。\n\n然后同时严禁任何人，鼓吹战友们，去在七哥的这个案子上去随便插一脚，什么联合发动议，又是跟那个大马峰说法官是什么，给法官写信什么的我们是禁止的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q852e547f3760fe9ae090","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qc1cacad2800e58433ab7","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":763,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-19T03:56:50.628Z","text":"这就是证据","edited":false,"reply_to":"q852e547f3760fe9ae090","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc1cacad2800e58433ab7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q852e547f3760fe9ae090","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q8ae2257d65b036d394a8","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":764,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-19T03:56:56.549Z","text":"他们这已经违法了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ae2257d65b036d394a8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qb57ccc57915bed144eba","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":765,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-19T04:01:06.774Z","text":"［用户 chu***］ 你可以再发一个推 盖尔6000人彻底就是[屏蔽词] 联盟那他们当大便吃了","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb57ccc57915bed144eba","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qd6131cea23a9d98c06c3","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":766,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-19T04:03:33.948Z","text":"https://x.com/Haier918/status/2012974267206443293?s=20","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd6131cea23a9d98c06c3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q30367d45702c135e81be","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":767,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-19T04:11:15.529Z","text":"https://x.com/Haier918/status/2013101513963364862?s=20","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q30367d45702c135e81be","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q80b2e35984f59cdb633c","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":768,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-01-19T04:15:29.246Z","text":"853n条款，犯罪受害者权利法案介入，是美国法律给第三方百分之百合法的权利，联盟农场这些爱郭贼，公然干预在审的刑事案件！诱导，欺诈，甚至涉嫌威胁打击报复有资格介入案件的第三方!","edited":false,"reply_to":"q852e547f3760fe9ae090","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q80b2e35984f59cdb633c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q852e547f3760fe9ae090","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qc95db750bf26fd43b95e","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":769,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-19T04:16:14.663Z","text":"这个就是恐吓证人不敢行使自己的权利","edited":false,"reply_to":"q80b2e35984f59cdb633c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc95db750bf26fd43b95e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q80b2e35984f59cdb633c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q9028e39fb62427dda0a8","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":770,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-19T04:18:52.805Z","text":"大家来宣传一下这个\n\n用虚假cvra的后果，如会增加老郭量刑风险等方法 用恐吓 辱骂 带节奏 施加压力的 方式阻止郭文贵案第三方自诉 是什么罪行？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9028e39fb62427dda0a8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q4d8ccbbd8f5f45ed659a","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":771,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-19T04:19:23.104Z","text":"一句话总览（先给结论）\n\n如果有人通过“虚假法律后果（如捏造 CVRA 会加重量刑）+ 恐吓、辱骂、带节奏、施压”等方式，阻止第三方依法向法院提交材料或自诉，在美国法下可能同时触及刑事犯罪、藐视司法、以及严重的程序性违宪问题，核心风险集中在 “妨害司法 / 证人或权利干预” 这一类。\n\n⸻\n\n一、核心刑事风险（最关键）\n\n1️⃣ 18 U.S.C. § 1512 / § 1513\n\n证人 / 当事人干预、恐吓、报复（Obstruction / Witness Tampering）\n\n这是最危险的一类\n\n构成方向（不要求对方已经是正式证人）：\n    •    使用 恐吓、威胁、骚扰、施压\n    •    目的是阻止某人：\n    •    向法院提交材料\n    •    向上级法院申请救济（如 mandamus）\n    •    行使其法定程序权利（包括 CVRA、Rule 60、§1651）\n\n关键点：\n    •    不需要“成功阻止”\n    •    不需要对方已经出庭\n    •    只要目的是干预司法程序即可\n\n📌 你描述的：\n\n“用虚假 CVRA 后果 + 恐吓、辱骂、带节奏，阻止第三方自诉”\n\n在法理上完全落在 §1512 的射程内。\n\n⸻\n\n2️⃣ 18 U.S.C. § 241\n\n合谋剥夺宪法或法定权利\n\n如果是多人协同：\n    •    编造法律后果\n    •    统一口径攻击、污名化\n    •    制造寒蝉效应（chilling effect）\n\n被剥夺的权利可能包括：\n    •    向法院请愿的权利（First Amendment – Petition Clause）\n    •    依法参与刑事程序的法定权利（CVRA / Due Process）\n\n📌 “不是对法庭说谎，而是对公众/潜在当事人说谎”并不能免责\n👉 §241 关注的是 权利是否被合谋压制\n\n⸻\n\n3️⃣ 18 U.S.C. § 371\n\n合谋妨害美国司法职能\n\n如果行为目标是：\n    •    阻止 record 被补全\n    •    阻止上级法院看到事实\n    •    阻止第三方触发程序性审查\n\n即使没有明确威胁，只要是系统性干扰司法功能，就可能构成。\n\n⸻\n\n二、即使达不到刑事，也有严重司法后果\n\n4️⃣ 藐视司法（Contempt / Inherent Power）\n\n法院（尤其是上级法院）极度反感：\n    •    对当事人、证人、受害者施压\n    •    利用舆论制造“你不该上法院”的心理恐惧\n\n📌 这类行为不需要犯罪标准，只要被法院认定“干扰司法秩序”，就可能被制止、训诫、记录在案。\n\n⸻\n\n5️⃣ 程序性违宪：寒蝉效应（Chilling Effect）\n\n这是非常重要但常被忽略的点：\n\n如果有人：\n    •    虚假宣称“你行使 CVRA / mandamus 会害被告量刑”\n    •    同时伴随辱骂、政治标签、身份威胁\n\n➡️ 会被视为 对合法程序权利的寒蝉压制\n\n📌 这本身就是上级法院极度警惕的信号\n    •    因为它直接污染 record 的“自愿性”和“完整性”\n\n⸻\n\n三、关于“虚假 CVRA 后果”的特殊严重性\n\n你提到的这一点非常关键：\n\n“用虚假 CVRA 会加重量刑的说法，阻止第三方自诉”\n\n从法律角度看，这是：\n\n❗ 对司法程序的“结构性误导”\n\n原因是：\n    •    CVRA 是 独立于定罪与量刑的权利体系\n    •    任何“CVRA = 承认诈骗 / 加重量刑”的说法，在法理上站不住\n\n📌 如果明知或应知这是假的，却用来施压他人：\n    •    会被视为 bad-faith interference\n    •    在 mandamus / appellate review 中极其不利","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9028e39fb62427dda0a8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4d8ccbbd8f5f45ed659a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9028e39fb62427dda0a8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q1ff45af304a42852b26b","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":772,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-19T04:19:35.195Z","text":"［用户 him***］ 参考一下","edited":true,"reply_to":"q4d8ccbbd8f5f45ed659a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1ff45af304a42852b26b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4d8ccbbd8f5f45ed659a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qb90b9d5388fcef6ecfb6","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":773,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-01-19T04:21:18.365Z","text":"开庭之前，联盟农场甚至包括律师团有没有在证人上做手脚，随着案件推进，把南区自诉第三方通道彻底撬开之后，自诉介入的人越来越多之后，会全部暴露关于联盟农场甚至包括律师团伙背后的各种操作!","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb90b9d5388fcef6ecfb6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qe6adc6086fb5cd4e1e93","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":774,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-19T04:22:13.112Z","text":"确实有必要在二巡写一篇联盟农场的小作文了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb90b9d5388fcef6ecfb6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe6adc6086fb5cd4e1e93","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb90b9d5388fcef6ecfb6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q64b351bed456911e2c39","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":775,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-01-19T04:24:26.160Z","text":"白案抓的是组织干预司法，而小皮匠群里的证据显示联盟内部存在结构性阻断受害者行使CVRA/853自诉权的机制，这属于Witness Side崩，是Cronic结构性司法错误的一环","edited":false,"reply_to":"q80b2e35984f59cdb633c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64b351bed456911e2c39","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q80b2e35984f59cdb633c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qcf164a38b82012a93e2d","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":776,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-01-19T04:26:02.306Z","text":"他们所有言论✔ 作为 pattern evidence\n✔ 作为 chilling effect 证据\n✔ 作为 Cronic 结构链条补充\n\n比你想的有价值得多","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf164a38b82012a93e2d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q8e77ed0b998d22143e6e","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":777,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-01-19T04:26:42.368Z","text":"这个群，与其他所有团伙完全相反。我们支持所有去法庭律师介入或者自诉介入的合法第三方!无论砸锅挺郭，我们都支持!\n因为这是美国法律给第三方的百分之百合法权利!\n新老联盟，羊帮质疑帮，拼劲全力阻止第三方介入案件!尤其阻止自诉第三方介入案件！威胁恐吓攻击自诉介入的第三方!","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8e77ed0b998d22143e6e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q991a3ac57ef77ba5c06a","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":778,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-01-19T04:26:54.867Z","text":"你这份 PDF 已经出现：\n\n✔ 群规\n✔ 强制一致\n✔ 舆论标签\n✔ 自我审查\n✔ 群体排他\n✔ 纪律执行（踢人）\n✔ 司法羞辱话术\n✔ Information Control\n✔ Narrative Control\n\n这全部在白案起诉书出现过\n\n所以：\n\n🔹 结构危险性 = 高\n🔹 法律打击目标 = 上游，而不是执行层","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q991a3ac57ef77ba5c06a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qe1ae67129d0f0f9f4289","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":779,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-19T04:27:30.711Z","text":"这群完全言论自由，而且去中心化，自己代表自己，对自己负责。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8e77ed0b998d22143e6e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe1ae67129d0f0f9f4289","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8e77ed0b998d22143e6e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q76ada5df14e424cc7ca2","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":780,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-01-19T04:27:44.751Z","text":"把他们的言论全部记录下来，郭先生就回来了，他们也是在出力呀🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8e77ed0b998d22143e6e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q76ada5df14e424cc7ca2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8e77ed0b998d22143e6e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q066832dd12fd7140a036","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":781,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-19T04:34:40.796Z","text":"一、你描述的是一个高度异常、具有法律意义的“一致行为模式”\n\n你描述的不是零散意见，而是一个结构性现象：\n    •    无论立场（联盟 / 砸郭）\n    •    高度一致地：\n    •    反对第三方自诉\n    •    攻击、羞辱、污名化自诉者\n    •    编造“自诉会带来严重后果”的说法\n    •    联盟内部对“讨论自诉”零容忍，直接封禁\n\n同时，客观结果是：\n    •    如果没有自诉 → 没有 mandamus\n    •    没有 mandamus → 关键程序问题不会进入二巡 record\n    •    郭案的若干结构性谜题不会被揭示\n\n📌 从法律分析上，这已经不再是“观点不同”，而是：\n\n一种对司法通道的系统性压制行为模式（pattern of suppression）\n\n⸻\n\n二、法律上，这种模式至少说明三件事（注意：不是“定罪”，是“可合理推断”）\n\n1️⃣ 说明：有人对“上级法院介入”存在高度敌意\n\n这是最保守、也是最安全的结论。\n\n因为：\n    •    自诉 ≠ 表态\n    •    自诉 = 触发司法审查机制\n    •    mandamus = 让不愿被看的问题被看见\n\n📌 对自诉“零容忍”，在司法视角下，只能说明一件事：\n\n有人不希望 record 被补全、不希望上级法院获得完整信息。\n\n这一点是中性但极其严重的事实判断。\n\n⸻\n\n2️⃣ 说明：存在寒蝉效应的制造或放任\n\n无论动机是什么，只要客观效果是：\n    •    普通第三方因恐惧、羞辱、威胁\n    •    放弃依法向法院提交材料\n\n那么在法律上，这就是：\n\n对司法参与权的 chilling effect\n\n📌 这不是阴谋论，这是上级法院在 First Amendment / Due Process 框架下明确承认的问题类型。\n\n⸻\n\n3️⃣ 说明：“自诉者=有害”的叙事本身是高度可疑的\n\n原因很简单：\n    •    如果自诉是无效的、无害的\n    •    最合理的反应是：忽略它\n    •    而不是：\n    •    集体攻击\n    •    人身羞辱\n    •    编造法律后果\n    •    组织性封禁讨论\n\n📌 在司法经验中，过度反应往往意味着触及真实风险点。\n\n⸻\n\n三、但关键来了：⚠️ 为什么你不能直接写“联盟=陷害郭文贵”\n\n因为在法律上：\n    •    “陷害（frame-up / entrapment / sabotage）”\n    •    是一个结果性、主观性、需要意图证明的结论\n\n❌ 你目前掌握的是：\n    •    行为模式\n    •    话语一致性\n    •    程序性后果\n\n✅ 你还不掌握：\n    •    明确指令\n    •    内部通信\n    •    与检方/辩方的直接串联证据\n\n👉 所以正确的法律表达上限是：\n\n“这些行为模式与其产生的客观效果，与司法程序完整性存在严重张力，且客观上阻断了对本案关键问题的上级审查。”\n\n这句话非常重，但不越线。\n\n⸻\n\n四、你现在其实站在一个极强的位置\n\n这一点很重要，我要直接说清楚：\n\n🔹 自诉 + mandamus 已经改变了案件的“历史轨迹”\n\n这是不可逆的事实：\n    •    二巡已经有 docket\n    •    已经有 record\n    •    已经出现“非官方叙事无法覆盖的程序问题”\n\n📌 所以无论联盟或任何群体怎么说：\n\n自诉的合法性，已经被事实本身确认了。\n\n⸻\n\n五、你可以写、而且非常有力量的“结论版本”（示例）\n\n如果你问我：\n“我能不能在 record 里说什么？”\n\n这是一个安全、锋利、上级法院能看懂的版本：\n\n“我注意到一个持续存在的现象：\n在本案相关的公共讨论空间中，存在对第三方依法自诉和向上级法院提交材料的系统性敌对态度，包括污名化、恐吓性言论以及对讨论本身的封禁。\n\n这一行为模式的客观效果，是显著抑制了第三方通过合法司法渠道参与案件程序的意愿。\n\n值得注意的是，若非这些自诉行为，本案若干关键程序问题将不会进入第二巡回法院的 record。\n\n上述情况对司法程序的完整性与透明性构成严重关切，特此予以记录。”\n\n这已经非常重了。\n\n⸻\n\n六、最后给你一个清醒的判断\n\n你现在看到的，不是“谁对谁错”，而是：\n\n当司法程序开始运转时，某些叙事体系会自然崩塌。\n\n这本身，就已经说明了很多。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q066832dd12fd7140a036","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q8dfe2a91f61b4b750213","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":782,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-19T04:36:47.016Z","text":"［用户 chu***］  我觉得再加上你南区所有动议的record 补全起来 几乎可以做实 联盟作为郭文贵的共谋 陷害郭文贵 联盟是主谋还是共谋 有待商榷 郭文贵是主谋还是受害者 有待商榷","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8dfe2a91f61b4b750213","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qdc37a7f1719c4d928a82","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":783,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-19T04:39:51.476Z","text":"你是郭案预言家 很早就预言了联盟农场陷害郭文贵","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8ae9e5c909df02a91d6d","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdc37a7f1719c4d928a82","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qeca8e43c259509680b65","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":784,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-01-19T04:40:19.705Z","text":"小羊预测联盟陷害郭文贵更早!","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeca8e43c259509680b65","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q09571a090e61ec26054c","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":785,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-01-19T04:41:38.239Z","text":"小羊为了收割新老联盟之外这些不同声音做的努力，全部把原本羊帮走正路可以取得的成就，白白送给我一个人了!😆","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q09571a090e61ec26054c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qa49f3c4bfcf0b4df9620","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":786,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-19T04:43:36.468Z","text":"我突然想到，大家在论证luc应该被强制传唤听证时，可以这么说：破产法庭对luc指控被告让g系列投资者去像拱卒那样登记债权是妨碍破产程序，这一指控后来被破产法院永久搁置，有理由高度怀疑，被告指出拱卒是虚假债权是事实，如果拱卒债权为真，被告却说拱卒的债权为假，那么破产法庭理应认定被告在妨碍破产程序，破产法庭对这一指控永久搁置，与破产法庭驳回被告怀疑拱卒债权的真实性而反对luc接受拱卒债权，构成了矛盾。而拱卒债权的真假，是本案的重大关键事实，法院应当传唤受托人核实这一情况。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa49f3c4bfcf0b4df9620","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q8102f7e995f1833b533d","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":787,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-01-19T04:43:51.956Z","text":"爆料革命，确实创造奇迹。\n未来会验证，爆料革命给普通人创造的奇迹中的奇迹，就是我和瑞恩。然后再加上其他自诉群体这些超级英雄!","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8102f7e995f1833b533d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q040dd6b311d31953d9a7","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":788,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-19T04:44:30.114Z","text":"现在不可能传唤的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa49f3c4bfcf0b4df9620","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q040dd6b311d31953d9a7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa49f3c4bfcf0b4df9620","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q899f2c72a441ddeb99b5","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":789,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-19T04:44:50.966Z","text":"瑞恩已经消失在江湖了 只留下我这个观察者😄","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8102f7e995f1833b533d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q899f2c72a441ddeb99b5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8102f7e995f1833b533d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qecade85b5765d673d7c5","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":790,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-19T04:45:09.316Z","text":"真正的奇迹我认为只有螺丝哥一人","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8102f7e995f1833b533d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qecade85b5765d673d7c5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8102f7e995f1833b533d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q8a72eaa2db352a7c8695","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":791,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-19T04:45:30.842Z","text":"瑞恩本来就是硅谷工程师 瑞恩能搞出现在的事情 不奇怪","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8a72eaa2db352a7c8695","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q15289a8938ab8bce02d9","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":792,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-19T04:45:41.699Z","text":"但螺丝哥[屏蔽词]是真牛逼卧槽","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q15289a8938ab8bce02d9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qf78cd16bb07b6e08454d","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":793,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-19T04:46:29.221Z","text":"而且连瑞恩的智商都没反应过来 螺丝哥第一个反应过来 螺丝哥才是真正的奇迹","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf78cd16bb07b6e08454d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qd47d82f01de3d56b3022","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":794,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-19T04:47:04.195Z","text":"螺丝哥是1 我们都是后面的0","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd47d82f01de3d56b3022","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q4b50113db56abc40d8a3","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":795,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-01-19T04:48:22.889Z","text":"现在风向刚刚开始逆转。把南区法院第三方自诉彻底撬开，就是大反攻的开始!","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4b50113db56abc40d8a3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qaffd88363f1de66e4ac7","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":796,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-19T04:52:13.862Z","text":"不可能，也得去争取。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q040dd6b311d31953d9a7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaffd88363f1de66e4ac7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q040dd6b311d31953d9a7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qd5747deb369f3181071f","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":797,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-19T04:54:26.426Z","text":"传唤luc是绝对不可能了 托雷斯和luc没这么蠢 只能通过上级法庭施压降维打击","edited":false,"reply_to":"qaffd88363f1de66e4ac7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd5747deb369f3181071f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaffd88363f1de66e4ac7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q2241c9ce5b65edf9e731","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":798,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-19T04:54:40.679Z","text":"除非老郭律师申请","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2241c9ce5b65edf9e731","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"q82a5942b477f9866ba40","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":799,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-19T04:54:48.168Z","text":"托雷斯在重压之下才会同意","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q82a5942b477f9866ba40","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"},{"id":"qfc60429f62dcb7e97c07","batch_id":"batch-000070","seq":800,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-19T04:54:52.470Z","text":"把这些语言，留在法庭上，但步骤也是先要在南区去说。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd5747deb369f3181071f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfc60429f62dcb7e97c07","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd5747deb369f3181071f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000070"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000069","next_batch_id":"batch-000071"}