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说明第三方还没把脏活都干完","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q389abf766c5aebc0b680","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q904a123bd14202d456c1","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":33,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-19T19:45:20.069Z","text":"律师等着摘桃呢","edited":false,"reply_to":"q389abf766c5aebc0b680","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q904a123bd14202d456c1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q389abf766c5aebc0b680","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"qe04da7447b9e284dd107","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":34,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-19T19:45:29.368Z","text":"律师就是摘桃的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q904a123bd14202d456c1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe04da7447b9e284dd107","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q904a123bd14202d456c1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q994973436de60464a6f0","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":35,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-19T19:45:34.553Z","text":"量刑前翻案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q994973436de60464a6f0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q0c3aa313729ccf36f506","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":36,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-19T19:45:39.451Z","text":"律师只能摘桃","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0c3aa313729ccf36f506","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"qd8d46f57785063309d50","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":37,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-19T19:45:46.239Z","text":"这是在律师没有问题，没有被收买的情况下","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd8d46f57785063309d50","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q4a4705fd5fb37563e4fd","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":38,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-19T19:45:47.360Z","text":"律师是不可能去干脏活累活的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4a4705fd5fb37563e4fd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"qf885513724bcf7caa41e","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":39,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-19T19:46:08.791Z","text":"我觉得第三方把活都干完 律师再被收买 也不可能不翻案","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd8d46f57785063309d50","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf885513724bcf7caa41e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd8d46f57785063309d50","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q112f663848de26cc1e35","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":40,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-19T19:47:04.137Z","text":"什么时候联盟开始骂律师的时候，郭就要出来了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q112f663848de26cc1e35","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q8bdaac2116b4d9cff48d","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":41,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-01-19T20:26:59.894Z","text":"https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67012324/united-states-v-guo/","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8bdaac2116b4d9cff48d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q3930569857567e445635","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":42,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-01-19T20:27:44.435Z","text":"790 是什么？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3930569857567e445635","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q8a3c1f78032db6a87b32","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":43,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-19T20:37:53.612Z","text":"Letter motion,不会是我写的那封信吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8a3c1f78032db6a87b32","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"qdef6c5feeb48f8b32de3","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":44,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-19T20:38:25.185Z","text":"政府的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdef6c5feeb48f8b32de3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q5f2b48cf09ffee12882b","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":45,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-19T20:39:58.886Z","text":"我那个也不是动议","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f2b48cf09ffee12882b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"qf9663a6daabf6b0d6bb6","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":46,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-19T20:42:10.612Z","text":"2026 年 1 月 19 日\n事由： United States v. Miles Guo, S3 23 Cr. 118 (AT)\n尊敬的 Torres 法官：\n政府谨此提交本函件动议，恳请法院签发所附 附件 A 中的补充性初步没收令（拟稿）。该补充性初步没收令涉及与被告犯罪行为可追溯相关的额外特定财产，以及用于清洗该等犯罪所得的相关财产。被告郭文贵对“政府所寻求没收资产中其可能享有的任何个人权益不持立场。”（案卷 Dkt. 789）\n一、适用法律\nA. 勒索犯罪（RICO）没收\n《美国法典》第 18 编第 1963 条规定，地区法院在量刑时“必须命令”被告没收以下财产：\n被告因违反第 1962 条而取得或维持的任何权益；\n任何\n(A) 权益，\n(B) 证券，\n(C) 索赔权，或\n(D) 任何形式的财产或合同性权利，\n该等权利足以对勒索犯罪企业产生影响；以及\n任何构成、或源自被告直接或间接通过勒索犯罪活动或非法债务收取得到的收益之财产。\n18 U.S.C. § 1963(a)。\nB. 欺诈犯罪没收\n《美国法典》第 18 编第 981(a)(1)(C) 条规定，下列财产可被适用民事没收：\n“任何不动产或动产，只要其构成或来源于可追溯至任何构成‘特定非法活动’（见本编第 1956(c)(7) 条定义）的犯罪所得，或实施该等犯罪的共谋行为。”\n《美国法典》第 18 编第 1956(c)(7)(A) 条进一步规定，“特定非法活动”包括但不限于《美国法典》第 18 编第 1961(1) 条所列犯罪（不包括可依 31 U.S.C. §§ 5311 等条款起诉的行为）。\n因此，第 1961(1) 条所列的犯罪均属于“特定非法活动”。其中包括违反 18 U.S.C. § 1343（电信欺诈）以及证券销售欺诈——郭文贵即因该等犯罪被判有罪。\n此外，《美国法典》第 28 编第 2461(c) 条规定：若被告因某一犯罪被定罪，而该犯罪可引发民事没收，则法院应当在刑事量刑中一并命令没收。参见 United States v. Contorinis, 692 F.3d 136, 145 n.2 (第二巡回，2012)。\nC. 洗钱犯罪没收\n《美国法典》第 18 编第 982 条规定，法院在对违反第 1956 条（洗钱罪）定罪的被告量刑时，必须命令其向美国政府没收：\n“任何涉及该犯罪的财产（不动产或动产），或任何可追溯至该等财产的财产。”\n18 U.S.C. § 982(a)(1)。\n正如 Bianco 法官（临时指派至地区法院）所指出的：\n法院一贯认为，“涉及于（involved in）”一词应作广义解释，包括“任何参与、用于实施、或用于促进洗钱犯罪的财产”。\nUnited States v. Schlesinger, 396 F. Supp. 2d 267, 271–72 (E.D.N.Y. 2005)，经第二巡回法院确认，514 F.3d 277 (2008)。\n地区法院亦正确指出，第二巡回法院已确认：若财产充当非法交易所得的通道，即可作为“涉及于洗钱交易”的财产而被没收。\nUnited States v. Prevezon Holdings, Ltd., 251 F. Supp. 3d 684, 698 (S.D.N.Y. 2017)。\n参见 United States v. Kenner, 443 F. Supp. 3d 354, 364 (E.D.N.Y. 2020)（脚注略）。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf9663a6daabf6b0d6bb6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q8dcb74ef4025e48bf45c","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":47,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-19T20:42:21.514Z","text":"二、讨论\n法院应当签发拟议的第一份补充性初步没收令，并在最终没收令中纳入 G 企业 的犯罪所得及用于清洗该等所得的相关财产。\n具体而言，政府寻求没收以下资金：\n存放于 G Club Operations LLC（RICO 实体之一）名下银行账户中的资金；以及\n从被告共同被告 Kin Ming Je 及其妻子 Sin Ting Rong 名下多个银行账户中扣押的资金。\n上述资金均源自 G 企业的犯罪所得，系用于推进被告犯罪及其勒索犯罪企业的财产，并属于涉及洗钱的财产。\na. Banco Popular 银行中 G Club Operations LLC 的资金\n庭审中已查明，“G Club Operations LLC”系郭文贵设立的欺诈性会员俱乐部，亦构成其勒索犯罪企业的一部分。G Club 被用于推进勒索犯罪共谋，包括但不限于与其他勒索实体订立虚假贷款，以清洗犯罪所得。参见庭审记录 Tr. 3068, 3446, 3458；证物 GX Z-13；起诉书第 3(a)、14、18 段。\n因此，郭文贵在 G Club Operations LLC 及其资产中的权益，依法应依 18 U.S.C. §§ 981(a)(1)(C)、1963 及 28 U.S.C. § 2461(c) 予以没收。\nG Club Operations LLC 在波多黎各 Banco Popular 银行持有运营账户。约在 2023 年 10 月，Banco Popular 关闭该账户，并向 G Club Operations LLC 出具一张金额约 2,112,510.70 美元 的官方支票（支票号 103130500012442，日期为 2023 年 10 月 16 日）。\n约在 2024 年 12 月，负责 G Club 解散事务的独立管理人将该支票交付政府。政府现寻求没收该笔 2,112,510.70 美元，即此前存放于 Banco Popular、以 “G Club Operations LLC” 名义持有的资金。参见初步没收令 Dkt. 720 ¶ bb。\nb. 英国巴克莱银行（马恩岛）账户中的资金\n2024 年 10 月 29 日，政府取得搜查扣押令，扣押存放于英国巴克莱银行（马恩岛）两账户中的全部资金，该等账户登记在 Kin Ming Je 与 Sin Ting Rong 名下，合计约 2,112,510.70 美元。\n如特别探员 Zachary Effting 的扣押令宣誓书（附件 B，第 17–18 页）所述，该等资金源自 G 企业犯罪所得，且属于涉及洗钱的财产，依法应依 18 U.S.C. §§ 981(a)(1)(C)、982(a)(1) 及 28 U.S.C. § 2461(c) 没收。\nc. 英国巴克莱银行（泽西）账户中的资金\n2025 年 4 月 17 日，政府取得搜查扣押令，扣押存放于英国巴克莱银行（泽西）两项投资账户中的全部资金，该等账户登记在 Kin Ming Je 与 Sin Ting Rong 名下，合计约 2,437,677.01 美元。\n如特别探员 Zachary Effting 的扣押令宣誓书（附件 C，第 17–18 页）所述，该等资金同样源自 G 企业犯罪所得，并涉及洗钱活动，依法应予没收。\n结论\n基于上述理由，法院应当签发拟议的第一份补充性初步没收令。\n谨此呈上。\n谨致敬意，\nSEAN S. BUCKLEY\n美国政府代理律师\n依 28 U.S.C. § 515 授权\n纽约南区联邦检察官办公室\n签署：\nMicah F. Fergenson\nRyan B. Finkel\nJustin Horton\nJuliana N. Murray\n助理联邦检察官\n电话：(212) 637-2190 / 6612 / 2276 / 2314","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8dcb74ef4025e48bf45c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"qb30576f84b3b55e54e1c","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":48,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-19T20:53:34.853Z","text":"妈的检方根本没鸟789","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb30576f84b3b55e54e1c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q9cbeaf73a1f14daceab5","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":49,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-19T20:54:04.367Z","text":"只想要更多钱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9cbeaf73a1f14daceab5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q19d68a1a5dd62b09f151","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":50,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-19T20:54:09.653Z","text":"回应789需要时间","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb30576f84b3b55e54e1c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q19d68a1a5dd62b09f151","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb30576f84b3b55e54e1c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q48bc98ea5235bd6649b0","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":51,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-19T21:04:01.382Z","text":"开骂了，我让他谈谈788 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造谣，吓唬人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf8ea06590ed369a902a4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q58270f956cf4dc3f39cc","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":81,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-19T21:26:11.174Z","text":"这家伙死猪不怕开水烫了，\nhttps://x.com/testurheart/status/1939810016690835499?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q58270f956cf4dc3f39cc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"qee5ee618641a7bd7d7fb","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":82,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-19T21:26:21.393Z","text":"他绝对不是什么颠三倒四","edited":false,"reply_to":"q60d54c9cfb1ab19f1e02","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qee5ee618641a7bd7d7fb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q60d54c9cfb1ab19f1e02","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q7cd2c3d49ce24733c1f4","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":83,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-19T21:26:58.028Z","text":"他说CCP在加拿大成立公安部就是造谣","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7cd2c3d49ce24733c1f4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q1c542335ebfe07f55d81","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":84,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-19T21:27:12.524Z","text":"吓唬加拿大的战友吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1c542335ebfe07f55d81","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q906eca7fb4e538b98337","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":85,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-19T21:27:48.286Z","text":"他们现在就是维稳加吓唬人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q906eca7fb4e538b98337","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q15ddf2ebbdecf931f1c0","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":86,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-19T21:27:52.465Z","text":"是他想成立党支部吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q15ddf2ebbdecf931f1c0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q236545b005b82d1d7eb1","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":87,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-19T21:28:20.826Z","text":"他们怕战友造反，全部跑去法庭","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q236545b005b82d1d7eb1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"qe07d9dc596c868035238","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":88,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-19T21:28:38.390Z","text":"他想说的是 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这要多谢老郭律师科普","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4feef7055b2d710aec1a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q15268264a396e5b11a96","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":109,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-19T21:52:05.082Z","text":"所以853就是remission？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4feef7055b2d710aec1a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q15268264a396e5b11a96","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4feef7055b2d710aec1a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"qa2fc0f85cd1f2678d21c","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":110,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-19T21:52:18.106Z","text":"853i","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa2fc0f85cd1f2678d21c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q7ae3e6c41dfd060e6d0f","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":111,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-19T21:52:22.495Z","text":"不是853n不是","edited":false,"reply_to":"q15268264a396e5b11a96","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7ae3e6c41dfd060e6d0f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q15268264a396e5b11a96","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q75d00d262162f2ff8574","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":112,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-19T21:52:25.470Z","text":"哦哦","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q75d00d262162f2ff8574","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"qe796e6b6c6b99e00cab6","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":113,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-19T21:52:29.019Z","text":"涨姿势了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe796e6b6c6b99e00cab6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q8f07d356b1129ed74e6c","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":114,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-01-19T21:52:31.289Z","text":"那封信，你发一下啊？或者截取一部分，853条款那部分","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4f800ccdf61f3f1645f8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8f07d356b1129ed74e6c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f800ccdf61f3f1645f8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q4097e38efaf4bb83a9d6","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":115,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-19T21:52:31.570Z","text":"853i是","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4097e38efaf4bb83a9d6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q7cc7aa27172c8e11ad46","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":116,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-19T21:52:45.048Z","text":"我找找","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7cc7aa27172c8e11ad46","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"qe4deaca2079034434328","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":117,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-19T21:56:15.180Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息]","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe4deaca2079034434328","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q794fa869ad2b743f406d","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":118,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-19T21:56:25.226Z","text":"小羊一边用这个吸粉 一边打自诉","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q794fa869ad2b743f406d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q57ee807d768f05272ecf","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":119,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-19T21:59:15.799Z","text":"45页，太长了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q57ee807d768f05272ecf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q8fa69092de9e0c3a3b3b","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":120,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-19T21:59:22.484Z","text":"小羊本来是要夺权的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8fa69092de9e0c3a3b3b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"qe5fb12f5847661690983","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":121,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-19T21:59:49.806Z","text":"但被我们一搞 就算夺了权又有何用","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe5fb12f5847661690983","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q22552c84813090a18c46","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":122,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-19T22:00:14.356Z","text":"第二行写的就是853i","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q22552c84813090a18c46","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"qc20359f50553e2caa26b","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":123,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-19T22:00:20.822Z","text":"看到了吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc20359f50553e2caa26b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"qfa9e38b7e15a16dbd24b","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":124,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-19T22:06:15.076Z","text":"你问问是不是受害人","edited":false,"reply_to":"q22552c84813090a18c46","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfa9e38b7e15a16dbd24b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q22552c84813090a18c46","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q2a1880d2783d45e89159","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":125,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-19T22:06:19.336Z","text":"量刑能不能算受害人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2a1880d2783d45e89159","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q648846c31f20d10482ff","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":126,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-19T22:09:02.850Z","text":"机器人说, 只是853i申请是不够的，但是如果他还在法庭发过cvra动议，然后法庭认定了之后，才会被当作受害人","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfa9e38b7e15a16dbd24b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q648846c31f20d10482ff","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfa9e38b7e15a16dbd24b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"qba415e3712a9b030bff2","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":127,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-19T22:10:05.664Z","text":"联盟早就发过remission的公告","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qba415e3712a9b030bff2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"qb00f38dfe7c3da113b64","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":128,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-19T22:13:08.018Z","text":"［用户 him***］ 你问问机器人法官大概会不会把这些人纳入","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb00f38dfe7c3da113b64","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"qcac844645befb90ec5a3","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":129,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-19T22:14:30.285Z","text":"受害人还得法院定性才行，853i是没收完后才能用","edited":false,"reply_to":"q648846c31f20d10482ff","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcac844645befb90ec5a3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q648846c31f20d10482ff","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"qbff7a5cca295ddcefc9f","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":130,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-19T22:16:26.145Z","text":"简要结论：\n可以在量刑中被当作受害人——但前提仅来自此前的 CVRA 程序，而不是之后向司法部长提交的 § 853(i) 申请。\n后续的 § 853(i) 减免／返还申请既不会新增、扩大，也不会保留量刑阶段的受害人身份。\n一、核心原则\n量刑阶段的“受害人”身份，取决于法院是否已作出承认或认定，而不是后来是否向司法部长提交了行政申请。\nCVRA 动议：属于司法途径，可能确立受害人身份\n§ 853(i) 申请：属于行政途径，不能确立受害人身份\n后续的 § 853(i) 申请：\n不会抹除此前已经获得的司法承认\n也不会新增任何量刑受害人资格\n二、Greyer 先前提交 CVRA 动议 的法律效果\n如果 Greyer 之前代表这些人提交过 CVRA 动议：\n法院有管辖权审查其是否构成“犯罪受害人”\n若法院：\n明确批准、采信，或隐含接受（例如：量刑前调查报告 PSR 采纳、认定赔偿、给予受害人通知权），\n→ 这些人可以在量刑中被计为受害人\n予以驳回、拒绝审理，或从未裁定，\n→ 不存在自动的受害人身份\n关键在于：\nCVRA 身份是司法认定的；§ 853(i) 身份是行政处理的。\n三、后续 § 853(i) 申请不能产生的效果\n§ 853(i) 减免／返还申请：\n❌ 不能创设受害人身份\n❌ 不能在此前未被承认的情况下“补救”CVRA 缺陷\n❌ 不能对法院或 PSR 产生约束\n❌ 不能增加受害人人数\n❌ 不能影响量刑指南中的受害人计算\n在量刑法律意义上，与之无关。\n四、政府是否仍可在表述上称其为“受害人”？\n可以，但效力有限。\n政府可能在：\n量刑备忘录\n没收或返还叙事\n减免决定说明\n中将其描述为“受害人”\n但法院仍必须独立认定：\n是否存在直接且近因的损害\n是否与定罪罪名存在法律上的因果联系\n若无该等司法认定，不得用于：\n量刑指南中的受害人人数加重\n强制性赔偿（restoration / restitution）\nCVRA 在量刑阶段的权利行使\n五、几种实际情形对照\n情形 A —— 先前 CVRA 获得承认\n法院采纳 PSR 中的受害人名单\n或批准 CVRA 请求／判定赔偿\n➡ 可在量刑中计为受害人\n情形 B —— 提交过 CVRA，但未获承认或未裁定\n➡ 不应计为受害人，与是否提交 § 853(i) 无关\n情形 C —— 仅有 § 853(i)，无 CVRA\n➡ 不能计为量刑受害人\n六、结论（精确表述）\nGreyer 所代表的人是否可在量刑中被当作受害人，取决于法院此前是否通过 CVRA 或赔偿程序对其受害人身份作出司法认定。\n随后向司法部长提交的 § 853(i) 减免／返还申请，对量刑阶段的受害人认定不产生任何正面或负面影响。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbff7a5cca295ddcefc9f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q62feb4a8c136e8f58dcb","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":131,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-19T22:17:27.223Z","text":"喜和的嗅觉真的很敏锐👍","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9bcd9a298734442cf583","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q62feb4a8c136e8f58dcb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q1438b09e9e36b8986181","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":132,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-19T22:20:29.264Z","text":"所以还是要法官认定 如果法官不认定 就不能坐实盖尔那些是受害者 盖儿可以反驳","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbff7a5cca295ddcefc9f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1438b09e9e36b8986181","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbff7a5cca295ddcefc9f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q9d989df0047d40ac6309","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":133,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-19T22:20:50.018Z","text":"但盖尔欺诈 跑不掉","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9d989df0047d40ac6309","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"qd6c7dded231d0b3a2650","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":134,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-19T22:21:16.835Z","text":"如果没有螺丝哥搅局，我估计盖尔那些人就会被法庭当成受害者","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1438b09e9e36b8986181","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd6c7dded231d0b3a2650","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1438b09e9e36b8986181","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q4036cc71b077bc957809","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":135,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-01-19T22:21:22.330Z","text":"面前看来，盖尔这几千人，当做合法量刑的受害者，还没有做成。但是，如果没有第三方去捣乱，最后就能坐实!这就是第三方介入尤其自诉介入案件的意义。就是表达不同意见，拆穿法庭上其他涉嫌违法并且对郭文贵不利的第三方!","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbff7a5cca295ddcefc9f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4036cc71b077bc957809","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbff7a5cca295ddcefc9f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q88ccd159132658963eef","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":136,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-01-19T22:24:43.259Z","text":"联盟农场想直接让这些小蚂蚁自己承认是受害者，不可能。所以，就通过欺诈手段一步步把这些投资者骗到法庭上，说的贼漂亮，最后的目的，就是想让这些投资者变成受害者给郭文贵量刑!","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q88ccd159132658963eef","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"qafa5ae805287e2179080","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":137,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-19T22:25:19.926Z","text":"又回到老问题，既然法庭没有判定受害人，检方靠啥起诉抓人的？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbff7a5cca295ddcefc9f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qafa5ae805287e2179080","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbff7a5cca295ddcefc9f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q63bfd37f20f4f21525e3","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":138,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-01-19T22:26:02.001Z","text":"起诉，是大陪审团决定的。这个程序不公开","edited":false,"reply_to":"qafa5ae805287e2179080","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q63bfd37f20f4f21525e3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qafa5ae805287e2179080","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"qd0ee98882717aa14985d","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":139,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-19T22:26:32.267Z","text":"抓人呢","edited":false,"reply_to":"q63bfd37f20f4f21525e3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd0ee98882717aa14985d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q63bfd37f20f4f21525e3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q089996546cf5965c85a5","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":140,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-01-19T22:27:14.700Z","text":"逮捕，我猜，是法庭下令。检方去法庭申请，应该。你查一下","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q089996546cf5965c85a5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q95ac7a5d2f776f2c2733","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":141,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-19T22:30:35.542Z","text":"但他自己引用了cvra这个是事实了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1438b09e9e36b8986181","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q95ac7a5d2f776f2c2733","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1438b09e9e36b8986181","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"qcff4377d48f2786afa37","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":142,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-01-19T22:56:00.907Z","text":"如果郭案没有自诉＋没有第三方：\n\n检方 = 起诉\n行政 = 返还\n政府 = 构建受害人叙事\n量刑 = 按受害人数加重\n叙事 = “诈骗”成立\n政治 = 通过\n判决 = 坐实\n\n但现在你们正在做的是：\n\nnarrative interference（叙事干扰）\n\n这是刑事系统最怕的。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcff4377d48f2786afa37","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q269a617b47c77ff9370e","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":143,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-19T22:56:09.246Z","text":"结论性评估（基于 ECF No. 478 该动议本身）\n法院在量刑阶段将 Greyer 所代表的人群作为“量刑受害人（sentencing victims）使用的可能性：极低（接近于零）。\n下面给出严格基于该动议文本本身的法律理由与概率判断。\n一、决定性问题：因果归因被明确写反了\n量刑中的“受害人”必须是：\n“因被告的定罪犯罪而直接且近因性受到损害的人”\n（18 U.S.C. § 3771(e)(2)(A)；MVRA / 指南体系）\n而在 ECF No. 478 中，Greyer 的核心论点是：\n其当事人真正的受害来源不是被告\n而是美国政府的扣押、没收、托管与破产程序\n政府行为被反复描述为：\n“tortious interference”\n“plundering”\n“illegal seizure”\n“true harm stems not from the Defendants but from the U.S. Government” �\nCase-23_cr_00118-Doc-478 (1).pdf None\n👉 这在法律上直接否定了量刑所需的“被告—损害”因果链条。\n二、即便反复引用 CVRA，也无法修复这一致命缺陷\n该动议确实大量引用 CVRA（18 U.S.C. § 3771），并声称当事人是“victims”。\n但法院看的是实质主张，而不是法条标签。\n在该动议中：\n被告被描述为**“如果不是政府干预，本可以履约”**\n政府被描述为唯一造成损失的行为人\n甚至明确写道：\n“the true harm … appears to stem not from the Defendants but from the U.S. Government” �\nCase-23_cr_00118-Doc-478 (1).pdf None\n在这种表述下：\nCVRA 在法律上不适用\n法院不可能将其“转化”为量刑受害人\n否则将直接违反 CVRA 定义条款本身\n三、该动议在程序上也不指向量刑受害人认定\n从请求的救济（relief）可以看出真实目的：\n请求的是：\n返还被政府扣押的资金\n停止破产管理人继续使用资产\n调整没收 / 托管 / 返还结构\n并未请求：\n被列入 PSR 的受害人名单\n量刑阶段的陈述权（allocution）\n指南中的 victim-count 计算\nMVRA 赔偿裁定\n这使其在功能上更接近于：\n没收/返还争议\n行政或准行政救济\n而非量刑受害人主张\n四、对量刑法官而言，这类动议的“自然处理方式”\n在 SDNY 的实践中，法官面对这种文件，通常会：\n完全不在量刑中使用\n将其视为：\nforfeiture / seizure dispute\n或“第三方对政府行为的不满”\n明确或隐含地认定：\n不满足“被告直接致害”要件\n不纳入 PSR 的 victim count\n不支持任何量刑加重或赔偿\n五、概率判断（仅基于该动议）\n用途\n可能性\n被用作量刑受害人\n极低（≈0–5%）\n支持 victim-count 指南加重\n几乎为零\n支持 MVRA 赔偿\n为零\n在量刑叙事中被简单提及\n低（且无约束力）\n六、一句话总结（精确）\n由于 Greyer 在该动议中明确主张其当事人是“政府没收的受害者”，而非“被告犯罪的受害者”，法院在量刑阶段几乎不可能、也不应当将这些人作为量刑受害人使用。\n因果理论本身已将其排除在量刑受害人定义之外。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q269a617b47c77ff9370e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q3af9bafe303c3b19c869","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":144,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-01-19T22:57:07.990Z","text":"Test 的意思其实是：\n\n如果法院没认受害人\n检方能否靠 CVRA 自己认？\n\n答案：\n\n❌ 不能\nCVRA 是权利法，不是事实法\n\n要变成事实必须：\n\n✔ judicial finding\n\n而司法 finding 已经被你们卡住\n检方自己话说不下去\n所以现在 789 才会那么奇怪。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3af9bafe303c3b19c869","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q61d93fcc24d35f3db488","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":145,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-19T22:57:44.117Z","text":"那盖尔合同欺诈也跑不掉","edited":false,"reply_to":"q269a617b47c77ff9370e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q61d93fcc24d35f3db488","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q269a617b47c77ff9370e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q57d0504f4133e52b6d2c","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":146,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-01-19T22:59:52.890Z","text":"盖尔当时和我们的合同谁有？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q57d0504f4133e52b6d2c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q008af6b4b0de870d2096","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":147,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-19T23:03:37.560Z","text":"我存下来了，好像我的推里有","edited":false,"reply_to":"q57d0504f4133e52b6d2c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q008af6b4b0de870d2096","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q57d0504f4133e52b6d2c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"qab042137cb730f4525c3","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":148,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-19T23:05:09.362Z","text":"找到了，盖尔的协议","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qab042137cb730f4525c3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"qa38a9143c8e071babf98","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":149,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-01-19T23:09:03.246Z","text":"这个有点难复制下来啊，当时我都不会看这些，以前投资所有的文件签名，都是基于100%信任联盟，从来不看只管签字给钱","edited":false,"reply_to":"qab042137cb730f4525c3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa38a9143c8e071babf98","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qab042137cb730f4525c3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q6d293c223279aa3d4d01","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":150,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-01-19T23:22:28.335Z","text":"大家对790什么看法？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6d293c223279aa3d4d01","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"qb308bc11b4f527efe6a0","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":151,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-19T23:23:24.900Z","text":"盖尔 联盟在那里骂娘😄","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc33d64fdff2767c53b75","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb308bc11b4f527efe6a0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q5f51f9b1393e01409764","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":152,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-01-19T23:25:08.963Z","text":"好像RICO 这个罪行第三方还没有 触及到？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f51f9b1393e01409764","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q39708fd1a719c426ad91","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":153,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-19T23:25:30.771Z","text":"这个比较难触及","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5f51f9b1393e01409764","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q39708fd1a719c426ad91","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f51f9b1393e01409764","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"qf9a7777145e6ce02cb98","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":154,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-01-19T23:26:04.652Z","text":"检方说Gclub 是犯罪组织 就是因为RICO？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf9a7777145e6ce02cb98","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q398bb12cba513e5b60ec","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":155,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-19T23:26:24.988Z","text":"是吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf9a7777145e6ce02cb98","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q398bb12cba513e5b60ec","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf9a7777145e6ce02cb98","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"qd35c1494dfe053d1b595","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":156,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-01-19T23:27:32.754Z","text":"犯了什么罪呢RICO","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd35c1494dfe053d1b595","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q53dc0ffb9bee6b124740","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":157,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-19T23:27:56.448Z","text":"共谋犯罪 有rico才能定罪","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd35c1494dfe053d1b595","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q53dc0ffb9bee6b124740","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd35c1494dfe053d1b595","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q208629fb520dc309cb34","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":158,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-01-19T23:30:31.505Z","text":"当年纽约市长给黑手党定罪的时候 那些人可是杀人放火 贩毒 勒索 强行收保护费 等等。郭先生 及联盟 G系列 都干什么了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q208629fb520dc309cb34","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q1b0675774b6f30180206","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":159,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-19T23:36:47.319Z","text":"我觉得盖尔这个6000人，如果只是他本人带着6000人去法庭，没有检方和法院的配合，估计这6000人应该不会对郭不利","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1b0675774b6f30180206","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"qa4afe0d4c1760d744a83","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":160,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-19T23:37:10.331Z","text":"但是如果有检方和法院的配合的话，就不一样了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa4afe0d4c1760d744a83","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q622ba4a83236e12dc209","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":161,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-19T23:37:18.780Z","text":"对的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa4afe0d4c1760d744a83","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q622ba4a83236e12dc209","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa4afe0d4c1760d744a83","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"qac121ccc20b798891ab6","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":162,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-19T23:37:37.493Z","text":"结合托雷斯对chunk的打压 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量刑前翻案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeaf3eca52e0f2d68b58a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q47ea9c70dc7ff88c49e5","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":171,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-20T00:39:14.439Z","text":"这个案子不可能继续了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q47ea9c70dc7ff88c49e5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q65bc259494a272c39787","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":172,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-20T00:39:33.871Z","text":"但是还差一块拼图","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q65bc259494a272c39787","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q3d5a62c252ee25038ea1","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":173,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-20T00:39:46.049Z","text":"对啊，这个案子不可能量刑","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3d5a62c252ee25038ea1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"qd8891d7df8773cdc7f40","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":174,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-20T00:39:54.148Z","text":"受害人都给打没了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd8891d7df8773cdc7f40","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q0aa265b87dacdcc5f0a3","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":175,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-20T00:39:58.159Z","text":"[删节：成员身份]","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0aa265b87dacdcc5f0a3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q319c7b57482eed840625","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":176,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-20T00:40:10.028Z","text":"这是其中之一","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd8891d7df8773cdc7f40","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q319c7b57482eed840625","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd8891d7df8773cdc7f40","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"qa27e17bdb469c970cf47","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":177,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-20T00:40:16.913Z","text":"这案子更严重的问题","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa27e17bdb469c970cf47","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"qcf6fb12ae079daf36865","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":178,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-20T00:40:19.493Z","text":"还有司法欺诈","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf6fb12ae079daf36865","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"qe78a66c37f4d474d45d6","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":179,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-20T00:40:25.348Z","text":"对的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcf6fb12ae079daf36865","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe78a66c37f4d474d45d6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf6fb12ae079daf36865","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"qc8a66ca245aa774da5e2","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":180,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-20T00:40:27.238Z","text":"还有一个","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc8a66ca245aa774da5e2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q241d0ce05eba35159094","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":181,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-20T00:40:32.341Z","text":"还有各种联盟农场的妨碍司法","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q241d0ce05eba35159094","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q315ac84a970125546340","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":182,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-20T00:40:50.052Z","text":"这个案子就会成为美国最大的司法丑闻","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/m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下周有没有","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q728f5991d3c50b7443c9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"qb53df8ad759e77fad5c8","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":185,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-20T00:41:26.927Z","text":"到时候瑞恩才会拿出真正的实力😄","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb53df8ad759e77fad5c8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q980cac79bb27030aea6a","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":186,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-20T00:41:38.653Z","text":"瑞恩一直在扮猪吃老虎 哈哈","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q980cac79bb27030aea6a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"qd68a084dbc90a0353247","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":187,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-20T00:42:38.707Z","text":"如果那个没有 总是缺一块 但也能污染量刑","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd68a084dbc90a0353247","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"qb689cfb10647a6abc7ed","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":188,"speaker":"Sap***","date":"2026-01-20T00:51:36.220Z","text":"很遗憾，用户 ［用户 aay***］ 离开了 **郭文贵法庭文件，不禁言不删帖**。希望他一路好走。","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb689cfb10647a6abc7ed","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q2c38227437e5f51eb813","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":189,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-20T00:51:38.660Z","text":"还有托雷斯亲自污染record 第三方想补record 结果被打一通 然后全都不让上传","edited":false,"reply_to":"q241d0ce05eba35159094","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2c38227437e5f51eb813","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q241d0ce05eba35159094","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"qa9f00ee1ff4e67ce24e6","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":190,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-20T00:52:14.075Z","text":"不会有量刑了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa9f00ee1ff4e67ce24e6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"qb602891e7d4b91de162a","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":191,"speaker":"gun***","date":"2026-01-20T00:53:54.281Z","text":"受害人本来就只是个叙事，而不是证据","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb602891e7d4b91de162a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"qdab3037a0bfafc181e05","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":192,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-01-20T01:04:42.969Z","text":"刚刚看完那134份受害人叙述， 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被告太坏了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1a936cb8613c66e54630","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"qf84bc57c1e9c81858ac6","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":194,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-20T01:07:36.039Z","text":"郭案观察者对此如何展望","edited":false,"reply_to":"qeb500e812bcb84edb056","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf84bc57c1e9c81858ac6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"qd6d637ffb7b5b1ccc1c2","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":195,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-20T01:11:03.994Z","text":"二巡今天没有任何","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd6d637ffb7b5b1ccc1c2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q5a3872ea00b4350c87f6","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":196,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-20T01:17:38.065Z","text":"那个状态会，意思公众可以打电话进去听。大家有兴趣的可以去听听看。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5a3872ea00b4350c87f6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q12781a00255e8f7774f7","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":197,"speaker":"siy***","date":"2026-01-20T01:18:45.151Z","text":"郭案现在的最新进展 在 哪里看？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q12781a00255e8f7774f7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q84bddc44ef109c4be4f9","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":198,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-01-20T01:22:25.440Z","text":"有人说明天开庭，就是状态会吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q84bddc44ef109c4be4f9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q32c30e878043670f957b","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":199,"speaker":"siy***","date":"2026-01-20T01:24:26.475Z","text":"哪里得到的消息？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q32c30e878043670f957b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000071"},{"id":"q24b10e287f184111b215","batch_id":"batch-000071","seq":200,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-20T01:27:04.227Z","text":"用Microsoft 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