{"id":"batch-000072","number":72,"revision":2,"date_start":"2026-01-21T03:13:03.986Z","date_end":"2026-01-24T06:36:54.667Z","total_messages":1000,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 072 (Jan 21, 2026 – Jan 24, 2026), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Discussions centered on post-sentencing restitution and evidentiary channels, focusing on distinctions among the CVRA, MVRA, and 21 U.S.C. § 853(n) and 853(i), particularly whether victim status must precede asset claims. Participants disputed procedural requirements, debating whether all motions require formal docketing and how judicial silence should be construed between the Southern District of New York and Second Circuit. Technical concerns over evidentiary authenticity and service failures intersected with allegations of organizational manipulation.","guide_en":[{"title":"CVRA, MVRA, and Restitution Claim Boundaries: Whether CVRA Serves as a Direct Channel for Recovery","description":"Participants dispute whether CVRA submissions constitute direct monetary demands and debate court docketing obligations.","message_ids":["q12d767018d25c3441079","qebfe746df102f2b28b9c","q9a917823f3cdbf744b61"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q12d767018d25c3441079","summary_en":"him*** contends that submitting a CVRA filing does not equate to asking for money."},{"message_id":"qebfe746df102f2b28b9c","summary_en":"him*** argues that the court should not delay docketing private claims or Section 853(n) petitions."},{"message_id":"q9a917823f3cdbf744b61","summary_en":"him*** criticizes the withholding of docketing for CVRA procedural issues."}]},{"title":"Disagreements Over Mandatory Motion Docketing and Processing 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thousands to roughly 140 misrepresents the underlying victim certification and remission processes."}]},{"title":"Authenticity of Evidentiary Sources: Scrutiny Over Recordings, Meeting Manuscripts, and Third-Party Texts","description":"Participants question the admissibility and authenticity of unverified meeting transcripts and recordings.","message_ids":["qefbf65d238764608ff54","q36f64af4789110437ced","q8919108f6568cd565983"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qefbf65d238764608ff54","summary_en":"beg*** asks whether complete meeting recordings and manuscripts will be posted to CourtListener."},{"message_id":"q36f64af4789110437ced","summary_en":"kir*** emphasizes that the authenticity of the materials must be confirmed."},{"message_id":"q8919108f6568cd565983","summary_en":"him*** asks whether the referenced material derives from a meeting between attorney Victor and group leadership."}]},{"title":"Procedural Regularity in Service Chains: Returned Mail, Missing Delivery, and Notice 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doing so in the coming weeks."},{"message_id":"q9ea03f290589d30946e2","summary_en":"beg*** advocates maintaining pressure on the Second Circuit through impactful filings while noting the court appearance of SDNY prosecutor Jay Clayton."},{"message_id":"q83686fa161b97b311e53","summary_en":"zha*** asks whether participants should call three specific court telephone numbers regarding undocketed pro se filings."}]},{"title":"Convergence of Procedural and Political Narratives: Third-Party Representation and Organizational Agendas","description":"Participants dispute the motives behind group representation agreements and efforts to deter independent filings.","message_ids":["qd0a719037ed2a24cefec","q16bb7f62e902b0a8315c"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qd0a719037ed2a24cefec","summary_en":"roy*** describes paying a fifty-dollar representation fee without reviewing the agreement after following group explanations, recounting feeling misled by the 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rights","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qac0d1c3bb18d31c80f76","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q809e87c5b8558994abd1","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":45,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-01-21T03:55:17.462Z","text":"你首先要去南区发动议，然后二巡，然后才高法","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1a4131bdf3cba9b4f0e3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q809e87c5b8558994abd1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1a4131bdf3cba9b4f0e3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qd0a719037ed2a24cefec","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":46,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-01-21T04:00:08.876Z","text":"你们谁可以把盖儿代理的解释一下，要通俗易懂，我反正是晕的，不敢解释，这个受众群体可不小，我平时极少去填联盟表的都被不断的解读下付了五十美元代理费，但是没看合同，那时太信联盟，没想到他们坏事做绝了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd0a719037ed2a24cefec","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qe753cfe31597ea96a1cd","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":47,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-21T04:04:42.522Z","text":"诈骗联盟和盖尔说的是获得喜交所用户授权后要起诉司法部，然后盖尔拿到授权后没有起诉司法部，盖尔和诈骗联盟里的活跃分子在发布的视频里说的内容跟合同里的内容不一样。涉嫌合同诈骗。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd0a719037ed2a24cefec","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe753cfe31597ea96a1cd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd0a719037ed2a24cefec","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qe57af552f23456551775","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":48,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-01-21T04:05:06.893Z","text":"有没有视频","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe57af552f23456551775","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qd1499761ec0bbc74b8cb","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":49,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-21T04:05:20.679Z","text":"通过诈骗获得的代理权自始无效。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd1499761ec0bbc74b8cb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q93d8e8b6aa3b50c1f987","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":50,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-21T04:05:30.452Z","text":"划到行政程序的那些remission的人，还是可以发cvra动议","edited":false,"reply_to":"q56749abf962b3daaf68a","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q93d8e8b6aa3b50c1f987","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q0621da30bc8634593051","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":51,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-21T04:05:49.568Z","text":"好像Testyourheart有。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe57af552f23456551775","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0621da30bc8634593051","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe57af552f23456551775","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q4b992f3089237a771a3b","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":52,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-01-21T04:06:16.121Z","text":"我找下去","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0621da30bc8634593051","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4b992f3089237a771a3b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0621da30bc8634593051","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q34a9222c137f93e8f47c","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":53,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-21T04:07:18.161Z","text":"法官直接在法庭上说853n不找律师代理不给docket,原话就是这么说的吗？这就是公然枉法啊！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q34a9222c137f93e8f47c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q68c88155bccbb8f3bf8b","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":54,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-21T04:08:39.951Z","text":"对呀","edited":false,"reply_to":"q34a9222c137f93e8f47c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q68c88155bccbb8f3bf8b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q34a9222c137f93e8f47c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q186e06295c82ba8930c9","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":55,"speaker":"kir***","date":"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那就是吃这检方饭 砸检方的锅","edited":false,"reply_to":"q93d8e8b6aa3b50c1f987","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q186e06295c82ba8930c9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q93d8e8b6aa3b50c1f987","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qcd80fdd3d5d1102b30f3","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":56,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-21T04:09:44.237Z","text":"那已经发上去的不也得给你撤下来？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q68c88155bccbb8f3bf8b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcd80fdd3d5d1102b30f3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q68c88155bccbb8f3bf8b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qf352290556cb18bb09ab","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":57,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-21T04:09:57.369Z","text":"拖大人没说","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcd80fdd3d5d1102b30f3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf352290556cb18bb09ab","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcd80fdd3d5d1102b30f3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q9a386fbe9de565a8c1e0","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":58,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-01-21T04:10:18.018Z","text":"[删节：成员身份]","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9a386fbe9de565a8c1e0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q13d443644ad1e4cc6865","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":59,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-21T04:10:44.318Z","text":"看来拖大人是想逼大家都去走减免程序。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q13d443644ad1e4cc6865","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q80422b2aa8f56ba247e9","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":60,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-21T04:10:55.059Z","text":"是的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q13d443644ad1e4cc6865","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q80422b2aa8f56ba247e9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q13d443644ad1e4cc6865","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qfe54f22569f6fd480930","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":61,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-21T04:11:27.673Z","text":"盖尔洗脚所登记的问题：1. 联盟农场洗脚所共谋犯组织推广 2. 涉嫌合同诈骗，联盟农场诈骗战友 3. Nick说郭知道喜交所登记，称其为伟大的行动，但是估计郭并不知道","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd1499761ec0bbc74b8cb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfe54f22569f6fd480930","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd1499761ec0bbc74b8cb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qe0915392caa5bf624bb0","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":62,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-01-21T04:13:05.888Z","text":"I违法5th amendment","edited":false,"reply_to":"q34a9222c137f93e8f47c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe0915392caa5bf624bb0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q34a9222c137f93e8f47c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q72a5fa16cc9a0ba40b00","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":63,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-21T04:13:44.030Z","text":"法官说他们以后会慢慢docket 853n自诉","edited":false,"reply_to":"q34a9222c137f93e8f47c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q72a5fa16cc9a0ba40b00","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q34a9222c137f93e8f47c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q910af74f4657f2ce2d90","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":64,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-21T04:13:54.137Z","text":"没说永远都不docket","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q910af74f4657f2ce2d90","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qa5af04b5a03a8609d669","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":65,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-21T04:14:46.413Z","text":"而且法官说他们还说到一些抱怨投诉的动议，他们也在一个一个审查","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa5af04b5a03a8609d669","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q90fa9dafd557a015d10d","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":66,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-21T04:15:12.090Z","text":"基本就是拖，没说永远不入卷","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q90fa9dafd557a015d10d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qc2de907d52796f2aed76","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":67,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-21T04:15:28.331Z","text":"就是回复二巡","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc2de907d52796f2aed76","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q184623c5f39997cd71f9","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":68,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-01-21T04:15:40.104Z","text":"昨天检方关于没收Gclub的 是不是790？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q184623c5f39997cd71f9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qeaa4c955b9c0004b6654","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":69,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-21T04:15:53.633Z","text":"好像是","edited":false,"reply_to":"q184623c5f39997cd71f9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeaa4c955b9c0004b6654","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q184623c5f39997cd71f9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q000e87ff813590bb8204","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":70,"speaker":"mol***","date":"2026-01-21T04:17:02.973Z","text":"不是吧，789都提到喜交所和853n了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9c04065e0bbf2c9965eb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q000e87ff813590bb8204","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9c04065e0bbf2c9965eb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q68f46db4db5842547b63","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":71,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-21T04:17:12.572Z","text":"［用户 ntp***］","edited":true,"reply_to":"q4b992f3089237a771a3b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q68f46db4db5842547b63","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4b992f3089237a771a3b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q1acc5dac82d7cdfd7fdb","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":72,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-21T04:17:23.206Z","text":"最后是853i","edited":false,"reply_to":"q000e87ff813590bb8204","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1acc5dac82d7cdfd7fdb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q000e87ff813590bb8204","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q7d03f07a8117a9155b5a","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":73,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-21T04:17:59.681Z","text":"Cvra和remission 不冲突","edited":false,"reply_to":"q186e06295c82ba8930c9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7d03f07a8117a9155b5a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q186e06295c82ba8930c9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q6c5970805ef1291ee744","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":74,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-21T04:18:07.734Z","text":"卯着拱卒的虚假债权留记录，卯着luc正在不断挥霍本案财产对付它们的拖字诀。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6c5970805ef1291ee744","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qb32e0e89bde3a97f7ea2","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":75,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-21T04:18:27.968Z","text":"Remission那些人如果不满意，还是可以发动议改成853n","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb32e0e89bde3a97f7ea2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q9d05e850f2b150c223d9","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":76,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-21T04:18:40.624Z","text":"法庭上的身份是可以切换的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9d05e850f2b150c223d9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q1452919fe0f6ba4bde2d","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":77,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-21T04:18:44.260Z","text":"［用户 him***］  这个听证会 最大的问题 就是全场没有一句cvra","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1452919fe0f6ba4bde2d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q84b8e25a286cac0fc8b1","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":78,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-21T04:18:56.372Z","text":"不要以为法庭身份是钉死的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q84b8e25a286cac0fc8b1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q2fe374b1a803ea12fb6b","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":79,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-21T04:18:56.601Z","text":"cvra 被矮化成抱怨","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2fe374b1a803ea12fb6b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qbb8ca3856ac7989fc226","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":80,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-21T04:19:15.020Z","text":"Complaints是抱怨，也是投诉","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2fe374b1a803ea12fb6b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbb8ca3856ac7989fc226","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2fe374b1a803ea12fb6b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q35e5a882ec30913218ba","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":81,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-21T04:19:29.228Z","text":"这是全场最危险的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q35e5a882ec30913218ba","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q64c84791f9832e3a7888","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":82,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-21T04:19:51.641Z","text":"至于对二巡的法令 南区也说了 自诉慢慢会上传 不是不上传","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64c84791f9832e3a7888","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q35d3bf6aac3974cf7450","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":83,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-21T04:20:13.941Z","text":"所以 其他的事情 托雷斯都可以拖字诀","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q35d3bf6aac3974cf7450","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q9e98e7cdecb6f83d2e30","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":84,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-21T04:20:14.110Z","text":"你要是被骗成为remission，可以切换身份，自己查查ai","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e98e7cdecb6f83d2e30","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q83696743a04b33288d8e","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":85,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-21T04:23:45.252Z","text":"我的意思是 面子上的问题 托雷斯都用拖字诀 暂时稳住","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q83696743a04b33288d8e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q1031f117337bb4dc4c51","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":86,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-21T04:23:55.920Z","text":"但唯一的 就是cvra 她根本没提","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1031f117337bb4dc4c51","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q7b4e14dfb4c5d8372418","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":87,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-21T04:24:03.150Z","text":"cvra的矮化 她没有任何借口","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7b4e14dfb4c5d8372418","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q0967ddfc409f00163c88","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":88,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-21T04:26:24.518Z","text":"既然法官开会说了他们正在审查这些投诉动议，也会上传853n动议，那可以给他们一周或两周时间，看看怎么样。如果还没任何动静,再去二巡也不晚。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd8befd1d60f9cc21980a","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0967ddfc409f00163c88","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q82abe3d547ce8b727aba","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":89,"speaker":"mol***","date":"2026-01-21T04:34:04.691Z","text":"“我用 CVRA 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指控能打赢（或引起法官重视），你就确实不会害了郭；但如果法官觉得你在胡说八道，把你当成又一个被洗脑的受害人，那这个保护逻辑就失效了。\n\n四、风险较高的情形（反向界定安全区）\n原文逻辑：只要你不求赔偿、不写受害人影响陈述（Impact Statement）、不要求量刑身份，风险就很低。\n\n深度解读：\n\n这是最实操的建议。它告诉大家：写 CVRA 动议时，千万别写“还我钱”、“我很惨”、“严惩诈骗犯”。\n\n要写什么？ 要写“检方你撒谎”、“你有证据没交出来”、“因为你的程序违规导致我的资产被冻结”。\n\n通过这种**“攻击性 CVRA”而非“索赔性 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今天状态会议 抓到了一个致命的漏洞","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q73abc9d2fdaaffd4e91b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qfbf2eb413047d4073baf","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":95,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-21T05:00:40.932Z","text":"mvra 不适合用 是检方的动议","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfbf2eb413047d4073baf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q2937184e1f0b5944be83","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":96,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-21T05:00:53.479Z","text":"然而托雷斯裁定了吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2937184e1f0b5944be83","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qa4ababf2207420a727a0","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":97,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-21T05:00:54.688Z","text":"没有","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa4ababf2207420a727a0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q76fac0f468b81202899d","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":98,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-21T05:01:09.032Z","text":"跳过裁定 当大家眼睛瞎了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q76fac0f468b81202899d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qbf8829a5a9f79299b274","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":99,"speaker":"lon***","date":"2026-01-21T05:02:18.195Z","text":"写新的动议书时是不是可以说一下这事","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbf8829a5a9f79299b274","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qee3b785d24b04ea3a91b","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":100,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-21T05:04:14.010Z","text":"可以","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qee3b785d24b04ea3a91b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qa5b7684aa57e66a06adf","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":101,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-21T05:04:28.607Z","text":"今天托雷斯最致命的错误有两个 1: cvra 只字不提","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa5b7684aa57e66a06adf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qcda5f95b392485db9e10","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":102,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-21T05:04:39.776Z","text":"2: mvra不适用跳过裁定程序","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcda5f95b392485db9e10","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q1f98c3d95471b93027d2","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":103,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-21T05:21:26.899Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息]mvra被绕过标准裁定流程直接否","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1f98c3d95471b93027d2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qb3c2801f3a6fd68f7300","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":104,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-21T05:21:34.725Z","text":"被我抓到了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb3c2801f3a6fd68f7300","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q7e438ee1efd41e341275","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":105,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-21T05:21:44.140Z","text":"这是重大违规","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7e438ee1efd41e341275","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q2f891e0a60ea47f2b3b6","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":106,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-21T05:21:50.486Z","text":"瑞恩的钱又能要了🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2f891e0a60ea47f2b3b6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q3311cb0e5073e001b944","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":107,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-01-21T05:22:19.274Z","text":"就是Torres 没裁决 就认定检方的说法了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3311cb0e5073e001b944","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q197435392189953d53e2","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":108,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-21T05:22:28.241Z","text":"对","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q197435392189953d53e2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qd90aa7a9dd58ae4e57a9","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":109,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-21T05:22:38.539Z","text":"你可以去看看 检方785 [屏蔽词]是一个letter","edited":true,"reply_to":"q3311cb0e5073e001b944","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd90aa7a9dd58ae4e57a9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3311cb0e5073e001b944","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q9d44f48f6685557f1885","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":110,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-21T05:22:40.791Z","text":"可不是动议","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9d44f48f6685557f1885","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q9ab37382336aeef02ee9","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":111,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-21T05:23:02.863Z","text":"mvra否决 需要法定流程","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ab37382336aeef02ee9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q86d8dcc94e78e20e3827","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":112,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-21T05:23:07.735Z","text":"没有流程 就是违规","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q86d8dcc94e78e20e3827","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qf56c237a2908b4a0ce55","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":113,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-01-21T05:23:20.953Z","text":"信 不需要裁决","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf56c237a2908b4a0ce55","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qeeb18c2d3bec9c97589e","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":114,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-21T05:23:25.416Z","text":"托雷斯今天直接什么853i 853n","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeeb18c2d3bec9c97589e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qa4697189c23359f8ab33","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":115,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-21T05:23:35.106Z","text":"不需要裁决 那你的mvra呢？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf56c237a2908b4a0ce55","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa4697189c23359f8ab33","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf56c237a2908b4a0ce55","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q21e9f2faca823f03e503","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":116,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-21T05:23:45.737Z","text":"没裁决 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要是出钱 最终也是政府 出 - 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listener?","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qefbf65d238764608ff54","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qe34776ef6d4483289748","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":128,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-21T05:29:24.908Z","text":"今天的会议记录","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe34776ef6d4483289748","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q16496a3d2e41e47c9637","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":129,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-21T05:29:30.334Z","text":"rica从哪拿的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q16496a3d2e41e47c9637","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q36f64af4789110437ced","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":130,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-21T05:29:40.420Z","text":"得确认一下是不是真的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q36f64af4789110437ced","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qa6b8097c0e96661254fa","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":131,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-21T05:29:47.055Z","text":"这帮人没一句话可以信","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa6b8097c0e96661254fa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qb40b6fea9b22a52d6dd7","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":132,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-21T05:29:57.957Z","text":"我在pacer也没看到","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb40b6fea9b22a52d6dd7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q4da86fe85fbfd63017fc","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":133,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-01-21T05:31:20.223Z","text":"等等看 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会不会是假的","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q313a20a176243fb2588b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qc6f67e72311cd270034b","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":135,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-21T05:41:58.925Z","text":"应该不会。诈骗联盟网站上的英文庭审脚本，上面都没有南区的文件号标识，我大致看了一两篇，对得上。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q313a20a176243fb2588b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc6f67e72311cd270034b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q313a20a176243fb2588b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qaba24eda9764b0f83bf0","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":136,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-21T05:42:22.323Z","text":"我还是等原文吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc6f67e72311cd270034b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaba24eda9764b0f83bf0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc6f67e72311cd270034b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q9abb85360837b6f935f0","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":137,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-21T05:43:09.681Z","text":"也不知道它们在南区还没解封上传时它们到哪整来的？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qaba24eda9764b0f83bf0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9abb85360837b6f935f0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaba24eda9764b0f83bf0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q808242bfeb834cc34150","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":138,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-21T05:43:19.030Z","text":"她不是说去法院要的吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9abb85360837b6f935f0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q808242bfeb834cc34150","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9abb85360837b6f935f0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q5f5ef502190f424b0894","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":139,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-21T05:43:58.748Z","text":"好像前年是在说它们拿钱去买的。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q808242bfeb834cc34150","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f5ef502190f424b0894","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q808242bfeb834cc34150","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qfa38988fb0511813046f","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":140,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-01-21T05:45:58.666Z","text":"她的来源是","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfa38988fb0511813046f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qf2c1964daf3df087f32c","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":141,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-21T05:47:26.645Z","text":"南区速记员","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfa38988fb0511813046f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf2c1964daf3df087f32c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfa38988fb0511813046f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qad549feaec7ea95ab8ee","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":142,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-21T05:47:45.891Z","text":"应该是真的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qad549feaec7ea95ab8ee","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qace86c09d4cb88336462","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":143,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-01-21T05:50:48.743Z","text":"今天会议后 Torres 是要发个法令的吧？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qace86c09d4cb88336462","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q66e69e0b617d86d50380","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":144,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-21T05:51:29.591Z","text":"不用","edited":false,"reply_to":"qace86c09d4cb88336462","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q66e69e0b617d86d50380","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qace86c09d4cb88336462","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qa9b04c864fd2f3fb5ff7","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":145,"speaker":"Sap***","date":"2026-01-21T06:40:07.633Z","text":"欢迎 [删节：隐私信息] 来到 **郭文贵法庭文件，不禁言不删帖**! 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最好的律师 最好的律师","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcd9e9fd36ad8a6c6d512","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q8890fd4752cf15c5eafb","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":150,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-01-21T07:35:14.742Z","text":"发给二巡还是南区？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbfbd662719391998e66c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8890fd4752cf15c5eafb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbfbd662719391998e66c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qe54b72b02a34873648fb","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":151,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-21T07:38:29.473Z","text":"联盟一如既往的踩检方 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[删节：隐私信息] 来到 **郭文贵法庭文件，不禁言不删帖**! 你可以在聊天区交流郭文贵刑事案件，畅所欲言。这里有新老联盟农场羊帮质疑帮绝对不可能给你的言论自由。不禁言不删帖，唯一要求是不要在聊天区刷屏。这里所有言论只代表发言者自己的非专业个人意见，如有任何疑虑，请咨询专业人士。\n\n各房间功能说明：\n\n想快速了解郭文贵案件 ->  法庭文件分类索引，老郭案件内容\n想学习自诉 -> 自诉pro se 说明及参考\n想骂人 -> 对骂发泄房间\n想刷屏 -> 揭发自诉陷阱","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdbcf2dca95497279e854","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q9ae4934a2ce7d34d621a","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":160,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-01-21T07:48:38.445Z","text":"啥意思","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe21cbd8b5bbd49f08b4f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ae4934a2ce7d34d621a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe21cbd8b5bbd49f08b4f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q92f0501df34d0dcf6861","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":161,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-21T07:49:22.812Z","text":"我二巡又加了两个检方律师，每次写信都得抄送给他们","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9ae4934a2ce7d34d621a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q92f0501df34d0dcf6861","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ae4934a2ce7d34d621a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q35440bdc8a105c04d0e3","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":162,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-21T07:49:54.162Z","text":"邮费都快花不起了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q35440bdc8a105c04d0e3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q903b0a63cbcf4e8ab20a","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":163,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-21T07:50:13.905Z","text":"他们不会故意欺负你吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q903b0a63cbcf4e8ab20a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q762e686b3f019aca8a5c","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":164,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-21T07:50:40.273Z","text":"我也在想，我申请ifp，他就故意让我多花钱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q762e686b3f019aca8a5c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qc4c3e5aaa1c7c5ce1c26","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":165,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-21T07:50:51.778Z","text":"这是故意为难我","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc4c3e5aaa1c7c5ce1c26","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q72e4d6868097272f8ebe","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":166,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-21T07:51:55.056Z","text":"这事我该怎么投诉呢","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q72e4d6868097272f8ebe","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q3c44e2757b5318737dbf","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":167,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-21T07:53:51.520Z","text":"没地方投诉…","edited":false,"reply_to":"q72e4d6868097272f8ebe","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3c44e2757b5318737dbf","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q72e4d6868097272f8ebe","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qe7e29bb8ba7df5e12215","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":168,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-21T07:56:46.726Z","text":"那不就是让我闭嘴吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3c44e2757b5318737dbf","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe7e29bb8ba7df5e12215","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3c44e2757b5318737dbf","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q2015df9313dce42e4394","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":169,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-21T07:58:50.403Z","text":"盖尔是cvra和853i吧，没有853n","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4db6a3558e18f4b48c93","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2015df9313dce42e4394","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4db6a3558e18f4b48c93","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qe41a9702002e14663a1e","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":170,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-21T07:59:01.114Z","text":"是吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2015df9313dce42e4394","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe41a9702002e14663a1e","reply_url":"https://mub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给律师，可能就不会有后面要求serve 其它律师。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q92f0501df34d0dcf6861","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe3031505d16377a1653f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q92f0501df34d0dcf6861","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qb45904b33baaa3012035","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":172,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-21T08:08:16.157Z","text":"难道不是serve 给检察官办公室即可？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb45904b33baaa3012035","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qc67abb0db517bda9f24e","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":173,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-21T08:11:48.274Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 而且 瑞恩之前在南区的保留意见的信 在二巡也更新了 然后这帮货自说自话给seal了","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc67abb0db517bda9f24e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qbcc376735b5daeb41164","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":174,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-21T08:12:08.652Z","text":"seal不是要交四份嘛","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbcc376735b5daeb41164","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q688716090e6d71ec8f76","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":175,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-01-21T08:13:12.764Z","text":"电子邮件尽管给检方多发几处，反正不花钱，他们相互之间也不好懒帐。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe3031505d16377a1653f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q688716090e6d71ec8f76","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe3031505d16377a1653f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q16b7acc92c1d52b914ff","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":176,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-21T08:13:51.530Z","text":"他这个是二巡要求邮寄","edited":false,"reply_to":"q688716090e6d71ec8f76","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q16b7acc92c1d52b914ff","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q688716090e6d71ec8f76","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qa5b4683e1609eb7ea072","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":177,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-21T08:16:50.856Z","text":"二巡立案后，发notice 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guo的案件，就会表现出不正常，巡回法院也不例外。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q86fecadd1f919713a53b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qfd6d31b807dbe1156926","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":193,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-21T10:08:26.849Z","text":"目前没啥要补的了。就是后续再要发啥成本太高了，要发四份","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4083a7883f5e40302cca","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfd6d31b807dbe1156926","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4083a7883f5e40302cca","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q5f8379cf6d72d29c7ca5","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":194,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-01-21T10:10:42.206Z","text":"青 脱不了干系 \n图四 盖尔717动议 指明了使用4月份的填表信息\n图二 青们 提供的示范表 是853 n的申请\n图三 实际给的填写表\n勾选victim petition 就承认受害者\n没有勾选 用owner身份 还是petition\n都被盖尔拿去做了减免remission （853 i)\n总之和宣传的第三方853 n claim八竿子打不着\n妥妥的欺骗\n\nhttps://x.com/sarahzh67248600/status/1957048258523496487?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":"q89e87a49a0ac89d245fa","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f8379cf6d72d29c7ca5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q89e87a49a0ac89d245fa","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qcfde5a5b23d9bbf44a55","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":195,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-21T10:13:03.922Z","text":"他们是发电子邮件告知你以后要补充内容时要加上另外两位助理检察官？还是邮寄平信过来告知？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfd6d31b807dbe1156926","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcfde5a5b23d9bbf44a55","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfd6d31b807dbe1156926","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q53f0f4f5ee7b09555473","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":196,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-21T10:13:50.208Z","text":"没有通知，是在pacer上原来的检方律师是一个人，后来又来了两个人","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcfde5a5b23d9bbf44a55","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q53f0f4f5ee7b09555473","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcfde5a5b23d9bbf44a55","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qa92d307aa146b31c2bed","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":197,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-21T10:14:10.442Z","text":"是螺丝立案同一天加进来的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa92d307aa146b31c2bed","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qf8ab03578c2b3997f88a","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":198,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-21T10:14:25.349Z","text":"但是螺丝和瑞恩的律师没有增加","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf8ab03578c2b3997f88a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q321f2ff6048d2cf22aaa","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":199,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-21T10:16:24.176Z","text":"是那两个助理检察官自己要求加上去的吗？说到pacer，我申请后那个授权码，考虑到美国假期季因素，也过了十个工作日了，您当初申请后多少个工作日之后收到那封信，我的是不是被寄丢了？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q53f0f4f5ee7b09555473","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q321f2ff6048d2cf22aaa","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q53f0f4f5ee7b09555473","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q4f01f92f97611a4e59db","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":200,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-21T10:16:57.627Z","text":"有点记不清了，申请后一两个星期吧，","edited":false,"reply_to":"q321f2ff6048d2cf22aaa","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f01f92f97611a4e59db","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q321f2ff6048d2cf22aaa","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000071","next_batch_id":"batch-000073"}