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Rica 的内容完全一样，大家为了减少混乱，完全可以用我的这个干净的官方版本。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf1878f37724566c1caed","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qd203b5912ecb25537456","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":843,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-24T00:07:10.744Z","text":"你的853n申请的所有动议他们都会上传吗？还是只上传要钱的那份？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q78d98dd84c60f2b0bf4a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd203b5912ecb25537456","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q78d98dd84c60f2b0bf4a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qaed5fd7a229a3b55565d","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":844,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-24T00:07:30.953Z","text":"说不定他们只上传要钱的，程序问题都不上传","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaed5fd7a229a3b55565d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q5e8fe01ffc795c115be7","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":845,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-24T00:08:23.180Z","text":"那南区会不会把你算成受害者","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2db498e7334117173ac0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5e8fe01ffc795c115be7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2db498e7334117173ac0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qecf24a6499faecc10f09","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":846,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T00:09:23.328Z","text":"没否认哈","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf5295bf92f1e649e40bd","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qecf24a6499faecc10f09","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qe3cc43bf45ef5134014c","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":847,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-24T00:09:46.307Z","text":"他和文悦说的话都很像","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe3cc43bf45ef5134014c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qdee09856466d338dd7f3","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":848,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T00:09:53.375Z","text":"就是同一个人","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe3cc43bf45ef5134014c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdee09856466d338dd7f3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe3cc43bf45ef5134014c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q72181a79f03476274569","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":849,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T00:10:01.260Z","text":"[删节：成员身份]估计也是他","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q72181a79f03476274569","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q328f0776095258c3b5b3","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":850,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-24T00:10:22.204Z","text":"他一个人表演多少人啊？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q328f0776095258c3b5b3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q1411cad53ad2dbd6a132","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":851,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T00:11:02.797Z","text":"3-4个","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1411cad53ad2dbd6a132","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q3d17e98f662b6be16dc5","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":852,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T00:11:18.142Z","text":"之前不是在各种群都有[删节：成员身份]","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3d17e98f662b6be16dc5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qbc31331dc49c3794b752","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":853,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-24T00:11:19.321Z","text":"至少现在出现的4个","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbc31331dc49c3794b752","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q2aa3ab89c92d63bf6aef","batch_id":"batch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的，不清楚的地方一定要问明白，不能不懂装懂。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2aa3ab89c92d63bf6aef","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qefda3a7d894c9b49aed6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2aa3ab89c92d63bf6aef","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q83686fa161b97b311e53","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":856,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2026-01-24T01:09:54.884Z","text":"没被上传的自诉邮件，\n直接打法院的这3个电话吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2aa3ab89c92d63bf6aef","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q83686fa161b97b311e53","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2aa3ab89c92d63bf6aef","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qcb68b33452a13bf00e67","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":857,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-24T01:12:54.331Z","text":"二巡申请强制令，需要了解是否立案，打这三个电话。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q83686fa161b97b311e53","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcb68b33452a13bf00e67","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q83686fa161b97b311e53","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q66bdcc347f757f9eba74","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":858,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2026-01-24T01:15:54.821Z","text":"跟对方提前说明需要说慢一点，用抖音里那种即时翻译耳机对话，能行吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2aa3ab89c92d63bf6aef","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q66bdcc347f757f9eba74","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2aa3ab89c92d63bf6aef","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q953c7c66eb6753497fce","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":859,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-24T01:18:40.504Z","text":"没研究过，不过可以试试。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q66bdcc347f757f9eba74","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q953c7c66eb6753497fce","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q66bdcc347f757f9eba74","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qba378018d2a13cab251d","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":860,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2026-01-24T01:18:42.269Z","text":"在二巡申请过强制令的，才去打电话咨询吗？\n还是说，在南区没被上传，就打此电话！？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcb68b33452a13bf00e67","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qba378018d2a13cab251d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcb68b33452a13bf00e67","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qd1b839271659b9370fd0","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":861,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-24T01:19:11.560Z","text":"二巡的。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qba378018d2a13cab251d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd1b839271659b9370fd0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qba378018d2a13cab251d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q4a7909ef29440cd68b74","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":862,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-01-24T01:24:26.494Z","text":"我也是3345其中之一，23年12月发邮件取消代理的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0069b0c25360531814f2","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4a7909ef29440cd68b74","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q81ff951ff1da2afc3654","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":863,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-01-24T01:25:33.253Z","text":"有在线三方通话翻译的服务，不过要半小时30刀","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q81ff951ff1da2afc3654","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q11590f1aee5c9e9ddf3a","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":864,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-01-24T02:24:33.691Z","text":"［用户 spr***］","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q11590f1aee5c9e9ddf3a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q16bb7f62e902b0a8315c","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":865,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-01-24T02:52:13.226Z","text":"那你应该和螺丝哥一样 属于那187个人之一 对盖尔的代理 造成的后果 开始产生怀疑\n/但是羊帮很恶的地方就在 他让这批有怀疑的群体 只是取消代理 但不要再去走第三方853n自诉 而是和他们一起国会请愿 等到郭牢底坐穿\n/可以爬楼看我上面的分析 羊帮那个kk 就是想把 第三方853n自诉 和 受害者 弄混淆\n（要钱=受害者？狗屁逻辑！）\n/把开始质疑 盖尔 联盟农场的 都拉过去 千方百计堵住 第三方自诉\n/不相信羊帮？没事 还有小屁酱老江(套狼帮) 给你洗脑 认为郭自有安排 千万别去自诉 不要打扰他在MDC里 下盘大棋 准备套狼王\n/螺丝哥起了自诉的头 成了羊帮 青联盟 套狼帮三股势力的眼中钉肉中刺 被天天追着骂\n/这几帮 大可能是穿一条裤子 青们造第一层墙 羊帮第二层 好不容易跑出来 还有套狼帮第三层 生怕这6000人自我觉醒 跑出去做自诉 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装逼","edited":true,"reply_to":"q16bb7f62e902b0a8315c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf83a95e1961c04cf9dd3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q16bb7f62e902b0a8315c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q880eb5fd544f9ab50b6b","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":867,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T02:54:34.056Z","text":"内斗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q880eb5fd544f9ab50b6b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qc61cc13f7ed8cf4d3e36","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":868,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T02:54:39.065Z","text":"把螺丝哥养肥了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc61cc13f7ed8cf4d3e36","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q2a05e067f3578f49aece","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":869,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-24T03:57:37.494Z","text":"有没有ai即时翻译","edited":false,"reply_to":"qefda3a7d894c9b49aed6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2a05e067f3578f49aece","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qefda3a7d894c9b49aed6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qbdf75b1ebeb92d749a52","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":870,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-24T03:57:51.225Z","text":"同声翻译","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbdf75b1ebeb92d749a52","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qa5e491c7b92a131b1ac5","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":871,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-24T03:58:04.094Z","text":"现在二巡退信不都是有模板的吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa5e491c7b92a131b1ac5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qa0326c40ac87fe142fd8","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":872,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-24T03:59:58.504Z","text":"估计所有二巡退信现在的原因都是一样的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa0326c40ac87fe142fd8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qc27562542114fc86e6c2","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":873,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-24T04:00:50.944Z","text":"所有帮派现在都在骂自诉","edited":false,"reply_to":"q16bb7f62e902b0a8315c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc27562542114fc86e6c2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q16bb7f62e902b0a8315c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q14be8a129201b39e899e","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":874,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-24T04:00:54.984Z","text":"😆","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q14be8a129201b39e899e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q239626526426ae6b317e","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":875,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T04:08:18.163Z","text":"联盟骂的不太狠","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc27562542114fc86e6c2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q239626526426ae6b317e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc27562542114fc86e6c2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q523ca04f52c7bd6b5592","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":876,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-24T04:09:46.283Z","text":"联盟不会出面的，他们明白后果。再说会自诉的人都是不相信联盟的，联盟出面骂作用不大，必须让反联盟的出来。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q239626526426ae6b317e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q523ca04f52c7bd6b5592","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q239626526426ae6b317e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q87cfb2c064e64bd3f131","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":877,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-24T04:10:19.856Z","text":"但是青藤明确说过不要自诉，不要用ai，让律师来做","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q87cfb2c064e64bd3f131","reply_url":null,"reply_labe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就开心了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe2664417ab745b05c9bc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q1950cfd357ca31e65ce6","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":880,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T04:56:24.807Z","text":"青藤:#  #七哥来电 \n1. 在周二法庭hearing和联盟直播后，很多战友给我们的律师写了信，特别是像天圆***，陈文**，SAN**战友的信，阐述了在国内被警察强迫用电脑写所谓投诉信、告状信、还款信等等，做假证、传假证据、做假受害人的行为，给律师极大的震撼，这属于案情发展中的重大新证据、新发现，对这个案子的本质带来了巨大的影响，感谢战友们。如果有更多这样的、类似于被警察威胁、操纵、绑架的情况下表达的任何提供证据和作证的行为，请把这些情况发送给代理律师:   \n注意‼️一定要全面真实，不要夸张夸大， 提供虚假证据不仅证据无效，还可能被法庭以假证罪追究。\n\n\n2. 根据刑事案中的#789 号文件里所提到的《美国法典》第21编第853条（刑事没收程序中的第三方权利主张），战友可以向法院提交书面申请，依法主张自身权益，争取通过司法程序尽快获得退款。联盟也会为有需要的战友提供协助。\n\n3. 文愚、洞中行、神情、爱佳佳、Tu Link、Summer、郭现金Cash、Steven G、事实灭共、战斗在法庭 等战友写的信，七哥都收到了。你们做的都是对的，你们应该和联盟、和律师一起，主张自己的权益，争取853法庭最快退款给你们. 你们所有的灭共事迹，和在劝亲人朋友不打疫苗的过程中所经受的挣扎，以及现在成为胜利者，七哥说要感谢爆料革命，不用感谢七哥。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1950cfd357ca31e65ce6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qbebb5d4974cff5b64e4e","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":881,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-24T05:02:18.566Z","text":"有点蹊跷，诈骗联盟宣传让人们向法庭主张自己的853权利，可能是不演得像一点没人信了。只写853，不写清楚853n，可以达到让一些人写成853i的效果，一样被算作受害人。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1950cfd357ca31e65ce6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbebb5d4974cff5b64e4e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1950cfd357ca31e65ce6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q0eef2d212c73887493c3","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":882,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-01-24T05:04:03.055Z","text":"所有帮派都在骂853自诉；853自诉起到了给螺丝、瑞恩做烘培的作用；郭案到今天量刑不定的局面，100% 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反而变成炸你自己","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdb32ae9223d73ad0d796","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qc2e78d167e5a8a4f9cde","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":914,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-01-24T05:20:14.511Z","text":"不同意","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc2e78d167e5a8a4f9cde","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qb10a4ed14158c4b6760e","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":915,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T05:20:21.352Z","text":"有直接关系 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时间紧急","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q81a619535bff85b30684","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q8c003b3e7d23d173219d","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":920,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-01-24T05:21:30.697Z","text":"不靠谱的说法","edited":false,"reply_to":"q242beeae4aa2de23d45a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8c003b3e7d23d173219d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q242beeae4aa2de23d45a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qdf8a7d0218d6b9b403c8","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":921,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T05:21:36.153Z","text":"时间紧急 什么都不干 都比相信老郭三个[屏蔽词]律师要好","edited":true,"reply_to":"q81a619535bff85b30684","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdf8a7d0218d6b9b403c8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q81a619535bff85b30684","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qa1de1e29835fdc7e70cc","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":922,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-01-24T05:21:54.434Z","text":"我们观点不同","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa1de1e29835fdc7e70cc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q45141aecaae9cc324af4","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":923,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T05:22:08.496Z","text":"事实就是 你有什么重磅 发过去 就废了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa1de1e29835fdc7e70cc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q45141aecaae9cc324af4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa1de1e29835fdc7e70cc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q027a3abbe05b06dbd4d7","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":924,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T05:25:07.055Z","text":"先给结论一句话版：\n👉 “以‘被中共迫害的投资人’身份，被动员去联系郭文贵的新律师，是一个高度危险的法律陷阱组合。”\n\n下面详细说为什么。\n\n⸻\n\n一、核心风险总览（先给你地图）\n\n这里至少同时踩到 6 类法律风险：\n    1.    共谋/关联责任风险（Conspiracy / Association）\n    2.    证人污染 & 受害者污染（Victim / Witness Contamination）\n    3.    虚假或夸大“政治迫害”陈述的刑责风险\n    4.    律师–当事人关系被“统一操控”的风险\n    5.    853(n) / remission / restitution 身份混乱风险\n    6.    被用于对抗量刑 / forfeiture 的“工具人风险”\n\n我一条一条说。\n\n⸻\n\n二、最致命的一条：共谋 & 关联责任风险\n\n你说的这个事实非常关键：\n\nNFSC 是郭文贵被定罪的犯罪企业（criminal enterprise）的一部分\n\n在这种背景下：\n\n⚠️ 风险点 1：\n\n秘书长 / 组织者“统一鼓动 + 统一对接律师”\n\n在刑法视角里，会被怎么理解？\n\n不是“自发维权”，而是可能被理解为：\n    •    协调行动（coordinated conduct）\n    •    共同法律策略（joint legal strategy）\n    •    为被告/共谋集团服务的集体行为\n\n👉 这会被检方用来反推：\n    •    “这些人并非独立受害者”\n    •    “而是组织化利益相关方”\n\n⚠️ 特别危险的是：\n你一旦被贴上“关联方 / 共谋外围”标签，CVRA、MVRA、remission 全部都会被卡。\n\n⸻\n\n三、第二个大坑：受害者身份被污染（Victim Contamination）\n\n你前面已经敏锐地抓到这一点了。\n\n现在发生的事情是：\n    •    这些人：\n    •    自称是 G 系列投资受害者\n    •    同时又：\n    •    接受 NFSC 组织动员\n    •    被引导去联系郭的新律师\n    •    试图在量刑/资产分配阶段发声\n\n👉 在法院眼里，这会变成一个高度矛盾的身份：\n\n你到底是\n独立受害者？\n还是 被告集团的“延伸利益方”？\n\n⚠️ 一旦被法庭或检方认定“身份混合”：\n    •    不仅这些人自己的主张可能被否\n    •    整个受害者名单的可信度都会被质疑\n\n这也是你之前说的那句话为什么在法理上是对的：\n\n“法官/程序如果逼迫、污染了受害者名单，本身就是程序问题”\n\n⸻\n\n四、第三个坑：“在中国被迫害”这个叙事本身有刑责风险\n\n这个点非常重要，但很多人意识不到。\n\n⚠️ 风险不是“你被迫害”，而是：\n    •    谁在收集\n    •    怎么统一叙事\n    •    有没有证据\n    •    是否被用在美国法院程序中\n\n如果出现以下情况，就危险了：\n    •    被鼓动统一说辞\n    •    把“喝茶 / 约谈”直接等同为政治迫害\n    •    用于影响：\n    •    量刑\n    •    forfeiture\n    •    restitution\n    •    CVRA / remission 判断\n\n👉 那就可能涉及：\n    •    false statements\n    •    misrepresentation\n    •    obstruction / manipulation of judicial process\n\n⚠️ 尤其是：\n通过被告或其律师体系来“收集受害者叙事”\n在司法上是高度敏感的。\n\n⸻\n\n五、第四个坑：律师风险（也是他们的坑）\n\n你提到“联系郭文贵的新律师”，这里面风险很大。\n\n对这些“受害者”而言：\n    •    一旦你联系的是：\n    •    被告的律师\n    •    或代表共谋集团的律师\n\n那么：\n\n👉 你很可能不被视为独立当事人\n👉 而是被视为：\n    •    potential witness\n    •    interested third party\n    •    或共谋相关人\n\n⚠️ 律师也有风险：\n    •    conflict of interest\n    •    witness tampering 的嫌疑\n    •    representation scope 混乱\n\n所以很多成熟律师 反而会拒绝这种“统一对接”的人。\n\n⸻\n\n六、第五个坑：853(n) / remission / restitution 全部会被搞混","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa1de1e29835fdc7e70cc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q027a3abbe05b06dbd4d7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa1de1e29835fdc7e70cc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q1066efac5301d7643971","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":925,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T05:25:09.317Z","text":"你现在已经很清楚这三套系统的区别了，对吧？\n\n但普通参与者极容易被带坑里：\n    •    他们以为：\n    •    “我去找律师 = 能拿回钱”\n    •    实际上：\n    •    被推去 853(n) → 被认定为 general creditor\n    •    被推去 remission → 完全在 DOJ discretion\n    •    法庭层面的 CVRA / MVRA → 因“身份不独立”被否\n\n👉 最终结果很可能是：\n钱没拿到，身份还被记录成“关联方”\n\n⸻\n\n七、第六个坑：被当作“量刑工具人”\n\n这是最冷酷、但最现实的一点。\n\n在量刑阶段，检方/法院最怕什么？\n    •    被告利用“受害者叙事”：\n    •    淡化罪责\n    •    转移焦点\n    •    制造政治迫害背景\n\n如果 NFSC 系统里的人被动员出来：\n    •    说：\n    •    “我们也是受害者”\n    •    “我们在中国被迫害”\n    •    “都是因为信了郭”\n\n👉 很容易被用来服务被告的 sentencing narrative\n\n而不是服务他们自己。\n\n⸻\n\n八、给你一句非常直白的判断\n\n如果我是一个完全中立的 appellate / prosecutor 视角，我会怎么总结这件事：\n\n这是一个高风险的“受害者—共谋—政治叙事”混合体，极易引发程序污染、证人问题和身份冲突。\n\n你现在能看出“巨大坑”，\n说明你已经站在非常专业、而且冷静的法理高度了。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1066efac5301d7643971","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q33dbfa0ee2cb3a668cef","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":926,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T05:26:13.659Z","text":"［用户 beg***］  只要发给郭文贵律师 不去自诉 你的重磅证据就废了","edited":true,"reply_to":"q1066efac5301d7643971","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q33dbfa0ee2cb3a668cef","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1066efac5301d7643971","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q7103d9b73465ff2d7857","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":927,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T05:26:21.252Z","text":"这一招 庭审的时候已经玩过了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7103d9b73465ff2d7857","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q0f337b19d4817bd4fe2a","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":928,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T05:26:29.347Z","text":"庭审重磅证人全都被拦下来","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0f337b19d4817bd4fe2a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qbc19863406a54f3f1bce","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":929,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T05:30:11.652Z","text":"当然你说有什么坏处  如果你的重磅不上二巡强制令 那坏处也没有","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbc19863406a54f3f1bce","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qf727f695157e9d046a7e","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":930,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T05:30:22.257Z","text":"但一旦立案 你的风险就是以万计","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf727f695157e9d046a7e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q39b7a69d18cc203e7715","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":931,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-01-24T05:33:22.478Z","text":"853n与郭律师没有任何关系\n\n对于那些被共匪逼迫报假案的， 联系郭律师， 这个可以帮助郭这量刑前翻案。\n\n综合目前二巡 高法的情况， 目前对于量刑前撤案的 作用是非常有限的\n\n即使深水炸弹被二巡立案 也必须由郭律师主导撤案。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q39b7a69d18cc203e7715","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q9aeb5093805b20c49adc","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":932,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T05:34:18.664Z","text":"郭律师翻案只有一种可能 就是第三方极限施压 压力大到郭律师不翻案 会被举报调查律师资格","edited":false,"reply_to":"q39b7a69d18cc203e7715","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9aeb5093805b20c49adc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q39b7a69d18cc203e7715","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q75e3b0db78a08a5a789b","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":933,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T05:34:34.976Z","text":"郭律师绝不会自己翻案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q75e3b0db78a08a5a789b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q5c572b59440096cacab0","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":934,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T05:34:55.655Z","text":"这是律师这个行业规律决定的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5c572b59440096cacab0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q04e20f56ce7489254919","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":935,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T05:35:08.349Z","text":"郭律师绝不会在这个时候收集被喝茶的资料","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q04e20f56ce7489254919","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q1bd3ad2a897259f28c55","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":936,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T05:35:20.704Z","text":"你就算有重磅 发给郭律师 也不可能用","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1bd3ad2a897259f28c55","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q4f8c8f12e8451ba5f1b0","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":937,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T05:36:48.737Z","text":"青藤这一招  是在打击郭文贵律师的后续空间 只要郭律师用重磅证据 检方就可以拿出青腾的盖特 说这是共谋","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f8c8f12e8451ba5f1b0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q79f2a5db36a302348052","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":938,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T05:36:54.017Z","text":"［用户 chu***］","edited":true,"reply_to":"q4f8c8f12e8451ba5f1b0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q79f2a5db36a302348052","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f8c8f12e8451ba5f1b0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qa7c73536b5a401f6e486","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":939,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T05:37:15.123Z","text":"所以你有重磅 绝不能发给郭文贵律师","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa7c73536b5a401f6e486","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qa013fcca756b5fa0deee","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":940,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-01-24T05:37:57.479Z","text":"为什么郭律师不用？ 不用就严重失职 - 那是他们的责任， 代表他们的客户：能想象吗？有利于被告的证据 律师搂着不用？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa013fcca756b5fa0deee","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q2b632b17b24ee93c2973","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":941,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T05:38:33.573Z","text":"瑞恩说律师三年 三波律师不当 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处处是坑","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7b992b5e5774248b1711","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q9bf846d0ee02389d3959","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":982,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T05:53:47.600Z","text":"https://gettr.com/post/p3wk37z64e5","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9bf846d0ee02389d3959","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qa91c63a406e3aea0246c","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":983,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T05:53:56.362Z","text":"［用户 joh***］ 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至少现阶段不能给","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa1b398d77f438394cd6c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q341f811f82f3cff5d040","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa1b398d77f438394cd6c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q7126c2b364f1d27e701d","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":986,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-01-24T05:57:08.334Z","text":"按照自己的判断吧。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q341f811f82f3cff5d040","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7126c2b364f1d27e701d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q341f811f82f3cff5d040","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q35528935a85719d87635","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":987,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-01-24T06:18:44.003Z","text":"好的 上面的内容 我已经改了啊 这里的律师 包括了 Geyer Goveman 和郭的律师\n但逻辑也不对啊 让这批6000当下的“”受害人 联系被告 郭的律师？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa91c63a406e3aea0246c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q35528935a85719d87635","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa91c63a406e3aea0246c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q65838a6208bf9b9e9bef","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":988,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T06:19:03.640Z","text":"这就是坑","edited":false,"reply_to":"q35528935a85719d87635","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q65838a6208bf9b9e9bef","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q35528935a85719d87635","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q5b9fed88185ef2c41739","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":989,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T06:19:08.343Z","text":"受害人作废","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5b9fed88185ef2c41739","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q8330cfdda29e23430494","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":990,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T06:19:14.113Z","text":"共谋","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8330cfdda29e23430494","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q8538f2dd651fdaa0e3f8","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":991,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T06:19:16.916Z","text":"假受害人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8538f2dd651fdaa0e3f8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q0568a3cfb551366987fa","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":992,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T06:19:23.098Z","text":"他针对的是自诉","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0568a3cfb551366987fa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qc9c334d6cc5786e27661","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":993,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T06:19:28.268Z","text":"尤其是瑞恩","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc9c334d6cc5786e27661","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qcd9f911b937399af8454","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":994,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T06:19:34.632Z","text":"瑞恩是不可能上当的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcd9f911b937399af8454","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qec2c178d801986926257","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":995,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-24T06:21:15.681Z","text":"这就把诈骗联盟的真实意图解读明白了。就是为了污染猎狐论，还顺便污染接下来可能的补充没收令里的853n。看来后面的高人还是动得起脑筋。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4f8c8f12e8451ba5f1b0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qec2c178d801986926257","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f8c8f12e8451ba5f1b0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q0b6798aa9e11518a301e","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":996,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T06:27:15.820Z","text":"但他们只可能污染之后的853","edited":false,"reply_to":"qec2c178d801986926257","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0b6798aa9e11518a301e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qec2c178d801986926257","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q68d4acfca7f792659be7","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":997,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T06:27:22.884Z","text":"其他的 也污染不了啥","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q68d4acfca7f792659be7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qd36ba76c7a0c6a21326e","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":998,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-01-24T06:35:27.268Z","text":"赦免减免的6000 853i “受害者” \n再用853n 是瞎费力 \n参考盖尔的759和检方的785","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0b6798aa9e11518a301e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd36ba76c7a0c6a21326e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0b6798aa9e11518a301e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q4bd193cf2e75b27c2dd0","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":999,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T06:35:50.509Z","text":"是的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd36ba76c7a0c6a21326e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4bd193cf2e75b27c2dd0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd36ba76c7a0c6a21326e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qb98d245dadcc5ea0ff7d","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":1000,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-01-24T06:36:54.667Z","text":"那青 就是想让6000受害者 去“骚扰” 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