{"id":"batch-000072","number":72,"revision":2,"date_start":"2026-01-21T03:13:03.986Z","date_end":"2026-01-24T06:36:54.667Z","total_messages":1000,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 072 (Jan 21, 2026 – Jan 24, 2026), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Discussions centered on post-sentencing restitution and evidentiary channels, focusing on distinctions among the CVRA, MVRA, and 21 U.S.C. § 853(n) and 853(i), particularly whether victim status must precede asset claims. Participants disputed procedural requirements, debating whether all motions require formal docketing and how judicial silence should be construed between the Southern District of New York and Second Circuit. Technical concerns over evidentiary authenticity and service failures intersected with allegations of organizational manipulation.","guide_en":[{"title":"CVRA, MVRA, and Restitution Claim Boundaries: Whether CVRA Serves as a Direct Channel for Recovery","description":"Participants dispute whether CVRA submissions constitute direct monetary demands and debate court docketing obligations.","message_ids":["q12d767018d25c3441079","qebfe746df102f2b28b9c","q9a917823f3cdbf744b61"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q12d767018d25c3441079","summary_en":"him*** contends that submitting a CVRA filing does not equate to asking for money."},{"message_id":"qebfe746df102f2b28b9c","summary_en":"him*** argues that the court should not delay docketing private claims or Section 853(n) petitions."},{"message_id":"q9a917823f3cdbf744b61","summary_en":"him*** criticizes the withholding of docketing for CVRA procedural issues."}]},{"title":"Disagreements Over Mandatory Motion Docketing and Processing 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thousands to roughly 140 misrepresents the underlying victim certification and remission processes."}]},{"title":"Authenticity of Evidentiary Sources: Scrutiny Over Recordings, Meeting Manuscripts, and Third-Party Texts","description":"Participants question the admissibility and authenticity of unverified meeting transcripts and recordings.","message_ids":["qefbf65d238764608ff54","q36f64af4789110437ced","q8919108f6568cd565983"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qefbf65d238764608ff54","summary_en":"beg*** asks whether complete meeting recordings and manuscripts will be posted to CourtListener."},{"message_id":"q36f64af4789110437ced","summary_en":"kir*** emphasizes that the authenticity of the materials must be confirmed."},{"message_id":"q8919108f6568cd565983","summary_en":"him*** asks whether the referenced material derives from a meeting between attorney Victor and group leadership."}]},{"title":"Procedural Regularity in Service Chains: Returned Mail, Missing Delivery, and Notice 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现在理论上 就可以让二巡介入了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q27f58bb6696cca078e69","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qabac6dfb295b0a0d6fbb","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":802,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-01-23T21:19:12.472Z","text":"关于文件入卷： 如果地方法院未能在“合理时间内”将其提交的文件登记入卷，他有权重新向巡回法院申请 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二巡不会管","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf510ebce426fb97d2475","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q2e8d9d9d5d5348be1c38","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":827,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-23T21:35:36.754Z","text":"二巡只会根据程序来","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2e8d9d9d5d5348be1c38","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qa365a5d35dbbf0694220","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":828,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-23T21:36:33.886Z","text":"不用二巡管，只要南区把动议传上去，公开出来就行了，当初不就是为了给上诉准备证据吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa365a5d35dbbf0694220","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qbf08b52f3502cd1df148","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":829,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-23T21:37:13.614Z","text":"被告上诉只有一次机会","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbf08b52f3502cd1df148","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q50f9b603075d1f5a077e","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":830,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-01-23T21:39:08.592Z","text":"我刚收到南区法院寄来的 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再也没理[删节：隐私信息]","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa78c4ef09869b0303391","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qe2b414078208b9d2b3ed","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":893,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-01-24T05:09:39.921Z","text":"不同意。直接联系郭律师。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc00613e7680ea44a58c6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe2b414078208b9d2b3ed","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc00613e7680ea44a58c6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q7355df6029b3a812e19a","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":894,"speaker":"pz0***","date":"2026-01-24T05:10:05.065Z","text":"其实青藤这么搞也是郭文贵这个老师教的，不然你们以为喜交所要投资人的个人身份信息做什么","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7355df6029b3a812e19a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qb23dc50d87eb33cbd04a","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":895,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T05:10:08.885Z","text":"如果melinda有半点法律博弈思维","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb23dc50d87eb33cbd04a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q7ea786ff36712b4424b1","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":896,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T05:10:18.606Z","text":"司法欺诈这个惊天功劳就是她的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7ea786ff36712b4424b1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q7e40276e47d558743260","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":897,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-01-24T05:11:55.492Z","text":"退一步想： 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协议性质的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q949cce5341f598137372","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qb5b9c3bbfe8691aceb60","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":909,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T05:19:38.863Z","text":"共谋犯介绍的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb5b9c3bbfe8691aceb60","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q372f6c88656feeb966f8","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":910,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T05:19:41.632Z","text":"老郭律师","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q372f6c88656feeb966f8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q6a9e37f7a6183bc0825e","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":911,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T05:19:45.343Z","text":"全都是干扰司法","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6a9e37f7a6183bc0825e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q121f26e5ed3630b140cf","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":912,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-01-24T05:19:54.205Z","text":"被共匪迫害 被迫做假证的， 这些对于推翻案件有直接关系","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q121f26e5ed3630b140cf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qdb32ae9223d73ad0d796","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":913,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T05:20:01.691Z","text":"你的重磅炸弹 到了郭律师手里 反而变成炸你自己","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdb32ae9223d73ad0d796","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qc2e78d167e5a8a4f9cde","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":914,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-01-24T05:20:14.511Z","text":"不同意","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc2e78d167e5a8a4f9cde","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qb10a4ed14158c4b6760e","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":915,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T05:20:21.352Z","text":"有直接关系 自己上强制令","edited":false,"reply_to":"q121f26e5ed3630b140cf","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb10a4ed14158c4b6760e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q121f26e5ed3630b140cf","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q424178b38462320f6cdb","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":916,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T05:20:41.709Z","text":"青藤是诈骗犯","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q424178b38462320f6cdb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qdfcb8274631cb6f1a25e","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":917,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T05:20:56.432Z","text":"他让联系律师","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdfcb8274631cb6f1a25e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q242beeae4aa2de23d45a","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":918,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T05:21:06.551Z","text":"你的炸弹就是共谋行为","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q242beeae4aa2de23d45a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q81a619535bff85b30684","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":919,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-01-24T05:21:09.344Z","text":"问题是到现在强制令还没出现在二巡； 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都比相信老郭三个[屏蔽词]律师要好","edited":true,"reply_to":"q81a619535bff85b30684","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdf8a7d0218d6b9b403c8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q81a619535bff85b30684","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qa1de1e29835fdc7e70cc","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":922,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-01-24T05:21:54.434Z","text":"我们观点不同","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa1de1e29835fdc7e70cc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q45141aecaae9cc324af4","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":923,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T05:22:08.496Z","text":"事实就是 你有什么重磅 发过去 就废了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa1de1e29835fdc7e70cc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q45141aecaae9cc324af4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa1de1e29835fdc7e70cc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q027a3abbe05b06dbd4d7","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":924,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T05:25:07.055Z","text":"先给结论一句话版：\n👉 “以‘被中共迫害的投资人’身份，被动员去联系郭文贵的新律师，是一个高度危险的法律陷阱组合。”\n\n下面详细说为什么。\n\n⸻\n\n一、核心风险总览（先给你地图）\n\n这里至少同时踩到 6 类法律风险：\n    1.    共谋/关联责任风险（Conspiracy / Association）\n    2.    证人污染 & 受害者污染（Victim / Witness Contamination）\n    3.    虚假或夸大“政治迫害”陈述的刑责风险\n    4.    律师–当事人关系被“统一操控”的风险\n    5.    853(n) / remission / restitution 身份混乱风险\n    6.    被用于对抗量刑 / forfeiture 的“工具人风险”\n\n我一条一条说。\n\n⸻\n\n二、最致命的一条：共谋 & 关联责任风险\n\n你说的这个事实非常关键：\n\nNFSC 是郭文贵被定罪的犯罪企业（criminal enterprise）的一部分\n\n在这种背景下：\n\n⚠️ 风险点 1：\n\n秘书长 / 组织者“统一鼓动 + 统一对接律师”\n\n在刑法视角里，会被怎么理解？\n\n不是“自发维权”，而是可能被理解为：\n    •    协调行动（coordinated conduct）\n    •    共同法律策略（joint legal strategy）\n    •    为被告/共谋集团服务的集体行为\n\n👉 这会被检方用来反推：\n    •    “这些人并非独立受害者”\n    •    “而是组织化利益相关方”\n\n⚠️ 特别危险的是：\n你一旦被贴上“关联方 / 共谋外围”标签，CVRA、MVRA、remission 全部都会被卡。\n\n⸻\n\n三、第二个大坑：受害者身份被污染（Victim Contamination）\n\n你前面已经敏锐地抓到这一点了。\n\n现在发生的事情是：\n    •    这些人：\n    •    自称是 G 系列投资受害者\n    •    同时又：\n    •    接受 NFSC 组织动员\n    •    被引导去联系郭的新律师\n    •    试图在量刑/资产分配阶段发声\n\n👉 在法院眼里，这会变成一个高度矛盾的身份：\n\n你到底是\n独立受害者？\n还是 被告集团的“延伸利益方”？\n\n⚠️ 一旦被法庭或检方认定“身份混合”：\n    •    不仅这些人自己的主张可能被否\n    •    整个受害者名单的可信度都会被质疑\n\n这也是你之前说的那句话为什么在法理上是对的：\n\n“法官/程序如果逼迫、污染了受害者名单，本身就是程序问题”\n\n⸻\n\n四、第三个坑：“在中国被迫害”这个叙事本身有刑责风险\n\n这个点非常重要，但很多人意识不到。\n\n⚠️ 风险不是“你被迫害”，而是：\n    •    谁在收集\n    •    怎么统一叙事\n    •    有没有证据\n    •    是否被用在美国法院程序中\n\n如果出现以下情况，就危险了：\n    •    被鼓动统一说辞\n    •    把“喝茶 / 约谈”直接等同为政治迫害\n    •    用于影响：\n    •    量刑\n    •    forfeiture\n    •    restitution\n    •    CVRA / remission 判断\n\n👉 那就可能涉及：\n    •    false statements\n    •    misrepresentation\n    •    obstruction / manipulation of judicial process\n\n⚠️ 尤其是：\n通过被告或其律师体系来“收集受害者叙事”\n在司法上是高度敏感的。\n\n⸻\n\n五、第四个坑：律师风险（也是他们的坑）\n\n你提到“联系郭文贵的新律师”，这里面风险很大。\n\n对这些“受害者”而言：\n    •    一旦你联系的是：\n    •    被告的律师\n    •    或代表共谋集团的律师\n\n那么：\n\n👉 你很可能不被视为独立当事人\n👉 而是被视为：\n    •    potential witness\n    •    interested third party\n    •    或共谋相关人\n\n⚠️ 律师也有风险：\n    •    conflict of interest\n    •    witness tampering 的嫌疑\n    •    representation scope 混乱\n\n所以很多成熟律师 反而会拒绝这种“统一对接”的人。\n\n⸻\n\n六、第五个坑：853(n) / remission / restitution 全部会被搞混","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa1de1e29835fdc7e70cc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q027a3abbe05b06dbd4d7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa1de1e29835fdc7e70cc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q1066efac5301d7643971","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":925,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T05:25:09.317Z","text":"你现在已经很清楚这三套系统的区别了，对吧？\n\n但普通参与者极容易被带坑里：\n    •    他们以为：\n    •    “我去找律师 = 能拿回钱”\n    •    实际上：\n    •    被推去 853(n) → 被认定为 general creditor\n    •    被推去 remission → 完全在 DOJ discretion\n    •    法庭层面的 CVRA / MVRA → 因“身份不独立”被否\n\n👉 最终结果很可能是：\n钱没拿到，身份还被记录成“关联方”\n\n⸻\n\n七、第六个坑：被当作“量刑工具人”\n\n这是最冷酷、但最现实的一点。\n\n在量刑阶段，检方/法院最怕什么？\n    •    被告利用“受害者叙事”：\n    •    淡化罪责\n    •    转移焦点\n    •    制造政治迫害背景\n\n如果 NFSC 系统里的人被动员出来：\n    •    说：\n    •    “我们也是受害者”\n    •    “我们在中国被迫害”\n    •    “都是因为信了郭”\n\n👉 很容易被用来服务被告的 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现在唯一的翻盘机会就是去二巡","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q797a377021345099e3f7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q03ccfd78dd7b6ccec03b","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":949,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T05:40:59.626Z","text":"联系郭律师 期望他们能代理你 那是做梦","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q03ccfd78dd7b6ccec03b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q2162e2ef151b23a69c32","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":950,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-01-24T05:41:03.774Z","text":"二巡不立案呢？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2162e2ef151b23a69c32","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q3c559114f1f2cfacd221","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":951,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T05:41:20.269Z","text":"立案都是自己的造化 自诉就是自己代表自己","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2162e2ef151b23a69c32","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3c559114f1f2cfacd221","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2162e2ef151b23a69c32","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q2d224eda76e65654ca31","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":952,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T05:41:40.419Z","text":"你就算有翻案的证据 郭律师绝不可能用","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2d224eda76e65654ca31","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q7d7bb3bd7f5c343ec5a2","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":953,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T05:41:53.547Z","text":"郭律师要用 也在量刑后","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7d7bb3bd7f5c343ec5a2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qafc52ed42d4e677202c2","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":954,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T05:42:02.808Z","text":"现在绝不可能收集这些证据","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qafc52ed42d4e677202c2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q7ca3a1e3b901f1c022c8","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":955,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-01-24T05:42:11.941Z","text":"我的意思是 深水炸弹如果二巡不立案呢？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7ca3a1e3b901f1c022c8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qb1775e4ea332c534ede3","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":956,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T05:42:21.881Z","text":"这就是瑞恩的事情了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7ca3a1e3b901f1c022c8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb1775e4ea332c534ede3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7ca3a1e3b901f1c022c8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q2a0ed56424ee10467221","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":957,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T05:42:32.673Z","text":"每个人做好自己的就可以了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2a0ed56424ee10467221","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q46c2a8ee35ce3255d327","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":958,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T05:42:58.625Z","text":"自诉 就是自己代办自己 自己对自己负责","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q46c2a8ee35ce3255d327","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q8ed6be60e2ca174764da","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":959,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T05:43:03.374Z","text":"自己的证据 自己提交","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ed6be60e2ca174764da","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q79a5d93c18f77cbfa1fa","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":960,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-01-24T05:43:13.919Z","text":"意思是郭律师目前不想翻案？ 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已经大逆不道了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q77641ad002ed624d9b14","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q9b2fc9d161b639ddb95e","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":965,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-01-24T05:44:12.351Z","text":"郭/郭律师之所以延期 就是因为要在量刑前翻案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9b2fc9d161b639ddb95e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qf3f10d541ba02454c1ba","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":966,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-01-24T05:44:45.513Z","text":"大家也可以问问机器人： 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郭的律师？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa91c63a406e3aea0246c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q35528935a85719d87635","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa91c63a406e3aea0246c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q65838a6208bf9b9e9bef","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":988,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T06:19:03.640Z","text":"这就是坑","edited":false,"reply_to":"q35528935a85719d87635","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q65838a6208bf9b9e9bef","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q35528935a85719d87635","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q5b9fed88185ef2c41739","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":989,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T06:19:08.343Z","text":"受害人作废","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5b9fed88185ef2c41739","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q8330cfdda29e23430494","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":990,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T06:19:14.113Z","text":"共谋","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8330cfdda29e23430494","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q8538f2dd651fdaa0e3f8","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":991,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T06:19:16.916Z","text":"假受害人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8538f2dd651fdaa0e3f8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q0568a3cfb551366987fa","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":992,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T06:19:23.098Z","text":"他针对的是自诉","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0568a3cfb551366987fa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qc9c334d6cc5786e27661","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":993,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T06:19:28.268Z","text":"尤其是瑞恩","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc9c334d6cc5786e27661","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qcd9f911b937399af8454","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":994,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T06:19:34.632Z","text":"瑞恩是不可能上当的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcd9f911b937399af8454","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"qec2c178d801986926257","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":995,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-24T06:21:15.681Z","text":"这就把诈骗联盟的真实意图解读明白了。就是为了污染猎狐论，还顺便污染接下来可能的补充没收令里的853n。看来后面的高人还是动得起脑筋。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4f8c8f12e8451ba5f1b0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qec2c178d801986926257","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f8c8f12e8451ba5f1b0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q0b6798aa9e11518a301e","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":996,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T06:27:15.820Z","text":"但他们只可能污染之后的853","edited":false,"reply_to":"qec2c178d801986926257","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0b6798aa9e11518a301e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qec2c178d801986926257","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000072"},{"id":"q68d4acfca7f792659be7","batch_id":"batch-000072","seq":997,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-24T06:27:22.884Z","text":"其他的 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