{"id":"batch-000073","number":73,"revision":1,"date_start":"2026-01-24T06:58:01.925Z","date_end":"2026-01-26T19:34:13.461Z","total_messages":1000,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 073 (Jan 24, 2026 – Jan 26, 2026), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Participants debated procedural avenues and overarching case narratives without reaching consensus. While some suspected traffic diversion and narrative manipulation, others insisted on adhering strictly to deadlines, existing filings, and docket references like 789. Core disputes centered on whether Section 853(n) petitions and CVRA actions could proceed concurrently alongside Second Circuit mandamus appeals. Further disagreements emerged over victim classification among 6,000 claimants versus 134 individuals, alongside concerns regarding representation and potential collusion with external counsel.","guide_en":[{"title":"Dispute Over Alleged Narrative Manipulation and Victim Scale","description":"Participants dispute whether narrative manipulation and traffic diversion are being deployed to control victim representation.","message_ids":["q353863dcbd5d88663adc","q1660446b1593633334fd","q9965f2e36b44e2a9de65"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q353863dcbd5d88663adc","summary_en":"joh*** contends that leadership factions use traffic diversion and narrative management to keep followers from claiming victim status under the belief they can recover funds through Section 853(n)."},{"message_id":"q1660446b1593633334fd","summary_en":"joh*** argues that circulating defense counsel's email constitutes narrative manipulation tied to legal warfare mentioned in 789, asserting that defense lawyers cannot use evidence supplied by victims."},{"message_id":"q9965f2e36b44e2a9de65","summary_en":"joh*** describes how unrepresented claimants submitting Section 853(n) petitions mistakenly relied on remission forms provided by organizers while remaining legally classified as victims."}]},{"title":"Debate on the Concurrency, Deadlines, and Sequencing of Section 853(n) and the CVRA","description":"Participants dispute whether Section 853(n) proceedings and CVRA actions can proceed simultaneously in light of lapsed deadlines.","message_ids":["q2c5fb39c3cbac94f8675","qcc025bade0614ccac5eb","q8e467f6f063fa94fe92f"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q2c5fb39c3cbac94f8675","summary_en":"ntp*** contends that Section 853 governs financial claims while the CVRA addresses procedural questions, allowing both to move forward concurrently."},{"message_id":"qcc025bade0614ccac5eb","summary_en":"roy*** recalls that the filing window for Section 853(n) petitions closed on Oct 22 of the prior year, asserting that no further submissions can be accepted."},{"message_id":"q8e467f6f063fa94fe92f","summary_en":"him*** disputes the clarity of the current schedule, questioning when Section 853(n) proceedings officially open or conclude."}]},{"title":"Concerns Over Evidence Tainting, Counsel Channels, and Undermining Motions","description":"Participants debate whether routing victim materials through defense counsel risks allegations of collusion and invalidates pending motions.","message_ids":["qab530bcd86779edbbbac","q264ede0c5da1c0e8ca92","q901907ca649c8169f416"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qab530bcd86779edbbbac","summary_en":"ntp*** questions the relationship between attorneys and the alliance, expressing concern that submitting materials to lawyers effectively delivers them to the alliance."},{"message_id":"q264ede0c5da1c0e8ca92","summary_en":"ntp*** contends that directing victims to contact defense attorneys could lead to allegations of collusion between opposing parties, thereby tainting victims and nullifying their motions."},{"message_id":"q901907ca649c8169f416","summary_en":"ntp*** observes that the cited retained counsel was not explicitly identified by name."}]},{"title":"Contested Definitions Between Third-Party Claimants, Creditors, and Recognized Victims","description":"Participants argue over the legal boundaries distinguishing third-party petitioners, bankruptcy creditors, and recognized crime victims.","message_ids":["qf9e254eff512c67d2f7a","qfb4666fb8dae4999a75c","qf70ae19b8f2ea0982d24"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qf9e254eff512c67d2f7a","summary_en":"joh*** argues that defense counsel in 789 sought to verify the authenticity of victim qualifications rather than asserting that no victims exist."},{"message_id":"qfb4666fb8dae4999a75c","summary_en":"joh*** recounts facing hostility from various factions for pursuing Section 853(n) third-party claims and CVRA appeals to the Second Circuit, alleging coordinated efforts to contain the case in the Southern 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that prior outreach to former defense counsel went unheeded and argues that the 134 claimants should cooperate with current counsel before sentencing to establish the facts."}]},{"title":"Boundaries of Representation: External Retainers, Individual Responsibility, and Conflicts of Interest","description":"Participants debate whether claimants should terminate alliance-appointed legal counsel to pursue individual self-representation.","message_ids":["qdf25bff445e60ed9a45b","q9ff7902c25c3c378b69a","q33106b581745e78ff5b9"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qdf25bff445e60ed9a45b","summary_en":"chu*** contends that claimants must act with full independence, warning that alliance-coordinated letters to lawyers and court filings under Section 853(n) could obstruct justice and taint favorable evidence."},{"message_id":"q9ff7902c25c3c378b69a","summary_en":"roy*** asks whether claimants should email attorney Gair to revoke representation and whether submitting Section 853(n) petitions at this stage remains effective."},{"message_id":"q33106b581745e78ff5b9","summary_en":"hel*** contends that submitting filings remains useful."}]},{"title":"Shift Toward Independent Self-Representation and Decentralized Filings","description":"Participants discuss moving away from collective representation toward independent individual filings guided by peer experience.","message_ids":["q63aed7c7387f16cdf2d4","q5ce46fd0923e50833232","q9228d03de33c746565b8"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q63aed7c7387f16cdf2d4","summary_en":"hel*** asks if fellow participants can assist in preparing petition materials for pro se claimants."},{"message_id":"q5ce46fd0923e50833232","summary_en":"roy*** explains that members should review previous group discussions and draft filings individually rather than participating in collective form submissions organized by the alliance."},{"message_id":"q9228d03de33c746565b8","summary_en":"roy*** emphasizes that each participant acts independently and represents only themselves."}]},{"title":"Divergent Expectations Regarding Second Circuit Appeals and Mandamus Petitions","description":"Participants dispute the feasibility and prospects of pursuing appellate review and writ of mandamus petitions before the Second Circuit.","message_ids":["q79f1cc86631e81c4af09","q691b0a21c84fd674074a","q56a1e6dc8802c581827a"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q79f1cc86631e81c4af09","summary_en":"beg*** recalls earlier discussions anticipating that the Second Circuit would deny the mandamus petitions and asks what steps follow."},{"message_id":"q691b0a21c84fd674074a","summary_en":"kir*** contends that petitioners can subsequently seek review before the Supreme Court."},{"message_id":"q56a1e6dc8802c581827a","summary_en":"kir*** argues that Judge Torres's team appears completely disoriented by ongoing developments."}]},{"title":"Scrutiny of Social Media Sources, Automated Bots, and Conflicting Procedural Logic","description":"Participants evaluate whether automated bot feeds 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questions how the court can determine which pro se petitioners were incited by co-conspirators and which were not."},{"message_id":"q1da2eec22e7888278007","summary_en":"him*** contends that some individuals likely filed petitions based on their own independent reasoning."},{"message_id":"qbc95d6cf055e2038679b","summary_en":"him*** argues that if a pro se filing targets the alliance farms directly, it clearly operates independently of the alliance."}]},{"title":"Strategic Division Over Section 853(n) Reopening, CVRA Petitions, and Restructured Motions","description":"Participants dispute whether to wait for Section 853(n) proceedings to reopen or to proceed immediately under the CVRA.","message_ids":["q8cc7eca5d7a699e94c02","q4d3a76f9c333e3747383","q4e8192f435ced28a46fe"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q8cc7eca5d7a699e94c02","summary_en":"him*** contends that Section 853(n) claim proceedings may be reopened in the future."},{"message_id":"q4d3a76f9c333e3747383","summary_en":"him*** observes 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instead."},{"message_id":"q8a9a28078c6d9e96ed19","summary_en":"kir*** describes being uncertain about the specific procedures involved."}]}],"summary":"讨论围绕该案的程序与叙事两条线同时展开，且没有形成稳定共识。整体争辩从“谁在定义受害者”转向“程序可否成立、哪条路径可执行”。部分成员认为存在“引流/维稳”与舆论操控倾向，另一些人则强调以现有文件、时效与规则为准，反对先验定性。核心分歧集中在853N与CVRA、以及后续二巡/强制令的可行性：有观点相信并用与逐步推进，有观点坚持成功概率低。受害人身份在6000人、134人、普通债权人与个别投资者之间长期摇摆，导致“钱是否能回、谁可主张”与“谁可代诉”难闭环。另有显著分歧在外部律师和联盟角色，既有人担忧利益冲突与共谋化风险，也有人要求保留独立自诉和留存程序瑕疵。部分讨论进一步转向证据链与披露时序，出现更务实的操作思路：控制提交节奏、聚焦可反驳材料、避免过早扩散叙事。","guide":[{"title":"争议焦点之一：是否存在“引流/维稳”叙事分裂，反复把规模问题与真实动机对立起来","message_ids":["q353863dcbd5d88663adc","q1660446b1593633334fd","q9965f2e36b44e2a9de65"]},{"title":"853N与CVRA可否并行、时效与程序顺序是否失效，成讨论的结构化主线","message_ids":["q2c5fb39c3cbac94f8675","qcc025bade0614ccac5eb","q8e467f6f063fa94fe92f"]},{"title":"受害材料与律师通道是否会被“共谋化”或降低动议效力，属于持续的证据可信性争论","message_ids":["qab530bcd86779edbbbac","q264ede0c5da1c0e8ca92","q901907ca649c8169f416"]},{"title":"“谁是受害者”定义反复拉扯：第三方自诉、债权人角色与认定边界未统一","message_ids":["qf9e254eff512c67d2f7a","qfb4666fb8dae4999a75c","qf70ae19b8f2ea0982d24"]},{"title":"“6000人/134人”是否可控撤案及代表性问题：群体规模与核心个体权重对立","message_ids":["q7ea368552a25a498d6a2","qa676d018841795f92107","q163e75259a1100cf813d"]},{"title":"律师与联盟介入边界：是否外请代理、是否应回到自己负责，亦牵涉利益冲突疑虑","message_ids":["qdf25bff445e60ed9a45b","q9ff7902c25c3c378b69a","q33106b581745e78ff5b9"]},{"title":"关键转折：从“是否代填”转向“每人独立自诉+群内经验落地”，主张程序操作更分散","message_ids":["q63aed7c7387f16cdf2d4","q5ce46fd0923e50833232","q9228d03de33c746565b8"]},{"title":"二巡、二审及强制令路径预期分化：有人看好推进，更多人强调成功率低与取向保守","message_ids":["q79f1cc86631e81c4af09","q691b0a21c84fd674074a","q56a1e6dc8802c581827a"]},{"title":"信息源与传播方式被质疑，机器人与社媒线索是否误导、是否混淆853n与受害者逻辑","message_ids":["q10c481172ac34e31e3f8","qc5c97981b8f1391c72b8","qa2f705c45dbdcacd16ca"]},{"title":"举证责任转向：主张共谋或污染须有证据，否则强调可反驳，程序与实体都需支撑","message_ids":["q6d2d1a80e4df2a2f88d9","q1da2eec22e7888278007","qbc95d6cf055e2038679b"]},{"title":"策略分叉在于853N是否终止或重开：是否改走CVRA、先提notice还是重组动议","message_ids":["q8cc7eca5d7a699e94c02","q4d3a76f9c333e3747383","q4e8192f435ced28a46fe"]},{"title":"财产与没收路线争议：853I/853N、remission、追回资金是否并行推进仍不一致","message_ids":["q1fb3fbeb76bc28ccc416","qdd94bec22925547b7851","q8a9a28078c6d9e96ed19"]}],"closed":true,"is_finalized":true,"updated_at":"2026-09-06T16:41:59.543Z","notice":"这里汇集爆料革命参与者围绕郭文贵案的持续讨论，包括长期深度参与者及自述投入真金白银的投资者。他们分享亲历过程、资金投入与后续遭遇，并结合案卷展开追问、核对和观点交锋。这些来自事件内部的经验与细节，为理解事件经过和投资者处境提供了外部报道之外的重要视角。请结合具体发言判断其经历与依据，引用时保留发言者、时间和上下文。","content_type":"discussion_batch","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000073/pages/5","base_batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000073","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000073/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-batches/batch-000073?page=5","page":5,"page_size":200,"total_pages":5,"has_more":false,"next_url":null,"prev_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-batches/batch-000073?page=4","messages":[{"id":"q8016b7b03cabef5fdb36","batch_id":"batch-000073","seq":801,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-01-26T09:21:10.504Z","text":"说明他们背后老板 和Xi不是一路的 \n别人内部抓下属 关你屁事\n除非是要把火 往中-美对抗上引\n借刀杀人 弄掉Xi 美国就太平了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8016b7b03cabef5fdb36","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000073"},{"id":"qc0b7201549e4323ed33e","batch_id":"batch-000073","seq":802,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-26T10:26:01.245Z","text":"越南人是不能用853n的，因为他说郭骗了他。用853n是不能承认被骗的。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1b9eff96214cfeea446d","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc0b7201549e4323ed33e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000073"},{"id":"q0cb1d2caf1c4215ed392","batch_id":"batch-000073","seq":803,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-26T10:26:14.998Z","text":"我不知道他的律师是怎么搞的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0cb1d2caf1c4215ed392","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000073"},{"id":"q176f0a108738e7fe8933","batch_id":"batch-000073","seq":804,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-26T10:26:35.630Z","text":"他还是有律师的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q176f0a108738e7fe8933","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000073"},{"id":"qf3ff29c9529ea4d12329","batch_id":"batch-000073","seq":805,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-26T10:26:45.899Z","text":"真的有律师的，不能这么做的吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf3ff29c9529ea4d12329","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000073"},{"id":"q3a508e0fa42a062fa744","batch_id":"batch-000073","seq":806,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-26T10:27:06.007Z","text":"他才是混淆","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3a508e0fa42a062fa744","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000073"},{"id":"q42d48e3a946bf8d3c675","batch_id":"batch-000073","seq":807,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-26T10:27:47.251Z","text":"看南区把他算做啥，如果算成853那托雷斯就又不打自招了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q42d48e3a946bf8d3c675","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000073"},{"id":"qda70dfcd57709fa049b1","batch_id":"batch-000073","seq":808,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-26T10:28:05.399Z","text":"恶意违规","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qda70dfcd57709fa049b1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000073"},{"id":"qba67404bd12c43546d93","batch_id":"batch-000073","seq":809,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-26T10:28:09.342Z","text":"所以托雷斯才说有些人混淆自己的身份","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qba67404bd12c43546d93","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000073"},{"id":"q45e85e1e50c9a01f3f0b","batch_id":"batch-000073","seq":810,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-26T10:28:31.790Z","text":"所以她就是该回避换人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q45e85e1e50c9a01f3f0b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000073"},{"id":"q2d2e959e69c36c882a91","batch_id":"batch-000073","seq":811,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-26T10:28:34.830Z","text":"越南人是来污染853n的吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2d2e959e69c36c882a91","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000073"},{"id":"qcd6cc8d503788d2ee3c6","batch_id":"batch-000073","seq":812,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-26T10:28:55.846Z","text":"他污染不了，他自己找的律师","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcd6cc8d503788d2ee3c6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000073"},{"id":"qe690dc0f5b8d84d002c6","batch_id":"batch-000073","seq":813,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-26T10:29:23.643Z","text":"他的出现给了法官一个抓手，说有人身份混淆","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe690dc0f5b8d84d002c6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url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当例子\n用了秃顶 受害 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怎么办🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd8fe574ec8f9a5e97081","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q61ae566c850dcda1e453","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd8fe574ec8f9a5e97081","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000073"},{"id":"q919166c6e241c9a25ce7","batch_id":"batch-000073","seq":923,"speaker":"mol***","date":"2026-01-26T12:37:46.562Z","text":"喜交所Geyer代理的6000人应该是走的853(n)吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q919166c6e241c9a25ce7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000073"},{"id":"q5d84f4c421ba2bf40c8d","batch_id":"batch-000073","seq":924,"speaker":"mol***","date":"2026-01-26T12:38:00.685Z","text":"https://bragey5.dreamhosters.com/%e6%8f%90%e4%ba%a4%e5%ae%a3%e8%aa%93%e4%b9%a6/","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d84f4c421ba2bf40c8d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000073"},{"id":"q342b182f0d6522f871bc","batch_id":"batch-000073","seq":925,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-26T12:47:57.469Z","text":"盖尔什么都走","edited":false,"reply_to":"q919166c6e241c9a25ce7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q342b182f0d6522f871bc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q919166c6e241c9a25ce7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000073"},{"id":"q4e3ed106e1d1970ca4b1","batch_id":"batch-000073","seq":926,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-26T12:48:25.029Z","text":"853n， 853i， cvra, 40g","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4e3ed106e1d1970ca4b1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000073"},{"id":"q45c2a24d568e80b03d85","batch_id":"batch-000073","seq":927,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-26T12:49:07.384Z","text":"只要是能引用的法条，他都引用","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q45c2a24d568e80b03d85","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000073"},{"id":"q615ba818299fe15cbe7b","batch_id":"batch-000073","seq":928,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-26T13:29:42.703Z","text":"这个案子 没有没收 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量刑前轻易不碰merit","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0a60e8079ee4eeebb6d2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0783158a83827bdfe589","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0a60e8079ee4eeebb6d2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000073"},{"id":"q2eb69fce814b027891f8","batch_id":"batch-000073","seq":938,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-26T13:41:06.948Z","text":"量刑后再不碰 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