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026-01-28T04:07:23.238Z","text":"853n是会上传的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q21b246202164c0b60c9e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"qf3bf0f1c5bcb0e5f2d3c","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":453,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-28T04:07:36.220Z","text":"如果你的目的是二巡，cvra更好","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf3bf0f1c5bcb0e5f2d3c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"q51ad8580910974d012a5","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":454,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-28T04:08:05.308Z","text":"853n根本就和诈骗不诈骗没关系","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q51ad8580910974d012a5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"qe1242c263810714f8c85","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":455,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-28T04:08:33.061Z","text":"853n只谈钱，还有和钱相关的程序不正义","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe1242c263810714f8c85","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"qbea5344e8dc548617799","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":456,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-28T04:08:51.209Z","text":"比如luc司法欺诈，853n是可以谈的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbea5344e8dc548617799","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"q47bb87e84c1baa36ecbf","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":457,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-28T04:09:22.472Z","text":"去看Jason 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herby respectfully petitions the Court for a determination of the \nPetitioner’s interest in specific property subject to the Court’s Consent Preliminary Order of \nForfeiture as to Specific Property/Money Judgment, signed by Your Honor on January 6, 2025 and \nentered on January 7, 2025, (the “Forfeiture Order”) which includes various bank accounts \n(“Forfeited Accounts”), Dkt. 488, to exclude all property in which the Petitioner has right, title, and \ninterest, namely, $51,500.00 (the “Property”). 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授予法院认为公正且适当的其他进一步救济。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf0635f2fb5d9d68296f9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"qceb21d913777b1988755","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":468,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-01-28T04:19:49.641Z","text":"所以法官要审这134个\n审内容 是否符合 不符合就remission\n符合 是A还是B 也要说清\n大概率都是B 只要钱 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不承认诈骗 而不是只是否认受害者\n否认受害 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连环套 一圈又一圈","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd5e89044298842273da5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q231c701a013054494a74","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd5e89044298842273da5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"q4f9370c37a945d20bd7d","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":487,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-28T04:34:09.953Z","text":"不仅是这样。对于农场借贷gclub,和喜交易所，如果这部分赢了，不可能就赢的那一个人被认为有所有权，而是所有投资者都有所有权。财产根本没有被转移。检方的叙事就崩塌。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qeffed7101aa89abb81d9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f9370c37a945d20bd7d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeffed7101aa89abb81d9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"q6ec9dcdc3f693ec830df","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":488,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-28T04:35:39.739Z","text":"不管怎么说，是不是853n，引用什么法条都无所谓，要看你的目的是什么","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6ec9dcdc3f693ec830df","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"q3650780474221d27eb1c","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":489,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-28T04:36:07.955Z","text":"你的目的可以是翻案，记录，要钱，等等","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3650780474221d27eb1c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"q60ecae1240fbdcc6d78c","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":490,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-28T04:36:36.965Z","text":"但是如果你的目的是二巡强制令，现在只有cvra可以做","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q60ecae1240fbdcc6d78c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"qee1be6f1256284362ca6","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":491,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-28T04:37:04.488Z","text":"853n和cvra可以同时，参考Jason 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kir***］ 有没有道理啊？检方如果忽略是联盟农场欺诈这些投资者填表，完全可以把盖尔和数字银行的几千人，全部打成共谋犯！逻辑说的通","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q976be9c275eaf482cbd5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"q68fe45f23c98c2244228","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":500,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-28T05:04:37.909Z","text":"是的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q976be9c275eaf482cbd5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q68fe45f23c98c2244228","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q976be9c275eaf482cbd5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"qfdf51d543cb59be75dbf","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":501,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-28T05:06:16.108Z","text":"填表的那些很多本来就不是普通投资者吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"q976be9c275eaf482cbd5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfdf51d543cb59be75dbf","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q976be9c275eaf482cbd5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"qa31063d10f9d5e6fea15","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":502,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-28T05:06:38.897Z","text":"债权人那1000多人也不是普通投资者吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa31063d10f9d5e6fea15","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"qbff1792abe15f9e741f7","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":503,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-28T05:06:53.005Z","text":"他们本来就是和联盟农场一起的吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbff1792abe15f9e741f7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"q3ac00fa08fbffce7d9ee","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":504,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-01-28T05:08:33.760Z","text":"853n,除了卖车的，全部驳回!","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3ac00fa08fbffce7d9ee","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"q9d01da5497a3b5333a3a","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":505,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-28T05:10:04.642Z","text":"那还用请主事官啊，法官直接驳回不就完了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3ac00fa08fbffce7d9ee","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9d01da5497a3b5333a3a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3ac00fa08fbffce7d9ee","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"q949283c3580ae704b19e","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":506,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-28T05:10:28.019Z","text":"别花钱请主事官了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q949283c3580ae704b19e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"qa247302f9ace23d7ac4c","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":507,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-28T05:10:43.567Z","text":"浪费受害人的钱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa247302f9ace23d7ac4c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"qa14a73cb96301fc31501","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":508,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-01-28T05:12:21.864Z","text":"为什么我说法庭上可能也许都在演戏，就是这个样子","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9d01da5497a3b5333a3a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa14a73cb96301fc31501","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9d01da5497a3b5333a3a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"qf38bedfc896e2179e84d","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":509,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-28T05:15:35.868Z","text":"现在有个问题，如果法官说所有人都是受害者的话，那之前王艳平量刑听证会上，青藤说所有人都是受害者，法官为什么说不是所有人都是受害者？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2f724f83d78d64ffd02d","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf38bedfc896e2179e84d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"q4d71e00c178643cf0554","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":510,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-28T05:16:38.154Z","text":"法官自相矛盾啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4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伺机而动","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8902b06bfda17c6ba084","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5605ba2d0eda678aa6eb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"q5d54c0a699f62ef0124f","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":517,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-01-28T05:21:51.858Z","text":"共谋犯也不是受害者","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d54c0a699f62ef0124f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"q72833e62602c211fc93a","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":518,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-28T05:22:00.912Z","text":"青藤当时说，不是所有投资人都是受害者吗？法官说不是。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcf25a67d5d65250269a9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q72833e62602c211fc93a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf25a67d5d65250269a9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"q6d2b8d00984d83e88144","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":519,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-01-28T05:22:43.317Z","text":"就是这目的 6000投资者 变受害者 再变共谋 拉下水","edited":false,"reply_to":"q976be9c275eaf482cbd5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6d2b8d00984d83e88144","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q976be9c275eaf482cbd5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"qef410c2b41beb7536098","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":520,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-28T05:23:36.477Z","text":"到现在还没离开盖尔的人，大概率就是和联盟农场一起的吧？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6d2b8d00984d83e88144","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qef410c2b41beb7536098","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6d2b8d00984d83e88144","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"q3afed3c062cdcf25cf8a","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":521,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-01-28T05:24:37.084Z","text":"法官没说错\n这就是100数字银行853n B 的作用\n是无辜 不是受害","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf38bedfc896e2179e84d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3afed3c062cdcf25cf8a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf38bedfc896e2179e84d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"qeebb2b65d6048835aa8a","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":522,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-28T05:25:55.740Z","text":"她如果驳回所有853n，那就是说这案子没有无辜第三方","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3afed3c062cdcf25cf8a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeebb2b65d6048835aa8a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3afed3c062cdcf25cf8a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"qaa8900c2fbac3e97f91b","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":523,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-28T05:26:07.420Z","text":"只有受害者","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaa8900c2fbac3e97f91b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"qfb9d7b2d482861820e49","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":524,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-28T05:26:14.832Z","text":"和共谋犯","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfb9d7b2d482861820e49","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"q58071799fbb84b6957ab","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":525,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-28T05:26:48.242Z","text":"100个数字银行的她也不能同意啊，他们和于健民用的是一个律师","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q58071799fbb84b6957ab","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"q2afe32aa55df27ff794c","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":526,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-01-28T05:28:09.989Z","text":"[删节：成员身份]前 没有一个试图853n A","edited":true,"reply_to":"qeebb2b65d6048835aa8a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2afe32aa55df27ff794c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeebb2b65d6048835aa8a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"q4ad6bfb3397c143ba411","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":527,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-28T05:28:25.297Z","text":"有啊，[删节：成员身份]","edited":true,"reply_to":"q2afe32aa55df27ff794c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4ad6bfb3397c143ba411","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2afe32aa55df27ff794c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"q73083ab1d3a83ed26605","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":528,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-28T05:29:00.720Z","text":"不过他也是[删节：成员身份]发动议之后了","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q73083ab1d3a83ed26605","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"q580748a3341f2c32a741","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":529,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-28T05:29:14.358Z","text":"[删节：成员身份]比他早，只是没上传","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q580748a3341f2c32a741","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"q63c07b26c5d061162798","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":530,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-01-28T05:34:51.623Z","text":"他是 853 B petitioner \n不是853n A\nA的意思是 不认诈骗 如果你判了诈骗 反正我不认 大不了不要钱了 仔细看785","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4ad6bfb3397c143ba411","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q63c07b26c5d061162798","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4ad6bfb3397c143ba411","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"q28fe1b2408a6235b40a5","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":531,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-01-28T05:35:31.665Z","text":"也对。不是所有投资者都是郭文贵的追随者。但是，那些无关的投资者没有来法庭","edited":false,"reply_to":"q72833e62602c211fc93a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q28fe1b2408a6235b40a5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q72833e62602c211fc93a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"qb4b4def70c160aa9b294","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":532,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-01-28T05:35:41.838Z","text":"总之，这个案子，乱七八糟","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb4b4def70c160aa9b294","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"q72a37ecd363ceb918659","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":533,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-01-28T05:35:43.411Z","text":"老流氓 文字游戏\n这是我一直骂青 周阅 的话","edited":false,"reply_to":"q28fe1b2408a6235b40a5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q72a37ecd363ceb918659","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q28fe1b2408a6235b40a5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"qbd0e0812dcdb169d34d0","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":534,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-28T05:37:03.674Z","text":"A是卖车公司","edited":false,"reply_to":"q63c07b26c5d061162798","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbd0e0812dcdb169d34d0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q63c07b26c5d061162798","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"q3f3cc4f60ae7f0a2a504","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":535,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-28T05:37:26.938Z","text":"B是善意购买者，比如喜币","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3f3cc4f60ae7f0a2a504","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"qee298c74d42cd26d6e03","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":536,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-28T05:38:13.103Z","text":"我听了半天，我觉得螺丝哥的意思是，如果你只要钱，是白费力气，因为钱大概率是要不回来的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qee298c74d42cd26d6e03","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"q8a661f58806342797c88","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":537,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-28T05:38:48.232Z","text":"除了要钱，还要提程序问题，翻案了钱才能拿回","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8a661f58806342797c88","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"qb80e3a775906dd9a826d","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":538,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-01-28T05:41:21.498Z","text":"853n A 只有claim(索赔) 不存在petition(请愿) 大不了不要钱\n853n B 保留了claim(索赔)不通过的情况下 走petition(请愿)的退路 法官就借坡下驴 不给你通过","edited":false,"reply_to":"qee298c74d42cd26d6e03","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb80e3a775906dd9a826d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qee298c74d42cd26d6e03","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"q6a5456950b6fb9c4d027","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":539,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-28T05:41:53.135Z","text":"反正不管怎么样，要钱大概率是要不回来了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb80e3a775906dd9a826d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6a5456950b6fb9c4d027","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb80e3a775906dd9a826d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"q489288a5540aa9bf31fb","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":540,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-28T05:42:03.500Z","text":"钱肯定要补回来","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q489288a5540aa9bf31fb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"q8665289fc6228c7779c2","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":541,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-28T05:42:11.051Z","text":"而且这案子估计是没有量刑了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8665289fc6228c7779c2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"qed669dffc69818e7db70","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":542,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-28T05:42:29.451Z","text":"所以呢，最后只有补偿，没有退款","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qed669dffc69818e7db70","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"q7bccf8d705d63ddef92a","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":543,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-01-28T05:42:55.373Z","text":"青就是老流氓 联盟给的表 claim索赔的 里面直接有petition 853n\n就是把数字银行 往853n B上引 给法官 检方 操作空间","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6a5456950b6fb9c4d027","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7bccf8d705d63ddef92a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6a5456950b6fb9c4d027","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"qaf3b2306dd5c0e0c9113","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":544,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-28T05:44:05.647Z","text":"不管怎么说，如果盖尔这6000人和债权人1000人现在还不站出来，最后估计他们的结局会很糟糕","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaf3b2306dd5c0e0c9113","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"qebdae03022bea07927ac","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":545,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-01-28T05:44:20.308Z","text":"看嘛 连蒙带骗 还会和这数字银行100人说 为你好 万一853n B过不了 还能petition要钱保财\n853n A 有风险 钱可能拿不到 不要去","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qebdae03022bea07927ac","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"q2f4642a44ed3fc9a21d7","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":546,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-01-28T05:57:48.164Z","text":"那个杨什么语 律师也没错 肯定也是853n B 要钱\n越南人律师 傻X 就没看懂这个局\n数字银行100多 被青忽悠 也是B\n盖尔那6000 最惨 被青做成共谋 渣都没有","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2f4642a44ed3fc9a21d7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"qa545fe65107f915a3a6e","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":547,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-01-28T05:59:20.405Z","text":"鸟登记的1000债权人 怕是和喜交所都有关系 授权给了盖尔 也是共谋","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa545fe65107f915a3a6e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"q48fc2b81572efc2d7cef","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":548,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-01-28T06:00:55.971Z","text":"得利的 就PAG 误征 钥匙兰 \n农场主美国小李只能算污点证人（Luc查的转钱记录 可能也有他） 不参与最后分钱 但可能也不退贪的钱\n倾风乐 阿哲 有喜币 不知道盖尔授权 还在不在🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q48fc2b81572efc2d7cef","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"qaaba17ece0656a18a410","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":549,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-01-28T06:06:40.484Z","text":"就螺丝哥一个人 不要命的853n A 大不了不要钱\n所以被法官压着打 不给上","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaaba17ece0656a18a410","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"qac935cd427840b0974fd","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":550,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-01-28T06:09:35.357Z","text":"群里的隐士们啊 把话和你们主子带到\n螺丝哥 在墙内安全\n他是投资者 进这个局 绝对没问题 与他是不是国安 当不当受害者 都无关 这个是司法的局 不是政治的局","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qac935cd427840b0974fd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"qd86eb7753695aae9542a","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":551,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-28T06:10:10.301Z","text":"螺丝哥上法庭没有引用853n","edited":false,"reply_to":"qaaba17ece0656a18a410","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd86eb7753695aae9542a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaaba17ece0656a18a410","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"q38d058e63088e114ff65","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":552,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-01-28T06:10:32.931Z","text":"法官就怕被戳穿853n A 和B\n逼他用CVRA","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd86eb7753695aae9542a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q38d058e63088e114ff65","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd86eb7753695aae9542a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"q94ae9faa63833b47c47d","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":553,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-28T06:10:50.204Z","text":"螺丝哥什么法条都没引用","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q94ae9faa63833b47c47d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"qcf54a4e7d78fc51d767e","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":554,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-28T06:11:01.724Z","text":"所以他被法官修理了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf54a4e7d78fc51d767e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"q3a0e702424491b594797","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":555,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-28T06:11:31.384Z","text":"853n和cvra，是法官528推荐的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3a0e702424491b594797","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"qfdfe0ca7cbfa4586c0d0","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":556,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-01-28T06:12:04.185Z","text":"更好 他就是来要自己的钱 不承认被骗 要不到 就不要了 没留后路","edited":false,"reply_to":"q94ae9faa63833b47c47d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfdfe0ca7cbfa4586c0d0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q94ae9faa63833b47c47d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"q61389a0cb4770fb33c9b","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":557,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-28T06:12:25.201Z","text":"青藤他们现在打着郭的名义推荐853n，不知道是想干什么","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q61389a0cb4770fb33c9b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"q9ac94c11906064e4a974","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":558,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-28T06:13:04.211Z","text":"螺丝哥动议说他不要钱","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfdfe0ca7cbfa4586c0d0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ac94c11906064e4a974","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfdfe0ca7cbfa4586c0d0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"qc9e86ac4bd163c8500aa","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":559,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-01-28T06:13:08.048Z","text":"国内 留着螺丝哥 折腾 说明他的行为 符合一些人利益 至于背后是不是青一派的 隐士们 自己掂量 别站错队了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qac935cd427840b0974fd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc9e86ac4bd163c8500aa","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qac935cd427840b0974fd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"qcc6e7f155a56c1a7927e","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":560,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-28T06:13:33.579Z","text":"谁的利益？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcc6e7f155a56c1a7927e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"qa81de25da4754db9db45","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":561,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-01-28T06:14:52.209Z","text":"三足鼎立 当然不是青 羊帮 套狼帮背后的 他们目前是捆绑一起 但平时互相也咬","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcc6e7f155a56c1a7927e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa81de25da4754db9db45","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcc6e7f155a56c1a7927e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"q7e9154a508ba9a80044f","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":562,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-28T06:15:35.242Z","text":"我靠，没这么复杂吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa81de25da4754db9db45","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7e9154a508ba9a80044f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa81de25da4754db9db45","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"q40a8926a4f2b55a6c8bb","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":563,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-28T06:16:35.426Z","text":"螺丝哥没事儿是因为现在这个案子还在审理中","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q40a8926a4f2b55a6c8bb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"q526f42b1f275a5a4114f","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":564,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-01-28T06:17:37.814Z","text":"想噤声螺丝哥 直接黑他手机啊 又不用抓他 \n不动他 说明 郭这个案子的走向 螺丝哥是一个重要棋子（他自己可能并不明白）\n隐士们好好掂量 别帮错忙\n江虾头都转向了 他比你们隐士们傻？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc9e86ac4bd163c8500aa","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q526f42b1f275a5a4114f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc9e86ac4bd163c8500aa","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"q3453a9ac1dfa40c36efe","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":565,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-28T06:18:31.132Z","text":"这个说的还算有点道理\n\nhttps://x.com/kk26400689/status/2016081700585910502?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3453a9ac1dfa40c36efe","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"q1f77038ecd02c1c2fe60","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":566,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-01-28T06:20:23.869Z","text":"羊帮 这几天似乎没怎么骂螺丝哥了吧？\n看到老江风向变了 小羊也很鸡贼","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3453a9ac1dfa40c36efe","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1f77038ecd02c1c2fe60","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3453a9ac1dfa40c36efe","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"q55ed417eb42020dc9df4","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":567,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-28T06:21:32.172Z","text":"好像是，A最近也消停了，奇怪","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1f77038ecd02c1c2fe60","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q55ed417eb42020dc9df4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1f77038ecd02c1c2fe60","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"q7d4620919c15f67c42de","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":568,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-28T06:21:33.027Z","text":"螺丝哥好像说过 有人要他死 有人就要他活","edited":false,"reply_to":"q526f42b1f275a5a4114f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7d4620919c15f67c42de","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q526f42b1f275a5a4114f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"q4ed27efa035b8cb761dd","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":569,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-01-28T06:21:49.588Z","text":"就是这意思\n老江 确实是老江湖","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7d4620919c15f67c42de","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4ed27efa035b8cb761dd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7d4620919c15f67c42de","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"qe5853f0d5071c70d1d5a","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":570,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-28T06:22:22.265Z","text":"但螺丝哥安全的最大因素 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瑞恩懂","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe4143a8c0bb3d002b14a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ca47cddb292df6eb9ac","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe4143a8c0bb3d002b14a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"qba2438c3d549214224c1","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":576,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-28T06:24:59.408Z","text":"你这口气很像一个人","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9ca47cddb292df6eb9ac","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qba2438c3d549214224c1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ca47cddb292df6eb9ac","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"qe3d97bcd3e87ea6c3429","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":577,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-28T06:25:04.852Z","text":"对的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qba2438c3d549214224c1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe3d97bcd3e87ea6c3429","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qba2438c3d549214224c1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"qf3179f616fff6e6c343c","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":578,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-28T06:25:11.218Z","text":"再说他不是瑞恩","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf3179f616fff6e6c343c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"qbf5152f123bd697c7730","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":579,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-28T06:25:15.185Z","text":"哈哈","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf3179f616fff6e6c343c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbf5152f123bd697c7730","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf3179f616fff6e6c343c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"qa8c8a9c077bb95b2757a","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":580,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-28T06:25:16.962Z","text":"他是瑞恩观察者","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa8c8a9c077bb95b2757a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"q66604ec5c4ef046c34d9","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":581,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-28T06:25:31.029Z","text":"［用户 joh***］  你是[删节：成员身份]","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q66604ec5c4ef046c34d9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"q3eaa7ce99804d8d64c9d","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":582,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-28T06:27:18.689Z","text":"郝本来就是江时代的人","edited":false,"reply_to":"q03c644f9e36086536556","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3eaa7ce99804d8d64c9d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q03c644f9e36086536556","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"q4c57ba206f2f20de9518","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":583,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-01-28T06:27:43.436Z","text":"看不懂的隐士们 多去和老江 泰山 [删节：成员身份] 咨询 \n都是延边老棒子 \n这个局怎么走 不是青背后的说了算 永远是三足鼎立","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4c57ba206f2f20de9518","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"qb6f17ce0df1d15cff442","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":584,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-28T06:28:39.671Z","text":"我相信瑞恩懂的和你懂的不是一个事情🤣 ［用户 joh***］","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb6f17ce0df1d15cff442","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"qe69ab47a02d936b59ccd","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":585,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-01-28T06:30:12.246Z","text":"小羊 肯定不懂 白长那么长胡子了\n他最近是不是回过味了 感觉到不对🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe69ab47a02d936b59ccd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"qfb4f632becb7cc04e471","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":586,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-28T06:31:15.480Z","text":"怎么那么多？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe359b9c05beae5d9a4b6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfb4f632becb7cc04e471","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe359b9c05beae5d9a4b6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"q35f1ec1703a322eee101","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":587,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-01-28T06:31:28.588Z","text":"[删节：成员身份]说话的风格、角度、视角都不是这样子的。","edited":true,"reply_to":"q66604ec5c4ef046c34d9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q35f1ec1703a322eee101","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q66604ec5c4ef046c34d9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"qeb0cdf746070bb11532b","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":588,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-28T06:33:48.933Z","text":"早就说过无罪了，但是屁证据不说，等于fang pi","edited":false,"reply_to":"q52d07157747df284ab62","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeb0cdf746070bb11532b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q52d07157747df284ab62","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"q183e3ffc64d973fa06ec","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":589,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-28T06:36:52.723Z","text":"同问，一个都459，九份都4000张纸了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfb4f632becb7cc04e471","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q183e3ffc64d973fa06ec","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfb4f632becb7cc04e471","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"q3c49066d83044fb93ed3","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":590,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-01-28T06:41:00.209Z","text":"螺丝哥：公平 公平 还TMD是 公平\n法官：你怎么能不要钱呢？滚😡（生米都快煮成熟饭了 别坏我们的好事）","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9ac94c11906064e4a974","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3c49066d83044fb93ed3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ac94c11906064e4a974","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"qa9db08e79f4d23e77b6a","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":591,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-28T06:41:01.745Z","text":"全都一样，就不是角色扮演了😆","edited":false,"reply_to":"q35f1ec1703a322eee101","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa9db08e79f4d23e77b6a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q35f1ec1703a322eee101","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"qd036c5af36185d2b4178","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":592,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-28T06:41:27.788Z","text":"要看本质，sarah同学😂","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd036c5af36185d2b4178","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"q03daa640766dc01c89a0","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":593,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-01-28T06:44:01.098Z","text":"如果是同一个人，说话风格是一样的。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa9db08e79f4d23e77b6a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q03daa640766dc01c89a0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa9db08e79f4d23e77b6a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"q6a519c690239ed153df3","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":594,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-28T06:53:14.022Z","text":"首先解决钱能不能回来的问题，然后再解决怎么回来的问题，现在正在解决第一个问题","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf15991944c2984980f5f","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6a519c690239ed153df3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"q7a066316fdec708995c3","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":595,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-28T06:53:43.953Z","text":"没有任何人敢抓你了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q25f75ef3c2f0226ab0f2","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7a066316fdec708995c3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"q3ffe645432794d53d062","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":596,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-01-28T06:54:39.616Z","text":"螺丝哥是宝贝","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7a066316fdec708995c3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3ffe645432794d53d062","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7a066316fdec708995c3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"q548dd57c0717be92c886","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":597,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-01-28T07:01:18.827Z","text":"459 是9份后的数字：51x9 \n\n一份51页；南区法官2份（其中一份是涂黑）+检察官一份 + 二巡6份（1份涂黑，一份原件，4份影印件）","edited":false,"reply_to":"q183e3ffc64d973fa06ec","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q548dd57c0717be92c886","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q183e3ffc64d973fa06ec","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"q9d6729663430ca6d31af","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":598,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-28T07:03:39.884Z","text":"影印件是什么","edited":false,"reply_to":"q548dd57c0717be92c886","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9d6729663430ca6d31af","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q548dd57c0717be92c886","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"q0e888b218b571b1b0347","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":599,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-01-28T07:04:55.730Z","text":"4份影印件是二巡要求的呀","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0e888b218b571b1b0347","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"},{"id":"q8786b314244171aae98c","batch_id":"batch-000074","seq":600,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-28T07:05:05.443Z","text":"那是立案后…","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0e888b218b571b1b0347","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8786b314244171aae98c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0e888b218b571b1b0347","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000074"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000073","next_batch_id":"batch-000075"}