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title, or interest in the property, and such right, title, or interest renders the order of forfeiture invalid in whole or in part because the right, title, or interest was vested in the petitioner rather than the defendant or was superior to any right, title, or interest of the defendant at the time of the commission of the acts which gave rise to the forfeiture of the property under this section; or\n\n853(N)(6)(B)\n\n(B) the petitioner is a bona fide purchaser for value of the right, title, or interest in the property and was at the time of purchase reasonably without cause to believe that the property was subject to forfeiture under this section;\n\nhttps://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/21/853","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qec418a7f427428f7fca0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q2b6a6cd2bdb9f6323cb2","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":21,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-29T15:17:52.096Z","text":"这里都是非专业人员，说话不一定都对","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2b6a6cd2bdb9f6323cb2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q0df968600250b5930f2d","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":22,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-01-29T15:18:14.816Z","text":"是的 我也只是建议 看看就好","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0df968600250b5930f2d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qc3279d498ad79200c491","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":23,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-29T15:18:20.009Z","text":"给的建议，愿意听就听，不愿意听就去找律师","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc3279d498ad79200c491","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qbc29dcc06910f42bc62c","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":24,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-29T15:18:30.660Z","text":"这里人员复杂，大家自己甄别","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbc29dcc06910f42bc62c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q03063bc5c4dda848edea","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":25,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-29T15:18:55.707Z","text":"上网有风险，多查机器人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q03063bc5c4dda848edea","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qd485ee7faf7b430f3935","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":26,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2026-01-29T17:35:52.183Z","text":"一句话结论（先给你吃个定心丸）\n👉 853(n)(6)(A) 和 (B) 必须区分，而且区分与否，会直接决定：\n法庭是否有义务认真听你说话\n你的主张是被当成“财产权挑战”，还是被当成“事后受害人抱怨”\n检方能不能用一句话把你打发掉\n在郭文贵这个案子里，区分 A / B 尤其重要。\n一、为什么法律要把 853(n)(6) 分成 A 和 B？\n因为这两条解决的是 完全不同的法律情形。\n🔹 (A)：你本来就不是被告那条线的人\n核心逻辑：\n这东西一开始就不该算在被告头上。\n你的权利 在犯罪行为发生之前就存在\n或者你的权利 法律上高于被告\n所以：没收从一开始就是错误的\n📌 这是在说：\n👉 法院根本就没资格没收这部分财产\n🔹 (B)：你是后来合法进入的无辜第三人\n核心逻辑：\n即便财产后来被牵连，我也是善意的。\n你是 付出真实对价 才获得的\n你当时 不知道、也不该知道 会被没收\n所以：你不该替别人背锅\n📌 这是在说：\n👉 没收可以有，但不能伤及无辜第三人\n二、这一区分在郭文贵案里，影响有多大？\n我直接告诉你一个残酷但真实的事实👇\nSDNY 最喜欢、也最容易“糊弄过去”的，是 (B)。\n为什么？\n因为检方最常用的挡箭牌就是这句：\n“You should have known.”\n“合理人应当知道。”\n一旦被打进 (B) 框架：\n检方可以说你“风险自担”\n法官更容易点头\n你的主张会被“降级”为情绪型受害人叙述\n三、那 (A) 在这个案子里意味着什么？（重点）\n如果你能站在 (A) 上，事情性质就完全变了。\n(A) 的杀伤力在于：\n你不是在求情，而是在指出法院错误\n这是管辖权和财产权的硬问题\n法官 不能用自由裁量随便糊过去\n换句话说：\n(A) 是在说：法庭搞错对象了。\n(B) 是在说：请别伤害我。\n在郭文贵案这种高度政治化、资产规模巨大的案子里——\n法庭更怕前者。\n四、你这个案子，适合 A 还是 B？\n我非常直白地说：\n👉 你不该只用 B\n👉 你至少要把自己放进 A，或者 A + B 双轨\n为什么？\n从你之前的描述看（投资 ID、金额、早期投入、交易路径）：\n你的资金并不是：\n犯罪收益\n被告个人财产\n而是：\n独立第三方权益\n在相关行为之前就已形成\n这在法律上天然更靠近 (A)。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd485ee7faf7b430f3935","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qc7a5ce421cd3d12f3087","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":27,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-29T17:57:20.068Z","text":"Cvra和853n应该分开，不要混起来","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1744c78875a3655e51b5","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc7a5ce421cd3d12f3087","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qf472e64b0e4896b7b9ce","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":28,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-29T17:57:40.103Z","text":"Cvra动议里不要谈853n","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf472e64b0e4896b7b9ce","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qbd8a80817ad9971ffc32","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":29,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-29T17:58:04.463Z","text":"只谈程序","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbd8a80817ad9971ffc32","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q64f00c9d93b67dda40b6","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":30,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-29T17:58:26.232Z","text":"cvra也可以要钱 但那就应该走mvra","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64f00c9d93b67dda40b6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q7295eb0030e93da83db2","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":31,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-29T17:58:37.565Z","text":"但这个已经被托雷斯阉割了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7295eb0030e93da83db2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q712f7bd94ad169bcc803","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":32,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-29T17:59:31.213Z","text":"Cvra如果要钱，基本上就等于你想当受害者了。谈分钱程序不正义可以，要钱是另外一回事儿。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q712f7bd94ad169bcc803","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q95ba32d4ddc4a3532c55","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":33,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-29T17:59:45.888Z","text":"问题不大","edited":false,"reply_to":"q712f7bd94ad169bcc803","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q95ba32d4ddc4a3532c55","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q712f7bd94ad169bcc803","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qa074c75cec994fe43a55","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":34,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-29T17:59:51.118Z","text":"mvra已经被阉割了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa074c75cec994fe43a55","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qdefe50a6e17239f6b1fc","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":35,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-29T18:00:01.625Z","text":"这个也是重大程序问题","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdefe50a6e17239f6b1fc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q5d1b2831c6a0106e5bd7","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":36,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-29T18:00:24.498Z","text":"看你目的是什么","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d1b2831c6a0106e5bd7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qd72994523eecbf5a7d33","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":37,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-29T18:00:41.328Z","text":"是要钱，还是翻案，还是其他什么目的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd72994523eecbf5a7d33","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qf2153292b5f817562487","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":38,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-29T18:01:00.113Z","text":"恩","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf2153292b5f817562487","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qd0cee1d134aa6288e7ea","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":39,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-01-29T19:57:02.699Z","text":"就是这样，853就围绕A来讲，顶多最后补一段：“若法院觉得A实在不行，那就B，但我坚决认为我属于A”。\n\n但就算你走853也要搞清楚，托大人不会同意的，你再挣扎大概率都会被扔进政府兜底的救济里面去。那咋办呢？\n\n在853的范围内充分的阐述你发现的各种程序不正义，为翻案加一把火。例如：1. 数字银行853和被告共用同一个律师这个严重的利益冲突问题。2. 这两天共谋犯煽动联系被告律师提交证据、污染证据，妨碍司法的问题。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd485ee7faf7b430f3935","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd0cee1d134aa6288e7ea","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd485ee7faf7b430f3935","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q0ecd605b40f6c505b112","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":40,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-01-29T20:19:08.593Z","text":"CVRA 可以用来要“程序正义”，\n但一旦用来要“钱”，\n就必须立刻用 § 853(n) 把“受害者叙事”拆掉。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0ecd605b40f6c505b112","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q5986b0c45c84a389654c","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":41,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-01-29T20:19:33.501Z","text":"先给一句话答案（核心结论）\n\n是的：形式上，§ 853(n) 的 60 天窗口已经过期；\n但这并不等于：\n👉 你现在“不能用 853(n) 叙事来拆 CVRA 的受害者叙事”。\n\n原因在于：\n你现在做的不是“启动一个新的 853(n) 实体索赔”，\n而是在主张：你被“程序性剥夺了进入 853(n) 的权利本身”。\n\n这是两个完全不同的法律层级。\n\n⸻\n\n一、你说得没错：§ 853(n) 的法定窗口是什么？\n\n标准规则是（21 U.S.C. § 853(n)(2)）：\n\nAny person asserting a legal interest in property ordered forfeited\nmay petition the court within 30 days of:\n    •    final publication of notice, or\n    •    receipt of direct notice, whichever is earlier.\n\n在你这个案子里：\n    •    政府冻结/没收令：2024-08-22\n    •    +60 天（你这里按程序算得很谨慎）：2024-10-22\n\n👉 如果一切程序都正常、你能进入法庭、能被 docket、能被听见\n👉 那么，是的，这个窗口已经关了。\n\n⸻\n\n二、但关键转折点在这里（非常重要）👇\n\n§ 853(n) 的“期限”不是自足的\n\n它有一个隐含前提：\n\n第三方 被给予了合理的 notice + 实际可行的进入法院路径\n\n而你现在主张的是：\n\n❗我不是“迟到”，\n❗而是从一开始就被挡在门外。\n\n这在法律上叫：\n\nprocedural foreclosure / denial of access to statutory remedy","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5986b0c45c84a389654c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q27b9bc738b83a8ac10cf","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":42,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-01-29T20:19:57.698Z","text":"三、为什么在这种情况下，你仍然可以“用 853(n) 叙事拆 CVRA”？\n\n因为你现在做的事情是这三步：\n\n① 你不是在说：“现在请立刻判我 853(n) 胜诉”\n\n而是在说：\n\n“我被剥夺了进入 § 853(n) 程序的可能性本身。”\n\n这是一种：\n    •    Due Process claim\n    •    Access-to-court claim\n    •    Structural error / framework error\n\n⸻\n\n② 在这种语境下，§ 853(n) 不再是“索赔工具”，而是基准参照系\n\n你现在用 853(n) 的作用是：\n\n证明：\n‘如果程序没有被扭曲，我本该在这里，而不是被迫去走 CVRA。’\n\n换句话说：\n    •    CVRA = 被迫使用的“次优路径”\n    •    § 853(n) = 被剥夺的“法定正路”\n\n👉 这正是你拆“受害者叙事”的法理基础。\n\n⸻\n\n③ 所以你说的这句话，其实要这样理解（这是关键）👇\n\n“CVRA 一旦用来要钱，就必须用 § 853(n) 拆掉受害者叙事”\n\n并不是指：\n\n❌ “现在还能不能再新开一个 853(n) 案子”\n\n而是指：\n\n✅ 在法庭叙事层面，\n钱 = 财产权 → 本该走 853(n)，\n而不是犯罪受害补偿（CVRA）。\n\n⸻\n\n四、那 60 天过期，法院会不会一句话把你打死？\n\n如果你什么都不解释，直接说：\n\n“我现在要走 853(n)”\n\n👉 是的，几乎必死。\n\n但你现在说的是（而且你二巡里已经这么写了）：\n\n    •    我曾提交\n    •    我被拒绝 docket\n    •    我没有任何 appealable order\n    •    我被迫转向 CVRA\n    •    而 CVRA 又被降格为“complaints”\n→ 形成一个封闭的程序死循环\n\n这在法理上是一个完全不同的主张。\n\n⸻\n\n五、用一句“法院能听懂的话”帮你总结现在的结构\n\n你现在的真实法律立场是：\n\n我并非错过 § 853(n) 的期限，\n而是被剥夺了进入 § 853(n) 的机会；\n在此情况下，\n任何将我的主张重新框定为‘CVRA 受害人要钱’的做法，\n都是对程序缺失的二次伤害。\n\n这句话，在二巡是完全可理解、也可接受的。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q27b9bc738b83a8ac10cf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q0281b6d99f1431e84302","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":43,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-01-29T20:20:11.625Z","text":"六、所以，回到你的直问，答案是：\n\n✔️ 是的，853(n) 的 60 天在日历上已经过\n\n✔️ 但这不阻断你用 853(n) 作为“正确叙事框架”\n\n✔️ 你现在做的是 程序性保留 + 结构性纠偏\n\n❌ 你不是在“晚到索赔”\n\n✅ 你是在“拒绝被错误地定性为受害者”\n\n⸻\n\n七、最后一句非常重要的话（请你记住）\n\n当法庭把你挡在 § 853(n) 门外时，\nCVRA 不会变成‘替代通道’，\n只能成为‘程序受损的证据本身’。\n\n你现在，已经在正确地使用它了。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0281b6d99f1431e84302","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q23270585400ff9de9292","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":44,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-29T21:53:43.966Z","text":"这个案子80%可能 先量刑","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q23270585400ff9de9292","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q73d1f7ab7cbed3e3ddd7","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":45,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-01-29T22:48:42.361Z","text":"https://x.com/baoliaogeming/status/2017006928908681605?s=19","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q73d1f7ab7cbed3e3ddd7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q0d7f90171b7aa833c0cb","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":46,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-01-29T23:09:51.720Z","text":"https://x.com/7star8964/status/2016913159509201397?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0d7f90171b7aa833c0cb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qb2973cb3b109aa78a1d7","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":47,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-01-30T01:39:28.811Z","text":"🐷贝贝说的没错\n快速定罪 目的不是刑事案 而是要开始没收程序 是要引入破产案 Luc","edited":false,"reply_to":"q23270585400ff9de9292","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb2973cb3b109aa78a1d7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q23270585400ff9de9292","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q670cc7079cb8dfb0fcdb","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":48,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-01-30T01:43:13.372Z","text":"资产拥有者  被联盟和代理律师 合伙做局 在法庭身份都是CRVA 853 n (A除外） 853i （全都是等政府没收后分钱）\n那么G系列 喜交所 钱都算在郭头上（因为资产拥有者 都没有上法庭 G系列受益人何浩然 喜交所CEO外逃 法庭上没人给郭说话）\n和PAG告他的个人破产案 绑一块了 \nLuc从郭个人破产案的受托人\n业务范围就顺带扩大到了G系列 \n政府全要没收\n最后优先分钱的 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悠着点，别太激动，不知道的以为您吃了炸药了。 😂😂😂\n\n唯一的能拿回钱的就是老郭翻案。如果不撤案，首先去除luc 等浪费的，先会给善伟建等人， 再第三方853n像豪车公司等，剩下的才会分给大家，还不知道猴年马月（就像GTV 第三批）。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5ef1a04da66a65497fec","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q216cd976cfc13c6baa81","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":70,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-01-30T04:08:33.414Z","text":"律师事务所就是黑社会组织","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q216cd976cfc13c6baa81","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q46515afb3def7027c7a1","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":71,"speaker":"pz0***","date":"2026-01-30T04:16:41.508Z","text":"郭文贵鼓励手下人起诉伪类特务的案子，有告赢的吗？我只知道两个告输，然后需要反赔被告律师费的案子。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q46515afb3def7027c7a1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q696a3538b0ff3e6e769a","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":72,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-01-30T04:19:31.400Z","text":"数字银行 喜交所 Gclub 都是独立的公司， 与郭没任何关系。他只是代言人而已","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q696a3538b0ff3e6e769a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q5a1007f77c30ac418bf9","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":73,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-30T04:25:46.592Z","text":"都是输","edited":false,"reply_to":"q46515afb3def7027c7a1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5a1007f77c30ac418bf9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q46515afb3def7027c7a1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q1996e6b5f50799c63ea2","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":74,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-30T04:25:56.798Z","text":"自己人起诉自己人能赢吗 😄","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1996e6b5f50799c63ea2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qa2923e0bc9ad0dbdf304","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":75,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-01-30T04:27:30.127Z","text":"精辟： 都是伪类","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa2923e0bc9ad0dbdf304","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qa34c0441329d994a3ee7","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":76,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-01-30T04:30:19.906Z","text":"螺丝说的， 只要进入了这个司法系统，就要有个结果 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你来解释一下","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e031469e9870167ebf1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q0b366939c694be274a6d","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":114,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-30T06:27:11.668Z","text":"https://x.com/testurheart/status/2017122327415124180?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0b366939c694be274a6d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qd316abe475072851f988","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":115,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-30T07:07:39.258Z","text":"瑞恩已经放了我两次鸽子了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd316abe475072851f988","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qed84a7c2091d15c00291","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":116,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-30T07:07:50.255Z","text":"这次应该是真的了吧？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qed84a7c2091d15c00291","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qc0cf81f07fc927a025e4","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":117,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-30T07:08:05.715Z","text":"受害人","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0cdc2854dd25c3333dd0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc0cf81f07fc927a025e4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0cdc2854dd25c3333dd0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qbc39fb5282791b79c9c4","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":118,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-30T07:08:11.465Z","text":"青藤还不是共谋犯","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbc39fb5282791b79c9c4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qc1318ab8f3b9fbaa03eb","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":119,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-01-30T07:14:45.470Z","text":"有想过 他很可能是 盖尔那6000里853i 被检方认定的“受害人”\n盖尔的协议里 似乎有一条是 必要情况下 会有客户代表出庭 具体是谁 不知道","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbc39fb5282791b79c9c4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc1318ab8f3b9fbaa03eb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbc39fb5282791b79c9c4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qefb5b3df282512b31910","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":120,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-01-30T07:38:36.542Z","text":"分工好了 都是草台班子 过家家 谁看不出来\n鸟 老班长 检方污点证人 给郭定罪 之后功成身退 圈钱走人 第一波\n青 苍 打鸟立功 庭审维稳 按住投资者 骗成受害人 苍狗 已经卷钱跑路 第二波\n第三波 已经在酝酿 (就看Qmay AVA 飞飞 小屁酱 会不会成 三姓家奴 这类喽啰一般结局都很惨）\n有个提示 为什么 火来出镜率剧增？八字\n都在打明牌 都在赌 但这些台面演员“黑手套”的命 很可能都被搭进去","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc1318ab8f3b9fbaa03eb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qefb5b3df282512b31910","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc1318ab8f3b9fbaa03eb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qf57f2afa66f8f8fd55e8","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":121,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-30T07:48:28.090Z","text":"十、最终建议\n您应该在Cert中：\n1. 明确二巡的logic trap\n\"Without prejudice\" 变成 \"no jurisdiction\"\n\"Reasonable time\" 变成 clerk可随意决定\n\"After sentencing\" 变成 所有forfeiture issues的categorical bar\n2. 强调这不仅是您的问题\nRyan Bai也受影响\nCase 25-3046也可能受影响\n所有Kwok案的third-party claimants都在jurisdictional vacuum中\n3. 给Supreme Court两个选择\n要么同意二巡无管辖权 → 那Supreme Court必须现在介入\n要么不同意 → 那应该reverse二巡的abdication\n4. 突出urgency\n$60M+ dissipating\n8 months already passed\nBy sentencing, may be nothing left\nConstitutional violations ongoing\n十一、直接回答您的问题\n\"二巡是不是在说：你们自己上最高法，我管不了？\"\n我的答案：是的，但他们不会明说。\n更准确地说:\n二巡通过这种操作在传递：\n\"我们选择不管。\n如果你觉得这违反了你的权利，\n那是你和最高法之间的事。\n我们已经通过让clerk说'no jurisdiction'把自己摘干净了。\"\n这是典型的judicial buck-passing（踢皮球）。\n但这正好给了您cert的理由:\n\"Lower courts都拒绝审查，最高法是唯一救济途径\"\n大家觉得这个ai的分析怎么样？让你们的ai来挑一下刺。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf57f2afa66f8f8fd55e8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q12bfe6291f9c8a78e6e5","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":122,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-30T07:50:16.034Z","text":"Ai不知道什么原因，我给的初步没收令签发时间是正确的，它一直说过去了8个月，实际才过去了5个月。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q12bfe6291f9c8a78e6e5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qcfa18ca1cdc559b015d1","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":123,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-30T09:35:16.227Z","text":"https://x.com/testurheart/status/2017169627407614256?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcfa18ca1cdc559b015d1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q9e9f5f383d8a668074c9","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":124,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-30T09:51:28.238Z","text":"最高法有可能和你掰扯 二巡把你的强制令和瑞恩合并是有裁量权","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf57f2afa66f8f8fd55e8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e9f5f383d8a668074c9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf57f2afa66f8f8fd55e8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q984a6d8a8d01b6f1c313","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":125,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-30T09:53:38.791Z","text":"八、最终答案总结\n您的三个问题:\nQ1: 二巡的\"量刑前不用强制令介入没收\"是standard practice吗?\nA: 绝对不是。这violates Federal Rule 32.2(c)(1)(A)。\nQ2: 其它巡回法院的forfeiture mandamus都是量刑后吗?\nA: 没有证据表明如此。相反，Rule要求\"before sentencing\"。\nQ3: 地区法院能否将§853(n)推到量刑后?\nA: 不能。这直接违反Rule 32.2(c)(1)(A)和§853(n)(3)。\n您应该在Cert中强调:\n这不仅仅是二巡clerk越权的问题。\n这是二巡创造了一个与Federal Rules直接冲突的practice。\n这使得您的cert petition更strong，因为:\n✓ 不是circuit split (harder to prove)\n✓ 而是 Circuit vs. Federal Rule (easier to show)\n✓ Supreme Court经常grant cert来enforce uniformity of Federal Rules\n这大大增加了您cert被granted的机会！\n需要我帮您把这些发现incorporate到revised cert petition中吗?\n按照这个观点，好像对你的裁定本身都可能可以被cert。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9e9f5f383d8a668074c9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q984a6d8a8d01b6f1c313","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e9f5f383d8a668074c9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q9cbf9aaa623321f31463","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":126,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-30T09:54:18.769Z","text":"你的不是cert 是writ","edited":false,"reply_to":"q984a6d8a8d01b6f1c313","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9cbf9aaa623321f31463","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q984a6d8a8d01b6f1c313","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qcacf3ba3b2c4f59a4620","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":127,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-30T09:54:31.310Z","text":"cert是有案号 有裁决","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcacf3ba3b2c4f59a4620","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q444c5bbcbab15070f330","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":128,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-30T09:55:16.162Z","text":"没案号，只要实际效果是司法裁决效力，也能cert。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcacf3ba3b2c4f59a4620","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q444c5bbcbab15070f330","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcacf3ba3b2c4f59a4620","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q608149de1592d73140d5","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":129,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-30T09:55:33.569Z","text":"那就不知道了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q444c5bbcbab15070f330","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q608149de1592d73140d5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q444c5bbcbab15070f330","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qeb00fd6b3ecb171b9775","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":130,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-30T09:55:39.531Z","text":"最高法我还没仔细研究","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeb00fd6b3ecb171b9775","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q0792390ffd470cd806f2","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":131,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-01-30T11:40:33.040Z","text":"盖尔登记用的是Hid，老郭说4000人在喜币中…","edited":false,"reply_to":"qad2595e6632cd893f357","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0792390ffd470cd806f2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qd4515dfd828e6f16cb21","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":132,"speaker":"Sap***","date":"2026-01-30T12:03:48.715Z","text":"欢迎 [删节：隐私信息] 来到 **郭文贵法庭文件，不禁言不删帖**! 你可以在聊天区交流郭文贵刑事案件，畅所欲言。这里有新老联盟农场羊帮质疑帮绝对不可能给你的言论自由。不禁言不删帖，唯一要求是不要在聊天区刷屏。这里所有言论只代表发言者自己的非专业个人意见，如有任何疑虑，请咨询专业人士。\n\n各房间功能说明：\n\n想快速了解郭文贵案件 ->  法庭文件分类索引，老郭案件内容\n想学习自诉 -> 自诉pro se 说明及参考\n想骂人 -> 对骂发泄房间\n想刷屏 -> 揭发自诉陷阱","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd4515dfd828e6f16cb21","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q725376d9d478c791169c","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":133,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-30T12:08:20.168Z","text":"联盟打着郭的名义，有些人相信老郭在背后指挥的，让他们提交，是时机到了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9c39d4d0ce628ca71b24","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q725376d9d478c791169c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q55419a242c90284fc489","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":134,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-30T12:10:11.555Z","text":"他们不相信你，是因为你没有说你有郭的背书😆","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q55419a242c90284fc489","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qa5da7038eb72dfd2ad09","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":135,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-30T12:11:08.348Z","text":"有些人真的相信郭能在监狱里指挥一切，并且是合法的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa5da7038eb72dfd2ad09","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q6255fb84bafa97ed54f3","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":136,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-01-30T12:12:04.679Z","text":"纸牌屋看多了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa5da7038eb72dfd2ad09","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6255fb84bafa97ed54f3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa5da7038eb72dfd2ad09","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q8486d958ac04b52b25d0","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":137,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-30T12:15:12.064Z","text":"其实如果联盟真的是撒谎，那这种谎话也算是弥天大谎了，一般人会觉得联盟不敢撒这种谎","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6255fb84bafa97ed54f3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8486d958ac04b52b25d0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6255fb84bafa97ed54f3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qf34cd6ba507cca0e7b1c","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":138,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-01-30T12:27:05.354Z","text":"联盟被检方法庭定为RICO 共谋组织了吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf34cd6ba507cca0e7b1c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q6bc5d69ce040d47c737b","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":139,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-30T12:29:27.975Z","text":"说到底是没有法律意识，只相信权威，不相信法律","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6bc5d69ce040d47c737b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q65897c73318f9183cf95","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":140,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-30T12:30:32.723Z","text":"中国一直是人情社会","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q65897c73318f9183cf95","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q6cc0eca5c0b654b1048c","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":141,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-30T12:30:38.927Z","text":"不是法治社会","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6cc0eca5c0b654b1048c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q2d522bfcfc4d854ad2d0","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":142,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-30T14:10:45.926Z","text":"还没","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf34cd6ba507cca0e7b1c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2d522bfcfc4d854ad2d0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf34cd6ba507cca0e7b1c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q8fe4041c85b316d3b057","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":143,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-30T14:17:48.359Z","text":"他们只是被起诉书还有法庭文件指控可能是共谋犯，长岛张勇兵等人在共谋名单上","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8fe4041c85b316d3b057","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q80b3522fb163534d9bed","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":144,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-30T14:18:33.508Z","text":"郭文贵因rico共谋 然后共谋犯没有一个定罪的 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😄","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc08e55c4285661ba317f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q0752e82852b787fbd4bd","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":164,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-30T20:42:26.944Z","text":"这个延期肯定得同意","edited":false,"reply_to":"q99397c684791fdc8688b","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0752e82852b787fbd4bd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q9d43c91bfb6f396b837b","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":165,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-01-30T21:22:34.431Z","text":"奥巴马。共产国际/深层政府的执行人。他的司法部的Lisa Monaco, Garland, 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him***］  好像有一股势力一直盯着你","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q86f05e3c79b4064349fc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q6ea4f096c748a88b61de","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":170,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-31T00:43:44.463Z","text":"是吗，他们是盯着这个群吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"q86f05e3c79b4064349fc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6ea4f096c748a88b61de","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q86f05e3c79b4064349fc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q141731294600dedbc01f","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":171,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-31T00:44:03.362Z","text":"[删节：成员身份]天生对你有敌意😄","edited":true,"reply_to":"q6ea4f096c748a88b61de","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q141731294600dedbc01f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6ea4f096c748a88b61de","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q2de631117a2b21719fcd","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":172,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-31T00:44:43.063Z","text":"是因为我说他可能是peter律师吗😂","edited":false,"reply_to":"q141731294600dedbc01f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2de631117a2b21719fcd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q141731294600dedbc01f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qa6f72d2dc4bf3d72be57","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":173,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-31T00:44:57.118Z","text":"［用户 pz0***］  peter律师好","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa6f72d2dc4bf3d72be57","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q0b9771a858a79e23141f","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":174,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-01-31T01:43:47.608Z","text":"[删节：成员身份] 这么有名？ 被假冒了。","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0b9771a858a79e23141f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q2c03d7b2a348b94f48ec","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":175,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-31T02:00:30.732Z","text":"螺丝哥 瑞恩 他们不敢惹🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2c03d7b2a348b94f48ec","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qc0ce467ada88fb8d85a2","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":176,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-31T02:32:48.076Z","text":"[删节：成员身份] 近期发现，有不明人士冒充我的 Discord 账号向群内成员发送私信。鉴于本群影响力持续扩大，类似冒充群内成员进行私信的情况可能会进一步增加。\n请各位在收到私信时务必仔细核对对方的 Discord ID，谨慎甄别身份，避免受到误导或产生不必要的风险。","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc0ce467ada88fb8d85a2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q88a822fbbb64a91c47a7","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":177,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-31T02:35:54.699Z","text":"能做这种事的都是胆小鬼，所以不敢惹瑞恩和螺丝哥😆","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2c03d7b2a348b94f48ec","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q88a822fbbb64a91c47a7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2c03d7b2a348b94f48ec","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qce4118c468fc5b3d002e","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":178,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-01-31T02:43:29.610Z","text":"你不要说得太早了。说不定什么时候就有人假扮瑞恩和螺丝哥。😂","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2c03d7b2a348b94f48ec","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qce4118c468fc5b3d002e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2c03d7b2a348b94f48ec","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q3f389cd310e9e103a4b2","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":179,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-01-31T03:06:47.853Z","text":"偏偏就不会有人假冒文悦大SB。\n只有它自己换马甲。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3f389cd310e9e103a4b2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q65576638fb5f999754aa","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":180,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-01-31T03:37:11.270Z","text":"郭在钓鱼吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q65576638fb5f999754aa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q43a0e15298399c3c524c","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":181,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-31T04:46:13.495Z","text":"你们收到的美国法院的信件，法院有没有写上收件人电话，我这，联邦快递送不到户的原因是，如果电话打不通或者没有电话，送都不送。由于上面没有写收件人电话，这才导致一直放在那里，我要到tracking 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[删节：隐私信息]","edited":true,"reply_to":"qa676fc678b7173213355","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q43a0e15298399c3c524c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q0f75596cf6c2bdf2750c","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":182,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-31T04:47:24.462Z","text":"美国这边的快递、信件，都不写收件人电话的吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0f75596cf6c2bdf2750c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qc324f2616c5d689656b6","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":183,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-01-31T04:52:23.284Z","text":"收件人的电话是要写的呀。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q43a0e15298399c3c524c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc324f2616c5d689656b6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q43a0e15298399c3c524c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q1743008fc044aa656ea4","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":184,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-31T04:53:41.271Z","text":"我这不知道为什么，收件人信息里填的电话是它二巡自己的电话，不是我的电话。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc324f2616c5d689656b6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1743008fc044aa656ea4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc324f2616c5d689656b6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qea86471c1f46458a9a1f","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":185,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-01-31T04:57:54.340Z","text":"我的意思是，我寄出去的时候必须写收件人电话；对方给我邮件的时候则不需要写我的电话，邮局也从不打电话给我。你们那里的情况也许不一样。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea86471c1f46458a9a1f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q5ae3fc8aab83373b77d8","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":186,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-31T04:59:55.178Z","text":"看来美国法院寄件都是这么操作的，所以基本注定，如果没tracking 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Breast是key point","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd5e19b13fa32d8597077","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q03ccf05707c12450af8f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qefe91b5a21d9659884cd","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":192,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-31T07:29:13.501Z","text":"是喜韩农场那个什么小甜吗？我的接贷就是她帮忙弄的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qefe91b5a21d9659884cd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q8a8753c613c289f1f2ba","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":193,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-31T07:29:39.902Z","text":"他是奶控","edited":false,"reply_to":"q03ccf05707c12450af8f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8a8753c613c289f1f2ba","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q03ccf05707c12450af8f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qd8eccfed91ea69a95720","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":194,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-01-31T07:31:48.584Z","text":"https://x.com/baoliaogeming/status/2017500961837879621?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd8eccfed91ea69a95720","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q7bc5480c459451cdc62e","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":195,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-01-31T07:32:14.183Z","text":"多去SanF 的Fisherman’s Wharf 和金山市场 那里亚裔cup大","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8a8753c613c289f1f2ba","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7bc5480c459451cdc62e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8a8753c613c289f1f2ba","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qfba6ad431d2ac471fdfa","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":196,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-31T07:33:29.739Z","text":"俺对那个不感冒，俺是腿控😆","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7bc5480c459451cdc62e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfba6ad431d2ac471fdfa","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7bc5480c459451cdc62e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qc67c82991d4702661f8e","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":197,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-31T07:35:30.097Z","text":"他可能是娃控😆","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe9de4734384e8840ef09","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc67c82991d4702661f8e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qba76264b8204ff674f69","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":198,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-31T07:42:21.975Z","text":"https://gettr.com/post/p2pdvrq5972","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qba76264b8204ff674f69","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q92e3d61a2a87a4333ab0","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":199,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-31T07:42:30.605Z","text":"［用户 tia***］  这是你吗😄","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q92e3d61a2a87a4333ab0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qa891f8cbe3b85d1df546","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":200,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-01-31T07:45:58.506Z","text":"Cup目测也就B 不到C 不是瑞恩的菜","edited":false,"reply_to":"q92e3d61a2a87a4333ab0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa891f8cbe3b85d1df546","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q92e3d61a2a87a4333ab0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000074","next_batch_id":"batch-000076"}