{"id":"batch-000075","number":75,"revision":1,"date_start":"2026-01-29T14:52:01.216Z","date_end":"2026-02-04T15:28:44.124Z","total_messages":1000,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 075 (Jan 29, 2026 – Feb 4, 2026), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. From Jan 29 to Feb 4, 2026 (batch 75, 1000 messages), participants argued that judicial discretion and appeals, not prosecution rhetoric, control the likely direction, while disputing whether CVRA and 21 U.S.C. § 853(n) still provide actionable relief. They debated 853(n)(6)(A)/(B)—pre-existing superior property rights versus bona fide purchase—and cited the 2024-08-22 freeze plus 2024-10-22 timeline under § 853(n)(2). They also disputed evidence reliability, then moved into political-control narratives. Community statements, not court findings.","guide_en":[{"title":"Judicial discretion and appeals were treated as the main battlefield, with many separating prosecutorial statements from the operative process","description":"Participants argued that judge decisions and appeals are the key route, while some contended that prosecution remarks are largely irrelevant and one message claimed the 853 track had already ended. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q4582ba255e19c80c6f61","q7a607ce38698b048c7ef","q4341ade18961e7b7d860"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q4582ba255e19c80c6f61","summary_en":"One participant said prosecution commentary had no effect on the matter. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q7a607ce38698b048c7ef","summary_en":"Another participant said only judicial decisions and appeals currently had practical effect. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q4341ade18961e7b7d860","summary_en":"A further participant stated that the 853 proceedings were already over. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Use of 853(n) and CVRA split participants between procedural and money-focused strategies","description":"Participants disputed whether 853(n) and CVRA can still be used for useful relief, with some arguing financial claims are a dead end and others contending CVRA can support procedural arguments against a denied access path. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qfa9ef43f63e3f9252d83","q0ecd605b40f6c505b112","q5986b0c45c84a389654c"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qfa9ef43f63e3f9252d83","summary_en":"A participant argued that a pure 853(n) money motion has no positive or negative effect for Guo. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q0ecd605b40f6c505b112","summary_en":"Another participant said CVRA can be used for procedural justice, but money claims still need 853(n) to separate victim framing. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q5986b0c45c84a389654c","summary_en":"Another participant maintained that the statutory filing window had passed, but distinguished that from alleging no access to 853(n) due to procedural blocking from notice and entry issues. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"The 853(n)(6) A/B split became central, with repeated disputes over priority interests and bona fide purchase claims","description":"Participants contend that the key legal disagreement is whether subsection (A) or (B) can support relief, with recurring claims that subsection (A) is difficult while subsection (B) may be easier when supported by transaction evidence. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qbd422151e638040f02b8","qec418a7f427428f7fca0","q106e800b65a6da6edd6a"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qbd422151e638040f02b8","summary_en":"One participant explained A requires proving ownership priority over the defendant, while B requires bona fide purchaser status. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qec418a7f427428f7fca0","summary_en":"Another participant quoted and contrasted 853(n)(6)(A) superior prior interest with 853(n)(6)(B) bona fide purchaser protections. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q106e800b65a6da6edd6a","summary_en":"A participant said proving subsection A is hard but suggested subsection B may be easier, citing 6,000-investor data. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Filing path became proceduralized, with competing views on writ versus cert, mandamus access, and docket realities","description":"Participants debated route mechanics, contending that classification between writ and cert matters, while also discussing whether cert or mandamus access is easier when docketing barriers and court entry requirements are applied. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q9cbf9aaa623321f31463","qcacf3ba3b2c4f59a4620","qf851996a1be5324340d8"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q9cbf9aaa623321f31463","summary_en":"A participant corrected that the filing was a writ, not a cert petition. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qcacf3ba3b2c4f59a4620","summary_en":"Another participant said a cert filing has a case number and a ruling attached. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf851996a1be5324340d8","summary_en":"A participant opined cert docketing is easier than mandamus docketing. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Reversal versus sentence reduction remained contested, with pre-sentencing remedy limits repeatedly asserted","description":"Participants largely claimed defense counsel cannot secure a pre-sentence reversal, while the possibility of sentence reduction remained a narrower disputed point rather than a settled claim. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q043be3515f51f61d63f5","q82f58bc1d74763ca59ce","qc3f1196e2222c52a1269"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q043be3515f51f61d63f5","summary_en":"A participant said counsel cannot overturn the case before sentencing. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q82f58bc1d74763ca59ce","summary_en":"Another participant echoed that pre-sentencing change through counsel is impossible. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qc3f1196e2222c52a1269","summary_en":"A further participant argued that without major breakthrough, pre-sentencing reversal remains unlikely regardless of counsel. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Victim and creditor boundaries were repeatedly redrawn around Gale, digital-bank investors, and loss-count scope","description":"Participants disputed who is counted as a victim, with claims that a 6,000-plus group was excluded by counsel and competing assertions that court control over victim-count definition should govern. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q44525c1b297829b0cae7","q73e92be11b6f8b07d9ec","q5f237ba927208622037b"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q44525c1b297829b0cae7","summary_en":"One participant said counsel forcefully treated Gale’s 6,000-plus group as not being victims. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q73e92be11b6f8b07d9ec","summary_en":"Another user observed counsel activity and suggested sentencing would not be easy. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q5f237ba927208622037b","summary_en":"A participant stated the number of victims is decided by the court. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Evidence chain and disclosure were heavily disputed, with no shared view on whether DOJ/Brady materials are complete or trustworthy","description":"Participants contested evidentiary integrity, arguing over whether DOJ materials and investor emails are authentic, complete, and legally persuasive, and whether disclosure supports any meaningful procedural challenge. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qee644d5d50f4417e3c80","q15fc554e0ee49b96f334","q0388409a3a7e88910ed6"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qee644d5d50f4417e3c80","summary_en":"A participant dismissed claims as false unless they linked to CCP, showing distrust of presented material. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q15fc554e0ee49b96f334","summary_en":"Another participant questioned what alleged revelations were actually significant. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q0388409a3a7e88910ed6","summary_en":"A participant stated that prosecutors had provided investors’ emails to defense counsel. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Governance risk claims around impersonation and leaks shifted debate toward trust and rumor management","description":"Participants argued that identity misuse and pre-announced leaks created a parallel dispute over group governance, with some treating message leaks as unreliable and escalating trust concerns beyond legal merits. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q5c90fbf58253a81cf52c","qad6015bf09f1473c2d6a","q1c650c52291210e715ee"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q5c90fbf58253a81cf52c","summary_en":"One participant said someone had impersonated them. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qad6015bf09f1473c2d6a","summary_en":"Another relayed a claim that a major disclosure was coming and directed inquiries to a specific user. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q1c650c52291210e715ee","summary_en":"A follow-up participant asked what that user actually knew. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Politicalized narratives and legal framing coexisted in open dispute without convergence on motive or intent","description":"Participants contested whether the case was tied to electoral and media-control narratives, with some arguing for coordinated suppression and others challenging any direct political-cause linkage. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q95458cdcf51b178f70f2","q6ae15782779ac8214fba","q603442fdb48688438773"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q95458cdcf51b178f70f2","summary_en":"One participant argued the scene resembled controlled narrative management and media suppression tactics. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q6ae15782779ac8214fba","summary_en":"Another participant framed the case as part of midterm election strategy and pressure, alleging coordinated benefit if control is maintained. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q603442fdb48688438773","summary_en":"A participant questioned any direct relation between the case and the Communist Party. Community statements, not court 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［用户 xin***］","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4a259a04befd1efde3ae","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q043be3515f51f61d63f5","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":611,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T06:11:34.422Z","text":"量刑前 律师不可能翻案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q043be3515f51f61d63f5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q603222aee846e237e721","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":612,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-04T06:11:43.418Z","text":"翻不了案和我有什么区别","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q603222aee846e237e721","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qcb6522463b32b355b913","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":613,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-02-04T06:12:34.414Z","text":"GTV陪审团裁决矛盾，也没有再次提及。之前他们说过陪审团混合裁决矛盾。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcb6522463b32b355b913","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qfc0e1ca4852c39e1414f","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":614,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T06:12:57.376Z","text":"量刑辩护 不碰实质 这就是实质了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcb6522463b32b355b913","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfc0e1ca4852c39e1414f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcb6522463b32b355b913","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q82f58bc1d74763ca59ce","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":615,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T06:13:15.760Z","text":"量刑前 靠律师 绝不可能","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q82f58bc1d74763ca59ce","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qe9c5c604adbd4b63d1cb","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":616,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T06:13:20.938Z","text":"只有靠第三方","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe9c5c604adbd4b63d1cb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qcec2e61709c9c0146aa6","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":617,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-04T06:14:46.527Z","text":"他们这么拖下去有啥意义 直接量刑不行吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcec2e61709c9c0146aa6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q0886c15dbbe4bcfde6ae","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":618,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-02-04T06:15:48.506Z","text":"你感觉介入案件，去催促法官，立刻判了郭文贵，行不行啊？我支持你","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcec2e61709c9c0146aa6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0886c15dbbe4bcfde6ae","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcec2e61709c9c0146aa6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q8b9fd35cdbc47bbb7d48","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":619,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T06:17:33.181Z","text":"个人不能自己去注册，要先跟书记员沟通申请，他同意后提交一个申请表格","edited":false,"reply_to":"q21a10b69c7e9a93a12dc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8b9fd35cdbc47bbb7d48","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q21a10b69c7e9a93a12dc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qda78b319fb54c8175d75","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":620,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-02-04T06:18:08.903Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 你让瑞恩也去注册一个？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qda78b319fb54c8175d75","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q9cd753251a74c4d46d3a","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":621,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T06:18:34.610Z","text":"瑞恩钱没地方花 估计还是喜欢发纸质😄","edited":false,"reply_to":"qda78b319fb54c8175d75","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9cd753251a74c4d46d3a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qda78b319fb54c8175d75","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q677d84ec479bef01694f","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":622,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-02-04T06:18:57.572Z","text":"纸质慢啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9cd753251a74c4d46d3a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q677d84ec479bef01694f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9cd753251a74c4d46d3a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q13db3eddf4e5284026a0","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":623,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T06:19:17.857Z","text":"serve 用纸质","edited":false,"reply_to":"q677d84ec479bef01694f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q13db3eddf4e5284026a0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q677d84ec479bef01694f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q6f7cbdf698bc738ceaf4","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":624,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T06:19:28.402Z","text":"文件直接用二巡自诉邮箱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6f7cbdf698bc738ceaf4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qa2b386e8b271038854c1","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":625,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T06:19:37.463Z","text":"但如果是动议 确实还是ecf简单","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa2b386e8b271038854c1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q1535ad0c47c1232834b0","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":626,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-02-04T06:20:29.733Z","text":"还有1.64亿没有被追回，那群诈骗犯搞的钱不少啊。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1535ad0c47c1232834b0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qbcf68a5deff6854ced61","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":627,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-04T06:20:37.287Z","text":"你们要等到量刑 还讨论个啥","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbcf68a5deff6854ced61","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qb0efbfb4b74f6e8a46a4","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":628,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-04T06:20:46.900Z","text":"deng等量刑以后再讨论呗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb0efbfb4b74f6e8a46a4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qc871220d4cfd7292b0f4","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":629,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T06:21:21.497Z","text":"基于 799 号文件全文结构与论证方式 �，可以从三个层面客观分析：\n一、是否在“拉开责任边界”？\n是的，在法律责任层面明显在划界。\n但这种划界是“没收法意义上的责任划分”，而不是刑事共谋层面的公开切割。\n文件反复强调三个核心点：\n1️⃣ 个人取得原则（Honeycutt 框架）\n辩方反复主张：\n只能没收被告“个人实际取得”的收益。\n这实际上是在法律上切断：\n共谋总收益 ≠ 个人可没收金额\n企业收益 ≠ Guo个人收益\n这属于明确的“财产责任去共谋化”。\n2️⃣ 资金控制权不在Guo\n文件强调：\n账户由公司或他人控制\n银行CEO证称Guo不是最终受益人\n政府曾称王雁是“day-to-day boss”\n这不是在否认共谋存在，而是在说：\n即便存在共谋结构，运营与资金控制在他人手中。\n这是典型的“个人可罚范围缩窄策略”。\n3️⃣ 破产与第三方资产\n辩方强调：\n政府对可没收资产享有优先权\n不应通过个人金钱判决弥补资产流向\n这同样是在切断：\n企业层面资产 ≠ 自动归入Guo个人负债。\n结论一：\n这份文件确实在法律责任层面划出边界，\n但没有出现情绪化或公开指责“共谋者转移责任”的语言。\n属于理性、技术性分离。\n二、是否暗示内部责任分化？\n是的，但方式非常克制。\n文件中的微妙信号包括：\n强调“他人控制实体”\n引用政府对王雁角色的表述\n强调Guo无形式控制权\n这在量刑阶段属于：\n“角色差异论”（role differentiation）\n这类论证通常意味着：\n为减轻领导者角色加重因素（leadership enhancement）\n为避免全额责任承担\n为将部分行为定位为他人独立决策\n但文件没有：\n指控共谋者转嫁责任\n指控内部操控\n指控虚构损失\n因此它不是“内部撕裂”，而是“责任精细化”。\n三、对未来量刑有什么信号？\n这份文件在量刑层面释放了三个强烈信号：\n1️⃣ 强调诈骗范围未确定\n大量强调：\n许多投资人否认自己是受害人\n政府未确定损失金额\n不应采用笼统推定\n这直接影响：\nLoss calculation（损失额）\n受害人人数加重\n大规模诈骗量刑级别\n这是量刑减轻的重要基础。\n2️⃣ 反对使用无罪行为（GTV）\n引用：\n2024量刑指南修正\nacquitted conduct 争议\nSupreme Court 相关讨论\n这显然是为：\n量刑阶段限制事实认定范围\n为上诉保留宪法问题\n3️⃣ 抵扣原则与过度罚款条款\n文件强调：\n已追回资金超过11亿美元\n政府不得双重追偿\nExcessive Fines Clause\n这在为：\nEighth Amendment 挑战\n没收比例合宪性问题\n上诉阶段准备记录\n四、对未来上诉的信号\n这份文件是典型的“上诉保留式文书”。\n它已经埋下几个上诉点：\nacquitted conduct 是否可用于没收\nHoneycutt 是否被正确适用\nforfeiture 是否构成过度罚款\n是否存在双重追偿\nnexus 是否充分\n这些都是二巡可能认真审查的问题。\n五、整体战略风格\n这份文件的风格是：\n不否认陪审团裁决（形式上尊重）\n但大幅压缩可处罚范围\n将案件重构为“复杂财产争议”\n弱化“诈骗规模叙事”\n它在逻辑上把案件从：\n“千人诈骗、13亿损失”\n转为：\n“范围未明、金额待核、个人取得有限”\n综合结论\n问题\n结论\n是否拉开责任边界\n是，在财产责任层面明显划界\n是否暗示内部责任分化\n有轻微信号，但克制，不是公开切割\n对量刑信号\n明显试图压低损失额与责任级别\n对上诉信号\n明确保留多项可审查宪法与没收问题","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc871220d4cfd7292b0f4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qd2896f85080f06a58026","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":630,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T06:21:41.226Z","text":"青们怎么不是骗\n辩方律师可以质疑盖尔6000人里面 有投资者反对没收\nHamilton这些人 填的表 第一句前提就是 不反对没收（forfeiture ）只是要向政府请愿（petition)\n辩方都没法质疑。。。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd2896f85080f06a58026","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q3cbf746aacc9e313ffee","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":631,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-02-04T06:25:30.575Z","text":"律师只要在往那些钱没有被转移为被告个人所得这个方向说，就算是在履行职责。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3cbf746aacc9e313ffee","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q55aebe51c8fb89ba4655","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":632,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T06:27:32.986Z","text":"在 799 号文件中，辩方专门有一节（Section III.D）说明：\n2026年1月20日庭前量刑会议（pre-sentencing conference）之后，媒体报道引发大量邮件发送给辩护律师。\n文件原文表述为（概述）：\n对 1 月 20 日庭前会议的报道\n“generated a number of emails to defense counsel”\n发件人自称是相关投资人\n他们否认自己是受害人\n有些人称曾在压力下向政府投诉\n有些人担心报复，要求保密\n这一段出现在文件第 III.D 部分 \n不过需要精确区分：\n文件使用的是 “a number of emails”（数量若干）\n并没有使用 “a flood” 或 “hundreds/thousands” 之类的描述\n没有声称是大规模集中行动\n也没有暗示组织性动员\n辩方的用意是：\n说明存在更多否认受害身份的人；\n表示正在核实这些陈述；\n为缩小诈骗范围论证提供补充材料；\n解释为何尚未列出确切人数与金额。\n总结：\n是的，辩方明确提到 1 月 20 日之后收到不少支持者邮件，但表述谨慎、克制，并未描述为异常集中或有组织的行动。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q55aebe51c8fb89ba4655","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q683b19113a9352d62581","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":633,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T06:32:00.282Z","text":"郭有些视频确实很有问题，包括他的音乐视频","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q683b19113a9352d62581","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q163572bea991e7fc03aa","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":634,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T06:33:09.012Z","text":"Hamilton这些大额投资者 没有一个有种的 \n喜交所盖尔6000人里 还有站出来反对没收\n这大额的这些 在法庭上没有任何不同声音 全是请愿petition","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd2896f85080f06a58026","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q163572bea991e7fc03aa","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd2896f85080f06a58026","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qd405fa592e4f9e831305","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":635,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-04T06:33:23.251Z","text":"他们为什么要提 你又不给他们钱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd405fa592e4f9e831305","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qa6da27a54f0117c5f9d3","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":636,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T06:33:27.273Z","text":"这就是为什么庭审的时候检方不断播放他那个马背英雄的视频","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa6da27a54f0117c5f9d3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q5346bedf4e4178d65e99","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":637,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-04T06:34:48.119Z","text":"一个堂堂大美利坚的法庭 程序正不正义搞了4年 长见识了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5346bedf4e4178d65e99","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qe5851400ba6ecbdfdc76","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":638,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T06:35:05.444Z","text":"你看那Hamilton的描述 都是[屏蔽词] 去petition 不反对没收 \n辩方都没法替他们说话 该","edited":true,"reply_to":"q0e649d622d892f7c684a","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe5851400ba6ecbdfdc76","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q97450e4188e5a126f0bc","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":639,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-04T06:36:02.092Z","text":"你们到底在期待谁给郭翻案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q97450e4188e5a126f0bc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q811e917e558140a04104","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":640,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T06:37:47.739Z","text":"谁愿意翻就去翻呗，郭自己都不想翻案","edited":false,"reply_to":"q97450e4188e5a126f0bc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q811e917e558140a04104","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q97450e4188e5a126f0bc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q0616cf0dc7df6451a676","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":641,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T06:38:40.018Z","text":"辩方说了啊，盖尔6000人，数字银行100人，都不是受害者","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe5851400ba6ecbdfdc76","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0616cf0dc7df6451a676","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe5851400ba6ecbdfdc76","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qb5d4305b0908b8190833","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":642,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-02-04T06:40:07.160Z","text":"检方连谁是受害人、受害金额都不知道， 法官怎么量刑？ \n\n这三个律师做了大量工作； 他们切入的点是在钱上。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb5d4305b0908b8190833","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q3a8570819781d1f2d669","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":643,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T06:40:08.693Z","text":"你这么说 有种的只有瑞恩 全场只有他提出来 司法欺诈 没资格没收 没收令应该作废","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1420abba8cb98fddf260","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3a8570819781d1f2d669","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q62444949ce1be89ae9f8","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":644,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T06:40:10.286Z","text":"6000人里 有反对没收 不要向政府petition的  辩方称是member\n数字银行 没有反对的 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都已经谢天谢地了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7060e4db7fe512a62325","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q8235a2c2670c0f22527c","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":672,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T06:47:48.208Z","text":"老郭这人，没法说😆","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8235a2c2670c0f22527c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q29a1b4205ea7649a6588","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":673,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T06:47:49.821Z","text":"律师啥都知道","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa81a088489b7c6bf098d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q29a1b4205ea7649a6588","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa81a088489b7c6bf098d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q77a1d2e3db70e1157d1b","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":674,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T06:48:03.621Z","text":"郭做事太中国了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q77a1d2e3db70e1157d1b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q8c3b261a55d86e3724c5","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":675,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-02-04T06:48:04.383Z","text":"任何证据， 按照法律， 检方辩方如果单方面拿到了， 都必须马上联系对方 把材料给对方","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8c3b261a55d86e3724c5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q6af1895ebcbf5b8d3cc9","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":676,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T06:48:04.433Z","text":"律师的问题","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8235a2c2670c0f22527c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6af1895ebcbf5b8d3cc9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8235a2c2670c0f22527c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q0fd9f6b407fcbb540b67","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":677,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T06:48:16.564Z","text":"也不是吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6af1895ebcbf5b8d3cc9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0fd9f6b407fcbb540b67","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6af1895ebcbf5b8d3cc9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q575b52661ffc2b7907c7","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":678,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-04T06:48:26.086Z","text":"老郭不想出来了 里面舒服 不用做直播","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q575b52661ffc2b7907c7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qebde0f131bdcc040f125","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":679,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-04T06:48:45.352Z","text":"也不用操心致富的事情","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qebde0f131bdcc040f125","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qf6e2d4864a99d60062ee","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":680,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-02-04T06:48:51.303Z","text":"花了大量时间。他们应该是懂这个案子了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7060e4db7fe512a62325","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf6e2d4864a99d60062ee","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7060e4db7fe512a62325","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qc3f1196e2222c52a1269","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":681,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T06:49:13.693Z","text":"［用户 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二巡这幅熊样 最高法也长了见识","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ea30b2c7da57e8a11c7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qb9e326f46a81946147cc","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":705,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T06:57:00.674Z","text":"对啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1b49c290b783080d846c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb9e326f46a81946147cc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1b49c290b783080d846c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qb3d34d2ab849b81936dd","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":706,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T06:57:35.155Z","text":"上次律师的动议也是“郭美”背书的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb3d34d2ab849b81936dd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qcf0443e8c83968b9f50e","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":707,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T06:58:24.032Z","text":"上次那个动议还有铲共奇侠背书","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf0443e8c83968b9f50e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q706743d12ad4a9751a81","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":708,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T06:58:45.531Z","text":"说什么都是郭和律师商量写的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q706743d12ad4a9751a81","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q2e8ce189bf47942a9419","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":709,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-04T06:59:55.356Z","text":"奇侠的兰博基尼拿到了没","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2e8ce189bf47942a9419","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q1fd1f642b024416169d4","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":710,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-02-04T06:59:57.115Z","text":"铲共奇侠是个大坏种。\n老郭出来一定会戳穿他的谎言。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcf0443e8c83968b9f50e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1fd1f642b024416169d4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf0443e8c83968b9f50e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qae4a2e44b07e08e5c80f","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":711,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T07:00:14.865Z","text":"看来郭律师被他们买通了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q706743d12ad4a9751a81","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qae4a2e44b07e08e5c80f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q706743d12ad4a9751a81","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q028068de758cdd338ea0","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":712,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-04T07:01:03.890Z","text":"土匪什么买不通 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500万都不要","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q650b1c50a0d92e48feb7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q0896a9de97b34a8d73b0","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":730,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T07:11:00.578Z","text":"500万算个毛，螺丝哥要的是500亿","edited":false,"reply_to":"q650b1c50a0d92e48feb7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0896a9de97b34a8d73b0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q650b1c50a0d92e48feb7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q70ad7e4581db299cb6d3","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":731,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T07:11:33.833Z","text":"老郭律师现在还是一厢情愿的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9df824159264846a8360","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q70ad7e4581db299cb6d3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9df824159264846a8360","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q5e8757951994119a7d23","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":732,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-04T07:11:39.181Z","text":"有2000万都是人上人了 还500亿","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5e8757951994119a7d23","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qd7848071a320c572e1e6","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":733,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T07:11:52.118Z","text":"把盖尔和数字银行等等全部当成非受害者","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd7848071a320c572e1e6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q5aa41bf6cfbe442deb34","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":734,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T07:12:01.074Z","text":"看看检方怎么回应吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5aa41bf6cfbe442deb34","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q533ddc80910f02567f56","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":735,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-02-04T07:12:06.053Z","text":"为什么不要啊？要了，也要告诉法庭。就像电视剧里面演的一样，经典台词，谁说了，他不在之类的。钱可以拿，还要把给我钱的人捅到法庭上","edited":false,"reply_to":"q650b1c50a0d92e48feb7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q533ddc80910f02567f56","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q650b1c50a0d92e48feb7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q7536d4ed13227ead8c9c","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":736,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T07:12:19.080Z","text":"说实话 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G club最终受益人\n房子Mahesh不在郭名下\n卖Bugatti的Motors也冤 是 LLC Gclub付的款 车还没有提走 就被政府没收了🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q77c53c1dec47977cf0e7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q703163bf505e23936070","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":746,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T07:34:05.754Z","text":"很多重磅证人没上庭","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q703163bf505e23936070","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q168355b0e9fe44288a09","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":747,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T07:34:11.797Z","text":"大家去问问联盟","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q168355b0e9fe44288a09","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qb59e1394f881455ee70c","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":748,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T07:34:12.890Z","text":"为什么","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb59e1394f881455ee70c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qb19802b5b73a81d3c742","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":749,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T07:34:14.191Z","text":"他们这样干当然可以, 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收到大量和量刑有关的证据","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q16f065166d847cb2bb3a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q0ffd6a6de8d66be54c69","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":752,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T07:35:11.532Z","text":"如果检方和法院顺坡下了，也不反对郭律师了，那最后结果就是量刑减少","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0ffd6a6de8d66be54c69","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q5718b0de67907e82864e","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":753,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T07:35:22.704Z","text":"也翻不了案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5718b0de67907e82864e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q7f02b500e16b4196c2db","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":754,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T07:35:29.060Z","text":"律师难道没有疑问 为什么这些证据 没有出现在庭审？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7f02b500e16b4196c2db","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q22c9b042ca61b3643dfd","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":755,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T07:35:37.605Z","text":"律师量刑前绝不可能翻案","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5718b0de67907e82864e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q22c9b042ca61b3643dfd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5718b0de67907e82864e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qc4ecf54b393d2f9ab6f0","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":756,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T07:36:53.416Z","text":"如果青藤一声令下 这么多有用证据都发过去了 那么庭审的时候 是不是长岛 青藤 扣押了这些有用的证据 证人？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc4ecf54b393d2f9ab6f0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q2fb05a6903df1c4c13cf","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":757,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T07:37:02.390Z","text":"也许有些证据不是青藤鼓动的？青藤鼓动也许是想污染？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q16f065166d847cb2bb3a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2fb05a6903df1c4c13cf","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q16f065166d847cb2bb3a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q8ed6538a3e06bd5a248b","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":758,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T07:37:21.370Z","text":"青藤鼓动肯定想污染","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2fb05a6903df1c4c13cf","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ed6538a3e06bd5a248b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2fb05a6903df1c4c13cf","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q975a712242fc48b11549","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":759,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T07:37:48.595Z","text":"但是律师难道就不会想，这些证据为什么庭审的时候没出现 你青藤发一个推就出现了？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q975a712242fc48b11549","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q9e9af64e45b88114ffde","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":760,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T07:38:09.727Z","text":"那青藤之前是谁在控制这些证据证人？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e9af64e45b88114ffde","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q9febb18deb9a79f6c211","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":761,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T07:38:20.102Z","text":"谁负责谁上庭谁不上？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9febb18deb9a79f6c211","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q54c1e6180bd6e5e18637","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":762,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T07:38:27.872Z","text":"大家去挖一挖 这里面事大了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q54c1e6180bd6e5e18637","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qeb82b7b64c0f677f009b","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":763,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T07:38:37.751Z","text":"证据操控 证人阻断 联盟这是重罪","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeb82b7b64c0f677f009b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q90da02b5e09469024dc0","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":764,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T07:38:48.419Z","text":"郭律师任何出格的话都不会说","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q90da02b5e09469024dc0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qb124609bd6a5b113ab6e","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":765,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T07:38:56.467Z","text":"对","edited":false,"reply_to":"q90da02b5e09469024dc0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb124609bd6a5b113ab6e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q90da02b5e09469024dc0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qe4c4e6d90ee3313f2cf5","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":766,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T07:39:14.462Z","text":"法官之前不就说了, 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故意不让上庭的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q989feac5db6252e952ac","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q0755b6c0885d7539c79b","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":768,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T07:39:30.736Z","text":"现在这些人全部被洗脑","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0755b6c0885d7539c79b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q412955ecfdf7ffa44b26","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":769,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T07:39:48.001Z","text":"要不要让瑞恩在二巡强制令 一个一个点名呀？？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q412955ecfdf7ffa44b26","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q7d11aba0776679b71f32","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":770,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T07:40:25.845Z","text":"一旦律师查到 之前有重磅证人 被阻断上庭","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7d11aba0776679b71f32","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q12a4983d553d157aeda4","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":771,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T07:40:32.368Z","text":"这是什么级别证据？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q12a4983d553d157aeda4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qca264efdb7e982c0bc07","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":772,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T07:40:48.110Z","text":"张永兵 刑事罪","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qca264efdb7e982c0bc07","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q71b68746c69e955bea92","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":773,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T07:44:03.820Z","text":"要找的是最后受益人 又不是代言人\n鸟 青 一直不谈这些\n法律文件都在剧透了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q71b68746c69e955bea92","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q7f85cdc30b83b2c96615","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":774,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T07:44:48.026Z","text":"最后受益人都跑路了吧哈哈","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7f85cdc30b83b2c96615","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qa0505db3f0918f7b00af","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":775,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T07:44:54.662Z","text":"说了一大堆只是钱的问题，人的问题只字未提","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc871220d4cfd7292b0f4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa0505db3f0918f7b00af","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc871220d4cfd7292b0f4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q37bf33d853c4ba700fe0","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":776,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-02-04T07:45:17.655Z","text":"啥意思？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa0505db3f0918f7b00af","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q37bf33d853c4ba700fe0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa0505db3f0918f7b00af","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qef6a5cda29aa9ed6b95f","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":777,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-02-04T07:46:12.634Z","text":"怎么可以把他这个骗子绳之以法？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qca264efdb7e982c0bc07","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qef6a5cda29aa9ed6b95f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qca264efdb7e982c0bc07","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q009b0ebe9f2184d8b5a3","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":778,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T07:46:16.439Z","text":"检方程序问题，共谋者的问题，这才是关键，钱的问题也是他们造成的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q37bf33d853c4ba700fe0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q009b0ebe9f2184d8b5a3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q37bf33d853c4ba700fe0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q1aeaae2b5a8c8d219991","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":779,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T07:47:01.781Z","text":"张永兵压制了多少有用的证据","edited":false,"reply_to":"qef6a5cda29aa9ed6b95f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1aeaae2b5a8c8d219991","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qef6a5cda29aa9ed6b95f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q2d2acc44818f6bdd816e","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":780,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T07:47:05.319Z","text":"找出来","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2d2acc44818f6bdd816e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q23ac338235af653341d4","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":781,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T07:47:08.492Z","text":"直接定罪","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q23ac338235af653341d4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q609452b1d1cf506f1660","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":782,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T07:48:33.105Z","text":"不过也有可能郭确实是想保护联盟那些人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q609452b1d1cf506f1660","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q25ba24d17a0708d58a25","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":783,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T07:48:56.360Z","text":"郭这人对同胞还是很好的😆","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q25ba24d17a0708d58a25","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q598bc7de50f15e2676ea","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":784,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T07:49:12.930Z","text":"毕竟都是中国人，还一起共事过","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q598bc7de50f15e2676ea","reply_url":nu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的情况直播，当时我细毫没有想到他是个骗子。当时也被他打了鸡血。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1aeaae2b5a8c8d219991","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6b94fd52b28d6f384829","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1aeaae2b5a8c8d219991","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q140fb59e944df1107f5f","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":786,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T07:49:55.515Z","text":"粪青目的没达到，他肯定会在直播上做手脚，包括战斗室","edited":false,"reply_to":"q55aebe51c8fb89ba4655","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q140fb59e944df1107f5f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q55aebe51c8fb89ba4655","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q8e1b4d1e251e7f2c66b6","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":787,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T07:51:45.850Z","text":"也许在青藤鼓动之前，郭的律师已经收到一些证据了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q140fb59e944df1107f5f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8e1b4d1e251e7f2c66b6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q140fb59e944df1107f5f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qda91860bd004a0cf7268","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":788,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T07:52:00.845Z","text":"那些证据没有被污染","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qda91860bd004a0cf7268","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qeada777aeddce2611b0a","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":789,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T07:52:05.206Z","text":"肯定是 已经有人反水","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8e1b4d1e251e7f2c66b6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeada777aeddce2611b0a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8e1b4d1e251e7f2c66b6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q9193f13b5676d5435ec1","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":790,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T07:52:47.404Z","text":"我觉得郭出来，联盟的人反而安全","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe6312374cfaa9cab3bc9","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9193f13b5676d5435ec1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qab8da9606e8c191ef0fc","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":791,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T07:53:00.009Z","text":"现在张永兵又回去当法务了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6b94fd52b28d6f384829","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qab8da9606e8c191ef0fc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6b94fd52b28d6f384829","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q3e6d8865ca88b35ef993","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":792,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T07:53:00.211Z","text":"我觉得郭本人不会把他们怎么样的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3e6d8865ca88b35ef993","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q4b2fefe3830c708acf80","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":793,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T07:53:01.763Z","text":"他们那些人不明白啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9193f13b5676d5435ec1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4b2fefe3830c708acf80","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9193f13b5676d5435ec1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q243f3e3a5a5983783794","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":794,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T07:54:03.677Z","text":"我觉得联盟的人也应该知道这点的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q243f3e3a5a5983783794","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q413cfd6b23ea3f7bfe01","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":795,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T07:54:03.741Z","text":"就他那个怂样？我觉得他没那个种","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe6312374cfaa9cab3bc9","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q413cfd6b23ea3f7bfe01","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q0bfe35a30cc7c6845455","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":796,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T07:54:40.051Z","text":"别太乐观，郭出来还指不定念谁的好呢","edited":false,"reply_to":"q75e6e0d9a9e1c397eb9e","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0bfe35a30cc7c6845455","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qc5a8ae850088c9bb173c","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":797,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T07:55:02.715Z","text":"哈哈哈，郭是仁君","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc5a8ae850088c9bb173c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q95b775c09732cc5827ec","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":798,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T07:55:28.087Z","text":"他是半推半就 但现在已经没了退路","edited":false,"reply_to":"q413cfd6b23ea3f7bfe01","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q95b775c09732cc5827ec","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q413cfd6b23ea3f7bfe01","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q2170bdb54493b7fff468","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":799,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T07:55:31.744Z","text":"现在回看，那几年他被联盟耍的跟猴一样","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2170bdb54493b7fff468","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qa690e5655f86d77a8863","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":800,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T07:55:43.198Z","text":"除非他自己亲口解释清楚","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa690e5655f86d77a8863","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000074","next_batch_id":"batch-000076"}