{"id":"batch-000075","number":75,"revision":1,"date_start":"2026-01-29T14:52:01.216Z","date_end":"2026-02-04T15:28:44.124Z","total_messages":1000,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 075 (Jan 29, 2026 – Feb 4, 2026), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Discussions focused on legal strategies following the verdict, emphasizing judicial discretion and appellate processes over prosecutorial statements. Participants debated whether motions under 21 U.S.C. § 853(n) and the Crime Victims' Rights Act could influence sentencing or remain limited to asset forfeiture. Disagreements centered on petitioning as bona fide purchasers under § 853(n)(6)(B) versus prior titleholders under (A), alongside filing mechanisms, ECF docketing, and evidence disclosure. 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［用户 xin***］","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4a259a04befd1efde3ae","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q043be3515f51f61d63f5","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":611,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T06:11:34.422Z","text":"量刑前 律师不可能翻案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q043be3515f51f61d63f5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q603222aee846e237e721","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":612,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-04T06:11:43.418Z","text":"翻不了案和我有什么区别","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q603222aee846e237e721","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qcb6522463b32b355b913","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":613,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-02-04T06:12:34.414Z","text":"GTV陪审团裁决矛盾，也没有再次提及。之前他们说过陪审团混合裁决矛盾。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcb6522463b32b355b913","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qfc0e1ca4852c39e1414f","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":614,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T06:12:57.376Z","text":"量刑辩护 不碰实质 这就是实质了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcb6522463b32b355b913","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfc0e1ca4852c39e1414f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcb6522463b32b355b913","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q82f58bc1d74763ca59ce","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":615,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T06:13:15.760Z","text":"量刑前 靠律师 绝不可能","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q82f58bc1d74763ca59ce","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qe9c5c604adbd4b63d1cb","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":616,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T06:13:20.938Z","text":"只有靠第三方","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe9c5c604adbd4b63d1cb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qcec2e61709c9c0146aa6","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":617,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-04T06:14:46.527Z","text":"他们这么拖下去有啥意义 直接量刑不行吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcec2e61709c9c0146aa6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q0886c15dbbe4bcfde6ae","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":618,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-02-04T06:15:48.506Z","text":"你感觉介入案件，去催促法官，立刻判了郭文贵，行不行啊？我支持你","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcec2e61709c9c0146aa6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0886c15dbbe4bcfde6ae","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcec2e61709c9c0146aa6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q8b9fd35cdbc47bbb7d48","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":619,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T06:17:33.181Z","text":"个人不能自己去注册，要先跟书记员沟通申请，他同意后提交一个申请表格","edited":false,"reply_to":"q21a10b69c7e9a93a12dc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8b9fd35cdbc47bbb7d48","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q21a10b69c7e9a93a12dc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qda78b319fb54c8175d75","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":620,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-02-04T06:18:08.903Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 你让瑞恩也去注册一个？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qda78b319fb54c8175d75","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q9cd753251a74c4d46d3a","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":621,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T06:18:34.610Z","text":"瑞恩钱没地方花 估计还是喜欢发纸质😄","edited":false,"reply_to":"qda78b319fb54c8175d75","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9cd753251a74c4d46d3a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qda78b319fb54c8175d75","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q677d84ec479bef01694f","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":622,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-02-04T06:18:57.572Z","text":"纸质慢啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9cd753251a74c4d46d3a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q677d84ec479bef01694f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9cd753251a74c4d46d3a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q13db3eddf4e5284026a0","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":623,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T06:19:17.857Z","text":"serve 用纸质","edited":false,"reply_to":"q677d84ec479bef01694f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q13db3eddf4e5284026a0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q677d84ec479bef01694f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q6f7cbdf698bc738ceaf4","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":624,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T06:19:28.402Z","text":"文件直接用二巡自诉邮箱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6f7cbdf698bc738ceaf4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qa2b386e8b271038854c1","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":625,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T06:19:37.463Z","text":"但如果是动议 确实还是ecf简单","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa2b386e8b271038854c1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q1535ad0c47c1232834b0","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":626,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-02-04T06:20:29.733Z","text":"还有1.64亿没有被追回，那群诈骗犯搞的钱不少啊。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1535ad0c47c1232834b0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qbcf68a5deff6854ced61","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":627,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-04T06:20:37.287Z","text":"你们要等到量刑 还讨论个啥","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbcf68a5deff6854ced61","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qb0efbfb4b74f6e8a46a4","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":628,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-04T06:20:46.900Z","text":"deng等量刑以后再讨论呗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb0efbfb4b74f6e8a46a4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qc871220d4cfd7292b0f4","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":629,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T06:21:21.497Z","text":"基于 799 号文件全文结构与论证方式 �，可以从三个层面客观分析：\n一、是否在“拉开责任边界”？\n是的，在法律责任层面明显在划界。\n但这种划界是“没收法意义上的责任划分”，而不是刑事共谋层面的公开切割。\n文件反复强调三个核心点：\n1️⃣ 个人取得原则（Honeycutt 框架）\n辩方反复主张：\n只能没收被告“个人实际取得”的收益。\n这实际上是在法律上切断：\n共谋总收益 ≠ 个人可没收金额\n企业收益 ≠ Guo个人收益\n这属于明确的“财产责任去共谋化”。\n2️⃣ 资金控制权不在Guo\n文件强调：\n账户由公司或他人控制\n银行CEO证称Guo不是最终受益人\n政府曾称王雁是“day-to-day boss”\n这不是在否认共谋存在，而是在说：\n即便存在共谋结构，运营与资金控制在他人手中。\n这是典型的“个人可罚范围缩窄策略”。\n3️⃣ 破产与第三方资产\n辩方强调：\n政府对可没收资产享有优先权\n不应通过个人金钱判决弥补资产流向\n这同样是在切断：\n企业层面资产 ≠ 自动归入Guo个人负债。\n结论一：\n这份文件确实在法律责任层面划出边界，\n但没有出现情绪化或公开指责“共谋者转移责任”的语言。\n属于理性、技术性分离。\n二、是否暗示内部责任分化？\n是的，但方式非常克制。\n文件中的微妙信号包括：\n强调“他人控制实体”\n引用政府对王雁角色的表述\n强调Guo无形式控制权\n这在量刑阶段属于：\n“角色差异论”（role differentiation）\n这类论证通常意味着：\n为减轻领导者角色加重因素（leadership enhancement）\n为避免全额责任承担\n为将部分行为定位为他人独立决策\n但文件没有：\n指控共谋者转嫁责任\n指控内部操控\n指控虚构损失\n因此它不是“内部撕裂”，而是“责任精细化”。\n三、对未来量刑有什么信号？\n这份文件在量刑层面释放了三个强烈信号：\n1️⃣ 强调诈骗范围未确定\n大量强调：\n许多投资人否认自己是受害人\n政府未确定损失金额\n不应采用笼统推定\n这直接影响：\nLoss calculation（损失额）\n受害人人数加重\n大规模诈骗量刑级别\n这是量刑减轻的重要基础。\n2️⃣ 反对使用无罪行为（GTV）\n引用：\n2024量刑指南修正\nacquitted conduct 争议\nSupreme Court 相关讨论\n这显然是为：\n量刑阶段限制事实认定范围\n为上诉保留宪法问题\n3️⃣ 抵扣原则与过度罚款条款\n文件强调：\n已追回资金超过11亿美元\n政府不得双重追偿\nExcessive Fines Clause\n这在为：\nEighth Amendment 挑战\n没收比例合宪性问题\n上诉阶段准备记录\n四、对未来上诉的信号\n这份文件是典型的“上诉保留式文书”。\n它已经埋下几个上诉点：\nacquitted conduct 是否可用于没收\nHoneycutt 是否被正确适用\nforfeiture 是否构成过度罚款\n是否存在双重追偿\nnexus 是否充分\n这些都是二巡可能认真审查的问题。\n五、整体战略风格\n这份文件的风格是：\n不否认陪审团裁决（形式上尊重）\n但大幅压缩可处罚范围\n将案件重构为“复杂财产争议”\n弱化“诈骗规模叙事”\n它在逻辑上把案件从：\n“千人诈骗、13亿损失”\n转为：\n“范围未明、金额待核、个人取得有限”\n综合结论\n问题\n结论\n是否拉开责任边界\n是，在财产责任层面明显划界\n是否暗示内部责任分化\n有轻微信号，但克制，不是公开切割\n对量刑信号\n明显试图压低损失额与责任级别\n对上诉信号\n明确保留多项可审查宪法与没收问题","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc871220d4cfd7292b0f4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qd2896f85080f06a58026","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":630,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T06:21:41.226Z","text":"青们怎么不是骗\n辩方律师可以质疑盖尔6000人里面 有投资者反对没收\nHamilton这些人 填的表 第一句前提就是 不反对没收（forfeiture ）只是要向政府请愿（petition)\n辩方都没法质疑。。。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd2896f85080f06a58026","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q3cbf746aacc9e313ffee","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":631,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-02-04T06:25:30.575Z","text":"律师只要在往那些钱没有被转移为被告个人所得这个方向说，就算是在履行职责。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3cbf746aacc9e313ffee","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q55aebe51c8fb89ba4655","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":632,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T06:27:32.986Z","text":"在 799 号文件中，辩方专门有一节（Section III.D）说明：\n2026年1月20日庭前量刑会议（pre-sentencing conference）之后，媒体报道引发大量邮件发送给辩护律师。\n文件原文表述为（概述）：\n对 1 月 20 日庭前会议的报道\n“generated a number of emails to defense counsel”\n发件人自称是相关投资人\n他们否认自己是受害人\n有些人称曾在压力下向政府投诉\n有些人担心报复，要求保密\n这一段出现在文件第 III.D 部分 \n不过需要精确区分：\n文件使用的是 “a number of emails”（数量若干）\n并没有使用 “a flood” 或 “hundreds/thousands” 之类的描述\n没有声称是大规模集中行动\n也没有暗示组织性动员\n辩方的用意是：\n说明存在更多否认受害身份的人；\n表示正在核实这些陈述；\n为缩小诈骗范围论证提供补充材料；\n解释为何尚未列出确切人数与金额。\n总结：\n是的，辩方明确提到 1 月 20 日之后收到不少支持者邮件，但表述谨慎、克制，并未描述为异常集中或有组织的行动。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q55aebe51c8fb89ba4655","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q683b19113a9352d62581","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":633,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T06:32:00.282Z","text":"郭有些视频确实很有问题，包括他的音乐视频","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q683b19113a9352d62581","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q163572bea991e7fc03aa","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":634,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T06:33:09.012Z","text":"Hamilton这些大额投资者 没有一个有种的 \n喜交所盖尔6000人里 还有站出来反对没收\n这大额的这些 在法庭上没有任何不同声音 全是请愿petition","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd2896f85080f06a58026","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q163572bea991e7fc03aa","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd2896f85080f06a58026","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qd405fa592e4f9e831305","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":635,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-04T06:33:23.251Z","text":"他们为什么要提 你又不给他们钱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd405fa592e4f9e831305","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qa6da27a54f0117c5f9d3","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":636,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T06:33:27.273Z","text":"这就是为什么庭审的时候检方不断播放他那个马背英雄的视频","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa6da27a54f0117c5f9d3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q5346bedf4e4178d65e99","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":637,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-04T06:34:48.119Z","text":"一个堂堂大美利坚的法庭 程序正不正义搞了4年 长见识了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5346bedf4e4178d65e99","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qe5851400ba6ecbdfdc76","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":638,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T06:35:05.444Z","text":"你看那Hamilton的描述 都是[屏蔽词] 去petition 不反对没收 \n辩方都没法替他们说话 该","edited":true,"reply_to":"q0e649d622d892f7c684a","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe5851400ba6ecbdfdc76","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q97450e4188e5a126f0bc","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":639,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-04T06:36:02.092Z","text":"你们到底在期待谁给郭翻案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q97450e4188e5a126f0bc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q811e917e558140a04104","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":640,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T06:37:47.739Z","text":"谁愿意翻就去翻呗，郭自己都不想翻案","edited":false,"reply_to":"q97450e4188e5a126f0bc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q811e917e558140a04104","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q97450e4188e5a126f0bc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q0616cf0dc7df6451a676","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":641,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T06:38:40.018Z","text":"辩方说了啊，盖尔6000人，数字银行100人，都不是受害者","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe5851400ba6ecbdfdc76","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0616cf0dc7df6451a676","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe5851400ba6ecbdfdc76","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qb5d4305b0908b8190833","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":642,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-02-04T06:40:07.160Z","text":"检方连谁是受害人、受害金额都不知道， 法官怎么量刑？ \n\n这三个律师做了大量工作； 他们切入的点是在钱上。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb5d4305b0908b8190833","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q3a8570819781d1f2d669","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":643,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T06:40:08.693Z","text":"你这么说 有种的只有瑞恩 全场只有他提出来 司法欺诈 没资格没收 没收令应该作废","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1420abba8cb98fddf260","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3a8570819781d1f2d669","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q62444949ce1be89ae9f8","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":644,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T06:40:10.286Z","text":"6000人里 有反对没收 不要向政府petition的  辩方称是member\n数字银行 没有反对的 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都已经谢天谢地了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7060e4db7fe512a62325","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q8235a2c2670c0f22527c","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":672,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T06:47:48.208Z","text":"老郭这人，没法说😆","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8235a2c2670c0f22527c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q29a1b4205ea7649a6588","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":673,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T06:47:49.821Z","text":"律师啥都知道","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa81a088489b7c6bf098d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q29a1b4205ea7649a6588","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa81a088489b7c6bf098d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q77a1d2e3db70e1157d1b","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":674,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T06:48:03.621Z","text":"郭做事太中国了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q77a1d2e3db70e1157d1b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q8c3b261a55d86e3724c5","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":675,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-02-04T06:48:04.383Z","text":"任何证据， 按照法律， 检方辩方如果单方面拿到了， 都必须马上联系对方 把材料给对方","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8c3b261a55d86e3724c5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q6af1895ebcbf5b8d3cc9","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":676,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T06:48:04.433Z","text":"律师的问题","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8235a2c2670c0f22527c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6af1895ebcbf5b8d3cc9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8235a2c2670c0f22527c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q0fd9f6b407fcbb540b67","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":677,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T06:48:16.564Z","text":"也不是吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6af1895ebcbf5b8d3cc9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0fd9f6b407fcbb540b67","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6af1895ebcbf5b8d3cc9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q575b52661ffc2b7907c7","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":678,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-04T06:48:26.086Z","text":"老郭不想出来了 里面舒服 不用做直播","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q575b52661ffc2b7907c7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qebde0f131bdcc040f125","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":679,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-04T06:48:45.352Z","text":"也不用操心致富的事情","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qebde0f131bdcc040f125","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qf6e2d4864a99d60062ee","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":680,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-02-04T06:48:51.303Z","text":"花了大量时间。他们应该是懂这个案子了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7060e4db7fe512a62325","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf6e2d4864a99d60062ee","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7060e4db7fe512a62325","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qc3f1196e2222c52a1269","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":681,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T06:49:13.693Z","text":"［用户 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二巡这幅熊样 最高法也长了见识","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ea30b2c7da57e8a11c7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qb9e326f46a81946147cc","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":705,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T06:57:00.674Z","text":"对啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1b49c290b783080d846c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb9e326f46a81946147cc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1b49c290b783080d846c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qb3d34d2ab849b81936dd","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":706,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T06:57:35.155Z","text":"上次律师的动议也是“郭美”背书的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb3d34d2ab849b81936dd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qcf0443e8c83968b9f50e","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":707,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T06:58:24.032Z","text":"上次那个动议还有铲共奇侠背书","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf0443e8c83968b9f50e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q706743d12ad4a9751a81","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":708,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T06:58:45.531Z","text":"说什么都是郭和律师商量写的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q706743d12ad4a9751a81","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q2e8ce189bf47942a9419","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":709,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-04T06:59:55.356Z","text":"奇侠的兰博基尼拿到了没","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2e8ce189bf47942a9419","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q1fd1f642b024416169d4","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":710,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-02-04T06:59:57.115Z","text":"铲共奇侠是个大坏种。\n老郭出来一定会戳穿他的谎言。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcf0443e8c83968b9f50e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1fd1f642b024416169d4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf0443e8c83968b9f50e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qae4a2e44b07e08e5c80f","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":711,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T07:00:14.865Z","text":"看来郭律师被他们买通了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q706743d12ad4a9751a81","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qae4a2e44b07e08e5c80f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q706743d12ad4a9751a81","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q028068de758cdd338ea0","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":712,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-04T07:01:03.890Z","text":"土匪什么买不通 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500万都不要","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q650b1c50a0d92e48feb7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q0896a9de97b34a8d73b0","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":730,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T07:11:00.578Z","text":"500万算个毛，螺丝哥要的是500亿","edited":false,"reply_to":"q650b1c50a0d92e48feb7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0896a9de97b34a8d73b0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q650b1c50a0d92e48feb7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q70ad7e4581db299cb6d3","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":731,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T07:11:33.833Z","text":"老郭律师现在还是一厢情愿的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9df824159264846a8360","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q70ad7e4581db299cb6d3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9df824159264846a8360","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q5e8757951994119a7d23","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":732,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-04T07:11:39.181Z","text":"有2000万都是人上人了 还500亿","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5e8757951994119a7d23","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qd7848071a320c572e1e6","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":733,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T07:11:52.118Z","text":"把盖尔和数字银行等等全部当成非受害者","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd7848071a320c572e1e6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q5aa41bf6cfbe442deb34","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":734,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T07:12:01.074Z","text":"看看检方怎么回应吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5aa41bf6cfbe442deb34","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q533ddc80910f02567f56","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":735,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-02-04T07:12:06.053Z","text":"为什么不要啊？要了，也要告诉法庭。就像电视剧里面演的一样，经典台词，谁说了，他不在之类的。钱可以拿，还要把给我钱的人捅到法庭上","edited":false,"reply_to":"q650b1c50a0d92e48feb7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q533ddc80910f02567f56","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q650b1c50a0d92e48feb7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q7536d4ed13227ead8c9c","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":736,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T07:12:19.080Z","text":"说实话 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G club最终受益人\n房子Mahesh不在郭名下\n卖Bugatti的Motors也冤 是 LLC Gclub付的款 车还没有提走 就被政府没收了🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q77c53c1dec47977cf0e7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q703163bf505e23936070","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":746,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T07:34:05.754Z","text":"很多重磅证人没上庭","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q703163bf505e23936070","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q168355b0e9fe44288a09","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":747,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T07:34:11.797Z","text":"大家去问问联盟","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q168355b0e9fe44288a09","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qb59e1394f881455ee70c","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":748,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T07:34:12.890Z","text":"为什么","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb59e1394f881455ee70c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qb19802b5b73a81d3c742","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":749,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T07:34:14.191Z","text":"他们这样干当然可以, 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收到大量和量刑有关的证据","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q16f065166d847cb2bb3a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q0ffd6a6de8d66be54c69","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":752,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T07:35:11.532Z","text":"如果检方和法院顺坡下了，也不反对郭律师了，那最后结果就是量刑减少","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0ffd6a6de8d66be54c69","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q5718b0de67907e82864e","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":753,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T07:35:22.704Z","text":"也翻不了案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5718b0de67907e82864e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q7f02b500e16b4196c2db","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":754,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T07:35:29.060Z","text":"律师难道没有疑问 为什么这些证据 没有出现在庭审？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7f02b500e16b4196c2db","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q22c9b042ca61b3643dfd","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":755,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T07:35:37.605Z","text":"律师量刑前绝不可能翻案","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5718b0de67907e82864e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q22c9b042ca61b3643dfd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5718b0de67907e82864e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qc4ecf54b393d2f9ab6f0","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":756,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T07:36:53.416Z","text":"如果青藤一声令下 这么多有用证据都发过去了 那么庭审的时候 是不是长岛 青藤 扣押了这些有用的证据 证人？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc4ecf54b393d2f9ab6f0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q2fb05a6903df1c4c13cf","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":757,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T07:37:02.390Z","text":"也许有些证据不是青藤鼓动的？青藤鼓动也许是想污染？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q16f065166d847cb2bb3a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2fb05a6903df1c4c13cf","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q16f065166d847cb2bb3a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q8ed6538a3e06bd5a248b","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":758,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T07:37:21.370Z","text":"青藤鼓动肯定想污染","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2fb05a6903df1c4c13cf","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ed6538a3e06bd5a248b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2fb05a6903df1c4c13cf","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q975a712242fc48b11549","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":759,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T07:37:48.595Z","text":"但是律师难道就不会想，这些证据为什么庭审的时候没出现 你青藤发一个推就出现了？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q975a712242fc48b11549","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q9e9af64e45b88114ffde","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":760,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T07:38:09.727Z","text":"那青藤之前是谁在控制这些证据证人？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e9af64e45b88114ffde","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q9febb18deb9a79f6c211","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":761,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T07:38:20.102Z","text":"谁负责谁上庭谁不上？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9febb18deb9a79f6c211","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q54c1e6180bd6e5e18637","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":762,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T07:38:27.872Z","text":"大家去挖一挖 这里面事大了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q54c1e6180bd6e5e18637","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qeb82b7b64c0f677f009b","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":763,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T07:38:37.751Z","text":"证据操控 证人阻断 联盟这是重罪","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeb82b7b64c0f677f009b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q90da02b5e09469024dc0","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":764,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T07:38:48.419Z","text":"郭律师任何出格的话都不会说","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q90da02b5e09469024dc0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qb124609bd6a5b113ab6e","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":765,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T07:38:56.467Z","text":"对","edited":false,"reply_to":"q90da02b5e09469024dc0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb124609bd6a5b113ab6e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q90da02b5e09469024dc0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qe4c4e6d90ee3313f2cf5","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":766,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T07:39:14.462Z","text":"法官之前不就说了, 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故意不让上庭的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q989feac5db6252e952ac","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q0755b6c0885d7539c79b","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":768,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T07:39:30.736Z","text":"现在这些人全部被洗脑","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0755b6c0885d7539c79b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q412955ecfdf7ffa44b26","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":769,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T07:39:48.001Z","text":"要不要让瑞恩在二巡强制令 一个一个点名呀？？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q412955ecfdf7ffa44b26","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q7d11aba0776679b71f32","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":770,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T07:40:25.845Z","text":"一旦律师查到 之前有重磅证人 被阻断上庭","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7d11aba0776679b71f32","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q12a4983d553d157aeda4","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":771,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T07:40:32.368Z","text":"这是什么级别证据？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q12a4983d553d157aeda4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qca264efdb7e982c0bc07","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":772,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T07:40:48.110Z","text":"张永兵 刑事罪","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qca264efdb7e982c0bc07","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q71b68746c69e955bea92","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":773,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T07:44:03.820Z","text":"要找的是最后受益人 又不是代言人\n鸟 青 一直不谈这些\n法律文件都在剧透了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q71b68746c69e955bea92","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q7f85cdc30b83b2c96615","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":774,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T07:44:48.026Z","text":"最后受益人都跑路了吧哈哈","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7f85cdc30b83b2c96615","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qa0505db3f0918f7b00af","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":775,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T07:44:54.662Z","text":"说了一大堆只是钱的问题，人的问题只字未提","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc871220d4cfd7292b0f4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa0505db3f0918f7b00af","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc871220d4cfd7292b0f4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q37bf33d853c4ba700fe0","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":776,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-02-04T07:45:17.655Z","text":"啥意思？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa0505db3f0918f7b00af","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q37bf33d853c4ba700fe0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa0505db3f0918f7b00af","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qef6a5cda29aa9ed6b95f","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":777,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-02-04T07:46:12.634Z","text":"怎么可以把他这个骗子绳之以法？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qca264efdb7e982c0bc07","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qef6a5cda29aa9ed6b95f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qca264efdb7e982c0bc07","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q009b0ebe9f2184d8b5a3","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":778,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T07:46:16.439Z","text":"检方程序问题，共谋者的问题，这才是关键，钱的问题也是他们造成的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q37bf33d853c4ba700fe0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q009b0ebe9f2184d8b5a3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q37bf33d853c4ba700fe0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q1aeaae2b5a8c8d219991","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":779,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T07:47:01.781Z","text":"张永兵压制了多少有用的证据","edited":false,"reply_to":"qef6a5cda29aa9ed6b95f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1aeaae2b5a8c8d219991","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qef6a5cda29aa9ed6b95f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q2d2acc44818f6bdd816e","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":780,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T07:47:05.319Z","text":"找出来","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2d2acc44818f6bdd816e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q23ac338235af653341d4","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":781,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T07:47:08.492Z","text":"直接定罪","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q23ac338235af653341d4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q609452b1d1cf506f1660","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":782,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T07:48:33.105Z","text":"不过也有可能郭确实是想保护联盟那些人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q609452b1d1cf506f1660","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q25ba24d17a0708d58a25","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":783,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T07:48:56.360Z","text":"郭这人对同胞还是很好的😆","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q25ba24d17a0708d58a25","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q598bc7de50f15e2676ea","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":784,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T07:49:12.930Z","text":"毕竟都是中国人，还一起共事过","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q598bc7de50f15e2676ea","reply_url":nu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的情况直播，当时我细毫没有想到他是个骗子。当时也被他打了鸡血。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1aeaae2b5a8c8d219991","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6b94fd52b28d6f384829","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1aeaae2b5a8c8d219991","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q140fb59e944df1107f5f","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":786,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T07:49:55.515Z","text":"粪青目的没达到，他肯定会在直播上做手脚，包括战斗室","edited":false,"reply_to":"q55aebe51c8fb89ba4655","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q140fb59e944df1107f5f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q55aebe51c8fb89ba4655","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q8e1b4d1e251e7f2c66b6","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":787,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T07:51:45.850Z","text":"也许在青藤鼓动之前，郭的律师已经收到一些证据了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q140fb59e944df1107f5f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8e1b4d1e251e7f2c66b6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q140fb59e944df1107f5f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qda91860bd004a0cf7268","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":788,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T07:52:00.845Z","text":"那些证据没有被污染","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qda91860bd004a0cf7268","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qeada777aeddce2611b0a","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":789,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T07:52:05.206Z","text":"肯定是 已经有人反水","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8e1b4d1e251e7f2c66b6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeada777aeddce2611b0a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8e1b4d1e251e7f2c66b6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q9193f13b5676d5435ec1","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":790,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T07:52:47.404Z","text":"我觉得郭出来，联盟的人反而安全","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe6312374cfaa9cab3bc9","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9193f13b5676d5435ec1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qab8da9606e8c191ef0fc","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":791,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T07:53:00.009Z","text":"现在张永兵又回去当法务了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6b94fd52b28d6f384829","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qab8da9606e8c191ef0fc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6b94fd52b28d6f384829","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q3e6d8865ca88b35ef993","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":792,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T07:53:00.211Z","text":"我觉得郭本人不会把他们怎么样的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3e6d8865ca88b35ef993","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q4b2fefe3830c708acf80","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":793,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T07:53:01.763Z","text":"他们那些人不明白啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9193f13b5676d5435ec1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4b2fefe3830c708acf80","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9193f13b5676d5435ec1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q243f3e3a5a5983783794","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":794,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T07:54:03.677Z","text":"我觉得联盟的人也应该知道这点的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q243f3e3a5a5983783794","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q413cfd6b23ea3f7bfe01","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":795,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T07:54:03.741Z","text":"就他那个怂样？我觉得他没那个种","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe6312374cfaa9cab3bc9","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q413cfd6b23ea3f7bfe01","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q0bfe35a30cc7c6845455","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":796,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T07:54:40.051Z","text":"别太乐观，郭出来还指不定念谁的好呢","edited":false,"reply_to":"q75e6e0d9a9e1c397eb9e","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0bfe35a30cc7c6845455","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qc5a8ae850088c9bb173c","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":797,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T07:55:02.715Z","text":"哈哈哈，郭是仁君","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc5a8ae850088c9bb173c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q95b775c09732cc5827ec","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":798,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T07:55:28.087Z","text":"他是半推半就 但现在已经没了退路","edited":false,"reply_to":"q413cfd6b23ea3f7bfe01","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q95b775c09732cc5827ec","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q413cfd6b23ea3f7bfe01","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q2170bdb54493b7fff468","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":799,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T07:55:31.744Z","text":"现在回看，那几年他被联盟耍的跟猴一样","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2170bdb54493b7fff468","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qa690e5655f86d77a8863","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":800,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T07:55:43.198Z","text":"除非他自己亲口解释清楚","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa690e5655f86d77a8863","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000074","next_batch_id":"batch-000076"}