{"id":"batch-000075","number":75,"revision":1,"date_start":"2026-01-29T14:52:01.216Z","date_end":"2026-02-04T15:28:44.124Z","total_messages":1000,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 075 (Jan 29, 2026 – Feb 4, 2026), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Discussions focused on legal strategies following the verdict, emphasizing judicial discretion and appellate processes over prosecutorial statements. Participants debated whether motions under 21 U.S.C. § 853(n) and the Crime Victims' Rights Act could influence sentencing or remain limited to asset forfeiture. Disagreements centered on petitioning as bona fide purchasers under § 853(n)(6)(B) versus prior titleholders under (A), alongside filing mechanisms, ECF docketing, and evidence disclosure. 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我势不为人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q20ee39fafc4366d8722e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q8cf35cc8ac2b4743d0bc","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":803,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T07:58:06.550Z","text":"他不是说过，他最喜欢看别人耍猴，然后他悄悄放猴子吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2170bdb54493b7fff468","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8cf35cc8ac2b4743d0bc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2170bdb54493b7fff468","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qd0a746d5524b413e12c6","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":804,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T07:59:03.515Z","text":"老郭骂王雁平的时候才是他真实的样子","edited":false,"reply_to":"q38a93e85f67ac322edcb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd0a746d5524b413e12c6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q38a93e85f67ac322edcb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q3ef31cdbdf79d50a48d6","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":805,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T07:59:47.342Z","text":"大陆的老板都这样，起码真实","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3ef31cdbdf79d50a48d6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qc55564ecbbe2c8fb0c1a","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":806,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T08:00:03.868Z","text":"喂，不要被检方带偏！","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7e6a7fe349791d992208","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc55564ecbbe2c8fb0c1a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q63e4d936838d09dea039","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":807,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T08:00:23.830Z","text":"我没被带偏 我觉得检方这个很客观😌","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc55564ecbbe2c8fb0c1a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q63e4d936838d09dea039","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc55564ecbbe2c8fb0c1a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qc0cb95728012aadce77d","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":808,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T08:00:48.822Z","text":"拒绝被联盟带偏😄","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc55564ecbbe2c8fb0c1a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc0cb95728012aadce77d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc55564ecbbe2c8fb0c1a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q50f1c45e64e76ff8e71a","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":809,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T08:01:00.340Z","text":"所以小地鼠吃耗子药了？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qab8da9606e8c191ef0fc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q50f1c45e64e76ff8e71a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qab8da9606e8c191ef0fc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q4144e7bb08c57f565ca6","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":810,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T08:01:15.099Z","text":"哈哈 不知道","edited":false,"reply_to":"q50f1c45e64e76ff8e71a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4144e7bb08c57f565ca6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q50f1c45e64e76ff8e71a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q3a25981e3a00a519ac92","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":811,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-02-04T08:01:19.214Z","text":"郭为什么要留王住18楼？他留了一个马磊还不够吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3a25981e3a00a519ac92","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q85f05a5f10c80e9b13ca","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":812,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T08:01:31.254Z","text":"王啪啪😄","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3a25981e3a00a519ac92","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q85f05a5f10c80e9b13ca","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3a25981e3a00a519ac92","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q5118bc72eaae4ad0e0ba","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":813,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-02-04T08:02:36.283Z","text":"我不信郭会跟她啪啪，这都是砸郭的说的。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q85f05a5f10c80e9b13ca","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5118bc72eaae4ad0e0ba","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q85f05a5f10c80e9b13ca","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qb3b64f4763770c139a70","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":814,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T08:02:59.686Z","text":"王啪啪这个外号我很喜欢🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb3b64f4763770c139a70","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q352ebe2ce590220b7d12","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":815,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T08:03:09.296Z","text":"当然 啪啪估计是假的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q352ebe2ce590220b7d12","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q07f2152331c8c651638e","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":816,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T08:03:36.104Z","text":"王大部分时间都不在18楼","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3a25981e3a00a519ac92","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q07f2152331c8c651638e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3a25981e3a00a519ac92","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q4a21d8e72af61bcc7422","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":817,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T08:03:45.186Z","text":"他有自己的住处","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4a21d8e72af61bcc7422","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q3413b264aa023977170d","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":818,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T08:04:15.801Z","text":"王 我个人推断 就是个特务","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3413b264aa023977170d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qd7f4f98d21ac5a724163","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":819,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T08:04:41.289Z","text":"而且是从盘古时期就安插的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd7f4f98d21ac5a724163","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qd370fffb00916615f013","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":820,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-02-04T08:04:44.269Z","text":"应该是的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3413b264aa023977170d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd370fffb00916615f013","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3413b264aa023977170d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q77fb6d2735943aa3a43e","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":821,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T08:05:08.181Z","text":"王啪啪 啪啪嫂","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q77fb6d2735943aa3a43e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qe9beb966751f94010009","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":822,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-02-04T08:06:00.797Z","text":"抛夫弃子，很反人性，老郭都做不到","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe9beb966751f94010009","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q363fbdd998d32c5fbbb0","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":823,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T08:06:22.410Z","text":"不是特务是什么","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q363fbdd998d32c5fbbb0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q1758a32d37baca8b9f78","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":824,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T08:07:03.162Z","text":"老郭对“特务”“潜伏”的忍受能力应该比一般人要高","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3413b264aa023977170d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1758a32d37baca8b9f78","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3413b264aa023977170d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qb5ccfaa81faf74eacdeb","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":825,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T08:07:19.335Z","text":"老郭说 不抓特务 其实意思就是 全是特务","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1758a32d37baca8b9f78","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb5ccfaa81faf74eacdeb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1758a32d37baca8b9f78","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q69b6ef1924bf44560da3","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":826,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T08:07:45.881Z","text":"所以虽然普通人会对联盟农场的所作所为很生气，我觉得他都无所谓","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q69b6ef1924bf44560da3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qea94ae3d2b7ddfb411d5","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":827,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T08:08:13.073Z","text":"联盟农场还没有完成他期望的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q69b6ef1924bf44560da3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea94ae3d2b7ddfb411d5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q69b6ef1924bf44560da3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qfbe4b47f143090a33a82","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":828,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T08:08:29.929Z","text":"一旦完成了 他马上把这些人打为特务","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfbe4b47f143090a33a82","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qb25b2346d03b39e53ec0","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":829,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T08:10:30.286Z","text":"没说的都是重点","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb25b2346d03b39e53ec0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qf571a277fa7b569b3f40","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":830,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T08:11:13.028Z","text":"这哪来的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb25b2346d03b39e53ec0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf571a277fa7b569b3f40","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb25b2346d03b39e53ec0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qbbc399b9221f2ff5d3dd","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":831,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T08:12:18.566Z","text":"将来光律师费得退多少，500万刀起步","edited":false,"reply_to":"q650b1c50a0d92e48feb7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbbc399b9221f2ff5d3dd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q650b1c50a0d92e48feb7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qc58950c67d26fcde4e20","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":832,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T08:14:24.760Z","text":"在 799 号文件中，辩方确实多次提到 破产受托人（Bankruptcy Trustee），但措辞整体是法律性、程序性的，而不是情绪化攻击。可以分为三个层面理解：\n一、强调受托人已掌握大量资产，应当用于抵扣没收金额\n辩方指出：\n大量现金及资产目前在政府或受托人控制之下；\n若法院认定存在金钱判决；\n这些资产的价值必须进行 offset（抵扣）。\n换言之：\n不应在资产已经被控制或追回的情况下，再对Guo作出全额个人金钱判决。\n二、主张政府对可没收资产享有优先权（relation-back doctrine）\n文件引用刑事没收法规的“追溯归属”原则：\n18 U.S.C. §1963\n18 U.S.C. §981\n21 U.S.C. §853\n辩方的核心论点是：\n如果资产属于可没收财产，那么在犯罪发生时即“归属于美国政府”，\n因此政府对这些资产的权利优先于破产债权人。\n这意味着：\n破产程序不应优先分配这些资产；\n资产应先用于刑事没收或赔偿框架。\n三、批评受托人费用消耗资产（但措辞较为克制）\n辩方重申此前的动议（ECF 724），指出：\n受托人持续掌控资产；\n破产程序中专业费用消耗迅速；\n这可能削弱未来返还投资人的能力。\n这里的逻辑是：\n若资产在破产程序中不断被专业费用吞噬，\n则不利于投资人返还目标。\n这属于政策性论证，而非直接指控受托人违法。\n四、辩方并没有说什么\n值得注意的是：\n没有指控受托人与检方串通；\n没有指控受托人伪造债权；\n没有指控受托人非法占有；\n没有称其行为构成犯罪。\n整体风格是：\n限制责任 + 资产优先权主张 + 抵扣原则\n而不是指控或对抗。\n五、战略意义\n这一部分的真正法律目标是：\n降低个人金钱判决规模；\n防止双重追偿；\n为“Excessive Fines”问题保留记录；\n强调资产已被政府体系控制。\n简洁总结\n辩方关于受托人的立场是：\n资产在其手中；\n若属于可没收财产，应优先归政府；\n其价值应抵扣没收金额；\n不应被破产费用侵蚀。\n属于财产分配结构上的法律主张，而非针对个人的指控.","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf571a277fa7b569b3f40","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc58950c67d26fcde4e20","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf571a277fa7b569b3f40","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q0e027a5e237254c220f9","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":833,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T08:15:46.966Z","text":"上次说的二选一的事，瑞恩在行动吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q703163bf505e23936070","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0e027a5e237254c220f9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q703163bf505e23936070","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q078171de56fd2eb75fd0","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":834,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T08:20:58.950Z","text":"那种两面派的墙头草，谁都不会待见的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4144e7bb08c57f565ca6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q078171de56fd2eb75fd0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4144e7bb08c57f565ca6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qd478c4347f521f612d25","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":835,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T08:26:35.198Z","text":"我这是保护翻案群的核心利益","edited":false,"reply_to":"qffddb2901d494cb7098e","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd478c4347f521f612d25","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qc8ba74119061dc13b26f","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":836,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-02-04T08:26:56.460Z","text":"那倒是。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd478c4347f521f612d25","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc8ba74119061dc13b26f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd478c4347f521f612d25","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qdc570f3520bf8213ee73","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":837,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T08:30:42.494Z","text":"Page 7\n这和青们25年3月份填表宣称的 王案子结束 要承认是王案的victim 接受政府没收forfeiture 申请赦免返还remission 不就矛盾了？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdc570f3520bf8213ee73","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q886530559a7bced70d5f","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":838,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T08:37:45.684Z","text":"我艹，gpt也会撒谎了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q886530559a7bced70d5f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qa345450444e1bf777e55","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":839,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-04T08:38:32.934Z","text":"郭看人也不准","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa345450444e1bf777e55","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qac1b5daf539b7d1657c3","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":840,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T08:58:05.894Z","text":"Page 3\nMisrepresentation \n投资者investors 被“误导”了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qac1b5daf539b7d1657c3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qb3da522077241f065f50","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":841,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T09:04:04.438Z","text":"Page 4\n政府判定投资者被欺骗defrauded\n证据来自5 6个上庭证人（witness testified ）\n但是不能排除这几个 都是演员吧？\n\n投资者又自己宣称（声明）拒绝是受害者\n（Investors disclaim victim status）\n这个的来源 只有可能是那6000多的填表 里面有victim petition这个选项 先被骗成了受害者 后又否认\n青鼓动的 这个没法洗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb3da522077241f065f50","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qf2105c2b0b28ec6d7b15","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":842,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T09:06:11.665Z","text":"这个涉及到盖尔和联盟共谋误导诈骗投资者，也不能说是自己宣称","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb3da522077241f065f50","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf2105c2b0b28ec6d7b15","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb3da522077241f065f50","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qd224a78f4b13fb813e6f","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":843,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T09:17:49.042Z","text":"这帮人真的心黑 \n填表不止是为了定罪 \n还是后面要没收的基础 \n郭的命 投资者的钱 都要 杀人诛心","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd224a78f4b13fb813e6f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qef5a3053f92610742b11","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":844,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T09:19:31.773Z","text":"这些声称被中共迫害的人还找了代理律师？张勇兵吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qef5a3053f92610742b11","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qc37f07ed36c487e35708","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":845,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T09:26:13.266Z","text":"检方如果没有跟联盟共谋的话，下一步就该出来指出共谋污染证据了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc37f07ed36c487e35708","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qa5f621215205e1001f56","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":846,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T09:26:44.189Z","text":"但三年没说过，突然现在说，检方也要解释一下","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa5f621215205e1001f56","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q14412d105796e1773d07","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":847,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T09:27:49.272Z","text":"就算解释清楚了，下一步是不是就该抓共谋犯了?","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q14412d105796e1773d07","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qff009706b492ab31d3c8","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":848,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T09:42:32.241Z","text":"律师说这个是为了谈钱的事，其他的都不提","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8cc63327faa682173f2f","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qff009706b492ab31d3c8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qf52bb711f99d2bc9ebc7","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":849,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T09:43:11.258Z","text":"第三方可以打这个文件里的这一点","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf52bb711f99d2bc9ebc7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qaabf4a4f052fd3afc838","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":850,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T09:48:46.821Z","text":"被告能传唤luc吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaabf4a4f052fd3afc838","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qb09ab7975d4731bf50fd","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":851,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T09:49:07.349Z","text":"证人身份怎么界定？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb09ab7975d4731bf50fd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qc09bc5e93078c64d847e","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":852,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T09:52:47.409Z","text":"辩方律师提到受害者赔偿的问题了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc09bc5e93078c64d847e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q28d4243a79dea351bd81","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":853,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T09:53:53.317Z","text":"这就是之前说的 claim 索赔\n和petition 请愿 的区别","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q28d4243a79dea351bd81","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qf626afac520109bced2a","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":854,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T09:54:35.239Z","text":"索赔是司法程序，请愿是行政程序，去司法部乞讨","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf626afac520109bced2a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qd6583f46d200d679329e","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":855,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T09:54:52.124Z","text":"对的 我一直说的就是这个意思","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf626afac520109bced2a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd6583f46d200d679329e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf626afac520109bced2a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qef799120ca5b6386d6e6","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":856,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T09:55:36.463Z","text":"我之前一直搞不清，联盟发的公告里一会claim一会petition，现在终于清楚了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qef799120ca5b6386d6e6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qbd636976012e95eaea88","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":857,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T09:55:53.951Z","text":"青直播提claim索赔\n但从填表开始 全是忽悠 就是指向petition请愿","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbd636976012e95eaea88","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q4f388a3ee9f6130eef0d","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":858,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T09:56:02.675Z","text":"这帮孙子揣着明白装糊涂，把人们当傻子耍","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f388a3ee9f6130eef0d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q1b5892162d39bbd1b38f","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":859,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T09:56:10.216Z","text":"不过人们也确实是傻","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1b5892162d39bbd1b38f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q973b6a225391aeab6cde","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":860,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T09:58:16.217Z","text":"Claim 绕过政府 直接要赔偿钱原路返还restitution \nPetition 不反对政府没收forfeiture 等政府给减免 remission","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q973b6a225391aeab6cde","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q0231798ac7aac35a5100","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":861,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T09:59:22.303Z","text":"辩方律师这次把钱的事儿说的比较清楚了，看检方会不会发飙","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0231798ac7aac35a5100","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q13bc88bc09fa24354032","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":862,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T10:00:34.730Z","text":"只有853n A 是索赔\n853n B（数字银行的）也是petition 不反对没收\n盖尔的就不提了 全是853i remission","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q13bc88bc09fa24354032","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qa59aaf924eb153a223c0","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":863,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T10:01:16.681Z","text":"律师说了不少喜交所，但是根本没提盖尔，奇怪","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa59aaf924eb153a223c0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q0dbcc3f184586b31ffe2","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":864,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T10:01:54.928Z","text":"luc也单独拿出来说了，盖尔一个字都没提","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0dbcc3f184586b31ffe2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q1a5ec7a80f86c60b0945","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":865,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T10:03:09.897Z","text":"没法说 盖尔就是一中介 揣着明白装糊涂 别人给他什么申请表 他做什么事 青弄的都是853i 只能等没收后减免remission 他借坡下驴","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0dbcc3f184586b31ffe2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1a5ec7a80f86c60b0945","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0dbcc3f184586b31ffe2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q7d48ff8475e7775be84b","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":866,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T10:03:44.985Z","text":"盖尔跟联盟是深度绑定的，只要动了联盟，他就跑不掉","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1a5ec7a80f86c60b0945","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7d48ff8475e7775be84b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1a5ec7a80f86c60b0945","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qbac2fe7865a7cde846ea","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":867,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T10:04:47.708Z","text":"这个 似乎指向代理 盖尔","edited":false,"reply_to":"qac1b5daf539b7d1657c3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbac2fe7865a7cde846ea","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qac1b5daf539b7d1657c3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q4d0ad6a57ddda51f1970","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":868,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T10:13:30.970Z","text":"这些人捞走的钱既然是非法活动所得，不该收回来吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4d0ad6a57ddda51f1970","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qc413c18436aa8f789629","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":869,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T10:15:41.797Z","text":"Page 5-6\n盖尔是老狐狸 最后一个761动议 又把6000人想用回claimant 前面一直是853i \nHamilton的324个 动议只有petition forfeiture 也就是853n B 不反对政府没收forfeiture \n对郭屁用没有 都是怂包蛋 \n没一个提claim索赔 也可能是都被青忽悠了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc413c18436aa8f789629","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q47df2774a59c7b202bc6","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":870,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T10:17:04.770Z","text":"这里面就有长鸟了 还在护他的 不是蠢 就是坏","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4d0ad6a57ddda51f1970","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q47df2774a59c7b202bc6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4d0ad6a57ddda51f1970","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q3d7d1079a8a01acde53f","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":871,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T10:24:28.867Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 快跟瑞恩说一声，gemini又夸他了","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3d7d1079a8a01acde53f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qf6ca88a8295b1d5c024d","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":872,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T11:52:17.098Z","text":"Misrepresentation指的不是盖尔的错误代理","edited":false,"reply_to":"q19d36c7dc2bc12199b13","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf6ca88a8295b1d5c024d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qf22635327de256a533c6","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":873,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T11:52:54.530Z","text":"Misrepresentation指的是郭撒谎","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf22635327de256a533c6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qf73a95866f2c40bb6d98","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":874,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T11:53:31.415Z","text":"郭的律师说的意思是这个案子里，没有人，或者很少有人说郭撒谎","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf73a95866f2c40bb6d98","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q7139ed7eb26d0a865d01","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":875,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T11:53:34.810Z","text":"好的 我去改正","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf22635327de256a533c6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7139ed7eb26d0a865d01","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf22635327de256a533c6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q32cc61cc15dc9dd014a9","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":876,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T11:57:25.553Z","text":"反正郭的律师现在说的是，盖尔6000人和数字银行100都说自己不是受害者","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb3da522077241f065f50","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q32cc61cc15dc9dd014a9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb3da522077241f065f50","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q71cf06216b69f81f614f","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":877,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T11:57:58.835Z","text":"郭的律师的意思是，检方手上的受害者很少","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q71cf06216b69f81f614f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qd945f08704702c1d7882","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":878,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T11:58:27.149Z","text":"律师希望检方公布受害者名单","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd945f08704702c1d7882","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qda313ca709ac124fa8fa","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":879,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T12:03:12.813Z","text":"也就 拱🐷 报案的那几个吧？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd945f08704702c1d7882","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qda313ca709ac124fa8fa","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd945f08704702c1d7882","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q9012593611eb32b69658","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":880,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T12:04:22.787Z","text":"写受害者陈述的人","edited":false,"reply_to":"qda313ca709ac124fa8fa","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9012593611eb32b69658","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qda313ca709ac124fa8fa","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q7fc13751b33f74ae690f","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":881,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T12:04:36.446Z","text":"还有fbi表格的人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7fc13751b33f74ae690f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qf6261e5f7b34f76e559b","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":882,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T12:05:08.611Z","text":"那个 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故意装瞎","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0d012e6dc452e90f48c6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qab606ac1ebc2de7b5e8d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0d012e6dc452e90f48c6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qc11bbb58b69794f4cd22","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":903,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T12:33:07.382Z","text":"数字银行有324人吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9af7088447cf7ba83686","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc11bbb58b69794f4cd22","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9af7088447cf7ba83686","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q33d1f3f9647b22d1e3ef","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":904,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T12:33:12.540Z","text":"不是134人吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q33d1f3f9647b22d1e3ef","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q4172e4351a6ae2e030e3","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":905,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T12:34:06.896Z","text":"是Hamilton 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我在看回motion 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就是这个意思啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7cda208adffd973f2de4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf7e68a7c76c6f2a1247d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7cda208adffd973f2de4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q382bb17b41875a83920f","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":930,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T12:54:28.580Z","text":"你说的是对的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q382bb17b41875a83920f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qe05ec92779f334d77137","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":931,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T12:54:48.859Z","text":"所以我个人觉得，辩方很弱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe05ec92779f334d77137","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q8bb4f70b903183fb13bb","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":932,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T12:56:23.595Z","text":"盖尔最后853n，估计是被逼的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8bb4f70b903183fb13bb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q20eba44dcb32e36e7637","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":933,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T12:56:35.877Z","text":"自诉人都在打他","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q20eba44dcb32e36e7637","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qa684208691011d0069d9","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":934,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T12:56:51.767Z","text":"两头吃 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再试图改回853n\n785里检方不认盖尔这个操作","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa684208691011d0069d9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qfd931e92d215a02cb27b","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":935,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-02-04T12:57:29.880Z","text":"盖尔是合同欺诈，基于合同欺诈的一切均应被忽略，那6000人应该自己出来说话。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfd931e92d215a02cb27b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qe9bcddf8a84fb9550c5f","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":936,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T12:58:32.478Z","text":"对啊，这才是重点","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe9bcddf8a84fb9550c5f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q6aac7995d23e2841340a","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":937,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T12:58:40.066Z","text":"辩方律师咋不说","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6aac7995d23e2841340a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q0464ab4a5e6204d7b9ce","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":938,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-02-04T12:59:42.717Z","text":"他们可能不知道，可能就是不作为不想花时间去核实。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0464ab4a5e6204d7b9ce","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qe880ec506c49599fdbaa","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":939,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T13:01:48.356Z","text":"辩方也说了 第5页 \n盖尔这6512人最后761动议 是claimnant索赔 就不能算victim\nHamilton 那324 也不算victim\n那真的受害者 到底是谁？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6aac7995d23e2841340a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe880ec506c49599fdbaa","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6aac7995d23e2841340a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q6b5dbe8050b2afbb055e","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":940,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T13:02:14.833Z","text":"自诉人都点出盖尔是合同欺诈了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0464ab4a5e6204d7b9ce","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6b5dbe8050b2afbb055e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0464ab4a5e6204d7b9ce","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q8c135516aafdc1ae2ae5","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":941,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T13:02:27.695Z","text":"郭的律师不可能不知道吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8c135516aafdc1ae2ae5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qedac0bdf5222dd39da69","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":942,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T13:03:02.450Z","text":"而且盖尔是共谋犯组织的，郭的律师肯定也知道","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qedac0bdf5222dd39da69","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q9bc0731a2815a593d7d7","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":943,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T13:03:36.001Z","text":"我是说为什么辩方不说盖尔是合同欺诈","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe880ec506c49599fdbaa","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9bc0731a2815a593d7d7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe880ec506c49599fdbaa","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qb25f096446f4f3257331","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":944,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T13:04:07.089Z","text":"辩方能从哪里弄合同呢？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9bc0731a2815a593d7d7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb25f096446f4f3257331","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9bc0731a2815a593d7d7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qc3045fd404a248718f52","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":945,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T13:04:19.390Z","text":"看联盟的视频啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb25f096446f4f3257331","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc3045fd404a248718f52","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb25f096446f4f3257331","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q447167deda928b2ae2d1","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":946,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T13:04:34.777Z","text":"还有自诉人的动议啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q447167deda928b2ae2d1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qfe51b77f835724f19341","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":947,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T13:04:42.159Z","text":"那都是证词啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfe51b77f835724f19341","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qf1577ba3daf6e93dd005","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":948,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T13:05:02.110Z","text":"是自诉人自己提交法庭的合法证词","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf1577ba3daf6e93dd005","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q34bbb1ec36fc5cd25ca0","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":949,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T13:05:12.095Z","text":"不是张勇兵组织的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q34bbb1ec36fc5cd25ca0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q76c21c915db3dfd72ea6","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":950,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T13:05:46.009Z","text":"郭的律师宁愿和共谋犯组织的证人合作？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q76c21c915db3dfd72ea6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","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8\nDocket 的853n 只有126个\n不包括Hamilton的324人和喜交所的盖尔6000人 \n那这些人 刑事案里算什么？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7d1192e2dc89be537224","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qa71baf1a4c8b8275a23a","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":954,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T13:20:15.989Z","text":"如果参考page5-6提到的 都不能算victim\n那政府还没收个鸟 G系列 喜交所 都不能动\n\n刑事案的原始victim 找不到了🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa71baf1a4c8b8275a23a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q0388409a3a7e88910ed6","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":955,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T13:39:26.410Z","text":"检方还给辩方律师提供了，投资人给检方的电子邮件","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0388409a3a7e88910ed6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q660473e594f4456ebc6a","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":956,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-02-04T13:39:44.768Z","text":"原始受害者非常可能登记了债权人。然后债权人妨碍司法虚假索赔。意思就是虚假报案。所以我在文件522还是哪个说，把债权人干掉，案件就没有存在的法理根基。当时全凭逻辑推测","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa71baf1a4c8b8275a23a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q660473e594f4456ebc6a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa71baf1a4c8b8275a23a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q310f874a2ab051092ff2","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":957,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T13:39:50.381Z","text":"有没有包括布雷迪违规的邮件？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q310f874a2ab051092ff2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qf4858e744081d769ca15","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":958,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-02-04T13:41:03.511Z","text":"没有证据，不能直接下结论。后面给检方的信，我严重怀疑报案人就包含债权人。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q50e6833e411ff4a54b45","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf4858e744081d769ca15","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qa56a901f43fbdf297160","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":959,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-02-04T13:41:41.853Z","text":"这些东西，辩护律师不去追，第三方折腾，检方法官都装瞎","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa56a901f43fbdf297160","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q3481775fc3dfdc2f9703","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":960,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T13:44:46.819Z","text":"第三方翻不了案，只有辩方律师可以","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3481775fc3dfdc2f9703","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q193a195a188d9d78040a","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":961,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T13:46:26.794Z","text":"怕他们已经被绕晕了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3481775fc3dfdc2f9703","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q193a195a188d9d78040a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3481775fc3dfdc2f9703","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qef347e35642b3529e6c6","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":962,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T14:43:41.239Z","text":"根据 21 U.S.C. § 853(n) 提交申请的人，不会因为该申请本身而自动被认定为刑事案件中的“受害人”。\n下面是法律上的区分：\n1️⃣ 什么是 § 853(n) 申请人？\n§ 853(n) 是刑事没收后的第三方附带程序（ancillary proceeding）。\n该程序允许第三方主张：\n对被没收财产享有合法所有权，或\n享有优先于被告的权利，或\n属于善意有偿购买人（bona fide purchaser for value）\n这个程序解决的是财产权归属问题，而不是是否因犯罪行为受到损害。\n因此，§ 853(n) 申请人在法律上的身份是：\n对被没收财产提出权利主张的第三方\n而不是刑事案件意义上的“受害人”。\n2️⃣ 刑事量刑中的“受害人”是什么？\n在量刑阶段，“受害人”通常涉及：\nMVRA（18 U.S.C. § 3663A） —— 强制性赔偿\nCVRA（18 U.S.C. § 3771） —— 受害人程序性权利\n《联邦量刑指南》中的损失计算\n所谓受害人，是指：\n因犯罪行为而受到直接且近因损害的人。\n这与财产所有权的认定是不同的法律问题。\n3️⃣ § 853(n) 申请人是否可能同时是受害人？\n可以，但前提是事实本身独立支持其受害人身份。\n一个人可能同时：\n在 § 853(n) 程序中主张财产权；\n在量刑或赔偿阶段被认定为犯罪受害人。\n但仅仅提交 § 853(n) 申请，并不会自动成为受害人。\n法院会分别审查这两个身份。\n4️⃣ 对量刑的实际影响\n法官不会因为某人提交了 § 853(n) 申请，就自动把其计入受害人数。\n但如果：\n政府主张该人因犯罪遭受经济损失，且\n法院认定其确实受到直接且近因损害，\n那么该人可能被纳入：\n损失金额计算\n受害人影响陈述\n赔偿范围\n这一认定与 § 853(n) 申请本身无直接必然关系。\n5️⃣ 核心结论\n§ 853(n) = 财产权争议程序\n受害人身份 = 犯罪损害认定\n二者并不自动转化","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qef347e35642b3529e6c6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qa2797d88d939957ab5c6","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":963,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T14:48:39.604Z","text":"［用户 joh***］ 这是一个很好的问题。很多混淆来自于对 § 853(n) 结构的误解。\n首先，法律上并不存在严格意义上的“853(n)(a)”与“853(n)(b)”两类申请人。\n§ 853(n) 的结构如下：\n(n)(1) —— 没收公告通知\n(n)(2) —— 谁有资格提交申请\n(n)(3) —— 申请书的形式与内容要求\n(n)(6)(A) 与 (n)(6)(B) —— 两种可以胜诉的实体法律基础\n通常人们所说的“853n(a)”和“853n(b)”，实际上是指 § 853(n)(6) 下的两种胜诉理论：\n1️⃣ § 853(n)(6)(A) —— 优先或既得权利（Superior / Vested Interest）\n适用于申请人证明：\n其对涉案财产的合法权益，在犯罪发生时已经存在，或优先于被告的权益。\n通俗理解：\n他们在被告犯罪行为发生之前，已经拥有该财产的合法权益。\n典型例子：\n真正所有人\n抵押权人\n在犯罪前已确立权益的信托受益人\n这是一个基于“权利优先顺位”的财产权主张。\n2️⃣ § 853(n)(6)(B) —— 善意有偿购买人（Bona Fide Purchaser for Value, BFP）\n适用于申请人证明：\n自己支付了对价取得财产\n且在取得时合理地不知道该财产会被没收\n通俗理解：\n他们是后来取得财产，但属于善意、无过错的购买人。\n典型例子：\n善意买家\n不知情投资人\n这是一个基于“善意与公平”的取得理论，而非优先顺位理论。\n核心区别\n853(n)(6)(A)\n853(n)(6)(B)\n权利在犯罪时已存在\n在之后取得财产\n强调所有权优先性\n强调善意与对价\n侧重权利来源\n侧重公平与无过错\n但两者本质上都是财产权主张。\n回到你的核心问题：\n853(n)(6)(B) 申请人会被视为“受害人”吗？\n简短回答：\n不会自动被视为受害人。\n853(n)(6)(B) 申请人只是：\n善意有偿购买人。\n这一身份本身并不等同于刑事量刑意义上的“受害人”。\n受害人身份通常需要：\n因犯罪行为遭受直接且近因损害\n在 MVRA、CVRA 或量刑指南框架下被认定\n但在实践中\n在欺诈类案件中，法院有时会认为善意投资人确实遭受经济损失。\n因此：\n提交 853(n)(6)(B) 申请并不会自动成为受害人；\n但检方可能另行主张这些人遭受损失，应纳入量刑损失计算或赔偿范围；\n法院需独立进行量刑阶段的受害人认定。\n总结\n853(n)(6)(A) = 既得或优先所有权人\n853(n)(6)(B) = 善意有偿购买人\n二者都不是自动的“受害人”\n受害人身份需要独立的损害认定","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa2797d88d939957ab5c6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qdfe7d7a84982e552618a","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":964,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T14:50:00.362Z","text":"😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 所以说来说去，辩方律师说什么没用，是不是受害人，要法庭确认。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdfe7d7a84982e552618a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qa19c62f81d6c151497f5","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":965,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T14:52:27.339Z","text":"那辩方就是一厢情愿了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa19c62f81d6c151497f5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q13a62b9936935d4e340d","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":966,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T14:52:51.834Z","text":"辩方律师肯定要为客户说话了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q13a62b9936935d4e340d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qeccf4820da0689cdc79a","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":967,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T14:53:17.097Z","text":"就算说的不痛不痒，也要表现出为客户说话的样子","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeccf4820da0689cdc79a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q58e9e5b03cfe189da3a1","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":968,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-02-04T14:55:11.258Z","text":"数字银行被律师代理的1百多，还有没被代理的。3百多是总数字银行投资人","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1d172d76ef4c5fd54b62","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q58e9e5b03cfe189da3a1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1d172d76ef4c5fd54b62","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q397e925d2a13268e68ce","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":969,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T14:56:14.968Z","text":"没有被律师代理那些，他们是通过什么形式要钱的？辩方律师说他们也否认自己是受害人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q397e925d2a13268e68ce","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q92e9cd0cdd8ee9b8ccc4","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":970,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-02-04T15:05:49.340Z","text":"各种填表我都不记得了； 但是这些人包括我可能在填表时都写了不是郭的受害人 而是政府的受害人。\n记得其中一个政府表格是word 文档，可以自己该标题、问的内容， 上面有owner victim 两项，\n我把victim 那项的标题改成了： BIDEN DOJ VICTIM\n\n并且两项都选了， 还发到了椅子群，让大家参考","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q92e9cd0cdd8ee9b8ccc4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qcf330df0d6f001037548","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":971,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T15:05:49.389Z","text":"辩方律师被联盟收买了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdfe7d7a84982e552618a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf330df0d6f001037548","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdfe7d7a84982e552618a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q18029659ec30f24bc1a8","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":972,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T15:06:54.235Z","text":"有这个倾向","edited":false,"reply_to":"q59aa758c731e939654a4","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q18029659ec30f24bc1a8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q23954f318fc9e2568f6c","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":973,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T15:06:58.896Z","text":"我已经嗅到味道了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q23954f318fc9e2568f6c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q496c6ded067f112f51b8","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":974,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-02-04T15:08:54.329Z","text":"我觉得这次律师做了他们该做的。可能有些点必须要他们澄清一下？\n比如上面提到的共谋犯联盟对郭安所起的作用？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q496c6ded067f112f51b8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qaeb2c089f0bdbfdfde51","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":975,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T15:09:14.473Z","text":"他们有隐秘的提","edited":false,"reply_to":"q496c6ded067f112f51b8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaeb2c089f0bdbfdfde51","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q496c6ded067f112f51b8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q25fde1b6ebfab231d0ec","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":976,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T15:09:31.358Z","text":"共谋犯的罪行不应该加到郭头上","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q25fde1b6ebfab231d0ec","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q8e194759a1404c40dd52","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":977,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T15:09:47.372Z","text":"但是他们这次对联盟的东西照单全收","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8e194759a1404c40dd52","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qb3cb6efbd367dc1b04d1","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":978,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T15:09:55.146Z","text":"是一个相当危险的信号","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb3cb6efbd367dc1b04d1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q9580d7cf260d962a4c5b","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":979,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-02-04T15:10:29.941Z","text":"什么事照单全收？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8e194759a1404c40dd52","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9580d7cf260d962a4c5b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8e194759a1404c40dd52","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qeb4eb63d214879489b27","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":980,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T15:10:40.499Z","text":"数字银行 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要靠这些","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2eb3f6a3bb605fd18a1f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qc2a49b8a4d8d2e708302","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":993,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T15:21:56.986Z","text":"有一定概率吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"qeab9436cc007ab89806a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc2a49b8a4d8d2e708302","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeab9436cc007ab89806a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qea3ca387d898198c8ac6","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":994,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T15:25:32.494Z","text":"这不就是联盟的布局吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"qeab9436cc007ab89806a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea3ca387d898198c8ac6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeab9436cc007ab89806a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q073ba91706784138f0e0","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":995,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T15:25:48.248Z","text":"利用第三方对法院的压力 让律师跟着联盟的步伐走","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q073ba91706784138f0e0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qbf818d6f308a1dc1aa1d","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":996,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T15:28:03.334Z","text":"联盟要摘桃了？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qea3ca387d898198c8ac6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbf818d6f308a1dc1aa1d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea3ca387d898198c8ac6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qe6aa18230b21cac2cc76","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":997,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T15:28:14.451Z","text":"那说明郭快出来了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe6aa18230b21cac2cc76","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q948a222e07dc771a2f39","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":998,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T15:28:25.124Z","text":"这就是摘桃行为","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbf818d6f308a1dc1aa1d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q948a222e07dc771a2f39","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbf818d6f308a1dc1aa1d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q39a26fb43dc33c79032b","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":999,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T15:28:42.033Z","text":"但你想靠律师那点三脚猫功夫 翻案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q39a26fb43dc33c79032b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qffd15436705e0e82a281","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":1000,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T15:28:44.124Z","text":"是不可能的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qffd15436705e0e82a281","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000074","next_batch_id":"batch-000076"}