{"id":"batch-000075","number":75,"revision":1,"date_start":"2026-01-29T14:52:01.216Z","date_end":"2026-02-04T15:28:44.124Z","total_messages":1000,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 075 (Jan 29, 2026 – Feb 4, 2026), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. From Jan 29 to Feb 4, 2026 (batch 75, 1000 messages), participants argued that judicial discretion and appeals, not prosecution rhetoric, control the likely direction, while disputing whether CVRA and 21 U.S.C. § 853(n) still provide actionable relief. They debated 853(n)(6)(A)/(B)—pre-existing superior property rights versus bona fide purchase—and cited the 2024-08-22 freeze plus 2024-10-22 timeline under § 853(n)(2). They also disputed evidence reliability, then moved into political-control narratives. Community statements, not court findings.","guide_en":[{"title":"Judicial discretion and appeals were treated as the main battlefield, with many separating prosecutorial statements from the operative process","description":"Participants argued that judge decisions and appeals are the key route, while some contended that prosecution remarks are largely irrelevant and one message claimed the 853 track had already ended. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q4582ba255e19c80c6f61","q7a607ce38698b048c7ef","q4341ade18961e7b7d860"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q4582ba255e19c80c6f61","summary_en":"One participant said prosecution commentary had no effect on the matter. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q7a607ce38698b048c7ef","summary_en":"Another participant said only judicial decisions and appeals currently had practical effect. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q4341ade18961e7b7d860","summary_en":"A further participant stated that the 853 proceedings were already over. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Use of 853(n) and CVRA split participants between procedural and money-focused strategies","description":"Participants disputed whether 853(n) and CVRA can still be used for useful relief, with some arguing financial claims are a dead end and others contending CVRA can support procedural arguments against a denied access path. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qfa9ef43f63e3f9252d83","q0ecd605b40f6c505b112","q5986b0c45c84a389654c"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qfa9ef43f63e3f9252d83","summary_en":"A participant argued that a pure 853(n) money motion has no positive or negative effect for Guo. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q0ecd605b40f6c505b112","summary_en":"Another participant said CVRA can be used for procedural justice, but money claims still need 853(n) to separate victim framing. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q5986b0c45c84a389654c","summary_en":"Another participant maintained that the statutory filing window had passed, but distinguished that from alleging no access to 853(n) due to procedural blocking from notice and entry issues. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"The 853(n)(6) A/B split became central, with repeated disputes over priority interests and bona fide purchase claims","description":"Participants contend that the key legal disagreement is whether subsection (A) or (B) can support relief, with recurring claims that subsection (A) is difficult while subsection (B) may be easier when supported by transaction evidence. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qbd422151e638040f02b8","qec418a7f427428f7fca0","q106e800b65a6da6edd6a"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qbd422151e638040f02b8","summary_en":"One participant explained A requires proving ownership priority over the defendant, while B requires bona fide purchaser status. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qec418a7f427428f7fca0","summary_en":"Another participant quoted and contrasted 853(n)(6)(A) superior prior interest with 853(n)(6)(B) bona fide purchaser protections. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q106e800b65a6da6edd6a","summary_en":"A participant said proving subsection A is hard but suggested subsection B may be easier, citing 6,000-investor data. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Filing path became proceduralized, with competing views on writ versus cert, mandamus access, and docket realities","description":"Participants debated route mechanics, contending that classification between writ and cert matters, while also discussing whether cert or mandamus access is easier when docketing barriers and court entry requirements are applied. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q9cbf9aaa623321f31463","qcacf3ba3b2c4f59a4620","qf851996a1be5324340d8"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q9cbf9aaa623321f31463","summary_en":"A participant corrected that the filing was a writ, not a cert petition. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qcacf3ba3b2c4f59a4620","summary_en":"Another participant said a cert filing has a case number and a ruling attached. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf851996a1be5324340d8","summary_en":"A participant opined cert docketing is easier than mandamus docketing. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Reversal versus sentence reduction remained contested, with pre-sentencing remedy limits repeatedly asserted","description":"Participants largely claimed defense counsel cannot secure a pre-sentence reversal, while the possibility of sentence reduction remained a narrower disputed point rather than a settled claim. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q043be3515f51f61d63f5","q82f58bc1d74763ca59ce","qc3f1196e2222c52a1269"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q043be3515f51f61d63f5","summary_en":"A participant said counsel cannot overturn the case before sentencing. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q82f58bc1d74763ca59ce","summary_en":"Another participant echoed that pre-sentencing change through counsel is impossible. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qc3f1196e2222c52a1269","summary_en":"A further participant argued that without major breakthrough, pre-sentencing reversal remains unlikely regardless of counsel. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Victim and creditor boundaries were repeatedly redrawn around Gale, digital-bank investors, and loss-count scope","description":"Participants disputed who is counted as a victim, with claims that a 6,000-plus group was excluded by counsel and competing assertions that court control over victim-count definition should govern. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q44525c1b297829b0cae7","q73e92be11b6f8b07d9ec","q5f237ba927208622037b"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q44525c1b297829b0cae7","summary_en":"One participant said counsel forcefully treated Gale’s 6,000-plus group as not being victims. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q73e92be11b6f8b07d9ec","summary_en":"Another user observed counsel activity and suggested sentencing would not be easy. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q5f237ba927208622037b","summary_en":"A participant stated the number of victims is decided by the court. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Evidence chain and disclosure were heavily disputed, with no shared view on whether DOJ/Brady materials are complete or trustworthy","description":"Participants contested evidentiary integrity, arguing over whether DOJ materials and investor emails are authentic, complete, and legally persuasive, and whether disclosure supports any meaningful procedural challenge. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qee644d5d50f4417e3c80","q15fc554e0ee49b96f334","q0388409a3a7e88910ed6"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qee644d5d50f4417e3c80","summary_en":"A participant dismissed claims as false unless they linked to CCP, showing distrust of presented material. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q15fc554e0ee49b96f334","summary_en":"Another participant questioned what alleged revelations were actually significant. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q0388409a3a7e88910ed6","summary_en":"A participant stated that prosecutors had provided investors’ emails to defense counsel. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Governance risk claims around impersonation and leaks shifted debate toward trust and rumor management","description":"Participants argued that identity misuse and pre-announced leaks created a parallel dispute over group governance, with some treating message leaks as unreliable and escalating trust concerns beyond legal merits. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q5c90fbf58253a81cf52c","qad6015bf09f1473c2d6a","q1c650c52291210e715ee"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q5c90fbf58253a81cf52c","summary_en":"One participant said someone had impersonated them. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qad6015bf09f1473c2d6a","summary_en":"Another relayed a claim that a major disclosure was coming and directed inquiries to a specific user. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q1c650c52291210e715ee","summary_en":"A follow-up participant asked what that user actually knew. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Politicalized narratives and legal framing coexisted in open dispute without convergence on motive or intent","description":"Participants contested whether the case was tied to electoral and media-control narratives, with some arguing for coordinated suppression and others challenging any direct political-cause linkage. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q95458cdcf51b178f70f2","q6ae15782779ac8214fba","q603442fdb48688438773"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q95458cdcf51b178f70f2","summary_en":"One participant argued the scene resembled controlled narrative management and media suppression tactics. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q6ae15782779ac8214fba","summary_en":"Another participant framed the case as part of midterm election strategy and pressure, alleging coordinated benefit if control is maintained. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q603442fdb48688438773","summary_en":"A participant questioned any direct relation between the case and the Communist Party. Community statements, not court findings."}]}],"summary":"讨论围绕郭案后续走向的法律路径展开，核心在于是否能凭法条与程序动作改变既有进程。多数人认可检方主张并非决定性，法官裁量和上诉程序才是主轨；但对853(n)及CVRA是否能“救火”分歧明显：有人强调仅限财产附带程序、难以直接推动翻案；也有人认为可作为减刑或财产返还的切入。围绕受害者认定、853(n)(6)A/B、善意受让与优先财产权的细节长期争辩，直接牵动“谁算受害者、谁可申报财产”。同时，提交路径、ECF和送达细节、证据披露真实性与律师抗辩质量亦被放大，叠加身份冒名与消息预告可靠性问题，致使讨论逐渐并行进入政治化和社群信任议题。","guide":[{"title":"法官裁量与上诉被视为主战场：多数先分离检方言论的“起始点”，认为提议更多偏程序口号","message_ids":["q4582ba255e19c80c6f61","q7a607ce38698b048c7ef","q4341ade18961e7b7d860"]},{"title":"853(n)与CVRA是否有效分流：有人认为“纯要钱”路线失效，也有人坚持可触发程序或实体影响","message_ids":["qfa9ef43f63e3f9252d83","q0ecd605b40f6c505b112","q5986b0c45c84a389654c"]},{"title":"853(n)(6)的A/B划分成为翻案与否核心：先于犯罪的优先财产权与事后善意受让人界线反复争议","message_ids":["qbd422151e638040f02b8","qec418a7f427428f7fca0","q106e800b65a6da6edd6a"]},{"title":"提议路径逐步程序化：自诉、强制令、writ/mandamus/cert与IFP门槛如何影响能否进入系统","message_ids":["q9cbf9aaa623321f31463","qcacf3ba3b2c4f59a4620","qf851996a1be5324340d8"]},{"title":"翻案与减刑分歧并存：量刑前动作能否改变结果普遍被认为难，但“能否减刑”仍有争论","message_ids":["q043be3515f51f61d63f5","q82f58bc1d74763ca59ce","qc3f1196e2222c52a1269"]},{"title":"受害者与债权边界反复重画：盖尔、数字银行与投资者是否计入受害群体持续争议","message_ids":["q44525c1b297829b0cae7","q73e92be11b6f8b07d9ec","q5f237ba927208622037b"]},{"title":"证据与文件真伪成为高频争论点：司法部材料、Brady邮件与披露链条是否完整缺乏共识","message_ids":["qee644d5d50f4417e3c80","q15fc554e0ee49b96f334","q0388409a3a7e88910ed6"]},{"title":"群内治理风险上升：冒名、消息冒进与“预告大事”真伪争执，使讨论从案件程序扩展到信任危机","message_ids":["q5c90fbf58253a81cf52c","qad6015bf09f1473c2d6a","q1c650c52291210e715ee"]},{"title":"政治化叙事与法治框架并存：将案件与选举、媒体控制等相连的观点与反对者对峙并未收敛","message_ids":["q95458cdcf51b178f70f2","q6ae15782779ac8214fba","q603442fdb48688438773"]}],"closed":true,"is_finalized":true,"updated_at":"2026-09-06T16:42:17.800Z","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_batch","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075/pages/5","base_batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-batches/batch-000075?page=5","page":5,"page_size":200,"total_pages":5,"has_more":false,"next_url":null,"prev_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-batches/batch-000075?page=4","messages":[{"id":"q38a93e85f67ac322edcb","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":801,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-02-04T07:56:34.746Z","text":"郭本人也是很固执的，他一般听不进别人的话。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q38a93e85f67ac322edcb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q20ee39fafc4366d8722e","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":802,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T07:57:12.480Z","text":"反正我不弄死联盟 我势不为人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q20ee39fafc4366d8722e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q8cf35cc8ac2b4743d0bc","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":803,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T07:58:06.550Z","text":"他不是说过，他最喜欢看别人耍猴，然后他悄悄放猴子吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2170bdb54493b7fff468","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8cf35cc8ac2b4743d0bc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2170bdb54493b7fff468","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qd0a746d5524b413e12c6","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":804,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T07:59:03.515Z","text":"老郭骂王雁平的时候才是他真实的样子","edited":false,"reply_to":"q38a93e85f67ac322edcb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd0a746d5524b413e12c6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q38a93e85f67ac322edcb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q3ef31cdbdf79d50a48d6","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":805,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T07:59:47.342Z","text":"大陆的老板都这样，起码真实","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3ef31cdbdf79d50a48d6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qc55564ecbbe2c8fb0c1a","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":806,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T08:00:03.868Z","text":"喂，不要被检方带偏！","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7e6a7fe349791d992208","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc55564ecbbe2c8fb0c1a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q63e4d936838d09dea039","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":807,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T08:00:23.830Z","text":"我没被带偏 我觉得检方这个很客观😌","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc55564ecbbe2c8fb0c1a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q63e4d936838d09dea039","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc55564ecbbe2c8fb0c1a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qc0cb95728012aadce77d","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":808,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T08:00:48.822Z","text":"拒绝被联盟带偏😄","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc55564ecbbe2c8fb0c1a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc0cb95728012aadce77d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc55564ecbbe2c8fb0c1a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q50f1c45e64e76ff8e71a","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":809,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T08:01:00.340Z","text":"所以小地鼠吃耗子药了？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qab8da9606e8c191ef0fc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q50f1c45e64e76ff8e71a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qab8da9606e8c191ef0fc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q4144e7bb08c57f565ca6","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":810,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T08:01:15.099Z","text":"哈哈 不知道","edited":false,"reply_to":"q50f1c45e64e76ff8e71a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4144e7bb08c57f565ca6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q50f1c45e64e76ff8e71a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q3a25981e3a00a519ac92","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":811,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-02-04T08:01:19.214Z","text":"郭为什么要留王住18楼？他留了一个马磊还不够吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3a25981e3a00a519ac92","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q85f05a5f10c80e9b13ca","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":812,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T08:01:31.254Z","text":"王啪啪😄","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3a25981e3a00a519ac92","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q85f05a5f10c80e9b13ca","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3a25981e3a00a519ac92","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q5118bc72eaae4ad0e0ba","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":813,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-02-04T08:02:36.283Z","text":"我不信郭会跟她啪啪，这都是砸郭的说的。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q85f05a5f10c80e9b13ca","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5118bc72eaae4ad0e0ba","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q85f05a5f10c80e9b13ca","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qb3b64f4763770c139a70","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":814,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T08:02:59.686Z","text":"王啪啪这个外号我很喜欢🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb3b64f4763770c139a70","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q352ebe2ce590220b7d12","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":815,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T08:03:09.296Z","text":"当然 啪啪估计是假的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q352ebe2ce590220b7d12","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q07f2152331c8c651638e","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":816,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T08:03:36.104Z","text":"王大部分时间都不在18楼","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3a25981e3a00a519ac92","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q07f2152331c8c651638e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3a25981e3a00a519ac92","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q4a21d8e72af61bcc7422","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":817,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T08:03:45.186Z","text":"他有自己的住处","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4a21d8e72af61bcc7422","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q3413b264aa023977170d","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":818,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T08:04:15.801Z","text":"王 我个人推断 就是个特务","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3413b264aa023977170d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qd7f4f98d21ac5a724163","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":819,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T08:04:41.289Z","text":"而且是从盘古时期就安插的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd7f4f98d21ac5a724163","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qd370fffb00916615f013","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":820,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-02-04T08:04:44.269Z","text":"应该是的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3413b264aa023977170d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd370fffb00916615f013","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3413b264aa023977170d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q77fb6d2735943aa3a43e","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":821,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T08:05:08.181Z","text":"王啪啪 啪啪嫂","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q77fb6d2735943aa3a43e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qe9beb966751f94010009","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":822,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-02-04T08:06:00.797Z","text":"抛夫弃子，很反人性，老郭都做不到","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe9beb966751f94010009","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q363fbdd998d32c5fbbb0","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":823,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T08:06:22.410Z","text":"不是特务是什么","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q363fbdd998d32c5fbbb0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q1758a32d37baca8b9f78","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":824,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T08:07:03.162Z","text":"老郭对“特务”“潜伏”的忍受能力应该比一般人要高","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3413b264aa023977170d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1758a32d37baca8b9f78","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3413b264aa023977170d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qb5ccfaa81faf74eacdeb","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":825,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T08:07:19.335Z","text":"老郭说 不抓特务 其实意思就是 全是特务","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1758a32d37baca8b9f78","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb5ccfaa81faf74eacdeb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1758a32d37baca8b9f78","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q69b6ef1924bf44560da3","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":826,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T08:07:45.881Z","text":"所以虽然普通人会对联盟农场的所作所为很生气，我觉得他都无所谓","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q69b6ef1924bf44560da3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qea94ae3d2b7ddfb411d5","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":827,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T08:08:13.073Z","text":"联盟农场还没有完成他期望的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q69b6ef1924bf44560da3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea94ae3d2b7ddfb411d5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q69b6ef1924bf44560da3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qfbe4b47f143090a33a82","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":828,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T08:08:29.929Z","text":"一旦完成了 他马上把这些人打为特务","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfbe4b47f143090a33a82","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qb25b2346d03b39e53ec0","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":829,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T08:10:30.286Z","text":"没说的都是重点","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb25b2346d03b39e53ec0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qf571a277fa7b569b3f40","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":830,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T08:11:13.028Z","text":"这哪来的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb25b2346d03b39e53ec0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf571a277fa7b569b3f40","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb25b2346d03b39e53ec0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qbbc399b9221f2ff5d3dd","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":831,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T08:12:18.566Z","text":"将来光律师费得退多少，500万刀起步","edited":false,"reply_to":"q650b1c50a0d92e48feb7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbbc399b9221f2ff5d3dd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q650b1c50a0d92e48feb7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qc58950c67d26fcde4e20","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":832,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T08:14:24.760Z","text":"在 799 号文件中，辩方确实多次提到 破产受托人（Bankruptcy Trustee），但措辞整体是法律性、程序性的，而不是情绪化攻击。可以分为三个层面理解：\n一、强调受托人已掌握大量资产，应当用于抵扣没收金额\n辩方指出：\n大量现金及资产目前在政府或受托人控制之下；\n若法院认定存在金钱判决；\n这些资产的价值必须进行 offset（抵扣）。\n换言之：\n不应在资产已经被控制或追回的情况下，再对Guo作出全额个人金钱判决。\n二、主张政府对可没收资产享有优先权（relation-back doctrine）\n文件引用刑事没收法规的“追溯归属”原则：\n18 U.S.C. §1963\n18 U.S.C. §981\n21 U.S.C. §853\n辩方的核心论点是：\n如果资产属于可没收财产，那么在犯罪发生时即“归属于美国政府”，\n因此政府对这些资产的权利优先于破产债权人。\n这意味着：\n破产程序不应优先分配这些资产；\n资产应先用于刑事没收或赔偿框架。\n三、批评受托人费用消耗资产（但措辞较为克制）\n辩方重申此前的动议（ECF 724），指出：\n受托人持续掌控资产；\n破产程序中专业费用消耗迅速；\n这可能削弱未来返还投资人的能力。\n这里的逻辑是：\n若资产在破产程序中不断被专业费用吞噬，\n则不利于投资人返还目标。\n这属于政策性论证，而非直接指控受托人违法。\n四、辩方并没有说什么\n值得注意的是：\n没有指控受托人与检方串通；\n没有指控受托人伪造债权；\n没有指控受托人非法占有；\n没有称其行为构成犯罪。\n整体风格是：\n限制责任 + 资产优先权主张 + 抵扣原则\n而不是指控或对抗。\n五、战略意义\n这一部分的真正法律目标是：\n降低个人金钱判决规模；\n防止双重追偿；\n为“Excessive Fines”问题保留记录；\n强调资产已被政府体系控制。\n简洁总结\n辩方关于受托人的立场是：\n资产在其手中；\n若属于可没收财产，应优先归政府；\n其价值应抵扣没收金额；\n不应被破产费用侵蚀。\n属于财产分配结构上的法律主张，而非针对个人的指控.","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf571a277fa7b569b3f40","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc58950c67d26fcde4e20","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf571a277fa7b569b3f40","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q0e027a5e237254c220f9","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":833,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T08:15:46.966Z","text":"上次说的二选一的事，瑞恩在行动吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q703163bf505e23936070","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0e027a5e237254c220f9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q703163bf505e23936070","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q078171de56fd2eb75fd0","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":834,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T08:20:58.950Z","text":"那种两面派的墙头草，谁都不会待见的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4144e7bb08c57f565ca6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q078171de56fd2eb75fd0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4144e7bb08c57f565ca6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qd478c4347f521f612d25","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":835,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T08:26:35.198Z","text":"我这是保护翻案群的核心利益","edited":false,"reply_to":"qffddb2901d494cb7098e","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd478c4347f521f612d25","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qc8ba74119061dc13b26f","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":836,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-02-04T08:26:56.460Z","text":"那倒是。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd478c4347f521f612d25","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc8ba74119061dc13b26f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd478c4347f521f612d25","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qdc570f3520bf8213ee73","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":837,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T08:30:42.494Z","text":"Page 7\n这和青们25年3月份填表宣称的 王案子结束 要承认是王案的victim 接受政府没收forfeiture 申请赦免返还remission 不就矛盾了？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdc570f3520bf8213ee73","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q886530559a7bced70d5f","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":838,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T08:37:45.684Z","text":"我艹，gpt也会撒谎了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q886530559a7bced70d5f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qa345450444e1bf777e55","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":839,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-04T08:38:32.934Z","text":"郭看人也不准","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa345450444e1bf777e55","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qac1b5daf539b7d1657c3","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":840,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T08:58:05.894Z","text":"Page 3\nMisrepresentation \n投资者investors 被“误导”了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qac1b5daf539b7d1657c3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qb3da522077241f065f50","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":841,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T09:04:04.438Z","text":"Page 4\n政府判定投资者被欺骗defrauded\n证据来自5 6个上庭证人（witness testified ）\n但是不能排除这几个 都是演员吧？\n\n投资者又自己宣称（声明）拒绝是受害者\n（Investors disclaim victim status）\n这个的来源 只有可能是那6000多的填表 里面有victim petition这个选项 先被骗成了受害者 后又否认\n青鼓动的 这个没法洗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb3da522077241f065f50","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qf2105c2b0b28ec6d7b15","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":842,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T09:06:11.665Z","text":"这个涉及到盖尔和联盟共谋误导诈骗投资者，也不能说是自己宣称","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb3da522077241f065f50","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf2105c2b0b28ec6d7b15","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb3da522077241f065f50","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qd224a78f4b13fb813e6f","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":843,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T09:17:49.042Z","text":"这帮人真的心黑 \n填表不止是为了定罪 \n还是后面要没收的基础 \n郭的命 投资者的钱 都要 杀人诛心","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd224a78f4b13fb813e6f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qef5a3053f92610742b11","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":844,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T09:19:31.773Z","text":"这些声称被中共迫害的人还找了代理律师？张勇兵吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qef5a3053f92610742b11","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qc37f07ed36c487e35708","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":845,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T09:26:13.266Z","text":"检方如果没有跟联盟共谋的话，下一步就该出来指出共谋污染证据了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc37f07ed36c487e35708","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qa5f621215205e1001f56","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":846,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T09:26:44.189Z","text":"但三年没说过，突然现在说，检方也要解释一下","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa5f621215205e1001f56","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q14412d105796e1773d07","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":847,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T09:27:49.272Z","text":"就算解释清楚了，下一步是不是就该抓共谋犯了?","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q14412d105796e1773d07","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qff009706b492ab31d3c8","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":848,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T09:42:32.241Z","text":"律师说这个是为了谈钱的事，其他的都不提","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8cc63327faa682173f2f","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qff009706b492ab31d3c8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qf52bb711f99d2bc9ebc7","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":849,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T09:43:11.258Z","text":"第三方可以打这个文件里的这一点","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf52bb711f99d2bc9ebc7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qaabf4a4f052fd3afc838","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":850,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T09:48:46.821Z","text":"被告能传唤luc吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaabf4a4f052fd3afc838","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qb09ab7975d4731bf50fd","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":851,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T09:49:07.349Z","text":"证人身份怎么界定？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb09ab7975d4731bf50fd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qc09bc5e93078c64d847e","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":852,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T09:52:47.409Z","text":"辩方律师提到受害者赔偿的问题了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc09bc5e93078c64d847e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q28d4243a79dea351bd81","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":853,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T09:53:53.317Z","text":"这就是之前说的 claim 索赔\n和petition 请愿 的区别","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q28d4243a79dea351bd81","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qf626afac520109bced2a","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":854,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T09:54:35.239Z","text":"索赔是司法程序，请愿是行政程序，去司法部乞讨","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf626afac520109bced2a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qd6583f46d200d679329e","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":855,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T09:54:52.124Z","text":"对的 我一直说的就是这个意思","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf626afac520109bced2a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd6583f46d200d679329e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf626afac520109bced2a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qef799120ca5b6386d6e6","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":856,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T09:55:36.463Z","text":"我之前一直搞不清，联盟发的公告里一会claim一会petition，现在终于清楚了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qef799120ca5b6386d6e6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qbd636976012e95eaea88","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":857,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T09:55:53.951Z","text":"青直播提claim索赔\n但从填表开始 全是忽悠 就是指向petition请愿","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbd636976012e95eaea88","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q4f388a3ee9f6130eef0d","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":858,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T09:56:02.675Z","text":"这帮孙子揣着明白装糊涂，把人们当傻子耍","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f388a3ee9f6130eef0d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q1b5892162d39bbd1b38f","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":859,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T09:56:10.216Z","text":"不过人们也确实是傻","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1b5892162d39bbd1b38f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q973b6a225391aeab6cde","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":860,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T09:58:16.217Z","text":"Claim 绕过政府 直接要赔偿钱原路返还restitution \nPetition 不反对政府没收forfeiture 等政府给减免 remission","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q973b6a225391aeab6cde","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q0231798ac7aac35a5100","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":861,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T09:59:22.303Z","text":"辩方律师这次把钱的事儿说的比较清楚了，看检方会不会发飙","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0231798ac7aac35a5100","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q13bc88bc09fa24354032","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":862,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T10:00:34.730Z","text":"只有853n A 是索赔\n853n B（数字银行的）也是petition 不反对没收\n盖尔的就不提了 全是853i remission","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q13bc88bc09fa24354032","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qa59aaf924eb153a223c0","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":863,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T10:01:16.681Z","text":"律师说了不少喜交所，但是根本没提盖尔，奇怪","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa59aaf924eb153a223c0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q0dbcc3f184586b31ffe2","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":864,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T10:01:54.928Z","text":"luc也单独拿出来说了，盖尔一个字都没提","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0dbcc3f184586b31ffe2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q1a5ec7a80f86c60b0945","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":865,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T10:03:09.897Z","text":"没法说 盖尔就是一中介 揣着明白装糊涂 别人给他什么申请表 他做什么事 青弄的都是853i 只能等没收后减免remission 他借坡下驴","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0dbcc3f184586b31ffe2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1a5ec7a80f86c60b0945","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0dbcc3f184586b31ffe2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q7d48ff8475e7775be84b","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":866,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T10:03:44.985Z","text":"盖尔跟联盟是深度绑定的，只要动了联盟，他就跑不掉","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1a5ec7a80f86c60b0945","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7d48ff8475e7775be84b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1a5ec7a80f86c60b0945","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qbac2fe7865a7cde846ea","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":867,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T10:04:47.708Z","text":"这个 似乎指向代理 盖尔","edited":false,"reply_to":"qac1b5daf539b7d1657c3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbac2fe7865a7cde846ea","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qac1b5daf539b7d1657c3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q4d0ad6a57ddda51f1970","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":868,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T10:13:30.970Z","text":"这些人捞走的钱既然是非法活动所得，不该收回来吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4d0ad6a57ddda51f1970","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qc413c18436aa8f789629","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":869,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T10:15:41.797Z","text":"Page 5-6\n盖尔是老狐狸 最后一个761动议 又把6000人想用回claimant 前面一直是853i \nHamilton的324个 动议只有petition forfeiture 也就是853n B 不反对政府没收forfeiture \n对郭屁用没有 都是怂包蛋 \n没一个提claim索赔 也可能是都被青忽悠了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc413c18436aa8f789629","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q47df2774a59c7b202bc6","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":870,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T10:17:04.770Z","text":"这里面就有长鸟了 还在护他的 不是蠢 就是坏","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4d0ad6a57ddda51f1970","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q47df2774a59c7b202bc6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4d0ad6a57ddda51f1970","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q3d7d1079a8a01acde53f","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":871,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-04T10:24:28.867Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 快跟瑞恩说一声，gemini又夸他了","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3d7d1079a8a01acde53f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qf6ca88a8295b1d5c024d","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":872,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T11:52:17.098Z","text":"Misrepresentation指的不是盖尔的错误代理","edited":false,"reply_to":"q19d36c7dc2bc12199b13","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf6ca88a8295b1d5c024d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qf22635327de256a533c6","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":873,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T11:52:54.530Z","text":"Misrepresentation指的是郭撒谎","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf22635327de256a533c6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qf73a95866f2c40bb6d98","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":874,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T11:53:31.415Z","text":"郭的律师说的意思是这个案子里，没有人，或者很少有人说郭撒谎","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf73a95866f2c40bb6d98","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q7139ed7eb26d0a865d01","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":875,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T11:53:34.810Z","text":"好的 我去改正","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf22635327de256a533c6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7139ed7eb26d0a865d01","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf22635327de256a533c6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q32cc61cc15dc9dd014a9","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":876,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T11:57:25.553Z","text":"反正郭的律师现在说的是，盖尔6000人和数字银行100都说自己不是受害者","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb3da522077241f065f50","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q32cc61cc15dc9dd014a9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb3da522077241f065f50","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q71cf06216b69f81f614f","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":877,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T11:57:58.835Z","text":"郭的律师的意思是，检方手上的受害者很少","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q71cf06216b69f81f614f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qd945f08704702c1d7882","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":878,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T11:58:27.149Z","text":"律师希望检方公布受害者名单","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd945f08704702c1d7882","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qda313ca709ac124fa8fa","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":879,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T12:03:12.813Z","text":"也就 拱🐷 报案的那几个吧？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd945f08704702c1d7882","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qda313ca709ac124fa8fa","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd945f08704702c1d7882","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q9012593611eb32b69658","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":880,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T12:04:22.787Z","text":"写受害者陈述的人","edited":false,"reply_to":"qda313ca709ac124fa8fa","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9012593611eb32b69658","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qda313ca709ac124fa8fa","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q7fc13751b33f74ae690f","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":881,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T12:04:36.446Z","text":"还有fbi表格的人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7fc13751b33f74ae690f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qf6261e5f7b34f76e559b","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":882,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T12:05:08.611Z","text":"那个 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故意装瞎","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0d012e6dc452e90f48c6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qab606ac1ebc2de7b5e8d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0d012e6dc452e90f48c6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qc11bbb58b69794f4cd22","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":903,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T12:33:07.382Z","text":"数字银行有324人吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9af7088447cf7ba83686","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc11bbb58b69794f4cd22","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9af7088447cf7ba83686","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q33d1f3f9647b22d1e3ef","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":904,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T12:33:12.540Z","text":"不是134人吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q33d1f3f9647b22d1e3ef","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q4172e4351a6ae2e030e3","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":905,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T12:34:06.896Z","text":"是Hamilton 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我在看回motion 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就是这个意思啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7cda208adffd973f2de4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf7e68a7c76c6f2a1247d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7cda208adffd973f2de4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q382bb17b41875a83920f","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":930,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T12:54:28.580Z","text":"你说的是对的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q382bb17b41875a83920f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qe05ec92779f334d77137","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":931,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T12:54:48.859Z","text":"所以我个人觉得，辩方很弱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe05ec92779f334d77137","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q8bb4f70b903183fb13bb","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":932,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T12:56:23.595Z","text":"盖尔最后853n，估计是被逼的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8bb4f70b903183fb13bb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q20eba44dcb32e36e7637","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":933,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T12:56:35.877Z","text":"自诉人都在打他","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q20eba44dcb32e36e7637","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qa684208691011d0069d9","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":934,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T12:56:51.767Z","text":"两头吃 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再试图改回853n\n785里检方不认盖尔这个操作","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa684208691011d0069d9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qfd931e92d215a02cb27b","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":935,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-02-04T12:57:29.880Z","text":"盖尔是合同欺诈，基于合同欺诈的一切均应被忽略，那6000人应该自己出来说话。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfd931e92d215a02cb27b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qe9bcddf8a84fb9550c5f","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":936,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T12:58:32.478Z","text":"对啊，这才是重点","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe9bcddf8a84fb9550c5f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q6aac7995d23e2841340a","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":937,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T12:58:40.066Z","text":"辩方律师咋不说","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6aac7995d23e2841340a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q0464ab4a5e6204d7b9ce","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":938,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-02-04T12:59:42.717Z","text":"他们可能不知道，可能就是不作为不想花时间去核实。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0464ab4a5e6204d7b9ce","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qe880ec506c49599fdbaa","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":939,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T13:01:48.356Z","text":"辩方也说了 第5页 \n盖尔这6512人最后761动议 是claimnant索赔 就不能算victim\nHamilton 那324 也不算victim\n那真的受害者 到底是谁？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6aac7995d23e2841340a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe880ec506c49599fdbaa","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6aac7995d23e2841340a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q6b5dbe8050b2afbb055e","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":940,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T13:02:14.833Z","text":"自诉人都点出盖尔是合同欺诈了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0464ab4a5e6204d7b9ce","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6b5dbe8050b2afbb055e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0464ab4a5e6204d7b9ce","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q8c135516aafdc1ae2ae5","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":941,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T13:02:27.695Z","text":"郭的律师不可能不知道吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8c135516aafdc1ae2ae5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qedac0bdf5222dd39da69","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":942,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T13:03:02.450Z","text":"而且盖尔是共谋犯组织的，郭的律师肯定也知道","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qedac0bdf5222dd39da69","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q9bc0731a2815a593d7d7","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":943,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T13:03:36.001Z","text":"我是说为什么辩方不说盖尔是合同欺诈","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe880ec506c49599fdbaa","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9bc0731a2815a593d7d7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe880ec506c49599fdbaa","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qb25f096446f4f3257331","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":944,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T13:04:07.089Z","text":"辩方能从哪里弄合同呢？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9bc0731a2815a593d7d7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb25f096446f4f3257331","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9bc0731a2815a593d7d7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qc3045fd404a248718f52","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":945,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T13:04:19.390Z","text":"看联盟的视频啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb25f096446f4f3257331","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc3045fd404a248718f52","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb25f096446f4f3257331","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q447167deda928b2ae2d1","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":946,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T13:04:34.777Z","text":"还有自诉人的动议啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q447167deda928b2ae2d1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qfe51b77f835724f19341","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":947,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T13:04:42.159Z","text":"那都是证词啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfe51b77f835724f19341","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qf1577ba3daf6e93dd005","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":948,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T13:05:02.110Z","text":"是自诉人自己提交法庭的合法证词","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf1577ba3daf6e93dd005","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q34bbb1ec36fc5cd25ca0","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":949,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T13:05:12.095Z","text":"不是张勇兵组织的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q34bbb1ec36fc5cd25ca0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q76c21c915db3dfd72ea6","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":950,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T13:05:46.009Z","text":"郭的律师宁愿和共谋犯组织的证人合作？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q76c21c915db3dfd72ea6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","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8\nDocket 的853n 只有126个\n不包括Hamilton的324人和喜交所的盖尔6000人 \n那这些人 刑事案里算什么？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7d1192e2dc89be537224","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qa71baf1a4c8b8275a23a","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":954,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T13:20:15.989Z","text":"如果参考page5-6提到的 都不能算victim\n那政府还没收个鸟 G系列 喜交所 都不能动\n\n刑事案的原始victim 找不到了🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa71baf1a4c8b8275a23a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q0388409a3a7e88910ed6","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":955,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T13:39:26.410Z","text":"检方还给辩方律师提供了，投资人给检方的电子邮件","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0388409a3a7e88910ed6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q660473e594f4456ebc6a","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":956,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-02-04T13:39:44.768Z","text":"原始受害者非常可能登记了债权人。然后债权人妨碍司法虚假索赔。意思就是虚假报案。所以我在文件522还是哪个说，把债权人干掉，案件就没有存在的法理根基。当时全凭逻辑推测","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa71baf1a4c8b8275a23a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q660473e594f4456ebc6a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa71baf1a4c8b8275a23a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q310f874a2ab051092ff2","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":957,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T13:39:50.381Z","text":"有没有包括布雷迪违规的邮件？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q310f874a2ab051092ff2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qf4858e744081d769ca15","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":958,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-02-04T13:41:03.511Z","text":"没有证据，不能直接下结论。后面给检方的信，我严重怀疑报案人就包含债权人。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q50e6833e411ff4a54b45","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf4858e744081d769ca15","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qa56a901f43fbdf297160","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":959,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-02-04T13:41:41.853Z","text":"这些东西，辩护律师不去追，第三方折腾，检方法官都装瞎","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa56a901f43fbdf297160","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q3481775fc3dfdc2f9703","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":960,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T13:44:46.819Z","text":"第三方翻不了案，只有辩方律师可以","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3481775fc3dfdc2f9703","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q193a195a188d9d78040a","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":961,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T13:46:26.794Z","text":"怕他们已经被绕晕了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3481775fc3dfdc2f9703","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q193a195a188d9d78040a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3481775fc3dfdc2f9703","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qef347e35642b3529e6c6","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":962,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T14:43:41.239Z","text":"根据 21 U.S.C. § 853(n) 提交申请的人，不会因为该申请本身而自动被认定为刑事案件中的“受害人”。\n下面是法律上的区分：\n1️⃣ 什么是 § 853(n) 申请人？\n§ 853(n) 是刑事没收后的第三方附带程序（ancillary proceeding）。\n该程序允许第三方主张：\n对被没收财产享有合法所有权，或\n享有优先于被告的权利，或\n属于善意有偿购买人（bona fide purchaser for value）\n这个程序解决的是财产权归属问题，而不是是否因犯罪行为受到损害。\n因此，§ 853(n) 申请人在法律上的身份是：\n对被没收财产提出权利主张的第三方\n而不是刑事案件意义上的“受害人”。\n2️⃣ 刑事量刑中的“受害人”是什么？\n在量刑阶段，“受害人”通常涉及：\nMVRA（18 U.S.C. § 3663A） —— 强制性赔偿\nCVRA（18 U.S.C. § 3771） —— 受害人程序性权利\n《联邦量刑指南》中的损失计算\n所谓受害人，是指：\n因犯罪行为而受到直接且近因损害的人。\n这与财产所有权的认定是不同的法律问题。\n3️⃣ § 853(n) 申请人是否可能同时是受害人？\n可以，但前提是事实本身独立支持其受害人身份。\n一个人可能同时：\n在 § 853(n) 程序中主张财产权；\n在量刑或赔偿阶段被认定为犯罪受害人。\n但仅仅提交 § 853(n) 申请，并不会自动成为受害人。\n法院会分别审查这两个身份。\n4️⃣ 对量刑的实际影响\n法官不会因为某人提交了 § 853(n) 申请，就自动把其计入受害人数。\n但如果：\n政府主张该人因犯罪遭受经济损失，且\n法院认定其确实受到直接且近因损害，\n那么该人可能被纳入：\n损失金额计算\n受害人影响陈述\n赔偿范围\n这一认定与 § 853(n) 申请本身无直接必然关系。\n5️⃣ 核心结论\n§ 853(n) = 财产权争议程序\n受害人身份 = 犯罪损害认定\n二者并不自动转化","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qef347e35642b3529e6c6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qa2797d88d939957ab5c6","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":963,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T14:48:39.604Z","text":"［用户 joh***］ 这是一个很好的问题。很多混淆来自于对 § 853(n) 结构的误解。\n首先，法律上并不存在严格意义上的“853(n)(a)”与“853(n)(b)”两类申请人。\n§ 853(n) 的结构如下：\n(n)(1) —— 没收公告通知\n(n)(2) —— 谁有资格提交申请\n(n)(3) —— 申请书的形式与内容要求\n(n)(6)(A) 与 (n)(6)(B) —— 两种可以胜诉的实体法律基础\n通常人们所说的“853n(a)”和“853n(b)”，实际上是指 § 853(n)(6) 下的两种胜诉理论：\n1️⃣ § 853(n)(6)(A) —— 优先或既得权利（Superior / Vested Interest）\n适用于申请人证明：\n其对涉案财产的合法权益，在犯罪发生时已经存在，或优先于被告的权益。\n通俗理解：\n他们在被告犯罪行为发生之前，已经拥有该财产的合法权益。\n典型例子：\n真正所有人\n抵押权人\n在犯罪前已确立权益的信托受益人\n这是一个基于“权利优先顺位”的财产权主张。\n2️⃣ § 853(n)(6)(B) —— 善意有偿购买人（Bona Fide Purchaser for Value, BFP）\n适用于申请人证明：\n自己支付了对价取得财产\n且在取得时合理地不知道该财产会被没收\n通俗理解：\n他们是后来取得财产，但属于善意、无过错的购买人。\n典型例子：\n善意买家\n不知情投资人\n这是一个基于“善意与公平”的取得理论，而非优先顺位理论。\n核心区别\n853(n)(6)(A)\n853(n)(6)(B)\n权利在犯罪时已存在\n在之后取得财产\n强调所有权优先性\n强调善意与对价\n侧重权利来源\n侧重公平与无过错\n但两者本质上都是财产权主张。\n回到你的核心问题：\n853(n)(6)(B) 申请人会被视为“受害人”吗？\n简短回答：\n不会自动被视为受害人。\n853(n)(6)(B) 申请人只是：\n善意有偿购买人。\n这一身份本身并不等同于刑事量刑意义上的“受害人”。\n受害人身份通常需要：\n因犯罪行为遭受直接且近因损害\n在 MVRA、CVRA 或量刑指南框架下被认定\n但在实践中\n在欺诈类案件中，法院有时会认为善意投资人确实遭受经济损失。\n因此：\n提交 853(n)(6)(B) 申请并不会自动成为受害人；\n但检方可能另行主张这些人遭受损失，应纳入量刑损失计算或赔偿范围；\n法院需独立进行量刑阶段的受害人认定。\n总结\n853(n)(6)(A) = 既得或优先所有权人\n853(n)(6)(B) = 善意有偿购买人\n二者都不是自动的“受害人”\n受害人身份需要独立的损害认定","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa2797d88d939957ab5c6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qdfe7d7a84982e552618a","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":964,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T14:50:00.362Z","text":"😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 所以说来说去，辩方律师说什么没用，是不是受害人，要法庭确认。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdfe7d7a84982e552618a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qa19c62f81d6c151497f5","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":965,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T14:52:27.339Z","text":"那辩方就是一厢情愿了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa19c62f81d6c151497f5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q13a62b9936935d4e340d","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":966,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T14:52:51.834Z","text":"辩方律师肯定要为客户说话了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q13a62b9936935d4e340d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qeccf4820da0689cdc79a","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":967,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T14:53:17.097Z","text":"就算说的不痛不痒，也要表现出为客户说话的样子","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeccf4820da0689cdc79a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q58e9e5b03cfe189da3a1","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":968,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-02-04T14:55:11.258Z","text":"数字银行被律师代理的1百多，还有没被代理的。3百多是总数字银行投资人","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1d172d76ef4c5fd54b62","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q58e9e5b03cfe189da3a1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1d172d76ef4c5fd54b62","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q397e925d2a13268e68ce","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":969,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T14:56:14.968Z","text":"没有被律师代理那些，他们是通过什么形式要钱的？辩方律师说他们也否认自己是受害人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q397e925d2a13268e68ce","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q92e9cd0cdd8ee9b8ccc4","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":970,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-02-04T15:05:49.340Z","text":"各种填表我都不记得了； 但是这些人包括我可能在填表时都写了不是郭的受害人 而是政府的受害人。\n记得其中一个政府表格是word 文档，可以自己该标题、问的内容， 上面有owner victim 两项，\n我把victim 那项的标题改成了： BIDEN DOJ VICTIM\n\n并且两项都选了， 还发到了椅子群，让大家参考","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q92e9cd0cdd8ee9b8ccc4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qcf330df0d6f001037548","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":971,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T15:05:49.389Z","text":"辩方律师被联盟收买了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdfe7d7a84982e552618a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf330df0d6f001037548","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdfe7d7a84982e552618a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q18029659ec30f24bc1a8","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":972,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T15:06:54.235Z","text":"有这个倾向","edited":false,"reply_to":"q59aa758c731e939654a4","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q18029659ec30f24bc1a8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q23954f318fc9e2568f6c","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":973,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T15:06:58.896Z","text":"我已经嗅到味道了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q23954f318fc9e2568f6c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q496c6ded067f112f51b8","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":974,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-02-04T15:08:54.329Z","text":"我觉得这次律师做了他们该做的。可能有些点必须要他们澄清一下？\n比如上面提到的共谋犯联盟对郭安所起的作用？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q496c6ded067f112f51b8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qaeb2c089f0bdbfdfde51","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":975,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T15:09:14.473Z","text":"他们有隐秘的提","edited":false,"reply_to":"q496c6ded067f112f51b8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaeb2c089f0bdbfdfde51","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q496c6ded067f112f51b8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q25fde1b6ebfab231d0ec","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":976,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T15:09:31.358Z","text":"共谋犯的罪行不应该加到郭头上","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q25fde1b6ebfab231d0ec","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q8e194759a1404c40dd52","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":977,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T15:09:47.372Z","text":"但是他们这次对联盟的东西照单全收","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8e194759a1404c40dd52","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qb3cb6efbd367dc1b04d1","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":978,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T15:09:55.146Z","text":"是一个相当危险的信号","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb3cb6efbd367dc1b04d1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q9580d7cf260d962a4c5b","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":979,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-02-04T15:10:29.941Z","text":"什么事照单全收？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8e194759a1404c40dd52","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9580d7cf260d962a4c5b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8e194759a1404c40dd52","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qeb4eb63d214879489b27","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":980,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T15:10:40.499Z","text":"数字银行 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要靠这些","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2eb3f6a3bb605fd18a1f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qc2a49b8a4d8d2e708302","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":993,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T15:21:56.986Z","text":"有一定概率吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"qeab9436cc007ab89806a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc2a49b8a4d8d2e708302","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeab9436cc007ab89806a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qea3ca387d898198c8ac6","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":994,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T15:25:32.494Z","text":"这不就是联盟的布局吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"qeab9436cc007ab89806a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea3ca387d898198c8ac6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeab9436cc007ab89806a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q073ba91706784138f0e0","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":995,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T15:25:48.248Z","text":"利用第三方对法院的压力 让律师跟着联盟的步伐走","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q073ba91706784138f0e0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qbf818d6f308a1dc1aa1d","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":996,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T15:28:03.334Z","text":"联盟要摘桃了？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qea3ca387d898198c8ac6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbf818d6f308a1dc1aa1d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea3ca387d898198c8ac6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qe6aa18230b21cac2cc76","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":997,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T15:28:14.451Z","text":"那说明郭快出来了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe6aa18230b21cac2cc76","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q948a222e07dc771a2f39","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":998,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T15:28:25.124Z","text":"这就是摘桃行为","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbf818d6f308a1dc1aa1d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q948a222e07dc771a2f39","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbf818d6f308a1dc1aa1d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"q39a26fb43dc33c79032b","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":999,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T15:28:42.033Z","text":"但你想靠律师那点三脚猫功夫 翻案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q39a26fb43dc33c79032b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"},{"id":"qffd15436705e0e82a281","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":1000,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T15:28:44.124Z","text":"是不可能的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qffd15436705e0e82a281","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000074","next_batch_id":"batch-000076"}