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这个PAG背后的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3665b718ec1c8f6ca9cc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1935d612c8fdb8310a7d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3665b718ec1c8f6ca9cc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q5815abb04fec6e3a30cd","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":206,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-05T04:00:37.192Z","text":"当时老江和阿哲，包括猪贝贝，都说盗国贼要被rico了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5815abb04fec6e3a30cd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q4906f69175cea16c09e4","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":207,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-05T04:00:57.739Z","text":"我都没看出来盗国贼怎么在这个案子里被Rico","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4906f69175cea16c09e4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q08f894c74eb9fd466a7a","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":208,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-05T04:00:58.145Z","text":"🐷贝贝就是说的 破产案","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5815abb04fec6e3a30cd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q08f894c74eb9fd466a7a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5815abb04fec6e3a30cd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qeea63963bd18c3957758","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":209,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-05T04:02:47.877Z","text":"PAG报假案 诉郭欠的3000万 这是虚假的\n还有那帮Luc 接受登记的债权人","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4906f69175cea16c09e4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeea63963bd18c3957758","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4906f69175cea16c09e4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qdfece679af46c879fa76","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":210,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-02-05T04:02:52.398Z","text":"是的。民事rico就是可以原案反杀，pax,杨澜吴征，可以把多少老杂毛扯进来，拭目以待。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1935d612c8fdb8310a7d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdfece679af46c879fa76","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1935d612c8fdb8310a7d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qe8ece844ce10e2a02c44","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":211,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-05T04:05:08.753Z","text":"我靠，要达到你说的效果，这案子还得打多少年啊？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe8ece844ce10e2a02c44","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q56b84a3e2f7bb1dcd3ee","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":212,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-05T04:06:48.855Z","text":"刑事案 政府强行没收资产 再处理 \n这一招 不就类似 \n一开始政府把Mahwah强行没收给破产案的Luc 处理卖掉 毁尸灭迹 毁证据","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q56b84a3e2f7bb1dcd3ee","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qf1156b6fd6c7e9992326","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":213,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-05T04:10:45.998Z","text":"/Mahwah所有权不是郭的 破产案不牵扯这里\n刑事案 政府把它定义成郭犯罪所得资金购买的 强行没收（这个时间点 郭还没定罪 没开始没收 这是检方程序不对的地方）\n然后和Luc签协议 卖掉 毁灭证据","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf1156b6fd6c7e9992326","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q51895a77cb7389b387c4","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":214,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-05T04:16:33.479Z","text":"刑事案 检方现在这样 同样的套路 也是要强行开始没收\nGTV SEC是和解 返还全额 没有政府（检方）的事\n小地鼠这样干 登记的都是petition 853i 没有能够反对没收的 都等政府（检方）赦免\n拿大头的还是PAX那帮人","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf1156b6fd6c7e9992326","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q51895a77cb7389b387c4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf1156b6fd6c7e9992326","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qe7f9f27e53481641bfec","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":215,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-02-05T04:50:50.855Z","text":"https://x.com/yalun369/status/2019176161335521307?s=19","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe7f9f27e53481641bfec","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q00aa6fecb1236321eb0d","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":216,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-05T04:52:01.620Z","text":"还是找钱嘛\nGTV SEC和解 钱在政府对吧\nGclub 钱在 政府冻结？\nfarm借贷 也是冻结？\n/但重点是喜交所的钱 账面还在用户数据上 但是部分钱已经被CEO 余 转走了 余还没出庭过\n青们 是想掩盖余和受益人\n/喜交所6000用户本来就不该进到这个刑事案里面 是盖尔强行带进来的\n用户应该找喜交所要钱 和政府没半毛钱关系 为什么要签853i 同意政府没收？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q82ab254746fac635e235","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q00aa6fecb1236321eb0d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q82ab254746fac635e235","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qbcc6953e92bec780c04d","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":217,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-05T05:02:38.346Z","text":"辩方799纠结“受害者”人数 因为这些人不承认是“郭的受害者”\n青正好可以用799维稳6000人 继续推登记853i 不反对检方（政府）没收\n这样和检方（政府）死磕的就少了\n/6000人本来就不该进刑事案 成为几方工具人\n/检方 法官可以无视辩方 根据登记信息 继续定义 6000人是“犯罪活动”受害者 （可以不是郭的受害者）\n/犯罪活动已经存在了 那1.3B依旧是犯罪所得资金 继续没收\n/打个比方就是 币安交易所涉嫌犯罪 资金被SEC冻结 CEO赵长鹏还没出庭 用户就吵着要政府（还不是SEC）先把资金没收 再返还 这不是有病嘛","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbcc6953e92bec780c04d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qb3b11a1a20202574078e","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":218,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-02-05T05:29:13.656Z","text":"同意喜交所根本就不该进入这个刑事案。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb3b11a1a20202574078e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qb0af9059e728a4369455","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":219,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-05T05:40:22.539Z","text":"引喜交所用户进来\n1 前期当受害者 增加诈骗金额（5亿）给陪审团看 给郭定罪\n2 后期改853i 走政府没收 赦免返还 这5亿要给破产案债权人先分 喜交所用户分渣渣\n3 掩盖CEO 余 和最终受益人 何\n4 方便青维稳 防止6000人反水 和政府争钱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb0af9059e728a4369455","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qcc09f15342d0cecf5868","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":220,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-05T05:43:13.222Z","text":"那不正好 知道钱反正是没了 和他们死磕到底","edited":false,"reply_to":"qadaed8082b52f4570621","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcc09f15342d0cecf5868","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qb03318317ba203018931","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":221,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-02-05T05:47:24.304Z","text":"但是喜交所是先被政府扣押查封的 - 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名义上是只代表用户向SEC要回冻结的钱","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb03318317ba203018931","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9fb5de2f9a466749d833","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb03318317ba203018931","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qb24629057642b87417da","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":223,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-05T06:00:02.693Z","text":"喜交所CEO余 转钱 G系列投资者很多也是喜交所用户 涉及到郭 王 然后三个被告并案\n盖尔这时候带着喜交所几千人填的853 i表（仔细看申请表的抬头 就是三个被告在一起）到刑事案\n这几千人从“余”的受害者 转成了“郭 余 王”的受害者 王认罪 涉及三个人的资产 都算诈骗\n喜交所的5亿 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我忘了号码了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6f3ec92048de8da1dc3a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q14314b68a87277c7271a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6f3ec92048de8da1dc3a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qdebad71c18b23cd1f50f","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":234,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-05T15:06:55.865Z","text":"好像是律师的哪个动议？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdebad71c18b23cd1f50f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q7226cd6d9851e4509532","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":235,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-05T15:24:36.447Z","text":"这两张就够了\n有关喜交所的资金流向 最后都要通过盖尔 拿到法庭上 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[删节：成员身份]","edited":true,"reply_to":"q87964454c2ce13dd558d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8473ffbea7e52709ede5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q87964454c2ce13dd558d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q488e837d01cdf7fd4856","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":247,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-05T16:11:52.083Z","text":"法官状态会都说了，如果你申请了853 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美国系统性思考人才太少 爱泼斯坦就是其中之一","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8afdcbd76dd41e35f84c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q716b8bbe9e0f4a37bca5","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":273,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-05T22:13:41.051Z","text":"这个和我们观察到的南区法院是一样的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q716b8bbe9e0f4a37bca5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q9a10c82c87cd6638bd19","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":274,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-05T22:14:05.809Z","text":"律师只懂他会的那一块 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包括共产党就是其中之一","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q57481bb9135ae5c5505b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q82b3af5ec4ac4e5804a6","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":277,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-05T22:16:42.292Z","text":"美国人的偏见 傲慢 看不见自己的短处","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q82b3af5ec4ac4e5804a6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q0956617eab13d33d68c0","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":278,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-05T22:18:18.463Z","text":"郭案当中 就算你找受害者律师 律师最多也就给你发个动议。 然而如果你要求律师模仿瑞恩 从二巡 打法官 检方 luc 法官回避 最高法 司法欺诈 报复受害者 打所有人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0956617eab13d33d68c0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qaf25845b03a4491df7b5","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":279,"speaker":"lon***","date":"2026-02-05T22:39:07.008Z","text":"被[删节：成员身份]开盒了，还是黄国安牛……","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaf25845b03a4491df7b5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qeca2756c0e698d8d542f","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":280,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-02-05T22:40:56.535Z","text":"看来他们不是一条线上的，这个人超级恶心，郭先生好像掘过他家祖坟","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeca2756c0e698d8d542f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q995be6d29cb84b63019f","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":281,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2026-02-05T22:42:48.818Z","text":"居然班农还有对爱泼斯坦的两个小时的采访。\n世界是草台班子，那个所谓的三边委员会，就是三角形黄金眼标志吧，也就是光明会 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的返还程序，为客户保全权利（其中许多客户未能提交返还申请）”\n这一步，才是真正危险的地方。\n二、第二张图（文件 789）把话说得更赤裸裸\n这张图是法院 / 文件在“法理上解释 853(n) 和 853(i) 的区别”。\n我直接给你一句话总结：\n853(n) 是“法院裁决第三方财产权”；\n853(i) 是“司法部的行政恩赐（宽免 / 返还）”。\n法律本质区别（非常重要）\n条款\n本质\n谁说了算\n853(n)\n你“本来就有”的财产权\n法院\n853(i)\n政府“愿不愿意还你钱”\n司法部（DOJ）\n文件 789 明确写了三点（红线部分）：\n853(n)\n是请法院裁决\n判断第三方是否对被没收财产有优先或先存权利\n853(i)\n只是赋予司法部长酌情权\n可以“减轻 / 宽免 / 返还”\n👉 不是权利，是施舍\n853(i) 的对象被定性为：犯罪受害人\n三、把两张图连在一起，你就会发现一个非常致命的结构\nGeyer 实际上在做三件事：\n把“投资人”整体框进一个框\n不是“财产权人”\n而是“可能获得返还的犯罪受害人”\n把程序重心从 853(n) 偷换到 853(i)\n表面说参与 853(n)\n实际强调：很多人“没提交返还申请”\n为后续走 DOJ 行政返还铺路\n把法院踢出“裁决权”的位置\n如果是 853(i)\n👉 法院基本无权裁\n👉 司法部、检方、受托人说了算\n四、这对你、对郭文贵案意味着什么？\n① 对你个人\n你之前坚持 853(n)(6)(A) 是完全正确的：\n你主张的是：\n先存财产权\n不是“我被骗了”\n不是“求政府还钱”\n而 Geyer 的路径是：\n把你变成“政府承认的受害人”\n再由 DOJ 决定给不给、给多少、什么时候给\n👉 这是本质对立的两条路。\n② 对郭文贵本人（极其关键）\n一旦投资人被整体定性为：\n“犯罪受害人（victims）+ 走 853(i) 返还”\n那就等于在法律结构上确认：\n钱 = 犯罪所得\n投资人 = 被骗对象\n郭文贵 = 诈骗者\n⚠️ 这会直接巩固有罪叙事，甚至影响量刑。\n五、你之前问的那些问题，现在全都对上了\n你之前的疑问\n现在的答案\n为什么区分 853(n) 和 853(i)？\n因为一个是权利裁判，一个是政府施舍\n为什么法院不 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\n第一次发的南区法院邮件，你们用的是哪个邮箱。","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb59a86690c071fbef8fe","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q7746e9492acf4b4a440b","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":284,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-02-05T23:23:35.857Z","text":"Second","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb59a86690c071fbef8fe","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7746e9492acf4b4a440b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb59a86690c071fbef8fe","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qf6f07c7ecac1fd7e7493","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":285,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2026-02-05T23:23:45.963Z","text":"下面那个","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf6f07c7ecac1fd7e7493","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q15f6944a5e653a86e73c","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":286,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-02-05T23:23:53.405Z","text":"Yeah","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q15f6944a5e653a86e73c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q8fbd1a87313ed96be8ea","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":287,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-05T23:32:08.203Z","text":"你说对了 没投资谁关心这破事","edited":false,"reply_to":"q51ec2d5f41db7122a31f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8fbd1a87313ed96be8ea","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q51ec2d5f41db7122a31f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q9255f2c701814d4e7b39","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":288,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-02-05T23:37:29.611Z","text":"https://x.com/baoliaogeming/status/2019555855100965309?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9255f2c701814d4e7b39","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qe44a289385f4d46bc960","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":289,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-06T00:30:22.393Z","text":"https://x.com/NFSC_nick/status/2019534993392119888?s=20","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe44a289385f4d46bc960","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qaec39794511f04d89900","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":290,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-02-06T00:53:30.989Z","text":"https://x.com/only_nfsc/status/2019321383231320156?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaec39794511f04d89900","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q421659c42b6412f5c7ce","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":291,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-06T00:54:29.655Z","text":"这人最近不是一直在和所罗门打吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qaec39794511f04d89900","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q421659c42b6412f5c7ce","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaec39794511f04d89900","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q92552b33d2e9a7afdeb9","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":292,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-06T00:55:09.531Z","text":"他不参与美国政治，还和所罗门打成那样？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q92552b33d2e9a7afdeb9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qf4c02f4dba21cdce9f5b","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":293,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-02-06T01:02:05.991Z","text":"https://x.com/baoliaogeming/status/2019576941859467297?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf4c02f4dba21cdce9f5b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q42ee1a1721c27998eec1","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":294,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-02-06T01:20:05.981Z","text":"https://x.com/baoliaogeming/status/2019581638448160824?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q42ee1a1721c27998eec1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q332b82823be465a225de","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":295,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-02-06T01:21:55.796Z","text":"https://x.com/ac1900m/status/2019563602215391428?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q332b82823be465a225de","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q6a4a6467c5b061c22e43","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":296,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-02-06T01:23:21.028Z","text":"要听一下张永兵说了什么","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6a4a6467c5b061c22e43","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qa087ca658954f8a191ab","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":297,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-06T01:29:21.837Z","text":"张永兵刑事罪","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa087ca658954f8a191ab","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qd4bd862c932081fbe76a","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":298,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-02-06T01:30:04.063Z","text":"陪审团定罪后，检方还能撤案的？真是法盲，要不法官推翻，要不上诉法院推翻。这帮烂货搞这些没用的忽悠","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd4bd862c932081fbe76a","reply_url":null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要么是和他们一条线","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1439b0f296de38d73626","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q020c75b91ab0f04ee920","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":343,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-06T02:20:30.581Z","text":"这些证据一审都没用上，上诉怎么会看","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9dbb64525a432bf441da","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q020c75b91ab0f04ee920","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9dbb64525a432bf441da","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q1089e311bfecc87b27f4","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":344,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-06T02:20:51.953Z","text":"除非律师一审拿出证据","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1089e311bfecc87b27f4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qefe9cb3fb1f7fdcf1bfc","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":345,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-06T02:21:12.877Z","text":"所以啊 废了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q020c75b91ab0f04ee920","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qefe9cb3fb1f7fdcf1bfc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q020c75b91ab0f04ee920","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q184dca3c415b2bd2f408","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":346,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-06T02:21:24.150Z","text":"郭三个[屏蔽词]律师已经被收买了","edited":true,"reply_to":"q1439b0f296de38d73626","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q184dca3c415b2bd2f408","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1439b0f296de38d73626","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qcab648432be2deeac294","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":347,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-06T02:22:26.500Z","text":"一审就知道的证据，你如果一审不用，上诉根本不会考虑","edited":false,"reply_to":"q184dca3c415b2bd2f408","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcab648432be2deeac294","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q184dca3c415b2bd2f408","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q8c8c93a5cd47209a2e54","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":348,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-06T02:23:21.318Z","text":"这些证据是一审收到的 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1万人随便弄弄","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q58dfb1273c3c815466bc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q08f2751b3204b5d79eaa","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":351,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-06T02:24:10.494Z","text":"郭自己埋的坑就好好受着","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q08f2751b3204b5d79eaa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q05de28436a2d1d16e534","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":352,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-06T02:25:38.334Z","text":"之前GTV和解 那4亿在 公平基金退款剩下的钱 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有个动议里有具体值 \n而且盖尔的717动议明白说了 用到25年4月的填表内容","edited":false,"reply_to":"q488de59481b57069ac94","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q92f0fc1bee9ead44a86c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q488de59481b57069ac94","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qe9eab58a4d5df0a0434f","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":368,"speaker":"lon***","date":"2026-02-06T02:36:22.980Z","text":"只有一种可能，他怕郭先生断了他的粮食……","edited":false,"reply_to":"qeca2756c0e698d8d542f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe9eab58a4d5df0a0434f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeca2756c0e698d8d542f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qcedabc2c43a9cd577da8","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":369,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-06T02:37:21.506Z","text":"盖尔的数据洗脚所就可以提供吧，不需要联盟吧，我不太清楚。这些表格填完是给谁的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q92f0fc1bee9ead44a86c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcedabc2c43a9cd577da8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q92f0fc1bee9ead44a86c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q01e404fb0801d73ca1c1","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":370,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-02-06T02:37:46.526Z","text":"https://x.com/7star8964/status/2019582982370230407?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q01e404fb0801d73ca1c1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q9f1c33cf6c20f668eead","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":371,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-06T02:38:48.614Z","text":"不清楚 群里有人填的\n最后应该是汇总给了农场","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcedabc2c43a9cd577da8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9f1c33cf6c20f668eead","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcedabc2c43a9cd577da8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q6e5f1e7fe6bc911f2d17","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":372,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-06T02:39:42.487Z","text":"动议717 盖尔 Arrow 部分\nMost recent April filing \n盖尔从哪里拿到这些file的 \n又不是通过客户邮件","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6e5f1e7fe6bc911f2d17","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q0873c9a7bbdb87bddb40","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":373,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-06T02:39:56.217Z","text":"这些表格给农场没用啊，只有寄给检方才有用","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9f1c33cf6c20f668eead","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0873c9a7bbdb87bddb40","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9f1c33cf6c20f668eead","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q8c8189a46b2145e0a322","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":374,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-06T02:42:23.304Z","text":"什么价值","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8c8189a46b2145e0a322","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q22b93c150437068405fc","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":375,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-06T02:43:44.336Z","text":"农场拿了这些表格，要干嘛？寄给检方？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf4334acc7afebab88333","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q22b93c150437068405fc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q69e87267796ac120fe59","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":376,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-06T02:44:06.652Z","text":"还是给了盖尔，让盖尔代理要钱？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q69e87267796ac120fe59","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qb7a93a064a57d05ebb41","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":377,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-06T02:44:14.284Z","text":"对啊 这就是问题","edited":false,"reply_to":"q22b93c150437068405fc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb7a93a064a57d05ebb41","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q22b93c150437068405fc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q8ab25eda6ea216003e1c","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":378,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-06T02:44:27.710Z","text":"盖尔没有客户签字授权，怎么可能代理？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ab25eda6ea216003e1c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q0553cc408156891e2801","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":379,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-06T02:44:55.245Z","text":"不管怎么样，这些都可以让检方查清楚","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0553cc408156891e2801","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q4e03f6981762f89d5bb4","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":380,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-06T02:45:17.853Z","text":"717动议 盖尔的那个4月份填表 从哪里获取的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q69e87267796ac120fe59","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4e03f6981762f89d5bb4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q69e87267796ac120fe59","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q7c3c637dd950207f25d8","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":381,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-06T02:45:41.228Z","text":"只可能是 青联盟农场 给的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7c3c637dd950207f25d8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q412a5d4e218d73279a60","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":382,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-06T02:45:58.347Z","text":"对啊，有很多自诉人动议不就提到了盖尔代理的问题吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4e03f6981762f89d5bb4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q412a5d4e218d73279a60","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4e03f6981762f89d5bb4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qb3c7fe9ce213eef7a047","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":383,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-06T02:46:11.863Z","text":"可能还有很多动议被压下来了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb3c7fe9ce213eef7a047","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qe77959f9ad513b4ae8a9","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":384,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-06T02:47:26.770Z","text":"你不懂的价值","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8c8189a46b2145e0a322","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe77959f9ad513b4ae8a9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8c8189a46b2145e0a322","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q929d4d5d4a5da59be97a","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":385,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-06T02:48:59.396Z","text":"不止代理问题\n第三方客户代理律师 数据不是来自客户\n而是来自涉嫌共谋的联盟","edited":false,"reply_to":"q412a5d4e218d73279a60","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q929d4d5d4a5da59be97a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q412a5d4e218d73279a60","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q83bc9cda7edbde08e231","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":386,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-06T02:53:00.147Z","text":"如果是真的，那确实有问题。但是我不太清楚。如果谁明白这块儿，可以说明一下。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q929d4d5d4a5da59be97a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q83bc9cda7edbde08e231","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q929d4d5d4a5da59be97a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qcf65017f3fc8aad489c3","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":387,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-06T02:55:13.275Z","text":"我没有填25年3月的那个表 不知道后续 是不是给了各个农场集中","edited":false,"reply_to":"q83bc9cda7edbde08e231","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf65017f3fc8aad489c3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q83bc9cda7edbde08e231","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q1696857eacc0574a2ace","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":388,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-06T02:55:54.421Z","text":"盖尔和联盟农场应该有千丝万缕的关系","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1696857eacc0574a2ace","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qb87b1910cdef4968f328","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":389,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-06T03:05:27.984Z","text":"三票目前也开始洗脑\n要这6000人接受 853i 当“受害者”\n不要反对 检方（政府）没收\n（原版英文里 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😂","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc480b7d5b2f66a385a60","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qf3fd06b6429b2857146f","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":394,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-06T04:04:43.286Z","text":"就骂[删节：成员身份] 大[屏蔽词] 天天骂\n没文化还要天天X上显摆\n看看你填的盖尔的表 petition for remission \n分不清restitution / remission\n就是文盲 法盲 傻X还要强行装B\n被 青 盖尔 检方 合伙rape了还要强行喊高潮","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf3fd06b6429b2857146f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q7633acbfcc0bb7608f18","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":395,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-06T04:08:14.604Z","text":"郭文贵律师的799 大量引用法案 就是被瑞恩 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啥都没干","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8bc5cdac985c603e63e5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qb3b0f645ef90d6165c84","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":398,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-06T04:09:58.796Z","text":"律师799引用的法案 完全就是感觉要比赛去的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb3b0f645ef90d6165c84","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qa63a96994ee7eb871e77","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":399,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-02-06T04:10:05.433Z","text":"即使那样，郭律师应该是采用了第三方/你们说的那些点","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8bc5cdac985c603e63e5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa63a96994ee7eb871e77","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8bc5cdac985c603e63e5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q959b1a0bc08941746078","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":400,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-06T04:10:31.755Z","text":"不 正好相反 律师啥都不敢采用","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa63a96994ee7eb871e77","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q959b1a0bc08941746078","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa63a96994ee7eb871e77","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000075","next_batch_id":"batch-000077"}