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你来评价评价","edited":true,"reply_to":"qa1bcd6c960d301d3beea","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3bb2d66cc011bbae11da","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa1bcd6c960d301d3beea","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q9676f6558d95ef5468bd","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":451,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-06T05:29:40.609Z","text":"没用的 战友们只信联盟","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9676f6558d95ef5468bd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q4c26c154851c1b30c515","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":452,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-06T05:29:49.490Z","text":"这是郭自己给自己挖的坑","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4c26c154851c1b30c515","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q4f7633553ed8365480e2","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":453,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-06T05:39:31.908Z","text":"联盟我建议赶紧跑","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f7633553ed8365480e2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q9bfdd0bc2159e9d97147","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":454,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-06T05:39:37.479Z","text":"真的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9bfdd0bc2159e9d97147","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qa0a42caca60cfc2d55cf","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":455,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-06T05:40:10.820Z","text":"瑞恩接下去 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但没用了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa9f4a1e1e3ceb29cc54b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q33b805981b63c266d1f5","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":507,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-06T08:30:53.160Z","text":"853早就过期了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q33b805981b63c266d1f5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qa3a286c76a10005ce0a4","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":508,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-06T08:31:29.111Z","text":"那也不可能去发claim索赔了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa3a286c76a10005ce0a4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q64e9cb4dc0124440d7a7","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":509,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-06T08:37:22.700Z","text":"去的人少不了，这下真成了骚扰法庭了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64e9cb4dc0124440d7a7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qe299a633949bdad80e4c","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":510,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-06T08:38:02.027Z","text":"跟信访办门口喊冤的没啥区别","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe299a633949bdad80e4c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qcba1730fab250de0d68a","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":511,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-06T08:41:03.265Z","text":"代理权在盖尔那儿 发也没用 \n参考最初的 朱贝贝\n她用HID编号发了动议 被驳回了\n法官说查询后 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等他的重磅文件出来 大家帮忙疯狂转发！！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q631ae374ce21cefab22c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q597e11e4737c080ea236","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":534,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-06T20:10:49.585Z","text":"今天瑞恩给我打电话了 他说： 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然后他们就是神了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7d1facd5bbcaaf857fb6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q4e472bda712049319aa4","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":537,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-06T23:44:44.430Z","text":"法官說的是未必能通過853n追回拿回錢，因爲如果想通過853n那回錢必須要有確切的證據證明你是錢的owner，有些傻子覺得提交了ancillary petiton就等於petition for remission，這2個本來就是要分開提交的，之前公告寫的很清楚，ancillary petition是ancillary petition， petition for remission是petition for 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又853i","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4e472bda712049319aa4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f89bfb0b01ed19ae880","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4e472bda712049319aa4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q5a18a164717551b7dbc1","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":539,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-06T23:46:10.598Z","text":"853n的表里面说了remission","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5a18a164717551b7dbc1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q01a41adecac8c1df1c59","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":540,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-06T23:46:13.861Z","text":"所以产生了矛盾","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q01a41adecac8c1df1c59","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q23f3c6b397ed1378658b","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":541,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-06T23:46:15.304Z","text":"不管是853n或者853i都和remission沒關係，你找盖尔就等死吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5f89bfb0b01ed19ae880","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q23f3c6b397ed1378658b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f89bfb0b01ed19ae880","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qdd21d76e640dff55f1ca","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":542,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-06T23:46:31.139Z","text":"有关系 法官说了 853i 就是remission","edited":false,"reply_to":"q23f3c6b397ed1378658b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdd21d76e640dff55f1ca","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q23f3c6b397ed1378658b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q8b745c7d0f23ce87f0f0","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":543,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-06T23:46:49.770Z","text":"remission是petition for remission那是要另外提交的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdd21d76e640dff55f1ca","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8b745c7d0f23ce87f0f0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdd21d76e640dff55f1ca","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q06a0850584f4b6243a90","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":544,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-06T23:46:58.922Z","text":"不用","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8b745c7d0f23ce87f0f0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q06a0850584f4b6243a90","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8b745c7d0f23ce87f0f0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q7fde5a07522ac0dd411a","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":545,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-06T23:47:07.073Z","text":"1月20号法官说了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7fde5a07522ac0dd411a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q43de751787fcf58e8a80","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":546,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-06T23:47:17.106Z","text":"853i 就当remission了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q43de751787fcf58e8a80","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qc7d81e425e00263dacfd","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":547,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-06T23:47:27.751Z","text":"至于怎么流程 不知道","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc7d81e425e00263dacfd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qccf8cc36c3049bc9b7d3","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":548,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-06T23:47:58.947Z","text":"那爲什麼不直接提交petition for remsission？去搞什麼853i？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q43de751787fcf58e8a80","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qccf8cc36c3049bc9b7d3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q43de751787fcf58e8a80","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q1b3b80680a86dcd1c180","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":549,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-06T23:48:10.429Z","text":"那你要问盖尔了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qccf8cc36c3049bc9b7d3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1b3b80680a86dcd1c180","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qccf8cc36c3049bc9b7d3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qf134473474a8618c8a3c","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":550,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-06T23:48:27.093Z","text":"我懷疑裏面有貓膩","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf134473474a8618c8a3c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qbf3ced8e863b8aa7b480","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":551,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-06T23:49:05.244Z","text":"发错人了 盖尔就他妈不是个人","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf134473474a8618c8a3c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbf3ced8e863b8aa7b480","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf134473474a8618c8a3c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qaaa63fc41a592d1c2638","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":552,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-06T23:50:12.887Z","text":"還真的有些不同","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaaa63fc41a592d1c2638","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qc941d2003d36b7e8ceb3","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":553,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-06T23:50:28.061Z","text":"怎么说","edited":false,"reply_to":"qaaa63fc41a592d1c2638","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc941d2003d36b7e8ceb3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaaa63fc41a592d1c2638","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q1263930eea1b1b31d30a","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":554,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-06T23:51:11.606Z","text":"是不一样的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe50d21ca92d7557a82cf","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1263930eea1b1b31d30a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q045fbae2e43ef929ffdc","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":555,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-06T23:51:14.420Z","text":"但托雷斯说了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q045fbae2e43ef929ffdc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q6cfe2ef9cecd55251645","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":556,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-06T23:51:23.385Z","text":"853i都当remission","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6cfe2ef9cecd55251645","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q461c6e74d07f213de66b","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":557,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-06T23:52:02.251Z","text":"托雷斯把司法流程变成行政流程","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q461c6e74d07f213de66b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qb179d432206232824cf6","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":558,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-06T23:52:08.136Z","text":"早就被瑞恩打废了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb179d432206232824cf6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qbd6b470e3133e362739a","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":559,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-06T23:55:31.683Z","text":"問題是找蓋爾那幫人在那登記說他們不是受害者","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1263930eea1b1b31d30a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbd6b470e3133e362739a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1263930eea1b1b31d30a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qab5e5a46045c3d8b5595","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":560,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-06T23:55:47.672Z","text":"然後他們又去寫853i這不是自相矛盾嗎","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qab5e5a46045c3d8b5595","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qdc3e04bdb78c0e2a5776","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":561,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-06T23:59:08.247Z","text":"他們說自己不是受害者，然後又去寫853i說自己是受害者，這不是精神分裂是什麼，第三方看他們那群人就像是搗亂的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdc3e04bdb78c0e2a5776","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q2fb2a82827383386023d","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":562,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-02-07T00:06:51.630Z","text":"盖尔合同欺诈是不是犯罪","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2fb2a82827383386023d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q4ccc97cc7a51134528a5","batch_id":"batch-00007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谁敢来","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2d9eb8711ccc6165b6b2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qadc8b9ffde7e272251fc","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":565,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T01:36:15.246Z","text":"853i就是remission","edited":false,"reply_to":"qccf8cc36c3049bc9b7d3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qadc8b9ffde7e272251fc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qccf8cc36c3049bc9b7d3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qc15b065e57ae67a392ab","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":566,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T01:36:33.445Z","text":"同一个东西","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc15b065e57ae67a392ab","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q83b00efd1fdde2c65b8e","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":567,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T01:38:08.046Z","text":"法官说的是如果你提交了remission 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2.犯罪资金, 这两个理由都是合法的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2c7a7afa59d818dd337e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q94a74c95927b6747bdf0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2c7a7afa59d818dd337e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q312b56fc7358ac5a9381","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":586,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T01:56:39.373Z","text":"律师现在好像是想把犯罪资金划分成郭的责任，还是其他人的责任","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q312b56fc7358ac5a9381","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qfbeb890b82cf9ac0de1d","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":587,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T01:56:54.413Z","text":"然后减少郭的责任的部分","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfbeb890b82cf9ac0de1d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qce7f6d1f2f85c2280ec9","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":588,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-02-07T01:57:10.898Z","text":"本案的三名被告，只有于建民转移得最多，但赶不上luc挥霍得多，真正应该没收的是于建民转移的，以及那些还没被抓的灭共演员rico诈骗犯转移的资金。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qce7f6d1f2f85c2280ec9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q7406ab677779f32af1c7","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":589,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T01:58:15.216Z","text":"联盟的解读肯定是只解读对他们有利的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7406ab677779f32af1c7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q0000c2c540d0d692105f","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":590,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-02-07T01:58:15.396Z","text":"不，那个判例是不久前的判例，最高法反复强调，没收必须仅限被转移到被告名下的资金，以及被转移到被告名下后再转移出去的资金。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q94a74c95927b6747bdf0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0000c2c540d0d692105f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q94a74c95927b6747bdf0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qc106806a17c29347e19a","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":591,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-07T01:58:30.997Z","text":"25年的判例","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0000c2c540d0d692105f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc106806a17c29347e19a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0000c2c540d0d692105f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q61bbc8ad4864a60426f0","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":592,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-07T01:59:05.894Z","text":"那按照这个判例 没收金额为0","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0000c2c540d0d692105f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q61bbc8ad4864a60426f0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0000c2c540d0d692105f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q7afa17bbd9b0034c0279","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":593,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-02-07T01:59:13.061Z","text":"本案中在各个实体账户上的资金，就是不能没收。但如果你不去死磕，就是会稀里糊涂的被没收。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7afa17bbd9b0034c0279","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qcdc04c52ea9b9112df38","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":594,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-02-07T02:00:25.332Z","text":"被转移的是可以的，目前检方只没收了于建民的，李亚等的没有被没收。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q61bbc8ad4864a60426f0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcdc04c52ea9b9112df38","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q61bbc8ad4864a60426f0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qf2d5223925bbee03b82b","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":595,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T02:01:02.384Z","text":"Honeycutt v. United States（2017年）\n核心判决要点\n美国最高法院裁定：\n在 21 U.S.C. § 853 规定的刑事没收制度下，被告只能被判没收其本人实际取得的犯罪所得。\n被告 不能因为共谋关系而对共犯取得的全部犯罪收益承担连带责任（joint and several liability）。\n案件背景\n两兄弟经营一家五金店。\n店铺出售一种含碘净水产品，该产品后来被他人用于制造冰毒。\n政府要求没收约 26.9万美元，即该产品销售的全部利润。\nHoneycutt 只是领取固定工资的员工，并未实际获得这些利润。\n下级法院仍判令其对全部利润承担连带没收责任。\n最高法院的裁决\n最高法院推翻了该判决，理由是：\n§853 规定没收“被告**直接或间接取得（obtained）**的财产”。\n“obtained” 一词意味着必须是被告本人实际获得的财产。\n国会并未授权在 §853 下适用连带责任。\n刑事没收仅限于被告个人取得的“受污染收益”（tainted proceeds）。\n简单来说：\n不能要求一个从未拿到那笔钱的人去没收那笔钱。\n该案的重要意义\nHoneycutt 案显著限制了刑事没收的范围：\n共谋案件中不再自动适用连带责任；\n法院必须具体认定该被告本人取得了多少犯罪收益；\n没收金额不得超过被告个人实际取得的数额。\n后续影响\n该判决不仅适用于毒品案件，还被多个联邦上诉法院扩展适用于欺诈、洗钱等其他没收条款，例如：\nUnited States v. Tanner\nUnited States v. Elias\n这些案件确认：只要相关没收条文使用类似“obtained”的语言，就必须适用 Honeycutt 的“个人取得”限制原则。\n实务影响\nHoneycutt 之后：\n政府必须证明被告本人实际取得或控制了犯罪所得；\n金钱判决（money judgment）不能简单等于整个犯罪计划的总金额；\n法院必须作出个别化认定，而不能推定共谋人自动承担全部责任。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf2d5223925bbee03b82b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qdba04d73bd285bb2fe63","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":596,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-02-07T02:01:12.612Z","text":"就是喜交所个人账户的钱不能没收是吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7afa17bbd9b0034c0279","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdba04d73bd285bb2fe63","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7afa17bbd9b0034c0279","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q4526c2ee56f029bf252b","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":597,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T02:01:56.504Z","text":"最高法判例没有说必须是被告直接获得的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4526c2ee56f029bf252b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q2c4a6529910cc5c871b9","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":598,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T02:02:04.849Z","text":"可以是被告间接获得的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2c4a6529910cc5c871b9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q14e00b3e15428653f0cb","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":599,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-07T02:02:11.495Z","text":"所以地鼠要继续填表 1W人\n1 那5亿是喜交所客户的 有证明\n2 客户不反对刑事案里检方（政府）没收\n\n最后5亿里大头 给破产案债权人PAG","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdba04d73bd285bb2fe63","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q14e00b3e15428653f0cb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdba04d73bd285bb2fe63","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q60cf9678ecc519c8d842","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":600,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-02-07T02:02:13.180Z","text":"应该是喜交所这个实体的账户不能没收。但某个灭共演员的账户上的钱是它们诈骗转移来的钱，可以被没收。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdba04d73bd285bb2fe63","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q60cf9678ecc519c8d842","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdba04d73bd285bb2fe63","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000075","next_batch_id":"batch-000077"}