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优先分钱","edited":true,"reply_to":"q238aaf69a32a5f1f3128","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0a21afc9165c6730004c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q238aaf69a32a5f1f3128","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qa7d2fda66bfae94bf3bf","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":629,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-07T03:15:08.605Z","text":"沒那麼悲觀，這次853n的要求很高，真要只剩下5%給DOJ分給remission那簡直可以說是瘋了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0a21afc9165c6730004c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa7d2fda66bfae94bf3bf","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0a21afc9165c6730004c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qbf02cf01625011053ba5","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":630,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T03:16:32.968Z","text":"Remission就是看司法部的心情分钱","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa7d2fda66bfae94bf3bf","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbf02cf01625011053ba5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa7d2fda66bfae94bf3bf","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q647e043d3d4e5cea97c9","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":631,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T03:16:51.100Z","text":"司法部要是喜欢luc，全都分给债权人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q647e043d3d4e5cea97c9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qb81bcc08ed45455fded4","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":632,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T03:17:28.154Z","text":"司法部分钱可是没有透明度的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb81bcc08ed45455fded4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q820460e395dbc1557098","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":633,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-07T03:17:36.028Z","text":"这13亿 那边还不够分 [删节：成员身份] 就2亿了","edited":true,"reply_to":"q647e043d3d4e5cea97c9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q820460e395dbc1557098","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q647e043d3d4e5cea97c9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qdab4b1c104c7395d7e85","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":634,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T03:17:38.462Z","text":"人家愿意怎么分，怎么分","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdab4b1c104c7395d7e85","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q3ccab739ee220b1086ca","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":635,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T03:18:24.577Z","text":"法院不会管你的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3ccab739ee220b1086ca","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qcc13ab77671deed283e9","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":636,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-07T03:19:33.259Z","text":"可能需要你爬爬楼 搜索之前关于853n i 的内容\n才能读懂这个局是怎么设计的\n破产案 刑事案 优先/普通债权人","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa7d2fda66bfae94bf3bf","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcc13ab77671deed283e9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa7d2fda66bfae94bf3bf","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qd39791a2c4661c4c3d65","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":637,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-07T03:19:59.898Z","text":"doj是doj，法庭是法庭","edited":false,"reply_to":"q647e043d3d4e5cea97c9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd39791a2c4661c4c3d65","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q647e043d3d4e5cea97c9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qc73328226f0d69bdb31a","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":638,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T03:20:07.601Z","text":"对啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd39791a2c4661c4c3d65","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc73328226f0d69bdb31a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd39791a2c4661c4c3d65","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q6f3cb673797d11b4bccf","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":639,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T03:20:21.635Z","text":"法庭至少有透明度，doj有透明度吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6f3cb673797d11b4bccf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q6560aa332b5352e3317c","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":640,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T03:20:58.861Z","text":"当然现在法庭已经不上传文件了，也没透明度了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6560aa332b5352e3317c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q0a0097b05d3acc8fdde7","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":641,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T03:21:11.364Z","text":"但是至少以后可能会上传","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0a0097b05d3acc8fdde7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q06adc36e4ad05ae878d0","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":642,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-07T03:21:30.585Z","text":"這個透明度倒是一個很大的問題","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6f3cb673797d11b4bccf","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q06adc36e4ad05ae878d0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6f3cb673797d11b4bccf","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q9f202e9e01376e61b5fb","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":643,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-07T03:22:31.909Z","text":"在 21 U.S.C. § 853(n) 程序中，第三方（例如與郭文貴有關聯的實體、農場或其他主張擁有資產所有權的個人）可以向法院證明某些被查封的資產「在法律上不屬於被告（郭文貴）」。\n\n如果他們成功：這些資產會從政府的沒收池中被剔除，並直接歸還給這些申索人。這意味著受害者可分配的資金池會變小。\n\n現狀：目前確實有大量的 853(n) 申索正在進行中。如果大部分資產（如 GTV 資金、豪華地產等）最終被裁定為屬於第三方而非郭文貴，那麼留給受害者的錢確實會大幅減少。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9f202e9e01376e61b5fb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qadf3d5c0ef0ae1473128","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":644,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-07T03:24:37.427Z","text":"再看看 优先/普通债权人\n破产案 刑事案合并后 怎么算\n就明白里面的套路了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9f202e9e01376e61b5fb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qadf3d5c0ef0ae1473128","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9f202e9e01376e61b5fb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q5c358f24b3ae9bac0056","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":645,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-07T03:26:04.729Z","text":"代表受害者的律师 谁是受害者？\n是不是喜交所的6000人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5c358f24b3ae9bac0056","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qe620fbe2a33a8f4761e3","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":646,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-07T03:26:34.600Z","text":"不是","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5c358f24b3ae9bac0056","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe620fbe2a33a8f4761e3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5c358f24b3ae9bac0056","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q2839cbb83dc9527147a3","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":647,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-07T03:26:47.764Z","text":"你提到的「5,200 名 Himalaya Exchange 成員是假的」這一點，觸及了本案目前最核心的法律爭議之一。這不僅是受害者的擔憂，也是美國司法部（DOJ）與破產受託人（Luc Despins）在法庭上多次暗示或明示的觀點。\n\n如果這些成員被證實是「虛假」的，資產分配的格局將發生翻天覆地的變化。以下是根據法庭文件對這一爭議的深度解析：\n\n1. 「虛假成員」爭議的來源\n在最近的法律攻防中，美國政府和破產受託人對這 5,200 名申索人的真實性提出了質疑，主要理由包括：\n\n身分驗證（KYC）疑雲：政府懷疑許多申索帳號是由少數人控制的「殭屍帳號」或「空殼實體」，目的是為了在資產拍賣和分配中佔據多數席位。\n\n資金來源不明：部分申索人的投資款項被質疑並非「個人血汗錢」，而是從郭文貴控制的其他實體中「左手轉右手」洗出來的資金。\n\n集體行動的嫌疑：這 5,200 人由同一組律師代表，且提交的訴求高度一致。政府認為這更像是一場有組織的「法律阻礙行動」，旨在保護郭文貴隱匿的資產不被收歸國庫。\n\n2. 如果這 5,200 人是「假的」，對你有什麼影響？\n這其實是一個雙刃劍：\n\n好消息（如果你是真實受害者）： 如果法院認定這 5,200 人（或其中大部分）是虛假申索人，那麼 853(n) 第三方申索的資金池將會縮小。這意味著原本會被這些「假成員」分走的錢，會重新回到政府的 Petition for Remission（寬免程序） 資金池中。\n\n結果：真實受害者的獲賠比例會顯著提高（可能從你擔心的 5% 升回 30%-40% 甚至更高）。\n\n壞消息（如果你在這些成員名單中）： 如果法院認定申索存在欺詐，這些人的申索會被直接駁回，甚至可能面臨法律追究。\n\n3. 目前的法庭現狀 (截至 2026 年 2 月)\nTorres 法官的謹慎：法官目前並沒有直接判定這 5,200 人全是假的，但她已經下令要求政府提交詳細說明，釐清 853(n) 申索與 Remission 程序之間如何區分。\n\n政府的審查：司法部正在利用大數據分析這些申索人的 IP 地址、資金路徑和身分信息。\n\n4. 關鍵結論：誰在分錢？\n目前的局勢是三方角力：\n\n政府 (DOJ)：想把錢全部收走，再通過 Remission 分給他們認為「真實」的受害者。\n\nHimalaya 代表律師 (5,200人)：試圖通過 853(n) 程序直接拿走 2 億多美元的儲備金，主張這是成員的私人財產而非郭的資產。\n\n真實的零散受害者：最擔心被上述兩者（尤其是可能的虛假申索人）掏空資金池。\n\n總結： > 官方目前尚未定論這 5,200 人是假的，但**「虛假申索」確實是政府用來反擊 853(n) 申索的主要理由**。如果政府贏了這場辯論，這筆錢反而更有可能留在 Remission 池中給真正的受害者分。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2839cbb83dc9527147a3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q68a31e8c0a5043b0d5d0","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":648,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-07T03:27:47.413Z","text":"按这个思路\n最后 这喜交所5200 什么都捞不到\n做了虚假申请 又不是受害者\n这不就是 青 小地鼠 要填表的目的嘛","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q68a31e8c0a5043b0d5d0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q9dee5813e15701d70128","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":649,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-07T03:31:53.278Z","text":"DOJ全没收 然后给 破产案Luc 和刑事案受害人\n钱怎么分 DOJ说了算 \n破产案债权人PAG 美国小李 还是优先债权人 13亿里分大头 怕还不够\n刑事案 受害者 只是普通债权人 分渣渣","edited":false,"reply_to":"q68a31e8c0a5043b0d5d0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9dee5813e15701d70128","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q68a31e8c0a5043b0d5d0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qfc7d7f4e5b18c53e514d","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":650,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-07T03:36:45.222Z","text":"總結\nLuc Despins 絕對不是和你（普通受害者）同一個級別。 他代表的是一個法律實體（破產財團），他的目標是獲取資產控制權。在法律實務中，受託人往往會主張自己有比普通受害者更優先的資產處置權，因為他要先清償財團的行政開支。\n\n這也是為什麼很多受害者（包括你提到的那些質疑者）對 Luc Despins 感到不滿的原因——大家擔心錢在分給受害者之前，就先被受託人的高昂律師費磨掉了一大半。\n\n目前情況： 2026 年初的文件顯示，政府與 Luc Despins 仍在就誰來主導資產分配進行博弈。對於零散受害者來說，政府（DOJ）主導的 Remission 程序通常比進入破產程序能拿回更多的比例，因為少了受託人的中間抽成。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfc7d7f4e5b18c53e514d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q69e5cab92fb0b9812a0a","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":651,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-07T03:37:28.435Z","text":"所以 刑事案受害人 想要钱 但只拿得到渣渣","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q69e5cab92fb0b9812a0a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q280075504069e383ab88","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":652,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-07T03:38:58.824Z","text":"钱是肯定要不回来的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q280075504069e383ab88","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q02cecf3791475cac62b8","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":653,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-07T03:39:19.530Z","text":"破产案债权人 你看看名单 他们目的不单纯是钱 是要判郭 或者把郭耗死 甚至钱要不要 无所谓","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q02cecf3791475cac62b8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qcf6857c7642a1c3835a7","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":654,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-07T03:43:34.958Z","text":"為什麼 DOJ 贏對受害者更有利？\n「律師費」的黑洞：在郭文貴這樣複雜的案件中，破產受託人的律師費可能高達數千萬甚至上億美元。如果錢進入 Remission 池，這筆龐大的開支就被省下來了，直接轉化為受害者的賠償金。\n\n避免「二次剝削」：在破產程序中，大債權人（如銀行或大公司）通常擁有更強的法律團隊來爭奪優先權。而 DOJ 的 Remission 程序宗旨就是「補償受害者」，對零散的小額投資者相對公平。\n\nMadoff 案的先例：\n\n在歷史上最大的麥道夫（Madoff）詐騙案中，DOJ 的 Madoff Victim Fund (MVF) 通過 Remission 程序，最終讓受害者的損失追回率達到了驚人的 93.71%。\n\n相比之下，許多純粹的破產案受害者最後只能拿到不到 10%。\n\n但「最好的結果」依然有隱憂\n即便 DOJ 贏了，受害者仍面臨兩個巨大的威脅：\n\n資產被 853(n) 攔截：如果那些所謂的「5,200 名成員」成功通過 853(n) 程序證明錢不是郭文貴的，那麼 DOJ 也拿不走這些錢，Remission 資金池依然會空空如也。\n\n漫長的等待：根據最新動態，郭文貴的宣判日已延期至 2026 年 4 月 13 日。在正式宣判並完成所有沒收令之前，Remission 程序無法正式開始大規模發錢。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf6857c7642a1c3835a7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qd507e4d86e34615c1adc","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":655,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-02-07T03:44:51.844Z","text":"[删节：成员身份] 是853N 和司法部退款都申请了","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd507e4d86e34615c1adc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q9118415683447007bb65","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":656,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T03:45:08.395Z","text":"如果法庭判定洗脚所6000人是共谋犯组织，全部作废，郭的受害人数就会减少。检方肯定是不乐意的。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2839cbb83dc9527147a3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9118415683447007bb65","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2839cbb83dc9527147a3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q7e6ea7f7da6414696529","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":657,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T03:45:30.198Z","text":"所以他853n估计是没戏了？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd507e4d86e34615c1adc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7e6ea7f7da6414696529","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd507e4d86e34615c1adc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qd4e39a7a30353b0e6047","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":658,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-07T03:45:48.522Z","text":"都申請了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd507e4d86e34615c1adc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd4e39a7a30353b0e6047","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd507e4d86e34615c1adc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q74185fca967323b7caf0","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":659,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-07T03:46:17.609Z","text":"不知道有沒有戲，但是我看目前情況，走remission的可能性不小","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7e6ea7f7da6414696529","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q74185fca967323b7caf0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7e6ea7f7da6414696529","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q788b3424fa555a4377ba","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":660,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T03:46:44.417Z","text":"所以说，你现在分析的是正常案件的情况","edited":false,"reply_to":"q74185fca967323b7caf0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q788b3424fa555a4377ba","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q74185fca967323b7caf0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q39404f92e2a6dd36fe81","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":661,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T03:46:52.559Z","text":"郭这个案子不正常","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q39404f92e2a6dd36fe81","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q91a25183fd3c3ad9a4ca","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":662,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-02-07T03:46:52.610Z","text":"一起翻案吧，你还能拿回钱，否则老郭坐牢1万年，你也拿不回多少","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q91a25183fd3c3ad9a4ca","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q6ba12145a2a927828535","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":663,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-07T03:46:53.001Z","text":"因爲那5200人的搗亂讓853n很難走，所以走remission很大可能","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6ba12145a2a927828535","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q92bfc7f5aaf2ee33c3f7","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":664,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T03:47:07.460Z","text":"这个案件，最后分钱，也不会正常","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q92bfc7f5aaf2ee33c3f7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q269a398c6913c5e1f00d","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":665,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-07T03:47:25.071Z","text":"[删节：成员身份]就是这个目的","edited":true,"reply_to":"q6ba12145a2a927828535","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q269a398c6913c5e1f00d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6ba12145a2a927828535","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q86b63803ed143027207f","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":666,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-07T03:48:05.078Z","text":"基本上是把那5200人坑死了，但是資金池會大很多","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q86b63803ed143027207f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q0e7a06cacfcad5d7f344","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":667,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-07T03:48:18.330Z","text":"数字银行那300的853n 可能也要走remission","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0e7a06cacfcad5d7f344","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q7128b089ceb2bfec69da","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":668,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-07T03:48:32.446Z","text":"全都是remission","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7128b089ceb2bfec69da","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q5900554115f57fb7aed2","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":669,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-07T03:48:40.133Z","text":"因为853n 法官可以拒绝","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5900554115f57fb7aed2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qd31fec1eb0b1f1073011","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":670,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T03:48:48.837Z","text":"那5200人是共谋犯组织的，最后他们估计一分钱也拿不到","edited":false,"reply_to":"q86b63803ed143027207f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd31fec1eb0b1f1073011","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q86b63803ed143027207f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q120fc67bf4127609c4a4","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":671,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-07T03:48:51.703Z","text":"[删节：成员身份]填表到1w 目的就是没收的资金池\n最后拿给Luc","edited":true,"reply_to":"q86b63803ed143027207f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q120fc67bf4127609c4a4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q86b63803ed143027207f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qba79176c90ebaae914dd","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":672,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T03:49:30.054Z","text":"那5200人拿不到钱不等于其他人能拿到钱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qba79176c90ebaae914dd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qdb105405a9cdb5f0fe93","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":673,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-07T03:49:34.633Z","text":"5200是通過[删节：成员身份]走的853n，而且他們通過[删节：成员身份]走853i也沒用啊，他們會被認爲是共犯而且盜款","edited":true,"reply_to":"q7128b089ceb2bfec69da","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdb105405a9cdb5f0fe93","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7128b089ceb2bfec69da","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q0d0738ee7d6a71a7c91a","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":674,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-07T03:50:14.817Z","text":"不一樣，那5200個會被認爲是搗亂的，反而獨立的受害人會有更高的機率拿到錢","edited":false,"reply_to":"qba79176c90ebaae914dd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0d0738ee7d6a71a7c91a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qba79176c90ebaae914dd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qefafa01d24dbbde1a441","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":675,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-02-07T03:50:22.077Z","text":"对啊，都去通过司法部给受害人退款，定罪也容易，钱还可以尽量少分给受害人，完美","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qefafa01d24dbbde1a441","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q2f8eea84d9cfe17534f5","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":676,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-07T03:50:45.459Z","text":"排破产案后面 钱早分没了 或者被Luc花没了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0d0738ee7d6a71a7c91a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2f8eea84d9cfe17534f5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0d0738ee7d6a71a7c91a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qd173bbd3f82541d5da52","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":677,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-02-07T03:50:54.851Z","text":"反正就是老郭有罪，赶紧定罪，分钱，对吧？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd173bbd3f82541d5da52","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q5238a80e2711161ddef8","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":678,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T03:51:23.510Z","text":"这案子走不到分钱那步","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5238a80e2711161ddef8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qbc16adc9e25feec2c9a8","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":679,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-07T03:51:25.480Z","text":"不會得，給doj remission，luc破慘案是拿不到他們想得到的那麼多的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2f8eea84d9cfe17534f5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbc16adc9e25feec2c9a8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2f8eea84d9cfe17534f5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q854b4fa318f9cdf1ab10","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":680,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T03:52:03.792Z","text":"退一步讲，假设这案子真的走到分钱那步，你敢要这钱吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q854b4fa318f9cdf1ab10","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qbcb4d4237f6cd6771d9b","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":681,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-07T03:52:04.911Z","text":"luc破產案最多和doj協商","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbcb4d4237f6cd6771d9b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q03b1b4707da3580d45c1","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":682,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-02-07T03:52:05.286Z","text":"一门心思分钱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q03b1b4707da3580d45c1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qc29d7edf5ba2f7098b02","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":683,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-07T03:52:06.001Z","text":"那不就完了 盖尔那6000 分个鸟","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbc16adc9e25feec2c9a8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc29d7edf5ba2f7098b02","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbc16adc9e25feec2c9a8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qf211b83c85b390c328c4","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":684,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T03:52:40.265Z","text":"如果是我，就算doj答应给我钱，我都不敢要","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf211b83c85b390c328c4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q5fc41a3e3675037c5ea2","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":685,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-07T03:52:40.709Z","text":"他們自己傻跑去和共犯湊一堆","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc29d7edf5ba2f7098b02","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5fc41a3e3675037c5ea2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc29d7edf5ba2f7098b02","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q98fec469551232782d13","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":686,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T03:52:48.244Z","text":"这案子就不正常","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q98fec469551232782d13","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qa2d5551b477dc1ea1d1b","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":687,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T03:52:55.379Z","text":"钱能干净吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa2d5551b477dc1ea1d1b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qbc0a8c041c479d846aa0","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":688,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-07T03:53:41.354Z","text":"这叫 拿捏你的心理 利用它 达到他们的目的\n其实最终 你一无所有","edited":false,"reply_to":"q03b1b4707da3580d45c1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbc0a8c041c479d846aa0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q03b1b4707da3580d45c1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q42f3355abab0116499f4","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":689,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T03:53:51.339Z","text":"这案子不搞清楚，谁敢拿钱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q42f3355abab0116499f4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q97ac92f7656700ce7c5c","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":690,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-02-07T03:54:12.490Z","text":"所以拿不拿回钱、能拿多少是次要的，让老郭坐牢1万年是主要的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q97ac92f7656700ce7c5c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q74b1443e7ecbaa0dae78","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":691,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-07T03:54:23.645Z","text":"你說的這個很大概率的，853n的都要不了，錢和包袱直接丟給DOJ去走remission，讓DOJ自己去頭疼，法院直接脫身","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7ff515af3220e2741899","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q74b1443e7ecbaa0dae78","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q4e2f418e498ba35be6d0","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":692,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-07T03:55:14.160Z","text":"头痛好啊 DOJ慢慢审怎么分 \n郭再关500年 ［用户 xin***］","edited":true,"reply_to":"q74b1443e7ecbaa0dae78","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4e2f418e498ba35be6d0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q74b1443e7ecbaa0dae78","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qcb59d1ff63ff0df10697","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":693,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-07T03:55:37.133Z","text":"就是这个意思 瑞恩早就说了 司法义务用行政外包","edited":false,"reply_to":"q74b1443e7ecbaa0dae78","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcb59d1ff63ff0df10697","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q74b1443e7ecbaa0dae78","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q8ac2c6da2f112383d768","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":694,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-07T03:58:23.454Z","text":"是的，這種情況就是和蓋爾聯盟那所謂5200個直接被打成搗亂的，然後luc破產法庭和DOJ協商拿走一部分，然後分給獨立申請的remission的受害者，然後郭順便牢底坐穿，剩下的錢就DOJ自己留着咯","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcb59d1ff63ff0df10697","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ac2c6da2f112383d768","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcb59d1ff63ff0df10697","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q1f5a245ebb933dc21cf2","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":695,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-07T03:58:48.487Z","text":"独立受害者 分渣渣","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8ac2c6da2f112383d768","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1f5a245ebb933dc21cf2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ac2c6da2f112383d768","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q769b0f0413145f7a28a8","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":696,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-07T03:59:22.242Z","text":"這裏說的獨立受害者不是pro se那些，說的是remission的並且符合資格的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1f5a245ebb933dc21cf2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q769b0f0413145f7a28a8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1f5a245ebb933dc21cf2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q2afd752937cfdd06e022","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":697,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-07T03:59:57.376Z","text":"明白 比如 [删节：隐私信息]","edited":true,"reply_to":"q769b0f0413145f7a28a8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2afd752937cfdd06e022","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q769b0f0413145f7a28a8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qf880ebd6ea6e14f05b4c","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":698,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-07T04:00:17.914Z","text":"你是盖尔观察者？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2afd752937cfdd06e022","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf880ebd6ea6e14f05b4c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2afd752937cfdd06e022","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q85de8a8294bf3b045967","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":699,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-07T04:02:51.370Z","text":"有道理，到時候判完再上傳之前的，然後說一句853都滾吧，然後直接把鍋和錢都丟給DOJ去玩","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf9ef6757a3f32efcb9c7","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q85de8a8294bf3b045967","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q5f1e3d443af731eff96b","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":700,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-02-07T04:03:07.415Z","text":"不把luc和南区检方干赢，一分钱都拿不到。现在的态势，在南区干不赢，在二巡要量刑后才有可能干赢，谈分钱，还早得很。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f1e3d443af731eff96b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qfb33f87ac650754967be","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":701,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-07T04:03:19.007Z","text":"然後之前哪怕程序不合法也沒關係了，反正都是DOJ的事了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfb33f87ac650754967be","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q98d07bcaf9967509aabd","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":702,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-07T04:04:04.618Z","text":"干個蛋，誰和DOJ和luc還有蓋爾干？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5f1e3d443af731eff96b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q98d07bcaf9967509aabd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f1e3d443af731eff96b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qe46b9136f458e65204a2","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":703,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-07T04:04:15.637Z","text":"我們連桌都上不了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe46b9136f458e65204a2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q76295f63a7ca6d115e05","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":704,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-02-07T04:04:27.898Z","text":"很多自诉人就是在干这个事情。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q98d07bcaf9967509aabd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q76295f63a7ca6d115e05","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q98d07bcaf9967509aabd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q4a30b65bbb98e89ddc12","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":705,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-07T04:04:37.130Z","text":"現在是DOJ，luc還有蓋爾3方大戰","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4a30b65bbb98e89ddc12","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qd4d2d9e13eb277a3b83a","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":706,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-07T04:04:57.121Z","text":"我們連文件上傳都不在自己手上，對法庭有個蛋的作用","edited":false,"reply_to":"q76295f63a7ca6d115e05","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd4d2d9e13eb277a3b83a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q76295f63a7ca6d115e05","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q1e9f0629030ed1efeffe","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":707,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-02-07T04:05:43.830Z","text":"所以就得上二巡，二巡不行上最高法，至少得尽一份人事。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd4d2d9e13eb277a3b83a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1e9f0629030ed1efeffe","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd4d2d9e13eb277a3b83a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qee9b6701537e78845084","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":708,"speak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CHYI說的那樣直接把853n都踢出去，把鍋丟給DOJ，然後DOJ和luc去扯皮，法院就脫身了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q07723ca063fd5e3ca8c9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qada78eddfc66469bdfc9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q07723ca063fd5e3ca8c9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q1a52fbddf1a0bded98b2","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":713,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-07T04:08:44.850Z","text":"搗亂的其實就是5200個人，就是搗亂的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8ba1cccfc2adb605cd90","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1a52fbddf1a0bded98b2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qb1c87ea6c52c1ca5c1b0","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":714,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-07T04:09:06.016Z","text":"不是 这5200可有可无 已经被利用完了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1a52fbddf1a0bded98b2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb1c87ea6c52c1ca5c1b0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1a52fbddf1a0bded98b2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qfa1c425ce4ce04c67221","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":715,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-07T04:09:58.893Z","text":"你想想之前chunk chyi想搗亂都不然他上桌，直接不讓他上傳文件，蓋爾和5200隨便上傳文件","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfa1c425ce4ce04c67221","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qb5366f8bf2d1efa50cfd","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":716,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-07T04:10:35.421Z","text":"5200個人不搗亂怎麼定性，怎麼甩鍋給DOJ走remission，然後直接定罪郭","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb5366f8bf2d1efa50cfd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qfa4697ae390316cdf0c6","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":717,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-07T04:11:23.349Z","text":"填表以后 5200的使命就完成了\n怎么用 法官 盖尔 检方 打配合","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb5366f8bf2d1efa50cfd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfa4697ae390316cdf0c6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb5366f8bf2d1efa50cfd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q156768d5ad71d33efde4","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":718,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-07T04:11:35.109Z","text":"我和你們不一樣，我對郭被判無所謂","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2d37d3cf4c754e22e2b0","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q156768d5ad71d33efde4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q82ad14f32ee08c72ce10","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":719,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-02-07T04:12:04.211Z","text":"Vash 应该没去法庭捣乱，而是来这里捣乱。😂","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2d37d3cf4c754e22e2b0","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q82ad14f32ee08c72ce10","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q14de42e58263c387d56e","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":720,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-07T04:12:54.184Z","text":"是的，就像chunk chyi說的，目的都是爲了給郭判，都在演戲","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfa4697ae390316cdf0c6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q14de42e58263c387d56e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfa4697ae390316cdf0c6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qf94a08272460ca7e9cac","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":721,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T04:13:23.077Z","text":"法官说的853i和853n混淆的就是盖尔吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8ba1cccfc2adb605cd90","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf94a08272460ca7e9cac","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q7bac70838e4c69fb0c1e","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":722,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-07T04:13:30.305Z","text":"上任法官同意卖Mahwah 是他们的污点 没法遮掩 所以必须要给郭定罪和量刑","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1983afdb0409501820f7","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7bac70838e4c69fb0c1e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q63b199b2a0001ef46dec","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":723,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T04:13:49.814Z","text":"自诉人有853i和853n一起用的吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q63b199b2a0001ef46dec","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q55ea031a223a5c6f666c","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":724,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T04:14:17.693Z","text":"853n和853i同时用的不就是盖尔吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q55ea031a223a5c6f666c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q3aba322a2e0eddad4bc3","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":725,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-02-07T04:14:25.362Z","text":"应该都是853n","edited":false,"reply_to":"q63b199b2a0001ef46dec","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3aba322a2e0eddad4bc3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q63b199b2a0001ef46dec","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q919d00c34f973592f2d9","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":726,"speaker":"gun***","date":"2026-02-07T04:14:29.534Z","text":"拖的時間越長，程序合法性越崩壞，這案子延期其實已經違憲了第六第八法案","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa24d40f2bba6b78cea2d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q919d00c34f973592f2d9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa24d40f2bba6b78cea2d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q5e13c8714a736239252d","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":727,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T04:14:38.465Z","text":"所以混淆的就是盖尔啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5e13c8714a736239252d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qb234f8f833397108cd08","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":728,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-07T04:14:47.857Z","text":"反正，蓋爾，luc，doj和南區法院都是想郭牢底坐穿的。而且他們也不想這個案件脫下去了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb234f8f833397108cd08","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q824e19022c196bf19e6d","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":729,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-07T04:15:07.083Z","text":"是的越拖這個案件越奇葩，越奇怪","edited":false,"reply_to":"q919d00c34f973592f2d9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q824e19022c196bf19e6d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q919d00c34f973592f2d9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q648d81e18994cad7a539","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":730,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T04:15:42.384Z","text":"我还是认为，这个案子走不到分钱那步","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q648d81e18994cad7a539","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q5452477efd3fb47b3771","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":731,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-02-07T04:15:52.837Z","text":"但是检方的反驳是郭要求延期的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q919d00c34f973592f2d9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5452477efd3fb47b3771","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q919d00c34f973592f2d9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q16e20c0cb8e745985606","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":732,"speaker":"gun***","date":"2026-02-07T04:15:57.158Z","text":"判，也不能判，拖，也不能拖，混沌疊加太","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb234f8f833397108cd08","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q16e20c0cb8e745985606","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb234f8f833397108cd08","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q35c2ee483f645e7fee29","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":733,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T04:16:00.783Z","text":"谁敢分钱，谁倒霉","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q35c2ee483f645e7fee29","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q6298a5296d76871f68ed","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":734,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-07T04:16:02.338Z","text":"分錢就不在案子里，那是DOJ的任務","edited":false,"reply_to":"q648d81e18994cad7a539","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6298a5296d76871f68ed","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q648d81e18994cad7a539","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q85db4932a2d2934dcc40","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":735,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T04:16:07.350Z","text":"也没人敢拿钱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q85db4932a2d2934dcc40","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q097cf62d8d885d7f193c","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":736,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-07T04:16:11.983Z","text":"瑞恩要出一个惊天的文件 这个文件出了 还分个鸡吧的钱啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"q648d81e18994cad7a539","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q097cf62d8d885d7f193c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q648d81e18994cad7a539","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q36c8fb8cade614995a22","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":737,"speaker":"gun***","date":"2026-02-07T04:16:21.101Z","text":"哪怕被告要求也違憲","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5452477efd3fb47b3771","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q36c8fb8cade614995a22","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5452477efd3fb47b3771","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q99304eda5dd388316c53","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":738,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-02-07T04:16:35.270Z","text":"vash","edited":false,"reply_to":"q63b199b2a0001ef46dec","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q99304eda5dd388316c53","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q63b199b2a0001ef46dec","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qf94ccdc19af10a6f9bbd","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":739,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-07T04:16:41.524Z","text":"郭 要逼Luc进场","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5452477efd3fb47b3771","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf94ccdc19af10a6f9bbd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5452477efd3fb47b3771","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qeae5f908585e2dc466db","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":740,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-02-07T04:16:44.599Z","text":"🈶案例吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"q36c8fb8cade614995a22","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeae5f908585e2dc466db","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q36c8fb8cade614995a22","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q06609e4f25523113c10a","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":741,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-07T04:16:53.244Z","text":"我沒走853i","edited":false,"reply_to":"q99304eda5dd388316c53","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q06609e4f25523113c10a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q99304eda5dd388316c53","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q46340630de80a7a35e10","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":742,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-07T04:17:12.706Z","text":"853n CRVA？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q06609e4f25523113c10a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q46340630de80a7a35e10","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q06609e4f25523113c10a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q1432e409f4507710d303","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":743,"speaker":"gun***","date":"2026-02-07T04:17:32.536Z","text":"•  最高法院判例（Barker v. Wingo 1972, Doggett v. United States 1992）：如果羈押時間過長 + 政府故意拖延 + 被告主張權利 + 被告受損（精神、經濟、辯護能力），法院必須考慮釋放，甚至撤銷指控。
→ 郭被捕於2023年3月15日，到現在2026年2月已經近3年。即使算上疫情、證據複雜、律師更換等“合理延期”，也早已超過速審法和憲法底線。\n\n1. 美國憲法與聯邦法律的鐵線\n•  第八修正案（Eighth Amendment）：禁止過度保釋和殘酷與不尋常的懲罰。長期羈押如果沒有充分理由，會被視為“懲罰性羈押”（punitive detention），違憲。\n•  第六修正案（Speedy Trial Clause）：被告有權在合理時間內接受快速審判。聯邦速審法（Speedy Trial Act, 18 U.S.C. § 3161）規定：起訴後70天內必須開庭審判（有例外，但需法院批准延期，且延期理由必須記錄在案）。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qeae5f908585e2dc466db","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1432e409f4507710d303","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeae5f908585e2dc466db","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qa718ff878542d22a5211","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":744,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-07T04:17:34.125Z","text":"我的remission可不是走的法庭的，是按照公告上直接給的檢查官的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa718ff878542d22a5211","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q469c1e8813e3528fa900","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":745,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-02-07T04:17:45.676Z","text":"期待。但是二巡又超期了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q097cf62d8d885d7f193c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q469c1e8813e3528fa900","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q097cf62d8d885d7f193c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qb59b9453b992fb55ec0f","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":746,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-07T04:17:57.506Z","text":"853n有，但是還沒被上傳，我是郵寄過去的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q46340630de80a7a35e10","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb59b9453b992fb55ec0f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q46340630de80a7a35e10","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q1a007bedc194cbc49bdd","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":747,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T04:18:25.702Z","text":"853i就是remission","edited":false,"reply_to":"q06609e4f25523113c10a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1a007bedc194cbc49bdd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q06609e4f25523113c10a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q91ae74c546309d2a46a4","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":748,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-07T04:18:32.993Z","text":"是青给的表格吗？\n里面内容是篡改了的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb59b9453b992fb55ec0f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q91ae74c546309d2a46a4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb59b9453b992fb55ec0f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q0169b9d7644be987967a","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":749,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-07T04:18:47.650Z","text":"不是，我都是自己提交的，我都不看聯盟那邊的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q91ae74c546309d2a46a4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0169b9d7644be987967a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q91ae74c546309d2a46a4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q10e007f0f2b3a1c06861","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":750,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-07T04:19:42.963Z","text":"聯盟那邊干的就是想把更多受害者提出資金池","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q10e007f0f2b3a1c06861","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q1ce9dce7656cd4fb8513","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":751,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-02-07T04:19:43.682Z","text":"还是没有回答如何被告要求延期 也尾宪的案例","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1432e409f4507710d303","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1ce9dce7656cd4fb8513","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1432e409f4507710d303","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q5a012328cd8ffa1e14ca","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":752,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-07T04:20:00.775Z","text":"这不一直在延期吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1432e409f4507710d303","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5a012328cd8ffa1e14ca","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1432e409f4507710d303","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q5f8da6bf18813f37410e","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":753,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T04:20:01.803Z","text":"他不是remission和853n，一起申请了吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"q46340630de80a7a35e10","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f8da6bf18813f37410e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q46340630de80a7a35e10","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qbe4c34c65ec5955b8394","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":754,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-07T04:20:18.147Z","text":"聯盟那邊干的就是想把更多受害者踢出資金池，可能蓋爾干的也是這種傾向。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbe4c34c65ec5955b8394","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qaec2cc58b6e3b40506c9","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":755,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T04:20:23.470Z","text":"Remission就是853i","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaec2cc58b6e3b40506c9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qcad12b886514f8ffa71a","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":756,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T04:20:35.417Z","text":"所以vash和盖尔不是一样吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcad12b886514f8ffa71a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qa5fcb53e47f877a1766d","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":757,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-07T04:21:03.049Z","text":"盖尔那是忽悠","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcad12b886514f8ffa71a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa5fcb53e47f877a1766d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcad12b886514f8ffa71a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q6d913dc55e337d5fb43d","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":758,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-07T04:21:23.513Z","text":"853n B 也可以petition for remission","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6d913dc55e337d5fb43d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q5e34c515ff20c7d32aaa","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":759,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-02-07T04:21:29.419Z","text":"所以哪位大咖可以写个推了 警告这些人的目的不纯","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbe4c34c65ec5955b8394","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5e34c515ff20c7d32aaa","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbe4c34c65ec5955b8394","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q3a4258a3bb26a5de7a25","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":760,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T04:21:34.008Z","text":"Cvra不是853i, cvra是程序性的，不一定是要钱的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q46340630de80a7a35e10","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3a4258a3bb26a5de7a25","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q46340630de80a7a35e10","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q69d78152b06e6b0b25e7","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":761,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T04:21:55.729Z","text":"853n b不是remission","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6d913dc55e337d5fb43d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q69d78152b06e6b0b25e7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6d913dc55e337d5fb43d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q1e07816792684bdf1755","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":762,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-07T04:22:05.891Z","text":"不是，第一我是直接官方的petition for remission表格是寄給檢查官，853n的ancillary那個我是寄給法院的，和蓋爾不一樣","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcad12b886514f8ffa71a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1e07816792684bdf1755","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcad12b886514f8ffa71a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q96eadd44b2b18b734f4d","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":763,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T04:22:42.046Z","text":"Remission就是853i，","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1e07816792684bdf1755","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q96eadd44b2b18b734f4d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1e07816792684bdf1755","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qca0ec4a73f8a6c8a3a25","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":764,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T04:23:06.435Z","text":"这两个是一回事儿, 都是给检方（司法部）的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qca0ec4a73f8a6c8a3a25","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q23bec994e8282a829237","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":765,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-07T04:23:17.348Z","text":"問題是誰知道蓋爾在他準備的853i裏面搞了什麼","edited":false,"reply_to":"q96eadd44b2b18b734f4d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q23bec994e8282a829237","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q96eadd44b2b18b734f4d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q9b637d9109b926e3aca7","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":766,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T04:23:31.606Z","text":"没搞什么啊，就是纯粹要钱","edited":false,"reply_to":"q23bec994e8282a829237","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9b637d9109b926e3aca7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q23bec994e8282a829237","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q737640e5325cdf972342","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":767,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T04:24:12.602Z","text":"他用853i向司法部要钱，就等于petition for remission，所以他和你是一样的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q737640e5325cdf972342","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q6583258e80effe605395","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":768,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-07T04:24:36.272Z","text":"問題remission是你要認爲你是受害者，你被騙了，然後蓋爾也帶領那5200也寫cvra說他們沒被騙","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6583258e80effe605395","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q3b59ea731e58b15ab3a5","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":769,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T04:24:53.435Z","text":"对啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6583258e80effe605395","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3b59ea731e58b15ab3a5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6583258e80effe605395","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qacd06ee48cf904e1eb19","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":770,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T04:25:10.109Z","text":"这就是他矛盾的地方","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qacd06ee48cf904e1eb19","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q7d863cf7fe1c8ff95654","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":771,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-07T04:25:10.452Z","text":"這在doj眼里就是搗亂的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3b59ea731e58b15ab3a5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7d863cf7fe1c8ff95654","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3b59ea731e58b15ab3a5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q4dd06143743541ae7bec","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":772,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-02-07T04:25:44.923Z","text":"其实 在做自诉的时候，模版中明确了853n, 用不着指853n A B， 原因：自诉模版里有明确点 几点-合法资产 投了合法企业 投的时候不知道任何犯罪行为 钱没有用在犯罪上， 有证据表明自己是资产拥有者","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6d913dc55e337d5fb43d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4dd06143743541ae7bec","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6d913dc55e337d5fb43d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qf76b3079d29b98bb649b","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":773,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T04:25:49.054Z","text":"但是他cvra里还多次提到innocent victim","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7d863cf7fe1c8ff95654","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf76b3079d29b98bb649b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7d863cf7fe1c8ff95654","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q036fc13b6e83cabc7c6c","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":774,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T04:26:09.829Z","text":"所以他在cvra里就已经矛盾了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q036fc13b6e83cabc7c6c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q027c6750825f92153c58","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":775,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-07T04:26:27.059Z","text":"是的，所以我說，蓋爾的目的就是搗亂，這樣DOJ就可以找到理由審查那5200的remission","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf76b3079d29b98bb649b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q027c6750825f92153c58","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf76b3079d29b98bb649b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q28847116803e8a1f2282","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":776,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T04:27:03.093Z","text":"853n a 和b都是细节，无所谓，反正都是853n","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4dd06143743541ae7bec","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q28847116803e8a1f2282","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4dd06143743541ae7bec","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qbb0679e8db718ec4adc4","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":777,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T04:27:12.233Z","text":"和remission两码事","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbb0679e8db718ec4adc4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qe520f92e8f5c27816ef7","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":778,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-07T04:27:36.915Z","text":"而且大家都知道那5200是大部分都是幽靈，另外不是申請了remission就是可以","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe520f92e8f5c27816ef7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qa4c4e999fac0a3f2930f","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":779,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T04:28:17.067Z","text":"但是如果你承认自己是受害者，又去申请853n， 这不也是“捣乱”吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"q027c6750825f92153c58","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa4c4e999fac0a3f2930f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q027c6750825f92153c58","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q5b08e99889f86b1d1f07","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":780,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T04:28:37.279Z","text":"你都是受害者了，为什么不去remission","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5b08e99889f86b1d1f07","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q3213b15ad1b1978fc56d","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":781,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-02-07T04:28:54.043Z","text":"可以传唤盖儿： 天收到5300x50美元 一个人点钱了吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe520f92e8f5c27816ef7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3213b15ad1b1978fc56d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe520f92e8f5c27816ef7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q98bbb39c2ac96b34a7c4","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":782,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-07T04:28:55.103Z","text":"受害者，可以申請853n要求，因爲主張的是你是那筆錢的owner，具體要看你裏面寫了什麼。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa4c4e999fac0a3f2930f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q98bbb39c2ac96b34a7c4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa4c4e999fac0a3f2930f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qfc498beaa032c0876114","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":783,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T04:30:31.458Z","text":"一般情况下，普通“受害人”（victims）不能以受害人身份申请 21 U.S.C. § 853(n) 程序。\n§ 853(n) 是给谁用的？\n21 U.S.C. § 853(n) 是刑事没收中的第三方权利主张程序（ancillary proceeding）。\n它适用于：\n对被没收的“特定财产”主张所有权或优先权的人；\n认为自己对该财产的权利优先于政府或优先于被告的人。\n换句话说，§853(n) 是“财产权程序”，不是“受害人陈述程序”。\n受害人为什么通常不能用 § 853(n)？\n因为普通受害人通常：\n只有“损失请求”（loss claim）；\n没有对某个具体财产的既得法律权益（vested legal interest）；\n也没有在犯罪发生时对该财产的优先权。\n单纯“被诈骗”并不自动产生对特定财产的法律所有权。\n法院普遍认为：\n仅有债权或损失请求的人（general unsecured creditor），不符合 § 853(n)(6) 的标准。\n§ 853(n)(6) 只允许两种情形：\n(A) Superior Interest（优先权）\n申请人必须证明：\n在犯罪发生时，\n自己对该财产拥有优先于被告的法律权益。\n这通常适用于：\n真正的所有权人\n资金被误扣的账户持有人\n信托受益人等\n(B) Bona Fide Purchaser（善意有偿取得人）\n申请人必须证明：\n其以合理对价取得该财产；\n不知道该财产与犯罪有关。\n那受害人该走什么路径？\n通常有三种路径：\nMVRA 强制性赔偿（restoration / restitution）\nDOJ Remission / Restoration 程序\n法院在没收后酌情分配\n但这些属于“赔偿机制”，不是 § 853(n) 的产权审理。\n例外情况\n如果某些“受害人”能够证明：\n资金仍然存在于特定账户；\n该资金在法律上属于他们；\n被告从未取得所有权；\n那么他们可能以“所有人”身份申请 853(n)，而不是以“受害人”身份。\n关键区别在于：\n是“我被诈骗了”\n还是\n“那笔钱在法律上始终属于我”\n结论\n单纯受害人身份 ≠ 自动有资格申请 §853(n)\n§853(n) 是产权争议程序，不是损失补偿程序\n只有拥有特定财产法律权益的人才能成功申请","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfc498beaa032c0876114","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q381e66eb9979acf5075a","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":784,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-07T04:30:58.832Z","text":"而且那5300個remission還有一個問題，remission按照g系列那亂七八糟的匯款賬戶的情況，這5300人有90%都是要郵寄紙的remission給doj的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3213b15ad1b1978fc56d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q381e66eb9979acf5075a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3213b15ad1b1978fc56d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q1407d178f3a5086528df","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":785,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-07T04:31:38.714Z","text":"之前我提交remission的時候打電話問了doj那邊，也把我們的賬戶情況和那邊說了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1407d178f3a5086528df","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q8643c2d1c3c99410133b","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":786,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T04:31:56.016Z","text":"盖尔都说了，他一个人代理这么多人，是减少法庭的工作量","edited":false,"reply_to":"q381e66eb9979acf5075a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8643c2d1c3c99410133b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q381e66eb9979acf5075a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q59d982375b1dade4b891","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":787,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T04:32:02.226Z","text":"法庭应该感谢他","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q59d982375b1dade4b891","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q9d6931bfb86ba54c3a6a","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":788,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T04:33:14.302Z","text":"这么说吧，正常案件，尤其是涉及数字货币的，853n 和remission (853i)一起用是可以的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9d6931bfb86ba54c3a6a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qf31d7cfff95f5bfd103b","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":789,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T04:33:32.989Z","text":"但是这个案件，这个法官，她觉得这是混淆","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf31d7cfff95f5bfd103b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q9fa77c49c4444ee94083","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":790,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T04:33:45.918Z","text":"为什么她觉得是混淆","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9fa77c49c4444ee94083","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q5cc6fa94ba53ac84ac4e","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":791,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T04:34:01.732Z","text":"因为她最讨厌的就是纠纷","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5cc6fa94ba53ac84ac4e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qf30b990dc9fbde9b5958","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":792,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T04:35:07.092Z","text":"在这个案件，检方的叙事，所有人都应该是受害者，不应该存在owner","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf30b990dc9fbde9b5958","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q87f280549296c1568a2b","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":793,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-07T04:35:28.843Z","text":"目前的法庭記錄顯示，律師並沒有為這 5,200 人提供個體化的身份驗證。這被政府視為該申索的「致命傷」。\n\n下一步預測： 預計在 2026 年 4 月郭文貴宣判前後，法官會對這 5,200 人的申索做出最終裁決。如果他們拿不出證據證明這 5,200 個人的真實存在，這筆資產將會「併入」政府的受害者賠償基金。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q87f280549296c1568a2b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qb7e8d2569d8ef708b9b8","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":794,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-07T04:35:43.802Z","text":"是的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf30b990dc9fbde9b5958","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb7e8d2569d8ef708b9b8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf30b990dc9fbde9b5958","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qdce885c4d2d28796eaa3","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":795,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T04:35:50.167Z","text":"所以混淆不是申请人造成的，是这个案子造成的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdce885c4d2d28796eaa3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q45edf18d27da375cfd85","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":796,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T04:35:57.868Z","text":"这个案子制造了混淆","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q45edf18d27da375cfd85","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"q411fd53e307e4af0afb5","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":797,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-07T04:36:07.285Z","text":"大家都搞不清楚自己的身份","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q411fd53e307e4af0afb5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qd6cdfa12c7b09be6d7b6","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":798,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-02-07T04:36:43.363Z","text":"看检方如何回应799 吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd6cdfa12c7b09be6d7b6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qddbd086f0f41d10599e1","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":799,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-07T04:37:38.777Z","text":"所以說對法庭最簡單的方式就像你上面說的“在这个案件，检方的叙事，所有人都应该是受害者，不应该存在owner”","edited":false,"reply_to":"q411fd53e307e4af0afb5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qddbd086f0f41d10599e1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q411fd53e307e4af0afb5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"},{"id":"qbd6f05d2fa77805acce9","batch_id":"batch-000076","seq":800,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-02-07T04:38:02.142Z","text":"直接丟給DOJ去折騰","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbd6f05d2fa77805acce9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000076"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000075","next_batch_id":"batch-000077"}