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不可能给你证明","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5c089afee0fc868aeacd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6b9cb90a447832de9b82","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5c089afee0fc868aeacd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q7ac4793f99cbe249fe91","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":34,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-17T00:35:43.095Z","text":"包括公族茱莉亚的钱吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7ac4793f99cbe249fe91","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q0c0b154e2cc5db88c1cd","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":35,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-17T00:36:13.556Z","text":"拱卒登记了20多万 好像没千倍 但julia夸张","edited":false,"reply_to":"q74014588c090994ef386","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0c0b154e2cc5db88c1cd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q74014588c090994ef386","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q49679355c1d71142bfe8","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":36,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-17T00:37:04.699Z","text":"公族茱莉亚是不能登记为债权人，还是登记数字有问题","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q49679355c1d71142bfe8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q605c85c3c40fcb3eee01","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":37,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-17T00:37:32.960Z","text":"拱卒和luc 在2023年一月 老郭就说 俩人在那里接头了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q49679355c1d71142bfe8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q605c85c3c40fcb3eee01","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q49679355c1d71142bfe8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"qb1c602439affc4b70e61","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":38,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-02-17T00:37:38.008Z","text":"在这些细节上要较真，那320亿里肯定有拱卒们的。并且后来luc申请让债权人匿名化也被破产法庭批准了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7ac4793f99cbe249fe91","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb1c602439affc4b70e61","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7ac4793f99cbe249fe91","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q82ff32fff258cc0cd736","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":39,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-17T00:38:09.288Z","text":"但是他们是没有资格成为郭的债权人，还是债权数字夸大","edited":false,"reply_to":"q605c85c3c40fcb3eee01","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q82ff32fff258cc0cd736","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q605c85c3c40fcb3eee01","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q0b57aad0beaeab875de3","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":40,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-17T00:38:10.109Z","text":"1: g系列不能登记为债权人 2: 拱卒 julia 登记是假的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0b57aad0beaeab875de3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"qe107336c30d60f8642f4","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":41,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-17T00:38:36.912Z","text":"既没有资格也夸大","edited":false,"reply_to":"q82ff32fff258cc0cd736","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe107336c30d60f8642f4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q82ff32fff258cc0cd736","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q94d8f9ecc63b92a5ef5d","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":42,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-17T00:38:50.969Z","text":"320亿到底怎么算出来的，包括所有g系列投资人吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb1c602439affc4b70e61","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q94d8f9ecc63b92a5ef5d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb1c602439affc4b70e61","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"qd5abff6732b4d79372a0","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":43,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-17T00:39:10.637Z","text":"是破产法庭的专题媒体报道","edited":false,"reply_to":"q94d8f9ecc63b92a5ef5d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd5abff6732b4d79372a0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q94d8f9ecc63b92a5ef5d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q3437267e778cb01505cd","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":44,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-17T00:39:16.941Z","text":"luc和曼宁通知的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3437267e778cb01505cd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"qe5fa1f53d65ca37ceb1d","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":45,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-02-17T00:39:19.858Z","text":"就是那个债权人登记表里所有的索赔金额加起来。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q94d8f9ecc63b92a5ef5d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe5fa1f53d65ca37ceb1d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q94d8f9ecc63b92a5ef5d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"qc1309492f9467e7b3452","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":46,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-17T00:39:27.091Z","text":"是的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe5fa1f53d65ca37ceb1d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc1309492f9467e7b3452","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe5fa1f53d65ca37ceb1d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q9b6bbc285d19d8f260be","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":47,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-17T00:39:44.127Z","text":"各位 我觉得这个大家只要看733和733的报告 都能搞明白","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9b6bbc285d19d8f260be","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q68ca6f030ca96cdcd647","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":48,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-17T00:40:20.296Z","text":"所有人加起来，包括公族和茱莉亚吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe5fa1f53d65ca37ceb1d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q68ca6f030ca96cdcd647","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe5fa1f53d65ca37ceb1d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"qa074957b8977100ffb22","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":49,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-02-17T00:40:25.864Z","text":"被欺诈金额属于广义债权。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0b57aad0beaeab875de3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa074957b8977100ffb22","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0b57aad0beaeab875de3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"qa349e9f072b1e1ce6518","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":50,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-17T00:40:27.923Z","text":"肯定包括啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"q68ca6f030ca96cdcd647","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa349e9f072b1e1ce6518","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q68ca6f030ca96cdcd647","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q7b848658e83a0385fb3c","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":51,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-17T00:40:29.818Z","text":"他不能选择性排除吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7b848658e83a0385fb3c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"qcd4cf373bb13885f6f2d","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":52,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-02-17T00:40:35.995Z","text":"是","edited":false,"reply_to":"q68ca6f030ca96cdcd647","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcd4cf373bb13885f6f2d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q68ca6f030ca96cdcd647","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q2a68f21cf9292be378ff","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":53,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-17T00:40:49.911Z","text":"那就是说所有g系列投资者都是虚假索赔","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2a68f21cf9292be378ff","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"qeb3086c264df12411a87","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":54,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-17T00:40:59.189Z","text":"对！","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2a68f21cf9292be378ff","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeb3086c264df12411a87","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2a68f21cf9292be378ff","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q2eaf5617efdefa8af65d","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":55,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-17T00:41:01.345Z","text":"全都是","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2eaf5617efdefa8af65d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"qcfe0296eb0943b898bfb","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":56,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-17T00:41:10.088Z","text":"如果按照老郭的要求","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcfe0296eb0943b898bfb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q9c49e4ab33e3c86a50c3","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":57,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-17T00:41:19.841Z","text":"julia 拱卒 g系列根本就没资格登记","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9c49e4ab33e3c86a50c3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q6ac21c50cd2627a945d5","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":58,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-17T00:41:20.909Z","text":"1 G系列的债权人 应该指向背后受益者 何浩然 而不是郭","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0b57aad0beaeab875de3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6ac21c50cd2627a945d5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0b57aad0beaeab875de3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q4b997eefa17ba7c0b8c3","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":59,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-17T00:41:32.817Z","text":"对","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6ac21c50cd2627a945d5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4b997eefa17ba7c0b8c3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6ac21c50cd2627a945d5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q71866f048fb000c8c4f8","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":60,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-17T00:42:04.052Z","text":"就这一条 就够了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q71866f048fb000c8c4f8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q971d329b81cbac329ebb","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":61,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-17T00:42:16.432Z","text":"不是只有gclub是何浩然吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6ac21c50cd2627a945d5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q971d329b81cbac329ebb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6ac21c50cd2627a945d5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q28d28e0c83bd04c23a4f","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":62,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-17T00:42:27.825Z","text":"其他不是于健民吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q28d28e0c83bd04c23a4f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q69e6e1977d7b4d038c88","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":63,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-17T00:42:37.363Z","text":"老郭鼓动按照luc的比例索赔 是破产案的抗辩方式","edited":false,"reply_to":"q71866f048fb000c8c4f8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q69e6e1977d7b4d038c88","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q71866f048fb000c8c4f8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"qdc98ed17e969b5a2e3bd","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":64,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-17T00:43:05.376Z","text":"各位 如果你们gclub投资损失","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdc98ed17e969b5a2e3bd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q98c7ea2cf0900cd93294","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":65,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-17T00:43:10.658Z","text":"全他妈可以去破产案介入","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q98c7ea2cf0900cd93294","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"qead27a47783a7854a47f","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":66,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-17T00:43:16.680Z","text":"问luc赔钱我操","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qead27a47783a7854a47f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"qf73616b6bb0b061c4342","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":67,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-17T00:44:15.075Z","text":"司法欺诈了还搞个屁","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf73616b6bb0b061c4342","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q6295aa9fa0181bcba936","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":68,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-17T00:45:42.294Z","text":"luc 卖mawah 其实很明显 再不卖 没机会了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6295aa9fa0181bcba936","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"qb36c79ec57a2f5d1d356","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":69,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-17T00:47:14.517Z","text":"不是说，按照老郭的要求，我是说，按照法律的逻辑，公族和茱莉亚有没有资格登记","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9c49e4ab33e3c86a50c3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb36c79ec57a2f5d1d356","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9c49e4ab33e3c86a50c3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q435d318206ede937ecf7","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":70,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2026-02-17T00:47:23.774Z","text":"拱猪是不是提起了高倍索赔，比如她对七哥milesguo高倍索赔的计算依据，具体是什么？是把90%仍未释放的投资福利币hcoin按市值最高价计算？甚至说按milesguo七哥在某些直播场合里对hcoin未来的预期价值进行计算！？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q74014588c090994ef386","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q435d318206ede937ecf7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q74014588c090994ef386","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"qb4b76c03f4684c6432a0","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":71,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-02-17T00:47:25.112Z","text":"733附件a还差一个luc反复引用但我在网络上找不到的那个禁制令文件。提出了拱卒们的债权需要核实的问题，但上诉法院不会帮你去核实，按照最有利于政府的视角，他们可以选择相信政府受托人，只有检方在其它地方的虚假陈诉和违规是定死的。如果被告不通过换律师把律师不传唤luc导致无效辩护说出来，上诉法庭会认为是你被告自己有问题怕被桶出来才不传唤，所以拱卒债权真假的问题必须也得先提出来，被告没有提，我们提出来了，但还需要钉得更死一些。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9b6bbc285d19d8f260be","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb4b76c03f4684c6432a0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9b6bbc285d19d8f260be","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"qe19cf58901b80088a1e4","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":72,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-17T00:47:42.250Z","text":"老郭肯定觉得他们没资格登记，但是按照法律，公族和茱莉亚有没有资格登记","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe19cf58901b80088a1e4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"qaf009918a67b29671567","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":73,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-02-17T00:48:02.425Z","text":"把[删节：成员身份]写进司法文件中去！","edited":true,"reply_to":"q90a317dd01eeace97b1d","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaf009918a67b29671567","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"qa4f9c2480c8733668de0","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":74,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-17T00:48:02.439Z","text":"没有资格","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb36c79ec57a2f5d1d356","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa4f9c2480c8733668de0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb36c79ec57a2f5d1d356","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"qa06b935787a51ee6a089","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":75,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-17T00:48:11.994Z","text":"没有","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe19cf58901b80088a1e4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa06b935787a51ee6a089","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe19cf58901b80088a1e4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q3cc17e47fa530cc7d346","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":76,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-17T00:48:22.653Z","text":"g系列和老郭根本没关系","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3cc17e47fa530cc7d346","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"qd5b0591c388bb4e14208","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":77,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-17T00:48:47.848Z","text":"这个问题要去施压破产庭","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb4b76c03f4684c6432a0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd5b0591c388bb4e14208","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb4b76c03f4684c6432a0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"qc0f8d387c6b3d48b5852","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":78,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-17T00:48:56.267Z","text":"不知道，他们高倍索赔的依据是什么","edited":false,"reply_to":"q435d318206ede937ecf7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com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老郭早就爆料 是拱卒和luc协同的","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q19e48b3bdc3e68231960","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q41d793f6f0880fb132dc","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":80,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-02-17T00:50:33.293Z","text":"没什么依据，就是要诈骗陷害被告。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc0f8d387c6b3d48b5852","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q41d793f6f0880fb132dc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc0f8d387c6b3d48b5852","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q89f5bc868c900d84e51b","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":81,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-17T00:50:53.796Z","text":"是按照拱卒 julia的比例来的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc0f8d387c6b3d48b5852","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q89f5bc868c900d84e51b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc0f8d387c6b3d48b5852","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q25537383f428fa4d139d","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":82,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-17T00:51:14.417Z","text":"现在是圆圈逻辑，g系列和郭没关系，但是公族茱莉亚登记以后，就有关系了？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3cc17e47fa530cc7d346","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q25537383f428fa4d139d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3cc17e47fa530cc7d346","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q7db47830c2d4d7c616d5","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":83,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-17T00:51:20.807Z","text":"对","edited":false,"reply_to":"q25537383f428fa4d139d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7db47830c2d4d7c616d5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q25537383f428fa4d139d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"qc24fe938ea8785747363","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":84,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2026-02-17T00:51:23.683Z","text":"拱猪那些应该是超级不合常理的高倍索赔，\n所以七哥才认为那些是不应该被luc登记的债权人， 是吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc0f8d387c6b3d48b5852","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc24fe938ea8785747363","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc0f8d387c6b3d48b5852","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q6d51b819992531cf60e6","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":85,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-17T00:51:24.221Z","text":"就是这样","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6d51b819992531cf60e6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"qffe894814a896513db1d","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":86,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-17T00:53:07.900Z","text":"但是债权人登记本身不能是郭和g系列有关系的证据","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qffe894814a896513db1d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"qb07486f44327e3408b3a","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":87,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-17T00:53:22.405Z","text":"至少不是完整的证据链","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb07486f44327e3408b3a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"qcf429dca1cb3910f70ad","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":88,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2026-02-17T00:53:37.692Z","text":"七哥才在视频里说既然如此，大家都应该去登记，登记索赔上亿的债务。\n因为本质是拱猪提出了远高出常理的高倍索赔？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf429dca1cb3910f70ad","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q6345ebc61b4e917b66d6","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":89,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-17T00:54:33.057Z","text":"债权人登记 刑事案用的 就是虚假索赔","edited":false,"reply_to":"qffe894814a896513db1d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6345ebc61b4e917b66d6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qffe894814a896513db1d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q7748691c19ad6d97cfbd","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":90,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-17T00:54:45.389Z","text":"是的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcf429dca1cb3910f70ad","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7748691c19ad6d97cfbd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf429dca1cb3910f70ad","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"qf150711e5befa8807561","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":91,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-17T00:55:04.472Z","text":"[删节：成员身份]至于抓人是不是债权人 现在还是不知道","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf150711e5befa8807561","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q4abf0d4d3c9733580373","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":92,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-17T00:56:38.133Z","text":"拱🐷是不是 刑事案原始报案人 不知道","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf150711e5befa8807561","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4abf0d4d3c9733580373","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf150711e5befa8807561","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q4a929822735d3789759b","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":93,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-17T00:57:41.143Z","text":"是的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4abf0d4d3c9733580373","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4a929822735d3789759b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4abf0d4d3c9733580373","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q26d95440650f80b293b3","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":94,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-17T00:57:43.699Z","text":"我猜测\n她是以G系列投资受损 是受害者 去刑事案报案的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q26d95440650f80b293b3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q0174fbfba923e7380a73","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":95,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-17T00:57:59.007Z","text":"你怎么知道？？？？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q26d95440650f80b293b3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0174fbfba923e7380a73","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q26d95440650f80b293b3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q0cc65d710dadf3299c26","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":96,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-17T00:58:08.782Z","text":"拱卒报案了？？？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0cc65d710dadf3299c26","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q3e9b6b5fce77eade307c","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":97,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-17T00:58:11.873Z","text":"我改一下 我推测的啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0174fbfba923e7380a73","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3e9b6b5fce77eade307c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0174fbfba923e7380a73","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"qd89df24e9fdb6c65b3af","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":98,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-17T00:58:18.418Z","text":"哦","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3e9b6b5fce77eade307c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd89df24e9fdb6c65b3af","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3e9b6b5fce77eade307c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q1bbfcb484ad700e5c70f","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":99,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-17T00:58:39.664Z","text":"目前刑事案原始受害者 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虚假索赔","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q38ae0202913cc2a8befd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"qa32b63bb8ee3cd86a719","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":110,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-17T01:19:07.626Z","text":"如果这个成立 那么这几项 Luc都有 而且是他比郭更早做","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa32b63bb8ee3cd86a719","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"qe3cdb407a403602c49df","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":111,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-17T01:21:57.285Z","text":"/或者这样说 容易理解\n郭学Luc 往债权人登记里掺沙子\n郭有错 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那么毒树之果 所有抓捕的证据都不能算","edited":false,"reply_to":"q38ae0202913cc2a8befd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb10a04c52d6ec730cbcb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q38ae0202913cc2a8befd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q19813127f311a4fdddde","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":115,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-17T01:45:56.407Z","text":"现在觉得陪审团就是个坑","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q19813127f311a4fdddde","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q00ecf87626c7285ad23a","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":116,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-17T01:46:10.320Z","text":"陪审团判案，判错的概率很大","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q00ecf87626c7285ad23a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q4517f16f228f57e55815","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":117,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-17T01:46:34.965Z","text":"这个案子如果不用陪审团，就让法官判，不一定是现在这个结果","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4517f16f228f57e55815","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q5e0a59ba2ca152e574e0","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":118,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-17T01:46:59.091Z","text":"我是说法官正常的情况下","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5e0a59ba2ca152e574e0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q16a09d42bdbee30e1deb","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":119,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-17T01:48:13.128Z","text":"还是那句证词 thousands of victims\n这个肯定是联盟干的 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就成了刑事案受害人","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9c7eb8c6bc8fdfdd431f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdfa0a0ee18eb12f8e454","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9c7eb8c6bc8fdfdd431f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q4304a26601d287db1aa2","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":126,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-17T02:08:31.927Z","text":"对 那时候第三方都被按着在\n或者被Geyer Govenman代表 上不去庭上\n799辩方也说了 庭审时候 几个证人 把所有投资者 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Geyer那几千人","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8eafa05b4f3877592153","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q45126baa4e6922d962a2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8eafa05b4f3877592153","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q9dbe909024106fe1e07b","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":129,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-17T02:15:36.223Z","text":"想办法做实","edited":false,"reply_to":"q45126baa4e6922d962a2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9dbe909024106fe1e07b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q45126baa4e6922d962a2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q08b6c778488e825ad972","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":130,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-02-17T02:53:48.265Z","text":"想让中共最快把蓝金黄送上门的方式，就是大力挺郭。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q08b6c778488e825ad972","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q64a5a167b92276c301ef","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":131,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-17T02:58:03.389Z","text":"你先说你想干嘛","edited":false,"reply_to":"q51b73aa41a5c1271bd9e","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64a5a167b92276c301ef","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q7346cc864a76a78cf438","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":132,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-17T03:00:12.673Z","text":"用AI解读瑞恩的文件 复制黏贴","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7346cc864a76a78cf438","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q1177e13510f0011a5393","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":133,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-17T03:14:35.642Z","text":"复制黏贴会被法官抓的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q257b981206c2385bf21e","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1177e13510f0011a5393","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q8ce6f38cedc83c689307","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":134,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-17T03:17:29.381Z","text":"你们都写好了？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ce6f38cedc83c689307","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"qe0ef6ddb8298b243450a","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":135,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-02-17T03:54:17.989Z","text":"https://youtu.be/0B9ItUSZt_U?si=JTSjl6sakgT_evR8","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe0ef6ddb8298b243450a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q0bf57e360924eac9f599","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":136,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-17T04:06:20.100Z","text":"你说这些没用 很多人不是不想写 是不会写","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe0ef6ddb8298b243450a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0bf57e360924eac9f599","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe0ef6ddb8298b243450a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q787672b68c32a62d32fb","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":137,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-17T04:53:21.884Z","text":"找到一个申请退款的怨种 投那么多钱 哈哈","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q787672b68c32a62d32fb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"qcc69d59569ce3bda278a","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":138,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-17T04:53:59.516Z","text":"这个和我们不是一路吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"q624d89cc083b548d741d","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcc69d59569ce3bda278a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q014d1b9e1ccbb9a06ee9","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":139,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-17T04:54:19.535Z","text":"好多这种","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q014d1b9e1ccbb9a06ee9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q55da18c0a63e9752bf76","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":140,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-02-17T05:12:55.405Z","text":"这个人是跟听联盟组织去搞853的？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q787672b68c32a62d32fb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q55da18c0a63e9752bf76","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q787672b68c32a62d32fb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q159f3623976589e27111","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":141,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-17T05:13:32.280Z","text":"不知道啊 我已经懵了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q159f3623976589e27111","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q65d19b3d1e62aada50e0","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":142,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-02-17T05:14:09.308Z","text":"你看看他的提交时间","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q65d19b3d1e62aada50e0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"qb0a857d05885c4db20f0","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":143,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-17T05:14:36.080Z","text":"没多久","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb0a857d05885c4db20f0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q72ea5bf5efcf3b00b6ad","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":144,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-02-17T06:58:21.510Z","text":"不需要看得懂，我把自己投资情况写给AI，Ai列出我的投资清单，然后我把群里看到的内容一起复制给AI，然AI帮我写出来，一点不难","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q72ea5bf5efcf3b00b6ad","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"qf7a6a144fe2f6b932ffc","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":145,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-02-17T06:58:42.292Z","text":"我只需要告诉AI我想说的话","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf7a6a144fe2f6b932ffc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q56ad0badeb9995800948","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":146,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-17T08:10:35.280Z","text":"这个跟现在的局面很像，但谁是那个制造矛盾的人呢？\n\nhttps://x.com/jz86574932/status/2023363730273341919?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q56ad0badeb9995800948","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q60c54b9df4b57fa5d060","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":147,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-17T08:12:10.668Z","text":"都是为了老郭出来或者说都是为了拿到钱，但却走出了截然相反的两条路，还都认为自己对，都看对方是[屏蔽词]，有时候人真的很可笑可怜","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q60c54b9df4b57fa5d060","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q344bdc706b440c06c7c6","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":148,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-17T08:12:51.810Z","text":"还能这么玩啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"q72ea5bf5efcf3b00b6ad","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q344bdc706b440c06c7c6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q72ea5bf5efcf3b00b6ad","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"qad3317589ccb31b9d3aa","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":149,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-17T08:13:43.641Z","text":"AI听的懂g系列？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q72ea5bf5efcf3b00b6ad","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qad3317589ccb31b9d3aa","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q72ea5bf5efcf3b00b6ad","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"qafab5bde7a91e3451d64","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":150,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-17T08:18:22.402Z","text":"［用户 chu***］  这个节目分析的太精彩了！","edited":true,"reply_to":"qe0ef6ddb8298b243450a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qafab5bde7a91e3451d64","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe0ef6ddb8298b243450a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q0f8cb06bd9122750f95b","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":151,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-17T08:18:34.373Z","text":"［用户 chu***］ 但有一点我要给v先生说话","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0f8cb06bd9122750f95b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q70fc2dbd1f84fca3467b","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":152,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-17T08:18:47.006Z","text":"［用户 chu***］ 你真的别怪他说你是司法专业的","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q70fc2dbd1f84fca3467b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q1513172d8b71c4d13fff","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":153,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-17T08:19:00.011Z","text":"［用户 chu***］ 就你的司法天赋隔着屏幕都溢出来了","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1513172d8b71c4d13fff","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q3ad8347419c0c3832b3d","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":154,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-17T08:19:23.940Z","text":"［用户 chu***］  瑞恩 当时说 他都理解了两个月你在干什么","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3ad8347419c0c3832b3d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q9ca33e00ddc79dd1e02e","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":155,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-17T08:26:51.531Z","text":"美国联邦地区法院\n【填写法院名称，例如：纽约南区联邦地区法院】\n\n美利坚合众国\n诉\n【被告姓名】\n\n案号：【填写】\n\n---\n\n根据《犯罪受害者权利法》(18 U.S.C. §3771)提出的受害者权利动议\n\n(Motion to Enforce Rights Under the Crime Victims’ Rights Act)\n\n动议人：【你的姓名】\n\n---\n\n一、动议性质\n\n动议人依据《犯罪受害者权利法》(18 U.S.C. §3771)提出本动议，请求法院确认并保障动议人在本案中的法定受害者权利。\n\n动议人同时主张，本案检方在涉及债权人认定、证据披露以及破产托管程序相关事实方面存在持续性的信息遗漏与调查不足，该等行为已影响受害者的程序性权利。\n\n---\n\n二、受害者身份\n\n1. 动议人为因本案所涉行为遭受直接经济损失的投资人。\n2. 动议人损失与本案指控行为具有直接且近因关系。\n3. 因此符合18 U.S.C. §3771(e)所定义的犯罪受害者。\n\n---\n\n三、事实背景（基于公开材料及视频记录）\n\n（一）关于未披露的关键直播内容\n\n2023年1月10日及11日的公开直播中，已明确警告：\n\n- Gongzu 与 Julia 的债权申报存在问题。\n\n尽管存在上述警示，相关债权仍被接纳。\n\n检方在两年期间未就该事项展开充分调查。\n\n直到6月听证会上，托管人 Luc 才披露计划剔除约320亿美元非法债权。\n\n---\n\n（二）关于未提供完整视频证据\n\n检方在文件7、26、192中引用2023年1月11日及1月23日的网络发言作为指控依据，但：\n\n- 未提供完整视频链接\n- 未说明是否进行审查\n- 未披露完整上下文\n\n动议人认为，上述材料可能包含对被告有利的信息，属于应披露的Brady证据。\n\n---\n\n（三）关于关键解释被遗漏\n\n2023年1月23日视频中曾说明：\n\n若托管人接纳特定债权申报，则可能导致所有相关投资人均可申报债权，并将显著增加托管律师费与管理成本。\n\n该背景信息未被纳入检方呈交材料。\n\n---\n\n（四）关于破产程序信息未同步披露\n\n托管人 Luc 在破产法院已告知 Manning 法官计划剔除巨额非法债权，但该信息未同步向本案法院披露。\n\n动议人认为，该遗漏可能影响法院对案件事实背景的理解。\n\n---\n\n（五）关于长期未采取调查措施\n\n动议人认为，在较长时间内：\n\n- 检方未对相关债权真实性展开充分调查\n- 允许存在争议的债权人参与刑事资产没收程序\n\n该情形可能影响合法受害人的利益。\n\n---\n\n四、CVRA权利受到的影响\n\n根据18 U.S.C. §3771(a)，动议人认为以下权利已受到影响：\n\n1. 获得公平对待的权利\n2. 获得准确信息的权利\n3. 参与程序并被合理听取意见的权利\n4. 获得充分赔偿的权利\n\n动议人认为，若债权认定与证据披露不完整，将直接影响受害人赔偿分配。\n\n---\n\n五、请求法院裁定\n\n动议人请求法院：\n\nA. 确认动议人为本案犯罪受害者；\n\nB. 要求政府确认其已履行所有Brady披露义务；\n\nC. 要求政府披露与债权认定相关的完整公开材料及视频记录；\n\nD. 允许动议人提交损失证明并参与赔偿程序；\n\nE. 作出法院认为公正适当的其他裁定。\n\n---\n\n谨此提交\n\n签名：_____________\n\n姓名：_____________\n\n地址：_____________\n\n电话：_____________\n\n邮箱：_____________\n\n日期：_____________\n\n---\n\n送达证明\n\n本人证明已向美国检察官办公室送达本动议。\n\n签名：_____________","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ca33e00ddc79dd1e02e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q15607735eda41fce2dd3","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":156,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-17T08:26:57.089Z","text":"AI给我写的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q15607735eda41fce2dd3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q007cff5519eac041c837","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":157,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-17T08:27:58.771Z","text":"这个要求很笼统","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9ca33e00ddc79dd1e02e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q007cff5519eac041c837","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ca33e00ddc79dd1e02e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q4f0f38d235aedc8a9e55","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":158,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-17T08:28:01.451Z","text":"要具体点","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f0f38d235aedc8a9e55","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"qba78dda6b00be96e298a","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":159,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-17T08:29:21.670Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 你不如直接要求检方和luc探讨公布拱卒和julia的债权","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qba78dda6b00be96e298a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"qcac9f49bde4e035e6750","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":160,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-17T08:31:32.576Z","text":"你其实最重要的就是[屏蔽词]你的钱不能没收","edited":true,"reply_to":"q091a0ec18813ca79c140","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcac9f49bde4e035e6750","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q24562fcb6677230900a1","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":161,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-17T08:31:41.901Z","text":"然后你再指出程序问题","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q24562fcb6677230900a1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"qa030be88d4858eac104e","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":162,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-17T08:32:02.017Z","text":"懂了 精简版瑞恩","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa030be88d4858eac104e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q744f839ca32046361e11","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":163,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-17T08:32:18.190Z","text":"你不要这么急","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q744f839ca32046361e11","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q996f6b1fa1cb5f084260","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":164,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-17T08:32:21.292Z","text":"多看几份","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q996f6b1fa1cb5f084260","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"qad0b614be561219f62c5","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":165,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-17T08:32:23.553Z","text":"多研究一下","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qad0b614be561219f62c5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q60b51e1ad0c5c5bf6c88","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":166,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-17T08:33:28.977Z","text":"看到那几份要钱的就头疼","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q60b51e1ad0c5c5bf6c88","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"qb40709a7f7f579e71766","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":167,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-17T08:33:36.665Z","text":"慢慢来","edited":false,"reply_to":"q60b51e1ad0c5c5bf6c88","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb40709a7f7f579e71766","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q60b51e1ad0c5c5bf6c88","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"qc86da5f6d670e2c0322b","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":168,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-17T08:33:39.328Z","text":"按照自己理解","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc86da5f6d670e2c0322b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"qb8f56d611364a75be802","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":169,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-17T08:33:42.013Z","text":"不要抄","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb8f56d611364a75be802","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000079"},{"id":"q659c94ab99c9967c4304","batch_id":"batch-000079","seq":170,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-17T08:34:02.842Z","text":"［用户 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