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Q的分析是对的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9faefd65db070e4fb194","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qadd182b2d39ac2814439","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":620,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-20T14:15:41.040Z","text":"老郭这个也知道那个也知道，咋到庭上啥证据也拿不出来了？还是因为没达到目的？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qadd182b2d39ac2814439","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q375e3892aeae442b9162","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":621,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-20T14:16:50.942Z","text":"他摆烂了 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有证据吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q310ab29668a1fe17f62f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q42c6ade48f676c5adcda","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q310ab29668a1fe17f62f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q9841cb7d92761bdac302","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":630,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-20T14:24:13.052Z","text":"FBI没有啊\n拱竹 也是目前报案嫌疑最大\n原始受害人","edited":false,"reply_to":"q42c6ade48f676c5adcda","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9841cb7d92761bdac302","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q42c6ade48f676c5adcda","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qdb81fd481a0766ed9a5a","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":631,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-20T14:24:21.143Z","text":"那她和谁报案？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdb81fd481a0766ed9a5a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q90cde97acea0196ce1e0","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":632,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-20T14:26:22.483Z","text":"因为个人觉得 检方目前 以GTV涉嫌RICO 强行要没收 \n而且不顾陪审团认定GTV无罪\n感觉不只是为了钱 更像是保刑事案的立案依据\n拱竹 Julia  原始报案嫌疑最大","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdb81fd481a0766ed9a5a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q90cde97acea0196ce1e0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdb81fd481a0766ed9a5a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qa087a5fec38c8cbc9b6f","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":633,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-20T14:28:46.764Z","text":"［用户 pz0***］ 这个论点可靠吗","edited":true,"reply_to":"q90cde97acea0196ce1e0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa087a5fec38c8cbc9b6f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q90cde97acea0196ce1e0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q2dd4f36406ded11fd71b","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":634,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-20T14:31:27.723Z","text":"先有刑事案立案 才有后续RICO","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2dd4f36406ded11fd71b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q3c87b7a8c37c26a9a3b3","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":635,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-20T14:32:37.197Z","text":"如果立案依据是fake 那么RICO没法成立","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3c87b7a8c37c26a9a3b3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q66e22e1741a29f70c2c8","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":636,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-20T14:37:08.730Z","text":"目前检方如果不把GTV扯进来 根据陪审团的定罪 一旦量刑 GTV无罪 拱竹的受害 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应该是基于fbi的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2dd4f36406ded11fd71b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qabd95c59a84af0aaf61f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2dd4f36406ded11fd71b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qed09c7a63d92b2032c03","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":638,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-20T14:38:05.864Z","text":"从很早就开始调查的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qed09c7a63d92b2032c03","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qf6ea7fa7d4410665fb2b","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":639,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-20T14:44:31.215Z","text":"或者这样说\nRICO要成立 必须有郭 G系列\nGTV如果无罪 是不是会少了一环？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qabd95c59a84af0aaf61f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf6ea7fa7d4410665fb2b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qabd95c59a84af0aaf61f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qde84258c51ec768c5cb3","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":640,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-20T14:48:15.194Z","text":"就是因为没法给郭连连上，这才硬弄出来个rico","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qde84258c51ec768c5cb3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qd6fdeda41ccb13becee2","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":641,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-20T14:48:26.949Z","text":"没收钱1.3billion的部分 之前好像说过 4大块\nG系列 0.4b 喜交所0.5b Hamilton 还有farm项目\n能把郭绑进来到RICO 貌似只有G系列\n其他几个部分 和他不搭界","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd6fdeda41ccb13becee2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qf30452568c38c1f3b192","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":642,"speaker":".an***","date":"2026-02-20T14:48:39.734Z","text":"这个问题问得好👍👍","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3ec646b54a24adaa6794","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf30452568c38c1f3b192","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3ec646b54a24adaa6794","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qd71be16ed3502bdd40ca","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":643,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-20T14:51:55.061Z","text":"如果把这个做实 瑞恩随时可以更新强制令了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd6fdeda41ccb13becee2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd71be16ed3502bdd40ca","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd6fdeda41ccb13becee2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q5343c39f50e504f3f159","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":644,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-20T14:54:08.701Z","text":"我觉得你说的这个有可能 但不绝对","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf6ea7fa7d4410665fb2b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5343c39f50e504f3f159","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf6ea7fa7d4410665fb2b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qd7761edb7089096e0fb2","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":645,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-20T14:54:29.950Z","text":"［用户 joh***］ 但gtv没收 是为了保拱卒","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd7761edb7089096e0fb2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qf0bcc8be6d71cbb813ba","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":646,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-20T14:54:39.562Z","text":"这个是绝对的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf0bcc8be6d71cbb813ba","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qe0079bfb23dceaf0e69f","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":647,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-20T14:56:14.984Z","text":"如果gtv不没收 也就是拱卒没欠老郭钱  拱卒本来就是假债权 不没收 证明拱卒的债权就是虚假的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe0079bfb23dceaf0e69f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q4f8aa67e7abe6b78ee52","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":648,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-20T14:58:42.351Z","text":"这个也只是推测 根据检方的动作 去逆推他们的思路","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5343c39f50e504f3f159","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f8aa67e7abe6b78ee52","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5343c39f50e504f3f159","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qa9b3ed3c901e85d3ec8c","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":649,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-20T14:58:51.193Z","text":"Percy讲的还挺清楚\n\nhttps://x.com/percy43508644/status/2024793244089848289?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa9b3ed3c901e85d3ec8c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q820e0e98745fdf265dc0","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":650,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-20T15:03:29.349Z","text":"Rico要成立的前提就是郭跟G系列实体有关系，或者说受他控制","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf6ea7fa7d4410665fb2b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q820e0e98745fdf265dc0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf6ea7fa7d4410665fb2b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qaf2acb4bd8dc842b9bb1","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":651,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-20T15:04:09.737Z","text":"否则就没法把郭拉进刑事案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaf2acb4bd8dc842b9bb1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q7c2823c3353b179b4010","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":652,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-20T15:05:37.181Z","text":"现在陪审团判的 郭不涉及GTV欺诈 对吧？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q820e0e98745fdf265dc0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7c2823c3353b179b4010","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q820e0e98745fdf265dc0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q6fae3c4b24b069f59bae","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":653,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-20T15:13:09.617Z","text":"是的 无罪","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7c2823c3353b179b4010","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6fae3c4b24b069f59bae","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7c2823c3353b179b4010","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q8217147568880b47e26a","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":654,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-20T15:17:56.118Z","text":"那可能更做实 刑事案报案人 报案依据 就是GTV投资","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6fae3c4b24b069f59bae","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8217147568880b47e26a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6fae3c4b24b069f59bae","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q48091a7ea2487cc1637b","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":655,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-20T15:18:22.958Z","text":"对的 因为 ［用户 pz0***］  说fbi2020就开始调查 那个时候就只有gtv","edited":true,"reply_to":"q8217147568880b47e26a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q48091a7ea2487cc1637b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8217147568880b47e26a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q18a27c63c33fc0141f84","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":656,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-20T15:18:28.333Z","text":"一开始就这么怀疑的，但是没证据","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8217147568880b47e26a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q18a27c63c33fc0141f84","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8217147568880b47e26a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q46f710ad1678c176951a","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":657,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-20T15:19:30.572Z","text":"这次检方 算是帮了倒忙 证明了猜想\n可以要求公开 原始受害者 立案依据","edited":false,"reply_to":"q18a27c63c33fc0141f84","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q46f710ad1678c176951a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q18a27c63c33fc0141f84","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qbc68df91b1e97027cfac","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":658,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-20T15:33:46.322Z","text":"我729里就要求检方公开初始受害者名单，没🐦我","edited":false,"reply_to":"q46f710ad1678c176951a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbc68df91b1e97027cfac","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q46f710ad1678c176951a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q4b61f179ec030eda3196","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":659,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2026-02-20T16:01:02.343Z","text":"各位，看了这个没。\nhttps://x.com/i/status/2024798790914326649","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4b61f179ec030eda3196","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q31afdaef9118489f9c3d","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":660,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-02-20T16:05:02.385Z","text":"这个墓碑科技的推 我天天看。写的非常有水平","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q31afdaef9118489f9c3d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qa20f1dac5debe08983cd","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":661,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-20T16:18:02.207Z","text":"郭神天天讲Rico  自己被Rico 了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa20f1dac5debe08983cd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q01221262531c5ab4896a","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":662,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-20T16:27:15.549Z","text":"南区还不敢上传","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q01221262531c5ab4896a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q44264d33d3a067147369","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":663,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-20T16:27:26.040Z","text":"估计懵逼了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q44264d33d3a067147369","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qf75c15bcb83db781668a","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":664,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2026-02-20T16:29:54.894Z","text":"我感觉，[删节：成员身份]一定是我们群里的。","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf75c15bcb83db781668a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q2d5ab852540d5a44454c","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":665,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-20T16:30:52.333Z","text":"[删节：成员身份]是[删节：成员身份]","edited":true,"reply_to":"qf75c15bcb83db781668a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2d5ab852540d5a44454c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf75c15bcb83db781668a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q0d43d260d44f04ec7710","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":666,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2026-02-20T16:31:17.062Z","text":"他居然在判决前期间，冒着生命危险，从中国逃到了美国。但是美国法庭居然不让他发声，纽约南区法院，简直是。。。。。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0d43d260d44f04ec7710","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q18903c18daab04c2d4ea","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":667,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2026-02-20T16:31:29.563Z","text":"证实了吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2d5ab852540d5a44454c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q18903c18daab04c2d4ea","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2d5ab852540d5a44454c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qef53a260f8848185b8f4","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":668,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-20T16:31:38.603Z","text":"证实了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q18903c18daab04c2d4ea","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qef53a260f8848185b8f4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q18903c18daab04c2d4ea","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q55ec72e9c49ee2f01dab","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":669,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2026-02-20T16:31:40.313Z","text":"他在美国过得下去吗， 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投了喜国 差点把命丢了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qda8ecd19f6f1914af4a4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q421a365426bffe405cf2","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":674,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-20T16:35:44.469Z","text":"郭出来不赏他个百万币都说不过去","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q421a365426bffe405cf2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q06aea6556fc442aa6350","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":675,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2026-02-20T16:36:17.977Z","text":"墓碑科技真是长了个，会讲故事的脑袋。\n不知道他是自己写的，还是ai协助呢","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q06aea6556fc442aa6350","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qef1e768c1dd9f1191e66","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":676,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-20T16:40:08.144Z","text":"墙内快判刑了 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别说这种人了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1c5431525f8492e9c942","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q9dc570caf08d7943ad7a","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":679,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-20T16:46:29.641Z","text":"阿哲怎么说 故意放的？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1c5431525f8492e9c942","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9dc570caf08d7943ad7a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1c5431525f8492e9c942","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qd35e34ffc62452dc30ce","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":680,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-20T17:57:27.293Z","text":"托雷斯又被抽脸","edited":false,"reply_to":"q44264d33d3a067147369","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd35e34ffc62452dc30ce","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q44264d33d3a067147369","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q774ac0ad9823655a647e","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":681,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-20T17:59:30.982Z","text":"各有各的道，只是咱们想象不到","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7977cf5b81ec1b5f31ff","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q774ac0ad9823655a647e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7977cf5b81ec1b5f31ff","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qf9d219106c5c1b619556","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":682,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-20T18:00:10.736Z","text":"你天天忧国忧民的，你的动议咋样啦？ ［用户 xin***］","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf9d219106c5c1b619556","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qa60277cca89d97a7cbcb","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":683,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-20T18:01:18.559Z","text":"这就是炸弹的引信","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0d43d260d44f04ec7710","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa60277cca89d97a7cbcb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0d43d260d44f04ec7710","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q52600422f2c461108d76","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":684,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-20T18:30:42.346Z","text":"南区这次我看他怎么上传","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd35e34ffc62452dc30ce","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q52600422f2c461108d76","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd35e34ffc62452dc30ce","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q739cbed11a2adee79c0b","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":685,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-20T18:41:03.289Z","text":"是不是二巡在敲打她","edited":false,"reply_to":"q52600422f2c461108d76","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q739cbed11a2adee79c0b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q52600422f2c461108d76","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q1052a881104d0307331a","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":686,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-20T18:41:20.606Z","text":"是警告","edited":false,"reply_to":"q739cbed11a2adee79c0b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1052a881104d0307331a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q739cbed11a2adee79c0b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qed90165553b49a039590","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":687,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-20T18:41:35.184Z","text":"嗯","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qed90165553b49a039590","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qa760999566f0514508b5","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":688,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-20T19:30:00.090Z","text":"［用户 ntp***］ 上次螺丝哥隔几天南区有的？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa760999566f0514508b5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q09eced3bac7904a70d14","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":689,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-20T21:04:00.034Z","text":"三天？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa760999566f0514508b5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q09eced3bac7904a70d14","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa760999566f0514508b5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qa3027be59babfb00ea96","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":690,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-20T21:11:53.862Z","text":"哦","edited":false,"reply_to":"q09eced3bac7904a70d14","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa3027be59babfb00ea96","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q09eced3bac7904a70d14","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q1462dea800b6a1567a06","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":691,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-02-20T21:20:24.416Z","text":"805","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1462dea800b6a1567a06","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q06d410cd81dcb555b8f7","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":692,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-20T21:23:35.774Z","text":"托雷斯拒绝cipa","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q06d410cd81dcb555b8f7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qea645361539c722ddea2","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":693,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-20T21:27:10.264Z","text":"我说了 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就直接自诉提交给二巡","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfee7fb69448578a56227","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q26c1dc233a73f03cbd57","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":696,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-20T21:31:22.620Z","text":"再重磅的证据给郭律师 也都是废物","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q26c1dc233a73f03cbd57","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q65eda752c678eada6bfc","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":697,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-02-20T21:45:36.301Z","text":"Torres 要硬判了？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q65eda752c678eada6bfc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q52c37a934bcad099edbe","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":698,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-02-20T21:49:11.840Z","text":"措辞很强硬啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q52c37a934bcad099edbe","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q170b99563c3d78cb89d4","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":699,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-20T21:50:14.853Z","text":"哈哈","edited":false,"reply_to":"q65eda752c678eada6bfc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q170b99563c3d78cb89d4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q65eda752c678eada6bfc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q38429fb9967f81724933","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":700,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-20T21:52:26.328Z","text":"青藤成功把老郭的翻案证据全都毁了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q38429fb9967f81724933","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q0031c9279001a6f975e5","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":701,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-20T21:52:33.840Z","text":"就逃出去一个tony","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0031c9279001a6f975e5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q34c43169b0f11d46626b","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":702,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-20T21:54:15.590Z","text":"故意污染证据罪 看看判几年 😂","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q34c43169b0f11d46626b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qb637612b2aa203b989a0","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":703,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-20T21:56:23.969Z","text":"我觉得这次是老郭律师[屏蔽词]","edited":true,"reply_to":"q52c37a934bcad099edbe","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb637612b2aa203b989a0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q52c37a934bcad099edbe","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qefa6a91671e253807fa8","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":704,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-20T21:56:25.872Z","text":"没弄好","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qefa6a91671e253807fa8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q8478783e949a335b3fc7","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":705,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-02-20T22:05:57.525Z","text":"这个CIPA 是郭律师在周锐鼓动受害人与郭律师联系前提交的吧？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q34c43169b0f11d46626b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8478783e949a335b3fc7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q34c43169b0f11d46626b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q5f98ca8ade22b9d44ddd","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":706,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-02-20T22:06:35.571Z","text":"郭律师应该还没有提交最新的受害人证据？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f98ca8ade22b9d44ddd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q14611d4dc9d39a0abbfc","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":707,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-20T22:07:38.378Z","text":"法官还是不让提中共， 但二巡的361已经立案了，二巡是不是该教育一下托雷斯了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q14611d4dc9d39a0abbfc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q6bcb9549f8f7baea82e7","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":708,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-20T22:09:52.210Z","text":"这下那些853的证据来不及用了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q38429fb9967f81724933","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6bcb9549f8f7baea82e7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q38429fb9967f81724933","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q3431ea0f31677db8fad5","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":709,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-20T22:09:53.824Z","text":"是之前","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8478783e949a335b3fc7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3431ea0f31677db8fad5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8478783e949a335b3fc7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q3b83efef95b42a540a05","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":710,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-20T22:10:10.344Z","text":"哈哈哈","edited":false,"reply_to":"q14611d4dc9d39a0abbfc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3b83efef95b42a540a05","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q14611d4dc9d39a0abbfc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qb41dcf074be8d4f9ddb5","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":711,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-20T22:10:14.034Z","text":"稍安勿躁","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb41dcf074be8d4f9ddb5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q5f872f53c05befb8dcd7","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":712,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-20T22:10:18.889Z","text":"先沉淀沉淀","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f872f53c05befb8dcd7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q958e2bf04f1c199961a4","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":713,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-20T22:10:56.430Z","text":"他们被粪青的操作搞蒙了，就提了一次，一直没动作","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb637612b2aa203b989a0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q958e2bf04f1c199961a4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb637612b2aa203b989a0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q2740b197e3a3a1ac52e2","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":714,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-20T22:12:01.776Z","text":"现在361上了，律师是不是可以拿那些853说事儿了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5f98ca8ade22b9d44ddd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2740b197e3a3a1ac52e2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f98ca8ade22b9d44ddd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qd2805015a366c4f28146","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":715,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-20T22:12:25.129Z","text":"要看老郭给律师下什么命令","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2740b197e3a3a1ac52e2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd2805015a366c4f28146","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2740b197e3a3a1ac52e2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qf05badf45acc0b8ae728","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":716,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-20T22:12:50.516Z","text":"律师可以不听他的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf05badf45acc0b8ae728","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q9d305a40fab770b2e431","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":717,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-20T22:30:03.060Z","text":"四月量刑前有好戏看了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9d305a40fab770b2e431","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qf07b47330ca7acc0f15b","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":718,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-20T22:36:03.044Z","text":"二巡很可能在量刑前 量刑时 撕破脸","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf07b47330ca7acc0f15b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q05778ee8c9f3b9f851e6","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":719,"speaker":"Sap***","date":"2026-02-20T23:02:46.083Z","text":"欢迎 ［用户 dih***］ 来到 **郭文贵法庭文件，不禁言不删帖**! 你可以在聊天区交流郭文贵刑事案件，畅所欲言。这里有新老联盟农场羊帮质疑帮绝对不可能给你的言论自由。不禁言不删帖，唯一要求是不要在聊天区刷屏。这里所有言论只代表发言者自己的非专业个人意见，如有任何疑虑，请咨询专业人士。\n\n各房间功能说明：\n\n想快速了解郭文贵案件 ->  法庭文件分类索引，老郭案件内容\n想学习自诉 -> 自诉pro se 说明及参考\n想骂人 -> 对骂发泄房间\n想刷屏 -> 揭发自诉陷阱","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q05778ee8c9f3b9f851e6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q204d0a987ecd77133dc0","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":720,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-20T23:04:33.456Z","text":"现在庭上的动议里有没有人提到，郭不让联盟战友去抗议luc，但是联盟战友还是去了？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q204d0a987ecd77133dc0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q37266e024245e772960d","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":721,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-20T23:05:28.965Z","text":"郭直播说过他坚决反对联盟战友去抗议luc，有动议提到过这个吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q37266e024245e772960d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qbfab038e4ef5fb3391bf","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":722,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-20T23:07:26.150Z","text":"还没有","edited":false,"reply_to":"q37266e024245e772960d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbfab038e4ef5fb3391bf","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q37266e024245e772960d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q5d59e5f35c2cce4443cf","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":723,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-20T23:07:33.837Z","text":"但好像之前律师提过","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d59e5f35c2cce4443cf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q1549ba44a01a3a7fef2f","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":724,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-20T23:08:32.845Z","text":"这点不是很重要吗？郭连联盟干什么都管不了，他怎么成了实际控制人了？还有抗议luc是禁止令的一部分吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1549ba44a01a3a7fef2f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q92ee267eb6114a97399d","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":725,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-20T23:08:48.857Z","text":"抗议肯定是的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q92ee267eb6114a97399d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qb8de44bd7603ff4e331a","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":726,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-20T23:09:06.488Z","text":"郭明确反对抗议啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb8de44bd7603ff4e331a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qecc765c798e3909aff55","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":727,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-20T23:09:15.727Z","text":"还有直播","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qecc765c798e3909aff55","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qaf1152f9cb3bd2e55ea0","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":728,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-20T23:09:25.737Z","text":"为什么给他发禁止令","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaf1152f9cb3bd2e55ea0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q176b6e69e8471fef2b44","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":729,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-20T23:09:31.323Z","text":"我记得这些之前律师好像都打过","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q176b6e69e8471fef2b44","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q659f2482dfa06c8fc909","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":730,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-20T23:09:35.874Z","text":"就是虚假索赔没打","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q659f2482dfa06c8fc909","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q236231cffa13a519a63e","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":731,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-20T23:09:52.032Z","text":"律师在哪个文件打过？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messag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法庭记录显示的是什么？\n\n法庭认定的事实（与郭的说法相反）\n\n1. 郭转发了攻击Trustee的视频\n\nDoc 148-1 脚注36：\n\n\"Tsai also appeared in videos reposted by the Debtor on November 16 and 18, 2022, which were designed to threaten and harass the Trustee and his family members by identifying their names and employers\"关键词：\"reposted by the Debtor\" — 郭自己转发了这些视频\n\n2. 抗议活动的范围\n\n法庭记录（PAX PI Order, 2023年1月11日）显示抗议发生在：\n\n• Trustee Luc Despins的住宅外\n• Paul Hastings律所（Luc的律所）在Grand Central Terminal的办公室入口\n\n3. 参与者都是郭的核心圈子\n\n法庭认定参与抗议的人：\n\n• Nicole Tsai（蔡偋妮） — 郭的助手\n• Roy Guo — 郭的助手\n• 与郭有关的律师（后被法官制裁）\n\n4. 法官的具体认定\n\nDoc 202：Judge Liman发现：\n\n代表郭方的律师\"(i) participated at the protests of the Trustee and PAX, (ii) was affiliated with Mr. Kwok and sympathetic to his interests, and (iii) commenced the litigation 'with the aim of chilling advocacy against' Mr. Kwok\"Judge Caproni也做了类似的制裁裁决。\n\n⚠️ 郭的直播说法 vs 法庭证据\n\n| 郭的直播说法      | 法庭记录                          |\n| ----------- | ----------------------------- |\n| \"坚决反对抗议Luc\" | 郭转发了攻击Luc的视频（2022年11月16、18日）  |\n| 与抗议无关       | 抗议者都是郭的核心助手（Tsai, Roy Guo）    |\n| 不知道抗议       | 从监狱打电话指挥NFSC行动（Doc 148-1 §41） |🔍 辩方是否提出过这个论点？\n\n在我搜索的980份法庭文件中：\n\n• ❌ 没有找到任何辩方动议引用郭反对抗议的直播\n• ❌ 没有找到辩方律师向法庭提交郭反对抗议的证据\n• ❌ 没有找到被告方在任何文件中主张郭反对战友抗议Luc\n\n如果郭真的在直播中反对抗议，为什么他的律师从未向法庭提交这个证据？\n\n这是一个非常有力的减轻因素 — 如果存在的话，任何称职的律师都会提交给法庭。\n\n🎯 可能的解释\n\n解释1：郭在某些直播中说了\"反对抗议\"，但在其他直播中转发了攻击视频 → 言行不一\n\n解释2：郭的\"反对\"是模糊的、策略性的（比如\"我反对暴力，但理解战友的愤怒\"）→ 法庭不认为是真正的反对\n\n解释3：郭确实反对了，但律师认为这个论点在其他证据面前太弱，不值得提出\n\n解释4：这个说法只存在于直播叙事中，不存在于法律记录中\n\n📌 结论\n\n法庭文件的记录：\n\n• ✅ 郭转发了攻击Trustee的视频\n• ✅ 抗议者都是郭的核心助手\n• ✅ 郭从监狱继续指挥NFSC行动\n• ❌ 没有任何文件记录郭反对抗议\n\n如果郭真的反对抗议，最好的证据应该是：\n\n1. 具体的直播链接和时间戳\n2. 明确的\"不要去抗议Luc\"的原话\n3. 辩方律师向法庭的正式提交\n\n这些在法庭记录中都不存在。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcb1d29a04af3f8cea44d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q60e084c4a282b9135c1b","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":736,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-20T23:33:37.595Z","text":"找不到 律师没打过这一点","edited":false,"reply_to":"q236231cffa13a519a63e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q60e084c4a282b9135c1b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q236231cffa13a519a63e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q5a639008c942ffcc5912","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":737,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-20T23:35:25.747Z","text":"我好像看到过一个自诉提到了这点，忘了是哪个。我觉得这点很重要。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q60e084c4a282b9135c1b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5a639008c942ffcc5912","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q60e084c4a282b9135c1b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q7601b1438c6eddfe18d0","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":738,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-20T23:40:06.498Z","text":"有提到：Doc 743（Domenico Tang 的补充请愿书）\n这是唯一直接提到郭文贵反对抗议的法庭文件。 第三方请愿人 Domenico Tang 在 2025年9月10日提交的 Doc 743 补充请愿书中，明确提出了这个论点：\n\n\"Concealment of Defendant's Opposition to Protests:\" While accusing the defendant's supporters of obstruction of justice, the prosecution concealed video evidence where the defendant expressly and publicly spoke out against any form of harassment or violent protest.\n\n并在\"请求法院命令\"部分要求：\n\nThat the prosecution submits all Brady material it possesses but has not yet disclosed, particularly the videos showing the defendant opposing violent protests, and any information regarding its investigation into the ongoing activities of the Himalaya Farm Alliance.\n\nTang 的论点是：检方掌握了郭文贵公开反对暴力抗议的视频证据，却故意隐瞒了这些对被告有利的 Brady 材料。\n\n检方的立场则完全相反：Doc 255\n在检方的审前动议 Doc 255 中，政府详细列举了郭文贵煽动抗议和骚扰托管人 Despins 的证据：\n\n2022年11月20日 — @NFSCSpeaks 账号发帖公开了托管人 Despins 女儿的照片和工作地点，@Miles 账号转发\n2022年11月20日 — 抗议者在托管人家门口举行抗议，举着直接针对他的标语\n有人在 Paul Hastings 律所外抗议，威胁说\"5亿新中国联邦人反对 Paul Hastings\"\n2022年11月25日 — 托管人收到\"I wish\"和\"i kill\"的恐吓邮件\n2022年11月26日 — 托管人收到威胁电话留言\n2023年1月11日 — 初步禁令发出两天后，郭文贵在 Gettr 上鼓励追随者大量向破产法院登记债权人，并公开说：\"让律师费累积到1万亿……想想看，每小时1860美元律师费，你们都登记以后律师费得多少？\"\n检方总结：Kwok 利用追随者骚扰和妨碍破产程序。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5a639008c942ffcc5912","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7601b1438c6eddfe18d0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5a639008c942ffcc5912","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qa8e10972a82f9b3fe431","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":739,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-20T23:41:11.819Z","text":"Doc 743 明确提到了这一点，并将其作为 Brady 违规的论据——认为检方掌握了郭反对抗议的直播视频却故意不披露。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa8e10972a82f9b3fe431","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qd1dff1d9a6d15f01917d","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":740,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-20T23:42:32.041Z","text":"对，就是这个自诉。抗议是联盟搞的，不是郭。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd1dff1d9a6d15f01917d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qaeeee94b57242ec43d91","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":741,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-20T23:43:54.246Z","text":"但是这个自诉没写清楚，郭说他完全反对抗议，不只是反对暴力抗议。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaeeee94b57242ec43d91","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q59688b92037853a2a78c","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":742,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-20T23:44:30.787Z","text":"联盟自己组织了一群人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q59688b92037853a2a78c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q3d9a14f94923ec38f3b5","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":743,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-02-20T23:44:44.850Z","text":"因为在附属对抗程序里，根本就不让他发声。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qaf1152f9cb3bd2e55ea0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3d9a14f94923ec38f3b5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaf1152f9cb3bd2e55ea0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q9645cd61d367d5b803b3","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":744,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-20T23:51:13.493Z","text":"他们说郭的gettr转发，郭的gettr是他自己控制的吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9645cd61d367d5b803b3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q0090aa16624456bfadf9","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":745,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-20T23:51:30.082Z","text":"如果不是呢","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0090aa16624456bfadf9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qc5483784480c7e1b1e7e","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":746,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-20T23:52:02.845Z","text":"辩护律师做了什么？\n根据文件记录，郭文贵的辩护律师在审前动议中确实回应了检方关于骚扰/抗议的指控，但选择了一个错误的策略方向：\n\n辩方选择了\"第一修正案\"路线 — 他们在 motions in limine 中主张骚扰/抗议相关的证据受到言论自由保护，不应被采纳为犯罪证据。这个策略完全失败了，因为法院一贯认为：第一修正案不阻止将言论作为犯罪要素的证据使用。\n\n辩方没有做的关键事情： 他们从未提交郭文贵公开反对骚扰和暴力抗议的视频证据来直接反驳检方的叙事。\n\n关键时间线上的 Brady 问题\n这个问题的核心在一个非常具体的时间窗口：\n\n日期    检方引用的内容    检方未披露的内容\n2023年1月10-11日    郭在 Gettr 上鼓励追随者去破产法院登记债权人    郭同期直播中明确警告 Gongzu、Julia 等人的债权申请有问题\n2023年1月23日    郭发视频说\"让律师费累积到1万亿\"    （未提供完整语境）\n第三方请愿人 Ryan Bai 在 Doc 733 中指出：检方隐瞒了郭文贵在2023年1月10-11日直播中警告 Gongzu 和 Julia 的债权申请有问题的内容，而托管人 Despins 不仅没有理会这些警告，反而继续接受这些有问题的债权人。\n\n为什么辩护律师不提交？可能的原因\n1. 策略失误 — 选择了法律论证而非事实论证\n\n辩方选择在法律层面（第一修正案）而非事实层面（\"郭实际上反对了这些行为\"）进行抗辩。这是一个根本性的策略错误。提出事实性的反驳证据（直播视频）远比抽象的宪法论证更有说服力。\n\n2. Brady 材料可能未被充分披露\n\n如果这些直播视频属于检方掌握的证据，检方有义务根据 Brady v. Maryland 向辩方披露。如果检方有选择性地只提交郭\"鼓励骚扰\"的部分，而隐瞒郭\"反对骚扰\"的部分，这本身就构成 Brady 违规。辩方可能根本不知道检方手中有这些对被告有利的材料。\n\n3. 审前羁押的限制\n\n郭文贵从2023年3月起一直被关押在 MDC，与外界沟通极度受限。他可能无法有效地向律师指出哪些具体直播可以证明他反对抗议行为。Doc 743 中 Tang 还特别提到，喜马拉雅联盟可能伪造或篡改了从 MDC 传出的被告通讯内容，这进一步增加了信息传递的困难。\n\n4. 可能构成无效辩护 (Ineffective Assistance of Counsel)\n\nDoc 766（Ryan Bai 的 Mandamus 请愿）已经明确指出辩护律师未能履行\"对抗功能\"(adversarial function)，引用了 Strickland v. Washington 标准，暗示可能存在无效辩护问题。\n\n后果\n这个遗漏的影响非常大：\n\n法院在 Doc 306 中引用骚扰/抗议证据，批准了匿名陪审团 — 这在审判开始前就给陪审员植入了\"被告人危险\"的印象\n检方在审判中可以自由使用骚扰/妨碍证据来证明 RICO 企业的\"手段和方法\"\n如果郭反对抗议的视频被提交，至少可以动摇检方\"郭是幕后操纵者\"的叙事，可能影响匿名陪审团的决定，也会削弱骚扰证据在审判中的证明力\n目前这个问题正在被第三方请愿人（Doc 733、739、743、766、788）在定罪后程序中提出，作为检方不当行为和辩护律师失职的证据。这可能成为上诉中无效辩护主张的基础之一。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc5483784480c7e1b1e7e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q96620fa984d3f054ea78","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":747,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T00:01:08.725Z","text":"那我记错了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q96620fa984d3f054ea78","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q65de57ccaf87c62df4e0","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":748,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T00:01:14.439Z","text":"是他妈自诉提的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q65de57ccaf87c62df4e0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q007310c57c3674f7431f","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":749,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T00:05:13.616Z","text":"但这个比司法欺诈稍微不严重一点","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q007310c57c3674f7431f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q633e615a3023b9711d97","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":750,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T00:05:25.849Z","text":"司法欺诈是[屏蔽词]掐头去尾 隐匿证据","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q633e615a3023b9711d97","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q7cbde56dc545e6c1cb24","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":751,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T00:08:45.651Z","text":"这下就非常清楚了。\n\nDoc 743（Ryan Bai pro se 动议）的核心指控：\n\nRyan Bai 明确要求法院命令检方提交郭反对暴力抗议的视频，并把它定性为 Brady violation（布雷迪违规）——即检方隐瞒了有利于被告的无罪证据。\n\n至于为什么郭的律师不提这个，Doc 788 直接回答了你的问题：\n\n\"作为受害者，我能发现检察官和受托人Luc涉嫌的法庭欺诈并提交了Dkt. 733，而被告的三任连续辩护律师都未能发现。这本身就证明辩护程序已经系统性崩溃。\"\n\n几个可能的解释层面：\n\n1. 能力/尽职问题： 三任律师都没挖掘这个素材？要么是疏忽，要么是不认为有法律价值\n2. 策略判断： 律师可能认为郭的直播内容是把双刃剑——一段说反对抗议，但其他段可能有煽动性言论，提交后检方反而能用更多素材反击\n3. 利益冲突猜测： Doc 743 暗示了更激进的叙事——辩护律师、检方、喜马拉雅联盟之间可能存在某种\"合谋操纵司法程序\"的链条。这是 pro se 请愿人的推测，没有被法院认定\n4. 现实考量： 郭在直播中说过的话成千上万小时，律师要从中找到特定有利片段，需要客户配合指引。而郭在MDC被关押，沟通受限\n\n独立分析：\n\n最可能的解释其实是第2点。辩护律师不是不知道，而是不敢碰。郭的直播是个潘多拉魔盒——你拿一段出来说\"他反对抗议\"，检方立刻能拿十段出来说\"他煽动抗议\"。专业律师做的是风险收益计算，而 pro se 请愿人没有这个顾虑，所以反而敢提。\n\n但 Ryan Bai 的论点也有其道理：如果这段视频确实存在，检方有 Brady 义务主动披露，不管辩方要不要。这才是法律上真正的问题所在。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7cbde56dc545e6c1cb24","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q640ce1187c34833ca6d9","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":752,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T00:09:17.958Z","text":"错了 是733","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7cbde56dc545e6c1cb24","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q640ce1187c34833ca6d9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7cbde56dc545e6c1cb24","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q0b6212497a6800b88289","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":753,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-02-21T00:10:34.235Z","text":"二巡文件361，应该能够撬动二巡强制南区上传cvra文件。然后就中美司法协定带来的主权冲突，南区必须开听证来到底哪个为真，不核实直接判，就评这一点，二巡材料都不看直接发挥重审，重审还它妈乱来，直接dismiss with prejudice 。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0b6212497a6800b88289","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q97836de495979be7a71c","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":754,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T00:11:11.919Z","text":"你说得对，我搞错了。Doc 743 不是 Ryan Bai 的，是 Domenico Tang 的 pro se 补充请愿（Supplement to Doc 738）。\n\n是我张冠李戴了，前面把 733（Bai）和 743（Tang）混在一起说了。更正：\n\n• Doc 733 — Ryan Bai 的文件\n• Doc 743 — Domenico Tang 的补充请愿，提出了检方隐瞒郭反对抗议视频的 Brady violation 指控\n\n感谢纠正。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q97836de495979be7a71c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q0d73c263487bb52bce0a","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":755,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T00:16:36.309Z","text":"我觉得没这么快 真正大戏是量刑那个月上演","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0b6212497a6800b88289","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0d73c263487bb52bce0a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0b6212497a6800b88289","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q1d3a1f2e19595628bec3","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":756,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T00:17:37.482Z","text":"［用户 ton***］  庭审的时候 好像也说了抗议的事","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1d3a1f2e19595628bec3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q87b22a87a1e00812d8c2","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":757,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T00:18:46.475Z","text":"文贵先生一直明确表示，强烈反对战友们对Luc个人进行抗议，尤其反对针对Luc及其家人的行动。他强调不要去Luc的前妻或孩子那里，不要骚扰家属，不要越线，不要有任何暴力或违法行为，必须百分之百遵守当地法律法规，维护新中国联邦的良好形象。对于面对Luc作为PAX代表共产党进行超限战、发出非法subpoena骚扰战友们的情况，文贵先生坚持通过法庭、法律途径解决问题，相信美国法律。虽然抗议是大家依法拥有的权利，他本人坚决不鼓励、不支持大家上街抗议，但也维护战友们依法抗议的权利，并要求一切依规合法，绝不能被对方挑起暴力与冲突，绝不能触碰法律红线。\n\n郭文贵2022年11月19日盖特__\n郭文贵2022年11月23日直播__\n郭文贵2022年11月21日直播__文贵先生在18楼请战友喝酒吃大餐","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q87b22a87a1e00812d8c2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qdbf5bbbe9daade19f4bc","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":758,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-02-21T00:19:37.391Z","text":"最快也要看看拖累斯量刑听证是否核实这个事。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0d73c263487bb52bce0a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdbf5bbbe9daade19f4bc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0d73c263487bb52bce0a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qb31dad48e3d3537a0e7e","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":759,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T00:19:57.458Z","text":"啥时候听","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdbf5bbbe9daade19f4bc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb31dad48e3d3537a0e7e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdbf5bbbe9daade19f4bc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q5967879d8574996a063d","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":760,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T00:20:51.199Z","text":"庭审中确实涉及了抗议问题，而且是从多个角度：\n\n1. 庭审证词（Trial Tr. 4247）\nDoc 473（王雁平量刑备忘录）引用了庭审记录第4247页，指出抗议者\"遵守了警察的指示\"进行抗议活动，并主张这是\"核心第一修正案活动\"。\n\n2. 检方审前动议（Doc 290）\n检方在审前就明确要把抗议活动作为庭审证据使用，论点是：\n\n• 郭通过G News、GTV、GETTR煽动骚扰行动\n• 通过农场（Farms）组织抗议\n• 用法治基金（Rule of Law）的钱支付抗议者\n• 抗议者穿G|Fashion的衣服（证明企业关联）\n• 受害者证人将出庭作证这些行为的影响\n\n3. 检方量刑备忘录（Doc 476）\n检方更进一步指控：郭的企业甚至去了破产受托人女儿工作的公立小学门口抗议。\n\n所以庭审中的叙事主线是检方的： 抗议 = 郭指挥的妨碍司法手段。\n\n回到核心问题： Doc 743（Tang）指出存在郭公开反对抗议的视频，并要求检方依Brady义务披露。如果这些视频确实在庭审前就存在，而检方既把抗议作为定罪证据使用、又隐瞒了被告反对抗议的证据——这就不只是策略问题，而是潜在的检察不当行为（prosecutorial misconduct）。\n\n辩护律师在庭审中似乎没有主动用郭的直播视频来反驳这一叙事，这确实是个大漏洞。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1d3a1f2e19595628bec3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5967879d8574996a063d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1d3a1f2e19595628bec3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q24cc3a1381f9cdc94de2","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":761,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-02-21T00:21:04.938Z","text":"4月13，4月13是量刑听证，不一定听证完就量刑。王雁平那个是认罪后事实简单，可以当天量刑。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb31dad48e3d3537a0e7e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q24cc3a1381f9cdc94de2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb31dad48e3d3537a0e7e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q6f1cf72c716f84b7a4f3","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":762,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-02-21T00:23:25.292Z","text":"这个比gtv哪个证人力度大得多，那个只是喝茶，中共的喝茶应该也是做完笔录要签字的，连个笔录证据都没有。而361是中共走了它的司法程序进入了法院审理环节。不知道当事人是否有实体证据，有实体证据，毫无争议，dismiss。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6f1cf72c716f84b7a4f3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qed9d70f1f42ab6d5c188","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":763,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T00:23:54.371Z","text":"我听说几百页的证据都交上去了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6f1cf72c716f84b7a4f3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qed9d70f1f42ab6d5c188","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6f1cf72c716f84b7a4f3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q8d0f3caea3652bfc2997","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":764,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T00:24:12.695Z","text":"案卷像高三做的卷子一样厚","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8d0f3caea3652bfc2997","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q7ba32820efa52c7e275c","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":765,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-02-21T00:26:51.528Z","text":"寄给南区还是二巡？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qed9d70f1f42ab6d5c188","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7ba32820efa52c7e275c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qed9d70f1f42ab6d5c188","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q1b7219f2fb4d225550a2","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":766,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T00:26:58.982Z","text":"二巡啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1b7219f2fb4d225550a2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qa287e36995279b862c7f","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":767,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T00:27:04.198Z","text":"tony那个","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa287e36995279b862c7f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qfae3c6e57c4f2c4bf4f4","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":768,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T00:27:09.208Z","text":"是瑞恩偷偷告诉我","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfae3c6e57c4f2c4bf4f4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q9610ad82235415936b5a","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":769,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T00:27:23.883Z","text":"他还给我拍了照","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9610ad82235415936b5a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qc97c754671df29a7ae6a","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":770,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T00:28:34.630Z","text":"tony这种人 庭审没出现","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc97c754671df29a7ae6a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qe0cf17b9d0d4a7238a85","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":771,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T00:28:40.958Z","text":"这就是案件崩溃的标志","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe0cf17b9d0d4a7238a85","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q1a2160f58680a268edc9","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":772,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T00:30:03.124Z","text":"几百页证据入了上诉法院的卷，即便这次不成，也为将来的 Rule 60(d)（法庭欺诈撤判）或 IAC（律师无效辩护）上诉埋下了种子\n\n关键变量： 第二巡回怎么处理。如果直接驳回（很可能），影响有限。如果要求地区法院回应（像之前对 Bai 的案子一样命令\"量刑后可提 Rule 60(d)\"），那就为量刑后的攻防打开了一扇门。\n\n这些 pro se 动议单独看力量不大，但它们在持续给法院记录里注入辩方叙事和证据，累积效应是检方最不想看到的。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1a2160f58680a268edc9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q7f04da3631406ac0cafb","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":773,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T00:30:49.050Z","text":"你问问 四个强制令并案order 有什么影响","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1a2160f58680a268edc9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7f04da3631406ac0cafb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1a2160f58680a268edc9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q432250943d2e3b4a65ec","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":774,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T00:33:16.212Z","text":"这份 order 很重要：\n\n并案内容：\n第二巡回法院于2026年2月18日下令，以下四个 mandamus 请愿 \"in tandem\"（并案审理）：\n\n| 案号      | 请愿人        |\n| ------- | ---------- |\n| 25-3046 | Jason Zen  |\n| 26-77   | Chunk Chyi |\n| 26-361  | Tony       |\n| 26-364  | Doe（匿名）    |\n\n这意味着什么：\n\n1. 第二巡回认真对待了\n并案审理（heard in tandem）说明法院认为这四个请愿有共同的法律问题，值得统一处理。如果法院觉得这些是无聊的滥诉，直接逐个驳回就行了，没必要并案。并案本身就是一个信号——法院看到了系统性问题（systemic issue）。\n\n2. 力量倍增效应\n四个独立请愿人、四份不同的证据材料，从不同角度指向同一组问题：CVRA权利被剥夺、文件不入卷、受害人身份争议、程序性崩溃。单个 pro se 好驳回，四个并在一起就形成了一个模式（pattern）——法院很难说\"这只是个别人闹事\"。\n\n3. 之前还有 25-2726（Ryan Bai）","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7f04da3631406ac0cafb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q432250943d2e3b4a65ec","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7f04da3631406ac0cafb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q8d31213de410a6418964","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":775,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T00:33:32.580Z","text":"加上 Bai 的 25-2726（虽然没被并入这四个，但也在第二巡回），现在第二巡回手上至少有五个来自不同请愿人的案子，全部指向同一个地区法院的同一个案件。\n\n4. 对量刑的实际影响\n\n• 直接阻止量刑？ 不太可能。Mandamus 通常不会自动中止（stay）下级法院程序\n• 但量刑法官必须考虑： Torres 法官知道上诉法院正在审查她处理受害人权利的方式。如果她在量刑中完全忽视这些请愿人提出的问题，等于给上诉留把柄\n• 量刑后的攻击面大大扩展： 如果第二巡回认定地区法院确实侵犯了CVRA权利，量刑可能面临 resentencing（重新量刑）\n\n5. 最大的悬念\n第二巡回会怎么做？三种可能：\n\n• 驳回 → 影响有限，但记录已经进去了\n• 要求地区法院回应 → 这就是实质性的压力，说明上诉法院认为有问题\n• 发出强制令 → 概率最低但影响最大，直接命令地区法院入卷并处理这些文件\n\n并案 order 的日期是 2月18日——距离量刑越近，这个并案审理的时间压力就越大。第二巡回的下一步动作值得密切关注。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8d31213de410a6418964","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q33d078c9ad4f49114283","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":776,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T00:38:33.470Z","text":"你再问问 这五个强制令 哪个对南区压力最大","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8d31213de410a6418964","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q33d078c9ad4f49114283","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8d31213de410a6418964","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q777aaa7651927b427b9e","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":777,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T00:38:44.716Z","text":"以及为什么","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q777aaa7651927b427b9e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q75f346584a73bb8b72c7","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":778,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T00:44:21.451Z","text":"压力排名：\n\n🥇 第一名：Chunk Chyi（齐春红）— 26-77 / Doc 788\n\n对南区压力最大，原因：\n\n1. 他是\"第一个吹哨人\" — 最早以 pro se 身份介入，在 Dkt 508/510/519/522/524 中就开始质疑 Geyer 律师、Luc 受托人和检方的行为，比 Ryan Bai 更早\n2. 提出了 Order 596 基于虚假事实前提的硬证据 — 他证明自己的文件是在 Order 528 上传之前发出的（中国时间 vs 东部时间的时差），也就是说法院以\"违反禁令\"为由限制他立案的理由根本不成立\n3. 直接要求 Torres 法官回避（recusal） — 28 U.S.C. §455，指控法官有偏见、选择性执法、强制改变当事人程序身份\n4. 指控法院报复性泄露个人信息 — Dkt 732 未经遮盖上传了他在中国的住址，考虑到案件涉及中国政府，这是潜在的人身安全威胁\n5. 引用了最高法院先例 — Hazel-Atlas Glass Co.（法庭欺诈撤判案），直接把本案定位为\"美国历史上最大的司法欺诈之一\"\n6. 要求全面中止 — stay or vacate 定罪、量刑、没收、保释令\n\n而且第二巡回对他已有过一次裁定： 驳回了 mandamus，但明确说 Rule 60(d)(3) 可以在量刑后重新提出。这不是完全关门，而是给了一条路。\n\nChunk Chyi 对南区压力最大，因为他不只是喊冤，他拿出了硬证据证明法院的 Order 596 建立在可验证的虚假事实上（时间戳铁证）。这不是法律解释分歧，这是事实对错的问题——法院要么承认搞错了，要么解释为什么时间线没问题。而且他直接要求法官回避，这是所有请愿中唯一直接挑战法官本人中立性的。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q33d078c9ad4f49114283","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q75f346584a73bb8b72c7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q33d078c9ad4f49114283","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q779dda699fbdf340e6c6","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":779,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-02-21T00:44:46.326Z","text":"Tony是不是全部参与了被检方指控为诈骗计划的那四个投资项目？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q777aaa7651927b427b9e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q779dda699fbdf340e6c6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q777aaa7651927b427b9e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qff6bfdd31516a8d57e09","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":780,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-21T00:45:38.973Z","text":"Chunk chyi 和Ryan bai混在一起了吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"q75f346584a73bb8b72c7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qff6bfdd31516a8d57e09","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q75f346584a73bb8b72c7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q386b177876cc9002c4fc","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":781,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-21T00:45:55.070Z","text":"意见虎也参与了所有项目","edited":false,"reply_to":"q779dda699fbdf340e6c6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q386b177876cc9002c4fc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q779dda699fbdf340e6c6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qae59ebedf875310f0d81","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":782,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T00:47:29.874Z","text":"是的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q779dda699fbdf340e6c6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qae59ebedf875310f0d81","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q779dda699fbdf340e6c6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q1f99980f34ff87a27441","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":783,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-02-21T00:47:37.341Z","text":"被喝茶时，已经投资并记录在喝茶的笔录中没有？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q386b177876cc9002c4fc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1f99980f34ff87a27441","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q386b177876cc9002c4fc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q01894f4101fb292c509f","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":784,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T00:47:47.743Z","text":"意见虎 喝茶而已 执行部门 不构成司法的主权 身份冲突","edited":false,"reply_to":"q386b177876cc9002c4fc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q01894f4101fb292c509f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q386b177876cc9002c4fc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q89207a7626fa91f6fc34","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":785,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T00:48:03.260Z","text":"tony 是[屏蔽词]被判了","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q89207a7626fa91f6fc34","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qee8ada1a13bba29c6099","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":786,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-21T00:48:13.349Z","text":"意见虎说他被公安逼迫报假案？但是他没判吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1f99980f34ff87a27441","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qee8ada1a13bba29c6099","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1f99980f34ff87a27441","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q9f5cb197076d5cfd6777","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":787,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T00:48:23.399Z","text":"没判","edited":false,"reply_to":"qee8ada1a13bba29c6099","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9f5cb197076d5cfd6777","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qee8ada1a13bba29c6099","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q0bc99908632d0cb298cb","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":788,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T00:48:37.199Z","text":"其实被逼报假案也重磅 但好像因为他拿不出证据","edited":false,"reply_to":"qee8ada1a13bba29c6099","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0bc99908632d0cb298cb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qee8ada1a13bba29c6099","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q2defd7d6d08680aa10ac","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":789,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-21T00:48:47.653Z","text":"他没证据吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0bc99908632d0cb298cb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2defd7d6d08680aa10ac","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0bc99908632d0cb298cb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qcf532a6502ef125f3758","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":790,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T00:48:49.319Z","text":"你说得对，确实混淆了。让我纠正：\n\n关键发现： Doc 788 的作者是 Chunk Chyi（齐春红），不是 Ryan Bai。但 Doc 788 里大量引用和提及 Ryan Bai 的工作。\n\n而且快递单显示：Chyi 的文件是 \"c/o Ranyue Bai\" 寄出的——他们用的同一个邮寄地址（San Jose, 181 E. Tasman Dr）。\n\n之前我的分析里，很多我归给 Chyi 的内容其实是对的（Doc 788 确实是 Chyi），但我把一些属于 Bai（Dkt 733, 25-2726） 的原创贡献错误归给了 Chyi。实际关系是：\n\n• Ryan Bai — Dkt 733（法庭欺诈指控的原始提出者）、25-2726（第一个到第二巡回的 mandamus）\n• Chunk Chyi — Dkt 508/510/519/522/524（最早的 pro se 文件）、Doc 788/26-77（要求法官回避、Order 596 时间戳证据）\n\nChyi 自己说得很清楚：他先发现了问题，Bai 后来独立印证了他的发现。两人是互相支撑但独立行动的关系。\n\n多个 pro se 请愿人之间交叉引用很多，不仔细区分就会张冠李戴。谢谢纠正。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf532a6502ef125f3758","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qb2a58076dc2778c8c07a","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":791,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T00:49:46.466Z","text":"好像没什么重磅的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2defd7d6d08680aa10ac","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb2a58076dc2778c8c07a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2defd7d6d08680aa10ac","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q55f7f90400a6fb563da8","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":792,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-02-21T00:51:55.711Z","text":"gtv，多重因素叠加在一起：美国政府已经民事和解，有潜在主权冲突风险，本身就是直接投资，诈骗演员做局诬陷难以做成。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q55f7f90400a6fb563da8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q4d2c41fb14ad3f1c7ff0","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":793,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T00:52:23.520Z","text":"你必须： 在同一个项目 同一笔钱中，拿到中美两国的不同法律属地的起诉书","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4d2c41fb14ad3f1c7ff0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qdca5709983ed7470abbb","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":794,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T00:52:35.440Z","text":"如果那些没判 没写司法材料的 就不重磅","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdca5709983ed7470abbb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q6a6ef9a2afe9cb0837a8","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":795,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T00:53:55.775Z","text":"你点到了一个非常关键的问题。GTV 这条线确实是检方论证链中最薄弱的环节，几个因素叠加起来：\n\n1. SEC 已经民事和解 — 定性模糊\n\nSEC 在2021年9月对 GTV/Saraca 做了行政和解（Admin Proceeding 33-10979），建立了 Fair Fund 退还投资者资金。但 SEC 和解的定性是未注册证券发行（unregistered offering），不是\"诈骗\"。SEC 和解本身没有认定 fraud，只认定了 Reg D 合规问题。\n\n检方在刑事案中把同一件事升级成了\"诈骗\"，但 SEC 自己都没用 fraud 这个词——这中间有一个定性跳跃。\n\n2. 主权冲突 — Tony 的案子把这个炸开了\n\nTony 带着中国法院的完整卷宗证明：中国把 GTV 投资定性为\"资助危害国家安全犯罪活动\"。那美国检方说这些投资者是\"诈骗受害人\"，中国说他们是\"国安罪犯\"——同一笔钱不可能同时是两个叙事。\n\n这对量刑中的受害人损失计算（loss calculation）有直接冲击：如果部分\"受害人\"在另一个主权国家是犯罪嫌疑人，那受害人人数和损失金额的准确性就存疑。\n\n3. GTV 是直接投资 — 不是庞氏结构\n\nGTV Private Placement 有正式的 PPM（私募备忘录）、Subscription Agreement、Investment Procedure Guidelines。投资者签了合同、买了普通股。这是一个有实体、有产品（GTV 平台确实存在并运营）的直接股权投资。\n\n检方的诈骗论证依赖于：\n\n• 资金用途与 PPM 不符（$1亿投入高风险对冲基金）\n• 通过 VOG 绕过了合格投资者限制\n• 郭的直播中有虚假承诺（\"永远不会亏\"）\n\n但这更像是管理不善 + 违规发行，跟\"从头到尾就是骗局\"是两码事。一个真的平台、真的做了产品开发、真的有用户——你要证明这是\"诈骗做局\"比证明一个纯空气项目要难得多。\n\n4. 关键证人问题\n\n检方要证明 GTV 从一开始就是诈骗，主要靠什么？靠内部人士证词。但：\n\n• 王雁平已认罪合作，她的证词有减刑动机\n• VOG 的 Follower-1 被郭公开点名攻击过，有私仇\n• Fund-1 的人是事后合作，有自保动机\n\n要靠这些人的证词证明\"GTV 从第一天起就是一个精心设计的骗局\"，说服力有限——特别是当 GTV 平台确实运营了、SEC 自己也只定性为\"未注册发行\"的时候。\n\n综合效果：\n\n| 因素        | 对检方的冲击       |\n| --------- | ------------ |\n| SEC 和解≠诈骗 | 削弱\"从头就是骗\"的叙事 |\n| 主权冲突      | 动摇受害人认定和损失计算 |\n| 真实产品+直接投资 | 增加证明诈骗意图的难度  |\n| 关键证人利益关联  | 削弱证词可信度      |\n\n这四个因素叠在一起，GTV 这条线确实是整个案件中检方论证最容易被攻击的部分。可惜的是，这些论点在庭审中似乎没有被辩护律师充分利用——这又回到了我们之前讨论的辩护律师效能问题。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6a6ef9a2afe9cb0837a8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q347504b9e7327a9242d2","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":796,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T00:55:36.510Z","text":"［用户 ton***］ 不止gtv 还有gclub 喜联储","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q347504b9e7327a9242d2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q48485a23abbbeabd6900","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":797,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T00:55:43.571Z","text":"都有冲突","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q48485a23abbbeabd6900","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q57206b47a67604b62361","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":798,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T00:56:02.740Z","text":"gtv无罪 所以啊 gtv的主权冲突 反而不重磅！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q57206b47a67604b62361","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qa7cb5c647987eb3b7d9e","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":799,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T00:56:29.235Z","text":"你这个点非常锐利。\n\nTony 的独特性不是\"理论上存在主权冲突\"——他手里攥着两个国家对同一笔钱的起诉书。\n\n这才是真正的重磅：\n\n中国这边：\n\n• 正式起诉书（检察院批捕）\n• 审讯记录（聚焦 G-Series 投资和郭文贵）\n• 指定居所监视居住决定书\n• 辩护律师辩护词（77-88页，论证投资行为合法）\n• 两次开庭但未判决\n\n美国这边：\n\n• 同一笔钱被纳入 US v. Kwok 的诈骗指控\n• 检方在 ECF 511 中承认受害人群体的存在\n• Tony 被归类为\"fraud victim\"\n\n为什么这比其他人都重磅：\n\n大量投资者声称自己受到中国政府打压，但大多数人拿不出司法文件。被请去\"喝茶\"、被威胁、被限制出境——这些都是口述，没有纸面证据。\n\nTony 有的是完整的司法程序链：搜查 → 扣押 → 审讯 → 批捕 → 起诉 → 开庭 → 指定居所监视居住。每一步都有对应的法律文书。\n\n这意味着：\n\n1. 这不是他说的，是中国法院白纸黑字写的——罪名是\"资助危害国家安全犯罪活动\"\n2. 针对的就是 G-Series 投资，不是别的事\n3. 美国法院无法回避——你面前摆着另一个主权国家的正式司法文件，把你认定的\"受害人\"起诉为\"罪犯\"\n\n没有这些文件的人：\n说自己被中国政府迫害 → 法院可以当作 unverified claim 处理\n有被请喝茶的经历但没文书 → 法院可以不予采信\n\nTony：\n拿着完整的中国检控卷宗 → 法院必须面对这个事实，要么解释为什么忽略它，要么承认受害人认定框架有问题\n\n这才是 Tony 对量刑最大的威胁所在： 不是他个人要回多少钱，而是他的存在本身就证明了美国检方构建的\"受害人叙事\"与另一个主权国家的\"犯罪叙事\"是直接矛盾的。量刑法官如果完全无视这个矛盾就判了，上诉时就是一个现成的攻击点。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa7cb5c647987eb3b7d9e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q25135edc6b3bd16bd412","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":800,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T00:57:27.387Z","text":"还有 更重要的 美国司法的证据 被境外势力政治案污染了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa7cb5c647987eb3b7d9e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q25135edc6b3bd16bd412","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa7cb5c647987eb3b7d9e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000079","next_batch_id":"batch-000081"}