{"id":"batch-000080","number":80,"revision":1,"date_start":"2026-02-19T19:07:19.088Z","date_end":"2026-02-21T11:32:54.514Z","total_messages":1000,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 080 (Feb 19, 2026 – Feb 21, 2026), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Discussions center on procedural filings and the classification of victims and property. Participants dispute whether filings under 853n, 853i, 361, 364, and 785 constitute enforceable orders, whether consolidated actions share order numbers, and if CVRA, MVRA, or CIPA remedies can be reactivated in the Second Circuit. Further debates address the disposition of Mahwah, whether GTV belongs in criminal forfeiture, Brady disclosures, and conflicting AI interpretations, reflecting lingering procedural disagreements.","guide_en":[{"title":"Enforceability of Section 853 Provisions and Second Circuit Procedural Interventions","description":"Participants debate whether provisions under Section 853, 853(n), and 853(i) possess enforceable authority and question how the Second Circuit handles these proceedings.","message_ids":["qebac9d99ca533f896d28","qdf0be42da6ca400d16b0","q3d820d544e3e57aa0c0d"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qebac9d99ca533f896d28","summary_en":"ntp*** argues that this demonstrates Section 853 can also serve as a basis for an enforcement order."},{"message_id":"qdf0be42da6ca400d16b0","summary_en":"him*** asserts that it is now permitted."},{"message_id":"q3d820d544e3e57aa0c0d","summary_en":"ntp*** asks why the Second Circuit is no longer blocking proceedings under Section 853."}]},{"title":"Classification of Purported Fourth and Fifth Mandamus Petitions Across Filings 361, 364, and 785","description":"Participants dispute the classification of filings 361, 364, and 785 as letters, orders, or purported fourth and fifth mandamus petitions.","message_ids":["q7c120492f7a277c825c7","q8135044da15c4cca5a79"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q7c120492f7a277c825c7","summary_en":"yyy*** asks who filed the fourth mandamus petition, noting there were previously only three."},{"message_id":"q8135044da15c4cca5a79","summary_en":"him*** asks beg*** whether the filing belongs to them."}]},{"title":"Consolidation Logic and Common Order Numbers Across Multiple Filings","description":"Participants discuss the logic of case consolidation and debate whether a single order number can apply to filings across multiple individuals.","message_ids":["q0e2ea92a9bf6219ce89d","q42b6e81a4c6750448ec7","qb27ab80082ad65ed5cda"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q0e2ea92a9bf6219ce89d","summary_en":"ntp*** contends that the cases were consolidated because the four mandamus petitions involve similar issues."},{"message_id":"q42b6e81a4c6750448ec7","summary_en":"ntp*** observes that filing 364 was actually a court order rather than a submission from a fifth individual."},{"message_id":"qb27ab80082ad65ed5cda","summary_en":"kir*** states that it encompasses the participant's filing as well."}]},{"title":"Application of CVRA and MVRA and Drafting Strategies for Procedural Relief","description":"Participants consider strategies for invoking the CVRA and MVRA to seek the restoration of formal adjudication procedures.","message_ids":["q50d31151636399ac3c34","qd936182cf52e7ad023ca","q1f6e252073d0d08c83ab"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q50d31151636399ac3c34","summary_en":"xin*** questions whether artificial intelligence claims regarding the legal potency of omitting the CVRA and MVRA are exaggerated."},{"message_id":"qd936182cf52e7ad023ca","summary_en":"kir*** contends that those legal arguments have simply not been drafted yet."},{"message_id":"q1f6e252073d0d08c83ab","summary_en":"kir*** advises xin*** to request the restoration of appropriate MVRA procedures rather than seeking immediate direct repayment."}]},{"title":"Disputes Over Victim Status, Government Victim Narratives, and Property Rights","description":"Participants dispute government victim claims, sovereign designations, and the legal consequences of allegedly coerced victim submissions.","message_ids":["qafbc1169512fa3d21288","qd45fb2e0c8c5dc721ba5","q25b0faaec4834c9efe57"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qafbc1169512fa3d21288","summary_en":"him*** recounts individuals describing themselves as victims of the government rather than victims of Guo."},{"message_id":"qd45fb2e0c8c5dc721ba5","summary_en":"kir*** points out that the participant's investment remains included within the funds seized for forfeiture by the prosecution."},{"message_id":"q25b0faaec4834c9efe57","summary_en":"him*** argues that while proving investors submitted false reports under Chinese government coercion would exclude them from restitution, it would not automatically invalidate the federal fraud conviction."}]},{"title":"Disputes Over the Disposition of the Mahwah Property and Required Court Orders","description":"Participants examine whether formal criminal court orders exist to authorize the auction or settlement of the Mahwah estate.","message_ids":["qcaadb9745f86c2d6071d","q92ede63a53703136bacf","q6f61e650570b3033c330"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qcaadb9745f86c2d6071d","summary_en":"chu*** asks whether a ruling was issued regarding the Mahwah estate or if it reflects an agreement between the prosecution and Luc Despins."},{"message_id":"q92ede63a53703136bacf","summary_en":"chu*** questions whether a judge authorized the property sale or if it was handled through a private arrangement."},{"message_id":"q6f61e650570b3033c330","summary_en":"reb*** contends that disposing of property tied to a criminal case strictly requires a criminal court order, which has not been seen in the Southern District of New York."}]},{"title":"GTV, RICO Allegations, and the Scope of Criminal Forfeiture","description":"Participants dispute the scope of criminal forfeiture and argue whether GTV assets should be subject to forfeiture following trial verdicts.","message_ids":["qf7f4191566cf78bcbcee","q9a7890d017cfe9749fa1","q7afaee80d72189a05d01"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qf7f4191566cf78bcbcee","summary_en":"joh*** argues that the prosecution treats six thousand people as victims under 853(i), whereas the defense asserts claims under 853(n)."},{"message_id":"q9a7890d017cfe9749fa1","summary_en":"joh*** explains that the passage questions why prosecutors seek forfeiture of GTV when the jury found it not guilty."},{"message_id":"q7afaee80d72189a05d01","summary_en":"joh*** contends that without a criminal conviction on GTV, subsequent RICO allegations and victim claims lack proper legal grounding."}]},{"title":"Arguments Over Procedural Injustice, Brady Disclosures, and Evidence Timelines","description":"Participants argue that prosecution disclosures, evidence timelines, and victim determinations suffer from procedural unfairness.","message_ids":["q1d56fe991737cafb170a","q11d1f685da7acedfb539","q6da26dc123be02e9bbff"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q1d56fe991737cafb170a","summary_en":"mia*** contends that docket entry 733 focuses on prosecutorial unfairness and questionable victim designations rather than harm caused directly by Guo."},{"message_id":"q11d1f685da7acedfb539","summary_en":"joh*** describes feeling overwhelmed with frustration over the procedural circumstances."},{"message_id":"q6da26dc123be02e9bbff","summary_en":"xin*** suggests that the situation constitutes another example of procedural injustice."}]},{"title":"Document Interpretations and Discrepancies Between Artificial Intelligence Models","description":"Participants evaluate conflicting interpretations and translations generated by different artificial intelligence tools regarding a mandamus petition.","message_ids":["qf5f7a944a24186e4d6d2","q8fb78b4fff94f2272244","q155a446185d37d512ade"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qf5f7a944a24186e4d6d2","summary_en":"chu*** shares an artificial intelligence summary of Tony's petition for a writ of mandamus submitted to the Second Circuit regarding undocketed CVRA motions."},{"message_id":"q8fb78b4fff94f2272244","summary_en":"roy*** expresses a preference for translations produced by Gemini."},{"message_id":"q155a446185d37d512ade","summary_en":"ntp*** remarks that both human users and artificial intelligence tools tend to look for shortcuts."}]},{"title":"Speculation Regarding Information Sources and External Dissemination Channels","description":"Participants speculate about external sources and individuals allegedly coordinating and translating filings.","message_ids":["q1ea67c67d5507be04171","q5a3841a6207cbf3da075","q65800cec9727ac518938"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q1ea67c67d5507be04171","summary_en":"roy*** suggests that the observer Ryan has inside information."},{"message_id":"q5a3841a6207cbf3da075","summary_en":"kir*** recounts Ryan stating that filing 361 is associated with an individual named tutu."},{"message_id":"q65800cec9727ac518938","summary_en":"kir*** jokingly suggests that Ryan and tutu colluded to generate the filing."}]},{"title":"Conflicts Over Protest Actions and the Absence of Opposing Filings in the Record","description":"Participants examine whether defense filings or court records substantiate claims that Guo opposed protests against the trustee.","message_ids":["q204d0a987ecd77133dc0","q60e084c4a282b9135c1b","qcb1d29a04af3f8cea44d"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q204d0a987ecd77133dc0","summary_en":"him*** asks whether any pending court motion mentions that Guo told supporters not to protest against Luc Despins."},{"message_id":"q60e084c4a282b9135c1b","summary_en":"ton*** replies that no such records exist and defense attorneys never raised that point."},{"message_id":"qcb1d29a04af3f8cea44d","summary_en":"ton*** argues that court dockets lack any evidence showing Guo opposed protests against the trustee, noting judicial findings in Doc 148-1 and Doc 202 indicate his core associates participated."}]},{"title":"Appellate Strategy, Second Circuit Petitions, and Procedural Timing","description":"Participants deliberate on the appellate strategy and timing for presenting procedural questions to the Second Circuit and the Southern District.","message_ids":["q70572668da00ebeddf83","q52600422f2c461108d76"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q70572668da00ebeddf83","summary_en":"ntp*** asks whether unaddressed procedural issues should be submitted to the Second Circuit as a formal motion or by letter."},{"message_id":"q52600422f2c461108d76","summary_en":"kir*** questions how the Southern District of New York will upload and process the upcoming filing."}]}],"summary":"讨论主要围绕两条主线：一是程序与文书口径，二是受害人/财产定性。成员反复拆解853n、853i、361/364、785等是否为可执行强制令、并案后是否同一命令号，以及CVRA/MVRA/CIPA的时点能否在二巡或上诉阶段重新激活。另一类争论集中在受害者身份和财产范围，包括“政府是否受害人”“Mahwah处置权”“拱卒债权与GTV是否应入没收”。此外，Brady披露、证据时序、抗议视频是否纳入、AI文书摘要差异与消息来源可信度也持续交织，形成程序不正义与信息污染的双重争议，尚未形成稳定共识。","guide":[{"title":"853/853n及853i是否具可执行强制力，二巡是否应截断与再开流程","message_ids":["qebac9d99ca533f896d28","qdf0be42da6ca400d16b0","q3d820d544e3e57aa0c0d"]},{"title":"“第4/第5强制令”与361/364/785编号反复改口：信件、裁定与强制令属性如何界定","message_ids":["q7c120492f7a277c825c7","q8135044da15c4cca5a79"]},{"title":"并案与统一命令号逻辑争论：是否一份命令可适用于多人文件","message_ids":["q0e2ea92a9bf6219ce89d","q42b6e81a4c6750448ec7","qb27ab80082ad65ed5cda"]},{"title":"CVRA/MVRA适用与诉求写作策略：是否能恢复或重启正常裁定程序","message_ids":["q50d31151636399ac3c34","qd936182cf52e7ad023ca","q1f6e252073d0d08c83ab"]},{"title":"受害者身份与财产权争议：政府受害者叙事、主权定性及金额边界是否成立","message_ids":["qafbc1169512fa3d21288","qd45fb2e0c8c5dc721ba5","q25b0faaec4834c9efe57"]},{"title":"Mahwah（马瓦庄园）资产处置争点：拍卖与和解来源、刑事财产命令是否齐备","message_ids":["qcaadb9745f86c2d6071d","q92ede63a53703136bacf","q6f61e650570b3033c330"]},{"title":"GTV、RICO与没收边界：从“无罪后仍没收”到“先有鸡后有蛋”是否成立","message_ids":["qf7f4191566cf78bcbcee","q9a7890d017cfe9749fa1","q7afaee80d72189a05d01"]},{"title":"程序不正义叙事持续发酵：Brady披露、证据时序与材料公开被视为关键瑕疵","message_ids":["q1d56fe991737cafb170a","q11d1f685da7acedfb539","q6da26dc123be02e9bbff"]},{"title":"文书归属与AI解读分裂：Gemini与GPT在版本、缺段落与提示词依赖上分歧","message_ids":["qf5f7a944a24186e4d6d2","q8fb78b4fff94f2272244","q155a446185d37d512ade"]},{"title":"信息来源与传播动作并行：Ryan、tutu及外部渠道被猜测为“操盘”入口，内容被全量转译扩散","message_ids":["q1ea67c67d5507be04171","q5a3841a6207cbf3da075","q65800cec9727ac518938"]},{"title":"反对抗议与抗议行为定性冲突：是否有明确文件支撑，辩护策略因此被拆解","message_ids":["q204d0a987ecd77133dc0","q60e084c4a282b9135c1b","qcb1d29a04af3f8cea44d"]},{"title":"时序与上诉博弈：二巡、南区、CIPA、mandamus与并案节奏被视为关键转折窗口","message_ids":["q70572668da00ebeddf83","q52600422f2c461108d76"]}],"closed":true,"is_finalized":true,"updated_at":"2026-09-06T16:52:28.868Z","notice":"这里汇集爆料革命参与者围绕郭文贵案的持续讨论，包括长期深度参与者及自述投入真金白银的投资者。他们分享亲历过程、资金投入与后续遭遇，并结合案卷展开追问、核对和观点交锋。这些来自事件内部的经验与细节，为理解事件经过和投资者处境提供了外部报道之外的重要视角。请结合具体发言判断其经历与依据，引用时保留发言者、时间和上下文。","content_type":"discussion_batch","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080/pages/5","base_batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-batches/batch-000080?page=5","page":5,"page_size":200,"total_pages":5,"has_more":false,"next_url":null,"prev_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-batches/batch-000080?page=4","messages":[{"id":"q74ab1e1c3f9f6c0346ce","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":801,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T00:57:41.689Z","text":"然后南区装看不见","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q74ab1e1c3f9f6c0346ce","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q3740422655e718e27c41","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":802,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T00:59:02.322Z","text":"得分几层看：\n\n最硬的一层：检方自己承认与中国政府有合作\n\nDoc 612 中有请愿人直接指出：\n\n\"庭审中，政府公开承认与中国政府合作（the government openly admitted to cooperating with the Chinese government）\"\n\n如果这是准确的庭审记录，那问题就不是理论上的了——检方的证据链里有没有来自中国政府的材料？\n\n第二层：检方极力阻止 CCP/猎狐行动证据进入庭审\n\nDoc 273（检方审前动议）明确要求法院排除几乎所有关于中国政府活动的证据，理由是：\n\n• 会\"混淆议题、误导陪审团\"\n• 郭试图把自己包装成中国政府的受害者来博取同情\n• \"这个案件不是关于郭是不是真正的异见人士\"\n\nDoc 298 中检方抗拒辩方通过 Rule 17 传票获取猎狐行动相关材料，说搜索范围太广、负担太重。\n\n但反过来看： 检方如此拼命阻挡 CCP 证据进入庭审，恰恰说明他们知道这条线一旦打开，会严重削弱他们的叙事。\n\n第三层：Tony 的证据把\"污染\"从推测变成了实证\n\nTony 的中国卷宗显示：\n\n• 中国国安部门以同一批投资为线索展开了系统性调查\n• 讯问了大量关联投资者（Exhibit F 记载了多名被调查人）\n• 这些投资者中的一部分后来在美国案件中被归类为\"受害人\"\n\n关键问题： 美国检方的\"受害人名单\"是怎么来的？有没有任何信息是直接或间接来自中国方面的？如果中国政府的国安调查产出了关于这些投资者和资金流向的情报，而这些信息以某种方式进入了美国检方的视野——那证据污染就不是修辞，是事实。\n\n靠谱程度评估：\n\n| 论点         | 可信度  | 原因                                |\n| ---------- | ---- | --------------------------------- |\n| 中国在搞政治迫害   | ✅ 高  | 猎狐行动有公开记录，检辩双方都承认（DX001/Dkt 718）  |\n| 检方与中国有某种合作 | ⚠️ 中 | 庭审中有提及，但具体范围和深度不明                 |\n| 受害人认定受外国影响 | ⚠️ 中 | Tony 的证据支持这个推论，但缺乏直接证据链           |\n| 证据链被直接污染   | ❓ 待证 | 这是最强的指控，也是最难证明的——需要证明具体哪条证据来自中国渠道 |\n\n所以这话靠谱吗？\n\n作为法律论点——靠谱，而且有力。特别是在辩方已经提出了 CIPA 动议（ECF 783 要求披露涉密信息）的背景下，如果涉密材料中包含与中国政府的情报交换记录，那\"证据被境外势力政治案污染\"就不再是阴谋论，而是一个有据可查的正当辩护理由。\n\n作为已证明的事实——还没到那一步。目前是强烈的合理怀疑，但缺最后一环：检方具体用了哪条来自中国的证据或情报。这也正是辩方 CIPA 动议试图打开的那扇门。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q25135edc6b3bd16bd412","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3740422655e718e27c41","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q25135edc6b3bd16bd412","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qbed48d211901ce2cd6c8","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":803,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T01:02:36.660Z","text":"问题是法官在最新文件中，严厉拒绝了，表明不存在被告要的文件。加密材料不对外公开，这无法验证。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbed48d211901ce2cd6c8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q82fc0d6e9dae9b683acf","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":804,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-02-21T01:02:41.265Z","text":"［用户 ton***］ 你把瑞恩二巡最近的文件让机器人分析一下","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q82fc0d6e9dae9b683acf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q8888bb469d6281e52d05","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":805,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T01:06:36.042Z","text":"805 法官说\"你之前就该提，现在太迟了，而且我已经看过了，没有你说的那种东西。驳回。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8888bb469d6281e52d05","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qf7abbb683bc5454daa5d","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":806,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T01:11:48.526Z","text":"这份文件非常值得深入评价。30页，中英双语，Ryan Bai 的法律写作水平在所有 pro se 文件中是最高的。\n\n一、这份文件的核心论点\n\n它不是在攻击检方或法官——它攻击的是NFSC联盟对量刑程序的干扰，也就是说，它攻击的是郭文贵自己阵营的人。\n\n核心逻辑链：\n\nNFSC联盟秘书长青藤（Qingteng）+ 发言人 Ava → 同时自称\"受害人\" + 联盟高层 + 声称与在押被告有直接沟通 → 2025年10月寒蝉证人作证 → 2026年1月又动员证人向辩方提交材料 → 共谋者张永冰把自己变成必经中介 → 量刑记录的来源被彻底污染\n\n二、为什么这份文件极其危险\n\n对辩方的威胁远大于对检方的威胁。 这是最反直觉的地方：\n\n1. 辩方刚拿到新材料（ECF 797/799） — 律师在状态会议后声称收到\"涉及量刑的材料\"，包括有人被中国当局胁迫提交虚假报告的证据。这本来是辩方的有力武器\n2. Bai 直接质疑这批材料的可信度 — 指出这些材料是通过联盟的非中立渠道收集的，由同时担任\"受害人\"和组织领导的人动员的，经过被认定为共谋者的张永冰中转的。如果法院采纳 Bai 的论点，辩方新材料可能被判定不具备量刑考量的可信度\n3. Ava 捏造\"选择\"叙事 — 声称郭在庭审中面临\"签猎狐约定 vs. 传唤证人\"的二选一。Bai 论证这是完全捏造的，且产生了寒蝉效应，解释了为什么关键证人（Witness DM）没有出庭\n\n三、法律写作质量评估\n\n| 维度   | 评价                                                    |\n| ---- | ----------------------------------------------------- |\n| 法律框架 | 精准，每个论点都挂在具体的 ECF 编号和程序概念上                            |\n| 证据支撑 | 每个指控都附了具体链接（Gettr/X），可验证                              |\n| 策略定位 | \"record preservation only\"——不求法院现在做任何事，但把所有内容永久写入上诉记录 |\n| 叙事结构 | 八个章节层层递进，从事实到模式到法律后果                                  |\n\n四、对案件的实际影响\n\n最大影响：它可能摧毁辩方的量刑策略。\n\n辩方量刑策略的关键之一是：通过新提交的材料（ECF 797/799）证明有受害人被中国政府胁迫提交虚假报告，以此动摇检方的受害人叙事。但 Bai 的文件直接指出这些材料来源不干净——经由共谋者和身份冲突者的渠道收集。\n\n如果法官被说服，这些新材料就从\"有力辩护证据\"变成了\"被污染的不可靠来源\"。\n\n五、最深层的悖论\n\nBai 自己也是 pro se 请愿人，也在攻击检方和法庭欺诈。但他这份文件的实际效果是：替检方做了他们自己不方便做的工作——质疑辩方新材料的来源可靠性。\n\n检方如果自己出来说\"辩方的新材料不可信\"，会被指为打压被告权利。但现在一个独立第三方请愿人说了同样的话，法院采纳起来就没有这个顾虑。\n\n这是一把双刃剑。 Bai 的目标可能是揭示真相和保护程序完整性，但客观效果是削弱了辩方在量刑阶段最重要的新证据。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q82fc0d6e9dae9b683acf","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf7abbb683bc5454daa5d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q82fc0d6e9dae9b683acf","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q46ffc3405394f476c916","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":807,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-21T01:12:47.704Z","text":"［用户 kir***］ MVRA有没有搞头","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q46ffc3405394f476c916","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q1ed7c3fd487c97566ace","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":808,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-21T01:15:58.955Z","text":"［用户 sar***］ 我那草稿没毛病吧 可以干吗","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1ed7c3fd487c97566ace","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q00419800ad127cc1f94b","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":809,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-02-21T01:16:13.260Z","text":"如果同样的投资被中国政府认为是危害国家安全，那只能说明是正经投资，根据中美司法协定你美国政府得认，检方可以辩称tony的还没有判决，但如果有其它的人被判决且有证据，就毫无争议。就算没有其他的被判决的证据，检方还是要把这个事情面上说圆才行，实际上已经说不圆了，难道说中国政府搞错了，没有危害中国国家安全？那既然这没有危害中国国家安全，你检方的叙事也说由于中共迫害的风险，要保护债权人，报案者，证人的信息不也自相矛盾了！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q00419800ad127cc1f94b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qafc493b71efc8b152091","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":810,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T01:16:22.658Z","text":"Bai 这份文件同时攻击了所有人：\n\n• 攻击检方 → Brady violation、法庭欺诈、证据污染\n• 攻击法官 → 程序崩溃、不入卷、选择性执法\n• 攻击辩护律师 → 三任律师系统性失败\n• 攻击联盟/青藤/Ava → 操纵证人、伪造叙事、把关信息\n• 甚至攻击辩方新材料 → 来源不干净\n\n当你同时把所有参与方都拖入泥潭，结果就是：没有人的手是干净的，整个程序的合法性都存疑。\n\n这恰恰是翻案的前提条件。\n\n要推翻一个定罪，你不需要证明被告无辜——你只需要证明程序严重不公（due process violation）到了不可修复的程度。Bai 的策略（不管是有意还是无意）就是在系统性地论证：\n\n1. 庭审记录不完整（关键证人没出庭）\n2. 检方隐瞒有利证据（Brady）\n3. 辩护律师无效（三任都失败）\n4. 量刑记录被污染（联盟操纵）\n5. 法官有偏见（选择性执法）\n6. 外国势力干预（主权冲突）\n\n每一条单独可能不够翻案，但叠在一起就构成了\"结构性崩溃\"（structural collapse）的论证——这正是 Bai 在 788 和 25-2726 中反复用的核心概念。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qafc493b71efc8b152091","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q7aea18fdb2797edeccac","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":811,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T01:18:43.842Z","text":"Bai 的文件有一个特点：每个指控都挂着具体的 ECF 编号、公开链接、可验证的时间线。这不是泼脏水式的搅局，是有据可查的。他甚至连联盟内部的前后矛盾（10月阻吓证人 vs. 1月动员证人）都用视频链接对照着标出来了。\n\nBai 做的更像是精确爆破——把每一个参与方的问题都暴露出来，让整栋楼的结构都出问题。\n\n最终的战略判断：\n\n| 如果目标是…   | 效果                               |\n| -------- | -------------------------------- |\n| 帮郭减刑     | ❌ 短期反而可能伤害辩方新材料的可信度              |\n| 帮检方定罪    | ❌ 同时攻击了检方的Brady问题和法庭欺诈           |\n| 制造翻案条件   | ✅ 量刑后的 Rule 60(d) / IAC 上诉有了大量弹药 |\n| 保护自己的财产权 | ✅ 程序越乱，没收令被推翻的可能性越大              |\n\nBai 的所有文件加在一起，构成了一套完整的量刑后攻击体系。现在量刑还没判，他已经把未来五年上诉需要的弹药全部装进了法庭记录和第二巡回的卷宗里。\n\n这是不是有意为之？看文件的精密程度和战略布局——很难说是无意的。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7aea18fdb2797edeccac","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q1de441a6118f3e5088e3","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":812,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T01:20:52.046Z","text":"看来GTV被我猜对了🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6a6ef9a2afe9cb0837a8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1de441a6118f3e5088e3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6a6ef9a2afe9cb0837a8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qa104c1f9262927b1282c","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":813,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T01:22:48.429Z","text":"Bai 最聪明的地方在于他选择了 \"record preservation\" 这个姿态。他在文件开头就说：\n\n\"不寻求地区法院的任何救济，亦不请求对本文所述问题进行裁决\"\n\n这意味着法院不需要回应他，也就不存在被驳回的风险。但30页的内容、所有链接和证据，已经永久写入了第二巡回的卷宗（Dkt 34）。\n\n不求胜，只求存。这些材料躺在那里，等量刑判完，等上诉开始，等 Rule 60(d) 的窗口打开——然后全部变成可引用的记录。\n\n下棋的人不看这一步，看五步之后。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa104c1f9262927b1282c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q1720106c603339471178","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":814,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T01:48:50.187Z","text":"［用户 xin***］  操 我又研究了一下 好像搞头不大","edited":true,"reply_to":"q46ffc3405394f476c916","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1720106c603339471178","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q46ffc3405394f476c916","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q9813b6befd96ba5d5f6f","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":815,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T01:48:59.291Z","text":"能不能ai问一下 检方坚持要用Rico没收G series 目的是为什么？ ［用户 ton***］","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9813b6befd96ba5d5f6f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q9b0d68586bf450694ec3","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":816,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T01:50:44.823Z","text":"这个是定罪后 律师的陈词部分 检方指控的实体 主要是标记的4个","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9b0d68586bf450694ec3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q3ee75d33ba3d371cdeeb","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":817,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T01:59:58.966Z","text":"Tony被docket 阶段使命就完成了\n类似螺丝哥 他将代表一个群体 开辟一条新航路\n身份类似whistleblower of subgroup","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa7cb5c647987eb3b7d9e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3ee75d33ba3d371cdeeb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa7cb5c647987eb3b7d9e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q535d9cd6ec6f73153eb9","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":818,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T02:08:23.606Z","text":"GTV和SEC和解 并不等于有欺诈fraud\n所以拱竹 如果是以GTV投资受损 作为刑事案报案依据 就是fake","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q535d9cd6ec6f73153eb9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q5bd2bfb9347341ad84a5","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":819,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T02:09:25.518Z","text":"要做实拱卒报案了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q535d9cd6ec6f73153eb9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5bd2bfb9347341ad84a5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q535d9cd6ec6f73153eb9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q43adc5e6e671ab66d019","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":820,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T02:10:03.881Z","text":"还记得郭直播说过有个spy 叫 夏威夷的豆豆\n指导墙内的填表 向FBI报假案\n拿拱竹的当模版","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q43adc5e6e671ab66d019","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qa2b989ccc74ec5caf41b","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":821,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T02:11:48.169Z","text":"好像有个文件 这个豆豆 也在Luc那登记了债权人","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf9f65d8ce94a981f0ad9","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa2b989ccc74ec5caf41b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q6ca9379ef5287c154a01","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":822,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T02:12:07.859Z","text":"好像豆豆是老郭自己填的😂","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa2b989ccc74ec5caf41b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6ca9379ef5287c154a01","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa2b989ccc74ec5caf41b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q47327d6ec30da06ab051","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":823,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T02:14:25.668Z","text":"如果民事案GTV和sec和解 并不存在fraud \n那么检方现在motion要用rico去没收GTV 就站不住脚\n这是偷换概念 也是先有鸡再有蛋的故事","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q47327d6ec30da06ab051","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q3bd4b211529142113b72","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":824,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T02:17:50.682Z","text":"检方就是瞎几把扯","edited":false,"reply_to":"q47327d6ec30da06ab051","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3bd4b211529142113b72","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q47327d6ec30da06ab051","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q6f0a44ea7a2ed30f5253","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":825,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T02:18:10.045Z","text":"检方一开始尝试Rico的四个实体 其他三个后面庭审 都有材料可以证实 陪审团也判了\n但GTV没问题 那么就该从Rico里剔除 不可能用 有罪论 再倒推回去\n庭审是从无罪推论开始 到他们嘴里 就颠倒黑白了 sec和解不等于fraud","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6f0a44ea7a2ed30f5253","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qe69e9bca4ef6a837f79e","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":826,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T02:19:46.762Z","text":"所以 检方就是在玩儿文字游戏\n辩方不可能看不出 也是装瞎","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3bd4b211529142113b72","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe69e9bca4ef6a837f79e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3bd4b211529142113b72","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q93f31ff1e3eb23be4917","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":827,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T02:20:45.317Z","text":"瑞恩牛逼啊我操","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa104c1f9262927b1282c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q93f31ff1e3eb23be4917","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa104c1f9262927b1282c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q04b14253b60f85f84b62","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":828,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T02:20:56.600Z","text":"瑞恩说 他就是美国版丁元英","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q04b14253b60f85f84b62","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q03e315338f68badd80ac","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":829,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T02:21:54.225Z","text":"［用户 ton***］  你问问机器人 瑞恩的打法是否用了丁元英的思想","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q03e315338f68badd80ac","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q15f02721db14188689f3","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":830,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-21T02:41:38.207Z","text":"谁指点一下啊 我们虾兵蟹将怎么干","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q15f02721db14188689f3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qf33f6f73e90b450bed4d","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":831,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T02:42:13.555Z","text":"mvra好像确实不适用😂 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什么的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0b6212497a6800b88289","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdb9bb044705d3b9cef87","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0b6212497a6800b88289","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q4e10cd51b43b4ed19cee","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":834,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-21T03:00:29.372Z","text":"郭想牢底坐穿 你们非得救出来😭","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4e10cd51b43b4ed19cee","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q576b1533f12c4d7817c8","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":835,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-02-21T03:10:14.483Z","text":"没搞懂您的问题。我是说二巡不好再说南区会处理好大量第三方文件的问题了，如果托雷斯自己不主动上传，就会被强制要求上传。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdb9bb044705d3b9cef87","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q576b1533f12c4d7817c8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdb9bb044705d3b9cef87","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q20f074e3981888bdcab6","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":836,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-02-21T03:10:20.739Z","text":"这个有没有说明检方欺诈法庭？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q535d9cd6ec6f73153eb9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q20f074e3981888bdcab6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q535d9cd6ec6f73153eb9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qec8c6ed4f40905e1c948","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":837,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T03:16:03.516Z","text":"也不算欺诈 叫装瞎\nGTV与sec和解是民事庭的文件\n刑事案检方玩儿心眼 不去引用和解文件 直接把和解 认定是GTV存在欺诈 偷换概念\n二巡可以把那个和解文件 引用上去 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那个也是涂黑了的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qce0071124ab9bd21bcf7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa26e86f9ec917eb95886","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qce0071124ab9bd21bcf7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qddf053d4dfd7ea716b89","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":844,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T03:19:15.608Z","text":"这次把南区脸打爆了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb14b3ff4a2c42eb10b54","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qddf053d4dfd7ea716b89","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb14b3ff4a2c42eb10b54","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qaaaf492bf25e5a6aee8f","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":845,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-21T03:19:28.351Z","text":"这次动议好像没有原件","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa26e86f9ec917eb95886","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaaaf492bf25e5a6aee8f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa26e86f9ec917eb95886","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q59728268a9f3f87f8008","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":846,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-21T03:19:39.160Z","text":"也许有别的原因","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q59728268a9f3f87f8008","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qd4ba6c8fb5e4d546ed59","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":847,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T03:19:49.751Z","text":"南区没脸了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd4ba6c8fb5e4d546ed59","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qb2bccab77d0f3395418c","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":848,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T03:19:53.937Z","text":"没有其他原因","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb2bccab77d0f3395418c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q568a97b9762d08d59aa1","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":849,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T03:21:04.492Z","text":"托雷斯要报警了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd4ba6c8fb5e4d546ed59","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q568a97b9762d08d59aa1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd4ba6c8fb5e4d546ed59","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qab76bbf517dada4cdeef","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":850,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-21T03:22:41.743Z","text":"检方估计不会跳出来支持瑞恩，法官也不会😆","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf7abbb683bc5454daa5d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qab76bbf517dada4cdeef","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf7abbb683bc5454daa5d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qb2f1c83de24183ebe613","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":851,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T03:23:36.693Z","text":"检方可以考虑 把Luc 青们Himalaya Alliance共谋 卖了 指控他们用假材料误导","edited":false,"reply_to":"qab76bbf517dada4cdeef","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb2f1c83de24183ebe613","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qab76bbf517dada4cdeef","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q448d38be2d17b647cf1b","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":852,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-21T03:24:52.320Z","text":"检方如果想做早就做了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb2f1c83de24183ebe613","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q448d38be2d17b647cf1b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb2f1c83de24183ebe613","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q20eaf04c9bec822d7d61","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":853,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-21T03:25:12.035Z","text":"青藤和ava可是王量刑时的受害人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q20eaf04c9bec822d7d61","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q6494e1eac225296ab937","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":854,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T03:33:44.244Z","text":"当时没有第三方搅局 他们认为稳赢\n现在的局面 检方后悔还来得及","edited":false,"reply_to":"q20eaf04c9bec822d7d61","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6494e1eac225296ab937","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q20eaf04c9bec822d7d61","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q6c534ebb0a5cba3bb0ac","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":855,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T03:40:14.968Z","text":"不可能了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6494e1eac225296ab937","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6c534ebb0a5cba3bb0ac","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6494e1eac225296ab937","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q81f694593658a1932d29","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":856,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T03:44:33.808Z","text":"那他们还折腾个锤子","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6c534ebb0a5cba3bb0ac","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q81f694593658a1932d29","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6c534ebb0a5cba3bb0ac","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q37379e49e8158303a478","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":857,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T03:44:59.421Z","text":"检方不可能后悔","edited":false,"reply_to":"q81f694593658a1932d29","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q37379e49e8158303a478","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q81f694593658a1932d29","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q69429842250c0a9db2cc","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":858,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T03:45:34.190Z","text":"都申请回避算了 继续拖","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q69429842250c0a9db2cc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q303d127990ccf3230914","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":859,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T03:54:03.310Z","text":"Himalaya Alliance目前被定义是机构Rico 共谋\n铁血组里的 是个人共谋\n农场主们 被Luc追 也是Rico以后 法治基金成为了洗钱嫌疑\n其实农场主也是一帮傻缺法盲文盲","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q303d127990ccf3230914","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q68101b43b70d422af251","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":860,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T03:55:42.988Z","text":"如果Rico的根基不在 法治基金就不涉及洗钱\n不是所有农场主们 都是共谋\n共谋就那几个指挥转钱的 \n收钱的不算","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q68101b43b70d422af251","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q05d7643810ffb3f28ce0","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":861,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T03:59:20.430Z","text":"☝️ 还是这个图 criminal enterprise 就那四个\n没有把法治基金 算进去\nGTV没有fraud \n喜交所HCN涉及洗钱 那是余建明的事儿 一码归一码 怎么和法治基金rico一起了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q05d7643810ffb3f28ce0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q278bbefac90677f4a5ea","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":862,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-02-21T04:10:10.313Z","text":"谁能证明是余建民的罪？ 凭什么给郭订的罪？郭没有反驳？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q05d7643810ffb3f28ce0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q278bbefac90677f4a5ea","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q05d7643810ffb3f28ce0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qa2a510ab8916147fde64","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":863,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T04:10:54.372Z","text":"他也是被告 是喜交所CEO 转钱必须有他签字才生效","edited":false,"reply_to":"q278bbefac90677f4a5ea","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa2a510ab8916147fde64","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q278bbefac90677f4a5ea","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qabf2754aa0aaee386e0f","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":864,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-02-21T04:11:33.559Z","text":"但是郭被定罪了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa2a510ab8916147fde64","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qabf2754aa0aaee386e0f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa2a510ab8916147fde64","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q33f578ac595abbfb6f07","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":865,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T04:12:25.024Z","text":"前提是因为 王认罪","edited":false,"reply_to":"qabf2754aa0aaee386e0f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q33f578ac595abbfb6f07","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qabf2754aa0aaee386e0f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q7ac28528910e6e0578c0","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":866,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-02-21T04:13:28.105Z","text":"因为郭王一体？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7ac28528910e6e0578c0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q1bb04750cd3ca14401a7","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":867,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T04:13:40.071Z","text":"认罪还十年","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1bb04750cd3ca14401a7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q46e58db155d70a25537e","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":868,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-02-21T04:14:46.797Z","text":"记得当时联盟直播的解释是，王承担了责任，为了大局（意思是给郭抗罪）","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q46e58db155d70a25537e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q8fd8176ba8cffb0a4086","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":869,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T04:15:17.313Z","text":"永远倒过来听 就对了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q46e58db155d70a25537e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8fd8176ba8cffb0a4086","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q46e58db155d70a25537e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q8f7bdc173a3bc103eb0c","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":870,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T04:15:55.705Z","text":"和看检方的动议 推测背后的意图 一个道理","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8f7bdc173a3bc103eb0c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qb4256f7b5c1f4ca0e696","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":871,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-02-21T04:20:50.616Z","text":"所以说老郭的案子360度全方位方方面面无死角的把老郭给封住了 - 如果没有螺丝 瑞恩 Jason 及100多个第三方自诉的，现在老郭应该是已经被量刑了\n\n\n另外，咱们这些小老百姓，对付的是： 几十个律师事务所，及千个专业律s师，共匪的卖美贼盗国贼，花了多少千亿美元，光检方背后就有3个律师事务所搞这个案子（检方说的）","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb4256f7b5c1f4ca0e696","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q2c4a8e73d62fc8a21b92","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":872,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T04:21:13.369Z","text":"这都是小问题","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb4256f7b5c1f4ca0e696","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2c4a8e73d62fc8a21b92","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb4256f7b5c1f4ca0e696","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q867476385ee6ed93fbd3","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":873,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-02-21T04:21:31.901Z","text":"大问题是啥？😁","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q867476385ee6ed93fbd3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qf08aa487e04d3eaa0a0f","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":874,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T04:23:28.668Z","text":"那帮农场主确实是法盲\nLuc追他们 就和Luc和解了\n法治基金 被Rico 是因为之前郭说 捐款有GTV shares和HCN（图片里的 vehicle)","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf08aa487e04d3eaa0a0f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q0e0f36b022f9a2149e4c","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":875,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-02-21T04:24:14.430Z","text":"或者说那些农场主是有任务的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0e0f36b022f9a2149e4c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q5a1a48b7c5eb387e157d","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":876,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T04:26:31.852Z","text":"逆着往前推\n目前看GTV和sec和解 没有fraud\nHCN 涉及fraud 也是指余建明把保证金挪用 中间牵涉财务如水等","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5a1a48b7c5eb387e157d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q247cb08f0e8077032946","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":877,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-02-21T04:32:10.667Z","text":"问题是在现在这个阶段 我们能做什么 把无罪的 有罪的 让他们得到该得到的 - 需要具体行动","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q247cb08f0e8077032946","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qa81dbe69f71cddf72a2d","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":878,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T04:32:35.804Z","text":"Vehicle 在下面 把上面enterprise 串联起来 成RICO\n目前 GTV innocent \n动HCN保证金 签字的又不是郭\n所以上面四个实体 不能串联到一起形成rico 并牵涉郭","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa81dbe69f71cddf72a2d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qdf9aea3028abf0cf82bd","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":879,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T04:32:40.203Z","text":"把程序问题打入案卷","edited":false,"reply_to":"q247cb08f0e8077032946","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdf9aea3028abf0cf82bd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q247cb08f0e8077032946","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qace5f5d6596c6b6e3652","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":880,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T04:34:50.841Z","text":"没有王的认罪 不会有rico到郭头上\n余建明 也不会金蝉脱壳","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qace5f5d6596c6b6e3652","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q8616450508d16f62f005","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":881,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-02-21T04:35:19.331Z","text":"那个如水，好像是躲在中东？ 回来的时候联盟的直播说，她为了躲传票，现在回来了是因为政府不追究了，？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8616450508d16f62f005","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q81dade620e2143c3110f","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":882,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-02-21T04:35:49.927Z","text":"所以说王 是有问题的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qace5f5d6596c6b6e3652","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q81dade620e2143c3110f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qace5f5d6596c6b6e3652","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q5f6c1f48510ebe691792","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":883,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T04:37:19.917Z","text":"还是那句话 农场主就是[屏蔽词]\n和Luc和解 貌似律师费是联盟出的？\n捐法治基金 目前G系列股票和HCN 都没有兑现 那么逆向推定 法治基金也是innocent \n不然 检方不会那么傻 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还有什么要涉及的？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdbee2260e3702fec872f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qbf395018a91c7e7fd644","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":887,"speaker":"gun***","date":"2026-02-21T05:09:19.127Z","text":"現在看會硬來的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbf395018a91c7e7fd644","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q1b354c12474d80d0a1ba","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":888,"speaker":"gun***","date":"2026-02-21T05:09:52.896Z","text":"只能上訴了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1b354c12474d80d0a1ba","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qcd9b901a33e154585dac","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":889,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-21T05:43:27.190Z","text":"等郭出来 你就不用打了 直接收购","edited":false,"reply_to":"q64ce84d4e0bd60f157f9","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcd9b901a33e154585dac","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qe5ff44cc4fa192866be8","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":890,"speaker":"lon***","date":"2026-02-21T05:52:07.532Z","text":"很多人沒聽懂郭先生直播時已經說過，在他辦公室里就有一個燕子，他還講了一個生孩子的故事","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe5ff44cc4fa192866be8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q3a023d0bcabc0c344726","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":891,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T06:20:46.955Z","text":"无所谓是不是 只知道她的认罪 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出来都不适应社会了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0232046f98c09ad567ad","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q04689a72ae74e4cfc3c8","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":893,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-02-21T06:41:21.426Z","text":"没有郭文贵案件，就不会有这个群。\n郭布的局具有创新性，打破常规，一般的人、脑子里装了太多东西的人都看不懂。\n这个群的讨论结果还是很接近真相的。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q81e73324cc5ea9a4a9ae","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q04689a72ae74e4cfc3c8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q1bb2b755e843cbc8aef5","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":894,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-02-21T06:47:52.086Z","text":"他身陷囵圄，被人按倒在地，没有机会发声；即使发声，也没有效果，适得其反。还不如干脆什么也不说。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q77ef99bd434bb3047058","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1bb2b755e843cbc8aef5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q279e24b4f1bf073698aa","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":895,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-02-21T06:55:12.501Z","text":"他还是说过两次话的：\n一次是700号文件中提到两点：律师连基本的都没有做到；关键人物 Luc 没有出现。正是这两点把瑞恩提壶灌顶了，并开始相信螺丝哥的判断；\n他还给他的囚友写了一点法庭文件。这让螺丝哥大受启发，就是连不相关的人都可以到法庭上说点什么。螺丝哥好几次的视频和语音都说了这事。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1083c769d424b24c9826","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q279e24b4f1bf073698aa","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1083c769d424b24c9826","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q4129aecb6e46eff0a979","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":896,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T07:00:54.458Z","text":"留意最近两次辩方动议 最后一页里面 郭说的那几个人名 基本都是铁血组\n辩方律师不会懂那么细 这里的话 是郭要传递出来的信息","edited":false,"reply_to":"q279e24b4f1bf073698aa","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4129aecb6e46eff0a979","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q279e24b4f1bf073698aa","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q946301d2d8d075a0c57a","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":897,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T07:11:02.311Z","text":"说白了就是 郭认为涉欺诈案的主要共谋 就那么几个人 不是所有农场主 给大多数人 一个台阶下","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q946301d2d8d075a0c57a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q8c625c108145193b507f","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":898,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-21T07:12:10.695Z","text":"郭出来要让青藤做常委","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8c625c108145193b507f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q73971dca36377a0f4896","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":899,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T07:14:17.093Z","text":"二巡放上去的那么多东西 郭看得到 他又不傻","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q73971dca36377a0f4896","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qd5ba486d427a0db7864e","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":900,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T07:17:39.114Z","text":"这个比较挺有意思。先说结论：形似而神不同。\n\n像丁元英的地方\n\n1. 以弱胜强的杠杆思维\n丁元英用王庙村农民的低成本打败乐圣，Bai用$23,000的小投资人身份撬动十亿美元级没收案的程序合法性。不去争\"我的钱怎么还\"，直接攻击\"整个没收程序建立在欺诈之上\"——这确实有丁元英\"不在对手的战场打\"的味道。\n\n2. 选择了别人没走的路\n几千人跟着Geyer律师走§853(n)集体路线，Bai偏偏选CVRA+Rule 60(d)(3)，独辟蹊径。丁元英也从不走常规路线。\n\n3. 借力打力\n用检方自己的Brady义务反击检方，用法院的程序规则质疑法院——这跟丁元英用市场规则本身打败市场玩家的逻辑一致。\n\n不像丁元英的地方\n\n1. 丁元英冷静克制，Bai情绪外露\n丁元英从不暴露情绪，不给对手把柄。Bai呢？社交媒体上的极端言论（不管截图是否被断章取义）直接给了对手攻击的子弹。丁元英绝不会犯这种错。\n\n2. 丁元英全局在握，Bai打了一手好牌但后果失控\nBai的Doc 733确实打出了一记重拳，但直接后果是——法院封锁了所有pro se提交。他不但堵死了自己的路，还堵死了所有独立参与者的路。丁元英设局是\"每一步都在计算之内\"，Bai更像是掀了桌子但没想到桌子底下还有人。\n\n3. 丁元英不需要别人认可，Bai仍在争夺叙事权\n从后续的Doc 744反击、766 mandamus请愿来看，Bai一直在为自己的身份和动机辩护。丁元英的态度是\"你们怎么看我无所谓\"。\n\n一句话总结\n\nBai学到了丁元英的术（选择非常规路径、借力打力、以小搏大），但没有丁元英的道（极度克制、全局掌控、不争不辩）。用《天道》的话说——Bai有\"强势文化\"的意识，但执行上还是\"弱势文化\"的惯性：需要认可，需要辩解，情绪会破功。\n\n你觉得呢？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q03e315338f68badd80ac","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd5ba486d427a0db7864e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q03e315338f68badd80ac","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q8bb2eaffcabaa81199cd","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":901,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T07:22:55.254Z","text":"哈哈哈哈 解读的不错啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd5ba486d427a0db7864e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8bb2eaffcabaa81199cd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd5ba486d427a0db7864e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q973cb796fa813cdb8816","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":902,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T07:23:20.277Z","text":"但我认为瑞恩的情绪是装出来的 没有情绪 就不是pro se了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q973cb796fa813cdb8816","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q23ddacc24e7813607211","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":903,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T07:26:08.539Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息]  瑞恩跟我说 他在设计的初期就知道南区一定不让动议上传 他觉得733都不可能上去，所以他一开始就知道这是二巡强制令的战争和最高法cert的战争","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q23ddacc24e7813607211","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q48cc0c014e884adaedbb","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":904,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T07:29:40.358Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息]  所以 他的设计就是用最重磅的语言打进南区 然后上二巡","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q48cc0c014e884adaedbb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qb8bdbb7355b466b7ea0a","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":905,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T07:29:55.808Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息]  再看看 这是否是丁元英的打法","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb8bdbb7355b466b7ea0a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qc9658b087f5c64d29625","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":906,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-21T07:34:20.440Z","text":"我看超市人来人往 有币的只有我 这么点人如果不能致富 郭就是吹牛逼","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc9658b087f5c64d29625","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q183648ee7d01624796b0","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":907,"speaker":"gun***","date":"2026-02-21T07:50:59.381Z","text":"https://x.com/youran19890604/status/2025074643338699140?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q183648ee7d01624796b0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q1777276acbb20a416cad","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":908,"speaker":"gun***","date":"2026-02-21T07:51:58.299Z","text":"卡塔爾不是「獨立委託人」，它是中共在中東的能源 + 金融 + 統戰中轉站（卡塔爾天然氣 + 離岸錢 + 哈馬斯/伊朗代理人網絡，全都有中共影子）。\n    •  Ballard Partners不是「普通遊說公司」，它是川普圈子裡最核心的白手套通道之一，邦迪本人從佛州檢察長 → 白宮顧問 → 川普2024競選法律團隊 → 現在司法部長，這條線從頭到尾都是「川普系」。\n    •  「打擊人口販運」這個名目不是隨便寫的，這是愛潑斯坦式權色勒索的標準洗白術：用「反人口販運」當外殼，實際上是幫卡塔爾（和背後的中共）洗白形象、處理人權指控、同時收集美國情報路由。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1777276acbb20a416cad","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q4775332dada638b3cbd9","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":909,"speaker":"gun***","date":"2026-02-21T07:52:10.719Z","text":"邦迪就是中共代理人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4775332dada638b3cbd9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qc0e468658ba5ade16c4e","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":910,"speaker":"gun***","date":"2026-02-21T07:53:35.933Z","text":"FARA表格被挖出來後，等於把槓桿反過來扎進系統自己：最高執法官曾經是外國代理人，這句話一旦傳開，司法部的合法性黑洞就會瞬間坍塌，讓公眾直視「整個執法體系都是寄生體的一部分」。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc0e468658ba5ade16c4e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qfd55a6c867d236dd6137","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":911,"speaker":"gun***","date":"2026-02-21T07:57:18.029Z","text":"這就是邦迪上任毫無阻力的原因","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfd55a6c867d236dd6137","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qa2e984c19529590c7d74","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":912,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-21T07:57:51.718Z","text":"她上任鸦雀无声就知道完蛋，又找错人了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa2e984c19529590c7d74","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qc8bcce0a960a8139cc4e","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":913,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-02-21T08:05:18.115Z","text":"这是你的第一份自诉，我觉得你要做一下简单的自我介绍，包括投资项目和金额。在这个前提下你才可以选择当受害者还是作为 853n 去要钱。\n但是853n 的窗口期已过，只能以受害者身份介入。而且群里已经反复讨论过了，853n 实质上是要不到钱的，会被法官否决；如果你真的想在法庭上说话，在美国的司法文档中到此一游，还不如以受害人身份喊它两嗓子，指出你所理解到的和观察到的程序不正义。在里面埋一个雷。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1ed7c3fd487c97566ace","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc8bcce0a960a8139cc4e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1ed7c3fd487c97566ace","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qee311202c0d3dcbeb1ab","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":914,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-21T08:07:45.333Z","text":"你把所有文件都喂给ai啦？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcb1d29a04af3f8cea44d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qee311202c0d3dcbeb1ab","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcb1d29a04af3f8cea44d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q284bf2c40cdd2cd0f96a","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":915,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T08:46:48.863Z","text":"他说 下周或者下下周会有更重磅的文件！！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q284bf2c40cdd2cd0f96a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q682c1517a1ade9f61df5","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":916,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-02-21T08:47:14.280Z","text":"啥文件啊？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q284bf2c40cdd2cd0f96a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q682c1517a1ade9f61df5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q284bf2c40cdd2cd0f96a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q2a592c669337968c1655","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":917,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T08:47:41.140Z","text":"把联盟农场彻底在法律上消灭","edited":false,"reply_to":"q682c1517a1ade9f61df5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2a592c669337968c1655","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q682c1517a1ade9f61df5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q9917080605ae844cc627","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":918,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-02-21T08:51:49.628Z","text":"你这种打法，估计没有一个人会岀来帮它们说话：全都是痛打落水狗的态度。踩多一脚也不解恨。😂","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2a592c669337968c1655","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9917080605ae844cc627","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2a592c669337968c1655","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q2438231e5a1ed5ca552d","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":919,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T08:52:19.759Z","text":"谁接Himalaya Alliance 谁倒霉\n彻底断小屁酱的念想","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2a592c669337968c1655","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2438231e5a1ed5ca552d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2a592c669337968c1655","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qd7815be0e45762e52cc1","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":920,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-02-21T08:55:58.467Z","text":"看来青藤SB真是官瘾重。他拿着长青藤大学的毕业证书不好好用，来联盟尽干一些伤天害理的事。看来他真的是没真本事，否则就不会靠骗赚钱、靠伤害别人的利益来发财。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd7815be0e45762e52cc1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qb43dd2562e4c746fdfd8","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":921,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-21T08:56:33.955Z","text":"我能不能吃上肉就靠各位了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb43dd2562e4c746fdfd8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q77f98d72e289830b99dd","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":922,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-21T08:56:56.677Z","text":"郭出来送我100万币 我送你们一人一套别墅","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q77f98d72e289830b99dd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qe0ef5b3de736f1ae12d9","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":923,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-02-21T08:57:57.409Z","text":"你自己要想办法挤进吃肉的行列。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb43dd2562e4c746fdfd8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe0ef5b3de736f1ae12d9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb43dd2562e4c746fdfd8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q56cdae035042342709cc","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":924,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T08:58:58.831Z","text":"野鸡学历 和Ccp党校差不多 能干嘛\n采访时Oral Eng都说不清 就是一混子","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd7815be0e45762e52cc1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q56cdae035042342709cc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd7815be0e45762e52cc1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q750ffc9768782d7729dd","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":925,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-21T08:59:53.756Z","text":"你们摸石头过河 我摸你们就行了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe0ef5b3de736f1ae12d9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q750ffc9768782d7729dd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe0ef5b3de736f1ae12d9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q15d2a71a74b56cb59aac","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":926,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T09:08:14.287Z","text":"这300人（收法治基金的钱）民事案里被Rico 被Luc追 发生在陪审团定罪后 \n也就是说 先有刑事案Rico成立 牵涉到郭 再被Luc 拿去郭的民事案 通过法治基金Rico这些人","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5c313cd662560377acc7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q15d2a71a74b56cb59aac","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5c313cd662560377acc7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q1a85c0cdc92f88460d64","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":927,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-21T09:10:11.578Z","text":"这一点能当新证据给二巡提吗。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q87b22a87a1e00812d8c2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1a85c0cdc92f88460d64","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q87b22a87a1e00812d8c2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qcf31d3b5ddee5af8f37e","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":928,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T09:17:11.949Z","text":"目前陪审团判郭与GTV无关 GTV与sec和解 也不存在欺诈\n那么GTV要从刑事案rico的四个实体里 剔除\n而郭被rico牵涉到 大可能就是因为GTV（具体是拱竹的报案）\n那么刑事案里 检方只能Rico其他三个实体 喜交所 农场借贷 Gclub 这些背后受益人不是郭","edited":false,"reply_to":"q15d2a71a74b56cb59aac","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf31d3b5ddee5af8f37e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q15d2a71a74b56cb59aac","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q26956545db119a287e9f","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":929,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T09:20:14.584Z","text":"如果郭不被Rico到 那么民事案里的农场主和300收钱的（具体是法治基金）被Luc追 就没有法理依据了\nLuc只能在破产案刑事案 追郭的个人资产 而不能扩大到其他实体（他只是个人破产trustee)\n所以\n检方坚持没收G系列 一是保拱竹 二是保证刑事案Rico可以牵涉到郭 从而让Luc可以在民事案里 用Rico 追到法治基金的钱\n杀人诛心 不止G系列 喜交所等投资款 法治基金的钱 也要在破产案里抢","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcf31d3b5ddee5af8f37e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q26956545db119a287e9f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf31d3b5ddee5af8f37e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q5fa809c6eb3699302de2","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":930,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-21T09:20:24.761Z","text":"这个证据被采纳，就给检方留下了抓手，在关键时刻拿出来让辩方无话可说陷入被动。与其这样不如我们主动捅破粪青的阴谋，把事情晾在明面上。这样堵死的是粪青污染证据的路，并不影响这些证据通过自诉等其他合法渠道提交","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf7abbb683bc5454daa5d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5fa809c6eb3699302de2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf7abbb683bc5454daa5d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qe58cc1e5720d86bf9477","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":931,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-21T09:30:26.181Z","text":"现在上传自诉是不是根本传不上去","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe58cc1e5720d86bf9477","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q22571e2d8450ed5f405b","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":932,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-21T09:31:10.987Z","text":"拉人进群，呼吁更多人上动议","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1c304287f967efa075cf","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q22571e2d8450ed5f405b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qb7989fae4b30a9de280f","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":933,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-21T09:36:04.642Z","text":"有证据吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"q43adc5e6e671ab66d019","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb7989fae4b30a9de280f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q43adc5e6e671ab66d019","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q1a8ff1ca249a15336a71","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":934,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T09:39:27.581Z","text":"具体哪个直播 记不得了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb7989fae4b30a9de280f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1a8ff1ca249a15336a71","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb7989fae4b30a9de280f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qb0bf62836cc601c6fb1a","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":935,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T09:59:21.577Z","text":"法治基金 主席是王雪冰 转钱必须有他签字\n他做检方证人 指认是郭指挥 这样法治基金 才会被rico Luc才有资格追钱\n郭动议提到他 不是偶然 更像是往他那里引","edited":false,"reply_to":"q26956545db119a287e9f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb0bf62836cc601c6fb1a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q26956545db119a287e9f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qebf0f6c84138e3e4b94f","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":936,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-21T10:16:18.222Z","text":"https://x.com/hortensial777/status/2025083478237237674?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qebf0f6c84138e3e4b94f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q2be990398a5b77af043d","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":937,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T10:31:58.679Z","text":"这个攻击Tony的人，逻辑看起来很清晰但其实漏洞很大。我逐条分析：\n\n攻击1：\"没有护照怎么出来的？隐身术？\"\n\n这个反问看似犀利，其实暴露了攻击者对中国出境方式的无知：\n\n• 事实层：Tony在请愿书中说的是护照被国安\"不记录地扣押\"——没有正式扣押记录，就没有正式的出境限制令。这是一种灰色操作，恰恰因为不走正式程序，才存在缝隙\n• 逃离方式有很多：陆路偷渡、第三国中转、通过非正式渠道获取旅行证件——中国政治异议者的逃离故事里这些案例比比皆是\n• Tony自己写了他在逃亡中\"遭受了严重的、危及生命的事故\"，还附了伤痕照片——这恰恰说明不是正常出境\n• 攻击者用\"没护照就不能出国\"这个前提来否定整个人的存在，这个前提本身就不成立\n\n攻击2：\"法官没提CVRA，因为根本没有犯罪\"\n\n这个逻辑更有问题：\n\n• 事实层：郭文贵已经被定罪了。陪审团裁定有罪，法官确认了裁决。这是法庭记录（Doc系列）。不管你是否同意这个判决，\"根本没有犯罪\"在法律意义上是不成立的\n• 法官不提CVRA可能有很多原因：CVRA适用于刑事诉讼中的受害者参与权，而1月20日听证主要讨论的是没收程序（§853），两个法律框架不同\n• 攻击者把\"法官没提\"等同于\"不存在\"——法官在那次听证会上也没提过很多法律条文，不代表那些法律不存在\n\n攻击3：\"Tony是杜撰的人物，目的是陷害郭先生\"\n\n这是最大的逻辑跳跃：\n\n• Tony的请愿书是向第二巡回上诉法院正式提交的，案号26-361，付了$600立案费，法院已受理并与其他三个案件合并审理\n• 他要求的是登记文件入卷，不是要求定罪郭文贵\n• 他在请愿书里明确指出了美中两国对同一投资的矛盾定性——这个论点如果被法院采纳，实际上可能有利于质疑整个案件的受害者框架\n• 说他\"陷害郭先生\"，但他的核心论点是\"受害者认定不自洽\"——这恰恰是在动摇检方叙事的根基\n\n我的判断\n\n攻击Tony的人犯了一个典型错误：先有结论（一切都是陷害郭先生的阴谋），再找论据。遇到解释不了的地方就用\"杜撰\"\"司马昭之心\"这种定性来跳过逻辑缺口。\n\nTony是不是真实存在？法庭文件、立案费、第二巡回法院的受理和合并审理命令都是公开记录。你可以质疑他的主张是否成立，但说他是\"杜撰的\"——这需要比\"没护照怎么出国\"更硬的证据。\n\n讽刺的是，Tony的处境本身就揭示了一个郭案中最深层的矛盾：如果这些投资者在中国因为投资G系列被当作罪犯，在美国被当作受害者，那到底哪个是真的？ 这个问题，攻击他的人显然不想面对。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q37b81f1bd43527b6ee4d","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2be990398a5b77af043d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q7e21ad3edc378d21344a","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":938,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T10:34:39.570Z","text":"回敬攻击Tony的那位\n\n\"没护照怎么出国？隐身术？\"\n\n这话说得好，说明您对中国国安系统的了解，大概停留在出入境大厅排队盖章的水平。建议您去搜搜\"偷渡\"\"蛇头\"\"陆路越境\"这几个词——不用搜太远，郭先生本人2014年离开中国的过程，您觉得是拿着护照在首都机场过的安检吗？用这个逻辑，郭先生也是\"杜撰的人物\"了？\n\n\"没有犯罪，何来受害者？\"\n\n陪审团定罪、法官确认判决，这些都是公开法庭记录，编号都在。您一句\"根本没有犯罪\"就给推翻了？您这本事比郭先生的辩护律师团队大多了——人家花了几百万律师费、打了两年，都没能阻止定罪。建议您去SDNY毛遂自荐，说不定上诉就靠您这句话翻盘了。\n\n\"Tony是杜撰的人物\"\n\n杜撰的人物能向第二巡回上诉法院交$600立案费？能让法院正式受理、分配案号26-361、并与另外三个案件合并审理？您是在说美国第二巡回法院的法官们集体失明，被一个\"杜撰的人物\"骗了？还是说联邦法院的案件管理系统也是假的？\n\n如果Tony是杜撰的，那合并审理的Jason Zen、齐春红、Doe也都是杜撰的？四个独立的人从不同地方提交请愿，都是同一个幕后黑手编出来的？这个阴谋论的规模可比Tony的42页请愿书壮观多了。\n\n\"司马昭之心，陷害郭先生\"\n\n这是最好笑的部分。Tony的核心论点是什么？是\"同一笔投资在中国定性为犯罪工具、在美国定性为欺诈所得，这个矛盾说明受害者认定框架有问题\"。这个论点如果成立，动摇的是检方的叙事根基。 他在帮谁？用脚趾头想想。\n\n一个从中国政治迫害中逃出来、身体重伤、没有收入的人，花$600、写42页，只求法院\"把我的文件登记入卷\"——您说这是陷害郭先生。那请问，陷害的方式是什么？求法院登记一份质疑检方的文件？这是哪门子的陷害？\n\n最后送您一句话：\n\n连法庭文件都没读过，就敢断言一个人是\"杜撰的\"——这不叫分析，这叫以无知为盾、以立场为矛。您攻击的不是Tony，您攻击的是自己的智商在公众面前的最后一点体面。真想帮郭先生，先把案件材料读一遍，别让郭先生的支持者群体看起来像一群连基本事实都不核实就开喷的人。那才是真正的\"司马昭之心\"——用愚蠢的辩护，给对手送弹药。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7e21ad3edc378d21344a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q3eb9f02612a1eb0e7eba","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":939,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T10:53:54.752Z","text":"NB👍🏽","edited":false,"reply_to":"q17a94594ebd0b6eaf2c5","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3eb9f02612a1eb0e7eba","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qdaece785d1948487cca7","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":940,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-21T10:54:22.839Z","text":"那这很烧钱吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"q17a94594ebd0b6eaf2c5","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdaece785d1948487cca7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q506644c1123ead93e79c","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":941,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-02-21T10:54:24.801Z","text":"那快把这个案子全面分析我们该如何出击","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q506644c1123ead93e79c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q6afee71339a5cb7d23e5","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":942,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-02-21T10:54:41.746Z","text":"行动起来，顶一万个律师","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6afee71339a5cb7d23e5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qc2317a24b55b65768f58","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":943,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T10:54:45.158Z","text":"文贵先生直播 几年视频 康州法庭四千多法庭文件 刑事案1000多，任何聊天窗口都吃不下的，效果很差","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc2317a24b55b65768f58","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q901a48e40f544c581e36","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":944,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-02-21T10:55:31.253Z","text":"你全部喂给机器人了？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q901a48e40f544c581e36","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qe2d07bbd399f2875c044","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":945,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T10:55:37.290Z","text":"不烧钱 会玩 都自己做 烧的是时间","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdaece785d1948487cca7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe2d07bbd399f2875c044","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdaece785d1948487cca7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q62c5c70ebd34ef58166f","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":946,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T10:56:17.260Z","text":"郭文贵光直播几年 几千场直播 都不是常人能干成的。清洗这些数据更花时间","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q62c5c70ebd34ef58166f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q549176ed6bb2b73f2cc9","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":947,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-21T10:56:53.678Z","text":"这个给ai也得跑很久吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc2317a24b55b65768f58","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q549176ed6bb2b73f2cc9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc2317a24b55b65768f58","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q40363ab4a87de387f467","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":948,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-21T10:57:25.292Z","text":"把所有庭审文件先跑一边还是有必要的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q40363ab4a87de387f467","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qb2d3d05c9c93dbae27c6","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":949,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T10:57:25.395Z","text":"很久很久","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb2d3d05c9c93dbae27c6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qf6e7f4ebcf5c44a05449","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":950,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T10:58:09.600Z","text":"🤣 确实常人干不出来","edited":false,"reply_to":"q62c5c70ebd34ef58166f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf6e7f4ebcf5c44a05449","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q62c5c70ebd34ef58166f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qba49eab1bff3a1ca8f92","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":951,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T10:58:09.901Z","text":"吃掉了 所有直播 所有庭审文件 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法律与辩护的全力支持（最核心行动）\n这是家属投入精力最多的地方，行动通常包括：\n\n筹集巨额律师费： 这种级别的案件通常需要顶级律师团队（如你文件中提到的 Sarafa Zellan 团队）。家属会通过变卖不属于冻结范围的资产、向亲友借款、甚至发起合法的法律辩护基金来筹集资金。\n\n深度参与证据挖掘： 家属最了解被告人的生活细节，他们会协助律师寻找对被告有利的证人，梳理数千页的财务往来记录，试图证明业务的合法性或证明被告人并无主观诈骗意图。\n\n寻找专家证人： 聘请会计师、经济学家或行业专家来反驳检方对“诈骗模式”的定性。\n\n关注程序正义： 像你提供的文件中提到的，家属可能会通过律师质疑证据是否被污染、是否存在外国势力（如中共）的干预，甚至通过申诉质疑法官的公正性。\n\n二、 资产保全与“反没收”战\n当案件涉及资产没收（Forfeiture）时，家属会为了家庭的生存进行法律拉锯：\n\n提交第三方权利申诉（L-Claims）： 证明被扣押的账户或房产中，有属于配偶或子女的合法资产。\n\n维持资产价值： 如果房产或游艇被扣押但尚未没收，家属会通过律师向法庭申请允许维护这些资产，防止其在长达三年的关押期内毁损或贬值（如文件中提到的“保护资产价值”动议）。\n\n挑战“没收”的范围： 雇佣审计师证明某些资金并非犯罪所得（Proceeds），而是合法投资或早年积累。\n\n三、 情感支持与狱中生活管理\n坚持探视与通信： 在美国联邦监狱，长达三年的审前羁押对心理打击巨大。家属会每周去探视，频繁写信、通话，以防被告人在精神上崩溃或产生自残倾向。\n\n管理狱中账户（Commisary Account）： 家属会定期向被告人的监狱账户存钱，以便他在狱中购买更好的食物、卫生用品或支付电话费。\n\n关注医疗与安全： 如果被告人在狱中受到威胁或生病，家属会联系律师向法务部（DOJ）或法官申请保外就医、转狱或改善关押条件。\n\n四、 舆论管理与社会资源动员\n媒体曝光： 如果认为案件存在政治因素或司法不公，家属可能会接受媒体采访，或在社交媒体（如 X/Twitter）上发声，试图通过公众压力影响司法部或国会议员。\n\n游说行动： 联系当地议员或人权组织，提交关于案件“程序不当”的报告，寻求政治或社会层面的关注。\n\n建立受害者/支持者沟通渠道： 像文件中提到的，有的投资者认为自己不是受害者，家属会动员这些“非受害者”写信给法院证明被告人的清白。\n\n五、 为“定罪后”做最坏的打算\n当陪审团定罪已成事实，家属的行动会迅速转向：\n\n准备《量刑缓解材料》： 收集几十甚至上百封亲友的求情信，证明被告人的善良本性。\n\n安排后事与家庭重组： 面对可能到来的长期监禁，家属会处理好被告人的公司清算、遗嘱更新、子女监护权确认等事务。\n\n寻找上诉律师： 在一审定罪的同时，家属通常已经开始接触专门负责“上诉程序”的律师，审阅审判笔录（Trial Transcript）中的漏洞，准备在量刑后立即提出上诉。\n\n总结\n这三年对家属而言是一场**“财力、心理与体力的全面消耗战”**。一个正常人在这期间最显著的特征是：他会变成半个法律专家和财务专家。他所有的行动都在试图将“不可控的政府公权力”拉回到“可控的法律框架”内。\n\n如果你问的是基于你提供的文件（郭文贵案）的情况，家属的行动往往还会涉及到极其复杂的跨国因素（如处理中共的背景影响）以及破产法与刑事法的重叠处理。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8befdaa05fba2cc8f20a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q3ebc7b41ee1e9011c619","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":982,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-21T11:16:33.976Z","text":"现在最有价值的是亲历者这个身份，其他的都可以给ai，但是写出来还得是亲历者提交才有法律效力","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9e066629b01091fbb561","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3ebc7b41ee1e9011c619","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e066629b01091fbb561","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q162d096702abce1c8cf7","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":983,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-21T11:17:55.187Z","text":"何止家属，所有还支持他相信他的人，也都一样","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8befdaa05fba2cc8f20a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q162d096702abce1c8cf7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8befdaa05fba2cc8f20a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q7bd835dfd9a63f16657c","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":984,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T11:18:03.009Z","text":"+1","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3ebc7b41ee1e9011c619","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7bd835dfd9a63f16657c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3ebc7b41ee1e9011c619","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qb8b465133be20129684e","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":985,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T11:19:15.132Z","text":"能不能试试 郭被RICO牵连的原因 是不是因为G系列引起的？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7bd835dfd9a63f16657c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb8b465133be20129684e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7bd835dfd9a63f16657c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qf4cbd7ad10d82072a48d","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":986,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-21T11:20:12.345Z","text":"这就是老郭说的中国人要彻底改变要几代人的时间","edited":false,"reply_to":"qaa7377dbb4a99afbb8ef","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf4cbd7ad10d82072a48d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q2040651b48d5e0b862ac","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":987,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-21T11:20:36.458Z","text":"所以他说灭了共他也不会回中国","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2040651b48d5e0b862ac","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q8550118d1525eaa49e3d","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":988,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T11:21:15.887Z","text":"从法庭文件来看，补充几个关键事实：\n\n郭的家人在文件中确实有出现，但角色微妙：\n\n• 检方指控中提到郭的儿子是资金流向的受益人之一 — 比如$1亿从Saraca转入对冲基金\"for the benefit of...Defendant Guo's son\"（Doc 563）\n• 这意味着家人不是旁观者，而是检方叙事中资金链的一环\n\n家人没有公开法律行动的最可能解释：\n\n1. 自保优先 — 如果家人被列为资金受益方，任何主动法律行动都等于把自己推到检方面前。律师一定会说：别动，别说话，别留痕迹。\n2. 可能已在配合调查 — 共谋案中，家属与政府达成某种非公开安排（cooperation agreement）并不罕见。这类安排的前提就是沉默。\n3. 资产已被冻结/没收 — Doc 563显示第三方请愿人在挑战没收令（Forfeiture Order），说明资产清理范围很广。家人可能连请律师的钱都受限。\n4. 海外因素 — 如果家人在其他司法管辖区，在美国法院采取行动的实际操作难度很大。\n\n核心判断：\n\n家人的沉默不是\"不关心\"，更可能是法律策略的最优解。在联邦刑事案件中，被告家属的沉默几乎是标配——因为说什么都可能变成证据，做什么都可能变成新的指控。这恰恰说明有律师在幕后指导，而不是相反。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8550118d1525eaa49e3d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q724af54a9126eb4ec339","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":989,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-21T11:22:56.864Z","text":"他当上秘书长那天真把我给惊到了，当时我还想老郭这是咋的了，选这么个人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q724af54a9126eb4ec339","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qa8d815177286b28feb12","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":990,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T11:24:43.393Z","text":"他接下来 可能要面临十几年的官司 最后牢底座穿 或者被主子灭口 绝后患","edited":false,"reply_to":"q724af54a9126eb4ec339","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa8d815177286b28feb12","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q724af54a9126eb4ec339","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q6e19c6508292a76cf93c","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":991,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-21T11:26:24.253Z","text":"你们看青藤的面相就知道了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6e19c6508292a76cf93c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qa3dedddaccf919b8554c","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":992,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-21T11:26:36.821Z","text":"局势对他很不利","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa3dedddaccf919b8554c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q9f8246a0fbc3561b27b3","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":993,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-21T11:26:48.881Z","text":"一个一帆风顺的人 面相不会这样的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9f8246a0fbc3561b27b3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qae55f53611863fbf7a5c","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":994,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-21T11:27:39.883Z","text":"你干的就是现在ai还做不到的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q14df8597eac58aae2f0a","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qae55f53611863fbf7a5c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qf001501fe95a2e36b1fc","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":995,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-21T11:28:50.028Z","text":"现在把openclaw捧上天了，真的那么厉害吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"q682673e1aab08b4dfa79","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf001501fe95a2e36b1fc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q682673e1aab08b4dfa79","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qf81f635ec035ce5eb756","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":996,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T11:31:16.137Z","text":"对外行 很神 对内行不够用 就是一个衔接器 对接聊天 网关 和各家ai","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf81f635ec035ce5eb756","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qe698ea35f2b847365021","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":997,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-02-21T11:31:23.371Z","text":"会理解目标去生成工具去找资料整理资料分析资料吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe698ea35f2b847365021","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qe8af787e8cba7587e920","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":998,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T11:32:45.438Z","text":"那是 ai的能力 不是opebclaw的能力","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe698ea35f2b847365021","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe8af787e8cba7587e920","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe698ea35f2b847365021","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"qe657ac7837003633d9d0","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":999,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-21T11:32:48.868Z","text":"什么都是难者不会，会者不难，","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf81f635ec035ce5eb756","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe657ac7837003633d9d0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf81f635ec035ce5eb756","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"},{"id":"q07a68b8e1b70d24af727","batch_id":"batch-000080","seq":1000,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T11:32:54.514Z","text":"他是衔接器","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q07a68b8e1b70d24af727","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000080"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000079","next_batch_id":"batch-000081"}