{"id":"batch-000081","number":81,"revision":2,"date_start":"2026-02-21T11:33:04.689Z","date_end":"2026-02-22T18:19:42.784Z","total_messages":1000,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 081 (Feb 21, 2026 – Feb 22, 2026), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. From Feb 21-22, 2026, the thread moved from AI practicality to evidence disputes. Members argued whether average users can self-learn AI tools and whether cost should shape legal strategy. It then centered on identity and verification, with repeated references to Doc 805/CIPA, Doc 294, and Doc 783. Disagreements continued over late post-trial relief, whether judges abused discretion, and whether criminal RICO decisions control civil or bankruptcy arguments involving ROL. Community statements, not court findings.","guide_en":[{"title":"AI entry and the RAG path: self-study feasibility for non-specialists","description":"Participants argue that AI adoption should begin with practical learnability, while others claim ordinary users need to judge what baseline skills are enough for meaningful use. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q6e26b35f541ef1b0ca89","q0778581b61d7d5c3e7d9","q871bb1c4ca23dac5f318"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q6e26b35f541ef1b0ca89","summary_en":"A participant asked whether someone had already built a RAG setup. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q0778581b61d7d5c3e7d9","summary_en":"A participant asked if an ordinary person can self-learn, arguing basic proficiency is enough for personal needs. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q871bb1c4ca23dac5f318","summary_en":"A participant asked what professional groundwork is needed before using the AI approach. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Is RAG outdated and is Opus cost worth it: token spending and model choice","description":"The group disputes whether token costs should drive model choice, with some claiming cheaper workflows exist and others contesting practical budget impact. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qfc48aac62605e20e2cc8","qa0732dca2a7a29f56cb0","q9a95718ccc9cb87b1bb7"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qfc48aac62605e20e2cc8","summary_en":"A participant claimed there are multiple ways to save money and that AI use is not necessarily very costly. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qa0732dca2a7a29f56cb0","summary_en":"A participant asked which provider’s tokens were being consumed. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q9a95718ccc9cb87b1bb7","summary_en":"A participant argued the money spent on this case could have funded training an AI system. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Evidence authenticity and identity attribution: Guo names, defendant scope, and verifying visit/call material","description":"Members contend that identity claims are central and require source checks, disputing broader assumptions with requests to confirm who is actually named. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q817746a7027374fd80eb","qfefe52724fa165c0e1c7","q8505489113c8a057ef40"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q817746a7027374fd80eb","summary_en":"A participant suggested running weekly visit materials through AI to separate a real Guo from an alleged fake identity. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qfefe52724fa165c0e1c7","summary_en":"A participant warned that doing so may be expensive. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q8505489113c8a057ef40","summary_en":"A participant said the actual defendants were Bruno Wu and Samuel Dan Sundberg, not Wang Qishan as a direct defendant, and requested original-document verification. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Evidence verification pivot: original filing index, versioning, and consistency of the record become the fault line","description":"Participants dispute the reliability of sourcing itself, claiming that file indexing and version control determine whether claims are verifiable. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q3350555c66973ed2a032","q3b700a696c1e8cb36ba4","qed01d6ea779b54189a53"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q3350555c66973ed2a032","summary_en":"A participant asked whether original court records were available. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q3b700a696c1e8cb36ba4","summary_en":"A participant requested the case number. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qed01d6ea779b54189a53","summary_en":"A participant supplied the identifier 162069/2018. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Core procedural dispute: 361/805, Doc 805/CIPA, and why second-review timing is tied to statute and procedural dismissal","description":"Participants claim the key fight is whether post-trial timing blocks renewed relief, while others dispute whether a second-cycle review can still shift momentum. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q668e4117c5c3f16549e3","q2b843dc49d30ef665f06","q1e311e2942dcf52dabc3"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q668e4117c5c3f16549e3","summary_en":"A participant posted a long summary claiming Doc 805 was denied, stating a prior Doc 294 in-camera review was decisive, that broader sentencing scope was insufficient to relitigate, and that the motion was late after the 2024-07-18 jury verdict under Local Rule 49.1(b). Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q2b843dc49d30ef665f06","summary_en":"A participant suggested a second-review push might alter the Southern District dynamic. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q1e311e2942dcf52dabc3","summary_en":"A participant argued the second review is not mandatory and would mainly function as a prompt. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Judge discretion bounds: abuse of bias or lawful discretion, and whether evidence must be substantively reviewed","description":"Community members contend the legal debate is over judicial discretion, with some claiming compliant application of law and others disputing whether substantive review has been missed. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q7ecc4fef92c5c9bb5182","q7c90b30c211cf2bb3e41","q53c97de2f3f8b8226fc3"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q7ecc4fef92c5c9bb5182","summary_en":"A participant argued there was no legal violation and characterized the judge as acting within legal bounds, then said the defense behavior looked improper. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q7c90b30c211cf2bb3e41","summary_en":"A participant said they would send a report later. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q53c97de2f3f8b8226fc3","summary_en":"A participant claimed the person was a professional and had not left leverage or evidence against others. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Defense effectiveness and rights concerns: CJA panel counsel independence, ineffective-assistance claims, and pro se strategy","description":"Members claim counsel performance is in dispute: some allege superficial advocacy as ineffective, while others dispute that and describe the representation as adequate. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qdb663555154e5bfda231","q1ba0d553a377f6316255","qaff3bddb003d6743b016"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qdb663555154e5bfda231","summary_en":"A participant argued the defense only offered mild, non-substantive points and amounted to ineffective assistance. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q1ba0d553a377f6316255","summary_en":"A participant stated that Guo is currently represented by a CJA panel lawyer. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qaff3bddb003d6743b016","summary_en":"Another participant contended that the defense received was not problematic. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Evidence and record chain: whether Exhibit F is verifiable and whether sealing and authenticity claims hold","description":"The group argues that Exhibit F is central evidence, while others dispute the extent to which it can be independently authenticated because of the sealed format. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qf9399c841acc1a67f34b","qbcc878834066a6389505","q28044d8e441bb99dedfa"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qf9399c841acc1a67f34b","summary_en":"A participant made a rhetorical comment about a person risking themselves. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qbcc878834066a6389505","summary_en":"A participant argued Exhibit F was the core physical evidence because it is framed as official Chinese judicial material supporting multiple narrative points, and warned that the analysis depended on under-seal references without direct adversarial inspection. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q28044d8e441bb99dedfa","summary_en":"A participant replied with brief acknowledgment ('yes'). Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Strategy split: court pressure and public confrontation versus filing-focused and appellate-record preservation","description":"Participants dispute priorities, with some favoring courtroom disruption and public pressure while others argue the strategy should prioritize filings and record-building for appeal. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q151477fc0b65d3e9ffab","q550cd21f37f85807d8f7","q193a43d04f63399acc9a"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q151477fc0b65d3e9ffab","summary_en":"A participant urged taking direct courtroom action and support-facing pressure. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q550cd21f37f85807d8f7","summary_en":"A participant urged submitting livestream clips, saying Guo opposed it and that three specific episodes were prepared for that purpose. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q193a43d04f63399acc9a","summary_en":"A participant noted that the argument strategy was framed as a free-speech position. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"External-power narratives and legal friction: CCP, foreign contamination, and systemic corruption versus verifiable evidence standards","description":"Participants contend that political narratives are heavily influencing community framing, while others stress that only verifiable evidence can anchor argument quality. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q58763e080ad2a6f975e0","qea004b8e07a6f683b1f2"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q58763e080ad2a6f975e0","summary_en":"A participant claimed there was CCP pressure and said the disclosure-revelation movement lacked talent. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qea004b8e07a6f683b1f2","summary_en":"A participant labeled the situation as systemic corruption. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Community narrative struggle: alliance, victim role, and shifting faction labels undermining trust","description":"Members dispute narrative alignment, with some observing opportunistic factional behavior and role-switching, while others caution that labels are destabilizing collective trust. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qf0b651fc0535500622f3","qf818270e1f5f8e2a8e8b","qb54bd1d7df53c3b594e8"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qf0b651fc0535500622f3","summary_en":"A participant observed that attendance at the second hearing seemed to attract many fence-sitters. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf818270e1f5f8e2a8e8b","summary_en":"A participant speculated that some participants may be operating with alternate accounts. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qb54bd1d7df53c3b594e8","summary_en":"A participant suggested re-framing a role from victim of Guo to victim of the alliance. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"RICO linkage dispute: whether removing criminal RICO automatically severs civil and bankruptcy RICO recovery paths","description":"Participants contest how RICO concepts connect across proceedings, with one side insisting on automatic separation and the other emphasizing independent statutory tracks. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q959307f909464020e3cf","q26cbb73140ea7af11758","q1e33ba9c01431060af69"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q959307f909464020e3cf","summary_en":"A participant explained that criminal, civil, and bankruptcy RICO are different systems with different standards, so criminal outcomes do not automatically bar civil or bankruptcy RICO use against ROL. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q26cbb73140ea7af11758","summary_en":"A participant argued that without criminal RICO against Guo, Luc cannot automatically extend that criminal framing into a civil RICO attack on ROL. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q1e33ba9c01431060af69","summary_en":"Another participant disputed that position, saying the civil/recovery theory depends on criminal RICO and that a criminal dismissal of Guo would cut Luc’s ROL connection. Community statements, not court 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要求翻案 超过 第三方能引用的任何法律条款的范围 那些条款都没那么大效力","edited":false,"reply_to":"q69cdc2c87fe50b9d8c54","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1dec7b6d371ddea97e9f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q69cdc2c87fe50b9d8c54","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q48f4e8fae8a70a9e7bd2","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":204,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T14:53:48.569Z","text":"搅浑水而已 只能这么说。反击靠主力 靠被告自己","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q48f4e8fae8a70a9e7bd2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qa326692f92d39543feeb","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":205,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-21T14:54:16.041Z","text":"哪里眉来眼去了？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8cafdca2282638a8a1a2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa326692f92d39543feeb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8cafdca2282638a8a1a2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q5ab8da71c2959a0f5d1e","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":206,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T14:54:20.409Z","text":"那就是被告觉得 时机还没到 或者他就是被坑了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q48f4e8fae8a70a9e7bd2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5ab8da71c2959a0f5d1e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q48f4e8fae8a70a9e7bd2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q6e5e00635298ed9aed52","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":207,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-02-21T14:54:48.512Z","text":"电话，不会都假吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa326692f92d39543feeb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6e5e00635298ed9aed52","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa326692f92d39543feeb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q9b7dd8a3c65cb5fb4856","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":208,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-21T14:54:49.031Z","text":"第三方根本翻不了案，但是可以保护自己的利益","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9b7dd8a3c65cb5fb4856","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q0f56136fa340f5bba3f4","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":209,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T14:54:58.173Z","text":"pro se 可能推动主力 动一动吧 哈哈","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0f56136fa340f5bba3f4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q3f1b7129aa7006303a38","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":210,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-21T14:56:01.145Z","text":"如果郭真的给同案犯和受害者打电话，那他估计是想牢底做穿了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6e5e00635298ed9aed52","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3f1b7129aa7006303a38","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6e5e00635298ed9aed52","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q4b5ecb325fac6b532978","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":211,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-21T14:56:26.381Z","text":"那他自己都想坐牢50年了，别人还能说什么","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4b5ecb325fac6b532978","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qcf71bcff017cd4862a67","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":212,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-02-21T14:57:01.703Z","text":"https://x.com/hortensial777/status/2025223058907136205?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf71bcff017cd4862a67","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qeaa8ff47dc2b17c5fd51","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":213,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T14:57:13.364Z","text":"文贵先生人生过去每一步 别人打他 ，他都是非常狠的打回去，真善很。每一次都赢。   非常利落。 法律战三年，毫无作为，不应该呀。 就主动的反复要求查看机密文件。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeaa8ff47dc2b17c5fd51","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q3870b2db948adcf472c0","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":214,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T14:57:40.048Z","text":"磨洋工？等美国中期选举？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qeaa8ff47dc2b17c5fd51","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3870b2db948adcf472c0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeaa8ff47dc2b17c5fd51","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qfcb02070425d6dddc685","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":215,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-02-21T14:59:49.637Z","text":"别开玩笑了 - 中期选举如果大选舞弊不解决，输！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfcb02070425d6dddc685","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q9064599a9db0eb03b461","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":216,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T15:04:10.959Z","text":"那完蛋了 [删节：成员身份]那边 也在赌中期选举","edited":true,"reply_to":"qfcb02070425d6dddc685","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9064599a9db0eb03b461","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfcb02070425d6dddc685","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qa3248c94c665394e8216","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":217,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T15:04:35.453Z","text":"那些人都没有逻辑 没有事实 没有资料引用 都是玩文字游戏 其实没必要纠缠","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcf242e81db57d49e1dd0","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa3248c94c665394e8216","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qe5c71a6053162fd2d2f8","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":218,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T15:05:06.479Z","text":"能被文字游戏引导的，就不是我们想要的人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe5c71a6053162fd2d2f8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q5ec4da49e9793386ac06","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":219,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T15:06:04.070Z","text":"爆料革命这事 其实并不需要大众理解  即使灭共后 估计也很少人能理解","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5ec4da49e9793386ac06","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qf6a58bc2e9aba3f0be6f","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":220,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T15:07:02.352Z","text":"你认为会走什么模式？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5ec4da49e9793386ac06","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf6a58bc2e9aba3f0be6f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5ec4da49e9793386ac06","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q9f56b62a7cbdaeab9e70","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":221,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T15:07:19.596Z","text":"Soviet Union 解体还是？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9f56b62a7cbdaeab9e70","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qa7567ea9d8ec4223b50a","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":222,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-02-21T15:08:08.971Z","text":"有道理，和这种智商的人纠缠不值得，他丢的是他自己的脸","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa3248c94c665394e8216","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa7567ea9d8ec4223b50a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa3248c94c665394e8216","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q47d2cf8af456fbee7b5d","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":223,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T15:09:26.345Z","text":"估计 后中共时期。要持续很久很久 即使中共这个组织消失。几代人 一代人还是中共思维，其实还是中共模式。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf6a58bc2e9aba3f0be6f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q47d2cf8af456fbee7b5d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf6a58bc2e9aba3f0be6f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q37aa918d2d3f84969a43","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":224,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T15:09:43.989Z","text":"Agree","edited":false,"reply_to":"q47d2cf8af456fbee7b5d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q37aa918d2d3f84969a43","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q47d2cf8af456fbee7b5d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q8909410eb737fba48893","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":225,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T15:10:08.332Z","text":"跟我们无关  那是他们的事情","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8909410eb737fba48893","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q84a9c2ed27de002ffded","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":226,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T15:10:29.453Z","text":"文贵说的。只负责灭共 中国人自己的智慧解决自己的事情","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q84a9c2ed27de002ffded","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q3a3442d279cf0b12bd93","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":227,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-21T15:10:39.651Z","text":"你可以告诉他，是法官528命令说，可以用cvra介入案件的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcf71bcff017cd4862a67","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3a3442d279cf0b12bd93","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf71bcff017cd4862a67","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qbd040e8332006d29d9e9","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":228,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T15:11:52.174Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息]  我和螺丝哥持一个观点 郭文贵爆料革命七年 想做的事情 就是tony强制令","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbd040e8332006d29d9e9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q84ee6762587cc208f8aa","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":229,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T15:12:15.678Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息]  郭文贵做梦都想把共产党拉到美国法庭","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q84ee6762587cc208f8aa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qb5de388b0f306a303915","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":230,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T15:12:19.024Z","text":"但是太难了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb5de388b0f306a303915","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q57ebd4fa777f6b9d2131","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":231,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T15:12:25.129Z","text":"是啊 逻辑上是这样","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbd040e8332006d29d9e9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q57ebd4fa777f6b9d2131","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbd040e8332006d29d9e9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q72da7492819f5e4eae57","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":232,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T15:12:37.817Z","text":"只是按文贵的做事手法 应该三个tony式人物出现","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q72da7492819f5e4eae57","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q8bde39186c447a60e8d2","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":233,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-02-21T15:12:40.105Z","text":"我可以肯定此人完全不懂啥是528","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3a3442d279cf0b12bd93","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8bde39186c447a60e8d2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3a3442d279cf0b12bd93","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q7fcdeb902a8348b8e57a","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":234,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T15:13:16.105Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] tony强制令里面 中美主权身份司法冲突 是你共产党先判的 同一笔钱 南区又判 南区到后面可以说 他不知道 他也是受害者 谁让你共产党先判","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7fcdeb902a8348b8e57a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q144c614ec31427410b15","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":235,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T15:13:41.837Z","text":"所以 共产党被动的 干扰司法 污染美国司法程序","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q144c614ec31427410b15","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q547f8e110f313043ad53","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":236,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T15:14:08.541Z","text":"tony应该把爆料革命 nfsc的终极目的实现了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q547f8e110f313043ad53","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qd67fdaf9778acecf2564","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":237,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T15:14:13.836Z","text":"郭案就是一块肉 所有蛆 都引来","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd67fdaf9778acecf2564","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qdc95bf278b5bd906c348","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":238,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T15:14:51.645Z","text":"问题是 这本身就是大棋论","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdc95bf278b5bd906c348","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q65ae09eabdf170481b7b","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":239,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T15:15:06.130Z","text":"能找到依据","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdc95bf278b5bd906c348","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q65ae09eabdf170481b7b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdc95bf278b5bd906c348","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q0ea8e14f4a7fa8539460","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":240,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T15:15:09.181Z","text":"郭还没动啊 没印证啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0ea8e14f4a7fa8539460","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q463833f5b5f956aca66a","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":241,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T15:15:24.412Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 青背后的势力 一边把郭摁牢里 一边希望墙内动乱 浑水摸鱼 取而代之\n郭是不是也在等一个变数？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q463833f5b5f956aca66a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qef0b2394ae154dec04cd","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":242,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T15:15:55.819Z","text":"用中国过那一套玄学 在美国法庭打。 难道用东方智慧战斗吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qef0b2394ae154dec04cd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q7a6ae5b215c6d9611bd6","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":243,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T15:16:21.498Z","text":"https://gettr.com/post/p3ws9n4f6ef","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7a6ae5b215c6d9611bd6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q9749fb579eac3caef344","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":244,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T15:18:14.921Z","text":"我和螺丝哥认为tony 的强制令就是老郭一直在等的东西","edited":false,"reply_to":"q463833f5b5f956aca66a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9749fb579eac3caef344","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q463833f5b5f956aca66a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qbfa4c2b19ff466ae3563","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":245,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T15:18:40.534Z","text":"否则郭的行为没有任何解释","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbfa4c2b19ff466ae3563","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q4b69be12e6d4eb202295","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":246,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T15:19:23.560Z","text":"核心就是： 中国判一次 美国再判一次。 中国判一次，以郭文贵的个人能力 可以实现 没问题。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4b69be12e6d4eb202295","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q5cc3949c933bc9319642","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":247,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T15:19:36.289Z","text":"中共肯定会对g系列抓人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5cc3949c933bc9319642","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qb893914bd0dcdcaa5d38","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":248,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T15:19:45.851Z","text":"最难的是美国判一次","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb893914bd0dcdcaa5d38","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qa911729f69e4a65042fb","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":249,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T15:20:00.442Z","text":"这就是为啥  他喜欢用烂人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa911729f69e4a65042fb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qe3477de0d45d22ca58e6","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":250,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T15:20:17.239Z","text":"只有用烂人 瞎搞 美国这里才能有案子","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe3477de0d45d22ca58e6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q5f491a6a0c86ceb2d187","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":251,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T15:20:19.803Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 最近一个动议 郭点了前任法治基金主席 王雪冰的名字 有什么意图？","edited":true,"reply_to":"q9749fb579eac3caef344","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f491a6a0c86ceb2d187","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9749fb579eac3caef344","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qb6ac57663513eb8acae7","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":252,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T15:21:16.050Z","text":"中国判一次 同样的人 同样一笔钱 美国再判一次 主权 身份冲突 共产党污染美国司法","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb6ac57663513eb8acae7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qa261d90538c5491ca410","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":253,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T15:21:29.943Z","text":"这是开天辟地以来第一次","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb6ac57663513eb8acae7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa261d90538c5491ca410","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb6ac57663513eb8acae7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qaa50a4f8463b65cde782","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":254,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T15:22:16.870Z","text":"［用户 ton***］  你看看 这是郭的最终目的 是否合理？ 因为这可以解释一切不合理的现象","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaa50a4f8463b65cde782","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q54708464a10889ac0e42","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":255,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T15:25:29.354Z","text":"这点agree 郭和台面上露脸的 其实心照不宣 都知道对方的底细","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe3477de0d45d22ca58e6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q54708464a10889ac0e42","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe3477de0d45d22ca58e6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q3350555c66973ed2a032","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":256,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T15:30:05.993Z","text":"原始法庭文件🈶吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7a6ae5b215c6d9611bd6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3350555c66973ed2a032","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7a6ae5b215c6d9611bd6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q510b9beefde7f42f5146","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":257,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T15:30:45.187Z","text":"初步看 法庭文件 跟帖文表达 有出入","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q510b9beefde7f42f5146","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q0cb5027eeb97bee9cc47","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":258,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T15:30:53.249Z","text":"需要核查原始法庭文件","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0cb5027eeb97bee9cc47","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q51d9e5e86cf0896c28ca","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":259,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T15:31:16.446Z","text":"［用户 ton***］ 你可以把这张截图给机器人 让问他是啥案子","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q51d9e5e86cf0896c28ca","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q582136e5a7c6821a9975","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":260,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T15:31:55.890Z","text":"在找这个编号原文","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q582136e5a7c6821a9975","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q3765b765e781b5d09cc3","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":261,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T15:32:08.701Z","text":"现在搜了几百个网页 找不到原文","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3765b765e781b5d09cc3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qed01d6ea779b54189a53","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":262,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T15:32:23.212Z","text":"162069/2018","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qed01d6ea779b54189a53","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q846c5c4a2a0fee1bc0f0","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":263,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T15:32:26.590Z","text":"网络世界要是没有  那就好玩了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q846c5c4a2a0fee1bc0f0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q3b700a696c1e8cb36ba4","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":264,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T15:32:28.993Z","text":"案件号","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3b700a696c1e8cb36ba4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q9f395ffaca0a111dcea9","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":265,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T15:33:01.970Z","text":"案件信息。找不到原始文件","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9f395ffaca0a111dcea9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qee4626e3d7d78dba42b3","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":266,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T15:34:52.890Z","text":"是郭文贵告numberg","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qee4626e3d7d78dba42b3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qd3585e41c5c549a20520","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":267,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T15:35:00.787Z","text":"和吴争","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd3585e41c5c549a20520","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q8505489113c8a057ef40","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":268,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T15:35:18.346Z","text":"事实核查：谁是被告？\n\n实际被告是 Bruno Wu（吴征） 和 Samuel Dan Sundberg——并非王岐山本人。王岐山在起诉状中是作为背景人物被提及（HNA 被王岐山秘密控制），而非直接被列为被告。帖文中\"政治局常委级官员被列入被告\"的说法存在夸大。\n\n初步判断 ，需要原文核查。 帮忙找下","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8505489113c8a057ef40","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qafd0876c39a5ed3b78df","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":269,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T15:35:19.287Z","text":"sudberg？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qafd0876c39a5ed3b78df","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qb66989cddc66b629530d","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":270,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T15:37:03.860Z","text":"是的，这个案子的官方原文（即诉状/complaint或法院文件）可以在纽约州法院的电子 filing 系统 NYSCEF (New York State Courts Electronic Filing) 中搜索到，但它不是完全公开免费下载的——大多数民事案件的文件需要通过官方渠道访问，可能要求账户登录、付费或到法院现场查询。\n案子确切信息\n•  法院：Supreme Court of the State of New York, New York County（纽约州最高法院，纽约县）。\n•  索引号 (Index No.)：从可靠来源确认是 162069/2018（你提供的帖子中写成16206069/2018或1622069/2018，可能有轻微打字错误，但实际是162069/2018）。\n•  案名：Guo Wengui (a/k/a Miles Kwok) et al. v. Sam Nunberg et al.（郭文贵诉Samuel Nunberg等人，包括Bruno Wu/Zheng Wu）。\n•  立案日期：约2018年12月（从帖子截图的filing stamp：NEW YORK COUNTY CLERK 12/21/2018）。\n•  性质：原告郭文贵提起诽谤（defamation）、阴谋等民事指控，针对被告Samuel Nunberg（前特朗普助手）和Bruno Wu（吴征，中国商人），声称他们参与针对他的攻击，并涉及HNA集团、王岐山等指控。\n•  结果：2019年12月18日，法院批准被告Bruno Wu的动议，驳回（dismissed）所有原告对Wu的指控（包括诽谤和非诽谤索赔，理由包括act of state doctrine、缺乏管辖权等）。对Nunberg的部分也类似处理，整个案子未产生重大胜诉。\n如何找到官方原文\n1.  在线搜索（推荐首选）：\n    •  访问纽约州法院官方eCourts系统：https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/webcivil/ecourtsMain\n    •  选择 WebCivil Supreme（适用于Supreme Court民事案）。\n    •  输入 Index Number：162069/2018（或类似变体如1620692018），County: New York。\n    •  如果是guest search（无需账户），你可以查看基本案件信息（如当事人、状态、部分文件摘要）。\n    •  完整文件（如complaint、motion、order）可能需要NYSCEF账户（律师或注册用户）才能下载PDF。有些文件公开，但不全。\n2.  其他来源：\n    •  法院判决摘要可在Casemine或Justia等法律数据库找到，例如：https://www.casemine.com/judgement/us/5e0f5982b338d15c3c79c7b8 （这是2019年驳回动议的判决，提到案子为defamation action）。\n    •  部分文件曾在媒体或法律博客中引用或链接（如Arkin Solbakken LLP的公告，确认2019年驳回）。\n    •  没有找到完整complaint的公开免费PDF链接（不像联邦法院PACER那样容易下载）。你可能需要付费访问PACER类似系统，或联系纽约县法院书记员（New York County Clerk）请求副本。\n为什么帖子中看起来“历史性重大”\n郭文贵在X上宣传这是“第一次中国高官被列入美国法院被告”，但实际被告是Nunberg和Wu（私人个体），而非直接赵乐际或王岐山本人。诉状中提到王岐山通过CCDI操控等，但法院最终驳回了这些指控，没支持他的“吹哨人”叙事。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb66989cddc66b629530d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qfa83a93eb2d3ae0bb826","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":271,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T15:37:44.951Z","text":"这个案子 王岐山作为背景板出现 老郭都高兴的要命","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfa83a93eb2d3ae0bb826","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q5dbb4009478354802855","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":272,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T15:37:55.884Z","text":"可是严重一万倍了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5dbb4009478354802855","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q440ea4bdf31bd8a9cf6e","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":273,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T15:39:36.378Z","text":"［用户 ton***］  我明白了","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q440ea4bdf31bd8a9cf6e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qb3a74e16257c000f10d2","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":274,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T15:40:01.525Z","text":"为什么要对那些民运疯狂发动法律战","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb3a74e16257c000f10d2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q5006022b3ad944e9841d","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":275,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T15:40:33.190Z","text":"表面上是他们的诽谤 纠纷","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5006022b3ad944e9841d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q2afc427174c2e943537c","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":276,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T15:40:41.044Z","text":"实际上就是把共产党 王岐山 写到案卷里面","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2afc427174c2e943537c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qada215411b8540e33963","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":277,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T15:41:00.776Z","text":"郭文贵的爆料革命就是为了把共产党写进美国司法","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qada215411b8540e33963","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q1b646768d7fc2bc5d3d3","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":278,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T15:41:10.618Z","text":"这就是核心目的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1b646768d7fc2bc5d3d3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q6b7d57fbcedb68b20091","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":279,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T15:41:42.234Z","text":"我认为 郭文贵的爆料革命 他自己没完成 被tony一锤定音","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6b7d57fbcedb68b20091","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qc9788a1d7f15d7c57691","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":280,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-02-21T15:41:46.910Z","text":"老郭看来就是等一个和中共有司法关联起来的人到美国法庭，其它的动议老郭并没有多大反应，这个应该进入老郭的眼了吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"q21f9c11d78298fa85b81","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc9788a1d7f15d7c57691","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qbd4acfbc4c2868b4860e","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":281,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T15:41:48.420Z","text":"爆料革命已经完成了历史使命","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbd4acfbc4c2868b4860e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q4c727de2d78fc7fc9681","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":282,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T15:41:55.853Z","text":"类似伊朗 革命卫队 定义成恐怖组织","edited":false,"reply_to":"qada215411b8540e33963","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4c727de2d78fc7fc9681","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qada215411b8540e33963","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q354b8e0795a3bfbdd62d","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":283,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T15:42:38.180Z","text":"我认为这个 老郭一定有反应","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc9788a1d7f15d7c57691","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q354b8e0795a3bfbdd62d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc9788a1d7f15d7c57691","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q405337a431539ab89718","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":284,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T15:42:52.992Z","text":"一步步来","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4c727de2d78fc7fc9681","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q405337a431539ab89718","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4c727de2d78fc7fc9681","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qa94fb4b08cefc38df48b","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":285,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T15:43:14.876Z","text":"当年抓马杜罗 不也是法庭文件先行？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa94fb4b08cefc38df48b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qa21cd8d6c708b5073046","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":286,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T15:43:27.832Z","text":"是这意思\n芬太尼 抓手之一","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa94fb4b08cefc38df48b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa21cd8d6c708b5073046","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa94fb4b08cefc38df48b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q9d57abb3640498c265aa","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":287,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T15:44:04.262Z","text":"之前 郭文贵在美国的案件 都是讨论共产党时候的纠纷","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9d57abb3640498c265aa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q8382a9659b75706e5a99","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":288,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T15:44:11.625Z","text":"核查点如下（基于 162069_2018_Guo_Wengui_et_al_v_Samuel_D_Nunberg_et_al_SUMMONS___COMPLAINT_1.pdf）：\n\n页眉反复出现：INDEX NO. 162069/2018、NYSCEF DOC. NO. 1、RECEIVED NYSCEF: 12/21/2018。\n法院为：SUPREME COURT OF THE STATE OF NEW YORK, COUNTY OF NEW YORK。\n被告写的是：SAMUEL DAN NUNBERG 与 ZHENG WU a/k/a BRUNO WU（不是 Sundberg）。\n第15段有“HNA 被王岐山秘密控制并用于腐败活动”的指控表述。\n第16、17段与你之前总结一致：提到其爆料引发国际媒体关注（含 NYT/WSJ），并称其成为腐败势力目标。\n文书性质是“原告诉称/指控”，不是法院已经认定的事实。\n该诉状共列 7 项诉因，请求对 Wu 赔偿不少于 200 亿美元、对 Nunberg 不少于 1 亿美元。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8382a9659b75706e5a99","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q74cd95b99eaf09876c7d","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":289,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T15:45:55.254Z","text":"故意怼他 激怒他\n然后他用PAG告郭 债权人登记 吴就上钩了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q46df3a899d83e742c897","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q74cd95b99eaf09876c7d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qc50311e5aab692ae6ad7","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":290,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T15:46:10.300Z","text":"可以的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q74cd95b99eaf09876c7d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc50311e5aab692ae6ad7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q74cd95b99eaf09876c7d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q7437f9ebce6b90803881","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":291,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T15:47:01.256Z","text":"债权人还有一大串的 郭宝胜 等等 都是之前有案子纠纷的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc50311e5aab692ae6ad7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7437f9ebce6b90803881","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc50311e5aab692ae6ad7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qeba6fe8f65e6cd6e857a","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":292,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T15:47:04.774Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] tony没上去的时候 我不好在这里说这些 现在上去了 才能说。 这才是真正的大棋论","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeba6fe8f65e6cd6e857a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qb1d0372eaf300ab3ea7c","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":293,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-02-21T15:47:05.241Z","text":"是的。\n这是法官不公正、打压受害者表达诉求和了解案情权利的证据。\n即使这样，我们更要多写自诉，留下法官不公的证据，多埋雷。等到南区法庭解封的时候，所有人的自诉都会上去。\n我已经写了8个自诉，一个二巡强制令，两次纸质高法强制令申请，现在在等最高法的审稿。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe58cc1e5720d86bf9477","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb1d0372eaf300ab3ea7c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe58cc1e5720d86bf9477","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q69b8c06a5b72c7a10601","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":294,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T15:47:43.348Z","text":"郭文贵爆料革命的本质 就是往美国司法系统写东西","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q69b8c06a5b72c7a10601","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qf5ab2b235a8b0eaa8af8","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":295,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T15:48:13.630Z","text":"灭共 也是为了配合这个","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf5ab2b235a8b0eaa8af8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qe17e988c416ab4bd4e31","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":296,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T15:48:22.286Z","text":"灭不灭共不重要","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe17e988c416ab4bd4e31","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qe658c6dae0ebb4a8f404","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":297,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T15:48:30.110Z","text":"先写司法文件 这才是重点","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe658c6dae0ebb4a8f404","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qf0d96a829e170c44f5f2","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":298,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T15:48:52.226Z","text":"文件写的多了 自然灭了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf0d96a829e170c44f5f2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q7afc02bd15e45523a8f7","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":299,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T15:50:57.963Z","text":"2019-12-18，法官 Lynn R. Kotler 作出裁定（NYSCEF DOC. NO. 43）","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7afc02bd15e45523a8f7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qb622ff90c5d6c0c25a13","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":300,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T15:51:08.646Z","text":"这是这个案子的法官裁定","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb622ff90c5d6c0c25a13","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q0fe04ea149d2e14e426f","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":301,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T15:51:38.549Z","text":"2018 年郭文贵在纽约州起诉吴征和 Nunberg，称遭威胁、资产受损并被抹黑。2019 年法官把案子整体驳回，理由主要是诉状对诽谤陈述不够具体、‘共谋诽谤’在纽约不是独立诉因、部分主张受国家行为原则和时效限制；所以这案子并未进入实体审判阶段。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0fe04ea149d2e14e426f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qbf56dbd25d46e386d396","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":302,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T15:52:02.680Z","text":"这是一起纽约州民事案（不是刑事案）：原告（郭文贵一方）在 2018 年起诉吴征和 Sam Nunberg，主张“威胁/资产查封/诽谤”等；法院在 2019 年把整案驳回，未进入实体审判。\n\n1. 事实层（发生了什么）\n\n立案信息\nSupreme Court of the State of New York, County of New York\n案号 162069/2018，NYSCEF DOC. NO. 1，收文 12/21/2018。\n被告\nSamuel Dan Nunberg、Zheng Wu a/k/a Bruno Wu。\n原告在起诉状中的主线叙事（Doc 1）\n原告称自己因“反腐爆料”遭报复，指吴征参与威胁、勒索、推动对其家人和资产的不利行动；并称 Nunberg 向 Roger Stone 传递虚假信息，造成名誉损害。\n诉讼过程（你截图 + 裁定可见）\n先有原始诉状（Doc 1），后有修订诉状（Amended Complaint，截图为 Doc 4），随后被告分别提出驳回动议（动议序号 001、002）。\n2. 法律层（原告主张了什么）\nDoc 1 中可见 7 项诉因，核心包括：\n\n干扰商业关系（对 Wu）\n协助转换/侵占财产（对 Wu）\n协助侵害不动产权益（对 Wu）\n故意造成精神损害（对 Wu）\nDefamation per se（诽谤）\n“Conspiracy to defame”\nPrima facie tort\n并请求巨额赔偿（对 Wu 约 200 亿美元量级、对 Nunberg 约 1 亿美元量级）。\n3. 结果层（法院怎么判）\n2019-12-18，法官 Lynn R. Kotler 作出裁定（NYSCEF DOC. NO. 43）：\n\n被告两项驳回动议合并处理。\n诽谤相关主张被驳回：诉状未满足纽约对诽谤的“具体化陈述”要求（时间、地点、具体语句等不足）。\n“Conspiracy to defame” 在纽约法下不是独立可成立诉因。\n对吴征的其余主张也被驳回：\n涉及中国境内资产查封部分，受“act of state doctrine（国家行为原则）”限制，纽约法院不审查外国主权行为在其境内的财产处分；\n非诽谤事实多指向 2015 年，法院认为已超适用时效。\nNunberg 申请制裁（sanctions）未获支持。\n最终：投诉整体驳回，书记员录入判决。\n4. 逻辑层（最容易被误读的点）\n\nDoc 1 是“原告指控文本”，不是法院认定事实。\n本案的驳回，核心是“法律门槛/可审性/时效/起诉技术”问题，不等于法院逐条认定现实世界中所有事件真伪。\n因为在驳回阶段结束，案件没有走到完整证据开示+实体审理+事实裁判那一步。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbf56dbd25d46e386d396","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qcbd756f1381320b85365","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":303,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T15:52:32.727Z","text":"被法官驳回了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcbd756f1381320b85365","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qe2228b95111bdf1a1e97","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":304,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T15:53:20.819Z","text":"郭知道肯定是驳回 干这一票 感觉更像故意去恶心吴争 随后他也去注册了外国代理人\n这后面才引出 PAG告郭 债权人登记 这一系列故事","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcbd756f1381320b85365","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe2228b95111bdf1a1e97","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcbd756f1381320b85365","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q7307ee075fcc204f558a","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":305,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-02-21T15:56:10.452Z","text":"鲁迅所以留名，是因为他的笔杆子，我们这群华人所以与众不同，是因为我们在美国法庭上不请律师自己写出了严谨的法律文件。这比我解初中勾股定理强。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf0d96a829e170c44f5f2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7307ee075fcc204f558a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf0d96a829e170c44f5f2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qb24feb9dd6492b6ece94","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":306,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T16:00:50.645Z","text":"这个判断我给你结论是：“部分有迹象，但核心时序不成立”。\n\n“故意怼他、激怒他”\n这属于主观动机，目前我没看到能直接证明“故意激怒”的硬证据（比如当事人明确表述、邮件、录音）。\n\n“然后他用PAG告郭”\n这里有两点要修正：\n\n实际原告是 PAX（Pacific Alliance Asia Opportunity Fund），不是 PAG 本体。PAG是管理方。\n更关键：这案号是 652077/2017，说明诉讼在2017年就已启动，不是在你说的那一票（162069/2018）之后才“随后去告”。\n可核对：\nhttps://law.justia.com/cases/new-york/other-courts/2022/2022-ny-slip-op-30460-u.html\nhttps://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/new-york/nysdce/1%3A2022cv10060/590100/45/ （文中也写了 PAG/PAX 关系与2017案）\n“债权人登记，吴就上钩了”\n“吴方进入债权人程序”这一点有文档支撑：\n\nDoc_312_gov.uscourts.nysd.596371.312.2.md (line 13) 显示 “For Bruno Wu ... Creditors”。\n但“上钩了”是你的解释，不是法院事实认定。\n补一句：你这个叙事可改成更严谨版本：\n“郭的动作可能有策略性施压成分（推断），但PAX诉讼早于162069案，不能说是被这案‘激怒后才起诉’；吴方后续确实出现在债权人端（事实）。”","edited":false,"reply_to":"q74cd95b99eaf09876c7d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb24feb9dd6492b6ece94","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q74cd95b99eaf09876c7d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qb004d999c47153850b7d","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":307,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T16:03:37.048Z","text":"如果郭对tony的强制令还没有任何动作 那他就是个精神病","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb004d999c47153850b7d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q0ae8d36074a3d1e2654e","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":308,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T16:03:52.349Z","text":"好玩 那岂不是说 PAX先告郭 然后郭去告吴争 随后吴也进到了PAX案子债权人里 入局了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb24feb9dd6492b6ece94","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0ae8d36074a3d1e2654e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb24feb9dd6492b6ece94","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q247da7737650d30b70e4","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":309,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T16:04:01.827Z","text":"有个技术问题 文贵 在监狱里 能看到所有法庭文件吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb004d999c47153850b7d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q247da7737650d30b70e4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb004d999c47153850b7d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qec2b35c9e4b8db3491e0","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":310,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T16:04:12.114Z","text":"能及时看到吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qec2b35c9e4b8db3491e0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q7ff18805c536abf73f8a","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":311,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T16:04:25.862Z","text":"律师会跟他说吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7ff18805c536abf73f8a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q29bd01a687deed8c0070","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":312,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T16:04:35.668Z","text":"每天能见律师吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q29bd01a687deed8c0070","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q2f5d77b12b35de51adfa","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":313,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T16:04:39.493Z","text":"你说的这个还真有可能是个问题","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7ff18805c536abf73f8a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2f5d77b12b35de51adfa","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7ff18805c536abf73f8a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qdcc5b03d9c08a1068b21","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":314,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T16:04:51.757Z","text":"法庭文件说 律师见了不到三回","edited":false,"reply_to":"q29bd01a687deed8c0070","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdcc5b03d9c08a1068b21","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q29bd01a687deed8c0070","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qf1c9efa104b90d8dfd49","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":315,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T16:05:10.159Z","text":"所以 可能半年 才更新一次知识","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf1c9efa104b90d8dfd49","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q9dcc546ff5de50ecbc46","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":316,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-21T16:08:16.231Z","text":"最近辩方动议不是挺频繁\n难不成 不和郭商量的？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf1c9efa104b90d8dfd49","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9dcc546ff5de50ecbc46","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf1c9efa104b90d8dfd49","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qab02f496faf6f0f812f9","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":317,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T16:08:42.170Z","text":"瑞恩已经反复在法庭文件里面说了 律师都是[屏蔽词]","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qab02f496faf6f0f812f9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qb095847028c63ce1daeb","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":318,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T16:13:02.252Z","text":"简要回答你的问题：半站得住，半站不住。\n\n站得住的：\n\n事实悖论真实存在——Wu 在中国因同一投资坐牢，却被排除在美国受害者名单外，这是硬伤\n猎狐行动关联有文件佐证（Dkt. 718），不是空口指控\n\"登记入卷\"的程序性请求几乎无可辩驳\n站不住的核心问题：\n\nTony 说\"两个身份不可能同时为真\"——但其实可以。 一个人完全可以：\n\n被中国政治迫害（因为投资了郭的项目）\n同时被郭文贵欺诈（因为检方法庭文件显示郭对投资用途撒了谎）\n这是两个不同的行为人对他造成的伤害。中共迫害他是中共干的，郭骗他是郭干的。两件事独立发生，互不排斥。\n\n至于\"共产党污染美国司法\"——美国定罪基于美国证据（银行记录、电汇、证人证词），从未采信中国的定性。要论证\"污染\"，需要证明中国直接影响了美国的司法程序，而不仅仅是\"两国定性不同\"。两国定性不同是双重主权的常态，不是异常。\n\n但 Tony 描述的困境本身是真实的：一个人被两个大国的司法机器同时碾过，两个系统都不看对方一眼。这个问题可能没有法律答案，但值得被记录在案。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb6ac57663513eb8acae7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb095847028c63ce1daeb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb6ac57663513eb8acae7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qeac48461f6cc76c04a4f","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":319,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T16:14:14.241Z","text":"真实的证明证据。中共直接影响了美国的司法程序。这个非常关键吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeac48461f6cc76c04a4f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qea908e9a43c6004accac","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":320,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T16:15:12.686Z","text":"他说的这个不准确","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb095847028c63ce1daeb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea908e9a43c6004accac","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb095847028c63ce1daeb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qd168b92586b019b628ea","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":321,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T16:15:39.893Z","text":"从未采取中国的定性： 你怎么知道没采取？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd168b92586b019b628ea","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qe0bf0b77c9bed276a994","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":322,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T16:15:53.593Z","text":"你在美国的没收资金 受害者","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe0bf0b77c9bed276a994","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q94ab1e8dd86a391ec11e","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":323,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T16:16:02.528Z","text":"很多都是被中国司法体系污染过了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q94ab1e8dd86a391ec11e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qbcda7c40e5edbeb18532","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":324,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T16:16:29.932Z","text":"tony已经做实了 这些钱 这些人 在提交到美国司法系统之前","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbcda7c40e5edbeb18532","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q8d408f7d42e800a0d18f","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":325,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T16:16:35.173Z","text":"已经被中国污染过一次","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8d408f7d42e800a0d18f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qdd742465a73505d7ee1d","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":326,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T16:17:20.737Z","text":"就是境外势力影响美国司法","edited":false,"reply_to":"qeac48461f6cc76c04a4f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdd742465a73505d7ee1d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeac48461f6cc76c04a4f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qafe0ff5eb61566d9222f","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":327,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T16:17:47.615Z","text":"tony说了 他们那一块 相同的情况都有很多人 所以是大面积污染","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qafe0ff5eb61566d9222f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q506c9f439109ec04b4ba","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":328,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T16:17:56.007Z","text":"他后面还列举了公安部的一个文件","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q506c9f439109ec04b4ba","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qcffb9c53bc2ecf3d9b7c","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":329,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T16:18:03.173Z","text":"集中处置","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcffb9c53bc2ecf3d9b7c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qdbf2a04e2656b129b41b","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":330,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T16:18:10.605Z","text":"也就是说 这个情况 全国都有很多","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdbf2a04e2656b129b41b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qbdfed6a01720993a4343","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":331,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T16:20:12.626Z","text":"有个技术问题，法院能验证 提交证据的真伪吗，还是需要情报机构验证","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbdfed6a01720993a4343","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q06bacd722ca8b2dcde2a","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":332,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T16:20:43.531Z","text":"tony提交的的需要核查验证吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q06bacd722ca8b2dcde2a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q373d13a9c9202a74b89e","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":333,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T16:21:00.302Z","text":"这个就别担心了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbdfed6a01720993a4343","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q373d13a9c9202a74b89e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbdfed6a01720993a4343","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q398240eae500a64b2343","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":334,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T16:21:06.243Z","text":"瑞恩每一张都给我拍照了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q398240eae500a64b2343","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q569573e549a8c7362418","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":335,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T16:21:15.814Z","text":"几百页的卷宗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q569573e549a8c7362418","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qdd929207265bee34d2b8","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":336,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T16:21:21.080Z","text":"触目惊心","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdd929207265bee34d2b8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qf8d14260d0f700ae946f","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":337,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T16:21:52.064Z","text":"不是 就是法庭程序上  如果要验证 是个啥法庭程序  法官让情报机构介入 验证吗 不是瑞恩验证吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf8d14260d0f700ae946f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q3c978fb569d10cc755b8","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":338,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T16:22:16.746Z","text":"他们内部有期待的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf8d14260d0f700ae946f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3c978fb569d10cc755b8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf8d14260d0f700ae946f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q8edf56c5cf31ef5f9e03","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":339,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T16:22:18.572Z","text":"渠道","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8edf56c5cf31ef5f9e03","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qd8b36aa607b6171234df","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":340,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T16:22:47.534Z","text":"不需要法官下order吗 内部走下程序就行？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd8b36aa607b6171234df","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q573df08c7e6ea79db1cc","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":341,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T16:23:29.203Z","text":"黑箱走一波吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q573df08c7e6ea79db1cc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qd179022b9b19e57b3a98","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":342,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T16:23:50.754Z","text":"可能他们不会碰","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd8b36aa607b6171234df","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd179022b9b19e57b3a98","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd8b36aa607b6171234df","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q797a01c655103e4c212f","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":343,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T16:24:01.832Z","text":"碰了 就做实了 这是政治案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q797a01c655103e4c212f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q3f023c254d6f55b5a4ea","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":344,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T16:24:07.328Z","text":"所以他们不核实","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3f023c254d6f55b5a4ea","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qddf52b08b35b8f3aa463","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":345,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T16:24:15.079Z","text":"是最好的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qddf52b08b35b8f3aa463","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q3ba03b6f8eaab93b2232","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":346,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T16:24:54.605Z","text":"郭等的文件 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中的起诉书（pp. 47–61）和审讯记录（pp. 28–43），就变成了有原始文件支撑的可验证事实。美国法院可以亲眼看到：中国检察院确实以\"危害国家安全\"的罪名正式起诉了这个人。\n\n2. 证明中国对 G 系列投资者的追诉是政治性的、系统性的\npp. 44–46 记载了公安部的\"集中办理\"机制——这意味着案件被提升到了国家安全级别，多部门协调行动\nTony 据此论证：他的遭遇与美国司法部在\"猎狐行动\"和跨国镇压案件中认定的多项指标高度吻合\n这把一个个人案件上升为一个结构性问题：如果中国将 G 系列投资者的追诉归入国家安全框架，那么美国法院在认定\"受害者\"身份时，是否需要审查这个跨国维度？\n3. 证明外国胁迫对美国司法程序的影响\npp. 5–7 的护照扣押记录是关键：护照被扣走但故意不列入扣押清单，这是国安系统实施秘密出境限制的手法\n这直接支撑了 Tony 的 §C 论点（L99–103）：外国胁迫措施实质性地损害了他寻求美国法院救济的能力\n这还援引了 In re Grand Jury Proceedings 判例，将个人遭遇与\"外国干预影响美国司法程序\"的法律框架对接\n一句话总结\nExhibit F 是 Tony 整个 42 页请愿书的证据基石。没有它，Tony 的故事只是一个 pro se 请愿人的自述；有了它，美国法院面前就摆着中国司法机关的官方文件，白纸黑字地证明：这个被美国认定为\"欺诈受害者\"的人，同时正在被中国以\"危害国家安全\"的罪名追诉。这个矛盾是 Tony 所有法律论点的根基。\n\n需要注意：Exhibit F 是以密封形式提交的（仅以 under seal 版本存在），我们无法看到原文。以上分析完全基于 Tony 请愿书正文中对 Exhibit F 各页码的引用和描述，属于 Tony 的视角。中国司法文件的真实性和完整性未经对抗性检验。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbcc878834066a6389505","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qbfccfefdb12cf5f5319e","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":391,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T17:34:55.751Z","text":"这些文件 肉身 带出来 真不容易","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbfccfefdb12cf5f5319e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q59c635f1c1d5e70f32b0","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":392,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T17:36:23.962Z","text":"tony的卷宗 最绝的 是里面说了 他们那一块有33人 是同样的情况 被抓 然后资金到了美国再判","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q59c635f1c1d5e70f32b0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qbfe02bf4a0b0c99c6d65","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":393,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T17:36:41.701Z","text":"又因为2018年集中处置 说明这个情况 全国到处都是","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbfe02bf4a0b0c99c6d65","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q5cd29faa38473e675759","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":394,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T17:37:04.265Z","text":"你美国检方冻结资金 有多少是被境外势力直接污染","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5cd29faa38473e675759","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q64800394b5e8454daacb","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":395,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T17:37:07.582Z","text":"根本数不清楚","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64800394b5e8454daacb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q126bc5827cda0a9af996","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":396,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T17:37:10.329Z","text":"根本查不清楚","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q126bc5827cda0a9af996","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qc327e98fae54b49e34b9","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":397,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T17:37:11.987Z","text":"应该还有人能出现","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc327e98fae54b49e34b9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q3bb04a00cb04dfad20fb","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":398,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T17:37:31.775Z","text":"如果青藤忽悠的那些脑残可以觉醒 那有可能","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc327e98fae54b49e34b9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3bb04a00cb04dfad20fb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc327e98fae54b49e34b9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q530bf90211e5f0e2f96d","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":399,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-21T17:37:43.848Z","text":"你现在知道为什么青藤要污染证据了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc327e98fae54b49e34b9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q530bf90211e5f0e2f96d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc327e98fae54b49e34b9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q1b7b28e36ff2d3e581ed","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":400,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-21T17:38:08.636Z","text":"怕下一个有真料的tony","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1b7b28e36ff2d3e581ed","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000080","next_batch_id":"batch-000082"}