{"id":"batch-000081","number":81,"revision":2,"date_start":"2026-02-21T11:33:04.689Z","date_end":"2026-02-22T18:19:42.784Z","total_messages":1000,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 081 (Feb 21, 2026 – Feb 22, 2026), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Discussions began with artificial intelligence workflows, debating whether retrieval-augmented generation suits self-study, token costs, and analytical risks. Participants then shifted to case fact-checking, focusing on procedural developments surrounding 361/805 filings, Doc 805 CIPA rulings, and sentencing evidence before the Second Circuit. Debate intensified over judicial discretion, defense counsel independence, and ineffective assistance claims. 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能不能放出来 是法官决定的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe6396ca8735554ba44ee","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q773fc81bffce6a73ab32","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe6396ca8735554ba44ee","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q9c0c38c8fc0a5ac5df1c","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":640,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-22T03:55:08.572Z","text":"法官完全可以拒绝","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9c0c38c8fc0a5ac5df1c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q6a1564011f166d9c8b2d","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":641,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-22T03:55:45.331Z","text":"[删节：成员身份]你真是律师吗，你不知道辩护律师不需要听客户的？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6a1564011f166d9c8b2d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q88e2752dafc1321bdccf","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":642,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-22T03:55:48.386Z","text":"peter 律师","edited":false,"reply_to":"q79169cc82f866b305174","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q88e2752dafc1321bdccf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qcc40bb9f3b5e9c9eb3e8","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":643,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-22T03:56:13.313Z","text":"Peter律师的业务水平堪忧啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"q88e2752dafc1321bdccf","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcc40bb9f3b5e9c9eb3e8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q88e2752dafc1321bdccf","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q2471dd93b4b7bb903d3d","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":644,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-22T03:56:34.012Z","text":"他的钱被套进去了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcc40bb9f3b5e9c9eb3e8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2471dd93b4b7bb903d3d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcc40bb9f3b5e9c9eb3e8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q09470ef2f8d3d634b625","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":645,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-22T03:56:36.426Z","text":"现在华人律师无法超越的天花板就是瑞恩","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q09470ef2f8d3d634b625","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qc1cdf13ad36f2f9415cf","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":646,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-22T03:56:44.497Z","text":"再过五十年","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc1cdf13ad36f2f9415cf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qc88b67a3bc8d164f9335","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":647,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-22T03:56:51.698Z","text":"都不可能有任何华人律师超越瑞恩","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc88b67a3bc8d164f9335","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q61cbd47e27fba8e3241d","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":648,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-22T03:56:54.718Z","text":"你应该好好了解一下，这个宇宙是被谁控制的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5dfbefce70d5f19ca2bb","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q61cbd47e27fba8e3241d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q164bb6542105fd65d7c9","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":649,"speaker":"gun***","date":"2026-02-22T03:57:14.195Z","text":"看了愛波斯坦還認為美國不是系統性腐敗只能說思維太機械了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q164bb6542105fd65d7c9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qd1a2587834a8bbcb694f","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":650,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-22T03:57:41.015Z","text":"爱泼斯坦 违法犯罪 没有发生在美国","edited":false,"reply_to":"q164bb6542105fd65d7c9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd1a2587834a8bbcb694f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q164bb6542105fd65d7c9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q15abc4360d3dec127229","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":651,"speaker":"gun***","date":"2026-02-22T03:57:43.488Z","text":"川普的阻礙也沒這麼大了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q15abc4360d3dec127229","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q07b12fc64ec6969ed027","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":652,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-22T03:58:08.422Z","text":"看了艾伯斯坦，你就应该知道这个宇宙都是被邪恶实力控制的，包括你现在打字，都是有人控制的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q164bb6542105fd65d7c9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q07b12fc64ec6969ed027","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q164bb6542105fd65d7c9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q11c052d24c1313e822de","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":653,"speaker":"pz0***","date":"2026-02-22T03:58:26.798Z","text":"你到底在反驳什么？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3250e8f84c85ea69ee94","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q11c052d24c1313e822de","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3250e8f84c85ea69ee94","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qd96313d273f54742a8a0","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":654,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-22T03:58:28.314Z","text":"你以为你是独立的人，其实你已经被控制了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd96313d273f54742a8a0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q6eaef1a7f0f6ad718d7e","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":655,"speaker":"gun***","date":"2026-02-22T03:58:32.631Z","text":"整個系統這麼龐大你說的違法犯罪只是性麽？要不要看牽車哪些人哪些事件","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd1a2587834a8bbcb694f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6eaef1a7f0f6ad718d7e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd1a2587834a8bbcb694f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q675fc0f3b4f214cb4ad7","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":656,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-22T03:58:56.110Z","text":"你不是说他直播的话放屁？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q11c052d24c1313e822de","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q675fc0f3b4f214cb4ad7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q11c052d24c1313e822de","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q38152ce6c988fcc8cac3","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":657,"speaker":"pz0***","date":"2026-02-22T03:59:04.652Z","text":"对，然后呢？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q675fc0f3b4f214cb4ad7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q38152ce6c988fcc8cac3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q675fc0f3b4f214cb4ad7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qa239abb12e1b7c98c153","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":658,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-22T03:59:26.546Z","text":"律师不当 是法庭文件 不是直播的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q38152ce6c988fcc8cac3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa239abb12e1b7c98c153","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q38152ce6c988fcc8cac3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qcc577db614649a82c8e7","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":659,"speaker":"pz0***","date":"2026-02-22T03:59:36.589Z","text":"你找出来","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa239abb12e1b7c98c153","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcc577db614649a82c8e7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa239abb12e1b7c98c153","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q2e630f471784d0c836f7","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":660,"speaker":"gun***","date":"2026-02-22T04:00:41.284Z","text":"美國目前是系統性腐敗，這他媽不是新聞，這是鐵律，而且是從骨子裡腐敗到表層的物理事實。那些還在二維線性腦袋裡轉的[屏蔽词]，以為腐敗是「個人貪污」「政黨輪替就能解決」的幼稚遊戲，卻從來沒敢直視系統動力學的鐵律：美國不是「民主燈塔」，它是密涅瓦貓頭鷹控制體系在現代的終極載體，從華爾街到軍工複合體，從深層政府到媒體智囊團，從聯邦儲備到大藥廠，全是同一套寄生結構在吸血、續命、再吸血、再續命的無限循環。我們直接用邏輯核彈 + 系統動力學 + 混沌理論 + 熱力學負債表 + 常識，把這堆爛肉拆得血肉模糊，看看美國系統性腐敗到底是什麼、為什麼這是人類文明擺脫密涅瓦操控系統的關鍵加速點。\n1. 美國系統性腐敗的本質（不是個人問題，是寄生黑洞的鐵律）\n美國的腐敗不是「幾個壞人貪錢」，這是整個系統從設計之初就內建的寄生黑洞：\n•  系統動力學視角：美國從建國開始就是一場大規模能量匯聚實驗：憲法表面上「分權制衡」，實際上讓華爾街/軍工/深層政府這三個寄生體從內部生長，能量永遠向上匯聚到黑洞（聯邦儲備、國防預算、大藥廠壟斷、媒體智囊團）。\n    •  華爾街：金融寄生體，靠債務永動機 + 量化寬鬆吸乾中產血，讓負債表過載到極限（2026年債務佔GDP 120%+，卻還在印錢救市）。\n    •  軍工複合體：靠永恆戰爭（伊拉克、阿富汗、烏克蘭、伊朗）續命，軍費佔GDP 3.5%+，卻從來沒贏過一場真正戰爭，只贏了股東的錢包。\n    •  深層政府：CIA/FBI/NSA/國安部等「永久官僚」，用愛潑斯坦式權色勒索 + 情報黑箱控制政客，讓「輪替」變成笑話，讓能量永遠匯聚到不可選舉的黑洞。\n    •  大藥廠/媒體/科技寡頭：靠壟斷 + 數據吸血 + 意識操控續命，疫情/疫苗/社交媒體/大數據，全是同一套「稀缺製造 + 中心化匯聚」的寄生遊戲。\n這不是「腐敗」，這是系統設計的核心邏輯：用「民主」當外殼，讓寄生體從內部生長，讓能量永遠向上匯聚，讓底層電池永遠被吸乾。\n2. 混沌理論 + 熱力學為什麼證明美國是系統性腐敗？（不是意外，是必然坍塌）\n•  混沌理論視角：美國看起來「穩定」，是因為低熵表象（選舉、媒體、經濟數據）在掩蓋高熵混沌（債務黑洞、社會撕裂、菁英寄生）。但混沌系統一旦過載到臨界點，小蝴蝶效應（愛潑斯坦檔案滴血、俄羅斯跑路、伊朗被清算）就會引爆大坍塌，讓公眾從「相信系統」轉向「系統是騙局」。\n•  熱力學負債表鐵律：系統總熵增已經到達臨界，美國的負債表過載到極限（聯邦債務34萬億美元、軍費8000億、醫療壟斷佔GDP 18%+、媒體信任率低到20%），寄生體繼續吸血，讓能量從底層逆流到邊緣，讓系統從內部燒沒。\n•  常識鐵律：腐敗不是「個人」，是系統：最高法院「雙簧」看起來限制權力，實際上擦亮了川普的貿易核彈箱子，讓全球主義寄生體繼續內耗自噬，讓能量從中心逆流到邊緣，讓寄生體自己餓死。","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2e630f471784d0c836f7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q596b39edd98d4181ce33","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":661,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-22T04:01:15.428Z","text":"文件700 exhihit b 自己看吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcc577db614649a82c8e7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q596b39edd98d4181ce33","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcc577db614649a82c8e7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q8ed68a0749d69859576f","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":662,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-22T04:02:03.464Z","text":"别闹了 一个一个来\n郭的案子 就是纠错的一部分","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2e630f471784d0c836f7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ed68a0749d69859576f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2e630f471784d0c836f7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q37ecb991dbc2926c2ebf","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":663,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-22T04:02:21.486Z","text":"［用户 pz0***］ 你的水平被tony强制令打废了？ 文件700 律师无效辩护 这是研究郭案都必须知道的","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q37ecb991dbc2926c2ebf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q50a8ce3d6726026f4ca7","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":664,"speaker":"pz0***","date":"2026-02-22T04:02:49.922Z","text":"我知道，哪句，谁说的，找出来。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q596b39edd98d4181ce33","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q50a8ce3d6726026f4ca7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q596b39edd98d4181ce33","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qfc40354210e36cb9200f","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":665,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-22T04:03:52.501Z","text":"当然老郭自己说的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q50a8ce3d6726026f4ca7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfc40354210e36cb9200f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q50a8ce3d6726026f4ca7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qe551519a715b9f4999db","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":666,"speaker":"gun***","date":"2026-02-22T04:03:54.615Z","text":"就看怎麼糾錯了牵一发动全身","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8ed68a0749d69859576f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe551519a715b9f4999db","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ed68a0749d69859576f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q2ceb1064c368daf424b8","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":667,"speaker":"pz0***","date":"2026-02-22T04:03:55.974Z","text":"你的投资款是你被郭文贵骗交的学费。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5e0097b7bc36877aa26a","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2ceb1064c368daf424b8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q21c3ba7ab8c3594f0530","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":668,"speaker":"pz0***","date":"2026-02-22T04:04:21.801Z","text":"所以你反驳了什么？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfc40354210e36cb9200f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q21c3ba7ab8c3594f0530","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfc40354210e36cb9200f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q06d4291e7d39e1fb00cb","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":669,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-22T04:04:28.960Z","text":"解释一下 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[删节：隐私信息] 被套进去了不少🤣","edited":true,"reply_to":"q3626d69f369c0e5029cf","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q83576a561052aa0c9bd3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3626d69f369c0e5029cf","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q52d81c366765e1cb6fd4","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":674,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-22T04:06:03.676Z","text":"我不需要懂高大上的道理 这个逻辑给我解释一下就行","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q52d81c366765e1cb6fd4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q8352020e4ed333765a2d","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":675,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-22T04:06:16.829Z","text":"凡事讲逻辑嘛","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8352020e4ed333765a2d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q4a6fcfe7653f1fc5a85c","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":676,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-22T04:06:23.770Z","text":"因为政府为你好啊 怕你再被骗","edited":false,"reply_to":"q52d81c366765e1cb6fd4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4a6fcfe7653f1fc5a85c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q52d81c366765e1cb6fd4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q427d4730df8ebafde82c","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":677,"speaker":"pz0***","date":"2026-02-22T04:06:38.666Z","text":"郭文贵骗了他的投资再把他的信息卖给国内呀","edited":false,"reply_to":"q52d81c366765e1cb6fd4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q427d4730df8ebafde82c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q52d81c366765e1cb6fd4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qfbfb971309adbcf7be51","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":678,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-22T04:06:58.058Z","text":"因为 [删节：隐私信息] 要你交学费","edited":true,"reply_to":"q52d81c366765e1cb6fd4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfbfb971309adbcf7be51","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q52d81c366765e1cb6fd4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qcb6cd6ce52e5cbb33a86","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":679,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-22T04:07:08.930Z","text":"我可是读过书的 我听得懂逻辑","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcb6cd6ce52e5cbb33a86","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qa1a5e35fa3e806db16d7","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":680,"speaker":"pz0***","date":"2026-02-22T04:07:09.450Z","text":"夏其东不也玩这套吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa1a5e35fa3e806db16d7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q71d2a0ba0f021fcd4cd0","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":681,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-22T04:07:11.364Z","text":"交的是律师学费","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfbfb971309adbcf7be51","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q71d2a0ba0f021fcd4cd0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfbfb971309adbcf7be51","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q7f8b8527e70664fcbc52","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":682,"speaker":"pz0***","date":"2026-02-22T04:07:19.799Z","text":"都是郭文贵教的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7f8b8527e70664fcbc52","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q4f6e6aa36ae2a169fc07","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":683,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-22T04:07:35.849Z","text":"他发现他一辈子学的法律在瑞恩面前就是一堆狗屎🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f6e6aa36ae2a169fc07","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q7e31723f127024cffe80","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":684,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-22T04:07:38.749Z","text":"看来他被套的挺多\n[删节：隐私信息] 别抑郁了\n[删节：隐私信息] 比你更抑郁","edited":true,"reply_to":"q71d2a0ba0f021fcd4cd0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7e31723f127024cffe80","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q71d2a0ba0f021fcd4cd0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qa10db542a4e32fd1a3f5","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":685,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-22T04:08:12.732Z","text":"你聊这些没办法论证的东西 就好像讨论先有鸡还是先有蛋 老子不会上当的 我说的实际情况你解释解释","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa10db542a4e32fd1a3f5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qa08c597e92e744ae047f","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":686,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-22T04:08:26.047Z","text":"[删节：成员身份] 发现这个群出五份强制令 已经快崩溃了","edited":true,"reply_to":"q7e31723f127024cffe80","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa08c597e92e744ae047f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7e31723f127024cffe80","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q3c9f4f57f102f29c9211","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":687,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-22T04:08:43.312Z","text":"确实上道了🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa10db542a4e32fd1a3f5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3c9f4f57f102f29c9211","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa10db542a4e32fd1a3f5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qd0c0d8fe3659aff3b0ab","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":688,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-22T04:09:16.643Z","text":"他白白赔了不少律师费\n发现没有5份自诉有分量","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa08c597e92e744ae047f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd0c0d8fe3659aff3b0ab","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa08c597e92e744ae047f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q3314921f46327f61ffb0","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":689,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-22T04:09:30.079Z","text":"哈哈 法学院 也不容易啊 估计贷款了学费","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd0c0d8fe3659aff3b0ab","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3314921f46327f61ffb0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd0c0d8fe3659aff3b0ab","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qcce4139d82d9e423b6e1","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":690,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-22T04:09:42.514Z","text":"瑞恩 螺丝哥 0法律背景","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcce4139d82d9e423b6e1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qca752d74603f00e964cf","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":691,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-22T04:09:47.646Z","text":"这就是差距","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qca752d74603f00e964cf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qfad26d05d5088b3c0fb9","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":692,"speaker":"pz0***","date":"2026-02-22T04:10:04.013Z","text":"郭文贵拿到特赦的希望应该是没了，所以他的量刑无法避免。而星辰这种最多有可能申请司法部的受害人退赔（remission），而且星辰属于希望不大的那种，一是因为他的汇款凭证都不是自己名义的，你那个帮你汇款的朋友愿意出来帮你证明他这个汇款是代你汇款吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfad26d05d5088b3c0fb9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qa50dfd112209a474e16a","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":693,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-22T04:10:05.900Z","text":"瑞恩螺丝哥 学法律不到一年","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa50dfd112209a474e16a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q201b337c8e2d8d561a4e","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":694,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-22T04:10:30.895Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 他不要钱🤣","edited":true,"reply_to":"qfad26d05d5088b3c0fb9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q201b337c8e2d8d561a4e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfad26d05d5088b3c0fb9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qc22f55413578829ff2af","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":695,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-22T04:10:53.870Z","text":"凡是觉得郭文贵有希望特赦的都是脑残","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfad26d05d5088b3c0fb9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc22f55413578829ff2af","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfad26d05d5088b3c0fb9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q3342b18540cf5b2d7496","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":696,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-22T04:11:02.736Z","text":"我过了这么多年 我拿本钱回来 我他妈脑子有病啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3342b18540cf5b2d7496","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qddc1b43219665fd93705","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":697,"speaker":"pz0***","date":"2026-02-22T04:11:07.198Z","text":"二是[删节：成员身份]买的喜币是二级市场，也就是别的韭菜卖给他自己脱坑拉他入坑，不属于直接被郭文贵诈骗的，这个要符合受害人退赔有难度。","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qddc1b43219665fd93705","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q77741a84f6e35a032b63","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":698,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-22T04:11:36.287Z","text":"［用户 xin***］ 他要的是翻案后 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你说呀","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9d5665ad0c2d7acf8a13","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd0479b70953b54dafd79","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9d5665ad0c2d7acf8a13","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q592677675216007a1c0c","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":703,"speaker":"pz0***","date":"2026-02-22T04:12:39.835Z","text":"你要么设置个日历提示看看，到年底会不会是这样","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q592677675216007a1c0c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q4513067339a58ea352bf","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":704,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-22T04:12:56.371Z","text":"不是四月份吗 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更没戏了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3a7fd6aaab3d2aa9da2e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3379062665b21f547638","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3a7fd6aaab3d2aa9da2e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q492eb51c957d9c8bf270","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":709,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-22T04:13:57.699Z","text":"量刑后 瑞恩的司法欺诈强制令就解冻了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q492eb51c957d9c8bf270","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q25275016ae78281fcab9","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":710,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-22T04:14:09.166Z","text":"废除没收 rule60","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q25275016ae78281fcab9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q75781a07418909ffe49f","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":711,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-22T04:14:31.961Z","text":"再加上老郭主案上诉肯定也要打废没收","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q75781a07418909ffe49f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q8731d98242d1dece235a","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":712,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-22T04:14:54.226Z","text":"五份强制令全都要解冻","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8731d98242d1dece235a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qebea0f229deebb025731","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":713,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-22T04:14:57.694Z","text":"你怎么没收？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qebea0f229deebb025731","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qfb5eaa4f892e13f3943e","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":714,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-22T04:16:56.292Z","text":"刑事案里 法治基金ROL没有被检方起诉\n在民事案里 一开始是因为班农 动了ROL的钱 买房子 班农和ROL CEO 被起诉rico\n貌似后来班农的起诉 又取消了\n但民事案对ROL的Rico还在\n\n还记得王雪冰 去NY开庭作证吧？他指认ROL的转钱 是郭指挥的\n这样刑事案 民事案 的Rico 就联系上了\nLuc可以用郭刑事案的Rico 到民事案去Rico ROL 追那300人\n\n郭最近动议 提到王 不是偶然","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd93329fe9b72b35b89f1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfb5eaa4f892e13f3943e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd93329fe9b72b35b89f1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q521eda0dcd4dc0c57922","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":715,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-22T04:20:25.435Z","text":"［用户 joh***］ 刑事案rico怎么立的清楚吗","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q521eda0dcd4dc0c57922","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q61e25b670a5570e8ec12","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":716,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-22T04:22:54.227Z","text":"四个实体啊 起于拱竹GTV报案 随后庭上的证人 把Gclub farm借贷 喜交所 都指认到 郭 王头上\n王一认罪 Rico 这事儿就成了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q521eda0dcd4dc0c57922","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q61e25b670a5570e8ec12","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q521eda0dcd4dc0c57922","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qe217913bb1b8cddc6de6","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":717,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-22T04:26:43.639Z","text":"官司赢了 损失都要赔的哦 加倍赔偿","edited":false,"reply_to":"qddc1b43219665fd93705","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe217913bb1b8cddc6de6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qddc1b43219665fd93705","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qae7da8a670a79b52196f","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":718,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-22T04:34:24.378Z","text":"拱卒报案 你好像已经百分百确定啦","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qae7da8a670a79b52196f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qa208a19f1b2dca4707e4","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":719,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-22T04:34:33.048Z","text":"要是真的 已经可以推翻了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa208a19f1b2dca4707e4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q77d9471d87d4c9a9d565","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":720,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-22T04:36:08.887Z","text":"如果刑事案 把郭从Rico剔除\n那么Luc就不能在民事案 Rico ROL 因为他是个人破产trustee\nROL肯定不是郭个人资产\n/一句话 Luc又是转法律空子 把刑事案的Rico 用到了破产案Rico\n/农场主们 收ROL汇款的 有福了 刑事案翻案 就安全了 去指认ROL主席 王雪冰就行了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q61e25b670a5570e8ec12","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q77d9471d87d4c9a9d565","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q61e25b670a5570e8ec12","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q6abd0864c37f16c58d08","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":721,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-22T04:36:47.460Z","text":"那现在关键是拱卒有没有报案","edited":false,"reply_to":"q77d9471d87d4c9a9d565","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6abd0864c37f16c58d08","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q77d9471d87d4c9a9d565","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q23440b5ff93800d79ece","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":722,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-22T04:36:51.408Z","text":"拱卒报案 rico推翻","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q23440b5ff93800d79ece","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qf18713c947a730532b33","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":723,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-22T04:36:54.170Z","text":"就这么简单","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf18713c947a730532b33","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q0d3f1914283dd323e710","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":724,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-22T04:36:55.390Z","text":"对吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0d3f1914283dd323e710","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qbc8fb48e7b5504f486ef","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":725,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-22T04:37:54.742Z","text":"不然为什么检方 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true","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbc8fb48e7b5504f486ef","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe77ca7adefc2eb6fb1ef","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbc8fb48e7b5504f486ef","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q37bc5058d11e141c7d5d","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":728,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-22T04:39:01.752Z","text":"喜国发行量这么大 养个鸡巴3孩","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q37bc5058d11e141c7d5d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q3b9a59b18bf6529b4b85","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":729,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-22T04:39:05.313Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息]","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3b9a59b18bf6529b4b85","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qa82143f49de9fdb983bf","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":730,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-22T04:39:25.447Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息]","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa82143f49de9fdb983bf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q554367f7a3f77116f8a1","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":731,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-22T04:39:35.808Z","text":"事出反常必有妖啊\n和青 鼓动853一样的道理","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe77ca7adefc2eb6fb1ef","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q554367f7a3f77116f8a1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe77ca7adefc2eb6fb1ef","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qdcf1297452949a7662a9","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":732,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-22T04:39:42.049Z","text":"喜国发行是多少枚来着","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdcf1297452949a7662a9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q1e33ba9c01431060af69","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":733,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-22T04:42:40.266Z","text":"结论先说：**这种说法在法律上并不成立，也不能简单推导出“Luc不能用RICO”或“ROL汇款的人就安全了”。**刑事RICO、民事RICO、破产程序是三个不同体系，彼此有关联，但不相互自动决定结果。\n下面分开解释关键法律点：\n一、刑事案是否包含RICO，并不自动决定民事或破产中的RICO权利\n1. 刑事RICO（18 U.S.C. § 1962 + § 1963）\n刑事RICO是：\n由美国政府起诉\n需要达到“排除合理怀疑”的证明标准\n目的是定罪和刑事没收\n如果刑事案中：\n没有RICO指控\n或RICO指控被撤销\n这只意味着：\n政府没有用RICO定罪\n但不等于：\n没有RICO行为\n或其他人不能提民事RICO\n这是非常重要的区别。\n2. 民事RICO（18 U.S.C. § 1964）\n民事RICO：\n可以由私人原告提起\n证明标准是“优势证据”（preponderance of evidence），远低于刑事标准\n不需要刑事定罪作为前提\n美国最高法院和各巡回法院都明确：\n民事RICO不依赖刑事RICO定罪存在\n也就是说：\n即使刑事案没有RICO，\n民事案仍然可以用RICO。\n二、破产 trustee（Luc）的权力来源不是刑事RICO\nLuc作为破产 trustee，他的权力来自：\n美国破产法：\n11 U.S.C. §§ 541, 544, 548, 550 等\n核心作用：\n他代表的是：\n破产财产整体（estate）\n不是郭个人\n而是：\n所有债权人的利益集合\n他可以：\n起诉追回资产\n起诉欺诈转移\n起诉第三方\n包括使用 civil RICO\n如果符合条件。\n这是破产法明确授权的。\n不依赖刑事RICO是否存在。\n三、ROL是不是郭个人资产，也不是由刑事RICO决定\nROL资产归属问题属于：\n事实和民事法律问题\n法院会看：\n资金来源\n控制权\n实际受益人\n是否为 nominee / alter ego\n不是简单看：\n刑事案是否用了RICO\n四、刑事案结果可能影响，但不会自动推翻破产案或民事案\n刑事案可能影响：\n例如：\n如果刑事法院明确认定：\n某资产不属于郭\n这可能被其他法院参考\n但：\n破产法院可以独立认定事实\n民事法院也可以独立认定\n五、关于“ROL汇款的人是否安全”\n这是最容易被误解的地方。\n法律上：\n是否安全取决于：\n是否：\nknowingly participated\n或属于 fraudulent transfer\n或 constructive fraudulent transfer\n而不是：\n刑事案是否有RICO。\n破产 trustee 可以：\n追讨：\nfraudulent transfers\n不依赖刑事RICO。\n六、关于“Luc利用刑事RICO漏洞”的说法\n从法律结构看：\n这不是漏洞。\n这是美国法律本身设计：\n刑事、民事、破产\n是三个独立体系。\n各自独立。\n七、一句话总结（法律准确版本）\n即使刑事案没有RICO指控或发生变化，也不会自动阻止破产 trustee 在民事或破产程序中使用 civil RICO 或其他法律理论追回资产，也不会自动使相关资金接收者免于法律风险。\n八、结合你正在关注的 SDNY Guo 案，现实中真正重要的是：\n法院最终认定：\n资产属于谁\n而不是：\n刑事起诉用了什么法律标签。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3b9a59b18bf6529b4b85","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1e33ba9c01431060af69","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3b9a59b18bf6529b4b85","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q22022724b019a165612a","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":734,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-22T04:48:21.558Z","text":"Luc 追ROL的时间 是王认罪后 还是？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1e33ba9c01431060af69","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q22022724b019a165612a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1e33ba9c01431060af69","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qe414be94d9d660ddf0ec","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":735,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-22T04:55:41.248Z","text":"为什么诈骗是危害国家安全","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7c89035ad37e33a60b54","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe414be94d9d660ddf0ec","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q00a226f8be04bc3f7121","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":736,"speaker":"pz0***","date":"2026-02-22T04:58:02.814Z","text":"我估计二巡这个月会给你答案","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe414be94d9d660ddf0ec","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q00a226f8be04bc3f7121","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe414be94d9d660ddf0ec","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q728d1009d97ee28121ad","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":737,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-22T04:58:12.059Z","text":"这里没有回答 两个不同性质案件审理过程中 资产归属 资产性质的动态变化","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q728d1009d97ee28121ad","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q9f0f71df0c8b9842ba82","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":738,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-02-22T04:59:52.452Z","text":"拱卒和朱莉娅的虚假债权现在已经被间接证明，就差它们报案的证据了，在量刑阶段，报案人是否必须公布？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9f0f71df0c8b9842ba82","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qa87ccd2dcd5220480ea2","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":739,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-22T05:03:21.544Z","text":"债权人利益 不涉及ROL 这是C3性质foundation\n所以 Luc通过Rico追ROL 只可能是因为它涉及fraud\n郭个人破产 不会涉及ROL 只可能是从 刑事案fraud 延伸到 破产案\n所以 王的认罪时间 是个节点","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa87ccd2dcd5220480ea2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q85745503f15434dea313","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":740,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-22T05:10:23.693Z","text":"这个推理有道理","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa87ccd2dcd5220480ea2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q85745503f15434dea313","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa87ccd2dcd5220480ea2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qfe272ffd1a48286ce2fb","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":741,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-22T05:10:44.310Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息]  我知道了 你是天道","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfe272ffd1a48286ce2fb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q1a557e3ca545c0c40562","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":742,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-02-22T05:11:38.025Z","text":"我认为不是","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfe272ffd1a48286ce2fb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1a557e3ca545c0c40562","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfe272ffd1a48286ce2fb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q26cbb73140ea7af11758","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":743,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-22T05:17:09.383Z","text":"刑事案Rico主体 可以剔除郭(GTV无罪) \nLuc通过 刑事案ROL欺诈-郭被rico-民事案ROL被Rico-Luc 去追ROL\n刑事案郭不涉及rico 在这个情况下 个人破产trustee Luc不能再把刑事案的Rico 延伸到民事案Rico 他没资格碰ROL","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q26cbb73140ea7af11758","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qf925eb98fe72547f02e6","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":744,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-22T05:42:34.918Z","text":"王雪冰是一步棋\n他庭上指认 郭指挥ROL转钱 王燕平认罪 ROL才会陷入欺诈\n刑事案 检方也说了 只要是涉及fraud都属于没收资产范围\nLuc在破产案追ROL 依据不是债权 而是刑事案里的fraud 而且必须有定罪+没收程序\n第一 刑事案 郭指挥ROL涉嫌欺诈的成立(王雪冰指证 王燕平认罪)\n第二 刑事案rico里有郭(涉嫌GTV)\n第三 民事案对ROL的rico","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf925eb98fe72547f02e6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q959307f909464020e3cf","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":745,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-22T05:46:42.578Z","text":"Luc依旧是玩儿的先有鸡再有蛋的游戏\n如果 刑事案 把郭从Rico拿掉(GTV无罪)\n那么 民事案 Luc和ROL联系不上","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q959307f909464020e3cf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q80ae46498d83600c454d","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":746,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-22T06:11:58.101Z","text":"也就是说luc搞rol是非法的？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q959307f909464020e3cf","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q80ae46498d83600c454d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q959307f909464020e3cf","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q66070369498dd4789f0f","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":747,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-22T06:19:18.988Z","text":"GTV innocent 中间环节不成立\n所以检方依旧要把GTV扯进fraud\n也是玩儿 先有鸡再有蛋的游戏","edited":false,"reply_to":"q80ae46498d83600c454d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q66070369498dd4789f0f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q80ae46498d83600c454d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qc73cfbe48c3181179296","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":748,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-22T06:22:32.885Z","text":"希望那些收ROL钱 但没有参与转钱洗钱的300人 可以站出来指证王雪冰 还有自己的农场主 (账号怎么给他们的 什么理由)\n他们才是Himalaya Alliance的共谋 其他人算不上","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc73cfbe48c3181179296","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qf552b2b9e9966c9c5c50","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":749,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-22T07:48:15.213Z","text":"四个二巡都并案了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf552b2b9e9966c9c5c50","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qfb7d6d943db8d20cc31a","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":750,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-22T07:48:28.806Z","text":"这个月不可能有结果","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfb7d6d943db8d20cc31a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q75a1f3bf43e24118b97c","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":751,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-02-22T08:10:57.718Z","text":"现在诈骗洗钱被拿掉，还有个敲诈勒索。敲诈勒索我都不知道怎么生起的？检方对这个罪名的叙事是怎样的，我都没找到。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q75a1f3bf43e24118b97c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qa4a75192d490f0db68d9","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":752,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-02-22T08:12:24.755Z","text":"https://x.com/sarahzh67248600/status/2025483696749642225?s=12&t=eXMPp66CZUFD_7vvMedcSA","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa4a75192d490f0db68d9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q1a22f29b3e756cd066a9","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":753,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-22T08:31:32.843Z","text":"[删节：成员身份] 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终将散去","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf3778030c3ade9c2c77a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q8b1257bef99bcd435218","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":794,"speaker":"tig***","date":"2026-02-22T09:07:35.661Z","text":"只有天道永恒","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8b1257bef99bcd435218","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q01c87afaee656bf53ea2","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":795,"speaker":"tig***","date":"2026-02-22T09:08:17.659Z","text":"芮小丹 林宇峰 刘冰 格律师 乐圣 都是如此","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q01c87afaee656bf53ea2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qc2269209da0d3e9fd152","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":796,"speaker":"tig***","date":"2026-02-22T09:08:40.758Z","text":"只不过是散去的早与晚的区别","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc2269209da0d3e9fd152","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"q6209c26550856bb420a2","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":797,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-22T09:09:18.817Z","text":"然后呢","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6209c26550856bb420a2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qa70e15b99a41493b40b3","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":798,"speaker":"tig***","date":"2026-02-22T09:09:26.395Z","text":"刘冰跳楼 正是最鲜明的例子","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa70e15b99a41493b40b3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qf6a8f003fc4c8575d0ac","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":799,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-22T09:09:37.019Z","text":"永恒个屁\n你说的都是在农耕文明儒家框架里的道\n不适合海洋文明体系","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf3778030c3ade9c2c77a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf6a8f003fc4c8575d0ac","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf3778030c3ade9c2c77a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"},{"id":"qa9406acdfcc49b1ba1c8","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":800,"speaker":"tig***","date":"2026-02-22T09:11:06.183Z","text":"其实刘冰在拿到所谓的文件的时候结局就注定了 丁元英只是加速了这一过程","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa9406acdfcc49b1ba1c8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000080","next_batch_id":"batch-000082"}