{"id":"batch-000083","number":83,"revision":1,"date_start":"2026-02-23T07:08:54.156Z","date_end":"2026-02-25T02:53:29.796Z","total_messages":1000,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 083 (Feb 23, 2026 – Feb 25, 2026), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. From Feb 23–25, 2026, participants moved from grief and fear after farm-loan losses to technical disputes over responsibility, evidence, and remedy. They argued over who signed and controlled farm-loan obligations, whether assets were recoverable through GTV/SEC or personal accounts, and whether forfeiture could be narrowed through filings tied to § 853(n) (notably ECF 806) or a CIPA filing referenced as Doc 339. Discussions also repeatedly debated Witness-2, disclosure timing, and procedural fairness, with many messages framed as speculation or rumor rather than verified proof. Community statements, not court findings.","guide_en":[{"title":"Coexisting Panic Narratives After Farm Loan Losses","description":"Participants claim the thread opened with emotional reactions about arrests, disappearances, and financial panic, then moved toward uncertainty about specific harms and who was actually in the legal crosshairs. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q5c0749f616844bcbb8ba","q81d082905c33cf5b7ac8","q9f3014cf57ee70eef987"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q5c0749f616844bcbb8ba","summary_en":"A participant asked whether anyone had been arrested after investing, showing early fear and rumor-driven framing of risk. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q81d082905c33cf5b7ac8","summary_en":"Another participant followed up by asking whether people around the inquirer had faced the same danger, reinforcing the panic narrative. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q9f3014cf57ee70eef987","summary_en":"Someone added that people had been summoned, a claim used to heighten legal anxiety rather than confirm outcomes. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Dispute Over Farm Loan Identity and Signature Responsibility","description":"Participants contend that the discussion quickly centered on whether this was truly a farm-loan transaction and who among many actors had signed for it, but no shared conclusion emerged. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qa475be7ac5587461ba4c","qec004f53075218b95fd2","q562b6cc2cf6f2e05b383"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qa475be7ac5587461ba4c","summary_en":"A participant asked if the project should be treated as a farm loan, opening a core classification dispute. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qec004f53075218b95fd2","summary_en":"Another participant asserted that people had invested over one million, emphasizing substantial financial exposure tied to that classification. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q562b6cc2cf6f2e05b383","summary_en":"A response of “yes” was given, but the thread did not clarify what was being confirmed, leaving accountability boundaries unresolved. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Can Funds Be Recovered: GTV/SEC and Personal Account Attribution","description":"Participants dispute whether the loans qualify as GTV and where recoverable assets might sit, and they repeatedly describe accounting records as too unclear to support confident recovery claims. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qaa5ac2558793630e41ff","qfd23dac5650d464dc145","q653f87ac15c017e73950"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qaa5ac2558793630e41ff","summary_en":"One participant asked whether the lending activity counted as GTV, seeking a legal and financial categorization. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qfd23dac5650d464dc145","summary_en":"Another participant replied that it did not count, showing immediate disagreement on fund treatment. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q653f87ac15c017e73950","summary_en":"A third message described the books as muddled and hard to untangle, indicating limited confidence in tracing funds. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"CIPA/RICO Timeline and Evidence Sequence Became the Main Divide","description":"Participants claim the thread converged on timeline and evidentiary sequencing, with CIPA and RICO references used to challenge who controls review order and what defense access is effectively allowed. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qf1304bee4395322f75c7","qf6788d447b99a720307b","q5ebd52b9de0e71d1c3e4"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qf1304bee4395322f75c7","summary_en":"A participant suggested the timeline implies Witness-2 was sensitive to the prosecution and actively kept away from the stand, a point of procedural suspicion. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf6788d447b99a720307b","summary_en":"Another participant said the prosecution reviewed matters with the judge first, framing a sequencing contention. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q5ebd52b9de0e71d1c3e4","summary_en":"A related point noted mutual acknowledgment that both sides’ evidence is presented through the prosecution for judicial review. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"361/364 and Disclosure-Version Disputes Triggered Transparency Concerns","description":"Participants dispute how quickly and how fully 361/364-related materials were uploaded, with arguments over redaction and delayed or unredacted versions feeding broader transparency complaints. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qd238e93377a330b33250","q6f3b3749957705efde23","q44a6701c67071856a008"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qd238e93377a330b33250","summary_en":"A participant asked how many days after filing the first three 361/364 materials were uploaded in the Southern District, highlighting a timeline dispute. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q6f3b3749957705efde23","summary_en":"Another estimated the delay at up to three days, offering a competing timeline claim. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q44a6701c67071856a008","summary_en":"A further participant added that unredacted versions existed in the Southern District, strengthening concerns about selective disclosure. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Witness-2 Identity Was Repeatedly Corrected","description":"Participants contested the identity and status of Witness-2, with multiple corrections narrowing the claim from courtroom testimony to an anticipated government witness whose filing role remained central. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q34e03e02744fae0ed99a","q669dd71eab0ec80bd167","q4be156c3ce161d38dc48"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q34e03e02744fae0ed99a","summary_en":"One participant corrected an earlier claim, saying Witness-2 was not the in-court analyst witness and may not have appeared publicly. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q669dd71eab0ec80bd167","summary_en":"Another confirmed Witness-2 as a pretrial witness who did not show up, reinforcing the corrected identification. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q4be156c3ce161d38dc48","summary_en":"A later message cited Doc 339 CIPA materials, calling Witness-2 an anticipated government witness, which tied the identity dispute to formal motion language. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Split on Litigation Strategy: Counsel Withdrawal, Pro Se, and Motions","description":"Participants contend that strategy split between those urging independent pro se action and others advocating process restraint, with strong disagreement over handling defense counsel, victim framing, and procedural posture. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q1dafbf337cf655f5bfd7","q9d6a82b146c284e674d2","q2fc030728f5747ddb0ec"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q1dafbf337cf655f5bfd7","summary_en":"A participant argued representation should be cancelled first before any other steps and urged direct pro se third-party action against Guo-related proceedings. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q9d6a82b146c284e674d2","summary_en":"Another participant warned against contacting defense counsel, reinforcing the internal strategic divide. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q2fc030728f5747ddb0ec","summary_en":"An extended summary of ECF 806 was cited, arguing the defense sought full disclosure of § 853(n) petitions and challenged shifts in forfeiture handling as affecting potential forfeiture amount and sentencing impact. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Forensic Preservation: Backing Up Group Chats and Exporting Histories","description":"Participants argue that preserving chat records was a practical pivot, with calls to export Discord data and export formats so evidence claims could be mined and reused systematically rather than relying only on debate. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q7ac0acd063fe71f7b200","qb32a15610a3d0231726a","q4fd8e904246c62749120"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q7ac0acd063fe71f7b200","summary_en":"A participant urged all farm groups to export and back up Discord records, framing documentation as urgent. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qb32a15610a3d0231726a","summary_en":"Another asked for help exporting alliance-group history, arguing the archive is important for future AI-assisted review. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q4fd8e904246c62749120","summary_en":"A participant posted a step-by-step export guide with channel selection, format choices, and export execution, turning sentiment into recordkeeping practice. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Alliance Fracture: Kicks, Pay Statements, Silence, and Enforcement Boundaries","description":"Participants contend that internal alliance tensions escalated into selective engagement: some pushed external promotion messaging while others complained about discomfort and skepticism toward official updates. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qd43a45803b136711f9ab","q3696ef71c811a9e23a7d","q54cdf1af6672253c770d"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qd43a45803b136711f9ab","summary_en":"One participant suggested promoting the “Revolution leak” to family and friends, highlighting community mobilization impulses. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q3696ef71c811a9e23a7d","summary_en":"Another said many people looked at the speaker as uncomfortable, indicating social friction within the group. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q54cdf1af6672253c770d","summary_en":"A later message asked whether alliance meeting reports existed and admitted only selective listening during Guo-related updates, showing contested communication boundaries. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"External Influence and Grid-like Narrative Speculation Fueled Confrontation","description":"Participants dispute whether outsiders or internal actors were leaking leadership-level information, while skepticism is expressed over the informational value of alliance channels and broader fears about the case outcome. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q3cfb6c8228c1917fae06","q29e7a1540b7918151306","q80a03cc580a2e1750411"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q3cfb6c8228c1917fae06","summary_en":"One participant downplayed the alliance group as lacking meaningful content, contesting its evidentiary value. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q29e7a1540b7918151306","summary_en":"Another claimed that A-Bing had briefed several DC executives, feeding speculation about information flow channels. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q80a03cc580a2e1750411","summary_en":"A participant concluded the case looked so opaque that public disclosure could have broader mental-health impacts, a prognostic argument not a documented fact. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Post-plea Outcome and “Spy” Identity of Wang Yanping Were Contested","description":"Participants argue that Wang Yanping’s role and effect on outcomes were framed as contentious, with competing claims about whether her plea context predetermined sentencing narratives and whether she was allegedly an intelligence actor. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q3d7c3c9920434cdc3e77","q89f2604927ab5ba70ea3","q3cda93e494e004e8e31d"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q3d7c3c9920434cdc3e77","summary_en":"One participant asserted that without Wang, nothing was possible for Guo, arguing the court’s sentencing was already shaped by the government’s crime narrative under Judge Torres. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q89f2604927ab5ba70ea3","summary_en":"Another queried whether Guo was unaware that Wang was an intelligence figure, reinforcing the identity-dispute thread. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q3cda93e494e004e8e31d","summary_en":"A third cited a prior spy claim by one participant that was later challenged for lack of evidence, indicating internal fact-checking tension. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Personal Survival Anxiety Rose Over Regret and Loss Control","description":"Participants claim their practical focus shifted to personal survival language, expressing regret, emotional exhaustion, and surrender around recovery expectations after unrecoverable losses. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qe60d5b0da292746f761f","q7e7830e49e7579e427d8","q80f478d72edb79167090"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qe60d5b0da292746f761f","summary_en":"A participant asked whether there was any chance left, implying serious distress and perceived loss of recovery options. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q7e7830e49e7579e427d8","summary_en":"Another vented about not wanting to spiral into distress while recognizing the money was gone. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q80f478d72edb79167090","summary_en":"A final message advised giving up on reclaiming funds, reinforcing a resignation theme about irretrievability. Community statements, not court findings."}]}],"summary":"讨论起点是农场借贷受害后的情绪反应：抓捕、失联、失业等说法并存。随后焦点转向“farm loan”认定、签字主体与责任边界，围绕谁签约、谁负责及郭系与多主体结构始终未定。接着形成两大争议轴：其一是资产追回与没收范围，涉及GTV/SEC、个人账户、财产归属及853(n)路径；其二是程序正义，围绕CIPA、RICO、二巡、361/364、证据提交完整性和公开性，影响上诉与量刑预期。讨论后期出现分流：部分人转向留痕取证与动议推进（如备份Discord、导出聊天记录），反对只做情绪化讨论；另一部分则围绕witness-2、Tony、阿丙、联盟治理和外部操控猜测放大身份与忠诚冲突。多数观点均以未核实材料为边界，未形成一致结论。","guide":[{"title":"农场借贷受害后果与恐慌叙事并行","message_ids":["q5c0749f616844bcbb8ba","q81d082905c33cf5b7ac8","q9f3014cf57ee70eef987"]},{"title":"farm 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政府官员  如果案件前就知道这个事实","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf224ea1df83064c8abab","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"qf22927020f973d1516de","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":602,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-24T09:55:14.327Z","text":"也属于郭的把ccp拉入法庭","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf22927020f973d1516de","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"qf65790ec660bce5c0517","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":603,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-24T09:56:20.237Z","text":"那案件也是炸了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf224ea1df83064c8abab","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf65790ec660bce5c0517","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf224ea1df83064c8abab","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"qdb19e4d940c5163c5c5e","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":604,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-24T09:56:41.937Z","text":"逻辑上。 文贵等的cipa应该是这个 只有这点 直接原地爆掉整个案子。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdb19e4d940c5163c5c5e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"qf7404c4f82d46840df05","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":605,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-24T09:56:52.552Z","text":"但这是个死局","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdb19e4d940c5163c5c5e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf7404c4f82d46840df05","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdb19e4d940c5163c5c5e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q8676e499c7e12d3bac1f","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":606,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-24T09:56:57.589Z","text":"爆不出来","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8676e499c7e12d3bac1f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"qfe390952162901de274d","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":607,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-24T09:57:01.171Z","text":"只能等量刑后","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfe390952162901de274d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q525e9695234541605530","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":608,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-24T09:57:08.138Z","text":"tony救了这个！！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q525e9695234541605530","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"qca64d055e3f7e1b96dc0","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":609,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-24T09:57:22.917Z","text":"tony的强制令的切尼进入条件","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qca64d055e3f7e1b96dc0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q60fec3172e3476596f59","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":610,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-24T09:57:40.801Z","text":"是控辩双方在那里搞cipa 原因是cipa影响量刑","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q60fec3172e3476596f59","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q31dc03aca72a03a3cc0c","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":611,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-24T09:58:48.136Z","text":"除非突然的情报解密  证明了政府提前知道王是特务。\n或者ccp叛逃者证明。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q31dc03aca72a03a3cc0c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"qf40918bedb9e5336a1c0","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":612,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-24T09:59:00.369Z","text":"法官已经封了常规渠道。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf40918bedb9e5336a1c0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"qe6f6b2d66367378b8a78","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":613,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-24T09:59:42.580Z","text":"但tony的证据也影响南区 你南区给控辩双方讨论cipa的机会 但tony 的动议打压 构成双重标准","edited":false,"reply_to":"q60fec3172e3476596f59","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe6f6b2d66367378b8a78","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q60fec3172e3476596f59","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"qd61d2b7c1fc4e1efdec9","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":614,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-24T10:00:11.898Z","text":"郭案翻案 走到现在只能靠 极低概率的 小概率突发外力","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd61d2b7c1fc4e1efdec9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"qda81edeedfcbc87b2216","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":615,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-24T10:00:40.502Z","text":"这种概率只有情报界能创造","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qda81edeedfcbc87b2216","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q0bcf92fcaa72f3adc8c8","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":616,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-24T10:00:47.964Z","text":"你查查这个cipa 郭主案上诉 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老郭主案开cipa的机会多大","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaa4ae97fff6baafa6ed2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"qb8e35bceea8128b3d66b","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":628,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-24T10:08:29.037Z","text":"涉及两国intelligence 这应该不一样了吧？\n刑事 民事重叠","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8153e5532d4b9fd74ba6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb8e35bceea8128b3d66b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8153e5532d4b9fd74ba6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q67581634c7fcad582dc3","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":629,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-24T10:08:36.185Z","text":"上诉就是重新开始 cipa重开","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0bcf92fcaa72f3adc8c8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q67581634c7fcad582dc3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0bcf92fcaa72f3adc8c8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q29c86c4e86f02d4d8d32","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":630,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-24T10:09:02.972Z","text":"我甚至觉得老郭[屏蔽词]律师可以申请强制令","edited":true,"reply_to":"q67581634c7fcad582dc3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q29c86c4e86f02d4d8d32","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q67581634c7fcad582dc3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q4ca8cc757987dfd2a8ce","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":631,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-24T10:09:57.662Z","text":"如果上诉重开","edited":false,"reply_to":"q67581634c7fcad582dc3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4ca8cc757987dfd2a8ce","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q67581634c7fcad582dc3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q89ad5a26f0dc0ff7d0a0","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":632,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-24T10:10:01.512Z","text":"那翻案稳了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q89ad5a26f0dc0ff7d0a0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q2751974429ebafd1a206","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":633,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-24T10:10:09.947Z","text":"有了tony的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2751974429ebafd1a206","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q563499409c702bcaf826","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":634,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-24T10:10:12.501Z","text":"你必须重开","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q563499409c702bcaf826","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q6a3ed6c0e04d4018a4a8","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":635,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-24T10:10:28.561Z","text":"否则双重标准","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6a3ed6c0e04d4018a4a8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"qdb340234899b348a67a1","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":636,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-24T10:10:49.061Z","text":"但前提是老郭的cipa真的是那个东西","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdb340234899b348a67a1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q3e53cce998c91d524512","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":637,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-24T10:11:05.306Z","text":"而且 民事原告 也有spy 背景\n单 说不定也在那个cipa名单","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3e53cce998c91d524512","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"qea2869d4fa2b7b1a8436","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":638,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-24T10:12:21.173Z","text":"ai评估 能立刻翻案的核爆点就是\n\n政府官员提前知道王世ccp间谍。提前知道而不披漏，不仅是程序不正义，是宪法危机。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea2869d4fa2b7b1a8436","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"qfd1e2cdc02bda755018c","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":639,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-24T10:12:52.606Z","text":"PAX是间谍组织呢？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfd1e2cdc02bda755018c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q1f817a535c862b53b030","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":640,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-24T10:13:01.818Z","text":"拱卒也是特务","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1f817a535c862b53b030","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q47200b2924e2f475c802","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":641,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-24T10:13:04.653Z","text":"司法欺诈","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q47200b2924e2f475c802","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q89fc91007bfbfec11c38","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":642,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-24T10:13:10.248Z","text":"尼玛特务多了去了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q89fc91007bfbfec11c38","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q06a95b2f289b7be4bbd2","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":643,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-24T10:13:16.757Z","text":"全都是特务","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q06a95b2f289b7be4bbd2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q17451b69494ee973f728","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":644,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-24T10:13:34.347Z","text":"政府不披露","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q17451b69494ee973f728","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q68dcbd89ec99ef84578d","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":645,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-24T10:14:19.785Z","text":"破产案都没了 刑事案王判了也没用","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q68dcbd89ec99ef84578d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q1f47180079f2c7894556","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":646,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-24T10:14:27.818Z","text":"ai排名对郭案伤害最大的是王 分析资料上面都发了 \n\n郭826提前见了 华盛顿来的官员 \n\ncipa反复要的就是这个","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1f47180079f2c7894556","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"qefcdbc64f58f56615cc8","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":647,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-24T10:14:37.415Z","text":"逻辑基本通了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qefcdbc64f58f56615cc8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"qcd26819aae8dcddf19f4","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":648,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-24T10:15:28.181Z","text":"政府知道什么为什么如此重要","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcd26819aae8dcddf19f4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q80ce3699321871f78005","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":649,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-02-24T10:15:29.202Z","text":"所以决定权在川普了？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q80ce3699321871f78005","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q05564953ebc90766433c","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":650,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-24T10:16:04.921Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 你问问 tony对二巡重开cipa有没有帮助","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q05564953ebc90766433c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q4804dbd556a35cf78f77","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":651,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-24T10:17:12.960Z","text":"所以救文贵先生的还得是他自己  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我们别在这意淫啊","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e97ac418e40176989a2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q3978551bb1316cd5d5a3","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":662,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-24T10:19:30.964Z","text":"结果人家根本不是特务🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3978551bb1316cd5d5a3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q602c9b3cd10511c6b124","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":663,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-02-24T10:23:21.943Z","text":"联盟一直说王是英雄，反过来看就对了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q602c9b3cd10511c6b124","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"qde8e04b9bda824015390","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":664,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-24T10:25:05.562Z","text":"tony对cipa有什么用","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5ab398b3728f4ca53528","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qde8e04b9bda824015390","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q0cf5bcfa847b6587ed9a","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":665,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-24T10:25:47.370Z","text":"CIPA是郭案上诉中最有技术含量、最有可能产生实质影响的论点之一。 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大局已定了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2033f16a9fd97b3bb0c2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0c52a1558063a7a8ce7b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2033f16a9fd97b3bb0c2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"qd462c5c8ec12fe81afe4","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":671,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-24T10:32:52.858Z","text":"郭二巡用tony开cipa翻案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd462c5c8ec12fe81afe4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"qbaf79e14a56dff9edbbf","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":672,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-24T10:33:40.180Z","text":"尼玛 tony和郭是好基友","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbaf79e14a56dff9edbbf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q5c64249047d0f87db278","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":673,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-24T10:33:51.254Z","text":"tony用郭南区的cipa立案强制令","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5c64249047d0f87db278","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"qe0e88e50cba1f5cc85be","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":674,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-24T10:35:25.068Z","text":"大概率 tony是来外力撬开cipa的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe0e88e50cba1f5cc85be","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"qf037dd807377422b7548","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":675,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-24T10:35:38.123Z","text":"等等 那现在变成南区拒绝ci pa","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd41346976db7a5693bd1","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf037dd807377422b7548","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"qb1f397d6f2d091aae708","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":676,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-24T10:35:45.775Z","text":"构成双重标准","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb1f397d6f2d091aae708","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q7bf7b7745700a069db3e","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":677,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-24T10:36:00.128Z","text":"南区一致拒绝cipa呀 上面cipa的时间线 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所以南区控辩cipa研究来研究去","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5cca3df2a47f3572468c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q867ec6b5d5caab6cd40a","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":680,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-24T10:36:38.279Z","text":"但tony的cvra动议也影响量刑 不上传 那就是双标","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q867ec6b5d5caab6cd40a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q689a27ccb5c6c66d38ea","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":681,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-24T10:36:45.578Z","text":"ok 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361论证了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8155cb118ce1f2a169a0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"qd2be21f217b1faef3df8","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":684,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-24T10:37:47.545Z","text":"二巡认为 tony影响量刑的东西 值得在量刑前审查 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很重要","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe8d218add9abb6bf937a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"qa31219603a069ec6933a","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":688,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-24T10:38:21.489Z","text":"就和上级法庭的态度矛盾","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa31219603a069ec6933a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q1d3956dac250b616150c","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":689,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-24T10:38:30.368Z","text":"一直撬不开的cipa tony就是外力来撬开","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1d3956dac250b616150c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"qeb84b1533a9d5fb99f25","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":690,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-24T10:38:51.852Z","text":"意思就是 tony的立案","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1d3956dac250b616150c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeb84b1533a9d5fb99f25","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1d3956dac250b616150c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"qc57180082cd80b3f8d12","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":691,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-24T10:38:56.033Z","text":"倒逼南区开","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc57180082cd80b3f8d12","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q70f5424dca61c0ac1f78","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":692,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-24T10:39:09.697Z","text":"南区不开 就是和上级法院不一致","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q70f5424dca61c0ac1f78","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"qd750b7f8e989edd300ab","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":693,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-24T10:39:28.402Z","text":"所以郭到二巡肯定会开","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd750b7f8e989edd300ab","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q13d6512a6a75a17bfed3","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":694,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-24T10:39:45.300Z","text":"嗯， 被证明的事实，现在不主动开， 未来就是大责任","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q13d6512a6a75a17bfed3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"qdbc98375dbaa4ffcdd22","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":695,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-24T10:40:06.664Z","text":"而托雷斯判决都下来了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q13d6512a6a75a17bfed3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdbc98375dbaa4ffcdd22","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q13d6512a6a75a17bfed3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"qd8f4f6ca2bf256a3bd10","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":696,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-24T10:40:25.024Z","text":"老郭赢了？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd8f4f6ca2bf256a3bd10","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q5538ec2fb88ee7cd32d8","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":697,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-24T10:40:34.092Z","text":"但这只是我们意淫的那种情况","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5538ec2fb88ee7cd32d8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q08f3efd653b49fbfcccd","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":698,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-24T10:41:53.836Z","text":"低概率强大外力 郭能翻案 这是当前事实","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q08f3efd653b49fbfcccd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q8edde231e345b6450e1f","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":699,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-24T10:42:12.558Z","text":"否则就是意淫 当游戏玩","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8edde231e345b6450e1f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q77a62dc306d5aa730ebc","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":700,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-24T10:42:58.860Z","text":"法官可以重开cipa 除非被逼 他有权力开","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q77a62dc306d5aa730ebc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q81a592f8661b18b84c87","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":701,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-24T10:43:17.223Z","text":"不是死的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdbc98375dbaa4ffcdd22","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q81a592f8661b18b84c87","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdbc98375dbaa4ffcdd22","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"qc55cd02a9ab1575a8b26","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":702,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-24T10:44:03.868Z","text":"最关键的单一事件是：第二巡回区在tandem 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spy身份？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf7d72f39b388776ed667","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q8b47809fca3016cb23db","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":705,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-24T10:54:43.726Z","text":"郭既然要玩儿 肯定要把PAX拉进来 CIPA也可以用","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8b47809fca3016cb23db","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q3fc004a8b24380ec585b","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":706,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-24T10:54:45.986Z","text":"刑事案郭出来 立马就反打了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3fc004a8b24380ec585b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q60671a265ec3edf9f6c1","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":707,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-02-24T10:59:24.640Z","text":"［用户 ton***］","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q60671a265ec3edf9f6c1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"qe6912d610285f7850c09","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":708,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-24T11:06:01.890Z","text":"Lawyer张 最近出来 是被逼的\n他很可能已经没有了跑路的机会 不出来继续演 就是si","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe6912d610285f7850c09","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q310d06954329e5e5c3bf","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":709,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-24T11:26:09.112Z","text":"［用户 ton***］ AI把破产案消化完了\n有个问题\nLuc在破产案里Rico 法治基金ROL转钱流水\n依据是什么？和刑事案里GTV被Rico 有没有关系？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q310d06954329e5e5c3bf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"qdec7b29995e336b65df3","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":710,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-24T11:49:23.561Z","text":"ai有幻觉 ai也会犯错 ai只是人类的加速器不是决策器","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdec7b29995e336b65df3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"qa37402060a84deea3536","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":711,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-02-24T11:54:29.728Z","text":"以虚假债权为基础，破产案和刑事案里的司法欺诈结果互相引用，循环论证，就把造出来案件推进到现在这个地步，翻案还是要从源头翻，还得是luc。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa37402060a84deea3536","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q74e2211661ab589ace62","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":712,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-24T11:58:02.331Z","text":"没必要 反着 就行 破产案 眼看的屎坑 谁都会被绕晕","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q74e2211661ab589ace62","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q22dff68cb2c39fff541c","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":713,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-24T11:58:35.670Z","text":"能让二巡强制托雷斯解密cipa 吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf40918bedb9e5336a1c0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q22dff68cb2c39fff541c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf40918bedb9e5336a1c0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q2d60425836f7edb78ebd","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":714,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-24T11:59:33.124Z","text":"请看上面 分析 二巡无需强制 只要触发即可","edited":false,"reply_to":"q22dff68cb2c39fff541c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2d60425836f7edb78ebd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q22dff68cb2c39fff541c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q87bbd63062add0d0032d","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":715,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-02-24T12:06:03.324Z","text":"那个检方，陪审团裁定gtv无罪了，陪审团并没有裁定gtv是rico工具，它就是要一厢情愿的说是rico工具，只要说gtv等是rico工具，没收gtv等g系列里的钱就可以不接受853n的挑战，然后是否需要独立认证来确定是否属于rico企业，目前在法律实践中一直没有稳定下来，如果不去死磕，根据地院和巡回法院为了省事的惯例，它就是可能跳过853n,被稀里糊涂没收。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q87bbd63062add0d0032d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"qf51485f631c57ac11a68","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":716,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-02-24T12:08:34.249Z","text":"这次过了两个工作日了，南区还没上传立案记录，不知道是二巡那边出了事还是南区这边出了事，感觉有故事，就像之前南区的自诉部门负责人突然空缺一样。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf51485f631c57ac11a68","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"qe15058ef17f9e01c5b7b","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":717,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-02-24T13:10:56.686Z","text":"莫非托大人正准备化妆潜逃😁","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf51485f631c57ac11a68","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe15058ef17f9e01c5b7b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf51485f631c57ac11a68","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"qc24e678dca008d1be875","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":718,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-02-24T13:14:50.030Z","text":"记得老郭以前说过孙的卷宗会出现，也许已经从各种渠道递上来了或者早就埋好了雷，然后被层层阻拦，但唯一拦不住的就是自诉，到头来还是9个锅盖10口锅，总有漏网之鱼。\n\n围绕CIPA和tony的战斗可能才是决战。\n\n之前各种 什么 你到底是853A还是853B / 你到底受没受害 的各种唾沫横飞的大乱斗，都是有意无意的烟雾弹🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc24e678dca008d1be875","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"qe9e95b831538f9787169","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":719,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-02-24T13:54:27.560Z","text":"老郭最近提过爱泼斯坦记录披露；说虽然一些被篡改，但是关于ccp的还没有被篡改 - 这里面有没有关于王彦平、善伟建 PAG的？ 无证已经在里面了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe9e95b831538f9787169","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"qc554cb988ff5396ca37e","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":720,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-24T14:01:50.209Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 这个点 \n因为GTV投资 是捐赠给ROL \n导致ROL的钱 来源非法(前提GTV诈骗)\n目前陪审团定罪 GTV无罪情况下\n水源无毒 ROL就不涉及欺诈","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc554cb988ff5396ca37e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q26fc01b797b97dcff3d3","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":721,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-24T14:07:00.025Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 所以AI在这点 是不是也被绕晕了\n刑事案只是起诉GTV诈骗 在起诉阶段 Luc就拿这个为依据 把ROL的资金来源 做成非法 (水源“可能”有毒) 从而在破产案开始Rico 追ROL","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q26fc01b797b97dcff3d3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q93b01b00723c721cfe8d","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":722,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-24T14:10:47.257Z","text":"Luc显然也是在玩儿 先有鸡 再有蛋 的游戏","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q93b01b00723c721cfe8d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q040c39196ff747dc222e","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":723,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-02-24T14:22:09.064Z","text":"因为共谋诈骗成立，检方和luc的说辞是，gtv项目本身无罪与gtv是rico企业并不矛盾，共谋欺诈成立，啥都往rico这个框里装。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q26fc01b797b97dcff3d3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q040c39196ff747dc222e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q26fc01b797b97dcff3d3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"qb527d5a5008b09a88200","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":724,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-24T14:24:53.268Z","text":"对啊 没错\n但恰恰说明 ROL的资金来源没有问题\n水源无毒\n破产案里 Luc 没有资格 追ROL\nROL不是郭个人资产","edited":false,"reply_to":"q040c39196ff747dc222e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb527d5a5008b09a88200","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q040c39196ff747dc222e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"qfbaaa74494dda7d2e763","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":725,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-02-24T14:30:40.629Z","text":"检方的初步没收令716有法治基金法治社会，法官批准的720就没有了。检方的rico叙事跟破产案是一样的，所有g系列都是郭的，用的都是专业名词，什么影子实体，傀儡结构，替代自我，乱七八糟的玩意，反正就是郭的，所以进入破产财团，然后检方就用这个来证明被告转移了投资者的资产从而产生了受害者。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb527d5a5008b09a88200","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfbaaa74494dda7d2e763","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb527d5a5008b09a88200","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q79ad5260f1c9d401fd43","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":726,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-24T15:05:33.484Z","text":"还是那句话 Rico四个实体\nGTV GCLUB 农场借贷 HEX\n后面三个都有受益人 与郭无关\nGTV无罪 郭自然要从rico中 被剔除\n破产案个人受托人Luc 也就没资格把剩余三个实体 涉及资金 拖进破产案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q79ad5260f1c9d401fd43","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q30c506f1e4afc2e0dd60","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":727,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-24T15:10:22.356Z","text":"换句话说 Luc滚回破产案 刑事案没他事儿\n破产案 他还没资格 动ROL","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q30c506f1e4afc2e0dd60","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q7f9c4e751e10f51d57db","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":728,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-24T15:23:06.010Z","text":"GTV无罪 刑事案原始报案人的资格 也没了 \n立案依据没了 还Rico个屁 剩余三个实体洗钱 要分开立案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7f9c4e751e10f51d57db","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q6e977b3d3f3187473578","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":729,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-24T15:27:16.912Z","text":"Luc在破产案 无钱可追 因为他没资格触及 那三个实体 ROL也别想了\n倒是作为trustee 18楼被烧 他没保护好 要被郭 起诉 赔钱\n郭还能起诉拱竹 Julia 美国小李 虚假登记债权人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6e977b3d3f3187473578","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"qdf56689976aad1167aff","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":730,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-24T15:39:02.938Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息]最早是“[删节：隐私信息]”的账号说的","edited":true,"reply_to":"q602c9b3cd10511c6b124","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdf56689976aad1167aff","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q602c9b3cd10511c6b124","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q33131539541ffad53e7f","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":731,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-24T15:40:11.956Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息]账号说，郭打电话出来，说[删节：隐私信息]😵‍💫","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q33131539541ffad53e7f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"qf2d928943c8f588a3919","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":732,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-24T15:41:39.423Z","text":"Luc可追索 但只限于个人破产案","edited":false,"reply_to":"qda16e0bba920850b5119","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf2d928943c8f588a3919","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q66c21dea149996177225","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":733,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-24T15:43:25.383Z","text":"机器人说，Gtv无罪，不等于郭不能被rico","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf2d928943c8f588a3919","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q66c21dea149996177225","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf2d928943c8f588a3919","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"qa3eda19e21e54ac3032f","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":734,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-24T15:44:02.076Z","text":"郭能不能rico，要看他是不是对g系列有实际控制权，有没有资产权益","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa3eda19e21e54ac3032f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q4dea4d25cd1aeb192536","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":735,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-24T15:44:25.313Z","text":"那就在郭个人破产案Rico\n破产案里 能和郭联系上的实体 只有ROL ROLS 但是他们的资金源头GTV又是无毒的 Luc 没法rico","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4dea4d25cd1aeb192536","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q93f20e741b4866f43e8c","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":736,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-24T15:46:28.260Z","text":"郭是不是有实际掌控权，现在由于庭上证人证词，已经是一堆乱麻了, 解释不清","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q93f20e741b4866f43e8c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"qfb35043c4df383586d81","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":737,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-24T15:47:09.499Z","text":"郭估计是没有经济利益，但是现在检方说联盟农场都是郭的代理人，帮他藏钱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfb35043c4df383586d81","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"qc8a1833648f188313dec","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":738,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-24T15:47:16.487Z","text":"所以说Luc钻空子啊 刑事案Rico 和破产案Rico 是两码事儿","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc8a1833648f188313dec","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q28374f33f358282e8306","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":739,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-24T15:48:03.133Z","text":"郭现在是百口莫辩, 因为对他的不利因素太多。但是这个案子有无数的程序问题，程序不正义是关键。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q28374f33f358282e8306","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q7f59206aae356853213d","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":740,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-24T15:49:01.287Z","text":"这里的讨论 就是给二巡递弹药啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7f59206aae356853213d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q1e0a5cd605b693310582","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":741,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-24T15:49:37.196Z","text":"检方隐藏了太多对郭有利的证据，选择性引用证据，这都是程序问题","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1e0a5cd605b693310582","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"qb97082d6d7e531a788c6","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":742,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-24T15:49:58.909Z","text":"这里都绕的很晕了\n南区法官 还需要中文翻译成英文 他们怕也头大","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb97082d6d7e531a788c6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q768ede792d3bc2de6d58","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":743,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-24T15:50:06.573Z","text":"检方断章取义，郭那么多直播，只截取一段，涉嫌栽赃陷害","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q768ede792d3bc2de6d58","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q16eb62a9d209a00568a3","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":744,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-24T15:51:00.120Z","text":"联盟农场也是编了一堆谎言，企图涉嫌栽赃陷害","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q16eb62a9d209a00568a3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q6a4e03cb690deb8d44a0","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":745,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-24T15:51:27.085Z","text":"所以这个案子不是郭有多清白，而是其他人有多脏","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6a4e03cb690deb8d44a0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q0324f9d90c43cf9cc29f","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":746,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-24T15:51:30.503Z","text":"GTV是命门","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0324f9d90c43cf9cc29f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q9d5123d27a814b6ac9e3","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":747,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-24T15:52:39.330Z","text":"检方死命拉着它不放 强行要没收 \n反而是Luc没有动议 要强行没收ROL\n这就说明了问题","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9d5123d27a814b6ac9e3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"qdfbf877eb186c6cb0846","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":748,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-24T15:58:53.346Z","text":"Luc的Rico权限 局限在个人破产案 延伸至刑事案 关于郭的部分\n刑事案的Rico 是检方主导 不是Luc","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb33ecf2c96173fc288f5","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdfbf877eb186c6cb0846","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q8fece45a29d4994e8d20","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":749,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-24T16:00:19.780Z","text":"Luc和刑事案没什么关系，除了一点，就是债权人是不是初始报案人。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdfbf877eb186c6cb0846","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8fece45a29d4994e8d20","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdfbf877eb186c6cb0846","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"qe44917645ecde49ecac5","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":750,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-24T16:01:07.025Z","text":"天天盯着luc，挺没意思的。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe44917645ecde49ecac5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"qe71621af8f4f49b0fff6","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":751,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-24T16:01:41.543Z","text":"还有一点就是抗议luc是妨碍司法，是郭不能保释的原因之一","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe71621af8f4f49b0fff6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"qb2f622274943fab3c48a","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":752,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-24T16:02:10.038Z","text":"但是郭明确说过，他反对抗议luc，这是检方隐瞒证据","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb2f622274943fab3c48a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q47eee8c7f4dcf6b7b09e","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":753,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-24T16:02:51.070Z","text":"至于luc破产案的七七八八，和刑事案没什么关系","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q47eee8c7f4dcf6b7b09e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"qe249c185edc7f15593a7","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":754,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-24T16:05:20.544Z","text":"也就是说 郭阻止过 但下面人 还是去干？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe71621af8f4f49b0fff6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe249c185edc7f15593a7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe71621af8f4f49b0fff6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q7d4e291ba764100c4724","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":755,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-24T16:05:48.718Z","text":"郭有视频，说他坚决反对联盟农场抗议luc","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe249c185edc7f15593a7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7d4e291ba764100c4724","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe249c185edc7f15593a7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q6d637dafe4e2a7771a05","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":756,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-24T16:06:38.360Z","text":"检方说郭gettr转过联盟农场抗议的视频，但是社交媒体转发等于背书吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6d637dafe4e2a7771a05","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q195e4b171c561d050bab","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":757,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-24T16:06:53.025Z","text":"再说郭的盖特是他自己控制吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q195e4b171c561d050bab","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"qb3a0f515e1683d1511ba","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":758,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-24T16:07:05.594Z","text":"木兰 郭身边的都是坑啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"q195e4b171c561d050bab","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb3a0f515e1683d1511ba","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q195e4b171c561d050bab","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q205c0bad3c1d1f65d696","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":759,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-24T16:07:52.626Z","text":"我不知道郭的盖特是不是他自己控制","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q205c0bad3c1d1f65d696","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q340146d728262194f5d5","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":760,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-24T16:08:11.685Z","text":"但是他被抓之后，他的盖特还有人发帖","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q340146d728262194f5d5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q2544910fb600a70ba4ae","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":761,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-24T16:08:45.509Z","text":"据说他的盖特很多帖子是联盟农场打理的，我不知道是不是真的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2544910fb600a70ba4ae","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q80cf0b9b2bd9719f4ba0","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":762,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-24T16:09:44.971Z","text":"看来他是铁了心要进去","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q80cf0b9b2bd9719f4ba0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"qea2b1bc4c12076b59981","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":763,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-24T16:10:39.518Z","text":"当曼德拉","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea2b1bc4c12076b59981","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q397126f83c6961fd66e2","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":764,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-24T16:14:10.106Z","text":"这个案子，普通人知道的太少","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q397126f83c6961fd66e2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q6da0a994ad0eeea959bc","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":765,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-24T16:14:45.390Z","text":"完全就是看你相不相信郭，相不相信郭不会做违法的事情","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6da0a994ad0eeea959bc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q4ba102abeb8429b0d529","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":766,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-24T16:15:29.092Z","text":"如果你相信郭不会做违法的事情，那那些违法的事情都是谁做的？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4ba102abeb8429b0d529","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q80a03cc580a2e1750411","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":767,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-24T16:21:31.590Z","text":"这案子太黑了，以后真相公布的时候，会抑郁的人估计不只 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你好我好大家好","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7ad1255029b456a55769","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"qf9a02635de5f0ad20b22","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":778,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-24T16:45:03.743Z","text":"怎么算灭 形式上没有了 也算灭","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf9a02635de5f0ad20b22","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"qe0da56153b56d0faf6aa","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":779,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-24T16:46:00.988Z","text":"［用户 ton***］ 可以问问你的机器人 根据郭对cipa的执着 用王艳萍是特务 郭文贵打算这样炸掉案件的概率高吗","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe0da56153b56d0faf6aa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q18dc8f34b863be08e54a","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":780,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-24T17:11:31.668Z","text":"no1","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q18dc8f34b863be08e54a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"qd3150f69516868ec7be4","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":781,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-24T17:29:10.264Z","text":"托雷斯还有一层护盾，那就是[屏蔽词]辩方律师","edited":true,"reply_to":"qc55cd02a9ab1575a8b26","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd3150f69516868ec7be4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc55cd02a9ab1575a8b26","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q6565de7b00c9832439c9","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":782,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-24T17:29:34.110Z","text":"你再有理，架不住律师装傻充愣","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6565de7b00c9832439c9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q1f252ac8c5da3ecfc42f","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":783,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-24T17:35:36.773Z","text":"啥意思？ 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1？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q18dc8f34b863be08e54a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb58af2356e4217632265","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q18dc8f34b863be08e54a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q1f412013ad1eee611cb5","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":786,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-24T18:24:58.190Z","text":"https://gettr.com/post/p3xluv51703","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1f412013ad1eee611cb5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"qda9ccab31d1d30bd8a66","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":787,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-24T18:25:04.575Z","text":"对好口供了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qda9ccab31d1d30bd8a66","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q3aaf22aea0c4d8316bb3","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":788,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-24T18:40:00.864Z","text":"这是要谈二巡了？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3aaf22aea0c4d8316bb3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q5e0928e1a52d3d0e04db","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":789,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-24T18:41:03.690Z","text":"肯定不会谈","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3aaf22aea0c4d8316bb3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5e0928e1a52d3d0e04db","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3aaf22aea0c4d8316bb3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000083"},{"id":"q30b6f3c650c12a3c50f0","batch_id":"batch-000083","seq":790,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-24T18:44:51.722Z","text":"［用户 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