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him***］ 律师的意思是","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q90e2be89cdfeaa3e46cb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q884da0ee8c5366c0ece3","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":23,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-25T03:05:09.307Z","text":"要调取不上传的853","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q884da0ee8c5366c0ece3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q59f5aa64a258cb41773b","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":24,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-25T03:05:14.001Z","text":"不是新的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q59f5aa64a258cb41773b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"qd16f24e83db99e73f55c","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":25,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-25T03:06:04.278Z","text":"不是，我是说，青藤他们是不是因为提前知道了律师要关注853n， 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哈哈哈","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd7d5782996d93fe9906c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f633ae7af32c5bd533e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd7d5782996d93fe9906c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q2a11087a97c2eb8ba329","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":37,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-25T03:13:04.908Z","text":"但是最后这些853n估计都不会通过吧，检方和法庭会让通过吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2a11087a97c2eb8ba329","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"qf3a7b79a66a7a9607ccb","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":38,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-25T03:13:14.433Z","text":"只要在南区就不可能","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2a11087a97c2eb8ba329","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf3a7b79a66a7a9607ccb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2a11087a97c2eb8ba329","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"qa67cfc869d387a7a058c","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":39,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-02-25T03:18:35.223Z","text":"想多了： 806整片都是检方 法庭违规！","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd16f24e83db99e73f55c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa67cfc869d387a7a058c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd16f24e83db99e73f55c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q515832edfba8a1fa01b1","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":40,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-02-25T03:18:38.487Z","text":"One petitioner, who requested anonymity due to fear of retaliation by the Chinese government,\nprovided credible evidence that in early April 2025 he sent to the Clerk of Court a petition naming\n§ 853(n), that his petition was thereafter sent by the Clerk’s Office to the Government at the\nGovernment’s request, and that his petition has yet to be 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法官 大嘴巴子😂","edited":false,"reply_to":"q24361a77974d949b1f11","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q993c449be12e7ab12d22","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q24361a77974d949b1f11","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q0f2505bf62a9653f77de","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":45,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-25T03:21:21.193Z","text":"这个人怎么知道他的petition被法院发给检方了？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q515832edfba8a1fa01b1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0f2505bf62a9653f77de","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q515832edfba8a1fa01b1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q6915223fd510c2aadd51","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":46,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-02-25T03:21:38.877Z","text":"这个4/2025的第三方 可以写进二巡文件了： 检方 法官合谋！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6915223fd510c2aadd51","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"qd5b5308ea72eb8a5c005","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":47,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-25T03:21:55.517Z","text":"律师确认了 法官 检方 打压第三方","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6915223fd510c2aadd51","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd5b5308ea72eb8a5c005","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6915223fd510c2aadd51","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q8d19242152b0516c95ea","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":48,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-25T03:22:00.586Z","text":"这只是辩方律师的一面之词","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8d19242152b0516c95ea","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q6e8d3334b2c9b68991b0","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":49,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-25T03:22:10.401Z","text":"不用管那么多","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8d19242152b0516c95ea","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6e8d3334b2c9b68991b0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8d19242152b0516c95ea","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"qb1ef0355a64e8efdb32e","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":50,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-25T03:22:24.016Z","text":"至少律师跟我们说一样的话了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb1ef0355a64e8efdb32e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q073d52c3b261d9c817ab","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":51,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-25T03:22:26.093Z","text":"除非你是那个第三方，不然你有什么资格引用辩方律师的说辞","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q073d52c3b261d9c817ab","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q0b22232e5e104595e96b","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":52,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-25T03:22:41.227Z","text":"但我感觉律师这里面可能会有一些私货","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0b22232e5e104595e96b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"qf2fa175e821886c8d24d","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":53,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-25T03:22:58.120Z","text":"现在还不知道辩方律师是人是鬼呢","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf2fa175e821886c8d24d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"qd61bdab968ffba9be5db","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":54,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-25T03:23:06.911Z","text":"我觉得瑞恩的强制令更新 可以上了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q073d52c3b261d9c817ab","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd61bdab968ffba9be5db","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q073d52c3b261d9c817ab","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"qca1cb07a28ebbf2ff572","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":55,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-25T03:23:20.486Z","text":"二巡不是说 renew 如果一段时间不上","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qca1cb07a28ebbf2ff572","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"qb0d8a812019277ea6279","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":56,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-25T03:23:38.270Z","text":"不是啥好东西","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf2fa175e821886c8d24d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb0d8a812019277ea6279","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf2fa175e821886c8d24d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"qb0d3ad4e390c1abd5012","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":57,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-25T03:23:47.435Z","text":"要靠我们这帮法律小白壮胆","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb0d3ad4e390c1abd5012","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q289ebc7dd6c4cf4e8d17","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":58,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-25T03:23:50.766Z","text":"你说能是好东西？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q289ebc7dd6c4cf4e8d17","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q632a3dbd057ee8ad9682","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":59,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-25T03:23:53.333Z","text":"不是","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q632a3dbd057ee8ad9682","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q1790ec3714c172873a1e","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":60,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-25T03:24:32.465Z","text":"要搞清楚，青藤突然开始说853n，突然开始说要给辩方律师提交证据，是什么意思","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1790ec3714c172873a1e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q973fc2144f4ff0a55b97","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":61,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-25T03:24:52.851Z","text":"他怎么和辩方律师呼应配合的这么好","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q973fc2144f4ff0a55b97","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"qf75ca37ec272ff5a552a","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":62,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-25T03:25:03.317Z","text":"这个确实有问题","edited":false,"reply_to":"q973fc2144f4ff0a55b97","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf75ca37ec272ff5a552a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q973fc2144f4ff0a55b97","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q9dbbdd1a650d58903282","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":63,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-25T03:26:28.370Z","text":"我能不能这样理解","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9dbbdd1a650d58903282","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q5793160e05be8edacb3f","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":64,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-25T03:26:43.825Z","text":"青藤和律师 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法院给检方","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa97781fc7bb0430c6a30","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"qaf55623727f466079822","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":85,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-02-25T03:35:06.219Z","text":"郭律师说： 给了法庭，法庭给了检方","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7b72e82bceb0fce2fc6f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaf55623727f466079822","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7b72e82bceb0fce2fc6f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q3692e93dea4f00c31b55","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":86,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-25T03:35:08.082Z","text":"法庭没有把853n交给检方，是这些[屏蔽词]自己发错地方了","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3692e93dea4f00c31b55","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"qdcc0d742904420c56304","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":87,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-25T03:35:11.373Z","text":"还是骗他们给法院 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是一群人这样","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd200b79cccf2212fbe51","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2bc4b5890640d5528375","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd200b79cccf2212fbe51","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q6de53a5ebf5431b1a7f7","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":92,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-25T03:36:55.293Z","text":"还是就那个人？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6de53a5ebf5431b1a7f7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"qb95b9e6fcca6e65367a5","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":93,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-25T03:37:32.016Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 是一个人","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb95b9e6fcca6e65367a5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q72ec143dbbd79ce9d9aa","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":94,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-25T03:37:35.050Z","text":"不是一群人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q72ec143dbbd79ce9d9aa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"qd1dc728d6397f8f5f54a","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":95,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-25T03:37:41.964Z","text":"那群[屏蔽词]确实是自己搞错","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd1dc728d6397f8f5f54a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"qd48a929122c457f0b32a","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":96,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-25T03:38:06.507Z","text":"所以不用纠结这个人如何了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd48a929122c457f0b32a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"qcbdbc443e2502dd5f588","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":97,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-25T03:41:49.407Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 我明白了","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcbdbc443e2502dd5f588","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"qc3955bd4e5654e35d4ab","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":98,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-25T03:42:28.998Z","text":"青藤想制造一种： 给律师的853就能上传 自诉的就不会上传的情况","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc3955bd4e5654e35d4ab","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"qe388b361c59d9e5bc770","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":99,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-25T03:42:37.892Z","text":"所以 发动议 找青藤","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe388b361c59d9e5bc770","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q986eee57d361aa3f0a79","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":100,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-25T03:42:40.787Z","text":"找律师","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q986eee57d361aa3f0a79","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"qe72b63362a8a3ca94bf0","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":101,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-25T03:42:50.380Z","text":"你信螺丝哥去自诉的 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的，法庭会转交给检方","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc5b46dfa2218843b452a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q437046de2267d20121eb","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":110,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-25T03:49:41.290Z","text":"这是合情合理","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q437046de2267d20121eb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q16cf87b117a29d724b28","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":111,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-25T03:49:55.892Z","text":"哦对","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc5b46dfa2218843b452a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q16cf87b117a29d724b28","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc5b46dfa2218843b452a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q5b9051e3f28f8f907a62","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":112,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-25T03:49:59.937Z","text":"因为这个","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5b9051e3f28f8f907a62","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"qadb8816c66e6272c26c3","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":113,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-02-25T03:57:43.202Z","text":"既然法院可以把没有写853n的交给检方，那检方也应该将发给检方的853n交给法庭。后来检方不想交了，说全都应该走减免程序，都是受害者，没资格853n。这就是正当程序问题，没有经过853n听证，你怎么知道别人没有853n资格。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qadb8816c66e6272c26c3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q51a6c3075b17b9673b18","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":114,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-25T03:58:35.188Z","text":"关键是，853n就应该提交法庭","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q51a6c3075b17b9673b18","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q3bc60aee60ac9302d161","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":115,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-02-25T03:58:46.160Z","text":"辩方这个操作，发给检方的都可以转给法院docket,那发给法院的就更应该docket 。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3bc60aee60ac9302d161","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q1e993e2b352aa085f266","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":116,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-25T03:58:49.239Z","text":"你发给检方算是怎么回事","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1e993e2b352aa085f266","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q2ebefbc3d3fb8a38f8f2","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":117,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-25T03:59:28.732Z","text":"就和盖尔一样，说着853n转身跑去给司法部申请853i","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2ebefbc3d3fb8a38f8f2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q1b0103e1c0d6b440d184","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":118,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-25T03:59:53.750Z","text":"853n发给检方，检方有义务提交法庭吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1b0103e1c0d6b440d184","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q30b28a3c29ab11691818","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":119,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-25T04:00:44.624Z","text":"自己发错地方了，就认错","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q30b28a3c29ab11691818","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"qac43371058550fa252ae","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":120,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-25T04:00:53.039Z","text":"哪有那么多废话","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qac43371058550fa252ae","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q208520cddba404e7f020","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":121,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-25T04:01:13.141Z","text":"更何况，这些人都是被联盟农场忽悠的吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q208520cddba404e7f020","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"qfbd5c1d0c59672c67280","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":122,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-25T04:01:26.640Z","text":"不然为什么会发给检方","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfbd5c1d0c59672c67280","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q8b0acf15f28d8ab7f64e","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":123,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-02-25T04:01:29.452Z","text":"那个时候第三方还没打痛它们，还要装一下清高，说要交给法庭，后来决定不交了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1b0103e1c0d6b440d184","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8b0acf15f28d8ab7f64e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1b0103e1c0d6b440d184","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q8055217690be59574276","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":124,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-25T04:02:21.333Z","text":"我觉得律师说的那个情况 抓着不放没啥意思","edited":false,"reply_to":"q208520cddba404e7f020","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8055217690be59574276","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q208520cddba404e7f020","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"qa314e71417ee672a2a54","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":125,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-25T04:02:26.920Z","text":"他就说了一个人而已","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa314e71417ee672a2a54","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q6665c9187806b3472572","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":126,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-25T04:02:46.168Z","text":"哦 我知道了…………","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6665c9187806b3472572","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q21ae5221b6835f488647","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":127,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-25T04:02:55.627Z","text":"辩方律师拿着一个人的例子说有什么意思","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q21ae5221b6835f488647","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q3563cfbb3d65e2c835e3","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":128,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-25T04:03:15.871Z","text":"[删节：成员身份] 有没有确切证据 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是想干嘛","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb500a5f5dc0f5c2ec774","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q64c263f892d144e55408","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":139,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-25T04:12:42.436Z","text":"不管是新律师，还是老律师，都和投资者，农场联盟搅在一起，有什么意思，luc的事儿不谈一谈？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64c263f892d144e55408","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q6cf6f1a87a7fa90e171a","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":140,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-02-25T04:19:21.787Z","text":"律师走标准的量刑程序，金钱判决，最终没收令，必须在量刑前或者与量刑同时进行，853听证必须在量刑前开始，现在就是要争取853n听证，哪怕拖雷斯就是要跳过这个听证，也必须留下积极争取的记录。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6cf6f1a87a7fa90e171a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"qb4388b0be988085448d8","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":141,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-25T04:22:28.504Z","text":"如果郭的律师继续朝这个方向走，最后肯定撞墙","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb4388b0be988085448d8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q7d5fad0c3643d2c5cf5a","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":142,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-25T04:23:08.442Z","text":"我对他们现在持保留意见，但是至今为止他们表现一般","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7d5fad0c3643d2c5cf5a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q60d5f9525132e68d321c","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":143,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-02-25T04:35:23.192Z","text":"辩方律师是人是鬼，还是要看量刑听证是否传唤luc。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q60d5f9525132e68d321c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q6b25d9397d6019c9bbb4","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":144,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-25T04:37:04.618Z","text":"哈哈 一般 这个评价 不低","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7d5fad0c3643d2c5cf5a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6b25d9397d6019c9bbb4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7d5fad0c3643d2c5cf5a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q3e331c045a241f13ede8","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":145,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-25T04:37:19.265Z","text":"他们属于 不是太垃圾的律师","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3e331c045a241f13ede8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q709bd22db11500ead611","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":146,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-25T06:12:14.917Z","text":"辩方不是无罪辩护吗\n为什么老盯着 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到时候量刑很难看","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8d426fda15308b98e94e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q0c528d3bd906e1eafe4d","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":149,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-25T06:14:04.133Z","text":"那明白了 不拖到中期选举 没完","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0c528d3bd906e1eafe4d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q383829288e1a6bbda0a5","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":150,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-25T06:14:25.911Z","text":"司法部也是墙头草","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q383829288e1a6bbda0a5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q8b1a906ac62b102a0804","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":151,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-25T06:14:33.723Z","text":"最早也是今年年底结束","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8b1a906ac62b102a0804","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"qa77dbd2ae0d0369637f7","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":152,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-25T06:15:59.464Z","text":"托雷斯也乐见延期 \nsubpoena 对他而言也是救命","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa77dbd2ae0d0369637f7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"qdfb0faada8ef9f0c84bf","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":153,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-25T06:16:25.557Z","text":"给机会甩锅","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdfb0faada8ef9f0c84bf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"qc5682e7079df2140ceb5","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":154,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-25T06:16:29.090Z","text":"这几个853","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc5682e7079df2140ceb5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q42ad64b2269910bda6d1","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":155,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-25T06:16:43.266Z","text":"只可能批卖车的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q42ad64b2269910bda6d1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q72ea78c17f0ac76e30d1","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":156,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-25T06:19:11.944Z","text":"现有的几百 853n 合格的就卖车的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q72ea78c17f0ac76e30d1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q2fbed62df9920b683b2e","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":157,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-25T06:20:11.526Z","text":"其他很多人 用的是青给的假申请表 如果内容审查 只能算853i","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2fbed62df9920b683b2e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q2388046582df49cb8d80","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":158,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-25T06:21:13.714Z","text":"是的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2388046582df49cb8d80","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"qed22cc36beb168415732","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":159,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-25T06:21:25.761Z","text":"他以为要劫牢反狱吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4933c49a06978d86bdb6","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qed22cc36beb168415732","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q5ac3efeeb7042a6ebbea","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":160,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-02-25T06:24:54.042Z","text":"郭文贵已经被定罪，罪名包括那些诈骗计划，参与这些诈骗计划的所谓853n,都是扯淡。驳回，或者直接被认定是受害者！\n卖车的才是真正无辜的路人，与诈骗计划没有任何关系。\n即使引用853n,去法庭上帮郭文贵找一下程序问题，也算是没有白天天喊爱七哥不是郭文贵的受害者。单纯去要钱，只能被正常人认为就是受害者去法庭上要钱！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5ac3efeeb7042a6ebbea","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"qad05093d83e752a141cb","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":161,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-25T06:26:50.824Z","text":"万一联盟那些脑残信众 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