{"id":"batch-000084","number":84,"revision":1,"date_start":"2026-02-25T02:53:52.938Z","date_end":"2026-02-27T20:41:59.380Z","total_messages":1000,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 084 (Feb 25, 2026 – Feb 27, 2026), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Batch 84 (Feb 25, 2026 to Feb 27, 2026) shows no consensus on Guo sentencing-stage strategy. Participants disputed whether another Rule 17(c)-linked continuance should be granted, how §853(n) claims should move from filing to court action and hearing, and whether forfeiture can include GTV-related assets. They also argued over disclosure credibility and timing tactics while citing Dkt. 807, Dkts. 808/809 in Case 1:23-cr-00118-AT, and related references to Dkt. 700, 750, 799, and 805/511. Community statements, not court findings.","guide_en":[{"title":"Whether sentencing should be delayed again: a third continuance request and timeline expectations split views between preserving defense rights and avoiding indefinite delay","description":"Participants disputed whether the Dkt. 807-linked third sentencing continuance should proceed, with some claiming defense preparation needs justified a brief extension and others warning against open-ended delays tied to broader political timing. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q70faaaa808b1f1972e1e","q0c528d3bd906e1eafe4d","q55b0b282622bc9a9ad38"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q70faaaa808b1f1972e1e","summary_en":"him*** claimed Dkt. 807 requested a 30-day extension to Apr 13, 2026, relying on unresolved Rule 17(c) evidence, investor communications, and claims that without extra review sentencing would be ineffective. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q0c528d3bd906e1eafe4d","summary_en":"joh*** argued that delay should not be stretched toward the midterm election window. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q55b0b282622bc9a9ad38","summary_en":"kir*** claimed they had already waited four months, signaling frustration with the length of delay requests. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Subpoena boundary dispute: whether only documents may be compelled or witnesses can also be forced","description":"Participants disputed subpoena boundaries, with one side claiming that compulsion is needed because a witness failed to appear and another suggesting the request should stay focused on documents and evidence production. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q959a2f6d7062179e8e52","qa75fa6463cdf269c8e1f","q72a88556b3829c8909fd"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q959a2f6d7062179e8e52","summary_en":"beg*** claimed the needed witness did not appear, so a forced subpoena became unavoidable. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qa75fa6463cdf269c8e1f","summary_en":"beg*** claimed membership identity should also be within the subpoena reach. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q72a88556b3829c8909fd","summary_en":"him*** claimed the team was seeking files and evidence, not broader witness detention. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"853(n) route dispute: after receipt, whether submission must go through prosecution or court with a hearing","description":"Participants disputed the procedural path for §853(n), arguing whether an already-received petition must be retransmitted by the prosecution to the court and whether a hearing must be triggered as a prerequisite. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q515832edfba8a1fa01b1","q1b0103e1c0d6b440d184","q8b0acf15f28d8ab7f64e"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q515832edfba8a1fa01b1","summary_en":"beg*** claimed an anonymous petitioner filed a §853(n) petition with the clerk, had it sent to the government, and said the petition still had not been docketed. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q1b0103e1c0d6b440d184","summary_en":"him*** claimed the government has a duty to submit the §853(n) petition to the court after receiving it. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q8b0acf15f28d8ab7f64e","summary_en":"reb*** claimed the opposing side initially invoked court submission as a posture, then later declined to proceed, treating it as a tactical shift. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Third-party qualification and availability: whether identity is decided first or after a later hearing","description":"Participants disputed third-party eligibility, with some claiming prehearing proof must come first while others argued hearing participation itself is the mechanism to determine whether a third party can be recognized. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q1a16ed18f438d129b7bb","q7ed9e8d45d3fd87d6f3f","qf37351b8c2a239387f84"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q1a16ed18f438d129b7bb","summary_en":"reb*** claimed alleged contamination of 853n made stronger evidence necessary and argued a skipped hearing cannot be justified by investor passivity. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q7ed9e8d45d3fd87d6f3f","summary_en":"him*** claimed the suspected contamination risk targets future procedural 853n arguments rather than straightforward money requests. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf37351b8c2a239387f84","summary_en":"reb*** claimed 853n is about whether G entities are truly tied to the defendant, noting ownership findings were contested and that a hearing is required to test that link. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Victim-boundary dispute: whether co-incident participants can be treated as victims","description":"Participants disputed who qualifies as a victim in this frame, with one claim rejecting broader third-party claims and another pressing a narrower victim-only logic in 853n discussions. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q3e85609644887de98455","q584fe40e582c2cb87c60","qbbac1935036bdd551083"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q3e85609644887de98455","summary_en":"kir*** claimed there was no viable 853 route in that context. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q584fe40e582c2cb87c60","summary_en":"kir*** claimed that only victims should be treated as such. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qbbac1935036bdd551083","summary_en":"him*** claimed that distinction was the central logic behind the victim-position argument. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Forfeiture scope and ownership: whether seizure can extend to GTV and related company accounts","description":"Participants disputed whether forfeiture could include GTV and related entities, with claims of weak legal basis for expansion, jury-based limits, and competing views on what property classes should even be considered. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q0c9881f3393ed8435a46","q42ad64b2269910bda6d1","q261e31681f60900f6178"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q0c9881f3393ed8435a46","summary_en":"reb*** claimed government seizure of GTV lacks statutory and precedent support, arguing GTV should be limited to proven fraudulent projects to qualify. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q42ad64b2269910bda6d1","summary_en":"kir*** claimed the scope was limited to one practical type of asset category, which he described as vehicle-related resale activity. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q261e31681f60900f6178","summary_en":"joh*** claimed the prosecution’s insistence on seizing GTV was unfounded, citing a jury finding and SEC settlement context where GTV was found not liable. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Evidence-disclosure credibility dispute: document redaction, livestreams, and flow evidence are repeatedly challenged","description":"Participants disputed the reliability of disclosed materials, with claims that some submissions were self-produced, identity-driven, or incomplete, and that money figures alone could not settle the legal framing. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q80dff9782c69d1fa584f","q508fc4c0bf27e49341be","q19d5daa6453fb5bc382b"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q80dff9782c69d1fa584f","summary_en":"joh*** claimed naming additional figures at this stage looked selective and unreliable, hinting at an echo-chamber narrative. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q508fc4c0bf27e49341be","summary_en":"him*** claimed a support letter for a prominent figure was written by Guo himself, challenging its evidentiary weight. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q19d5daa6453fb5bc382b","summary_en":"him*** claimed that focusing only on money was insufficient and that, absent reversal, all impacted parties would still be treated as victims. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Organization and command-line: whether Alliance, QingTeng, and legal resources function as one coordinated operation remains unresolved","description":"Participants disputed whether witness sourcing and names suggested integrated operational control, with one side reading ties to Alliance recommendations and foreign-leaning identifiers while others read it as uncertain. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q7295f68bc35b0c12724b","qec6e7c80204caaabf8d7","q56b077d346d71356a265"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q7295f68bc35b0c12724b","summary_en":"kir*** claimed Guo appeared to be trying to appear outside Alliance control. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qec6e7c80204caaabf8d7","summary_en":"him*** claimed prior trial witnesses used by senior counsel had likely been recommended through Alliance channels. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q56b077d346d71356a265","summary_en":"him*** claimed some names looked Russian, implying possible foreign-network linkage in the witness profile. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Procedural fairness dispute: whether prosecution only accepts favorable proof and defense must keep pressing disclosure challenges","description":"Participants disputed whether the prosecution was selectively presenting evidence, while also arguing that defense counsel must continuously seek Brady disclosures and challenge any imbalance. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qb63d183f8002d2aa8ada","q61c19e8b5f452d5313c1","q5b21a658e11e0cc46f8c"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qb63d183f8002d2aa8ada","summary_en":"him*** claimed the prosecution only accepted evidence that favored its case. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q61c19e8b5f452d5313c1","summary_en":"him*** claimed it was the defense’s responsibility to force Brady disclosure through persistent motions and pressure. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q5b21a658e11e0cc46f8c","summary_en":"him*** claimed he could not see meaningful new defense tactics emerging at that point. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"CIPA and contamination: speculation over a hidden reversal key versus limited practical effect after judicial orders","description":"Participants disputed CIPA’s strategic meaning, with some arguing for a buried reversal angle and others implying that only sentencing-relevant relief would remain viable. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q8ef532bcfb7b686fa016","q6d9e797d9411fcf7de3f","q9fb01d01f7a665d5ec15"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q8ef532bcfb7b686fa016","summary_en":"kir*** claimed there may be a reversal key embedded in the CIPA context. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q6d9e797d9411fcf7de3f","summary_en":"kir*** claimed uncertainty remained about what impact an order from Tony might have after being issued. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q9fb01d01f7a665d5ec15","summary_en":"kir*** claimed Judge Torres would accept only sentencing-related motions and not broader collateral arguments. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Second-level appellate process expansion: Documents 808/809 and 361/364 links drive filing-format and scheduling expectations","description":"Participants disputed how second-stage filings should proceed, with claims that 808/809 triggered stricter procedural follow-through and that 361/364 materials should govern the format and schedule. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q8e2f2a3ff0d2bfd9b5ba","q9a90f3262d8222afdab5","q1542b083f439e43c3fc8"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q8e2f2a3ff0d2bfd9b5ba","summary_en":"ton*** claimed Doc 809 (Case 1:23-cr-00118-AT, SDNY, filed Feb 27, 2026) was a 4-page government brief opposing the sixth sentencing continuance and pairing with Doc 808. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q9a90f3262d8222afdab5","summary_en":"beg*** claimed Documents 808 and 809 had just been issued, setting a new procedural marker for the batch. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q1542b083f439e43c3fc8","summary_en":"beg*** claimed second-review filings should follow strict court format and pointed to 361/364 as reference points for addressing them. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Sentencing amount and forfeiture ratio: refund stratification, top-end risk, and whether independent applications can be disputed","description":"Participants disputed whether sentencing should be scaled by refund patterns and loss framing, while one side warned that amounts around 1.3 billion can drive higher ranges and others insisted independent petitions are acceptable unless manipulated. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qfb6baf4f00d117693232","q71b0f7146ba4e75881ca","qf3f4f447ceda1a183835"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qfb6baf4f00d117693232","summary_en":"mia*** claimed jurors saw refunds as a key divider, treating refunded projects differently from unrecovered or unfulfilled promises. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q71b0f7146ba4e75881ca","summary_en":"wei*** claimed a 1.3 billion amount could push punishment toward the maximum and that some actors use this fear to pressure against filing 853n. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf3f4f447ceda1a183835","summary_en":"him*** claimed independent filings are legitimate, but he contended manipulated petitioning becomes problematic. Community statements, not court 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份remission  1 份petiton寄给法院和检方各一份,不知道别人怎么弄的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q894fe329e492144d6bb2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaf8ce37ac75bee1571d2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q894fe329e492144d6bb2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q9a742598eb5d49fd2eae","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":426,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-25T16:17:21.764Z","text":"853n动议，提出程序问题的，可能会对被告有利；853n动议，指控被告的，可能会对被告不利","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9a742598eb5d49fd2eae","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q11b90509a0779cd5bd96","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":427,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-25T16:19:24.143Z","text":"853n和remission同时做的，检方最后估计把你当成受害者","edited":false,"reply_to":"qaf8ce37ac75bee1571d2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q11b90509a0779cd5bd96","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaf8ce37ac75bee1571d2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"qa9fa3423eaea9c65e4f9","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":428,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-25T16:19:46.398Z","text":"肯定是受害者 853可以deny","edited":false,"reply_to":"q11b90509a0779cd5bd96","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa9fa3423eaea9c65e4f9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q11b90509a0779cd5bd96","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"qce594a6dabdc382aed99","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":429,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-25T16:19:49.920Z","text":"如果只是要钱，估计最后就会成为受害者","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qce594a6dabdc382aed99","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q8c3cb4c5ee9616230e6e","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":430,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-25T16:20:34.216Z","text":"现在郭的律师不提程序问题，只谈钱，是没用的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8c3cb4c5ee9616230e6e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q4442f983e80344d00755","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":431,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-25T16:21:24.931Z","text":"如果最后检方把所有人都当成受害者，所有钱都是犯罪资金，辩方一点办法都没有","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4442f983e80344d00755","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q91985236ee1423e7374c","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":432,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-25T16:23:59.693Z","text":"钱多钱少不是根本问题，哪怕最后只剩一块钱，老郭也是罪犯","edited":false,"reply_to":"q38abce9ff61be5b05da3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q91985236ee1423e7374c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q38abce9ff61be5b05da3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q1d1b4f60c05c7df2eec2","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":433,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-02-25T16:24:40.702Z","text":"我怀疑你在说谎，反馈的电子邮件在两分钟之内就会自动回复的。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe29d0f40e7bb9800584f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1d1b4f60c05c7df2eec2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe29d0f40e7bb9800584f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q19d5daa6453fb5bc382b","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":434,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-25T16:24:50.127Z","text":"所以只谈钱的话，是没用的。只要案件不推翻，所有人都是受害者。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q91985236ee1423e7374c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q19d5daa6453fb5bc382b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q91985236ee1423e7374c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q2756f706cde4fde2c0d0","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":435,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-02-25T16:30:10.140Z","text":"这两个361，364指的是26-361、26-364，是二巡的立案文档编号。你是在装傻充楞吧？按你自己的说法，你也是写了自诉的人了，而且进群这么久，去年8月你们就入群了，难道这也看不明白？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q04121c005bcd756dce14","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2756f706cde4fde2c0d0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q04121c005bcd756dce14","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"qd4d5539fd5205820850e","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":436,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-02-25T16:40:15.891Z","text":"不是吧？我觉得你这话有点脑子进水了，尽管你写岀了很棒的26-364。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5903b922dbec422cdc9e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd4d5539fd5205820850e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5903b922dbec422cdc9e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q1c5be15af6cde4e9cb6d","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":437,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-25T16:43:00.447Z","text":"南区现在不上传二巡文件了？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q541165879e9ac8406744","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1c5be15af6cde4e9cb6d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"qcfb9337f643c1157331a","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":438,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-25T16:43:15.841Z","text":"那之前上传的二巡文件，是不是要撤下来？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcfb9337f643c1157331a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batche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牢底坐穿还是自由飞翔","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e543b6e97d73d1d8984","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q79a68fa378588e2e2ad1","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":440,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-02-25T17:32:24.390Z","text":"当时联盟 1，说和几个律师咨询过，以受害人提交不影响郭先生  2， 当时是糊涂的，两个表格都有petition, 也不知道有什么区别，３，VICTIM和OWNER 任选［但前面说了受害人不影响，应该很多人选了victim] ,这是当时示范表之一，这个表看着是对的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q11b90509a0779cd5bd96","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q79a68fa378588e2e2ad1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q11b90509a0779cd5bd96","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"qfa3233f28568ade59121","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":441,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-25T17:32:51.766Z","text":"虚假陈述","edited":false,"reply_to":"q79a68fa378588e2e2ad1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfa3233f28568ade59121","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q79a68fa378588e2e2ad1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q461595d109d3d4acd46b","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":442,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-25T17:32:57.139Z","text":"联盟干扰司法","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q461595d109d3d4acd46b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q0712e467f0cc9323d893","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":443,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-02-25T17:41:31.622Z","text":"记错了，说的是直接汇款提交claim，没有直接汇款提交petition ,问题这都是直播时说的，不是gettr 直播，是另一个软件，这些直播我是不知道怎么再找到","edited":false,"reply_to":"qaf8ce37ac75bee1571d2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0712e467f0cc9323d893","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaf8ce37ac75bee1571d2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q646baf26644e65b2cfa0","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":444,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-25T17:45:08.097Z","text":"你填了什么表","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd0496dde2ec2291bf08e","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q646baf26644e65b2cfa0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"qcc0f4926b638912351bf","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":445,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-02-25T17:46:06.124Z","text":"这是另一个说明","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcc0f4926b638912351bf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q96007066e692651ac76d","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":446,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-02-25T17:47:04.386Z","text":"Forfeiture 程序常见问题解答\n（此版本最后更新时间为 2025 年 3 月 25 日）\nQ1． 我该提交 claim (Ancillary Petition，第一阶段)吗？\nA1．如果你直接汇款到如下 21 个 银行账户 （看附件）请做 Claim。其他不\n做。\n请注意：1. 参与 A10 投资的战友不需要提交申请；2. 如果您的投资发生在\n315 之后，则也不用提交申请。\nQ2. 我如何填写 claim？\nA 2：在申请的首页要注明 Re：Case 1:23-cr-00118-AT。申诉人必须签名，\n并在法定宣誓下说明其在被没收财产中的权益，说明权益的获得时间和背\n景，以及提供所有支持其申请的事实。申请人可以参照以下格式，列出投资清单：\nOn October 17, 2020, Petitioner invested $XX,000.00 with G|CLUBS\nproviding the funds via wire transfer to Defendants via Order Number\nGC201017XXXXXX to G|CLUBS for payment for the Initial Membership\nPayment.\n若投资项目较多，可列表。\nQ3． 如何提交 Claim？\nA3. Claim 只能纸质提交。必须提交给法院书记员（Clerk of the Court） 邮\n寄地址：\nSouthern District Court of the United States, 500 Pearl Street, Room 120,\nNew York, NY 10007. USA\n并将副本送达Assistant United States Attorney Ryan Finkel, Jacob K. Javits Federal\nBuilding, 26 Federal Plaza, New York, NY 10278\nQ4. 提交 Claim 的截止日期是什么时候？\nA4. 截至日期 25 年 4 月 7 日。\n请注意：1. 截止日期 4 月 7 日以寄出时所盖的邮戳为准；2. 建议战友可以等\n到 4 月再提交。\nQ5. 身在墙内，如何提交 claim?\nA5. 除了喜交所的 Claim 通过 HID 的方式提交，出于安全原因，其他墙内个\n人不建议去做 claim。\nQ6. 我目前属于在美，加，日的投资人。有喜交所账户，是否该 claim?\nA6. 律师答复：只要直接往喜交所汇过款的，不管你现在在哪个国家都可以\nclaim。\nQ6. 喜交所的 claim 怎么申请？A6． 请到这个网站上去登记并签署 Affidavit：\nhttps://himalayarestoration.com\nQ7. 怎样签署 Affidavit？\nA7. 点击 Urgent: Forfeiture Stage & Claim Filing Process | Himalaya\nRestoration， 填写如下表格。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q96007066e692651ac76d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q46c8265717aef55a6bc1","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":447,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-02-25T17:50:59.786Z","text":"有原截图吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcc0f4926b638912351bf","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q46c8265717aef55a6bc1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcc0f4926b638912351bf","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q1e289962faf8f9e321ac","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":448,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-02-25T17:52:27.685Z","text":"这是remission 的示范：             填写 petition for remission 表格说明：\n1. petition for remission 没有特定的格式和要求。 这个表格在政府有\n网站上下载，把不适用的部分做了删减与修改；\n2. 所有黑色英文字体是原表格文字；所有绿色字体部分，为某战友自\n己的描述，供参考。所有黄色打亮部分战友需要根据自己情况在相\n应位置填写具体金额或接收实体名称；红色字体为翻译\n3. 一定要签名，存成 PDF 文件再发出。\n4. 为了便于战友理解， 把原表格中英文翻译成了中文，提交之前，请\n把中文部分删除。\n5. 本文件不是法律建议，仅供参考","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1e289962faf8f9e321ac","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"qd56b3da2a097184f4639","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":449,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-02-25T17:54:35.888Z","text":"一页截不下","edited":false,"reply_to":"q46c8265717aef55a6bc1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd56b3da2a097184f4639","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q46c8265717aef55a6bc1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q27417627762bfe499232","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":450,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-02-25T17:57:18.961Z","text":"这也是remission 的示范表：","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q27417627762bfe499232","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q01aded6afcec13d29667","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":451,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-02-25T18:01:47.305Z","text":"这段话当时我以为就是说明了是政府的受害者，现在看来检方还能不同解读：I am requesting remission of this forfeiture because I am a victim of the criminal offense underlying the forfeiture of\nthis property or am the victim of a related offense and I have suffered a pecuniary loss as a result of that offense\nas described below:\nI am a victim of the government forfeiture which is where my investments reside. Hence， I am\nrequesting remission/mitigation of this forfeiture。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q01aded6afcec13d29667","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q3c3be916f1925ccf866c","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":452,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-25T18:04:26.586Z","text":"这段话翻译过来意思就是，你是郭的受害者。\n\n我请求对本次没收予以减免（remission），因为我是构成本次财产没收所依据之刑事犯罪的受害者，或属于相关犯罪的受害者，并且我因该犯罪行为遭受了如下所述的金钱损失：\n我是此次政府没收行为的受害者，因为我的投资正位于被没收的财产之中。因此，我请求对本次没收予以减免/减轻（remission/mitigation）。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3c3be916f1925ccf866c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q9252574b796fd2350e6b","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":453,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-02-25T18:13:48.462Z","text":"以前根本不知道remission 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还故意是错的\nhttps://x.com/testurheart/status/2015707785468555506?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":"q70c1381c68316184e2b1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfb7a00d5df1b5a0ad901","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q70c1381c68316184e2b1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q90bb8969c002337ed98f","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":463,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-25T19:41:44.480Z","text":"他是安小东 盖尔是她爹","edited":false,"reply_to":"q10935d63c2df4f7804f6","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q90bb8969c002337ed98f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q07f22c3d7c02b64a87b1","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":464,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-02-25T19:53:20.559Z","text":"这个坑挖得真不小呀。\n联盟骗绝大多数郭的支持者不懂英文，那个时候AI也不太普及，让大家说自己的投资到了被告defendant 的帐号。\n[删节：隐私信息]","edited":true,"reply_to":"q96007066e692651ac76d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q07f22c3d7c02b64a87b1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q96007066e692651ac76d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"qc19882b78811f16564eb","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":465,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-25T20:01:45.264Z","text":"这些申请表格 让盖尔拿到 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？","edited":true,"reply_to":"q07f22c3d7c02b64a87b1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc19882b78811f16564eb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q07f22c3d7c02b64a87b1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q1215027b4a9307c18050","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":466,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-02-25T20:04:27.440Z","text":"我也填了那个表格；在表格里明确的写是拜登政府受害人","edited":false,"reply_to":"q79a68fa378588e2e2ad1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1215027b4a9307c18050","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q79a68fa378588e2e2ad1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q691f5b9b050ad3122357","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":467,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-25T20:07:47.522Z","text":"哪个部分？政府受害人？\n示范表格 对象是 郭 余 王 三个defendant","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1215027b4a9307c18050","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q691f5b9b050ad3122357","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1215027b4a9307c18050","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"qa7159a48e42e08ba5773","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":468,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-02-25T20:32:41.942Z","text":"应该是在政府网站上找到的，word， 我还在群里发了，告诉大家把受害人那改成政府受害人。并且我提供的都改了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa7159a48e42e08ba5773","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"qc31a987177f561d38e90","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":469,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-02-25T21:16:00.756Z","text":"［用户 wei***］ 你敢不敢谈一个最简单的问题！盖尔的合同是怎么来的啊？盖尔怎么找到的那六千多人啊？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc31a987177f561d38e90","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"qae1ba73222520abce249","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":470,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-25T23:42:41.590Z","text":"［用户 chu***］  根据青藤最新的直播说法","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qae1ba73222520abce249","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q117aadeb92a59d745651","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":471,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-25T23:43:17.309Z","text":"［用户 chu***］ 你之前的一个理论是不对的。 在下面喊 帮不了他们的七哥 但是在下面喊 还真能害七哥","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q117aadeb92a59d745651","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q43452bbbc8f5c3573b2c","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":472,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-25T23:43:55.927Z","text":"监狱有权对你进行处罚 关小黑屋","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q43452bbbc8f5c3573b2c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q606e502eecaaea2b4a2e","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":473,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-25T23:44:01.803Z","text":"扣电话时间","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q606e502eecaaea2b4a2e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q89b31376616fcc88d680","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":474,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-25T23:44:05.723Z","text":"扣零食","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q89b31376616fcc88d680","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"qdfd929283f0c0a516104","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":475,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-25T23:44:07.024Z","text":"扣钱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdfd929283f0c0a516104","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q416d88e2b1cfd6cf3299","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":476,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-25T23:44:26.892Z","text":"之前不是说他被关小黑屋四十天","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q416d88e2b1cfd6cf3299","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q8934db102a5514d6eb9b","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":477,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-25T23:44:29.406Z","text":"妈了个逼的 老郭的电话时间早被扣完了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8934db102a5514d6eb9b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q690442b8045a17a7a073","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":478,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-25T23:44:56.547Z","text":"https://gettr.com/post/p3xm14af758","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q690442b8045a17a7a073","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"qf430a017782f3e77808e","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":479,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-25T23:45:00.032Z","text":"16分钟","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf430a017782f3e77808e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"qe9c11e791af7644e6a05","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":480,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-02-25T23:49:41.521Z","text":"害郭是联盟的任务，\n爱郭是它们的掩护。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe9c11e791af7644e6a05","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q49cbb414b0b943f61427","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":481,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-02-26T00:57:43.869Z","text":"四、最高法院趋势：第三方权利必须有程序保障\n最高法院在 forfeiture 案件中反复强调：\nforfeiture 不能绕过程序\n不能通过“标签化”剥夺第三方听证权\n例如：\nUnited States v. James Daniel Good Real Property\n强调：\n先程序，再剥夺财产。\nHoneycutt v. United States\n强调：\nforfeiture 是 personal and limited。\nLuis v. United States\n强调：\ntainted 与 untainted 必须区分。\n这些案子的方向是一致的：\n限缩 forfeiture，而不是扩张 forfeiture。\n五、关键区别：企业资金“全部为犯罪收益”需要证明\n政府若主张：\n全部资金 = 诈骗 proceeds\n它必须证明：\n企业不存在任何合法业务\n所有资金来源均为 fraud victims\n没有合法投资或非诈骗资金混入\n如果存在：\n混合资金\n不同投资批次\n不同交易性质\n则必须进行 tracing 或比例认定。\n六、最核心回答你一句话\n被告被定罪，不等于企业全部资金自动成为 forfeitable proceeds。\n投资者是否具备 §853(n) 资格，必须在 ancillary hearing 中判断，而不能通过“RICO 定罪”直接概括性剥夺。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q49cbb414b0b943f61427","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"qe2fbc98a4fc14ce00ffb","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":482,"speaker":"gun***","date":"2026-02-26T00:59:54.194Z","text":"啥时候把来电真相爆了那帮人就玩不了了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe2fbc98a4fc14ce00ffb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q4be192bec0e6d1571100","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":483,"speaker":"gun***","date":"2026-02-26T01:01:01.133Z","text":"最高法虽然反川，但是表面都在维护程序正义","edited":false,"reply_to":"q49cbb414b0b943f61427","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4be192bec0e6d1571100","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q49cbb414b0b943f61427","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q4be7c74bd8f404169320","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":484,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-26T01:22:03.842Z","text":"现在检方明显觉得诈骗叙事有点薄弱，因为很多人不承认被骗","edited":false,"reply_to":"q49cbb414b0b943f61427","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4be7c74bd8f404169320","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q49cbb414b0b943f61427","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q0415edc76315573d252d","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":485,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-26T01:22:17.720Z","text":"所以现在加入了洗钱，敲诈勒索","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0415edc76315573d252d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q2c8da6443c45515277c0","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":486,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-26T01:22:54.858Z","text":"洗钱这个东西，就等于即使你不觉得被骗，你的钱也被洗钱了，所以你就成了受害者","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2c8da6443c45515277c0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"qfa959dea3f358cb195a1","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":487,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-26T01:24:12.243Z","text":"反正检方的叙事就是g系列就是犯罪企业，无论是诈骗还是洗钱，还是敲诈勒索，所以你们都是受害者","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfa959dea3f358cb195a1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q1a16ed18f438d129b7bb","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":488,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-02-26T01:24:52.653Z","text":"那些灭共演员贱畜们想污染853n是一回事，能不能污染成是另一回事。正因为它们想污染，所以证据才要准备得更充分一些，论证才要更缜密一些。它们要污染，法官要跳过，不是投资人放弃或者懈怠行使甚至忽视自己行使853n权利的理由。第三方不是先必须先证明有资格才能要求听证，而是听证了才能确认第三方是否具有资格。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1a16ed18f438d129b7bb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q7ed9e8d45d3fd87d6f3f","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":489,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-26T01:28:10.505Z","text":"他们要污染的那些，应该不是去要钱的853n的。纯要钱的853n，他们不害怕。他们要污染的是，以后要提出程序问题的853n。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7ed9e8d45d3fd87d6f3f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q7ea7d517ebca9ff04e8e","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":490,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-26T01:28:23.142Z","text":"是的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7ed9e8d45d3fd87d6f3f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7ea7d517ebca9ff04e8e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7ed9e8d45d3fd87d6f3f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q6b24592da45a0211a914","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":491,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-26T01:29:04.887Z","text":"就像739那个人，把提出程序问题的853n都打成郭的proxy。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6b24592da45a0211a914","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"qb251bbfaec94a7e79290","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":492,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-26T01:31:41.649Z","text":"哈哈 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他才是郭的proxy","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6b24592da45a0211a914","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb251bbfaec94a7e79290","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6b24592da45a0211a914","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q29a83473b88714b4a1b2","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":493,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-26T01:32:09.785Z","text":"从美国检方的角度看，g系列开那么多账户，就是在洗钱。你不洗钱，开那么多账户干什么。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q29a83473b88714b4a1b2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q55ff00d01a26106f04b8","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":494,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-26T01:32:56.013Z","text":"这也是庭审里，检方证人说的，g系列专门雇人开账户","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q55ff00d01a26106f04b8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q166fa674d7a9b01f2313","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":495,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-26T01:33:23.910Z","text":"托尼的强制令可以打这个","edited":false,"reply_to":"q55ff00d01a26106f04b8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q166fa674d7a9b01f2313","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q55ff00d01a26106f04b8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"qb46ad202ddd55d5abbf9","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":496,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-26T01:33:30.201Z","text":"要躲避中国政府的起诉 我操","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb46ad202ddd55d5abbf9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q0d0a731aa2d3c8572602","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":497,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-26T01:34:08.439Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 南区七天阳痿不射 螺丝哥那些视频不知道给托雷斯看看能不能治好？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0d0a731aa2d3c8572602","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"qf37351b8c2a239387f84","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":498,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-02-26T01:36:42.835Z","text":"luc说g系列属于被告的逻辑，也是说那些g系列实体是被告的替代自我等东西，就是不讲人话说属于郭。853n说的就是这个问题，不属于被告，且点出了破产案存在的程序问题，比如虚假债权，没有所有权听证后的裁定等，所以南区就得开听证来确认这个事。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf37351b8c2a239387f84","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q0570827bf7f125fe479a","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":499,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-26T01:39:26.064Z","text":"其实，这些钱确实不属于郭，这些钱应该属于那些公司，比如gclubs，比如洗脚所。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf37351b8c2a239387f84","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0570827bf7f125fe479a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf37351b8c2a239387f84","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q12dec07e398387775a88","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":500,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-26T01:40:10.478Z","text":"但是现在客户拿853n自己去要钱，这种情况不知道该怎么算。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q12dec07e398387775a88","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q61f2f85123acfc0b4b3a","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":501,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-26T01:40:43.274Z","text":"应该是那些公司拿着853n去要钱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q61f2f85123acfc0b4b3a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q261e31681f60900f6178","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":502,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-26T01:41:25.712Z","text":"检方坚持没收GTV 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\n与sec和解的时候GTV也是无罪的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q261e31681f60900f6178","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"qfc74f3afa33e2dc4357b","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":503,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-02-26T01:41:44.207Z","text":"但luc说这些公司都是被告的替代自我，影子实体，傀儡结构，还有很多不是人话的名词，然后就扣押。这些说法的成立，拱卒们的债权是一个必要条件。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0570827bf7f125fe479a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfc74f3afa33e2dc4357b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0570827bf7f125fe479a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q954d9d8362c0abaf2424","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":504,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-26T01:42:59.776Z","text":"刑事案到底用了破产案多少东西，谁也不知道。现在检方不提破产案了，只提陪审团判决。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfc74f3afa33e2dc4357b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q954d9d8362c0abaf2424","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfc74f3afa33e2dc4357b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"qc24e59a4bfb9030fca1b","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":505,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-02-26T01:45:02.711Z","text":"整个卷宗里有一些破产案的文件，呈现给陪审团的有哪些破产文件，不知道。但南区检方跟luc用的应该是同一套所谓的调查资料。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q954d9d8362c0abaf2424","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc24e59a4bfb9030fca1b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q954d9d8362c0abaf2424","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"qe0a8470544c9f6be475b","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":506,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-26T01:45:46.665Z","text":"这案子唯一的解决方法 就是五份二巡强制令 到最高法围剿南区","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe0a8470544c9f6be475b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q7094104493816b2276ba","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":507,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-26T01:46:08.560Z","text":"除此之外 没有其他可行办法","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7094104493816b2276ba","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q1d7bed503a3ca63577a8","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":508,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-26T01:46:36.019Z","text":"因为目前GTV的没收 没戏\n而GTV是ROL的来源\n这4亿不能没收 检方很烦","edited":false,"reply_to":"q954d9d8362c0abaf2424","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1d7bed503a3ca63577a8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q954d9d8362c0abaf2424","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"qd0347a28e985f196fd85","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":509,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-26T01:46:38.239Z","text":"让辩方不得不跟","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd0347a28e985f196fd85","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q9eb7446c2b8f12ad4ea0","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":510,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-26T01:48:02.197Z","text":"到时候真正量刑之前 瑞恩一定会动手让二巡介入","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9eb7446c2b8f12ad4ea0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q17ea57bd088d1f8acbc8","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":511,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-26T01:49:11.036Z","text":"瑞恩有两张王牌","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q17ea57bd088d1f8acbc8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q7206cc70eb33ef322fdc","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":512,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-26T01:49:28.696Z","text":"不上传动议和司法欺诈","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7206cc70eb33ef322fdc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q08c45dee0d4966a3e984","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":513,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-26T01:52:01.770Z","text":"量刑前打前一张","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q08c45dee0d4966a3e984","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q2926f294d7a6ce445896","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":514,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-26T01:52:05.677Z","text":"量刑后后一张","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2926f294d7a6ce445896","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q7bfe15838e694f39c93e","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":515,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-26T01:58:27.007Z","text":"对于GTV资金 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还不到火候","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9a8b270383f8388b442a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf54719cb8ba524ba0ccb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9a8b270383f8388b442a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q2ae07cb907f86015fd38","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":531,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-26T06:14:04.772Z","text":"到时候法官判没收 直接翻案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2ae07cb907f86015fd38","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q812755e1115efad238a8","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":532,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-26T06:14:15.326Z","text":"gtv不会没收的放心","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q812755e1115efad238a8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"qc98a306b6a82cb871928","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":533,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-26T06:14:38.636Z","text":"[删节：成员身份]投资了几十万gtv","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc98a306b6a82cb871928","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"qa4363dfb7d3e045f8622","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":534,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-26T06:14:52.530Z","text":"中国公安都有记录","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa4363dfb7d3e045f8622","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q13d4cb596c5533cc3289","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":535,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-26T06:15:21.217Z","text":"怎么 还想没收？？你没收 中共可以说： 你美国司法干涉中国内政！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q13d4cb596c5533cc3289","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q57dae802cd83ca18fe86","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":536,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-26T06:15:50.513Z","text":"不可能的 检方这次是做白日梦了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q57dae802cd83ca18fe86","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q028217e56cd47384ebf3","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":537,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-26T06:17:08.800Z","text":"说实话 没收程序 量刑 已经彻底崩溃了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q028217e56cd47384ebf3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"qa979656a65398ed00991","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":538,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-26T06:17:33.174Z","text":"主权 身份冲突 有半毛钱的中国国家安全罪的资金被美国没收 都是外交冲突","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa979656a65398ed00991","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q3ec747c10bb75ef9db2e","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":539,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-26T06:17:47.580Z","text":"外交事件 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做不到的","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ccb108b46cb7cbb6e5c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"qcf31ab6490c5c42acbac","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":551,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-26T06:25:43.145Z","text":"这就是瑞恩丁元英式的设的天局","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf31ab6490c5c42acbac","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q262dc0e0a0af31a8905f","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":552,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-26T06:26:09.751Z","text":"连他妈上传都不敢了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q262dc0e0a0af31a8905f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"qffac3260fa518709d8d0","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":553,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-26T06:26:35.364Z","text":"在丁元英的禅宗面前 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你必须上传","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64a3fbc69736c7ed8e51","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q10dc379ec87ee3f8c71f","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":591,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-26T07:20:01.056Z","text":"不上传不讨论","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q10dc379ec87ee3f8c71f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q24672120beacfc3104ce","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":592,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-26T07:20:45.068Z","text":"这是政治案 还是诈骗案？ 之前托雷斯说是诈骗案 是因为证据不让上交","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q24672120beacfc3104ce","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q310fff99ccdb7502fae1","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":593,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-26T07:21:15.021Z","text":"现在政治案的证据上交到你的上级法院了 你不仅错过了讨论这个点的机会 还对此压制","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q310fff99ccdb7502fae1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q6d6d91740a1302258291","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":594,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-26T07:22:31.828Z","text":"就算是金三胖判过的人 同样的人在美国判  你也的研究","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6d6d91740a1302258291","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q2bc0710cf1da5f1783cd","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":595,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-26T07:22:55.113Z","text":"你得出结论： 朝鲜流氓国家","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2bc0710cf1da5f1783cd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"qfd56edfc40226d72060b","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":596,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-26T07:22:59.160Z","text":"他们的判决不用管","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfd56edfc40226d72060b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q72c690db11e12af1f413","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":597,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-26T07:23:04.519Z","text":"这可以","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q72c690db11e12af1f413","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q4bfd43a2e59b838cb853","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":598,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-26T07:23:11.751Z","text":"但是你连这个都没有","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4bfd43a2e59b838cb853","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084"},{"id":"q56b29be219106d62273d","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":599,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-26T07:23:26.964Z","text":"台下有人说 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