{"id":"batch-000094","number":94,"revision":1,"date_start":"2026-03-25T06:56:36.491Z","date_end":"2026-03-27T12:32:53.118Z","total_messages":1000,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 094 (Mar 25, 2026 – Mar 27, 2026), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. From March 25 to March 27, 2026, participants disputed whether the complaint, arrest, and FBI timeline was coherent and whether evidence and testimony were sufficient beyond speculation. Core friction remained over victim-versus-conspirator framing and who should carry loss. Financial debate covered forfeiture, return priorities, and disputed ownership of HDO/PAX-related funds, including the 6512 list. Procedural arguments focused on using second-circuit filings, appeal routes, and statute 853, CRVA, and MRVA options, with no court findings introduced. Community statements, not court findings.","guide_en":[{"title":"Dispute over report legitimacy and timeline: report, arrest, and FBI involvement are repeatedly reordered","description":"Some participants argued the filing, arrest, and FBI sequence was being reframed for advantage while others disputed the sequence’s reliability. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q98acf1f30e6b3439514f","q6c1b413c53012a98b48e","q31bed1907d77d301884a"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q98acf1f30e6b3439514f","summary_en":"A participant said the argument would become meaningful only if another person publicly admitted making a false report. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q6c1b413c53012a98b48e","summary_en":"A participant claimed the filing was treated as a 2021 GTV investment-fraud complaint basis for reporting to authorities. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q31bed1907d77d301884a","summary_en":"A participant stated that FBI investigation began in 2020 but arrest came only after three years, framing a long timeline. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Evidence chain credibility debate: whether chat records and attached material are verifiable or merely suspicious statements","description":"Participants argued that chat recordings and supporting links were insufficiently verified and contested whether they constituted more than speculation. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q74f8f566befe5f855124","q5b504e20190c53adce04","q5f1d8254acac035b7b37"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q74f8f566befe5f855124","summary_en":"A participant questioned whether a WeChat voice recording could be treated as conclusive proof and asked how identity was established. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q5b504e20190c53adce04","summary_en":"A participant said the overall facts were hard to judge and described the situation as murky. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q5f1d8254acac035b7b37","summary_en":"A participant shared a social-media post link as part of evidence discussion without adding an explanatory interpretation. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Witness and testimony dispute: whether key witnesses are credible, influenced, and decisive for conviction","description":"Some participants contended witness accounts were materially similar and therefore credible, while others argued key witnesses could be unreliable or tactical. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qae0f3fd7b22389e685a3","q27792428a2a7a2cf55eb","q97cf7af7b8d954bd2597"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qae0f3fd7b22389e685a3","summary_en":"A participant said there was no substantive difference between two key statements, treating the testimony as largely aligned. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q27792428a2a7a2cf55eb","summary_en":"A participant noted that a tainted witness could reverse position, implying instability in testimony reliability. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q97cf7af7b8d954bd2597","summary_en":"A participant described the Southern District as operating through a bureaucratic system, suggesting institutional complexity in assessing credibility. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Victim and conspiracy boundaries: whether prosecution-facing victims and platform actors were collaborators or harmed parties","description":"Participants argued that so-called victims and allies were manipulated or entangled, and contested which actors should bear liability as victims, co-conspirators, or targets of claims. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q0c8d046b3d437c69dcd2","q0bb41fc2c188565f612e","qde72e31b4c71e50f24df"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q0c8d046b3d437c69dcd2","summary_en":"A participant claimed certain evidence had been steered by the prosecution’s victim side. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q0bb41fc2c188565f612e","summary_en":"A participant argued victims should have left claim recovery to prosecutors, while a platform actor was portrayed as aligning with defense. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qde72e31b4c71e50f24df","summary_en":"A participant summarized that conspiracy and victim categories were presented as jointly involved and disruptive. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Second-circuit and trial-floor issue: whether second-circuit materials can be used in lower-court proceedings","description":"A key contention was whether second-circuit materials are admissible in district court without an explicit authorization, and whether that opacity can distort fairness. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qc56394de393cc205976a","qf014fd4a934f48db3887","q22797b123541648e9665"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qc56394de393cc205976a","summary_en":"A participant asked if second-circuit filings could be cited in district court absent formal approval or confirmation. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf014fd4a934f48db3887","summary_en":"A participant asserted that only a procedural-correctness claim might reverse the case. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q22797b123541648e9665","summary_en":"A participant said first-instance proceedings are publicly visible, but second-circuit matters stay limited, which they suggested can make them easier to manipulate. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Appeal-route divergence: whether to pursue second-circuit pressure, Supreme Court review, 2255, or CRVA/MRVA options","description":"Participants argued that total relief requires forcing a decisive move by one side, while others narrowed strategy to specific appellate and forfeiture-attack pathways. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q327d2ea3ab66ca57bf29","qb4ab442aa3145458b5ea","qf8b8c6fc95b4c980927b"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q327d2ea3ab66ca57bf29","summary_en":"A participant argued that defeating the case still requires one side to yield through pressure at the second-circuit stage or elsewhere. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qb4ab442aa3145458b5ea","summary_en":"A participant directly emphasized the second-circuit path as the focal forum. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf8b8c6fc95b4c980927b","summary_en":"A participant claimed CRVA and MRVA could be used to oppose forfeiture and bypass prosecutorial channels. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Defense performance and sentencing expectations: error claims, fast or top-end sentencing, and retrial space","description":"Some participants argued the defense had openings for attack, while others pushed for immediate sentencing, creating overlapping views that retrial prospects were uncertain. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q0476d3104b482b51a3b9","q26d90ffad8f31dad20c8","q2d3ee7e7067cb36f75ec"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q0476d3104b482b51a3b9","summary_en":"A participant suggested the prosecution could exploit weaknesses and score another attack. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q26d90ffad8f31dad20c8","summary_en":"A participant called for fast sentencing without further explanatory detail. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q2d3ee7e7067cb36f75ec","summary_en":"A participant expressed a pessimistic stance that the outcome was already effectively determined. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Forfeiture, return, and waiver boundaries: whether penalties should precede restitution and fund attribution","description":"Participants argued tainted evidence should bar some claims, with others insisting loss allocation and direct return obligations still drive disputes over who receives recovery versus punishment. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q9b6efc8730a9fd28e778","q855a6914572472a4a51c","q50f8c6a4ccff930c02f7"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q9b6efc8730a9fd28e778","summary_en":"A participant argued contaminated evidence should be unusable and that monetary loss mattered more than incremental sentence time. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q855a6914572472a4a51c","summary_en":"A participant claimed that if a certain legal theory succeeds, all consequences could be attributed to Guo. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q50f8c6a4ccff930c02f7","summary_en":"A participant advised that assets should not be forfeited before clarifying the recovery framework. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Freeze and fund-ownership dispute: 6512 list, 14/13 billion figures, and the direction of financial risk","description":"Participants disputed how frozen assets are classified, whether the 6512 cohort is legitimate, and whether contested amounts should be treated as fraud proceeds or unlinked funds. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q8af7a601631f6ecd6e54","qcd9de74b0b20979e51dc","q31b52e6eba98118f84d3"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q8af7a601631f6ecd6e54","summary_en":"A participant said proof was needed that the 6512 listed persons in a motion were real. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qcd9de74b0b20979e51dc","summary_en":"A participant referenced 14-billion locked funds in the freeze pool. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q31b52e6eba98118f84d3","summary_en":"A participant characterized the exchange-related 6512 assets as fraud proceeds. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"PAX and creditor-chain dispute: nominee claims, replacement creditors, and possible wider coordination","description":"Participants argued money had been moved into bankruptcy channels and reassigned to registered creditors like PAX, while others claimed ultimate harm focused on Guo and investors. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q6ad7906584030d957edd","q8da3f97658f8f0a481dd","q2177dde6a0cdbc4f7d20"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q6ad7906584030d957edd","summary_en":"A participant said transferred funds were quickly folded into the bankruptcy case. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q8da3f97658f8f0a481dd","summary_en":"A participant stated that a registered creditor designation had been made in favor of PAX. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q2177dde6a0cdbc4f7d20","summary_en":"A participant argued that the principal people harmed were Guo and investors. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Affidavit and statute-text dispute: bilingual affidavit handling and statute 853 impact on return calculations","description":"Participants contended that affidavit details and statutory language were being debated to shape property claims, including what can be excluded from forfeiture and what relief is available for third-party rights. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qa20e7ee6ebbcdcc3b862","qe01a9873e2f936d11200","q4b17e1e42ce8e3d45118"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qa20e7ee6ebbcdcc3b862","summary_en":"A participant shared redacted personal data when posting material as evidence. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qe01a9873e2f936d11200","summary_en":"A participant asked for the substance of the affidavit content, indicating uncertainty about what was being asserted. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q4b17e1e42ce8e3d45118","summary_en":"A participant relayed a requested-order style petition seeking recognition of superior property rights, exclusion from forfeiture, evidentiary relief, and full HDO-forfeiture remission. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Political narrative and information war: national-security persecution framing and organized group messaging","description":"Some participants argued external political interference and social-engineering narratives were shaping interpretation, while others dismissed related questions as noise compared with core legal issues. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q4b4ee957c15516de8bfa","qf155231330a0e8ba00bc","q441ffc4888e74f9c9393"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q4b4ee957c15516de8bfa","summary_en":"A participant questioned whether state intervention was intended to derail the case. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf155231330a0e8ba00bc","summary_en":"A participant considered those politics-oriented points meaningless. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q441ffc4888e74f9c9393","summary_en":"A participant mocked the source of posting in the alliance group, suggesting coordinated message distribution. Community statements, not court 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咋就成为他们的了？ 我有什么罪？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q496ac4cffaaf51e62318","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qabc5e7ff678a2d99b190","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q496ac4cffaaf51e62318","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000094"},{"id":"q5f1d8254acac035b7b37","batch_id":"batch-000094","seq":207,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-03-25T19:32:56.181Z","text":"https://x.com/8wqigh20ibdtwrs/status/2036829696210460925?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f1d8254acac035b7b37","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000094"},{"id":"qaf4eb10f44c3c6e5cc92","batch_id":"batch-000094","seq":208,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-03-25T19:33:03.453Z","text":"这个咋回事 ［用户 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你去下载一下看看？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbf904327b1974342848c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000094"},{"id":"q67492811aaa85193de5d","batch_id":"batch-000094","seq":297,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-03-25T23:22:08.598Z","text":"FormerFedsGroup","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q67492811aaa85193de5d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000094"},{"id":"q4b17e1e42ce8e3d45118","batch_id":"batch-000094","seq":298,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-03-25T23:23:18.350Z","text":"请求的救济\nA. 我恭敬地请求法院在此辅助请愿下： · 承认我作为无辜第三方的有效且优越的财产权益。 · 将我的索赔财产排除在政府的没收令之外，包括释放相当于我的 HDO 余额的美元。 · 授予法院认为公正和适当的任何其他救济，例如证据听证会或对 HEX 记录的发现，以验证我的索赔。 B. 如果法院不批准此辅助请愿，请接受此作为美国司法部减免程序下的返回减免请愿。 我请求不使用索赔管理员以节省成本。 我授予根据司法部和 HEX 同意的条款访问权限，并采用最严格的安全程序来保护我的信息，鉴于交易所的海外性质以及潜在的隐私和其他严重风险。 · 我寻求完全减免，包括我的 HDO（稳定币）余额的等值美元金额。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4b17e1e42ce8e3d45118","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000094"},{"id":"q53fa8f6e6a7e4c714e2a","batch_id":"batch-000094","seq":299,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-03-25T23:24:05.404Z","text":"他这里是853n了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q53fa8f6e6a7e4c714e2a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000094"},{"id":"q3d1f180d6e964bdc646d","batch_id":"batch-000094","seq":300,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-03-25T23:24:58.694Z","text":"就是这意思！！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3d1f180d6e964bdc646d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000094"},{"id":"qacd1984296a35eb47f98","batch_id":"batch-000094","seq":301,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-03-25T23:25:14.274Z","text":"[删节：成员身份] 小骗子们 你们司法欺诈被抓到了！！","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qacd1984296a35eb47f98","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000094"},{"id":"qecb168bc92711040b0a4","batch_id":"batch-000094","seq":302,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-03-25T23:30:22.265Z","text":"https://bragey5.dreamhosters.com/%e6%8f%90%e4%ba%a4%e5%ae%a3%e8%aa%93%e4%b9%a6/","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qecb168bc92711040b0a4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000094"},{"id":"q42174e3a5efbc5c127f0","batch_id":"batch-000094","seq":303,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-03-25T23:33:41.236Z","text":"我们不再接受新客户。法院要求每位现有客户提交一份宣誓书。请填写右侧表格，立即提交您的宣誓书。\n\n\n通过在上面两次输入我的唯一 HID# 作为我的签名，我在此根据伪证罪的处罚声明，我已仔细审查以下信息，并且根据美国法律，在我所知范围内，它是真实和正确的：\n索赔人的身份和资格\nA. 我的身份信息由喜马拉雅交易所（HEX）安全持有，并可使用上面的 HID# 访问。 B. 我根据 21 U.S.C. § 853(n) 和联邦刑事诉讼规则第 32.2(c) 条提交本宣誓书，主张我在美国诉 Ho Wan Kwok 别名“Miles Guo”案（案号 23-cr-118 (AT) (S.D.N.Y.)）中没收财产的合法权益。 C. 我是以下所述财产的合法所有者，该财产作为稳定币储备由喜马拉雅交易所持有。我对任何非法活动一无所知，也没有参与其中，我作为无辜投资者以善意获取了我的资产。 D. 我授权 FormerFedsGroup.Com LLC 继续代表我行事，积极追究此索赔，并寻求恢复我的 HDO 余额的等值金额，以及与我的 HCN 资产贬值相关的任何相关损失，如下所述。根据银行记录和 HEX 将提供的账户跟踪信息，我在 HEX 于 2021 年 4 月开放后以及美国政府于 2022 年 9 月扣押前进行了这些购买。\n没收财产的描述\nA. 没收财产的详细信息存储在 HEX 的账户记录中，即我的喜马拉雅美元（HDO）稳定币余额和相关的喜马拉雅币（HCN）余额。HDO 稳定币储备作为政府在上述案件中没收行动的一部分被扣押或冻结，金额达数百万美元，来自喜马拉雅交易所的银行账户。 B. 我的 HDO 余额代表一种稳定的币投资，旨在作为安全的、与美元挂钩的资产，而我的 HCN 持有与平台的交易生态系统相关联。该扣押导致这些资产严重贬值并无法访问。 C. 政府扣押 HEX 平台和网站使我无法访问我的账户信息，但 HEX 已认证我为客户，并提供了 HDO、HCN、存款和赎回的账户价值，我授权我的律师提供这些信息。\n索赔依据\nA. 我的索赔基于以下财产的合法权益： · 我是该财产的合法所有者，即从扣押的稳定币储备中相当于我的 HDO 余额的美元金额，我的权利先于政府的没收程序。 · 我的权益优于任何政府索赔，因为我在相关犯罪发生前或以善意且不知任何可没收行为的情况下获取了该财产。 · 该财产是合法获取的，如 HEX 记录中详尽描述，包括交易历史、存款和账户报表，显示我未参与任何所谓的欺诈计划。 · 所有建立我所有权权益的文件和账户历史均存储在 HEX 的记录中，我授权在安全条件下发布。 B. 作为 21 U.S.C. § 853(n)(6) 下的无辜所有者，我对该财产与非法活动有关一无所知，也没有合理的理由相信这一点。我投资 HEX，相信它是一个合法的加密货币交易所，提供 HDO（稳定币）和 HCN（交易代币）以实现无国界金融自由，如公开宣传所述。 C. 与 HDO 资产相关的具体损失：政府的扣押导致交易所停止赎回，因为它不再拥有储备资金。在没收前，客户能够提出赎回请求并将 HDO 兑换为美元。我寻求从喜马拉雅交易所的扣押美元储备资金中恢复我的 HDO 余额的等值金额（作为稳定资产）。 D. 与 HCN 资产相关的具体损失：政府的扣押以及随后 HCN（喜马拉雅币）的贬值造成了直接的财务损害。在没收前，HCN 作为 HEX 生态系统的一部分具有价值，但平台的交易停止和资产冻结导致价值损失。 我寻求政府对我的 HCN 余额损失的补偿损害赔偿，按喜马拉雅交易所暂停交易时的市场价格计算。\n遵守没收程序\nA. 我根据 21 U.S.C. § 853(n)(2) 要求的法定截止日期提交此索赔。 B. 我请求法院根据 21 U.S.C. § 853(n)(4)-(5) 和 Fed. R. Crim. P. 32.2(c) 的规定安排辅助听证会，以审理我的索赔，呈交我的无辜所有权证据，并挑战没收对我的资产的适用性。 C. 如果法院拒绝此辅助请愿，我提交以下陈述以支持提交给司法部的减免请愿，根据 28 C.F.R. Part 9（行政、民事和刑事没收的减免或缓解规定）。 我是一名无辜所有者，对没收财产具有合法的财务权益，在不知欺诈的情况下获取。 我请求司法部行使其酌情权，批准没收的减免或缓解，注意到没收程序最初并非设计用于处理像 HEX 这样的海外加密交易所，导致对无辜用户造成不成比例的损害。 我请求返回 HEX 持有的所有资金，包括我的 HDO 余额的等值金额，而不使用索赔管理员以节省成本和提高效率。 我未被喜马拉雅交易所欺诈。唯一造成的损失是由于政府扣押和行动，导致交易所停止交易。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q42174e3a5efbc5c127f0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000094"},{"id":"q522eb1a277ee9dbd0b67","batch_id":"batch-000094","seq":304,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-03-25T23:33:45.551Z","text":"请求的救济\nA. 我恭敬地请求法院在此辅助请愿下： · 承认我作为无辜第三方的有效且优越的财产权益。 · 将我的索赔财产排除在政府的没收令之外，包括释放相当于我的 HDO 余额的美元。 · 授予法院认为公正和适当的任何其他救济，例如证据听证会或对 HEX 记录的发现，以验证我的索赔。 B. 如果法院不批准此辅助请愿，请接受此作为美国司法部减免程序下的返回减免请愿。 我请求不使用索赔管理员以节省成本。 我授予根据司法部和 HEX 同意的条款访问权限，并采用最严格的安全程序来保护我的信息，鉴于交易所的海外性质以及潜在的隐私和其他严重风险。 · 我寻求完全减免，包括我的 HDO（稳定币）余额的等值美元金额。\n授权\nA. 我授权 HEX 向法院、政府或指定的第三方提供我的账户信息，以供审查，但须遵守保护条件，以确保我的身份不公开，从而保护我的安全。 B. 我授权 FormerFedsGroup.Com LLC 代表我的法律权益，继续追究索赔，并在所有相关程序中代表我行事。 C. 我授权法院、政府或指定的第三方返回资金，直接或通过 HEX 协调的第三方返回。我理解最终程序将由法院批准，我请求它考虑资产的加密性质（例如，按扣押价值转换为法定等值以减轻损失）。\n我根据伪证罪的处罚声明，前述信息在我的知识和信念范围内是真实、正确和完整的。通过在上面两次输入我的 HID# 并选择“提交”，我确认我的身份，并授权通过我的 HEX 账户记录验证此声明。\n\n \nSubmit","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q522eb1a277ee9dbd0b67","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000094"},{"id":"q8cbf6a4c9ae2e15806b4","batch_id":"batch-000094","seq":305,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-03-25T23:39:56.664Z","text":"你的文件还没有上传吧？联盟还没看到吧？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q49eb5b39cb3b05829436","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8cbf6a4c9ae2e15806b4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000094"},{"id":"q13c3a736de3707b5feed","batch_id":"batch-000094","seq":306,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-03-25T23:43:25.350Z","text":"某人的文件提交了呦😂","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6bc687ab1414f886ce3b","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q13c3a736de3707b5feed","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000094"},{"id":"qdc6565b63b2778f259ea","batch_id":"batch-000094","seq":307,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-03-25T23:44:15.566Z","text":"提交不等于他们看到了呀","edited":false,"reply_to":"q13c3a736de3707b5feed","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdc6565b63b2778f259ea","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q13c3a736de3707b5feed","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000094"},{"id":"qf4c8bbd23f77ce77bf68","batch_id":"batch-000094","seq":308,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-03-25T23:44:28.102Z","text":"说不定 [删节：隐私信息] 告诉他们了呦","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf4c8bbd23f77ce77bf68","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000094"},{"id":"qda18496da99bd3c1877e","batch_id":"batch-000094","seq":309,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-03-25T23:46:28.245Z","text":"他不会管他们的死活的，他主要是对托雷斯法官负责","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf4c8bbd23f77ce77bf68","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qda18496da99bd3c1877e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf4c8bbd23f77ce77bf68","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000094"},{"id":"q32ed7f0235a9543572c8","batch_id":"batch-000094","seq":310,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-03-25T23:53:24.594Z","text":"新约是用一个道成肉身，经历过人间苦的无罪的基督去做审判，同时基督的死也是给那些因环境影响不得已继承祖辈犯罪的人承担罪责，只要他们悔改，但是最后也一样会有旧约式的大审判，程序正义让人无可推诿","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6486eae9d68d44e8b0ab","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q32ed7f0235a9543572c8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6486eae9d68d44e8b0ab","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000094"},{"id":"q82c256f31c3f0485724f","batch_id":"batch-000094","seq":311,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-03-25T23:53:56.884Z","text":"悔改就有漏洞可钻","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q82c256f31c3f0485724f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000094"},{"id":"q26af7e782f16c5f05993","batch_id":"batch-000094","seq":312,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-03-25T23:54:10.681Z","text":"没有悔改的机会 严刑峻法 才能有效","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q26af7e782f16c5f05993","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000094"},{"id":"q70f5b53960e5c634d624","batch_id":"batch-000094","seq":313,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-03-26T00:33:17.406Z","text":"联盟行政委员会？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfbdb1da9fea881f59eb9","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q70f5b53960e5c634d624","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000094"},{"id":"qadc51d793963b48540e5","batch_id":"batch-000094","seq":314,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-03-26T00:36:25.683Z","text":"更像 白莲教 总坛 \n红花会 总舵\n日月神教 黑木崖\n明教 光明顶\n丐帮 长老会","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qadc51d793963b48540e5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000094"},{"id":"q7f5a56024050b011a52e","batch_id":"batch-000094","seq":315,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-03-26T00:36:56.592Z","text":"越来越像邪教了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7f5a56024050b011a52e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000094"},{"id":"qbc109158ca3c85a245c9","batch_id":"batch-000094","seq":316,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-03-26T00:47:30.689Z","text":"有没有英文版？ 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Administrator）是为了确保数万名投资者公平分配。检方会认为，为你一个人“节省成本”而改变整个案件的分配流程是不可能的，这会增加政府的行政负担。\n\n关于隐私和安全： 你提到“最严格的安全程序”，检方可能会将其解读为你在拒绝配合标准的审查程序。他们会反驳：如果不通过标准的 KYC 和管理员审核，政府无法验证资金的真实来源，从而无法发放款项。\n\n3. 核心法律风险分析\n诉求内容    法律现实    风险等级\nHDO 余额 = 美元所有权    法律上很难成立。HDO 通常被视为平台发放的凭证，而非对法院扣押资金的直接所有权。    极高\n要求跳过管理员    几乎不可能被批准。政府需要标准化流程来防止欺诈申请。    高\n请求发现（Discovery）    法院很少在辅助程序中允许广泛的证据开示，除非你能证明你已经拥有所有权。    中\n4. 总结：他们会怎么看？\n结论是：他们会认为这是一份“试图在两个世界中获利”的申请。\n\n检方会说： “这位请愿人既想当‘所有人’拿回全部钱，又想在失败时当‘受害者’拿回赔偿，而且还不想接受我们的监管程序。这是不合规的。”\n\n法官会说： “我只管所有权判定。如果你不是法律上的所有人，你的请愿就被驳回。至于你想向司法部申请减免，那是你和政府之间的事情，不要在我的法庭文件里提这种程序外要求。”\n\n建议的改进策略\n如果你希望提高成功率，通常需要做出选择：\n\n纯法律路径： 专注于证明你是“善意购买者”（BFP），并提供极其详尽的资金流向证据，证明你的钱没有被混淆，而是直接对应被扣押的那笔钱。\n\n行政路径： 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但是欺诈案受害者 对郭没有任何帮助\n要钱 但又不反对检方没收 不反对减免remission 检方就强行这么干","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa4b5ef976cae9d787df1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000094"},{"id":"q62cb510e70295eea91e0","batch_id":"batch-000094","seq":343,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-03-26T01:23:54.418Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 联盟闯祸了","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q62cb510e70295eea91e0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000094"},{"id":"qcbc1b460b2ce2dbf0c55","batch_id":"batch-000094","seq":344,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-03-26T01:25:06.676Z","text":"这其实是在帮检方 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[删节：成员身份]","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q147f364437db390fd4d6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000094"},{"id":"qea9173a9b0daf46c8f2c","batch_id":"batch-000094","seq":347,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-03-26T01:25:33.467Z","text":"你去主张所有权后，法院不认，自然就是走减免，没必要刻意写出来。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea9173a9b0daf46c8f2c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000094"},{"id":"qf22af88116c5c02e8354","batch_id":"batch-000094","seq":348,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-03-26T01:25:52.847Z","text":"就是这意思\n扭扭捏捏","edited":false,"reply_to":"qea9173a9b0daf46c8f2c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf22af88116c5c02e8354","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea9173a9b0daf46c8f2c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000094"},{"id":"q57ca18a5c486604a0e55","batch_id":"batch-000094","seq":349,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-03-26T01:27:46.005Z","text":"青们 就是在和检方打配合","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q57ca18a5c486604a0e55","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000094"},{"id":"q86acc13357c23ff35bf6","batch_id":"batch-000094","seq":350,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-03-26T01:29:08.825Z","text":"各位 咱们现在可以去看庭审记录了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q86acc13357c23ff35bf6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000094"},{"id":"q2049557497b831d55a83","batch_id":"batch-000094","seq":351,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-03-26T01:29:30.192Z","text":"我发现现在以我们的证据 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