{"id":"batch-000099","number":99,"revision":1,"date_start":"2026-04-07T11:57:28.474Z","date_end":"2026-04-09T11:07:24.872Z","total_messages":1000,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 099 (Apr 7, 2026 – Apr 9, 2026), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Batch-99 focused on the Guo matter after-conviction and bankruptcy crossover, mainly debating victim status and conspiracy boundaries, court-role allocation, and procedural records like 364/441/853N, 1195, CRVA, and Wang-case-linked forfeiture references. Participants disputed whether entity-labeling (including G Enterprise and related nominees) is evidence-based, whether loss figures are verified, and whether service/filing lapses justify substantive relief. The thread remained heavily interpretive: many claims were framed as conjecture, while others argued the process flaws were material but unproven. Community statements, not court findings.","guide_en":[{"title":"Victim identity and conspiracy boundaries: who counts as victim or co-conspirator","description":"Participants argued over who can be counted as a victim or co-conspirator, with claims that alleged victim status was overstated and that only authorized figures should be treated as such, while others framed prosecution narrative choices as setting up later restitution positioning. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qf912d45c7ccb4e631475","qbaaf62466e197f5dff26","q1e3b868bf05ee157e1e3"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qf912d45c7ccb4e631475","summary_en":"One participant contended the prosecution appeared to ignore the issue and that this allowed someone to pose as a victim, which they saw as a contested procedural characterization. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qbaaf62466e197f5dff26","summary_en":"A participant disputed that anyone had authority to replace a party, arguing there was no authorization and no registered legal-person status. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q1e3b868bf05ee157e1e3","summary_en":"A participant claimed the prosecution was effectively acting as a victim to secure conviction and then reframing outcomes into pardon or restitution language at payout stage. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Trustee, bankruptcy court, and criminal court boundary: role allocation and litigation eligibility","description":"Participants argued that filing-track jurisdiction was unclear, with debate over whether a docket was bankruptcy or Southern District control and whether Luc and related trustees had standing to be treated as primary actors. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q5af3b52f90d9d529bcec","q24db727b1724a26d58f8","qf59ad08a0599e5e49e07"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q5af3b52f90d9d529bcec","summary_en":"A participant asked directly whether the court handling matters was bankruptcy court or the Southern District, highlighting docket-role ambiguity. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q24db727b1724a26d58f8","summary_en":"Another participant asserted Luc has standing, signaling a claim to procedural legitimacy in the proceeding. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf59ad08a0599e5e49e07","summary_en":"One message relayed that public reporting described the responsible trustee as tied to the bankruptcy matter, which some used to support a court-role interpretation. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Second-appeal positioning dispute: procedural reconsideration or substantive re-argument","description":"Participants contested whether the second-level review was merely procedural or should engage factual and merits issues, with one side saying it ignored complaints and another saying no procedural defect was found. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q9b84a80820fe3e25ded8","qfd741f182ec12c51f711","q298ac9d9ee6a9e622ff2"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q9b84a80820fe3e25ded8","summary_en":"A participant argued that the second-tier court was not engaging with the disputed points. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qfd741f182ec12c51f711","summary_en":"Another participant contended that the second court denied relief because it did not identify procedural error. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q298ac9d9ee6a9e622ff2","summary_en":"A later participant argued that once a third party appears, Luc must show up, while also claiming prosecutors were preparing fallback tracks tied to forfeiture timing and depletion concerns. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Procedural compliance focus: whether 364/441/853N are filed and late filing effects","description":"Participants argued that timely record-building was unresolved, citing failures to upload filings such as 364, 441, and 853N and debating whether notices or motions to add the record could compel correction. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qe41f0156d6fc44959559","q45ce3408ecfb8fdfc8a0","q3dd13704cf3e65bcc200"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qe41f0156d6fc44959559","summary_en":"One participant described filing a Torres motion alleging bias and injustice after one record was uploaded for one party but not 853N, and said a motion to include 364 drew no response. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q45ce3408ecfb8fdfc8a0","summary_en":"Another participant suggested serving a notice to the second-level court about the South District’s failure to upload the opening-notice filing. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q3dd13704cf3e65bcc200","summary_en":"A participant stated plainly that filings 364 and 441 had still not been uploaded. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Service and consolidation notice anomalies: postmarks, origins, and duplicate delivery","description":"Participants disputed whether consolidation notices were duplicate and irregular, with arguments over source court, postmark timing, and whether repeated paper service weakened reliability. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qbfe3eea86e23a7b16f1b","q816a49ebfc7f3ece9338","qf90fcc9dceb2c76052ba"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qbfe3eea86e23a7b16f1b","summary_en":"A participant reported receiving another consolidation notice with a February 27 postmark and noted the same type of notice had already been received earlier. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q816a49ebfc7f3ece9338","summary_en":"Another participant questioned whether the prior notice came from the second court while the latest seemed issued by the Southern District. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf90fcc9dceb2c76052ba","summary_en":"A participant added that the earlier notice had also been delivered in paper form, reinforcing doubt about handling consistency. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Alter ego and G Enterprise/HK attribution as alleged evidence reshaping","description":"Participants disputed whether grouping G-series entities into one construct amounted to an evidentiary stretch, with claims prosecutors were using a single control label to make broader attribution and avoid entity-level proof. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q95e554bb1fc4da798e66","qbac92c6000232e4cbc60","q04a10e2d34f5064f6959"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q95e554bb1fc4da798e66","summary_en":"A participant argued the prosecution bundled separate G-series entities into one unit, describing this as an unsupported conceptual shift. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qbac92c6000232e4cbc60","summary_en":"The same participant stated the point of that bundling was to claim Guo controlled everything. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q04a10e2d34f5064f6959","summary_en":"A participant argued the Guo matter involved both bankruptcy and criminal cases of different types and that one side was cross-referencing indictments rather than proving every point. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Control and nominee disputes: Liannong, ACA/Himalaya, and Lady May money trail","description":"Participants disputed whether entities were nominee structures tied to Guo or independent channels, with one side repeatedly pressing alter-ego inferences and another pointing to cashflow destination as inconsistent with that theory. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q048a79d19b17fe91369f","q530fb68d00b8a86c48cb","qc5ebf3dfdfc73b91c215"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q048a79d19b17fe91369f","summary_en":"A participant asked whether Liannong was effectively Guo’s alter ego, putting control attribution at issue. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q530fb68d00b8a86c48cb","summary_en":"Another participant contended funds routed through the farm ultimately reached the farm owner’s pocket and were not used by Guo’s family, disputing nominee-control inference. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qc5ebf3dfdfc73b91c215","summary_en":"A participant queried whether Lady May had been funded by Guo, further challenging the control chain narrative. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Victim counts and amount basis: 5.5 billion/13 billion and list reliability","description":"Participants argued that victim counts and loss scale were unresolved, with one view demanding auditable line-item losses and another disputing whether named representatives qualified as victims; disputes over totals remained unresolved and contested. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qa2f39f6fe886d2989556","q04115b734ee187142d45","qf3879edcad6d456fc74e"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qa2f39f6fe886d2989556","summary_en":"A participant stated legal standards require each victim to have specific, auditable loss figures and a clear list. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q04115b734ee187142d45","summary_en":"Another participant reported the defense repeatedly arguing that certain represented parties were not victims. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf3879edcad6d456fc74e","summary_en":"A participant claimed the roster may include only 50 registered victims, which was used to challenge total-headcount assumptions. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Core evidence verifiability: 1111 materials, transcripts, and Luc disclosure","description":"Participants claimed critical evidence needed verification, demanding access to 1111 documents and arguing that transcript evidence was more reliable than unsupported commentary, while some doubted what Luc had actually submitted. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q14d6b437546724ac83d7","q6558f56a92b1c8482890","qac4c73a4e9db7a957997"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q14d6b437546724ac83d7","summary_en":"A participant simply asked that the 1111 file be released and offered to forward it to a legal-file room. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q6558f56a92b1c8482890","summary_en":"Another participant said the 1111 record appeared in filing 1195 and dismissed one person’s claims as unreliable while noting UBS evidence as present. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qac4c73a4e9db7a957997","summary_en":"A participant asked what evidence Luc had actually filed, indicating doubt over disclosure completeness. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Sentencing strategy and narrative conflict: 175 years to \"at least 30\" and timing pressure","description":"Participants argued over sentencing narrative and political framing, from demands for extremely long terms to tactical downscaling, with competing claims that advocacy aimed at victim optics and payment-driven pressure rather than legal calibration. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qf9106adb9107c582083c","qf9c539c11b00a2903f94","qf4a36f6b585cc387ab52"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qf9106adb9107c582083c","summary_en":"A participant argued that the sentencing should attribute all disaster-causing conduct to the defendant and move directly to a 175-year target for dramatic effect. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf9c539c11b00a2903f94","summary_en":"Another participant stated the demand reportedly shifted from 175 years to a floor of at least 30 years. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf4a36f6b585cc387ab52","summary_en":"A participant suggested a 6,000-person figure was aimed at victim-count expansion, partly to support criminal evidence and partially to support payments in bankruptcy context. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Forfeiture scope: false claims, restitution, and remission definition","description":"Participants disputed the legal end-state of forfeiture and whether it was effectively framed through restitution or remission, with claims that Wang-case logic drove the method and that timing weakened enforcement. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q8f48ea6af7255635794a","q4d76fc1785cb71bf99d4","q7e06caae83d74faab8e1"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q8f48ea6af7255635794a","summary_en":"A participant accused the process of violating judicial integrity. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q4d76fc1785cb71bf99d4","summary_en":"Another participant endorsed the disputed forfeiture position in a short acknowledgement, indicating partial agreement with the prior claim. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q7e06caae83d74faab8e1","summary_en":"A participant laid out a three-step view: forfeiture scope and amounts derive from the Wang case, the defense challenged forfeiture late, and both 853N/CRVA paths were seen as ultimately channeling to remission rather than restitution. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Discussion style shift: group rules, labeling, and consensus inference overtaking evidence checking","description":"Participants argued over moderation and tone, with community rules pushing anti-harassment constraints, while others felt compliance pressure and enemy-labeling were overshadowing fact-checking of legal claims. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q54128f5abebae0ac6451","q22c6304a5ead6d6b7fa0","q3373c10a213598d83fb9"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q54128f5abebae0ac6451","summary_en":"An administrator posted multi-point group rules restricting off-topic posts and prohibiting label-based accusations without evidence, with escalation paths for repeated violations. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q22c6304a5ead6d6b7fa0","summary_en":"A participant shared an external social post link as part of the broader debate. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q3373c10a213598d83fb9","summary_en":"Another participant said they were only trying to file a private complaint and objected to being treated as an enemy. Community statements, not court findings."}]}],"summary":"本期讨论围绕后续庭审和破产交叉程序展开，主要争点高度分散但可归为三条主线：其一是身份定性与事实边界，包括受害者/代表、共谋、代持及alter ego的认定是否成立；其二是程序与证据效力，围绕文件提交、送达、密封材料、法院角色分工、二巡性质及上诉标准是否允许介入展开激烈争论；其三是财产追缴与量刑方向，涉及联农、ACA/Himalaya、Lady May等链条及金额口径是否可直接支持追缴与刑责强化。多数观点未形成一致答案，讨论中大量出现“需核验、未充分证实、仅为叙事解读”等表述，且对检方动机、律师策略与司法体系公信力的解释差异明显。","guide":[{"title":"受害者身份与共谋边界：是谁可被算入受害者/共谋犯","message_ids":["qf912d45c7ccb4e631475","qbaaf62466e197f5dff26","q1e3b868bf05ee157e1e3"]},{"title":"受托人、破产庭与刑事庭边界：角色定位与诉讼资格拉锯","message_ids":["q5af3b52f90d9d529bcec","q24db727b1724a26d58f8","qf59ad08a0599e5e49e07"]},{"title":"二巡上诉定位之争：程序复议还是案件实质重审","message_ids":["q9b84a80820fe3e25ded8","qfd741f182ec12c51f711","q298ac9d9ee6a9e622ff2"]},{"title":"程序合规焦点：364/441/853N是否入卷与逾期效力","message_ids":["qe41f0156d6fc44959559","q45ce3408ecfb8fdfc8a0","q3dd13704cf3e65bcc200"]},{"title":"送达与并案通知异常：邮戳、来源与重复送达被持续质疑","message_ids":["qbfe3eea86e23a7b16f1b","q816a49ebfc7f3ece9338","qf90fcc9dceb2c76052ba"]},{"title":"alter ego与G 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may 强制执行，然后是继续不还把lady may 转出纽约，然后就是要执行藐视法庭准备拘留，然后被迫申请破产。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc7edbcf84ed7d13a8150","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q32274f6cad2896c30582","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":403,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-04-07T23:20:44.439Z","text":"然后司法部trustee 跳出来说债务人不诚信，用替代自我隐匿资产，安排上受托人，第一个受托人可能有点底线，然后把有利益冲突无法无天的luc换上来。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q32274f6cad2896c30582","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q092b8793e15b4224a821","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":404,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-04-07T23:22:27.877Z","text":"luc一来，按照全世界都是郭的替代自我理论，说g系列都是郭的替代自我然后扣押，归入破产财产。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q092b8793e15b4224a821","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q6e9da55f3448b2723ef3","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":405,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-07T23:25:08.821Z","text":"说实话，破产庭的这些做法，确实有问题，因为这样的话，那以后那些富豪都危险了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q092b8793e15b4224a821","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6e9da55f3448b2723ef3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q092b8793e15b4224a821","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q4825de1dc0bdecccc1ea","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":406,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-04-07T23:25:21.507Z","text":"以上全都是非正当程序，在这些违法操作的结果上，违法登记巨额虚假债权，让大陪审团批准起诉，逮捕听证，保释听证，第二次申请保释，都用司法欺诈的方式来拒绝保释。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4825de1dc0bdecccc1ea","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q49364f1cddcb5c21a8ff","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":407,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-07T23:25:22.636Z","text":"就是这个意思","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6e9da55f3448b2723ef3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q49364f1cddcb5c21a8ff","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6e9da55f3448b2723ef3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q82ff5c38a39ca6cfdb44","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":408,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-07T23:25:36.554Z","text":"郭只用了Lady may三个月","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q82ff5c38a39ca6cfdb44","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q3b764dd1c8e407c2facc","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":409,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-07T23:26:02.908Z","text":"以后[屏蔽词]打官司再也不用律师","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3b764dd1c8e407c2facc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q7bdc0f1e14d62cc7295b","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":410,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-07T23:26:10.715Z","text":"我们群出来的 以后都不用律师","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7bdc0f1e14d62cc7295b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q0a8dec4bd64e97b532a9","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":411,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-07T23:26:17.646Z","text":"就等于是郭美借给他的，郭美还借给郝海东好几周呢","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0a8dec4bd64e97b532a9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q182dcdb43d576960be28","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":412,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-07T23:26:27.144Z","text":"司法水平我们已经顶天了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q182dcdb43d576960be28","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q4117ee12f545afdc54aa","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":413,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-07T23:26:52.218Z","text":"[屏蔽词]律师懂不懂什么叫司法欺诈","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4117ee12f545afdc54aa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q6ffc4b9523cdfe8dec73","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":414,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-07T23:26:59.021Z","text":"我估计这些[屏蔽词]破产律师","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6ffc4b9523cdfe8dec73","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q86b8d7c5077b9e470ce6","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":415,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-07T23:27:08.190Z","text":"根本都没研究过 什么叫司法欺诈 根本不敢用","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q86b8d7c5077b9e470ce6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"qe28636a63fdb1fd4cd79","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":416,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-07T23:27:37.314Z","text":"二巡也承认郭只用了Lady may三个月是一个问题，但是二巡认为luc其他的证据非常充分，所以还是维持原判","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe28636a63fdb1fd4cd79","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"qa26c1fb4ce894501749b","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":417,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-07T23:28:03.607Z","text":"这个[屏蔽词]律师明显不会打二巡","edited":true,"reply_to":"qe28636a63fdb1fd4cd79","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa26c1fb4ce894501749b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe28636a63fdb1fd4cd79","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"qa6895377064a2e2c26fe","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":418,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-07T23:28:07.349Z","text":"Luc其他的证据就是刑事庭的判决呗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa6895377064a2e2c26fe","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q943a5633c0c6503fd124","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":419,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-07T23:29:01.710Z","text":"二巡 就算你是耶稣下凡 你他妈也得归到一个：可裁决的法律问题上","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q943a5633c0c6503fd124","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"qa6b05765ba4157c342e1","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":420,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-04-07T23:31:11.118Z","text":"那个lady被二巡维持原判在资料之中。但hk你可以说是郭美的替代自我，不能说是郭的。对于这种明显的荒唐，不需要律师要把下级法院的程序说得多严重，就可以推翻下级法院的判决。看来二巡也不干净。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa6b05765ba4157c342e1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q422c5fad4786e41bb140","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":421,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-07T23:31:21.305Z","text":"操 如果我们这样玩法律的人多一点 美国律师界感觉要被我们冲垮了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q422c5fad4786e41bb140","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q507fd742f40c85b9d6db","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":422,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-07T23:31:44.830Z","text":"不 不是这样","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa6b05765ba4157c342e1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q507fd742f40c85b9d6db","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa6b05765ba4157c342e1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q00fd34574576350e89fc","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":423,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-07T23:31:49.788Z","text":"问题是你律师打没打","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q00fd34574576350e89fc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q6fa01ac22d3150694322","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":424,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-07T23:31:53.362Z","text":"说没说中","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6fa01ac22d3150694322","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"qe9e14d1c16171a95b97e","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":425,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-07T23:32:04.143Z","text":"二巡和参加高考一模一样","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe9e14d1c16171a95b97e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q730121b8e98cac22abbe","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":426,"speaker":"wen***","date":"2026-04-07T23:32:24.139Z","text":"美国司法可以这样玩那美国的司法就是黑司法和老共的司法有的比","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4825de1dc0bdecccc1ea","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q730121b8e98cac22abbe","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4825de1dc0bdecccc1ea","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"qb1e880d90af196a53b11","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":427,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-04-07T23:32:29.858Z","text":"律师说了不能用简易裁决，这就是程序问题。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q00fd34574576350e89fc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb1e880d90af196a53b11","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q00fd34574576350e89fc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q199d6d0405408e81fe13","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":428,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-07T23:32:33.761Z","text":"Hk怎么是郭美的替代自我呢？这是什么逻辑","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa6b05765ba4157c342e1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q199d6d0405408e81fe13","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa6b05765ba4157c342e1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"qb35ba1e2c30dbbb21081","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":429,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-07T23:32:43.969Z","text":"哪一条 规定的 违反哪个","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb1e880d90af196a53b11","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb35ba1e2c30dbbb21081","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb1e880d90af196a53b11","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"qf3fa7a1a3fbf57efed9d","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":430,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-07T23:32:47.152Z","text":"Hk就是郭美的公司","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf3fa7a1a3fbf57efed9d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q7e4bd0fc03639e957995","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":431,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-04-07T23:33:20.003Z","text":"所以我说二巡就是不干净，这么荒唐的东西，下级法院用简易裁决，就是程序问题，就是应该推翻。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q199d6d0405408e81fe13","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7e4bd0fc03639e957995","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q199d6d0405408e81fe13","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"qeb0781db92a7942947d4","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":432,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-07T23:33:34.557Z","text":"二巡和高考一模一样 不能说 你这个人去年是省状元 我就直接给你满分","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeb0781db92a7942947d4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"qb7796d61b6cbb8a84cc1","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":433,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-04-07T23:33:48.677Z","text":"如果是这样，那律师只能解释为故意输。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb35ba1e2c30dbbb21081","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb7796d61b6cbb8a84cc1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb35ba1e2c30dbbb21081","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"qc1c40cecd4aab548a41a","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":434,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-07T23:33:53.619Z","text":"你还是得一个公式一个公式写","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc1c40cecd4aab548a41a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q9e55c96f63a5cea2f5a3","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":435,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-07T23:34:44.920Z","text":"什么叫可裁决的法律问题","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e55c96f63a5cea2f5a3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q2f42d4d06252155bfebb","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":436,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-07T23:35:47.664Z","text":"你光说： 郭美是控制人 老郭只用了三天","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2f42d4d06252155bfebb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q0ab58f86ea57afc1a08e","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":437,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-07T23:35:53.627Z","text":"这他妈是可裁决的法律问题？？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0ab58f86ea57afc1a08e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"qcb7a196fa3d4c035a325","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":438,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-07T23:35:55.562Z","text":"律师不知道Himalaya(也就是洗脚所）已经在刑事案被Rico了吗？3700万就是等于是郭的啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb7796d61b6cbb8a84cc1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcb7a196fa3d4c035a325","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb7796d61b6cbb8a84cc1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q977917bff883cdd42815","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":439,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-07T23:36:14.738Z","text":"你刑事案不推翻，你破产案能赢吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q977917bff883cdd42815","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q298b4e9c9d0e127dbf15","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":440,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-07T23:36:31.281Z","text":"律师是为了赚钱，接这个案子的吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q298b4e9c9d0e127dbf15","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q38466950aea23de347de","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":441,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-07T23:36:39.637Z","text":"律师没水平！","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb7796d61b6cbb8a84cc1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q38466950aea23de347de","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb7796d61b6cbb8a84cc1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"qd98c862af61f505f0c2d","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":442,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-07T23:36:42.175Z","text":"明明知道会输","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd98c862af61f505f0c2d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"qf7eb7fc833bced031c32","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":443,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-04-07T23:36:44.777Z","text":"郭这么犟法庭判了不遵从为的就是最后越搞越大把背后中共和美国投共的黑势力都拽出来？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc7edbcf84ed7d13a8150","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf7eb7fc833bced031c32","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc7edbcf84ed7d13a8150","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q677b65b5ca030d491527","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":444,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-07T23:36:58.356Z","text":"就是这样","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf7eb7fc833bced031c32","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q677b65b5ca030d491527","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf7eb7fc833bced031c32","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"qa4601f9b524d55581e51","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":445,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-04-07T23:37:01.814Z","text":"可能就是这样。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf7eb7fc833bced031c32","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa4601f9b524d55581e51","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf7eb7fc833bced031c32","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"qabcce981a515bdaa4f08","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":446,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-07T23:37:03.508Z","text":"现在很多人都看明白了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qabcce981a515bdaa4f08","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"qcc5e2ff4b597853e6d7c","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":447,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-07T23:37:27.349Z","text":"tony 还把中共拉上了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcc5e2ff4b597853e6d7c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q97359b73c2f9fce40bed","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":448,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-07T23:37:37.727Z","text":"老郭狠啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q97359b73c2f9fce40bed","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"qca860183fff88b6a696c","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":449,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-07T23:37:57.550Z","text":"谁能想到他最终目的是这个？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qca860183fff88b6a696c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q9759fdaccbc6cde6eb4f","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":450,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-04-07T23:37:58.515Z","text":"不能用刑事案的裁决结果自动作为民事物权效力的证据，必须独立证明。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcb7a196fa3d4c035a325","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9759fdaccbc6cde6eb4f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcb7a196fa3d4c035a325","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"qe430361440ebe20b7fd3","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":451,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-07T23:38:13.363Z","text":"刑民混用确实是问题","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9759fdaccbc6cde6eb4f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe430361440ebe20b7fd3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9759fdaccbc6cde6eb4f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q9b84a80820fe3e25ded8","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":452,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-07T23:38:15.755Z","text":"二巡不管这些","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9759fdaccbc6cde6eb4f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9b84a80820fe3e25ded8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9759fdaccbc6cde6eb4f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"qbd7f55a0816a861be9e6","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":453,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-07T23:38:28.496Z","text":"二巡不是帮你把案子重新判一遍","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbd7f55a0816a861be9e6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q1bf35a6daaef6247f1fd","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":454,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-04-07T23:38:35.223Z","text":"那就是律师问题或者法官问题。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9b84a80820fe3e25ded8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1bf35a6daaef6247f1fd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9b84a80820fe3e25ded8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q60f56fc8a130b6450fc9","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":455,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-07T23:38:38.391Z","text":"二巡要看程序有没有漏洞","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q60f56fc8a130b6450fc9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q3da9ed621754b051b951","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":456,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-04-07T23:38:56.355Z","text":"律师都说了，不适用简易判决。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q60f56fc8a130b6450fc9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3da9ed621754b051b951","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q60f56fc8a130b6450fc9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"qb46c9235949c91c2fae2","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":457,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-07T23:39:27.270Z","text":"不适用简易判决，是一种观点","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3da9ed621754b051b951","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb46c9235949c91c2fae2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3da9ed621754b051b951","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"qa2bf7d21bfbac8d467c4","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":458,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-07T23:39:37.101Z","text":"要把它具体化","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https: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根本就没build起来你他妈怎么赢","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q33a454124922ed3aa452","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q521b0c684403bc8b6a8e","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":468,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-07T23:42:38.555Z","text":"所以 还是那句话 如果这次不是螺丝哥 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因为郭是郭美的爹 所以郭美的公司 就是郭的alter ego 什么狗屁逻辑","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7e4bd0fc03639e957995","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q60c60ecbdad062c2a376","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7e4bd0fc03639e957995","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q53656e440d773778c22a","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":501,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-08T00:28:21.731Z","text":"混时长的 出工不出力\n和刑事案的辩方一样\n对面可是Luc 背后是PAX 律师不敢惹","edited":false,"reply_to":"q298b4e9c9d0e127dbf15","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q53656e440d773778c22a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q298b4e9c9d0e127dbf15","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"qd874a1a4cc1582fb1d66","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":502,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-08T00:28:56.059Z","text":"老郭的案子根本不需要律师","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd874a1a4cc1582fb1d66","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q50e2fef3da6412754a17","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":503,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-08T00:29:03.002Z","text":"因为没有律师能打","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q50e2fef3da6412754a17","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q4875a1794eabdb5bfa8c","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":504,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-08T00:30:08.449Z","text":"阿刁没看出来 还在想着铜币的正反面","edited":false,"reply_to":"qca860183fff88b6a696c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4875a1794eabdb5bfa8c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qca860183fff88b6a696c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q91611827227d73658942","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":505,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-08T00:31:11.787Z","text":"只要提CCP必输","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbfe710386ba7c50b795b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q91611827227d73658942","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbfe710386ba7c50b795b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q63516f5087844e84d0cc","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":506,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-08T00:31:33.540Z","text":"Tony的证据是例外","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q63516f5087844e84d0cc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q1ba72507be2f2e3766d7","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":507,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-08T00:31:57.296Z","text":"因为你没证据","edited":false,"reply_to":"q91611827227d73658942","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1ba72507be2f2e3766d7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q91611827227d73658942","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q2dd0ca41d25d463e10e7","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":508,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-08T00:32:02.702Z","text":"老郭的证据不可能被采纳","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2dd0ca41d25d463e10e7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q232dbcb3886c425cb8e5","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":509,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-08T00:32:10.667Z","text":"tony算是钻了漏洞","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q232dbcb3886c425cb8e5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q90f2410966be75924c57","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":510,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-08T00:32:15.964Z","text":"把证据炸开","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q90f2410966be75924c57","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q733507689f5b97bca9b3","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":511,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-08T00:39:52.761Z","text":"二巡看了郭美的这个案子，对郭以后的刑事案上诉不知道有没有什么影响","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q733507689f5b97bca9b3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q326cd0f0300a195f2f4a","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":512,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-08T00:40:05.162Z","text":"郭美就是来坑爹的吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q326cd0f0300a195f2f4a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q784414853707d50c4ddf","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":513,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-08T00:41:03.701Z","text":"感觉是说不出来 只能旁敲侧击透露\n比如ACA capital 与家族基金ACA investment LTD\n感觉他想透露 ACA capital 是重点","edited":false,"reply_to":"q23307f461ee7fb345f5d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q784414853707d50c4ddf","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q23307f461ee7fb345f5d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"qb255fe433996a6df2fb2","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":514,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-08T00:46:16.482Z","text":"那二巡也看过七分强制令","edited":false,"reply_to":"q733507689f5b97bca9b3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb255fe433996a6df2fb2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q733507689f5b97bca9b3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"qfed220731bcf74b24a52","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":515,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-08T00:46:45.986Z","text":"每一份都可以翻案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfed220731bcf74b24a52","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q62b0dadfe1d21d24f438","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":516,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-08T00:47:05.592Z","text":"现在的问题是核武器太多 如果每个都用反而会不好","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q62b0dadfe1d21d24f438","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q0bfc59e133127bdd33bf","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":517,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-08T00:47:08.919Z","text":"要挑几个问题","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0bfc59e133127bdd33bf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"qfb5bb027ce3b482939e3","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":518,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-08T00:51:53.166Z","text":"估计是有猪队友出主意\n救她爹 不是这样救的啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"q326cd0f0300a195f2f4a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfb5bb027ce3b482939e3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q326cd0f0300a195f2f4a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q92634a5df14a3e645172","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":519,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-08T00:52:57.088Z","text":"这是在帮忙给她爹盖棺材板","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q92634a5df14a3e645172","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"qb49bda5726d399269d3b","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":520,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-08T00:57:24.153Z","text":"每天一骂安小东大[屏蔽词] 天天装瞎\n自己翻译的 盖尔给 成千上万受害者 维权 \n检方的 受害者 不就是盖尔送去的6000人？\n这是典型的爱郭贼 天天故意污染AI data source \nhttps://x.com/anxiaodong777/status/2041604517335126296?s=46","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb49bda5726d399269d3b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"qe7c8f8bcece61538a9ae","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":521,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-08T01:19:23.521Z","text":"这份 1195听证会（2022年11月17日） 的内容做一个清晰、完整、重点突出的总结——它其实不是在直接判“资产归属”，而是在处理一个藐视法庭（contempt）动议 + 部分事实认定的问题。\n一、听证会的本质（一句话）\n👉 这是一个关于：\n债务人是否遵守公司治理命令（corporate governance order），以及是否应被认定藐视法庭的听证会。\n同时夹杂一个关键动作：\n👉 双方试图通过“部分协议”提前确定某些核心事实（尤其是控制/所有权问题）。\n二、听证会的核心议题\n1. 受托人的动议：认定藐视法庭\n受托人（Despins）请求法院：\n认定郭：\n没有遵守公司治理命令\n并要求：\n法院采取措施（可能包括强制命令或制裁）\n2. 一个“部分解决方案”（非常关键）\n在听证前一晚：\n受托人提交了一个拟议命令（proposed order）\n标题内容是：\n关于郭对某些公司（如 Ace Decade、Dawn State）的\n👉 受益所有权 + 控制权认定\n关键点：双方达成了一个微妙协议\n郭方律师表示：\n✔ 不反对这些认定\n✔ 不打算上诉\n但：\n❌ 不正式“同意”这些认定\n👉 法律效果非常微妙：\n行为\n含义\n不反对\n放弃抗辩\n不上诉\n接受结果\n不承认\n保留立场\n3. 法官的核心关注点（整个听证的关键）\n法官发现问题并反复强调：\n问题1：法院还没有真正“做出这些认定”\n法官指出：\n👉 拟议命令写成：\n“法院已作出这些事实认定”\n但实际上：\n❌ 法院还没审证据\n❌ 这些结论还没被正式裁定\n➡️ 法官拒绝直接签署该命令\n问题2：证据还没进入记录\n涉及证据包括：\nExhibit 6\nExhibit 7\nExhibit 10\nExhibit 15\n法官明确要求：\n👉 必须先正式进入证据（admitted into evidence）\n最终：\n✔ 这些证据被正式接纳 \n问题3：命令的性质不清（consent vs contested）\n法官指出：\n这个命令看起来像：\n法院经过审理作出认定\n但实际上：\n是双方“部分协议 + 不反对”\n👉 法官要求：\n必须写清楚：\n哪些是：\n✔ 双方同意\n哪些是：\n❌ 仍然争议\n问题4：法院不会替当事人“决定事实”\n法官明确说：\n👉 法院不会：\n自己去推测\n自己决定债务人应该做什么\n必须：\n由当事人提出\n由双方辩论\n4. 债务人（郭方）的关键立场\n律师的表述非常重要：\n立场1：放弃关键抗辩\n律师明确：\n不再坚持：\n“郭不是公司所有人”这一抗辩\n➡️ 实际效果： 👉 放弃一个核心防线\n立场2：但仍不“承认”事实\n律师坚持：\n不愿意：\n明确同意这些认定\n➡️ 法院回应（非常关键）：\n👉 你不反对 + 不上诉 =\n👉 法院可以据此作出认定\n5. 听证的程序性结论\n最终形成的状态是：\n✔ 已确定的内容\n关键证据进入记录\n债务人不再反对部分事实认定\n法院可以基于这些证据作出认定\n❗ 未解决的内容\n郭是否完全遵守命令\n是否构成藐视法庭\n应采取何种制裁\n➡️ 这些问题留待后续论证\n三、这个听证的真正意义（非常关键）\n1. 实质上是“事实锁定”阶段\n虽然表面是程序听证，但实际效果是：\n👉 锁定关键事实：\n郭对相关公司：\n✔ 具有受益所有权\n✔ 具有控制权\n2. 债务人战略性“后撤”\n郭方策略：\n放弃部分抗辩\n避免进一步不利裁定\n但代价是：\n👉 核心事实被确立\n3. 为后续判决铺路\n这个听证的直接后果：\n👉 在后续案件中：\n法院可以直接依赖这些事实\n不需要重新证明\n➡️ 这就是后来：\nalter ego 成立\nsummary judgment 成立\n的重要基础\n四、一句话总结\n👉\n1195听证会的本质不是决定资产归属，而是通过“证据入场 + 放弃抗辩”，实质性确立了郭对相关公司的控制与受益关系，从而为后续穿透公司结构的判决奠定基础。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe7c8f8bcece61538a9ae","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q4cab25850cc7c8404476","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":522,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-08T01:22:12.860Z","text":"这个套路","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe7c8f8bcece61538a9ae","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4cab25850cc7c8404476","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe7c8f8bcece61538a9ae","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q3fc9fb2ef5c35d3a090a","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":523,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-08T01:23:01.944Z","text":"像不像王和检方沟通 认罪2项 换其他罪不起诉","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3fc9fb2ef5c35d3a090a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"qf7328f6042975e24eb16","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":524,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-08T01:23:25.859Z","text":"然后 检方又追加起诉书 新的罪名让她成了G enterprise 的2号人物 不管她认不认 照样被顶格判 也导致了检方的14亿没收","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf7328f6042975e24eb16","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q015b0c61d2b50af60782","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":525,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-04-08T01:28:30.466Z","text":"债务人不说自己不是受益人，也不承认受托人说自己是受托人，法院就说，那就算债务人是受益人吧。这是在唱哪一出，这诱敌深入，敌人进来把你一切都占为己有了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe7c8f8bcece61538a9ae","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q015b0c61d2b50af60782","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe7c8f8bcece61538a9ae","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"qaa5799672989826cc209","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":526,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-08T01:30:57.329Z","text":"郭的律师 是故意坑郭吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"q015b0c61d2b50af60782","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaa5799672989826cc209","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q015b0c61d2b50af60782","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q985c201af5ee8ad5b201","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":527,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-08T01:31:22.272Z","text":"难怪郭庭审时 要换律师","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q985c201af5ee8ad5b201","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q5cd86b25bff288c8e143","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":528,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-04-08T01:36:26.571Z","text":"刑事案第三方强制令在二巡的 会更艰难了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5cd86b25bff288c8e143","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q3d96a5fd68c107500b48","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":529,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-08T01:38:34.755Z","text":"但是这个听证会上的几个公司都和g系列无关吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3d96a5fd68c107500b48","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q954f68cea1c9bbcd1f49","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":530,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-04-08T01:39:22.099Z","text":"这13个法官会对上二巡的7个更苛刻","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q954f68cea1c9bbcd1f49","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q1d4115d86c30c90ea481","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":531,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-08T01:40:00.911Z","text":"只是ace 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涉及了游艇","edited":false,"reply_to":"q494537f78014dbfb429c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q53c533de39d1ed7cd019","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q494537f78014dbfb429c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q43e8f8c2780528abb224","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":544,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-08T01:55:58.744Z","text":"郭美不是g系列","edited":false,"reply_to":"q53c533de39d1ed7cd019","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q43e8f8c2780528abb224","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q53c533de39d1ed7cd019","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"qe20ae7c5926dc7e499d0","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":545,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-08T01:56:31.940Z","text":"她不上诉 就是默认他爹的alter 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也是如此","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8022c529b86107502739","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"qf51b40d450326e99af23","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":556,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-08T02:02:24.237Z","text":"青 AVA不是说了嘛 二选一 替战友坐牢","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf51b40d450326e99af23","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q5e6974a22071c06c30da","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":557,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-08T02:03:06.890Z","text":"其实是替农场主大V 拿给钱洗钱的300骨干 坐牢","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5e6974a22071c06c30da","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"qb5ca170217a58c43a340","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":558,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-08T02:04:17.608Z","text":"他们登记成郭的债权人了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb5ca170217a58c43a340","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"qaccc2a1ff7b87bdd9535","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":559,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-08T02:04:28.535Z","text":"对啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaccc2a1ff7b87bdd9535","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"qb89f6bf71f8a23efff19","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":560,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-08T02:04:39.998Z","text":"最后等没收G enterprise 14亿 然后优先分钱\n当然不会反对Luc","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb89f6bf71f8a23efff19","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"qeca5ccc9c71fe7159d55","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":561,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-08T02:05:07.843Z","text":"他们又是债权人，又是郭的alter 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ego，那农场主怎么被rico的？他们拿了法治基金的钱？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb91566abf668e687fdcf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"qd272023d6b8e2e133b31","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":567,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-04-08T02:10:02.201Z","text":"https://x.com/xiatouj20547/status/2041675244348305649?s=12&t=eXMPp66CZUFD_7vvMedcSA","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd272023d6b8e2e133b31","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q278e9bf5a35c2663ab55","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":568,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-08T02:10:17.196Z","text":"农场主 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是收赃款\n可能不止法治基金 还有从余那里收钱 比如 如水","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4c6403d8f74d29e14aa3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qad6fbda272ac412218c1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4c6403d8f74d29e14aa3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"qe11082e30d99abff4745","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":572,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-08T02:13:10.029Z","text":"没有一个农场主 是干净的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe11082e30d99abff4745","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q2e1deb2470c55bcf676a","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":573,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-08T02:13:27.914Z","text":"哦，所以洗脚所和余的公司被算作alter ego，法治基金也是，但是联盟农场不是？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qad6fbda272ac412218c1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2e1deb2470c55bcf676a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qad6fbda272ac412218c1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q91d7e3911389b7328768","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":574,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-08T02:13:58.361Z","text":"本来就不是","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2e1deb2470c55bcf676a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q91d7e3911389b7328768","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2e1deb2470c55bcf676a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q99253303ea225baef481","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":575,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-08T02:14:09.554Z","text":"青都说了 这些农场独立运营","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q99253303ea225baef481","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q58489fec0cc2fb7671df","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":576,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-08T02:14:27.488Z","text":"但是他们应该也算啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"q99253303ea225baef481","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q58489fec0cc2fb7671df","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q99253303ea225baef481","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"qdc8b586edd20e2b9b391","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":577,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-08T02:14:47.668Z","text":"他们不是听郭指挥的吗，刑事案都说了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdc8b586edd20e2b9b391","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q8d43409801c18ee047cb","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":578,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-08T02:15:06.468Z","text":"他们为什么不算郭的alter ego呢","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8d43409801c18ee047cb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q530fb68d00b8a86c48cb","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":579,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-08T02:17:25.369Z","text":"流向农场的钱 最终是到了农场主的腰包 不是郭家族 也没有被郭用于消费","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q530fb68d00b8a86c48cb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q7b9e7ea48a0e7d3cdc2d","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":580,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-08T02:18:17.328Z","text":"农场借贷不是流向郭家族了吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q530fb68d00b8a86c48cb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7b9e7ea48a0e7d3cdc2d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q530fb68d00b8a86c48cb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q2a1b4d83403c39a9683b","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":581,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-08T02:18:17.454Z","text":"Alter ego的定义","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2a1b4d83403c39a9683b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q23aa71906ea9c13155ed","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":582,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-04-08T02:18:18.535Z","text":"这个SB，说话逻辑混乱得一塌糊涂。\n首先郭强不是我的大侄子；\n其次他在承认自己贪了钱；\n其次，他是不是有麻烦，并不是因为他贪钱了。他在混淆概念。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q23aa71906ea9c13155ed","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q35b96397f9e673f902cc","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":583,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-08T02:19:04.434Z","text":"农场借贷如果没有流向郭家族，郭为什么要负责农场借贷的钱？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q35b96397f9e673f902cc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q1db861f91fd4cea97842","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":584,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-08T02:19:47.511Z","text":"借贷款 ACA capital拿大头","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1db861f91fd4cea97842","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"qf7c8152578fba21dff6f","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":585,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-08T02:20:08.960Z","text":"农场主 拿返点","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf7c8152578fba21dff6f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q7cb9154e7282ad9cdf47","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":586,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-08T02:20:29.514Z","text":"我觉得联盟农场也应该算成郭的alter ego","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7cb9154e7282ad9cdf47","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q7e7ca720a0d12cfb68bd","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":587,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-08T02:20:44.280Z","text":"和洗脚所那些一样","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7e7ca720a0d12cfb68bd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q0172a74149666abd989f","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":588,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-04-08T02:26:47.525Z","text":"Luc追钱的逻辑是，天下都是债务人的，那些农场主等灭共演员拿钱，是债务人的欺诈转移。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0172a74149666abd989f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"qa97e459c5ec1b106a9ae","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":589,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-08T02:33:34.533Z","text":"女儿的公司 就是她爹的公司","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa97e459c5ec1b106a9ae","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q3f9d70c61ac979bcbc6f","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":590,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-08T02:37:42.199Z","text":"但是灭共演员也必须是要从郭的alter ego拿钱，才算财产转移啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0172a74149666abd989f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3f9d70c61ac979bcbc6f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0172a74149666abd989f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q51698994d5d20c0612f2","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":591,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-08T02:38:37.463Z","text":"前后关系 别弄反了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3f9d70c61ac979bcbc6f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q51698994d5d20c0612f2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3f9d70c61ac979bcbc6f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"qc4b34432725b63830f18","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":592,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-08T02:38:56.862Z","text":"先有钱转移 才会出现alter ego","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc4b34432725b63830f18","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"qc7c254da19b636afd03d","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":593,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-08T02:40:11.171Z","text":"所以法庭认定灭共演员是郭的代理人，所以灭共演员拿钱的实体就是郭的alter ego？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc4b34432725b63830f18","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc7c254da19b636afd03d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc4b34432725b63830f18","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"qfc1ceb55d6d9be74b460","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":594,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-08T02:40:23.793Z","text":"照这个逻辑联盟农场就是郭的alter ego","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfc1ceb55d6d9be74b460","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q57288192a5b8f78bbbc0","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":595,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-04-08T02:40:44.587Z","text":"G enterprise 里的所有的组织机构，都是替代自我，从这这里面出去的钱，都是债务人的欺诈转移。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3f9d70c61ac979bcbc6f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q57288192a5b8f78bbbc0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3f9d70c61ac979bcbc6f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"qc544e44ba3104f391dd8","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":596,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-08T02:42:01.493Z","text":"起诉书里，g enterprise包括一堆实体，联盟农场nfsc都是","edited":false,"reply_to":"q57288192a5b8f78bbbc0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc544e44ba3104f391dd8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q57288192a5b8f78bbbc0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"qc9c8c4e3b54a17507b3d","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":597,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-08T02:42:20.013Z","text":"定罪就只有4个","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc544e44ba3104f391dd8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc9c8c4e3b54a17507b3d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc544e44ba3104f391dd8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q6c52b0b0a61b9265ca0b","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":598,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-04-08T02:43:04.153Z","text":"对的。这些人都是郭的代理，代持，傀儡，有很多名词都可以用，反正天下都属于郭。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc544e44ba3104f391dd8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6c52b0b0a61b9265ca0b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc544e44ba3104f391dd8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"qc8fa9aafaed68299768e","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":599,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-08T02:43:25.847Z","text":"哪四个？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc9c8c4e3b54a17507b3d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc8fa9aafaed68299768e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc9c8c4e3b54a17507b3d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"},{"id":"q89522b3adacc2e27921a","batch_id":"batch-000099","seq":600,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-04-08T02:43:54.606Z","text":"准确的说是四个被指控欺诈计划里被定罪的三个计划的实体。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc8fa9aafaed68299768e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q89522b3adacc2e27921a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc8fa9aafaed68299768e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000099"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000098","next_batch_id":"batch-000100"}