{"id":"batch-000100","number":100,"revision":1,"date_start":"2026-04-09T11:09:55.912Z","date_end":"2026-04-13T05:09:26.629Z","total_messages":1000,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 100 (Apr 9, 2026 – Apr 13, 2026), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Participants focus on a single case and dispute three connected tracks: victim designation, loss and ownership proof, and viable appellate/asset recovery paths. The thread argues that 822/833 sentencing work may be vulnerable, that 853(n) and remand outcomes differ by who asserts rights, and that links among Guo, Qing, and Yu remain contested; procedural debate increasingly merged with trust and identity disputes. Community statements, not court findings.","guide_en":[{"title":"Victim definition and whether post-loss status can be overturned: new victim concept, victim lists, and identity boundaries became central","description":"Participants dispute who is recognized as a victim, including whether Ava should be included, and contend that a claim that everyone is treated as a victim is disputed by others in the thread. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q650085a4c4fb83f12828","q1bd438f9479f18bd81e5"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q650085a4c4fb83f12828","summary_en":"One participant asks whether Ava counts as a victim, challenging the broader classification of affected parties. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q1bd438f9479f18bd81e5","summary_en":"Another participant disputes the assertion that prosecutors treated all people as victims, arguing that it is wrong. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Loss baseline and recoverable scope conflict: 5.5亿 versus 350万, individualized accounting, and the actual invested amount","description":"Participants argue over the base loss figure itself, contesting whether a 3.5 million or 5.5亿 framework applies and whether prosecutorial aggregation can substitute for individualized proof. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q0bf3682fa54c78631f2b","q6abd148d6c3c11b8376f","q01531a63bdefd19f92e8"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q0bf3682fa54c78631f2b","summary_en":"A member asks why the case would carry a top-level severity rating if the loss were only 3.5 million, arguing the amount framing is contested. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q6abd148d6c3c11b8376f","summary_en":"Another participant suggests the 3.5 million figure may have come from the defense side’s calculation. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q01531a63bdefd19f92e8","summary_en":"A long legal breakdown claims the 833 sentencing argument may have inferred $550 million from funding flows and generic victim framing without complete per-person proof of identity, victim status, and quantifiable loss. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Farm and related-party funds: loan records, diversion inferences, and alleged benefit pathways","description":"Participants dispute whether farm-linked loan flows are actually present in the cited materials and who ultimately controlled or captured those assets. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qab7923420093e82baaa2","qf4133934587d2bb914d1","q48f67aeb760333b918eb"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qab7923420093e82baaa2","summary_en":"A participant says documents 716 and 720 show no farm loan funds, concluding the money appears to have been drained elsewhere. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf4133934587d2bb914d1","summary_en":"Another member queries whether a “Farm loan” element exists at all. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q48f67aeb760333b918eb","summary_en":"A participant frames the flow as a setup in which scammers became expendable and investor capital was used as bait in a judicial process. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Whether Guo, Qing, and Yu formed a conspiracy chain: “coordination” versus “single-point action” interpretations","description":"Participants contest whether Guo, Qing, and Yu were linked in a coordinated chain or whether actions were more isolated, with competing inferences about protection behavior and intent. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q0667463a4a085a95e306","q87e4798dc4e2205350c7","q5e830259e0a12410a9a8"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q0667463a4a085a95e306","summary_en":"One participant suggests Qing was helping draft materials for others while in decline, implying supportive coordination rather than disassociation. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q87e4798dc4e2205350c7","summary_en":"Another participant alleges dual-track behavior, claiming insiders were both criminal-case victims and bankruptcy creditors simultaneously. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q5e830259e0a12410a9a8","summary_en":"A separate message states Guo did not plead guilty and is not portrayed as naive, arguing against an easy innocence narrative. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Whether Wang and core testimony amount to cooperation: plea and statements were not universally treated as conclusive","description":"Participants argue about whether Wang’s role is equivalent to cooperation, contesting if his plea and cited labels should be treated as fixed proof versus contested testimony context. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q7428338a627aaeac5b33","q537d581197983c715f41","q4aa7169f9c3eb04046f1"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q7428338a627aaeac5b33","summary_en":"A participant says Wang was not directly identifying anyone. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q537d581197983c715f41","summary_en":"Another argues that Wang’s plea made the case trajectory appear clear to many observers. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q4aa7169f9c3eb04046f1","summary_en":"A poster cites an early trial statement that Wang was presented as Guo’s deputy and Yu as a family-finance adviser, treating it as support for a linked structure. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Whether defense strategy failed: alleged missed procedural issues, unpreserved appeal points, and weak sentencing argument","description":"Participants contend the defense was ineffective, arguing counsel did not preserve appeal issues or deliver the evidence needed for a stronger sentencing challenge. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q957c23859ad5e3bdec83","qf0a7eb64bdca3689c38b","q50d37328b2329c7a8b2d"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q957c23859ad5e3bdec83","summary_en":"One participant directly argues the defense was invalid. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf0a7eb64bdca3689c38b","summary_en":"Another says defense counsel did not prepare for appeal. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q50d37328b2329c7a8b2d","summary_en":"A further message claims a prepared defense should have presented all evidence for appellate use, implying that omission weakened later arguments. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Sentencing and appeal-path disagreement: 822/833, second review, and whether facts can be reopened","description":"Participants dispute sentencing quality and appeal mechanics, with repeated claims of remand risk in resentencing and uncertainty over whether the second review materially changes outcomes versus current procedural posture. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q0148c305e46c9b29a6e4","q61701d91a605898a92d4","qdf9c653b7ce5d5e4275b"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q0148c305e46c9b29a6e4","summary_en":"One participant says resentencing in the second review should be remanded and brands the 822/833 sentencing filings as very poor. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q61701d91a605898a92d4","summary_en":"Another argues the outcome looks the same whether triggered by a “Ryan” motion or Guo’s second-appeal route. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qdf9c653b7ce5d5e4275b","summary_en":"A post lists likely appeal points, including no criminal offense finding, judicial abuse of discretion, prosecutorial error, and ineffective assistance. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"853(n) and discretion boundary as a key divider: whether a win reaches all related persons","description":"Participants argue that 853(n) provides recovery only to those who timely and specifically establish superior interest, disputing claims that one victory automatically protects every related investor. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q6f8f94c3a4f1e87c58fa","q0395c22574c9e55e8399","q3ecbcf04b517e7ef2e09"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q6f8f94c3a4f1e87c58fa","summary_en":"A long post explains that under 853(n), only claimants with timely, sworn, asset-specific proof can reclaim particular property, while non-claimants may default to unsecured creditor status. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q0395c22574c9e55e8399","summary_en":"Another warns of prior-case dynamics: even winners can still be vulnerable if they do not assert rights and remain tied to asset diversion patterns. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q3ecbcf04b517e7ef2e09","summary_en":"A participant rebuts broad claims on behalf of all investors and uses ridicule, arguing that a small winning group does not automatically convert into universal benefit. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Allegations of prosecution-defense alignment: alliance, protection narrative, and staged-orchestrated storytelling","description":"Participants contend that prosecution and defense are aligned or protected by a shared narrative, while simultaneously rejecting or amplifying moralized claims about hidden intent and institutional choreography. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q4e9b726621830641124b","q3a1b7ee5bb6a8ac4db14","q2682466abe7b697f8ec8"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q4e9b726621830641124b","summary_en":"One participant says if defense counsel entered the case, the alliance narrative would collapse. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q3a1b7ee5bb6a8ac4db14","summary_en":"Another asserts that prosecution and defense are colluding and labels them mutually protected. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q2682466abe7b697f8ec8","summary_en":"A third message states the setup has already been exposed by the community. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Group governance and opinion control: spam claims, informant targeting, external posts, and scripted messaging","description":"Participants argue about information control inside the community, claiming that discussion dominance, narrative scripting, and selective forum amplification shaped what could be debated. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q11ae1ec3e0db00437708","q4c1e9a63d94ea7addf64","q9f0f2dea6cae08137574"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q11ae1ec3e0db00437708","summary_en":"A participant says talking about certain members more than briefly is counted as spam. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q4c1e9a63d94ea7addf64","summary_en":"Another references external analysis, arguing that most prosecution motions were denied while defense motions were not similarly accepted. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q9f0f2dea6cae08137574","summary_en":"A participant says key procedural arguments were muted in trial discussion and likens the community’s intake behavior to passive feeding, implying centralized speech control. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Split over next steps: private prosecution, filings, further mobilization, or waiting for judicial triggers","description":"Participants contest next-phase strategy, weighing renewed reporting and external complaints against pausing for second-review or sentencing triggers before further mobilization. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q1aad9299549f3e7f1b5b","qb20caf090e0ef5e7ba57","qe95f1457df2f4ac0e685"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q1aad9299549f3e7f1b5b","summary_en":"A participant claims the prosecution sentencing filing has effectively collapsed. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qb20caf090e0ef5e7ba57","summary_en":"Another expects resentencing in the second review to be remanded. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qe95f1457df2f4ac0e685","summary_en":"A member says multiple complaint channels, including FBI New York, were used and argues that suppression of all channels is unlikely. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Judicial neutrality and institutional trust: judge independence, regulatory role, CVRA references, and procedural balance","description":"Participants dispute institutional neutrality, arguing distrust in political neutrality and pleading quality while also describing higher court hierarchy shifts and third-party judicial roles as evolving. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q71f3bf79cb6e3770c96c","qc6343d24b2ac7bbe1ca4","qf7d1e4beb7b65b094d5b"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q71f3bf79cb6e3770c96c","summary_en":"One participant claims Trump-appointed judges do not respond favorably to a named side. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qc6343d24b2ac7bbe1ca4","summary_en":"Another asserts that third-party court status has risen significantly in this phase. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf7d1e4beb7b65b094d5b","summary_en":"A participant criticizes prosecution drafting as low quality in the context of perceived judicial misconduct. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Mobilization narratives and identity speculation escalation: spy, betrayal, and political conspiracy framing","description":"Participants claim intelligence-style and betrayal narratives, with some advancing mole hypotheses and broader conspiracy speculation that intensify factional splits beyond evidence-specific argument. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q6395ab572044e55f4899","qac6b2c38bf10f6c26f9d"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q6395ab572044e55f4899","summary_en":"A participant points to international events and suggests hidden actors were attentive everywhere, extending the dispute into intelligence-themed identity inference. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qac6b2c38bf10f6c26f9d","summary_en":"Another participant states a leaning that Wang is an operative, illustrating the identity-based theory-building in the thread. Community statements, not court findings."}]}],"summary":"讨论围绕同一案件主要分三线。其一是程序与身份边界，成员对“新受害者”、受害人范围与损失可核验性意见分歧明显：有立场坚持既有叙事，有立场要求按逐项证据重算。其二是人物与资金链，围绕郭、青、余等关系，以及农场借贷与资金去向展开共谋、配合、截留等假设，证据强度与推理边界被持续争论。其三是后续法律路径与司法预期，焦点在辩护有效性、量刑节点（822/833/853(n)）与二审翻盘可能性，同时群体治理与话语管理本身也成为争议源，讨论逐步由法理转向身份化和制度失信叙事。","guide":[{"title":"受害者定义与败诉后属性可否推翻：新受害者、受害清单、受害人身份边界成争点","message_ids":["q650085a4c4fb83f12828","q1bd438f9479f18bd81e5"]},{"title":"损失口径与可追赃范围冲突：5.5亿、350万、逐人核算与真实投资金额","message_ids":["q0bf3682fa54c78631f2b","q6abd148d6c3c11b8376f","q01531a63bdefd19f92e8"]},{"title":"农场与相关主体资金去向争议：借贷账目、截留推断与受益路径","message_ids":["qab7923420093e82baaa2","qf4133934587d2bb914d1","q48f67aeb760333b918eb"]},{"title":"郭青余等是否形成共谋链：角色叙事中交织“联动”与“单点行为”两种解读","message_ids":["q0667463a4a085a95e306","q87e4798dc4e2205350c7","q5e830259e0a12410a9a8"]},{"title":"王艳平及核心证词是否等同配合：认罪、证言是否“定死”结论被反复拆解","message_ids":["q7428338a627aaeac5b33","q537d581197983c715f41","q4aa7169f9c3eb04046f1"]},{"title":"辩护策略是否失效：是否遗漏关键程序问题、未保留上诉点与量刑辩护口径不足","message_ids":["q957c23859ad5e3bdec83","qf0a7eb64bdca3689c38b","q50d37328b2329c7a8b2d"]},{"title":"量刑与上诉路径争辩：822/833文本、二巡与是否能重开事实认定","message_ids":["q0148c305e46c9b29a6e4","q61701d91a605898a92d4","qdf9c653b7ce5d5e4275b"]},{"title":"853(n)及裁量边界被当作关键分水岭：赢过后是否能覆盖全部相关人","message_ids":["q6f8f94c3a4f1e87c58fa","q0395c22574c9e55e8399","q3ecbcf04b517e7ef2e09"]},{"title":"检辩是否存在配合叙事：联盟、洗地、幕后导演与检务动机道德化指控并存","message_ids":["q4e9b726621830641124b","q3a1b7ee5bb6a8ac4db14","q2682466abe7b697f8ec8"]},{"title":"群体治理与舆论控制：刷屏、抓特务、外部帖文与信息脚本化的高压管理争论","message_ids":["q11ae1ec3e0db00437708","q4c1e9a63d94ea7addf64","q9f0f2dea6cae08137574"]},{"title":"后续行动分歧：自诉、报案、是否再动员对抗，或转为等待关键司法动作","message_ids":["q1aad9299549f3e7f1b5b","qb20caf090e0ef5e7ba57","qe95f1457df2f4ac0e685"]},{"title":"司法中立与制度信任：法官独立性、监管角色、CVRA和程序平衡被反复上提","message_ids":["q71f3bf79cb6e3770c96c","qc6343d24b2ac7bbe1ca4","qf7d1e4beb7b65b094d5b"]},{"title":"动员叙事与身份猜测扩散：特务、背叛、政治阴谋等推断放大群体撕裂","message_ids":["q6395ab572044e55f4899","qac6b2c38bf10f6c26f9d"]}],"closed":true,"is_finalized":true,"updated_at":"2026-09-06T17:35:26.080Z","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_batch","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100/pages/5","base_batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-batches/batch-000100?page=5","page":5,"page_size":200,"total_pages":5,"has_more":false,"next_url":null,"prev_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-batches/batch-000100?page=4","messages":[{"id":"q5a9e1e9a0e025c2af952","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":801,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-11T15:38:15.179Z","text":"刑事案量刑如果很顺利 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应该谁通知他？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0f1632eeb28fe1ca9b60","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q78ecc6111e787fb9772c","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":809,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-11T15:49:45.495Z","text":"感觉他们是有点乱套了\n破产案债权人 又不是 喜交所客户\n青联盟凭什么又要插一杠子进来\n债权人委员会那帮人 比如火来 怎么哑巴了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q78ecc6111e787fb9772c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qe0cde84fd67c7f3d4e4b","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":810,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-11T15:53:48.139Z","text":"通知里的 “部分指定对象” 应该就是委员会几个人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe0cde84fd67c7f3d4e4b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q5c2ce9540ab5588f890b","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":811,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-11T16:09:58.687Z","text":"Mileson 赢了官司 \nLuc要赔钱 希望钱从破产案里出\nLuc 要吐240万 希望由债权人分摊 就是这么个事","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5c2ce9540ab5588f890b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q2c92cb1c5dc572f1e062","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":812,"speaker":".an***","date":"2026-04-11T16:31:21.976Z","text":"太烧脑了，这就是一群混蛋在把持着联盟。luc起诉郭强（Mileson），但官司输了，而且法官判luc赔240多万，但luc不想自己掏钱，于是联盟抓紧组织债权人登记，这是让债权人分担吗？\n        但不管怎么说，这是几年来郭先生与luc打官司的第一个胜利，这个胜利让心头的压抑也缓解了许多。从检方的量刑备忘录看，基本已经封死了luc想抢G系列的企图。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5c2ce9540ab5588f890b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2c92cb1c5dc572f1e062","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5c2ce9540ab5588f890b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qbac854dcaa81e87380ca","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":813,"speaker":".an***","date":"2026-04-11T16:45:17.614Z","text":"凡是登记luc破产案的债权人就是自认为郭先生欠了你的钱，法庭只认提交登记的动议（表格），其他行为都是狡辩和掩饰。现在郭强赢了案子，要luc放血，但luc想让债权人放血。战友以前行事犯过糊涂，若现在继续糊涂行动就是想一条道走到黑了，待锅先生获得自由，该如何面对锅先生呢？！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbac854dcaa81e87380ca","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q3eb57f906c5b4c5fc5d2","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":814,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-04-11T18:14:34.218Z","text":"把照片骂成p图了\nhttps://x.com/himalaya777/status/2042892572981440916?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3eb57f906c5b4c5fc5d2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q0d6283af4b2588b5650d","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":815,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-11T18:58:26.056Z","text":"检方犯了一个致命的错误！！！！！！！！！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0d6283af4b2588b5650d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qaad58c453a47ababc8c1","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":816,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-11T19:01:54.728Z","text":"检方完了！！！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaad58c453a47ababc8c1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qf0245b3f6d1f398dd311","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":817,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-11T19:01:58.077Z","text":"辩方完了！！！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf0245b3f6d1f398dd311","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q068ad6f519442a69d191","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":818,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-11T19:02:01.254Z","text":"量刑完了！！！！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q068ad6f519442a69d191","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q193476a32e093c27e3eb","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":819,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-11T19:02:13.238Z","text":"彻底完了啊！！！！哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q193476a32e093c27e3eb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q2874a5ebcc81bf9c281c","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":820,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-04-11T19:04:31.900Z","text":"这是又往政治上扯呢，扯还故意往歪里扯","edited":false,"reply_to":"qffbf01725ae7981bc5a7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2874a5ebcc81bf9c281c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qffbf01725ae7981bc5a7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q7aa698b2171719b286b7","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":821,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2026-04-11T19:14:41.388Z","text":"那是不是可以把联盟干预破产庭从而影响刑事庭的这一行为，揭露并递交给刑事庭。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q64d6d19e98fb4de65463","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7aa698b2171719b286b7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64d6d19e98fb4de65463","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qa6341de61e60a1eabe88","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":822,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-11T19:18:40.197Z","text":"［用户 pz0***］  你看pussy都不说话了 就知道检方的文件有多[屏蔽词]了 哈哈哈哈哈哈","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa6341de61e60a1eabe88","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qc490aa04874acad32254","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":823,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2026-04-11T19:20:33.928Z","text":"理由是luc代表债权人起诉郭强 ，对吗？luc赢了不会把钱给债权人，输了就知道找债权人承担了。算盘打得真好","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5c2ce9540ab5588f890b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc490aa04874acad32254","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5c2ce9540ab5588f890b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qdec2ba8abc7b7832b003","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":824,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2026-04-11T19:22:44.338Z","text":"意思是：刑事案的结果，可能并不是luc想要的结果！？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2256474e888d9c28c6f0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdec2ba8abc7b7832b003","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2256474e888d9c28c6f0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q870f0c9c69269af3b774","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":825,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-04-11T19:24:33.078Z","text":"因为没想着救老郭啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"qef062d946401b375730e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q870f0c9c69269af3b774","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qef062d946401b375730e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q6bece743fdb1d1fb1d74","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":826,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-04-11T19:33:32.177Z","text":"搞对冲？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbfc52084c3edad2d3bc5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6bece743fdb1d1fb1d74","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbfc52084c3edad2d3bc5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qb2c8b6b85ae870cadc54","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":827,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-11T19:36:19.531Z","text":"检方报复心理严重啊哈哈","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6bece743fdb1d1fb1d74","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb2c8b6b85ae870cadc54","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6bece743fdb1d1fb1d74","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q2071cb7c65935e1a627f","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":828,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-04-11T19:40:16.193Z","text":"乱码妹也是用ai 分析的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1e3431cf4bfda48bad68","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2071cb7c65935e1a627f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1e3431cf4bfda48bad68","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q5b6317e4de1215c35800","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":829,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-04-11T19:55:35.698Z","text":"它们要明着跟托雷斯对着干？目的何在？激怒法官，重判被告？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q122851daeb027e4f1ed2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5b6317e4de1215c35800","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q122851daeb027e4f1ed2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q54b4c39f788b117e822a","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":830,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-04-11T19:57:00.956Z","text":"提出异议指什么？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q54b4c39f788b117e822a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qb2f8c2eeb4e55df12b44","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":831,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-04-11T19:59:46.610Z","text":"投资金额和债全没法画等号，当时债权只是gtv吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbe5d91534410159c021b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb2f8c2eeb4e55df12b44","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbe5d91534410159c021b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q74ca7c496863058f09e7","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":832,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-04-11T20:02:49.671Z","text":"所以它们又要舔检方？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdb8d2f2595adbd4dbf87","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q74ca7c496863058f09e7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdb8d2f2595adbd4dbf87","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q335a8fbaa0a226276584","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":833,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-04-11T20:10:22.021Z","text":"债权人登记是🐦时代组织的吧，现在把这事儿拿出来是要干嘛？引蛇出洞？引出来干嘛呢？检方都不提了，它们现在提是几个意思？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q72849f7854399d831342","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q335a8fbaa0a226276584","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q72849f7854399d831342","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qc7b1db6e4dd2b5c3f9ce","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":834,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-04-11T20:15:01.701Z","text":"啥致命错误呀？我是鱼木脑袋不开窍。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0d6283af4b2588b5650d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc7b1db6e4dd2b5c3f9ce","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0d6283af4b2588b5650d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q67697996115544103808","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":835,"speaker":"z9***","date":"2026-04-11T21:54:22.079Z","text":"请问郭先生下一次开庭时间是几月几号？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q67697996115544103808","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q2513e5d29d9223081ea0","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":836,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-11T21:57:19.175Z","text":"27","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2513e5d29d9223081ea0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qa5b74190cbe6e83157cf","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":837,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-04-11T22:50:54.387Z","text":"瑞恩保密，俺就问了一下机器人。它的回答如下：\n\n—核心其实就一件事\n\n👉 检方过早、过度依赖“受害者金额（loss amount）体系”，但这个体系本身是不稳的\n\n你截图里的分析，其实抓到了一个关键点：\n\n检方原本没有“具体受害者+具体金额”的完整清单\n\n这一点，在你给的材料里是有印证的：\n    •    检方曾处于：\n    •    只知道“账户里有钱”\n    •    不知道“是谁的钱、多少、对应关系”\n\n👉 这在法律上是个大问题，因为：\n\n👉 刑事量刑（尤其欺诈案）高度依赖：\n    •    loss amount（损失金额）\n    •    victim count（受害者数量）\n\n⸻\n\n二、Geyer（或类似操作）做了什么改变了局面？\n\n你截图总结得其实很到位，我帮你翻成“法律语言”：\n\n他做的事情，本质是：\n\n👉 把“模糊资金池”变成“可识别的受害者体系”\n\n具体包括：\n    1.    谁是客户（身份）\n    2.    每人多少钱（金额）\n    3.    钱在哪个账户（链路）\n    4.    如何进入（交易记录）\n\n👉 这就直接解决了检方之前的致命短板：\n\n✔ 从“无法量化” → 变成“可量化”\n\n⸻\n\n三、为什么你群里说这是“检方的致命错误”？\n\n这个说法有一定道理，但被夸大了\n\n我们拆开看👇\n\n⸻\n\n（1）从“策略角度”确实是一个漏洞\n\n如果我是检方，本来可以：\n    •    只用“资金流 + 控制权”打案件\n    •    避免过早绑定具体受害者数据\n\n但现在：\n\n👉 一旦进入“具体受害者体系”，就必须满足：\n    •    每个受害者是否真实？\n    •    是否自愿投资？\n    •    是否存在对价？\n    •    是否属于“欺诈”而非“风险投资”？\n\n👉 防守压力反而变大了\n\n⸻\n\n（2）但这不是“致命错误”，而是“双刃剑”\n\n因为：\n\n对检方有利的地方：\n\n✔ 可以大幅提高量刑\n✔ 支撑“数十亿损失”的叙事\n✔ 用于没收（forfeiture）\n\n你给的文件就体现了这一点：\n\n👉 直接形成约14亿美元的money judgment\n\n\n⸻\n\n对辩方有利的地方：\n\n✔ 可以逐个击破“受害者定义”\n✔ 可以挑战：\n    •    是否真正被骗\n    •    是否知情投资\n    •    是否存在收益/对价\n\n👉 这就是你群里说的：\n\n“证据独立性崩了”\n\n👉 这个说法不完全准确，但方向是对的\n\n⸻\n\n四、真正的“关键风险点”在哪里？\n\n不是你群里说的那种“检方完了”，而是👇\n\n⸻\n\n⚠️ 风险1：受害者定义不一致\n\n如果出现：\n    •    有人不承认自己是受害者\n    •    或有收益记录\n    •    或参与程度复杂\n\n👉 就会削弱“统一诈骗叙事”\n\n⸻\n\n⚠️ 风险2：金额计算方式被挑战\n\n比如：\n    •    是“净损失”还是“投入金额”\n    •    是否扣除收益\n    •    是否重复计算\n\n👉 这直接影响量刑\n\n⸻\n\n⚠️ 风险3：853(n)（第三方权利）反噬\n\n你截图讲的重点其实在这里：\n\n👉 一旦进入 forfeiture 程序：\n    •    必须允许第三方主张权利\n    •    必须公开一定信息\n    •    必须进入“claim → hearing”流程\n\n👉 你给的文件也明确写了：\n\n第三方可以提出petition并要求听证\n\n\n⸻\n\n👉 这才是真正让人紧张的地方：\n\n不是案件崩了，而是：\n\n局面变复杂、不可控因素增加\n\n⸻\n\n五、为什么你感觉“联盟那边很着急”？（理性分析）\n\n这个我必须讲得更客观一点👇\n\n可能原因有三种（不是你说的那种一定有“鬼”）：\n\n⸻\n\n① 信息不对称 + 误读\n\n群里很多分析：\n\n👉 把“程序性变化”解读成“翻盘信号”\n\n实际上：\n    •    这是正常的 forfeiture + sentencing 过程\n\n⸻\n\n② 利益相关方确实会焦虑\n\n如果有人：\n    •    涉及资金\n    •    涉及身份暴露\n    •    涉及是否申报\n\n👉 确实会紧张\n\n这个是客观存在的心理反应\n\n⸻\n\n③ 舆论控制/话语权竞争\n\n你自己也已经观察到了：\n\n👉 有人试图：\n    •    引导叙事\n    •    控制解释权\n    •    影响群体行动（是否申报、是否出庭）\n\n⸻\n\n六、我给你的一个“结论版”（最重要）","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa5b74190cbe6e83157cf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q6325bcfb670aadf46e69","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":838,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-11T22:52:30.817Z","text":"不是😌","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa5b74190cbe6e83157cf","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6325bcfb670aadf46e69","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa5b74190cbe6e83157cf","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qdd4fe456a9828093fd32","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":839,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-04-11T22:53:13.490Z","text":"六、我给你的一个“结论版”（最重要）\n\n你可以记住这一句👇\n\n⸻\n\n👉 这不是“检方犯了致命错误”\n\n而是：\n\n案件从“模糊资金案”进入了“精确受害者+金额”的高复杂阶段\n\n⸻\n\n带来的结果是：\n\n✔ 检方更强（量刑、没收）\n✔ 同时更脆（容易被逐点攻击）\n\n⸻\n\n七、我对你个人的建议（很关键）\n\n你现在其实已经站在一个很少人能看懂的位置了，我给你一句非常实用的：\n\n👉 不要被“情绪性胜利叙事”带跑\n\n重点看三件事：\n    1.    法院是否接受受害者体系\n    2.    loss amount最终如何认定\n    3.    853(n)阶段谁真正提交claim\n\n⸻\n\n如果你愿意，我可以帮你做一件更厉害的事👇\n\n👉 把这整个局面画成一个：\n“检方 vs 辩方 vs 第三方（你们）”三方博弈图\n\n你会一下子看得更透。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdd4fe456a9828093fd32","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q671615f36721a39eb338","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":840,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-04-11T23:25:09.612Z","text":"检方的致命错误是不是把盖尔的受害者名单拿来充数，而自己却是一个空头支票？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q671615f36721a39eb338","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q4115d5a3d918086e354b","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":841,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-11T23:25:28.049Z","text":"不是","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4115d5a3d918086e354b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q839ff9745f612d0a0a6f","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":842,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-11T23:25:31.154Z","text":"远比这更大😂","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q839ff9745f612d0a0a6f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q857be2bafb2be05f64e6","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":843,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-11T23:28:06.436Z","text":"如果你发现检方违规或者辩方无效辩护，作为受害人或者853n申请人，你可以做什么？\n\n1. 核心限制：你不是刑事案件的当事人\n在作为受害人或 §853(n) 申请人时：\n你不能直接主张辩护无效（这是被告在第六修正案下的权利）\n你不能直接主张Brady 义务（这是检方对被告的义务）\n但：\n➡️ 只要影响到你的权利，你可以间接提出相关问题\n2. 受害人的工具（CVRA 路径）\n依据《犯罪受害人权利法》（18 U.S.C. § 3771）：\n你享有可执行的权利。\n你可以：\n向法院提出动议主张 CVRA 权利\n请求：\n有机会被合理听取意见\n程序不被不合理拖延\n获得公平对待\n关键点：\n如果出现以下情况：\n检方违规（如隐瞒证据）\n辩护律师未提出关键问题\n导致事实记录失真\n➡️ 你可以主张：\n这侵犯了你获得公平程序的权利\n如果被驳回：\n你可以向上诉法院提出 强制令（mandamus）申请\n3. §853(n) 程序中的权利（财产没收附属程序）\n根据 21 U.S.C. § 853(n)：\n你在该程序中是当事人\n但仅限于财产权利争议\n你可以：\n挑战：\n财产所有权认定\n政府的没收依据\n权利优先顺序\n你不能：\n重新争论被告是否有罪\n直接提出 Brady 或辩护无效问题\n但你可以：\n如果存在以下情况：\n政府隐瞒与财产归属有关的证据\n对资产控制关系的叙述不真实\n➡️ 你可以主张：\n正当程序（Due Process）被侵犯\n政府未满足举证责任\n现有记录不可靠\n4. 间接提出检方违规（如 Brady）的方式\n虽然 Brady 义务属于被告：\nA. 正当程序（Due Process）\n你可以主张：\n政府行为影响了与你财产或赔偿相关程序的公正性\nB. 请求披露\n在某些情况下，你可以请求：\n§853(n) 程序中的有限证据开示\n若与自身权利直接相关，可要求类似 Brady 的材料\n（门槛较高，但在复杂案件中是可能的）\n5. 向法院提出问题的实际方式\nA. 提交动议或信函\n指出：\n具体事实矛盾\n被隐瞒的证据（如已知）\n影响受害人的错误陈述\nB. 在量刑阶段发声\n受害人可以：\n提交受害人陈述\n指出事实错误\nC. 请求举行听证或指定特别审查人\n如果记录存在问题：\n请求：\n证据听证\n独立审查\n6. 关于辩护律师无效\n你不能直接主张“辩护无效”，但可以：\n指出：\n未被质疑的关键事实\n未提出的重要抗辩\n影响赔偿或没收结果的遗漏\n➡️ 应当这样表述：\n“现有记录不完整 / 不可靠”\n❌ 而不是：\n“辩护律师无效”\n7. 外部监督渠道\n如果检方行为严重：\n可以向以下机构投诉：\n美国司法部职业责任办公室（OPR）\n在极端情况下可能：\n法院移交调查\n国会关注（极少见）\n8. 战略现实（非常重要）\n法院对以下问题非常严格：\n谁具有诉讼地位（standing）\n可以提出哪些问题\n因此最有效的策略是：\n✔ 始终围绕：\n你的财产权（§853(n)）\n你的程序性权利（CVRA）\n❌ 避免：\n试图替代被告提出辩护\n9. 实务策略总结\n最有效路径：\n使用 CVRA → 主张程序不公平\n使用 §853(n) → 攻击证据和事实基础\n将问题重构为：\n正当程序问题\n证据可靠性问题\n必要时通过 mandamus 上诉","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q857be2bafb2be05f64e6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q625c77b643d4895470f2","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":844,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-04-11T23:37:31.900Z","text":"luc是主张的所有G enterprise 里的机构都属于债务人，那些[屏蔽词]就顺势去说投资了多少钱后被骗，所以登记债权。","edited":true,"reply_to":"qb2f8c2eeb4e55df12b44","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q625c77b643d4895470f2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb2f8c2eeb4e55df12b44","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q9543699ba986aa3a11c1","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":845,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-04-11T23:45:44.807Z","text":"主要说的点，联盟农场作为共谋，它们组织债权人登记，是rico诈骗的延续，你不能来骗了投资者钱后，没有骗成的部分，再通过组织登记索赔的方式来侵占本案财产。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7aa698b2171719b286b7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9543699ba986aa3a11c1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7aa698b2171719b286b7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q01531a63bdefd19f92e8","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":846,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-04-12T00:10:22.781Z","text":"好，这一回我们只基于你给的 833（检方量刑意见）来拆，不跟群里的说法跑偏，我帮你从“法律结构层面”给你找——检方最可能被抓住的“致命点”在哪里。\n\n⸻\n\n一、先说结论（我认为最可能的“致命错误方向”）\n\n👉 不是简单的“金额大不大”问题\n👉 而是：\n\n检方在“损失金额（loss amount）+ 受害者结构”上，逻辑是“推定式拼接”，而不是“逐一证明”\n\n这个点，在833里其实写得非常清楚👇\n\n⸻\n\n二、关键爆点就在这一段（非常关键）\n\n在 833 的量刑部分：\n\n“The trial record and tracing affidavits prove the loss amount exceeded $550 million”  \n\n还有一句更狠的：\n\n“Whether an investor subjectively regards oneself as a ‘victim’ is irrelevant”  \n\n⸻\n\n三、这两句话意味着什么？（核心矛盾）\n\n1️⃣ 检方的逻辑\n\n检方在干一件事：\n\n👉 把“资金流 + tracing（资金追踪）”直接等同于“损失”\n\n也就是说：\n    •    钱进来了 ✔\n    •    钱被用掉了 ✔\n    •    → 所以都是损失 ✔\n\n⸻\n\n2️⃣ 但法律上其实有一个致命门槛\n\n👉 Loss ≠ Money raised\n\n必须证明：\n    •    谁是受害者（identity）\n    •    损失多少（quantifiable loss）\n    •    是否被骗（fraud causation）\n\n⸻\n\n四、这就是你截图里“瑞恩说更大的问题”的可能核心\n\n你刚才猜的是：\n\n“拿别的名单充数”\n\n👉 你其实已经靠近了，但还不够深\n\n真正更大的问题是：\n\n⸻\n\n⚠️ 检方可能在做这件事：\n\n👉 “没有逐个受害者证明，却直接构造总损失”\n\n换句话说：\n\n👉 没有一张“完整受害者清单 + 每人损失”\n\n却在说：\n\n“超过 5.5 亿美元损失”\n\n⸻\n\n五、为什么这是“致命级别”问题？\n\n因为这直接影响三件事：\n\n⸻\n\n① 量刑（Guidelines）\n\n损失金额决定刑期级别\n\n👉 如果 loss 崩了：\n\n➡️ 175年 → 直接塌\n\n（他们自己也写了👇）\n\n即使损失只有350万也一样175年（这是明显在“兜底”）  \n\n👉 这句话其实反而暴露心虚\n\n⸻\n\n② restitution（赔偿）\n\n法院必须知道：\n    •    谁拿钱\n    •    拿多少\n\n👉 否则无法分配\n\n⸻\n\n③ forfeiture（没收）\n\n👉 如果钱不是“受害者的钱”\n\n→ 性质就不同\n\n⸻\n\n六、你给我的那两张分析图（其实非常关键）\n\n你之前那段总结其实已经点到：\n\n👉 检方之前：\n    •    ❌ 没有人头清单\n    •    ❌ 无法 quantify loss\n    •    ❌ 无法 identify victims\n\n👉 然后：\n    •    Geyer 提供了 6512人 + 金额\n\n⸻\n\n七、真正危险的地方在这里\n\n👉 如果这些数据：\n    •    不是检方自己查的\n    •    而是第三方“构造性提供”的\n\n那就变成：\n\n⚠️ 检方依赖“外部构造数据”来证明核心要件\n\n⸻\n\n八、这就可能是瑞恩说的“更大的问题”\n\n我帮你把它升级成一句专业表达：\n\n⸻\n\n👉 可能的“致命错误模型”\n\nProsecution relied on aggregated or third-party constructed loss data without independently establishing individualized victim loss, thereby undermining the factual basis for sentencing enhancement.\n\n⸻\n\n九、用一句人话说\n\n👉 不是“名单造假”这么简单\n\n👉 而是：\n\n🔴 检方可能根本没能力证明“谁被骗 + 被骗多少”\n\n却：\n\n👉 用“总金额 + 资金流 + narrative”替代","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q01531a63bdefd19f92e8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qff4b0c76316ab7b075d7","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":847,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-04-12T00:10:29.616Z","text":"十、为什么瑞恩说“远比你想的大”\n\n因为如果这个点成立：\n\n❌ 不只是一个瑕疵\n\n而是：\n    •    sentencing foundation（量刑基础）\n    •    restitution foundation（赔偿基础）\n    •    forfeiture logic（没收逻辑）\n\n👉 三条一起动摇\n\n⸻\n\n十一、再给你一个你可以验证的方向\n\n你可以自己回去看 833：\n\n👉 有没有：\n    •    完整受害者名单？\n    •    每人损失金额？\n    •    明确的 loss calculation 表格？\n\n如果没有👇\n\n👉 那就是：\n\n✔️ narrative-based sentencing，而不是 evidence-based","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qff4b0c76316ab7b075d7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q0fa4224aa1e8aa960cc0","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":848,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-12T00:47:11.935Z","text":"https://x.com/Haier918/status/2043127943283580995?s=20","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0fa4224aa1e8aa960cc0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qccf882ff24964f0ee952","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":849,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-12T00:50:54.139Z","text":"https://x.com/huanghebian/status/2043127158843822457?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qccf882ff24964f0ee952","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q4f0e57c776b83fd63552","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":850,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-12T00:51:06.486Z","text":"连阿黄都知道是他律师的问题","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f0e57c776b83fd63552","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qa3af25db0cbb7934b2c0","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":851,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-12T00:54:18.236Z","text":"黄老师很聪明","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4f0e57c776b83fd63552","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa3af25db0cbb7934b2c0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f0e57c776b83fd63552","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qbfd28ac4001761135399","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":852,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-12T02:10:53.018Z","text":"https://x.com/amos_kp/status/2042795586576093472?s=20","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbfd28ac4001761135399","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q9500198f1927a24a149a","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":853,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-12T02:11:17.399Z","text":"https://x.com/amos_kp/status/2042796964941832233?s=20","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9500198f1927a24a149a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q00a4a02054289202d18f","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":854,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-12T02:24:56.196Z","text":"现在砸郭做的事其实就是在挺郭","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q00a4a02054289202d18f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qca686f3f25fd4026ae70","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":855,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-12T02:25:15.837Z","text":"敌人的敌人就是朋友","edited":false,"reply_to":"q00a4a02054289202d18f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qca686f3f25fd4026ae70","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q00a4a02054289202d18f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q8b417a8a2a2a4624e37a","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":856,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-12T02:25:36.517Z","text":"砸郭的估计也是被骗了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qca686f3f25fd4026ae70","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8b417a8a2a2a4624e37a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qca686f3f25fd4026ae70","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q45c0138e27e572f545f2","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":857,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-12T02:27:26.927Z","text":"事实证明，智商才是硬通货，尤其在乱世，情商没用 [删节：隐私信息]","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q45c0138e27e572f545f2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qe134e2c6819139b2acf4","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":858,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-04-12T02:27:35.989Z","text":"敌人的敌人不一定是朋友","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe134e2c6819139b2acf4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q2425774ab364c9f5256d","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":859,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-12T02:27:56.879Z","text":"砸郭的很少有人意识到这一点","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfc735f81d6085bf462bb","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2425774ab364c9f5256d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qa011baa792af8d894b22","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":860,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-12T02:28:06.833Z","text":"我估计咖啡文乐醒悟了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa011baa792af8d894b22","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qde95614a3306591d2760","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":861,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-12T02:28:15.814Z","text":"砸了半天 他发现被骗了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qde95614a3306591d2760","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q873ac3d57733b4321338","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":862,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-04-12T02:29:07.731Z","text":"我还得找证据 我靠 找哪些","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q873ac3d57733b4321338","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q897509f208d2138abbf8","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":863,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-12T02:29:27.091Z","text":"找啥证据？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q897509f208d2138abbf8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q44a44f9ceed4775a062d","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":864,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-12T02:29:34.046Z","text":"摸摸币证据到处都是啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q44a44f9ceed4775a062d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q73ad78c4c6ca02fe1daf","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":865,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-04-12T02:29:49.532Z","text":"他自己也是报假案。要么一辈假下去，丢人现眼；要么反水","edited":false,"reply_to":"qde95614a3306591d2760","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q73ad78c4c6ca02fe1daf","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qde95614a3306591d2760","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qa7c0be2bbc5d520a4b92","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":866,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-04-12T02:29:55.614Z","text":"直接文字自诉 签完名就能分股份了？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa7c0be2bbc5d520a4b92","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qc4c866b8058ac43d854e","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":867,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-04-12T02:30:19.513Z","text":"然后证明一下我是投资者 完事儿？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc4c866b8058ac43d854e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qf17341ede070e465e71f","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":868,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-12T02:30:33.379Z","text":"对","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc4c866b8058ac43d854e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf17341ede070e465e71f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc4c866b8058ac43d854e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q8aef9f62944bdcc86361","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":869,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-04-12T02:31:26.565Z","text":"没股份。你爱做不做。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa7c0be2bbc5d520a4b92","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8aef9f62944bdcc86361","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa7c0be2bbc5d520a4b92","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qcbf4f453cbe8f4642c30","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":870,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-04-12T02:31:45.112Z","text":"分股份是我的动力啊 没动力怎么做","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcbf4f453cbe8f4642c30","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qc27043d918ab1cb73ceb","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":871,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-04-12T02:33:09.864Z","text":"我们来这里纯属业余爱好。就像瑞恩说的：公主开瑶，不图赚钱图快乐","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcbf4f453cbe8f4642c30","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc27043d918ab1cb73ceb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcbf4f453cbe8f4642c30","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qe224d2f437a84eb99cb4","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":872,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-04-12T02:34:40.680Z","text":"你八套房、大把现钞，咋那么爱钱呢？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcbf4f453cbe8f4642c30","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe224d2f437a84eb99cb4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcbf4f453cbe8f4642c30","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q85747cc11334ccf12a8e","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":873,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-12T02:36:06.844Z","text":"再过两个礼拜，郭就50年了，分个毛股份","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8c5bf5eff81f3e38f872","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q85747cc11334ccf12a8e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q5e184c6e59d227ef9947","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":874,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-12T02:36:33.508Z","text":"我觉得最多35-40年","edited":false,"reply_to":"q85747cc11334ccf12a8e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5e184c6e59d227ef9947","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q85747cc11334ccf12a8e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q9adfb455e21c7e52d488","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":875,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-04-12T02:38:02.267Z","text":"自己有钱才是真有钱","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe224d2f437a84eb99cb4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9adfb455e21c7e52d488","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe224d2f437a84eb99cb4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q1653561d7e19f2aca0ec","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":876,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-12T02:41:10.581Z","text":"[删节：成员身份]终于认识到，吃软饭不是长久之计","edited":true,"reply_to":"q9adfb455e21c7e52d488","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1653561d7e19f2aca0ec","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9adfb455e21c7e52d488","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qc36f555db21046108377","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":877,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-04-12T02:41:13.227Z","text":"就算我不致富 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郭都嗝屁了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9422f0a737f16089de21","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qa8f7d1901eb7a7b6874b","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":879,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-04-12T02:41:57.744Z","text":"郭强没这个本事","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa8f7d1901eb7a7b6874b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q6d989e41a56111fcc6f6","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":880,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-12T03:03:29.820Z","text":"不管了，朋友实在太少了，一眼望去全是敌人😆","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe134e2c6819139b2acf4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6d989e41a56111fcc6f6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe134e2c6819139b2acf4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qf9990993662eb1b02998","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":881,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-12T03:56:01.331Z","text":"https://x.com/aiyour1/status/2043170387480199638?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf9990993662eb1b02998","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q3de91474f2c1af9e7c45","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":882,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-12T03:56:34.906Z","text":"现在看来 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快来抓我呀","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3de91474f2c1af9e7c45","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q1e4afff90d50775491d9","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":883,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-12T03:56:49.184Z","text":"他搞的所有东西都是为了自己被抓","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1e4afff90d50775491d9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qcc10bd196d2d36acd9f5","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":884,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-12T03:56:58.447Z","text":"一切走到司法战场","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcc10bd196d2d36acd9f5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qada6a5cf29cb3d7592f9","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":885,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-12T03:57:54.692Z","text":"从起诉民运到郭媒体 gtv 投资 私募 最后的战场就是司法战","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qada6a5cf29cb3d7592f9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q67485599bc58b6faab6b","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":886,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-12T03:58:37.366Z","text":"爆料革命最终只有一个战场就是司法  其他病毒疫苗就算事再大 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司法欺诈","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcc8f3fc72f728318059c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q595ba6fee5d922405fcb","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":890,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-12T06:16:50.103Z","text":"天天引用联盟反驳联盟 有个屁用","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q595ba6fee5d922405fcb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qdc755bbb0c94b4ab5165","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":891,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-12T06:18:20.807Z","text":"这几分强制令真正发威的时候你们都不知道怎么死的 还在那里盯着联盟 一群法盲","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdc755bbb0c94b4ab5165","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qbe06b930b41e057dc534","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":892,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-12T06:53:06.593Z","text":"https://x.com/1808_w73/status/2043219407066087652?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbe06b930b41e057dc534","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q7d67081a1fba17d0c594","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":893,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-04-12T07:01:31.698Z","text":"赢麻了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7d67081a1fba17d0c594","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q92bb7a1f28f9ca58aedd","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":894,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-04-12T07:20:59.025Z","text":"https://x.com/dDiVul8m3g82864/status/2043068666204537271?s=20","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q92bb7a1f28f9ca58aedd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qa189a78512ec4f63e1a2","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":895,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-04-12T07:21:37.234Z","text":"这是螺丝哥朋友","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa189a78512ec4f63e1a2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qa82fd583d66617b588cc","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":896,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-04-12T08:01:01.750Z","text":"盖尔明着和检方打配合，这事儿怎么给法庭提？ \n[删节：隐私信息] 记得提醒瑞恩一定得把这个写给二巡","edited":true,"reply_to":"q01531a63bdefd19f92e8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa82fd583d66617b588cc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q01531a63bdefd19f92e8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q41d3f564c31298da7361","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":897,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-04-12T08:09:06.607Z","text":"它们这么玩儿命的骂833检方，这是演习给韭菜们看呢还是给被告制造新罪证，给检方递刀子？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qccf882ff24964f0ee952","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q41d3f564c31298da7361","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qccf882ff24964f0ee952","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q7036235601070a2a1c7e","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":898,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-04-12T08:09:35.630Z","text":"他说了组长是🐷万丽","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1d84aeb131133ef6145c","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7036235601070a2a1c7e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qbc552cc2c25ff1c55bf6","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":899,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-04-12T08:11:09.722Z","text":"什么时候把他们送进去","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbc552cc2c25ff1c55bf6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q660b77374ce723f156af","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":900,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-12T08:33:05.168Z","text":"双簧呢\n给韭菜看","edited":false,"reply_to":"q41d3f564c31298da7361","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q660b77374ce723f156af","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q41d3f564c31298da7361","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q952a4af4f47f7858cfee","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":901,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-12T08:39:56.038Z","text":"姜虾头不傻 老棒子 看出来局比较大\n他自己机关算尽 捞了个寂寞\n所以干脆拿500W 准备终老塞浦路斯\n偶尔应上级要求 露脸说几句不疼不痒的话","edited":false,"reply_to":"q67485599bc58b6faab6b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q952a4af4f47f7858cfee","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q67485599bc58b6faab6b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q54b45547ede8acc3ff3d","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":902,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-04-12T08:46:16.371Z","text":"接下来主事官安排上后，在本案资产分配上，先是南区检方出局，然后是让luc公布账目，调查了三年多，哪些钱属于谁你luc最有发言权，出来走两步，然后luc当然是找理由不出来，那就只能说明本案财产里没有被告既有财产，全部都属于投资者，然后是扣除管理费后按比例返还。然后有余力的，去民事起诉那些诈骗犯，要求三倍赔偿。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q54b45547ede8acc3ff3d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qeda0c490316e52179c1e","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":903,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-12T08:52:28.760Z","text":"对的\n中途参与洗钱 会被民事追责到死\n例如日本草根 至少倾风乐 会追他到天涯海角🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":"q54b45547ede8acc3ff3d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeda0c490316e52179c1e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q54b45547ede8acc3ff3d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q28435f8f54c986d6d7a8","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":904,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-04-12T09:27:13.766Z","text":"金钱判决，辩方去纠结政府已经冻结的和真正诈骗犯转走的不应该算到被告头上，而不去核实在政府那报案和登记的那不超过50个受害者的超过5.5亿的损失是怎么来的，法官有权按照超过5.5亿这个量级来量刑。检方也不去把那报案和登记的那些损失拿来说事，因为经不起查，辩方也懂，配合得很好。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q28435f8f54c986d6d7a8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qa482c158abae3344fa5b","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":905,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-12T09:38:10.375Z","text":"50个受害者 5.5亿\n一句话 驴唇不对马嘴","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa482c158abae3344fa5b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q9f94e12fce95d596e74f","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":906,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-04-12T10:03:40.639Z","text":"这个剧本真的是太精彩太震撼、惊人动地！\n郭的影响力将是川普的100倍！三年前我就跟周围的同事和上司说这种话。\n大家一定要提高自己的认知、找准自己的角色，干出一些真正利己利他利自己的家人和子孙后代的事情；不要太短视、不要太谈钱；但是钱一定会有的、我们的生活一定会好起来的。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q67485599bc58b6faab6b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9f94e12fce95d596e74f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q67485599bc58b6faab6b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q40116e0a012a0e264955","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":907,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-12T10:29:04.246Z","text":"他是骑墙的 哪边有利 往哪边跑 绝对不会亏","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5550d1cb9ca7393d6b30","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q40116e0a012a0e264955","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qc06ceb81a2538f4e4310","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":908,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-12T10:30:42.853Z","text":"这都哪跟哪 安小东似乎也神经了 爱郭贼 砸锅的 都在互相乱咬 盖尔始终还是他爹\n黄老湿 [删节：隐私信息] 又背了黑锅吧\nhttps://x.com/anxiaodong777/status/2043232029383303599?s=46","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc06ceb81a2538f4e4310","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q5c3eb4f6478a6a0ca084","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":909,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-04-12T10:35:39.139Z","text":"到最后，两边的人都不会答理他，就像蝙蝠一样。\n这个世界要重新洗牌。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q40116e0a012a0e264955","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5c3eb4f6478a6a0ca084","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q40116e0a012a0e264955","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q867c83e7e33f979016cd","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":910,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-12T10:39:12.473Z","text":"我认为不对 这样的一般结局都不会差 \n两手抓 闷声发大财\n参考“让子弹飞”里，姜文的弟弟姜武，演的那个团练教头","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5c3eb4f6478a6a0ca084","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q867c83e7e33f979016cd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5c3eb4f6478a6a0ca084","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q22bf01358b0e72bfce02","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":911,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-04-12T12:28:18.350Z","text":"灭爆联盟已经成了喜国代言人了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9500198f1927a24a149a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q22bf01358b0e72bfce02","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9500198f1927a24a149a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q549c27ebb2798de3182b","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":912,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-04-12T12:32:14.795Z","text":"砸着砸着砸出真相来了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qde95614a3306591d2760","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q549c27ebb2798de3182b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qde95614a3306591d2760","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q54427b9ea1623b438e6b","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":913,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-04-12T12:34:25.472Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 把你发给法院的动议晒一下啊？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q54427b9ea1623b438e6b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q92b7b3f279d0d79f71b3","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":914,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-04-12T12:34:55.832Z","text":"还在完善 我要把833牵着tdccp写进去","edited":false,"reply_to":"q54427b9ea1623b438e6b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q92b7b3f279d0d79f71b3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q54427b9ea1623b438e6b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q3d9f84ce525848a1537e","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":915,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-04-12T12:37:46.000Z","text":"就算是这样，也有个大前提，美国司法恢复正常。现在自己的总统都差点被搞死","edited":false,"reply_to":"q67485599bc58b6faab6b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3d9f84ce525848a1537e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q67485599bc58b6faab6b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qadbcf3846ad211163fb8","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":916,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-04-12T12:38:30.895Z","text":"他还敢来？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6bb488a6d0b5cd296140","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qadbcf3846ad211163fb8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6bb488a6d0b5cd296140","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qf40f251dd44b14fff392","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":917,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-04-12T12:39:45.914Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 你是教父啊！你给别人示范一下怎么搞动议，怎么完善，怎么干死联盟。行不行啊？你就是带头大哥","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf40f251dd44b14fff392","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q9c97b0a4b798b3106ad2","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":918,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-04-12T12:40:51.221Z","text":"他为什么也不敢谈？还是不想谈","edited":false,"reply_to":"q358a8c2b1aedc6b18dfa","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9c97b0a4b798b3106ad2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qf1c7540c331c7bce8ff4","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":919,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-04-12T12:46:35.872Z","text":"500万加元，等于两三百万欧，绝逼够丫活一个来回了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q952a4af4f47f7858cfee","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf1c7540c331c7bce8ff4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q952a4af4f47f7858cfee","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q5860a68e806684a3ebfe","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":920,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-04-12T12:49:38.290Z","text":"五百万人民币多少人一辈子也不可能赚的到啊！","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf1c7540c331c7bce8ff4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5860a68e806684a3ebfe","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf1c7540c331c7bce8ff4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qeae4464622ece0393088","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":921,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-04-12T12:49:45.562Z","text":"辩方是这个案子最大的bug","edited":false,"reply_to":"q28435f8f54c986d6d7a8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeae4464622ece0393088","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q28435f8f54c986d6d7a8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qcf23acc483acc3bd5d4b","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":922,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-04-12T12:51:09.078Z","text":"老郭目前屁都不算，胜者王侯败者寇","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9f94e12fce95d596e74f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf23acc483acc3bd5d4b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9f94e12fce95d596e74f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qf8c7df2d0e522e8fc1dc","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":923,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-04-12T12:54:31.778Z","text":"中国亿万富翁就12万户","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf8c7df2d0e522e8fc1dc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qe51f8f42462dbeefb8ed","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":924,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-04-12T12:55:16.680Z","text":"已经是八套房了，深谙搞钱之道","edited":false,"reply_to":"q867c83e7e33f979016cd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe51f8f42462dbeefb8ed","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q867c83e7e33f979016cd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q4998dffdd319b8dfa9c0","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":925,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-04-12T12:56:11.486Z","text":"比不传的总要好吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcd7e673fbd4b55a41dfe","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4998dffdd319b8dfa9c0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qe1977db4b9d6b83a07fe","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":926,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-12T14:27:58.403Z","text":"虾头就是这样 被郭忽悠的一愣一愣 现在成精神病了\nhttps://x.com/dxbybzb1722/status/2040068160989110507?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe1977db4b9d6b83a07fe","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qc1b8561a9c32d8e87b93","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":927,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-04-12T14:32:58.167Z","text":"我只点击进去，看了不到一分钟。\n几乎所有人玩的都是烟雾弹，把简单问题复杂化，避重就轻。\n只有群里少数几个人讲本质问题。\n我喜欢数学，就是因为它的简洁明了、不浪费时间。\n以前在班上做数学题的时候，很多人写了一大堆步骤，不得要领，结果得到的还是一个大X。😂","edited":false,"reply_to":"q358a8c2b1aedc6b18dfa","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc1b8561a9c32d8e87b93","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qee92d45fd51490f561f2","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":928,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-04-12T14:47:27.543Z","text":"https://x.com/starstuded11/status/2042928236988903471?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qee92d45fd51490f561f2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q47e1e7af8511a068d9d8","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":929,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-12T15:09:23.967Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息]有冇道理🤣","edited":true,"reply_to":"q96266a25279bafd56864","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q47e1e7af8511a068d9d8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q46e60e6bc4653241aa71","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":930,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-12T15:17:30.971Z","text":"https://x.com/i/status/2042460081976135860","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q46e60e6bc4653241aa71","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q2cf5c287f9938511967e","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":931,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-12T15:19:53.800Z","text":"https://x.com/i/status/2042270487838159152","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2cf5c287f9938511967e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q7df1e97d4e6058b79811","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":932,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-12T15:26:10.263Z","text":"这个有道理啊\n但是罗伊/郭海 控制着盖特后台\n多维网可以被关 盖特一样\n审查言论 删除个人账号 这些事 他跑不了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2cf5c287f9938511967e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7df1e97d4e6058b79811","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2cf5c287f9938511967e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q984a0e13818bb0cb44df","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":933,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-12T15:29:55.481Z","text":"盖特不是找了一群美国maga的人做肉盾吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7df1e97d4e6058b79811","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q984a0e13818bb0cb44df","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7df1e97d4e6058b79811","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qd846880acc64ce41e583","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":934,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-12T15:30:23.803Z","text":"包括班农","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd846880acc64ce41e583","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qbbc637e3353bb065e0a8","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":935,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-12T15:31:37.876Z","text":"这才是他们的底气","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbbc637e3353bb065e0a8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q225a08041a9f6501620c","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":936,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-12T15:32:46.277Z","text":"他们觉得有用","edited":false,"reply_to":"q534792e8fc5f6e1a36ca","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q225a08041a9f6501620c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q425c095a17095d943c7b","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":937,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-12T15:32:59.736Z","text":"他们还是不是很懂美国人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q425c095a17095d943c7b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q18dd7fde4f45fb5ffe1f","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":938,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-12T15:33:05.763Z","text":"想多了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q18dd7fde4f45fb5ffe1f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qf383de80f937ed2274f9","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":939,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-12T15:33:16.639Z","text":"确实想多了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q18dd7fde4f45fb5ffe1f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf383de80f937ed2274f9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q18dd7fde4f45fb5ffe1f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q66aefe13447b177eb5f9","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":940,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-12T15:34:21.098Z","text":"一面822 833 天天骂司法部","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q66aefe13447b177eb5f9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qac7ac166873471551124","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":941,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-12T15:36:21.228Z","text":"最后结果就是 里外不是人\n青们 被背后的主子 检方 辩方 都嫌弃\n做人能做到这个地步 一个字 绝","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qac7ac166873471551124","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q7e6651a611c229e82682","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":942,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-04-12T15:36:54.909Z","text":"这就是我最早介入案件的想法啊！你们爱老郭，却没有人上法庭去帮老郭，只会演戏!","edited":false,"reply_to":"q46e60e6bc4653241aa71","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7e6651a611c229e82682","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q46e60e6bc4653241aa71","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qc72d405c59e884074d92","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":943,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-04-12T15:44:28.527Z","text":"母鸡。不能一概而论吧。螺丝哥自己也是北方人。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q47e1e7af8511a068d9d8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc72d405c59e884074d92","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q47e1e7af8511a068d9d8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qe30876ec2744ff972901","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":944,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-12T15:44:59.998Z","text":"螺丝哥的观点是，其实中国汉人都是杂交","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc72d405c59e884074d92","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe30876ec2744ff972901","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc72d405c59e884074d92","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q38f48f8401bb48f6dd6c","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":945,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-12T15:45:26.145Z","text":"Hybrid 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云南混血？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc72d405c59e884074d92","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1a3ccda3709afba41344","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc72d405c59e884074d92","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qc5a2ea9b3791d59bd47b","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":949,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-12T15:48:23.697Z","text":"不知道","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1a3ccda3709afba41344","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc5a2ea9b3791d59bd47b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1a3ccda3709afba41344","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q4d782adaa149d8e1b163","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":950,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-04-12T15:49:19.691Z","text":"问题是古代的杂交是杀男的掠夺妇女，背负因果太多","edited":false,"reply_to":"q575ee11ea7abf20dafae","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4d782adaa149d8e1b163","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q575ee11ea7abf20dafae","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q5303509301f3fe6aadbe","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":951,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-12T15:50:39.362Z","text":"这就是形而上学了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4d782adaa149d8e1b163","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5303509301f3fe6aadbe","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4d782adaa149d8e1b163","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qc242c4f0e909c02e4630","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":952,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-12T15:52:03.081Z","text":"抢钱抢粮 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以后还要分财产","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7ad65dab075c9eacd842","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9363c53a3450bc522101","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7ad65dab075c9eacd842","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q37e10a9a8c879c6dcbbb","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":957,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-12T16:24:29.943Z","text":"才一年前的事情，感觉像是过了一个世纪","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1dc2df5bb01d84a94ce1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q37e10a9a8c879c6dcbbb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1dc2df5bb01d84a94ce1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qb1cde07779e7bf5df14a","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":958,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-12T16:25:07.443Z","text":"这个清风乐 我觉得是发现被骗了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb1cde07779e7bf5df14a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qbaf7f28aac4e2064e384","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":959,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-12T16:25:16.530Z","text":"他以为他一直是砸郭的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbaf7f28aac4e2064e384","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qc1511baa49d4940adf4d","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":960,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-12T16:25:24.943Z","text":"没想到对面才是砸郭的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc1511baa49d4940adf4d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q8ff87c741bb3c463ac8c","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":961,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-04-12T16:27:59.172Z","text":"他发现得有点晚。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc1511baa49d4940adf4d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ff87c741bb3c463ac8c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc1511baa49d4940adf4d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q3a1ec2b11e135d11c84b","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":962,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2026-04-12T16:49:46.292Z","text":"王不是老公孩子分离了吗，\n要是她借此求七哥呢？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7ad65dab075c9eacd842","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3a1ec2b11e135d11c84b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7ad65dab075c9eacd842","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q114fd3d1af92d18e31a5","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":963,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-04-12T17:20:23.947Z","text":"七哥应该不会答应的。\n这个女人又丑又坏。\n他可以对小孩负责。这个世界上离婚率那么高，再加他一个也不算什么。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3a1ec2b11e135d11c84b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q114fd3d1af92d18e31a5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3a1ec2b11e135d11c84b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qf60d1d8052ed3d42d9dd","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":964,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2026-04-12T18:45:41.101Z","text":"她跟七哥工作应该是最久的吧。七哥说封闭高速上开400时速的时候，王在副驾驶竟然丝毫不惧。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q114fd3d1af92d18e31a5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf60d1d8052ed3d42d9dd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q114fd3d1af92d18e31a5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qaa61d96151d60ca5072f","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":965,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-12T20:16:03.645Z","text":"用猪贝贝的逻辑说，这叫训练有素","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf60d1d8052ed3d42d9dd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaa61d96151d60ca5072f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf60d1d8052ed3d42d9dd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qbe06291c81b6cd6173f1","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":966,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-12T20:33:57.830Z","text":"https://x.com/i/status/2043426871291875773","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbe06291c81b6cd6173f1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q70e9ac82fb588a669f24","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":967,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-04-12T20:58:31.017Z","text":"等他们进MDC的时候，会后悔干这些蠢事吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q66aefe13447b177eb5f9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q70e9ac82fb588a669f24","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q66aefe13447b177eb5f9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q9249fc66865482f57199","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":968,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-04-12T21:06:39.932Z","text":"这一年信息量有点大","edited":false,"reply_to":"q37e10a9a8c879c6dcbbb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9249fc66865482f57199","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q37e10a9a8c879c6dcbbb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qbfe04c39b1e20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xin***］ 动议里记得把这个加上","edited":true,"reply_to":"qbe06291c81b6cd6173f1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbfe04c39b1e20f8eddab","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbe06291c81b6cd6173f1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qf515eb0ff5d9b75c17b1","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":970,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-04-13T01:04:22.611Z","text":"什么车能开400","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf60d1d8052ed3d42d9dd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf515eb0ff5d9b75c17b1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf60d1d8052ed3d42d9dd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q9b91a19266dd4253f1bd","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":971,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-13T03:01:19.685Z","text":"这个案子判决出来，如果还信青们的，不是蠢，就是坏。\n这帮人，没有一个人讲案子内容。甚至连郭强Mileson 的名字，都不敢提。\nLuc追郭强的BVI，认为这也算郭的alter ego。\n现在Luc败了，那么他之前在破产案建立的G enterprises 是郭的alter ego，这个论调就可能塌房。\n对刑事案影响会很大，50受害人，和涉案5.5亿，离开alter ego 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就是隐士们的碰头会","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf513c2c4d1d86db04b9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q8177729ae17261e0d4d4","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":974,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-04-13T04:56:00.320Z","text":"检方833 提债权人登记这件事了吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8177729ae17261e0d4d4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q446145ed64c4308cd0b1","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":975,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-13T04:56:13.916Z","text":"你的嗅觉很灵明","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8177729ae17261e0d4d4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q446145ed64c4308cd0b1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8177729ae17261e0d4d4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q6541b53bd8ea3d84b912","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":976,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-13T04:56:22.191Z","text":"一个字母都没提","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8177729ae17261e0d4d4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6541b53bd8ea3d84b912","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8177729ae17261e0d4d4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qb36c2bae413be4de5376","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":977,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-13T04:56:36.972Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息]  我昨天说的检方犯了灾难性的错误就是这个","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb36c2bae413be4de5376","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q9d0b2f7b0e3c91f1f357","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":978,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-04-13T04:56:40.574Z","text":"我还在期待Luc的债权人登记清单。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9d0b2f7b0e3c91f1f357","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qfd7276c3f04f47f5bd36","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":979,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-13T04:56:43.518Z","text":"看瑞恩下周的文件吧 😂","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfd7276c3f04f47f5bd36","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q8fd45eb5736487dcdfce","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":980,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-04-13T04:57:48.002Z","text":"检方为什么不提呢？ 检方不是说有“thousands of victims” 吗？ 在哪里呢？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8fd45eb5736487dcdfce","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q076262f63b8e4552f993","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":981,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-13T04:58:02.904Z","text":"这又是一个爆破点 😂","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8fd45eb5736487dcdfce","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q076262f63b8e4552f993","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8fd45eb5736487dcdfce","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q086498222cbc57f016cb","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":982,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-13T04:58:10.743Z","text":"你的司法嗅觉很牛逼了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q086498222cbc57f016cb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q8d8e6a27fb4ff5d774b1","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":983,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-04-13T04:58:32.097Z","text":"哪里的大会？ 我咋不知道呢？ 我也登记了啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcf513c2c4d1d86db04b9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8d8e6a27fb4ff5d774b1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf513c2c4d1d86db04b9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qe6451e053b2493f142cc","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":984,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-04-13T04:59:36.988Z","text":"拱卒 Julia 登记，我就效仿了。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe6451e053b2493f142cc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qd166648666a9ccfeff4f","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":985,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-13T04:59:52.350Z","text":"检方心虚了 733","edited":false,"reply_to":"q076262f63b8e4552f993","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd166648666a9ccfeff4f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q076262f63b8e4552f993","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qf0946dd3779a84835891","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":986,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-04-13T05:00:20.517Z","text":"检方 luc 不就是用这个合谋，把郭抓了吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf0946dd3779a84835891","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q0a97289d542f08b064a7","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":987,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-13T05:01:28.833Z","text":"要爬楼了🤣 前面青让农场发的通知 就是这个事","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8d8e6a27fb4ff5d774b1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0a97289d542f08b064a7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8d8e6a27fb4ff5d774b1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qea37af0d227dc6a2ca35","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":988,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-13T05:02:03.169Z","text":"哈哈 你的司法嗅觉也来了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd166648666a9ccfeff4f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea37af0d227dc6a2ca35","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd166648666a9ccfeff4f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qa7192f4667db527945f3","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":989,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-13T05:02:28.170Z","text":"抓捕是否用的债权人 尚不清楚 但是保释用债权人 司法欺诈已经没跑","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf0946dd3779a84835891","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa7192f4667db527945f3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf0946dd3779a84835891","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qf2f59781f7319213fbfb","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":990,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-13T05:02:58.033Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 下周看瑞恩文件 你们就能知道 检方犯了什么致死性错误","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf2f59781f7319213fbfb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qd22ae8261c37cd7ff570","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":991,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-13T05:03:03.300Z","text":"早看出来了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qea37af0d227dc6a2ca35","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd22ae8261c37cd7ff570","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea37af0d227dc6a2ca35","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qe61700797c0d8c15577f","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":992,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-13T05:03:38.127Z","text":"Luc居然要通过青-农场，通知债权人🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe61700797c0d8c15577f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qe10b1518cc057d72bfcf","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":993,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-04-13T05:03:40.873Z","text":"按理说， 债权人登记， 99% 都是因为GTV 当时被扣款， GTV 的款还了，债权人登记的也应该失效了，青联盟现在搞这个干什么？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe10b1518cc057d72bfcf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q12cd07df8332487f44d1","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":994,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-13T05:04:57.199Z","text":"HCHK委员会","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa7192f4667db527945f3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q12cd07df8332487f44d1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa7192f4667db527945f3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qcfa417d1437298040c0e","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":995,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-13T05:06:14.211Z","text":"意思是证明 债权人都还在 郭还是欺诈","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe10b1518cc057d72bfcf","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcfa417d1437298040c0e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe10b1518cc057d72bfcf","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q3ca7098f135afe91f9b8","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":996,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-13T05:07:15.734Z","text":"他们还是那“数千”受害者","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3ca7098f135afe91f9b8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"qad98449ee700b241e68b","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":997,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-13T05:07:46.451Z","text":"检方50个victim不够用啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qad98449ee700b241e68b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q5e03f66f5aab84c9d7df","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":998,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-13T05:08:47.470Z","text":"不是 真正的意义是给检方司法欺诈解套","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcfa417d1437298040c0e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5e03f66f5aab84c9d7df","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcfa417d1437298040c0e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q558f9be62da284526d6a","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":999,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-04-13T05:08:59.626Z","text":"50个 检方也没列清单吧？ 进 多少 出多少， 总共 损失多少","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q558f9be62da284526d6a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"},{"id":"q29235ac97a5570af7be3","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":1000,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-13T05:09:26.629Z","text":"青 Luc  检方 配合的真好","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5e03f66f5aab84c9d7df","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q29235ac97a5570af7be3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5e03f66f5aab84c9d7df","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000099","next_batch_id":"batch-000101"}