{"id":"batch-000104","number":104,"revision":1,"date_start":"2026-04-22T03:19:39.284Z","date_end":"2026-04-24T22:11:31.092Z","total_messages":1000,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 104 (Apr 22, 2026 – Apr 24, 2026), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. From Apr 22 to Apr 24, 2026, the thread moved from message authenticity disputes to procedural fights over United States v. Kwok, et al., 1:23-CR-118-AT and Dkts. 38–39 in case 25-2726. Members disputed whether sentencing should be stayed before the writ petition is resolved, whether CVRA rights, pro se filing service, and 72-hour limits were met, and whether forfeiture plus bankruptcy-linked creditor claims exceeded legal bounds; no stable consensus emerged. Community statements, not court findings.","guide_en":[{"title":"“Were They Fooled?” and Source Credibility: signatures, provenance, and the Zhu Beibei narrative are repeatedly rechecked","description":"Participants argued that the case narrative was being shaped by disputed messaging, with claims of deception, forged signatures, and contested identity labels rather than verified certainty, and that these credibility claims drove later legal inferences; Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q7daf2add8fb3821ec610","qc1b565f847be20cd9913","qea881353e500f85d1d94"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q7daf2add8fb3821ec610","summary_en":"One participant (joh***) said they believed she had been manipulated and described her pre-sentencing letter as a desperate plea to the judge; Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qc1b565f847be20cd9913","summary_en":"Another participant (him***) claimed that Zhu Beibei said the signature on Guo’s support letter to Diddy was fake; Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qea881353e500f85d1d94","summary_en":"The same participant also asserted she was the \"judicial version\" of A Zhe, which others treated as an identity frame rather than a confirmed status; Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Victim Speaking Rights and Role Boundaries: who may act publicly and whether CVRA confers automatic authority","description":"Participants disputed where victim standing begins in the process, claiming the victim-vs-defendant model was misapplied and contending that CVRA-related participation may not give unrestricted room to all speakers; Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q50c795eb9f8a32cc861f","qbc1a0ed9799f500644f7"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q50c795eb9f8a32cc861f","summary_en":"One participant (kir***) argued that the usual victim-versus-defendant model did not fit and questioned why someone other than the defendant could openly attack the whole case; Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qbc1a0ed9799f500644f7","summary_en":"Another participant (ntp***) identified the issue as tied to the Southern District self-prosecution mailbox; Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Second-Circuit and Sentencing Tension: whether 1:23-CR-118 sentencing should be paused before mandamus relief and pro se filing path","description":"Participants claimed the core dispute was sequencing: whether sentencing in SDNY should wait for appellate resolution and whether a pro se record—including 1080-style proof and submission method—was properly presented before proceeding; Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q1e4ceeb05dbc75a3a163","qf5fdf10bfe9e5dd8658c","q4a99f773ed524461c22a"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q1e4ceeb05dbc75a3a163","summary_en":"A participant (chu***) submitted a pro se emergency motion asking the court to stay the Apr 27, 2026 sentencing in United States v. Kwok, et al., 1:23-CR-118-AT until case 25-2726 (Dkts. 38, 39) is decided, citing CVRA harm and evidence gaps; Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf5fdf10bfe9e5dd8658c","summary_en":"One participant (kir***) stated the filing seemed to have been handled as pro se via email; Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q4a99f773ed524461c22a","summary_en":"Another participant (ntp***) said filing occurred before the phone call, which they used to support a procedural sequencing point; Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Service and procedural validity: whether evidence was omitted, CVRA timing was breached, and 72-hour rules were exceeded","description":"Members contested service mechanics and timing compliance, arguing that missing certificates, incomplete recipient service, and possible delay beyond CVRA’s 72-hour framework were central procedural vulnerabilities while also noting unresolved objections in the chat; Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qf356cbd633ff0055e01f","q57a814ba4d34a9cb1f7b","q0a6ad39b2e9fa04bc889"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qf356cbd633ff0055e01f","summary_en":"A participant (spr***) said no Certificate of Service was filed and asked whether both prosecutor and defense needed physical copies if only postage receipts were included; Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q57a814ba4d34a9cb1f7b","summary_en":"Another participant (reb***) quoted 18 U.S.C. § 3771(d)(3) and argued that indefinite stalling would conflict with the statute’s 72-hour requirement, then questioned whether earlier appellate delay was therefore invalid; Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q0a6ad39b2e9fa04bc889","summary_en":"A participant (kir***) added a brief but firm pushback without substantive elaboration; Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Forfeiture and pre-sentencing leverage: G enterprise scope, post-plea forfeiture range, and fund-routing arguments","description":"Participants argued that forfeiture treatment became the thread’s main substantive battleground, with claims that G enterprise was treated broadly from the outset and that credit allocation steps were designed to avoid opposition, potentially extending into bankruptcy outcomes; Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qa411aef12c8b41a7d31d","q359831043b6b11bf13d3","q8fa4f95c357707f06178"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qa411aef12c8b41a7d31d","summary_en":"One participant (joh***) said Wang was initially charged with 11 counts, that the prosecutor already fixed forfeiture to cover essentially all of G enterprise, and after pleading to 2/4 counts he still saw no objection to that forfeiture scope; Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q359831043b6b11bf13d3","summary_en":"Another participant (kir***) simply agreed with that position; Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q8fa4f95c357707f06178","summary_en":"Joh claimed that after the plea, the group quickly pushed a remission form with a victim option to avoid opposing forfeiture, route G enterprise into bankruptcy, and direct distribution to creditors while avoiding specific references like 853n; Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Bankruptcy-criminal crossover: creditor list integrity, alter ego logic, and fake-creditor implications","description":"Members argued that bankruptcy evidence was being used to expand criminal-related liability boundaries, disputing whether creditor records, alter-ego theories, and fund-transfer links were authentic or overstated; Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q877acabc19d8758bba38","qd06968d2bc5b6903c878"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q877acabc19d8758bba38","summary_en":"One participant (joh***) questioned whether “Xiao Li” was properly counted, alleging false creditors and collusive transfers tied to Luc Rico fund movement via farm operators; Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qd06968d2bc5b6903c878","summary_en":"The same participant later stated that “Gongpig is definitely not Guo’s registration,” reinforcing a claim that filing attribution was being falsely claimed; Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Opinion escalation and labeling: official and alternate accounts, community tags, and narrative steering claims","description":"Participants disputed whether account ecosystems were shaping sentiment, with claims of alias accounts and early voices acting as tone-setters, while others argued registration statements were merely conditional guidance; Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qcb686f3f6ad4fb0bee97","q6f289385debf0d31e8b5","qb35d456b997287ada666"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qcb686f3f6ad4fb0bee97","summary_en":"One participant (him***) said Guo acknowledged registration could be done but only under certain conditions, emphasizing it was optional guidance rather than a directive; Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q6f289385debf0d31e8b5","summary_en":"Another participant (joh***) alleged the presence of sockpuppets in the group and singled out early posters Alice and Nick as possible drivers of hostile framing, also calling a cited user unworthy; Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qb35d456b997287ada666","summary_en":"A member (kir***) added uncertainty by saying no one seemed to know what “luo-sige” was doing, framing it as an influence concern; Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Judicial and prosecution motive: accusations of showmanship or bias versus claims of discretionary authority","description":"Members claimed the prosecution and judge were staging legitimacy while exploiting procedural gaps, while other participants disputed that framing by noting the appellate court’s discretion in handling such disputes; Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q9d71429131da6d46c89e","qf3be6781433507e4284d","q3f5538d0d248dbffa56c"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q9d71429131da6d46c89e","summary_en":"One participant (joh***) argued that the prosecutor and the judge were trying to make the case appear coherent within an engineered framework by exploiting loopholes; Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf3be6781433507e4284d","summary_en":"Another participant (him***) contended that substantive merits were secondary because only procedural defects, ineffective defense, and perceived judicial bias mattered; Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q3f5538d0d248dbffa56c","summary_en":"A different participant (kir***) countered that the second circuit has discretion, disputing the idea that a single procedural complaint dictated outcome; Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Strategic repositioning: preserving record details, renewing objections, and mapping an appellate route","description":"Participants argued that the immediate plan was to preserve granular record items and submit additional objections to the second circuit before any higher-level move, rather than letting procedural opportunities lapse; Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q5b24c162fcf72513a264","q29c8fc09441c2f29c274"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q5b24c162fcf72513a264","summary_en":"One participant (kir***) said a designated member would draft a summary the next Friday to organize the points; Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q29c8fc09441c2f29c274","summary_en":"Another participant (roy***) urged experts to submit every discovered detail and gap to the second circuit quickly, using those already active there if others could not; Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Timing expectations and tactical bargaining: adjournments, two-month windows, sentencing projections, and 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怕了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe6b33b574564d055a933","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc939f143ebb4cbbedd5f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe6b33b574564d055a933","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qcf78dff6aded9171d8df","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":603,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-04-23T21:52:37.220Z","text":"灭爆联盟会做什么？！各方面的人接下来会有什么动作！太好玩了。\n这比追球赛精彩多了。😂","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf78dff6aded9171d8df","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q365e6a4b97cd3386af31","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":604,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-23T21:53:58.555Z","text":"你看 他们都懵逼了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcf78dff6aded9171d8df","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q365e6a4b97cd3386af31","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf78dff6aded9171d8df","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q75ee1b2294b215c58227","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":605,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-23T21:54:01.561Z","text":"没人庆祝","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q75ee1b2294b215c58227","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q5fac100073f073005c8f","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":606,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-04-23T21:54:28.888Z","text":"还没上二巡的快上啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5fac100073f073005c8f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q59b967be2cd97d69d553","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":607,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-04-23T21:55:28.145Z","text":"这个我没理解穿正装和实刑有联系？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf34ec3209992ab1049be","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q59b967be2cd97d69d553","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qc007281e18bbaf534b6d","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":608,"speaker":"tan***","date":"2026-04-23T21:55:50.175Z","text":"当庭释放的可能，穿正装","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc007281e18bbaf534b6d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q2aa49eb2416137e62d34","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":609,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-23T21:56:18.920Z","text":"不是","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf34ec3209992ab1049be","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2aa49eb2416137e62d34","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q733bfe79ca9ea105f495","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":610,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-23T21:56:24.481Z","text":"量刑延期了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q733bfe79ca9ea105f495","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qda44f0a6dbd642e7c6ef","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":611,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-23T21:56:26.652Z","text":"所以没必要了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qda44f0a6dbd642e7c6ef","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qbd5578b135c524603130","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":612,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-04-23T21:57:09.664Z","text":"我也理解为延期到六月底了，所以批准四月27号穿正装就没必要了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbd5578b135c524603130","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qa87f556134c39ffa8c27","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":613,"speaker":"tan***","date":"2026-04-23T21:59:27.686Z","text":"是我理解错了，日期看错了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2aa49eb2416137e62d34","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa87f556134c39ffa8c27","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2aa49eb2416137e62d34","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q8434e8fa1dcb6f0e7888","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":614,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-04-23T22:01:39.850Z","text":"郭先生要申请保释才对！！！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8434e8fa1dcb6f0e7888","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qe315ac27d413857033b9","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":615,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-04-23T22:02:24.690Z","text":"两个月！一个人的生命里有几个两个月！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe315ac27d413857033b9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q30d1d92eeed6b6dfb2cc","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":616,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-23T22:03:21.081Z","text":"我比较关心，黄老师的直播会怎么说？黄老师退隐山林的计划黄了？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q365e6a4b97cd3386af31","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q30d1d92eeed6b6dfb2cc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q365e6a4b97cd3386af31","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q3cc687835b05e7091255","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":617,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-23T22:03:30.166Z","text":"黄了呀！！","edited":false,"reply_to":"q30d1d92eeed6b6dfb2cc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3cc687835b05e7091255","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q30d1d92eeed6b6dfb2cc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qc6780c59df9147ed5e87","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":618,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-04-23T22:04:24.398Z","text":"https://x.com/qiqi7877/status/2047436175657644436?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc6780c59df9147ed5e87","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q674dd84493e0076b71fb","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":619,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-04-23T22:07:11.054Z","text":"他们看到这个消息该很难过吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0685ffb63c29467ec156","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q674dd84493e0076b71fb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q3338c245b333e0f0d2e0","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":620,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-04-23T22:11:42.429Z","text":"https://x.com/qiqi7877/status/2047437988939153422?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3338c245b333e0f0d2e0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qa63bddb2019b9ccb1288","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":621,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-04-23T22:20:46.569Z","text":"补上完整证据后，量刑也不可能了吧？是不是还剩下解决王雁平认罪的事？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa63bddb2019b9ccb1288","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q29c8fc09441c2f29c274","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":622,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-04-23T22:26:12.474Z","text":"所以群里几位特别懂的专家们一定要尽快把案情的所有细节，各种漏洞全部提交给二巡，不要漏掉任何一个细节，如果提交不了的可以让已经在二巡的提交吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q29c8fc09441c2f29c274","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qb53d8738c1f9601db9f4","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":623,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-23T22:36:03.972Z","text":"郭不申请保释吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb53d8738c1f9601db9f4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q2e7aed42d96d2329d01c","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":624,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-23T22:36:10.328Z","text":"西装白准备了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2e7aed42d96d2329d01c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q19957481749511bd5d76","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":625,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-23T22:36:44.840Z","text":"群里没人买机票吧？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q19957481749511bd5d76","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q47fde17d428f610a6fd8","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":626,"speaker":"tan***","date":"2026-04-23T22:37:22.891Z","text":"这说明七哥及其辩护律师真的准备4月27日开庭量刑宣判了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q47fde17d428f610a6fd8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q0d0cde32f32a65fc174a","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":627,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-23T22:37:49.759Z","text":"如果星期一早上宣布推迟，说不定真有人买机票了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0d0cde32f32a65fc174a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q87df4974ecf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他节目里面读 我是这样写的 [删节：隐私信息]","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdd4010fc9581f56c06c5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q480e602ad7bddf28bfb1","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":636,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-04-23T23:10:22.776Z","text":"他看到郭延期了被领导批评没完成任务吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8add861e9da8307ccab8","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q480e602ad7bddf28bfb1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q0521c26af8389f629445","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":637,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-04-23T23:17:13.776Z","text":"我帮你把所有的东西放在一起，见下文：\n\n黄河边先生好 我经过瑞恩同志的授权 在这里写一下瑞恩同志在郭案 参与法律程序的过程。1: 瑞恩的投资，他在733号动议里面说了，和螺丝哥差不多 总共投资大概两万多美金。 2: 至于为什么要参与美国司法，瑞恩本人，他是以受害人介入，这一点要搞清楚，瑞恩在法庭上是被告的对立面。 所以砸郭团队一直把瑞恩打为蚂蚁帮，在司法上 是站不住的。 瑞恩参与法庭文件，原因是看到了螺丝哥在南区一系列动议505，507等，受到的启发，尤其是螺丝哥的679文件。 为什么之前法官把螺丝哥打为滥诉，要对他的动议进行排查，但679一上去，整个法庭 就没人理螺丝哥了？ 瑞恩经过研究发现原来 679 螺丝哥是用： 受害者权利法案 cvra 直接在法庭表达诉求 而这个渠道，是托雷斯法官在528order亲自给的：参与案件有cvra这个渠道 黄老师可以去看看528（或者586）命令。瑞恩对这个现象抓到了本质： 原来 用cvra 承认受害人 法官就不能再对当事人进行司法手段压制了 😂 这就是瑞恩参与司法行动的起心动念。 接着，瑞恩经过一系列的调查，发现检方和luc 在被告保释程序中，犯了极其严重的欺诈法庭的行为，瑞恩已经记录在南区法院733中。瑞恩的观点非常明白： 他虽然被骗钱了 不代表检方可以再骗一边他的钱 不代表luc可以违法抢他的钱。瑞恩认为，惩罚罪犯，应该用合法的方式，而用法外手段制裁罪犯，本身就是犯罪。 这就是为什么 瑞恩的头像 一直都是《死亡笔记》的夜神月。 这个角色，他得到了法外惩罚罪犯的权柄，最终他自己也走向了万劫不复的深渊中。 为什么《死亡笔记》是神作？他探讨了法外制裁给世界带来的和平，是否是真的和平？而美国司法，程序正义，也说明了这一点。 程序不合法，你被郭文贵骗了钱，就算检方通过remission还给你了，结果发现 程序不合法 案件推翻，你的钱是不是又要还回去？ 作为美国公民，不仅有被诈骗举报罪犯的权利，还有对司法的明显不公 表达意见的权利，这也是一种义务。 你们去想想 郭文贵骗了这么多钱，哪天没收程序开始，结果发现 程序不正义 案件推翻，你们不是白忙活吗？ 在惩罚罪犯过程中，必须不能用死亡笔记描写的法外形式，程序必须正义，瑞恩参与司法行动的这个目的，不仅为了他自己，也是为更广泛的受害者争取一个更加公平 公开的法庭程序，预防程序不正义导致之后案件被推翻的风险。 瑞恩，螺丝哥，和现在二巡的出庭证人，大多数 都是这个目的。并不是你们说的要帮郭文贵翻案。 当然，翻案是一个噱头，可以增加流量，但其本质，瑞恩的司法行动 就是在行使一个美国公民被赋予的基本权利和应尽的义务。 仅此而已。 感谢黄河边老师。祝大家在郭案中都能找到真正的自己。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdd4010fc9581f56c06c5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0521c26af8389f629445","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdd4010fc9581f56c06c5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q6d261a0e80abc02ad927","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":638,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-04-23T23:19:43.457Z","text":"[删节：成员身份]己经无法混下去了。人品太差，没人喜欢。😂","edited":true,"reply_to":"q8add861e9da8307ccab8","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6d261a0e80abc02ad927","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q1bb852ee22096d6bbe03","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":639,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-04-23T23:22:39.754Z","text":"瑞恩上面说的 这个案件是刚刚开始。\n\n过去3年都是检方Luc 及盗国贼/灭爆蛇燕子出手， 现在终于轮到郭先生能说话了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1bb852ee22096d6bbe03","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qb65bdbfcc9d06ea35c64","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":640,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-04-23T23:23:21.541Z","text":"或者说成千上万的第三方投资人开始要行动了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb65bdbfcc9d06ea35c64","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q29f8f602f36b4fba5a7c","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":641,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-04-23T23:30:43.596Z","text":"我让 AI 帮我分了下层次，就变成了如下版本：\n\n你这段材料本身逻辑是有的，但现在是一整块“口语流”，不利于阅读和传播。\n我帮你做一件事：不改内容、不改立场，只做结构重排 + 层次清晰化，让它看起来像一篇“有组织的说明文”。\n\n⸻\n\n✍️ 重排后的版本（分层清晰版）\n\n⸻\n\n一、基本情况说明\n\n黄河边先生好：\n\n我经过瑞恩同志的授权，在这里梳理一下他在郭案中参与法律程序的整体过程。\n\n首先是投资情况。\n瑞恩在其提交的733号动议中已经说明，其投资金额与螺丝哥大致相当，总计约两万多美元。\n\n其次是参与司法的身份问题。\n瑞恩是以受害人身份介入美国司法程序，这一点需要明确。在法庭上，他属于被告的对立面。因此，所谓“砸郭团队”将其定性为“蚂蚁帮”，在司法逻辑上是站不住的。\n\n⸻\n\n二、参与司法的起点\n\n瑞恩开始参与法庭文件，是受到螺丝哥在南区一系列动议（如505、507等）的启发，尤其是679号文件。\n\n这里有一个关键现象值得注意：\n\n为什么此前法官曾将螺丝哥视为滥诉，对其动议进行排查，但在679文件提交后，法院却不再对其采取类似措施？\n\n⸻\n\n三、关键发现：CVRA路径\n\n瑞恩经过研究发现，核心在于：\n\n👉 螺丝哥在679中采用的是\n《受害者权利法案》（CVRA）路径\n\n也就是说，他是以受害人身份，直接向法院表达诉求。\n\n而这个渠道，并非自创，而是：\n\n👉 由托雷斯法官在528号命令（或586号）中明确提供的合法路径\n\n因此：\n\n👉 一旦以CVRA确认受害人身份\n👉 法院在程序上就不能再轻易用传统方式对其进行压制\n\n这就是瑞恩抓住的“本质”。\n\n⸻\n\n四、进一步行动与核心观点\n\n在此基础上，瑞恩继续深入调查，认为：\n\n👉 检方及相关方（包括Luc）在被告保释程序中，存在严重的“欺诈法庭”行为\n👉 相关内容已记录于南区733号文件中\n\n瑞恩的立场非常明确：\n\n* 自己被骗钱 ≠ 检方可以再“骗一次”\n* 自己被骗钱 ≠ 任何人可以非法侵占其资产\n\n他强调：\n\n惩罚犯罪必须通过合法程序\n使用非法手段制裁犯罪，本身就是对法治的破坏\n\n⸻\n\n五、思想类比：为什么用“夜神月”\n\n瑞恩长期使用《死亡笔记》中“夜神月”作为头像，并非偶然。\n\n这个角色象征的是：\n\n👉 获得“法外制裁权力”的人\n👉 最终也走向毁灭\n\n《死亡笔记》探讨的问题是：\n\n用非法手段带来的“秩序”，是否是真正的正义？\n\n而美国司法体系强调的正是：\n\n👉 程序正义（Due Process）\n\n⸻\n\n六、程序正义的现实意义\n\n瑞恩提出一个非常现实的问题：\n\n如果：\n\n* 程序不合法\n* 即使资金被追回（例如通过remission）\n\n那么一旦案件被推翻：\n\n👉 这些钱是否仍可能被重新追索？\n\n⸻\n\n因此：\n\n👉 受害人不仅有举报犯罪的权利\n👉 也有对司法不公表达意见的权利（甚至是一种义务）\n\n⸻\n\n七、行动目的的澄清\n\n瑞恩参与司法行动的目的，不只是个人利益，而是：\n\n* 争取更公平、公开的法庭程序\n* 防止因程序不正义导致案件被推翻\n* 维护更广泛受害者的长期利益\n\n因此：\n\n👉 瑞恩、螺丝哥，以及目前在二巡行动的相关人员\n👉 其核心目的，并非“为郭翻案”\n\n⸻\n\n八、关于“翻案说”的回应\n\n所谓“帮郭翻案”的说法：\n\n* 可能具有传播上的吸引力（流量）\n* 但并非本质\n\n本质是：\n\n👉 行使一个美国公民被赋予的权利\n\n👉 并履行相应的责任\n\n⸻\n\n九、结语\n\n以上即为瑞恩参与司法行动的整体逻辑。\n\n感谢黄河边老师。\n也希望大家都能在郭案中，找到真正的自己。\n\n⸻\n\n🧠 我给你的一个点评（很关键）\n\n你这段内容本身其实已经具备：\n\n* ✔ 叙事逻辑\n* ✔ 核心论点（CVRA）\n* ✔ 思想高度（程序正义）\n\n但问题在于：\n\n👉 原版是“聊天式表达”\n👉 重排后变成“可传播文本 / 半法律说明文”\n\n⸻\n\n🔥 如果你再往前一步\n\n我可以帮你把这一版再升级成👇\n\n👉 “可以直接贴到二巡/高法附件里的版本”\n\n那就不是“群里材料”，而是：\n\n👉 🧾 正式法律叙事材料\n\n这个差别是很大的。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdd4010fc9581f56c06c5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q29f8f602f36b4fba5a7c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdd4010fc9581f56c06c5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qeb16ac1b5fef01329c63","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":642,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-04-23T23:39:04.869Z","text":"就是为了给luc的g系列属于郭的结论堆证据。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q548aded8bc65d37ee4de","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeb16ac1b5fef01329c63","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q548aded8bc65d37ee4de","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q78a1f03f9cdf893b1d0a","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":643,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-04-23T23:54:57.040Z","text":"看来[删节：成员身份]有意说了句真话，整个人类的灭共反共演员都不理螺丝哥，是因为不知道他是哪个派别。那些[屏蔽词]的思维方式就是这一定是某个派别的力量。这个舒演员，可能觉得管它什么派别，谁赢就挺谁。","edited":true,"reply_to":"q0a0e1770eead6cf0d3ee","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q78a1f03f9cdf893b1d0a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0a0e1770eead6cf0d3ee","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q739fbe584c611f05b88e","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":644,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-04-24T00:17:19.821Z","text":"这是我整理的开示证据的论证，还有两个月时间，有兴趣的可以结合自己的情况，把这些整理到自己的法律文件中。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q739fbe584c611f05b88e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qc37a356d49d38a53f1af","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":645,"speaker":".an***","date":"2026-04-24T00:25:48.290Z","text":"法官主动延期释放的信息量巨大，说明法官不敢硬判，她不得不正视案子存在的司法欺诈和程序不正义，看来对郭先生的判刑真的要黄了，感谢群里专家们的鼎力相助🌹🌹🌹🙏🙏🙏","edited":false,"reply_to":"q38e39ed090b2fa39687e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc37a356d49d38a53f1af","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q38e39ed090b2fa39687e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q0d1a69a5de3216fdb241","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":646,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-24T00:37:26.488Z","text":"对 破产案是民事案，没有刑事责任\n本可以出现在刑事案，对郭有利的证据，都被带偏了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb9c45e2e0af149a78848","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0d1a69a5de3216fdb241","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb9c45e2e0af149a78848","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qedaefd9b2e3786dab2a6","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":647,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-24T00:41:11.309Z","text":"动议或者二巡 可以把王同意没收范围这个事儿 提出来\n不论如何，王和喜交所 farm loan扯不上关系，那么这一些实体冻结的钱，检方不能没收，更不可能让郭的个人破产案luc拿走","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3f917292c8ad73423129","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qedaefd9b2e3786dab2a6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3f917292c8ad73423129","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qb098cfcf8e936ce7fe35","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":648,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-24T00:49:03.340Z","text":"所以青们，鼓动投资者又登记了债权人的，去破产案反对luc，减少刑事案第三方证人和对郭有利的证词，同时帮luc的虚假债权人登记解套，一石二鸟","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb65bdbfcc9d06ea35c64","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb098cfcf8e936ce7fe35","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb65bdbfcc9d06ea35c64","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q18a54b1980f5e0aa668e","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":649,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-04-24T00:51:40.532Z","text":"你可以写一个完整的版本吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qedaefd9b2e3786dab2a6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q18a54b1980f5e0aa668e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qedaefd9b2e3786dab2a6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q0f08948079f96c39ee56","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":650,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-24T00:52:19.050Z","text":"我可以写一个简单timeline ，供参考","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0f08948079f96c39ee56","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qf2eb9a785b9be6376cf8","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":651,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-24T00:52:26.336Z","text":"https://www.youtube.com/live/l0fMEfR5jMk?si=ZdYTVOMkntqjDyRh","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf2eb9a785b9be6376cf8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q77f15a92224770f02569","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":652,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-24T00:52:45.283Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息]节目 今天可能会提到螺丝哥","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q77f15a92224770f02569","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qd8816dd50d48d3bdbbd5","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":653,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-04-24T00:53:09.424Z","text":"我觉得你可以讲得非常明白，最好写论文一样写清楚然后谁提交到二巡","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0f08948079f96c39ee56","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd8816dd50d48d3bdbbd5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0f08948079f96c39ee56","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q1fbb31cbeb7e9cd031db","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":654,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-04-24T01:05:40.082Z","text":"https://x.com/innercitypress/status/2047440142961348832?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1fbb31cbeb7e9cd031db","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qe0a19d2886150cbe1771","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":655,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-04-24T01:10:46.794Z","text":"这个很好","edited":false,"reply_to":"qedaefd9b2e3786dab2a6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe0a19d2886150cbe1771","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qedaefd9b2e3786dab2a6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q91338aa803232633eb6c","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":656,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-24T01:25:18.918Z","text":"青弄的那个破产案债权人反对luc，是把可以在刑事案做第三方，提供证据帮郭的，引到了民事案去，对郭的定罪量刑没有任何帮助\n您可以和认识的投资人，普及一下这个viewpoint，第三方越多，青们越会慌乱，然后就是内部比谁反水的快","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe0a19d2886150cbe1771","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q91338aa803232633eb6c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe0a19d2886150cbe1771","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qa261e03122e09e416d7c","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":657,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-24T01:44:40.895Z","text":"[删节：成员身份] 后续的motion会有很多关于郭海/罗伊的细节哟\n毕竟号称盖特1000万users，对标川普的truth social\n多维可以关，后台原班人马跑到盖特维稳删号，这样不好吧 \n[删节：成员身份]我说的对不对啊","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa261e03122e09e416d7c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qe1362e82165c082a0103","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":658,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-24T01:57:17.816Z","text":"那帮人真的慌了🤣 🤣 🤣\n发出来之前，也不审核一下","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe1362e82165c082a0103","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q622495cf0de239686614","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":659,"speaker":"lon***","date":"2026-04-24T02:02:48.774Z","text":"这是开始挖坑埋自己人了吗🤣😂","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe1362e82165c082a0103","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q622495cf0de239686614","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe1362e82165c082a0103","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q17e5fc5fc856674fc80e","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":660,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-24T02:04:38.869Z","text":"农场主们卖青 也要排队\n先卖的有肉吃 不然就是吃牢饭\n这两个月是最好的window","edited":false,"reply_to":"q622495cf0de239686614","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q17e5fc5fc856674fc80e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q622495cf0de239686614","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q20dc85723c3e70239dd1","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":661,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-04-24T02:20:14.054Z","text":"文贵这次会不会申请保释呀？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q20dc85723c3e70239dd1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qb7f665719225d7a91057","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":662,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-24T02:23:02.132Z","text":"可能性很低","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb7f665719225d7a91057","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q05bb7926b32f3b2db3d7","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":663,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-24T02:25:03.529Z","text":"小地鼠很阴险，估计要反水，这个推的重点在这里","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q05bb7926b32f3b2db3d7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q742322556301c236f869","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":664,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-24T02:28:17.534Z","text":"https://x.com/nfsc_nick/status/2047487484037144596?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q742322556301c236f869","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qda933ccc77ce7bf65031","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":665,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-24T02:30:20.410Z","text":"估计他第一个要卖青，毕竟Tdccp卡的法人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qda933ccc77ce7bf65031","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qea55da95aec5a3377716","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":666,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-24T02:34:06.863Z","text":"乱码妹急眼了，青又要多賴两个月，第三梯队没法上位🤣 \nhttps://x.com/sendxicptohell/status/2047452095423656361?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea55da95aec5a3377716","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qe8659046b951547f070c","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":667,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-24T02:35:18.926Z","text":"［用户 joh***］ 搜集一下王艳萍的特务证据","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe8659046b951547f070c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qb489391648cc889e98d7","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":668,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-24T02:40:12.862Z","text":"不清楚这位 中间偏右 在不在群里\n乱码妹显然是语无伦次了 又扯政治斗争\n主事官又不是郭的主张\n第三方走853n的，主动权决定权给了检方，最终会被动成为赦免\n乱码妹，底裤都快暴露了🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb489391648cc889e98d7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q58efe25759a69208f81d","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":669,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-04-24T02:47:46.972Z","text":"他们怕这两个月把所有证据呈现法庭，托雷斯回避吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q58efe25759a69208f81d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q0947d639c9d0c58d06d6","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":670,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-04-24T02:50:17.123Z","text":"怎么可以一个实体 一个实体的解剖：\nG-club\nH coin(喜交所）\nfarm loans\ndigital bank\nA10\nA15\nTDCCP\nROLF\nROLS \n每个农场\n\n- 这上面的实体， 谁是负人及核心骨干， 谁拿钱了，其投入与支出的帐目\n\n他们与郭的关系，郭拿钱了吗？ 拿了多少","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0947d639c9d0c58d06d6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q3e4e626c6f4683940899","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":671,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-24T02:50:43.001Z","text":"因为检方833把青卖了，之前青们的误导信息和陷害行为，就直接暴露了，压不住第三方提交证据，清醒的只会越来越多","edited":false,"reply_to":"q58efe25759a69208f81d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3e4e626c6f4683940899","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q58efe25759a69208f81d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qab3c0dac81d3c2f43d8b","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":672,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-24T02:53:05.040Z","text":"明白一个点，就好办了\n王，是Gtv saraca的director，两项认罪也是关于GTV洗钱和电信欺诈","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0947d639c9d0c58d06d6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qab3c0dac81d3c2f43d8b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0947d639c9d0c58d06d6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qf74ec729b7c04f76f037","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":673,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-24T02:53:35.736Z","text":"其他几个实体，王沾不上边。\n没收范围已经远超王的involvement，她没有这个决定权利","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf74ec729b7c04f76f037","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qf19588a027d8d33a5e05","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":674,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-04-24T02:56:22.905Z","text":"最后 所有帐目算下来 蛇和燕子，共匪的骨干 犯罪团伙 偷普通战友的钱的 图就出来了。 确实有犯罪行为 但是郭无罪 是那些签了免起诉协议的 犯罪了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf19588a027d8d33a5e05","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qc2ae644c5d4d2bbc910e","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":675,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-24T03:18:15.133Z","text":"你说了一个很好的观点","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0947d639c9d0c58d06d6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc2ae644c5d4d2bbc910e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0947d639c9d0c58d06d6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qa4ea8fe1e92f9c80a5e9","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":676,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-24T03:18:28.792Z","text":"接下去tony有一招绝妙的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa4ea8fe1e92f9c80a5e9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qc07e55019f76530d52e6","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":677,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-04-24T03:29:06.647Z","text":"王同意没收超出范围 这个点目前没有人提及。\n\n这个点还非常大！","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf74ec729b7c04f76f037","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc07e55019f76530d52e6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf74ec729b7c04f76f037","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q359831043b6b11bf13d3","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":678,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-24T03:33:39.704Z","text":"对的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc07e55019f76530d52e6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q359831043b6b11bf13d3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc07e55019f76530d52e6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q7b8beb1e85f9a3091e7c","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":679,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-04-24T03:34:01.903Z","text":"https://x.com/ddivul8m3g82864/status/2047516449284210813?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7b8beb1e85f9a3091e7c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qcca7568bae199365e1bf","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":680,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-24T03:35:35.634Z","text":"［用户 chu***］ 星辰本来到27号，这个项目就可以结束发奖金，这下黄了🤣","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcca7568bae199365e1bf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q83fee13dcab9f80f09bd","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":681,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-24T03:37:49.189Z","text":"这个，如果把王同意的没收范围，推翻\n再想弄喜交所，余就要出面，也可能直接被检方卖掉\n喜交所不没收，盖尔要滚犊子\nhttps://x.com/amos_kp/status/2047131709343478042?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":"q359831043b6b11bf13d3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q83fee13dcab9f80f09bd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q359831043b6b11bf13d3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qb249da399b619d21c903","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":682,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-24T03:40:19.777Z","text":"只要Rico成立，郭就要替王和余的行为背锅，就算他没拿钱","edited":false,"reply_to":"q83fee13dcab9f80f09bd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb249da399b619d21c903","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q83fee13dcab9f80f09bd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qc1c9588d16bdb415fbb0","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":683,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-24T03:40:28.075Z","text":"除非你推翻Rico","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc1c9588d16bdb415fbb0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q2b5a0abc4e7e404aaf34","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":684,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-24T03:40:55.098Z","text":"Rico的重点就是，即使你没拿钱，你的手下都是替你藏钱的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2b5a0abc4e7e404aaf34","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qa99b0b3b812eef2ee0a2","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":685,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-24T03:40:59.968Z","text":"定罪和没收 两码事","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb249da399b619d21c903","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa99b0b3b812eef2ee0a2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb249da399b619d21c903","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q5817d79cccc5f1a447ac","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":686,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-24T03:41:00.337Z","text":"这不是刑民混用吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5817d79cccc5f1a447ac","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q54edffb8ac38a7ef61bd","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":687,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-24T03:41:40.153Z","text":"那喜交所就不能算损失","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa99b0b3b812eef2ee0a2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q54edffb8ac38a7ef61bd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa99b0b3b812eef2ee0a2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qf423273c502539b68611","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":688,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-04-24T03:41:41.687Z","text":"luc那边就是一直在程序倒置的做实这个事。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2b5a0abc4e7e404aaf34","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf423273c502539b68611","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2b5a0abc4e7e404aaf34","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q56ba921ce9f69348ca21","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":689,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-24T03:41:47.187Z","text":"Rico的意思就是，你是最大boss，就算你自己什么坏事也没有亲手干，你也要背锅","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q56ba921ce9f69348ca21","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qeb1a5e83cea44eca7deb","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":690,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-24T03:41:51.199Z","text":"哦","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeb1a5e83cea44eca7deb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q23d4f24dc5e8570ebf05","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":691,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-24T03:41:52.336Z","text":"就是这意思","edited":false,"reply_to":"q54edffb8ac38a7ef61bd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q23d4f24dc5e8570ebf05","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q54edffb8ac38a7ef61bd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q79b61849ff44eff9baf0","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":692,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-24T03:41:52.559Z","text":"可以算","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q79b61849ff44eff9baf0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q6aca14c2cf2195379201","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":693,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-24T03:42:00.029Z","text":"他们签协议了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q23d4f24dc5e8570ebf05","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6aca14c2cf2195379201","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q23d4f24dc5e8570ebf05","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qc51f4ab6fb9a5b390fa0","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":694,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-24T03:42:18.428Z","text":"这就是朱莉安妮用来Rico黑帮老大的法案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc51f4ab6fb9a5b390fa0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q38220f10f1ac64e31f08","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":695,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-24T03:42:45.610Z","text":"他们签协议了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q38220f10f1ac64e31f08","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q9466d65bd6365ec29faa","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":696,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-24T03:43:03.861Z","text":"检方的钱都给luc","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9466d65bd6365ec29faa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url"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当时那个协议的文件","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9db71e90205eb804eebf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qaf0b0f083b2981dd1891","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":709,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-24T03:48:23.991Z","text":"luc涉及欺诈 债权人虚假登记\n债权人 是不是 G集团 真实受益人？\n这个luc必须要证明\n不然alter ego negative","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaf0b0f083b2981dd1891","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qa881fcae8a83c1e2c04c","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":710,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-04-24T03:50:41.454Z","text":"本案的核心点，就是luc在接受拱卒和朱莉娅的债权之前，没有独立证明G enterprise 属于郭。从这个点开始，后面的一切都得推翻。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa881fcae8a83c1e2c04c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qabd86c3977b8ce417452","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":711,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-04-24T03:50:43.748Z","text":"还有60天， 钱的去向解决了， 郭就无罪了。RICO在那个起诉书里开始的 hi mam","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qabd86c3977b8ce417452","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qe271502c8fa223d284c5","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":712,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-04-24T03:50:55.243Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息]","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe271502c8fa223d284c5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qe157a748c58eb265e148","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":713,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-24T03:51:48.119Z","text":"即使钱没有进郭的口袋，按照Rico，他手下都是替他藏钱的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qabd86c3977b8ce417452","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe157a748c58eb265e148","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qabd86c3977b8ce417452","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qbd4894ede7187129e8a7","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":714,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-24T03:52:07.466Z","text":"包括郭美郭强","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbd4894ede7187129e8a7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q5d90fddcb3cd860d5b66","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":715,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-24T03:52:16.136Z","text":"都是他的alter ego","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d90fddcb3cd860d5b66","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q10b89cc187b099110b82","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":716,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-04-24T03:52:29.894Z","text":"但是第三方 否认","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q10b89cc187b099110b82","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q36651be1b9b60b00f940","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":717,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-24T03:52:43.968Z","text":"对 同理 \n登记的郭破产案债权人\n就不能证明是G集团 真实受益人\n债权人-郭-G集团-luc\n中间一环，luc没有举证","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa881fcae8a83c1e2c04c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q36651be1b9b60b00f940","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa881fcae8a83c1e2c04c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qc0f4fac2d2324bf41f27","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":718,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-24T03:52:49.008Z","text":"所以这个案子，还是破产案的程序问题，是最核心的问题","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc0f4fac2d2324bf41f27","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q04e8a89e650e4ca6133b","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":719,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-24T03:53:11.472Z","text":"另外，特别懂得Rico法案的律师，应该能马上看出问题","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q04e8a89e650e4ca6133b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qa65f5b6f02d075019af3","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":720,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-24T03:53:52.762Z","text":"我觉得受害者提交动议，主要是补充灭共演员的罪行","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa65f5b6f02d075019af3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q0e0037f64c9572a74dc1","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":721,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-04-24T03:53:59.620Z","text":"例如我的数字银行投资， 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enterprise 属于郭，然后还虚报投资金额。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc974d0a2e54a5bc413dc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q0d4c5dea3d5fb93f4a77","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":725,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-24T03:58:10.102Z","text":"检方对郭的第三版起诉书，就直接称G enterprise 就是郭家族企业\n这是一开始就扣帽子了 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如果运营没被没收， 专家当时的估值是300倍！\n\n相当一部分luc 债权人 包括我，都是基于这个专家的估值，登记的。但是源于拱卒 Julia。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q74343151fd87699b6945","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qeef89d3d96941885b17c","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":732,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-24T04:00:20.823Z","text":"这种登记本来就是非法的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q74343151fd87699b6945","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeef89d3d96941885b17c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q74343151fd87699b6945","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q4dcdbaef11fe62de89ec","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":733,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-24T04:01:31.756Z","text":"没有举证，就开始登记，属于违法\n郭应该看出来这个猫腻，就顺水推舟，掺沙子","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc974d0a2e54a5bc413dc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4dcdbaef11fe62de89ec","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc974d0a2e54a5bc413dc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q52048577b170208c656f","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":734,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-24T04:01:38.994Z","text":"虽然是luc先接受的，也是非法的。只不过因为luc接受了，郭反对无效，所以郭说你们也可以按照这个登记，他不算妨碍司法，因为他说这个话是有前提的。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q52048577b170208c656f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qbc7039d647275029eb5f","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":735,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-24T04:01:50.713Z","text":"对 是这意思","edited":false,"reply_to":"q52048577b170208c656f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbc7039d647275029eb5f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q52048577b170208c656f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qe7395b3b5b0f8644a141","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":736,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-24T04:02:16.510Z","text":"但是虽然他说这个话不算违法，如果你真的这么做了，我估计也算违法","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe7395b3b5b0f8644a141","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q9752e72df1714d7bbbb1","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":737,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-24T04:02:56.386Z","text":"因为他说话，不等于鼓动，他只是告诉你，你可以这样做，不等于强迫","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9752e72df1714d7bbbb1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q5b10f6d3dc645492af27","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":738,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-04-24T04:02:57.571Z","text":"luc接受拱卒Julia， 并且用来迫害被告 就是司法欺诈。luc 是什么人？ 7千万花了， 3年了 为什么不说这320亿的虚假？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5b10f6d3dc645492af27","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qe5998f1e1b0f182f08a8","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":739,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-24T04:03:58.672Z","text":"后面破产案，HCHK债权人反对luc，和这次青让债权人去反对luc，都是想跳过举证郭掌控G enterprise，这个环节","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc974d0a2e54a5bc413dc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe5998f1e1b0f182f08a8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc974d0a2e54a5bc413dc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qfcadf9601fd2c38a5b51","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":740,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-24T04:04:26.803Z","text":"Luc接受虚假登记，是卢克违法","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5b10f6d3dc645492af27","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfcadf9601fd2c38a5b51","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5b10f6d3dc645492af27","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q3b84c63feaa40eceee2b","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":741,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-24T04:04:36.401Z","text":"至少算是失职","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3b84c63feaa40eceee2b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qcb686f3f6ad4fb0bee97","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":742,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-24T04:05:07.182Z","text":"郭说你们也可以登记，他说是有前提的，而且他只是说了，不等于你一定要去做","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcb686f3f6ad4fb0bee97","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qb6182d255562e5d7bef9","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":743,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-24T04:05:32.176Z","text":"真正手把手教战友做的是联盟农场","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb6182d255562e5d7bef9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qe5040d7c53cf37abeef9","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":744,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-24T04:06:50.171Z","text":"另外当时郭说的是，如果有战友信仰不坚定，对投资不放心，你可以去登记债权人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe5040d7c53cf37abeef9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qd8b8308dc88d7bb3e64d","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":745,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-24T04:07:14.939Z","text":"他没说你登记就是好战友，不登记就不是战友，他没有这么说","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd8b8308dc88d7bb3e64d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qf323a6b4864f8436a5cd","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":746,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-24T04:11:19.930Z","text":"联盟农场扭曲了郭的话，鼓动了一群战友去登记债权人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf323a6b4864f8436a5cd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q460f442514267320e36b","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":747,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-24T04:11:56.965Z","text":"包括抗议卢克也是，郭说他反对，联盟农场扭曲他的话，组织人抗议","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q460f442514267320e36b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q635c4aa6b9f09b37396e","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":748,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-24T04:12:29.266Z","text":"联盟农场打着郭的名义做了不知道多少事","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q635c4aa6b9f09b37396e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q51d9b17d9e63bf9810c3","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":749,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-24T04:14:17.571Z","text":"检方从来不说清楚，就是非常模糊，让你猜猜猜","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0d4c5dea3d5fb93f4a77","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q51d9b17d9e63bf9810c3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0d4c5dea3d5fb93f4a77","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q1dff13cddcf164b05284","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":750,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-24T04:14:25.501Z","text":"这种做事方式很中国","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1dff13cddcf164b05284","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qf6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enterprise 属于债务人后，luc才能把这一欺诈转移写入破产案？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe5998f1e1b0f182f08a8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q90bc687090eef000979b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe5998f1e1b0f182f08a8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qcfec00cf5f9336018d6e","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":755,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-24T04:25:44.293Z","text":"没有登记债权人的投资者可以去刑事庭，根据法官之前说的妨碍司法虚假索赔，反对债权人分钱","edited":false,"reply_to":"q90bc687090eef000979b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcfec00cf5f9336018d6e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q90bc687090eef000979b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qc66ba80bdf564c348dd6","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":756,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-24T04:26:00.299Z","text":"债权人登记的合法性本来就很有问题","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc66ba80bdf564c348dd6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qe367359573c54472aa46","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":757,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-04-24T04:27:32.440Z","text":"债权人登记的合法性， Luc 检方最清楚。他们咋不打这个牌呢？ 🤔","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe367359573c54472aa46","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q5d33e8938e364faafacb","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":758,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-04-24T04:28:27.281Z","text":"检方 luc 3年了， 还在含糊其辞 到底掩盖什么？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d33e8938e364faafacb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q90f2b835b1abcaf9e0c8","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":759,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-04-24T04:28:38.350Z","text":"我这个地方是想说叫床兰等是在作伪证，怎么把这个路径给捋出来。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcfec00cf5f9336018d6e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q90f2b835b1abcaf9e0c8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcfec00cf5f9336018d6e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q75e413d027b018b045cc","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":760,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-24T04:28:54.896Z","text":"用常识和逻辑想一下，郭在直播里都说了，公族Julia是虚假登记债权人，想搞他，那他怎么可能鼓励真正的战友去登记呢？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q75e413d027b018b045cc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q1e67f24818e709f12892","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":761,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-24T04:29:08.274Z","text":"他鼓励战友去搞他自己？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1e67f24818e709f12892","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qc1d8568918919cd52557","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":762,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-24T04:29:13.273Z","text":"这根本就不合理","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc1d8568918919cd52557","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q2fdce26a79a5948b0e1c","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":763,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-04-24T04:29:36.793Z","text":"民事案， 如果有人说我欠他钱， 我会说： 滚！ 证据呢？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2fdce26a79a5948b0e1c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q47a22502729ed1be71e5","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":764,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-04-24T04:30:18.034Z","text":"就这么简单， luc 完全可以说 你不合规。滚","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q47a22502729ed1be71e5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q7f60bd320ddea0118f03","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":765,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-24T04:30:38.036Z","text":"所以整个案子就是荒唐，完全没有常识","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7f60bd320ddea0118f03","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q647b1ae18f978c63098c","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":766,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-24T04:31:00.758Z","text":"之所以能成立，是因为中国人的脑子和一般人不太一样","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q647b1ae18f978c63098c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q947fd60098bbbfbb9635","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":767,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-24T04:31:08.261Z","text":"缺乏逻辑和常识","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q947fd60098bbbfbb9635","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q66b9012bad5e3fc6a617","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":768,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-24T04:31:15.465Z","text":"只听联盟农场","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q66b9012bad5e3fc6a617","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qcd030efdb0d41a3d49d1","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":769,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-24T04:31:21.596Z","text":"对啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"q90bc687090eef000979b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcd030efdb0d41a3d49d1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q90bc687090eef000979b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q2f8e0218d8d5434d11ed","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":770,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-24T04:31:29.682Z","text":"就是我说的那个环节 luc跳过了中间一环","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2f8e0218d8d5434d11ed","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q455f31e874970ef9d829","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":771,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-24T04:32:54.505Z","text":"青们现在干的，不就是把投资者往破产庭引 引向民事案 帮luc的虚假登记 洗白\n不希望投资者成为刑事案第三方 这部分证据，到了刑事案，才对郭有帮助，去了民事案，就是石沉大海，废了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcfec00cf5f9336018d6e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q455f31e874970ef9d829","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcfec00cf5f9336018d6e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qffad09cb3810ef6db33e","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":772,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-24T04:36:21.547Z","text":"不敢打 郭因为鼓动债权人虚假登记，已经被判了\n检方如果拿这个事儿出来，luc就惨了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe367359573c54472aa46","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qffad09cb3810ef6db33e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe367359573c54472aa46","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q2fe669ca3e4cdd803d4b","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":773,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-24T04:37:31.309Z","text":"掺沙子\n不管luc葫芦里卖的什么药 和他对着干 准没错","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc1d8568918919cd52557","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2fe669ca3e4cdd803d4b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc1d8568918919cd52557","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q5d485b6b3e3954f1db1f","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":774,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-04-24T04:38:39.911Z","text":"所以现在各个骨干 的所作所为 就是为了给luc 司法欺诈拖套","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d485b6b3e3954f1db1f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qdb748dcb16d751c6b2fb","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":775,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-24T04:38:51.652Z","text":"作伪证很难证明，除非你有证据推翻证词","edited":false,"reply_to":"q90f2b835b1abcaf9e0c8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdb748dcb16d751c6b2fb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q90f2b835b1abcaf9e0c8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q770f4104d8b574dfce13","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":776,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-24T04:39:14.792Z","text":"因为每一个人他对事件的解读感觉是不一样的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q770f4104d8b574dfce13","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qe8bee3e7b670a5702501","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":777,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-24T04:39:30.643Z","text":"木兰就觉得郭指挥她做事","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe8bee3e7b670a5702501","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qdd7f5351a41a42139cd7","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":778,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-24T04:39:36.911Z","text":"你能怎么说？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdd7f5351a41a42139cd7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q31bf3b8bff414c9ac8f0","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":779,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-24T04:40:10.100Z","text":"木兰就觉得郭是她老板","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q31bf3b8bff414c9ac8f0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qa28ed6ce975ce27a2d14","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":780,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-24T04:40:16.106Z","text":"你怎么反驳","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa28ed6ce975ce27a2d14","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q434f2c014ed997145d13","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":781,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-04-24T04:41:03.945Z","text":"说明她做假证","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q434f2c014ed997145d13","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q8f414dbadf84c02a89f8","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":782,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-24T04:41:14.720Z","text":"你只能指出她说错的事实","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8f414dbadf84c02a89f8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q830012a122b0aad0b001","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":783,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-24T04:41:25.957Z","text":"可以质疑\n阿刁这里就帮了大忙🤣\n又是认罪书 又是故事情节被威胁","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8f414dbadf84c02a89f8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q830012a122b0aad0b001","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8f414dbadf84c02a89f8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qb470c4f92750063340f4","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":784,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-04-24T04:44:23.907Z","text":"就说证词不可靠。在没有单独证明G enterprise 之前，你到破产受托人那里承认自己是替债务人欺诈转移，这属于对破产受托人虚假陈述，你在破产法庭虚假陈述，那在南区法院的陈述自然不可靠。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa28ed6ce975ce27a2d14","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb470c4f92750063340f4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa28ed6ce975ce27a2d14","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q66bf219b1ab92032279d","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":785,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-24T04:46:25.042Z","text":"只能说证词不可靠，但是庭审时律师已经质疑了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb470c4f92750063340f4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q66bf219b1ab92032279d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb470c4f92750063340f4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qce8711991cda42340b25","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":786,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-24T04:46:38.261Z","text":"根本没用，陪审团还是判了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qce8711991cda42340b25","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qfc68e22cc726cc1d1538","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":787,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-24T04:47:52.691Z","text":"黄老师 快被螺丝哥绕晕了🤣 🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfc68e22cc726cc1d1538","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qe36edae8a2bee2533bb0","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":788,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-24T04:48:35.444Z","text":"当时没用 因为那时候 王案没判 没涉及没收\n破产案luc 还没有进来刑事案","edited":false,"reply_to":"qce8711991cda42340b25","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe36edae8a2bee2533bb0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qce8711991cda42340b25","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q884140cf42b4fd985b07","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":789,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-04-24T04:49:01.940Z","text":"重点在于，在没有单独证明G enterprise属于被告之前，它们把自己偷钱的行为说成是替债务人欺诈转移，呈现给南区法院的陪审团，就是伪证。至少是因果倒置。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q884140cf42b4fd985b07","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qb55f3f81e8840a84c997","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":790,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-24T04:52:43.172Z","text":"王案确认没收范围后 luc进来 要拿钱 就必须证明破产案里的 郭alter ego G enterprise","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb55f3f81e8840a84c997","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q3be73cf05057255dc674","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":791,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-24T04:53:13.252Z","text":"luc鸡贼的地方 就是从民事案进到刑事案 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[删节：成员身份]闯祸了","edited":true,"reply_to":"qded0dccdd72b14316f6d","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3ddef2607016d5213b47","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q656438eea30da0c98454","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":793,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-24T05:04:31.733Z","text":"这期节目","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q656438eea30da0c98454","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"qf087ab98566f660d9362","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":794,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-24T05:04:36.172Z","text":"我估计[删节：成员身份]完蛋了","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf087ab98566f660d9362","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000104"},{"id":"q0f44476f4a8b17917873","batch_id":"batch-000104","seq":795,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-24T05:05:47.434Z","text":"破产案luc扣帽子 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