{"id":"batch-000106","number":106,"revision":1,"date_start":"2026-04-26T15:23:08.151Z","date_end":"2026-04-29T06:45:45.100Z","total_messages":1000,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 106 (Apr 26, 2026 – Apr 29, 2026), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Discussion centered on interwoven procedural and substantive disputes. Participants argued whether alleged translation, disclosure, and evidence flaws could overturn outcomes; whether to prioritize second-appeal steps such as record reservations versus broader merits attacks; and whether forfeiture, bankruptcy, and alter-ego theories could reframe liability for assets. They also disputed victim-status strategy and moderation norms, while the thread expanded from case doctrine into governance conflict and AI/media/political narrative speculation around the parties. Community statements, not court findings.","guide_en":[{"title":"Truth of the “sit in jail for you” framing and procedural-injustice claims remain contested","description":"Participants argued and disputed whether prosecutors were exploiting the “sit in jail for you” framing, and whether alleged process defects were a decisive path to acquittal or merely one side’s narrative claim. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qf54bcae7c4e4d9bde8db","qab50b82fad4653478759","q963f2115f2ad2df9e9ec"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qf54bcae7c4e4d9bde8db","summary_en":"A participant asked if prosecutors were using the “sit in jail for you” phrase as a tactical narrative, contesting how much weight that claim should carry. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qab50b82fad4653478759","summary_en":"Another participant recounted a prior case where missing Chinese translation during search was treated as severe procedure injustice and suggested that deleted or failed recording evidence can collapse a prosecution even when substantive allegations existed. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q963f2115f2ad2df9e9ec","summary_en":"A participant confirmed the prosecution-use concern existed, sustaining the split over motive and impact. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Charging paper and evidence defect review: translation gaps, video, Brady, and disclosure disputes","description":"Participants contended that translation omissions, missing recordings, and disclosure allegations were being positioned as review issues, with disagreement over how far these claims should drive immediate litigation decisions. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qef885c98924b5df8b119","q1122f3cc04d7f9aef1d8","q292318112f72a021d151"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qef885c98924b5df8b119","summary_en":"A participant argued that procedural injustice claims must be handled in the second appellate cycle rather than deferred. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q1122f3cc04d7f9aef1d8","summary_en":"Another participant pointed to a judicial delay as what they viewed as evidence of a procedural problem. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q292318112f72a021d151","summary_en":"A participant reported that the defense was claiming the prosecution lacked proof that the defendant directed money transfers, framing this as a key evidentiary gap. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Second-review strategy disputes: split motions, stay opposition, new counsel service, and timing","description":"Participants contended that second-appeal sequencing was central, with some arguing for immediate record steps and stay opposition and others challenging what issues could actually be aired in the Southern District phase. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q0ce524d15e5023cb3a14","qc3d8260f3c35fca3be3e","q4ebbb30543c09319f7ca"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q0ce524d15e5023cb3a14","summary_en":"A participant argued the priority was restoring factual truth by June 29 with a hoped outcome of acquittal. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qc3d8260f3c35fca3be3e","summary_en":"Another participant disputed the ability to fully litigate in that posture, saying the appellate phase only allowed preserved records and expression of opposition. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q4ebbb30543c09319f7ca","summary_en":"A participant asked whether, even without filing new uploads, counsel could still make a record-only reservation for the second review. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Litigation-split: pursue immediate contestable nodes versus waiting and targeting pre-sentencing review issues","description":"Participants argued over whether there is one practical route, with some insisting on immediate tactical moves and others advocating a staged, evidence-timed approach before broader merits expansion. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q0d0d6a3d06a392e80687","q1a4ca681709893b60a0a","q15faa8405b167a467ac5"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q0d0d6a3d06a392e80687","summary_en":"A participant claimed there was only one viable litigation road at that moment. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q1a4ca681709893b60a0a","summary_en":"Another participant asserted that Guo should be imprisoned. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q15faa8405b167a467ac5","summary_en":"A participant argued that direct evidence submission to the judge at the right moment could trigger a reversal, suggesting a timing-first strategy. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Victim status and third-party route: losses first or victim statements first","description":"Participants contended over whether to start with loss quantification and property harm or rely on victim declarations to alter posture, and they disputed whether third-party self-initiated claims could be recast as victim narratives. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q5367e4d27b83aa6c84c2","q5e598c2f29915cbc8b96","q34241f774bdc008cdd6e"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q5367e4d27b83aa6c84c2","summary_en":"A participant questioned why only 50 true victims were cited while 134 victim statements appeared, noting DOJ references to document 833 and an Apr 22 2026 filing context with a possible rise to 226. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q5e598c2f29915cbc8b96","summary_en":"A participant argued prosecutors may label self-prosecution actors as conspirators, so submitting additional victim statements could both weaken that claim and potentially support higher sentencing. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q34241f774bdc008cdd6e","summary_en":"A participant asked whether the self-complaint path was beneficial or harmful to Guo, disputing its strategic utility. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Forfeiture and bankruptcy overlap: Wang plea, remission scope, and “733” effects","description":"Participants contended about how forfeiture and bankruptcy interact, with disputes over Wang’s plea chronology, asset scope including GTV/Tony, and whether the position after “733” weakened prosecution leverage. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q2803de67624f52471d71","qf52af8768041bd3d9479","q59ce6a651f1b5db3806d"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q2803de67624f52471d71","summary_en":"A participant argued that Wang’s U.S. fraud plea came after Tony and therefore related investment characterizations should be read by domestic legal framing. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf52af8768041bd3d9479","summary_en":"Another participant claimed Wang’s plea arrangement was flawed and that consensual forfeiture covering GTV, including Tony, should be overturned. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q59ce6a651f1b5db3806d","summary_en":"A participant asserted the prosecution position was substantially weakened after “733,” reflecting a disputed assessment of momentum. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Financial chain and accountability boundary: Mahwah, ACA/Mahua, alter ego, and common-entity claims","description":"Participants argued over whether Mahwah/Taurus status, ACA/Mahua-related entities, and alter-ego theories could be used to attribute liability across entities, and how these moves might support later review arguments. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q1a24ff5cfac2a3cb1cd3","q90d60d3ddb999f9f1648","q62388d29252ab67cfb8b"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q1a24ff5cfac2a3cb1cd3","summary_en":"A participant said the question of whether the Mahwah Taurus company is Guo’s alter ego was still pending into sentencing. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q90d60d3ddb999f9f1648","summary_en":"Another participant cited a Torres-confirmed G enterprise judgment and argued Luc might use it to push ACA CAPITAL entities as the defendant’s alter egos, asking Manning to certify them as debtor alter egos. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q62388d29252ab67cfb8b","summary_en":"A participant contended that if tony-related CCP files were introduced, new evidence could justify retrial, tying financial-chaining arguments to future evidentiary openings. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Group identity and role labels: allies, opponents, centrists, and the “making enemies” dispute","description":"Participants disputed how to treat members who shared goals but used different methods, and whether criticism reflected strategic disagreement or hostile labeling between allied and adversarial blocs. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q3c459838b7942858ce00","q213762bcfd68bc634b66","q29ded4a69b700e652950"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q3c459838b7942858ce00","summary_en":"A participant argued that someone was also “sitting in jail” for the coalition, supporting a broader blame attribution. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q213762bcfd68bc634b66","summary_en":"Another participant claimed shared goals with differing methods do not make all opponents enemies, urging participants to ignore noise and avoid infighting. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q29ded4a69b700e652950","summary_en":"A participant disputed the relevance of political labeling, saying the group was not an electoral political actor and that “middle camps” were not inherently linked. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Evidence retention and information integrity: clipping, timeline contamination, and backup disputes","description":"Participants argued that mass reposting and clipping could contaminate chronology, and they disputed whether current preservation practices were adequate to defend against manipulated timelines in AI workflows. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q5a0a82e2701379ef9c10","q55d322e31deabfdafb85"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q5a0a82e2701379ef9c10","summary_en":"A participant explained that repeated daily clipping and forwarding of livestream clips can pollute AI timelines and make online archives unreliable without strict timeline review. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q55d322e31deabfdafb85","summary_en":"Another participant thanked another member for identifying a timeline gap, and the group treated that as evidence-supportive for chain-of-custody concerns. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Prosecutorial motive and faction speculation: incompetence claims versus tactical feed theories","description":"Participants disputed whether the prosecution’s approach reflected institutional weakness, strategic feeding of legal pressure, or the effects of AI acceleration, with competing claims about who is advantaged by errors. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q9834606415db18d02658","qfa967dce1fa1340d5d96","q8b531c3ff66cfd860711"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q9834606415db18d02658","summary_en":"A participant contended the prosecution showed severe quality gaps and repeated mistakes. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qfa967dce1fa1340d5d96","summary_en":"Another participant argued the prosecution’s conduct appeared to be artificially assisting Torres rather than being a neutral pursuit, framing it as tactical misdirection. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q8b531c3ff66cfd860711","summary_en":"A participant claimed the key dispute was institutional adaptability, arguing that AI made newer actors highly effective and narrowed the gap between parties. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Community governance and moderation: rule enforcement, anti-snitching norms, and silencing dynamics","description":"Participants contended over rule use and enforcement, balancing anti-labeling, anti-spy commitments against perceptions of suppression, with disagreement on when moderation protects order versus silences dissent. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q7138130581407cd30ccc","q57b47cc4b483f6e7a54e","q625e2939cccf5401fd88"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q7138130581407cd30ccc","summary_en":"A participant posted group rules requiring case-topic focus, repeated-warning escalation, room restrictions for rule-breakers, and anti-reentry enforcement. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q57b47cc4b483f6e7a54e","summary_en":"Another participant reiterated the anti-defamation rule against “snitch” or false label accusations such as “fake ally,” reinforcing moderation boundaries. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q625e2939cccf5401fd88","summary_en":"A participant claimed a large alliance channel moved them into an ad-only room and interpreted that restriction as fear-driven silencing of case discussion. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Narrative extension to external force theories: AI amplification, media scale, and election framing","description":"Participants argued that legal discussion was increasingly projected into a broader narrative of AI forces, media amplification, and political maneuvering, disputing whether those framings clarified strategy or distracted from case evidence. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q4b73e6dc2efd79e2d0c1","qf1b96eb5b1627316d48d","qcff1a3256225156881c7"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q4b73e6dc2efd79e2d0c1","summary_en":"A participant claimed opposing actors were visibly panicking, a sentiment used to explain the shift in discourse intensity. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf1b96eb5b1627316d48d","summary_en":"A participant argued that current competition depends on effective AI-compute integration, extending the debate toward capability asymmetry. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qcff1a3256225156881c7","summary_en":"A participant alleged a behind-the-scenes figure linked to a midterm election, framing the dispute as politically entangled. Community statements, not court findings."}]}],"summary":"讨论主要围绕三条主线展开：其一，是否存在程序或实质不公，围绕“替你们坐牢”表述、证据缺陷、Brady/取证披露与起诉书瑕疵持续争辩；其二，二巡、stay、受害者身份和第三方诉讼路径的程序策略分歧，部分成员主张先打可操作节点、先争可审查问题，另一些坚持聚焦实体全盘对质。其三，围绕财产没收与破产衔接（含Mahwah、alter ego、王案与郭案关系）及资金流向出现身份归责争议。与此同时，群内还延伸到组织归属、言论边界、证据留存、外部势力与政治化解读，显示讨论从法理辩题逐步向社群治理与舆论扩散并行演进。","guide":[{"title":"“替你们坐牢”真伪与“程序不正义”主张持续分歧","message_ids":["qf54bcae7c4e4d9bde8db","qab50b82fad4653478759","q963f2115f2ad2df9e9ec"]},{"title":"起诉书与证据瑕疪被拿来审视：翻译缺失、录像、Brady与披露争议","message_ids":["qef885c98924b5df8b119","q1122f3cc04d7f9aef1d8","q292318112f72a021d151"]},{"title":"二巡程序路径争论：分流、反对stay、是否需serve新检方律师与时机判断","message_ids":["q0ce524d15e5023cb3a14","qc3d8260f3c35fca3be3e","q4ebbb30543c09319f7ca"]},{"title":"诉讼策略分化：即时争诉讼节点与等待二巡、是否先争“量刑前可审查事项”","message_ids":["q0d0d6a3d06a392e80687","q1a4ca681709893b60a0a","q15faa8405b167a467ac5"]},{"title":"受害者资格与第三方途径：先从损失金额和财产受损入手or以受害者陈述重构角色","message_ids":["q5367e4d27b83aa6c84c2","q5e598c2f29915cbc8b96","q34241f774bdc008cdd6e"]},{"title":"没收与破产交叉争议：王认罪、财产范围、remission及luc在破产庭推进的可行性","message_ids":["q2803de67624f52471d71","qf52af8768041bd3d9479","q59ce6a651f1b5db3806d"]},{"title":"财务链条与追责边界：Mahwah、ACA/Mahua、alter 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自诉 就是让司法回归到正常秩序","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3c1d89d47a7069da9c6c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q4771ce7280d41640668a","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":602,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-28T04:43:38.866Z","text":"还原了真相以后，如果被告是无罪的，他自然就会出来","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4771ce7280d41640668a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q29b4f87c0ae45fa34045","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":603,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-28T04:43:50.091Z","text":"你管郭是不是诈骗犯","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q29b4f87c0ae45fa34045","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q1ed959b8954270ae57b1","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":604,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-28T04:43:53.484Z","text":"谁有罪谁进去","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1ed959b8954270ae57b1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q2a9fd59dc0de19ab935c","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":605,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-28T04:43:57.001Z","text":"是的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2a9fd59dc0de19ab935c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q09993546c1a759154bd9","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":606,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-28T04:44:25.950Z","text":"如果还原真相之后，发现被告真的有罪，那也没办法","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q09993546c1a759154bd9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"qaf509a2518adde55195c","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":607,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-28T04:44:54.589Z","text":"不过战友肯定还是相信郭没有做犯法的事情的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaf509a2518adde55195c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q94c9827c157d0790527e","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":608,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-04-28T04:45:57.631Z","text":"他用联盟农场这些人不知道会不会带责任","edited":false,"reply_to":"qaf509a2518adde55195c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q94c9827c157d0790527e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaf509a2518adde55195c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q5d4506da1311783f6354","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":609,"speaker":"lui***","date":"2026-04-28T04:46:55.355Z","text":"我相信郭先生在這些案件中太乾淨了，要釣魚說不定需要故意露一些破綻","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d4506da1311783f6354","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"qc314c3410b085ec968c8","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":610,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-04-28T04:48:22.255Z","text":"好，这份就是检方对这几份 stay（暂停量刑）+ mandamus（强制令） 的正式反击文件。我给你分三层讲：核心结论 → 结构总结 → 关键点评（含你关心的点）\n\n⸻\n\n🧾 一句话核心结论（检方立场）\n\n👉 全部反对，理由很简单：你们“没资格 + 没必要 + 没损害”  \n\n⸻\n\n📊 一、这份文件在干什么（结构）\n\n这是一个标准的：\nOpposition to Stay Pending Mandamus\n\n逻辑非常典型，分三步：\n\n⸻\n\n① 先讲背景（给法官“定调”）\n\n检方做了三件事：\n\n回顾案件（起诉 → 审判 → 定罪）\n强调：\n    👉 已经判决（2024年7月）\n    👉 量刑拖了两年（不断延期）\n强调一个重点：\n    👉 现在再拖 = 不合理\n\n📌 这是铺垫“公众利益”那一段的\n\n⸻\n\n② 再“框死你们身份”\n\n这是整份文件最关键的地方👇\n\n检方反复强调：\n\n👉 你们是 nonparty（非当事人）  \n\n然后引出三点：\n\n✔ 1. 非当事人 → 没资格干预量刑\n\n不能挑战：\nloss calculation（损失计算）\nguideline（量刑标准）\n\n⸻\n\n✔ 2. CVRA 权利被“严格缩小解释”\n\n检方说：\n\n👉 你们最多只有：\n\n在量刑时发言的权利\n\n👉 但没有：\n\n无限提交材料的权利\n干预程序的权利\n\n⸻\n\n✔ 3. forfeiture（没收）问题被“推迟处理”\n\n检方直接说：\n\n👉 现在谈这些：\n\n还没成熟（not ripe）\n\n👉 正确路径是：\n\n量刑之后 → ancillary proceeding（附带程序）  \n\n⸻\n\n③ 最后套用“Stay 四要素”直接击杀\n\n标准四项测试（Nken test）：\n要素/检方说法：\n成功可能性    ❌ 基本为零\n不可弥补损害    ❌ 没有\n对他人影响❌ 会伤害其他受害者\n公共利益        ❌ 反对延期\n\n👉 结论：全部不满足 → 必须驳回\n\n⸻\n\n⚔️ 二、检方最狠的几刀（你要看懂）\n\n我给你挑重点👇\n\n⸻\n\n🔥 1. “你们可能根本不是受害者”\n\n这句非常关键：\n\n👉 你们没有具体说明自己损失\n👉 反而更像“支持郭的人”  \n\n👉 这其实是在做：\n\n⚠️ 身份打击（最致命）\n\n⸻\n\n🔥 2. 直接引用你们的话反杀\n\n例如：\n\n有人否认自己是受害者\n有人说只是“程序性引用CVRA”\n\n👉 检方结论：\n\n那你到底是不是 victim？\n如果不是 → CVRA不适用\n\n⸻\n\n🔥 3. 把你们行为定性为：\n\n👉 干扰 / 拖延 / 滥用程序\n\n例如：\n\n“大量提交”\n“无关问题”\n“试图延长案件”\n\n👉 这在法官眼里是非常负面的标签\n\n⸻\n\n🔥 4. 把“你们的目标”重新定义\n\n检方说：\n\n👉 你们不是在维权\n👉 而是在：\n\n“challenge and prolong prosecution”  \n\n👉 翻译成人话：\n\n👉 你们是在帮郭拖案子\n\n⸻\n\n🔥 5. 公众利益这刀很重\n\n检方说：\n\n👉 受害者已经等了几年\n👉 不能再拖了\n👉 “justice delayed = justice denied”  \n\n👉 这句话对法官影响很大\n\n⸻\n\n🧠 三、对你们这边的实际意义（实话版）\n\n我直接讲，不绕：\n\n⸻\n\n❗ 1. stay 基本没戏\n\n这份文件已经把：\n\n法律框架\n程序逻辑\n政策理由\n\n👉 全部堵死了\n\n👉 除非极端情况，否则：\n\n👉 ❌ 二巡不会给 stay\n\n⸻\n\n❗ 2. 检方真正怕的不是 stay\n\n而是：\n\n👉 record（记录）被留下\n\n所以他们做的是：\n\n👉 限制你们进入记录\n\n⸻\n\n❗ 3. 你们现在真正有效的路径是：\n\n✔ 不是 stop sentencing\n\n而是：\n\n👉 record preservation（记录保存）\n\n👉 Jason 那条线，其实更聪明\n\n⸻\n\n❗ 4. 你之前那句话是对的\n\n你说：\n\n“结构性问题”\n\n👉 检方其实已经在反击这个点：\n\n说你们没资格谈\n说你们不属于当事人\n\n⸻\n\n🧠 四、我给你一个更深一层的判断\n\n这份文件透露一个很重要的信息：\n\n⸻\n\n👉 检方的核心策略是：\n\n① 压缩你们的法律身份\n\n👉 nonparty\n\n② 切断你们的程序入口\n\n👉 不让你们进入 docket\n\n③ 推迟你们的权利\n\n👉 全部丢到 forfeiture 后面\n\n⸻\n\n🔥 五、一句话点评（给你最核心的）\n\n👉 这份文件本质上是在说：\n\n👉 “你们现在说的任何话，都不应该影响量刑”","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc314c3410b085ec968c8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q7cd28f959abec24466e0","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":611,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-04-28T04:48:24.367Z","text":"我是无辜第三方。我的钱被检方扣押 被[删节：成员身份]挥霍 还要捂我的嘴啥也别说 还要我指控没拿我一分钱的人， 这是什么？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7cd28f959abec24466e0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q99082ba0249b7d832ae8","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":612,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-04-28T04:51:28.547Z","text":"看瑞恩如何反击他。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc314c3410b085ec968c8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q99082ba0249b7d832ae8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc314c3410b085ec968c8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q9ca6096f4a409f995d40","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":613,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-04-28T04:53:52.656Z","text":"检方的任务紧急呀。奥巴马之流在被收网中。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ca6096f4a409f995d40","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"qb346194b75a7853cbd85","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":614,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-04-28T04:54:55.398Z","text":"他们想快判郭， 赶在深层政府/叛国者被起诉之前","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb346194b75a7853cbd85","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"qab51263de6d99b224869","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":615,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-28T05:29:29.397Z","text":"瑞恩要打爆检方了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q99082ba0249b7d832ae8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qab51263de6d99b224869","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q99082ba0249b7d832ae8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"qf44afe3085193299f53e","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":616,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-04-28T05:31:05.850Z","text":"问：你认为那是假的，对吗？\n答：是的。\n问：你也认为他认为那是真的，对吗？\n费根森律师说：反对，问题形式不当。\n法官说：反对有效。\n问：你希望这3800万美元归破产受托人所有，对吗？\n费根森律师说：反对。\n法官说：你可以回答。\n答：对不起，你能重复一下吗？\n问：你希望这3800万美元归破产受托人所有，对吗？\n答：不是我想要的，而是因为已经有禁制令了。\n问：所以你认为这笔钱归破产受托人是正确的，对吗？\n费根森律师说：已经问过并回答过。\n施洛夫律师说：实际上，她还没有回答。\n法官说：你可以回答。\n答：你能再说一遍吗？\n施洛夫律师说：很抱歉打扰你，但你能再读一遍问题吗？\n（记录被读出）\n答：是的，这是对的。\n问：HAA是H-C-H-K的债权人之一，对吗？\n答：不是。\n问：HAA借钱给H-C-H-K，对吗？\n这里的这个禁制令，应该不是luc指控债务人鼓动债权人登记违反的那个禁制令，对破产案有研究的，可以看一下这个禁制令长什么样。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf44afe3085193299f53e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"qc0882f0877cdbdb1dfce","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":617,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-28T05:39:56.494Z","text":"https://x.com/karlalice77/status/2048923609226268831?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc0882f0877cdbdb1dfce","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q8d65c47c4ea6c178f1ce","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":618,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-28T06:13:56.013Z","text":"检方说的是错的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8d65c47c4ea6c178f1ce","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q9e365fef8095a9929121","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":619,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-28T06:14:12.143Z","text":"都有别的案例法","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e365fef8095a9929121","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"qbcf1d6b4ee67dbb77a21","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":620,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-28T06:14:36.659Z","text":"你看瑞恩怎么反","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbcf1d6b4ee67dbb77a21","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q370998908dfda6734d7e","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":621,"speaker":"lui***","date":"2026-04-28T06:44:39.253Z","text":"查了一下：CVRA 只保護你「作為受害者被聽取」的權利，不保護政治宣言。檢方和法官最反感的就是把量刑程序變成政治舞台。這很可能讓你的整封信被打折扣，甚至影響郭先生量刑時的整體印象。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q370998908dfda6734d7e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q6d5e05995ee92f1bad7b","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":622,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-04-28T06:47:35.250Z","text":"我被听取了啊？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6d5e05995ee92f1bad7b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"qe34645d6eb00c8bf5208","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":623,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-04-28T06:49:35.776Z","text":"CVRA没有其他权利了啊？  ［用户 lui***］","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe34645d6eb00c8bf5208","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q334e8b60af364cf14095","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":624,"speaker":"lui***","date":"2026-04-28T07:15:26.499Z","text":"1. Restitution（完整及時的賠償權）\n•  法律條文：CVRA 第 (a)(6) 項 — “The right to full and timely restitution as provided in law.”（有權獲得法律所規定的完整及時賠償）。 law.cornell.edu \n•  意思：你有權要求法院命令被告（郭先生）支付金錢，補償你因犯罪（本案為詐欺、洗錢等）而遭受的實際經濟損失（actual loss，例如投資本金、利息、相關費用）。\n•  實際運作：\n    •  聯邦法院在量刑時會考慮 Mandatory Victims Restitution Act (MVRA) 等法律，計算受害者總損失。\n    •  法院可命令被告直接付給受害者，或透過沒收資產（forfeiture）後分配。\n    •  即使被告沒錢，賠償令仍會存在（可持續 20 年），未來若被告有資產即可執行。\n    •  限制：如果受害者人數太多（本案數千投資者），或計算太複雜，法院可能不強制 100% 全額賠償，或推到後續的「附帶程序」（ancillary proceeding）處理。\n對你的意義：如果你是真實投資受害者，可在 Victim Impact Statement 中明確提出自己的損失金額與證據，要求法院納入 restitution order。這是 CVRA 中最「實質」的權利之一。\n2. Confer with Prosecutor（與檢方合理商議權）\n•  法律條文：CVRA 第 (a)(5) 項 — “The reasonable right to confer with the attorney for the Government in the case.”（有合理權利與政府律師商議）。 law.cornell.edu \n•  意思：你有權與負責本案的聯邦檢察官（SDNY 的 Assistant U.S. Attorneys）合理討論案件相關事項，包括：\n    •  提供你掌握的證據或資訊（例如你的投資細節、與 GTV 的通訊）。\n    •  了解案件進度、認罪協議、量刑建議等。\n    •  表達你對量刑、賠償或沒收的意見。\n•  實際限制：\n    •  這是「合理」（reasonable）的權利，不是無限次、無限內容的談話。檢方仍有起訴裁量權（prosecutorial discretion），你不能強迫他們改變起訴策略、增加/減少指控。\n    •  檢方通常會透過 Victim Witness Coordinator（受害者證人協調員）處理這類聯繫。\n    •  不能用來要求「機密資訊」或干預正在進行的調查/審判。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q334e8b60af364cf14095","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"qc0d48669a5842ab908e0","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":625,"speaker":"lui***","date":"2026-04-28T07:16:02.408Z","text":"這兩項權力是個人會去申請嗎？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc0d48669a5842ab908e0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q141d78ee2f65f7b7591b","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":626,"speaker":"lui***","date":"2026-04-28T07:16:29.225Z","text":"申請這兩項權力的還是人嗎？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q141d78ee2f65f7b7591b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q142b330a17bd55859351","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":627,"speaker":"lui***","date":"2026-04-28T07:17:17.449Z","text":"你什麼意思啊🤔？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe34645d6eb00c8bf5208","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q142b330a17bd55859351","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe34645d6eb00c8bf5208","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q9f1e1a4d1653cb92a7e6","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":628,"speaker":"lui***","date":"2026-04-28T07:21:19.797Z","text":"我沒有申請受害人","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe34645d6eb00c8bf5208","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9f1e1a4d1653cb92a7e6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe34645d6eb00c8bf5208","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"qb89c3900df1beb4cd9c5","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":629,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-04-28T07:25:21.053Z","text":"841是有个公司委托律师来扯没收令的皮。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb89c3900df1beb4cd9c5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q6d892908ba3e4e4b572f","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":630,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-28T07:31:34.174Z","text":"检方真的太让我失望了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6d892908ba3e4e4b572f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"qc26ed08dc5128f2ace08","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":631,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-28T07:31:35.917Z","text":"什么水平啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc26ed08dc5128f2ace08","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q2767e2aac6681d6f24fb","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":632,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-28T07:31:49.962Z","text":"感觉是随便交差的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2767e2aac6681d6f24fb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q1b07b66ded63475b9dfe","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":633,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-04-28T07:34:55.123Z","text":"从任何角度分析 这个论点都是在害郭  提出的人动机不纯","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8b48f0ca76d9b7edef38","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1b07b66ded63475b9dfe","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8b48f0ca76d9b7edef38","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"qe8c8140ee14f2dec87f9","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":634,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-28T07:35:53.223Z","text":"[删节：成员身份] 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listener链接是哪个","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q675376d6623c18e69299","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q37af9cf113dbd99cd2ea","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":637,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-04-28T07:41:49.898Z","text":"\"中共驻纽约领事馆背后一直是吴征、云在控制……\" — 郭文贵 2024 年某次直播\n这个agent集群讨论了半天，还会出现这种低级错误。这比第二届诈骗联盟说郭天天吃鲍鱼还离谱。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3f03837973e180ca0821","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q37af9cf113dbd99cd2ea","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q125f0c051f91c74207e9","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":638,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-28T07:43:56.281Z","text":"［用户 nev***］","edited":true,"reply_to":"qeca3d7c5daa7be5a7570","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q125f0c051f91c74207e9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q18acbdc38680c188894a","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":639,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-04-28T07:53:22.028Z","text":"那二巡算是下场了吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2f8e0898624a4dc54d2a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q18acbdc38680c188894a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2f8e0898624a4dc54d2a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q9b7f505cbaa7f15c1acb","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":640,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-04-28T07:54:34.902Z","text":"看来很少有人捅破南区这层天","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9834606415db18d02658","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9b7f505cbaa7f15c1acb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9834606415db18d02658","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q8d31ccb22051469835df","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":641,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-28T07:56:48.840Z","text":"是的 搞的检察官都那么白痴","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9b7f505cbaa7f15c1acb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8d31ccb22051469835df","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9b7f505cbaa7f15c1acb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q5fb895eee92999c94e3e","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":642,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-04-28T07:57:41.511Z","text":"用了几年ai了  是个人都知道 ai会犯错  ai的东西 只是给人的参考，最后人把关。 你要较劲就跟去跟chatgpt 嚼牙缝去","edited":false,"reply_to":"q37af9cf113dbd99cd2ea","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5fb895eee92999c94e3e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q37af9cf113dbd99cd2ea","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"qa020356f6c3e436c6993","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":643,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-28T07:57:41.522Z","text":"还没下场 但快了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q18acbdc38680c188894a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa020356f6c3e436c6993","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q18acbdc38680c188894a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"qaa387a5b77ed4f88f82e","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":644,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-28T07:58:07.385Z","text":"检方回应是二巡下场的先决条件","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaa387a5b77ed4f88f82e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"qc0aa86f607e51afad647","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":645,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-04-28T07:58:22.115Z","text":"文贵的 直播内容 我2024年整理成md文档的，本地文件系统都是以2024为记录时间。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc0aa86f607e51afad647","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q7cd2e927faafa0775ada","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":646,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-04-28T07:58:32.562Z","text":"这下二巡被检方推着进场了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7cd2e927faafa0775ada","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q7d1607fd56f10ac66c5f","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":647,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-04-28T07:59:00.395Z","text":"是啊 本来就是 ai辅助 自己评判 思路 方向逻辑","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7d1607fd56f10ac66c5f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q6239a20d7859478f9393","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":648,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-28T07:59:23.464Z","text":"你的agent认为，质疑王案的没收范围，对刑事案郭案和破产案，有什么帮助？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc0aa86f607e51afad647","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6239a20d7859478f9393","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc0aa86f607e51afad647","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q0657bb980edc6e4aa244","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":649,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-28T07:59:32.825Z","text":"可以去查查 被告量刑前 受害者和检方在二巡群殴的案例","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5dc06cc9930699bcd1ae","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0657bb980edc6e4aa244","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q4111644522119f30c0a7","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":650,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-28T07:59:37.433Z","text":"应该是没有","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4111644522119f30c0a7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q05cdbd9c6d1c885af3dd","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":651,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-04-28T08:02:13.299Z","text":"现在相当于，托雷斯主动延期，检方不满托雷斯的命令就跑二巡告状来了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q05cdbd9c6d1c885af3dd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q088cb73ee8f95e4da608","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":652,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-28T08:02:24.438Z","text":"也不是","edited":false,"reply_to":"q05cdbd9c6d1c885af3dd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q088cb73ee8f95e4da608","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q05cdbd9c6d1c885af3dd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"qb161388b4e253be39a44","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":653,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-28T08:02:42.238Z","text":"检方不能和托雷斯解绑","edited":false,"reply_to":"q05cdbd9c6d1c885af3dd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb161388b4e253be39a44","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q05cdbd9c6d1c885af3dd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q5f98f0d4face1c595e6d","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":654,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-04-28T08:02:45.967Z","text":"这是不是检方与托雷斯决裂的开始","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f98f0d4face1c595e6d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"qe19129d051cc76236f0c","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":655,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-04-28T08:02:51.876Z","text":"郭的很多话语和身体语言是传递信号的话，一般人不能当真的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc0aa86f607e51afad647","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe19129d051cc76236f0c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc0aa86f607e51afad647","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q9d62f8fc4e1021edb5cc","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":656,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-28T08:02:53.541Z","text":"检方怕的是受害者的standing","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9d62f8fc4e1021edb5cc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q81476434df10861a73c0","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":657,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-28T08:03:10.944Z","text":"所以这个反对 都是打standing","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q81476434df10861a73c0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"qfca36c900a7544456ad5","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":658,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-04-28T08:03:24.068Z","text":"还没看完，检方都是针对这几个第三方吗？没有提南区？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb161388b4e253be39a44","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfca36c900a7544456ad5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb161388b4e253be39a44","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q972f83d60de4636633c3","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":659,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-28T08:03:31.225Z","text":"都是受害者","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfca36c900a7544456ad5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q972f83d60de4636633c3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfca36c900a7544456ad5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q19f65808a2833afa8fe2","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":660,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-28T08:03:41.699Z","text":"说你们不是受害者","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q19f65808a2833afa8fe2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"qc5a50d639764819566c1","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":661,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-28T08:03:55.184Z","text":"然而检方犯了一个机器弱智的错误 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时间漏洞","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q55d322e31deabfdafb85","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"qa882d145579a640a1084","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":671,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-04-28T08:10:40.723Z","text":"已修正","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa882d145579a640a1084","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q3302a448b42f877833f3","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":672,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-04-28T08:17:18.636Z","text":"检方这么做，实际可能的唯一后果是，二巡虽然不会强制上传，二巡会让南区对每一份主张cvra权利的法律文件作出程序性处置，本来可以一直拖，这么一整，就不能拖了。二巡不可能简单驳回，也不能再说过段时间再来，因为从对24-2726裁决过后，这已经过了很长时间了。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3302a448b42f877833f3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q465b5e0dad5e30d83043","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":673,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-04-28T08:25:13.109Z","text":"真是检方说的这样吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q465b5e0dad5e30d83043","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q95d9f69a8d48301c0bc5","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":674,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-28T08:25:48.844Z","text":"检方没有一句话是对的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q465b5e0dad5e30d83043","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q95d9f69a8d48301c0bc5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q465b5e0dad5e30d83043","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"qdc72402130f75b79d7a4","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":675,"speaker":"lui***","date":"2026-04-28T08:26:39.471Z","text":"• 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Maryland**（1963）及其後續判例的核心義務**：檢方有持續責任披露所有有利於被告（exculpatory）或可能削弱指控/量刑的證據，無論被告是否要求，且必須及時提供。這是憲法第十四修正案正當程序的要求，違反可能導致定罪推翻、量刑調整、甚至案件駁回（尤其若屬material且prejudicial）","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe6c300b72359fb6b4f0a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdc72402130f75b79d7a4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe6c300b72359fb6b4f0a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q846a5ee8c425bd57f9ec","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":676,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-28T08:27:11.845Z","text":"不是这个 我说的是检方对于受害者紧急动议的回复","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdc72402130f75b79d7a4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q846a5ee8c425bd57f9ec","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdc72402130f75b79d7a4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"qe57fedc58e25347d49b3","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":677,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-28T08:28:03.510Z","text":"错的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd64d07dfb584ccd6b475","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe57fedc58e25347d49b3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q500989962573c2094660","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":678,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-28T08:28:10.631Z","text":"检方没有一句话是对的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q500989962573c2094660","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q90f5465d1103741c06c3","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":679,"speaker":"lui***","date":"2026-04-28T08:29:23.558Z","text":"檢方在回覆中主張大量「受害者」需保護利益、盡快量刑/沒收，但未充分區分自願投資者 vs. 真正欺詐受害者，更嚴重的是納入明確否認自己是受害者、或支持郭的投資者資金作為損失依據。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q90f5465d1103741c06c3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"qee6b675b9110036e33c1","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":680,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-04-28T08:30:09.573Z","text":"检方说半天就两句话，他们是非当事人，他们没有受到被告犯罪行为的伤害，谁说只有满足这两点才能发动议了？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qee6b675b9110036e33c1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q6de78f47dafb947e7584","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":681,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-28T08:30:27.358Z","text":"对的了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qee6b675b9110036e33c1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6de78f47dafb947e7584","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qee6b675b9110036e33c1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q035eee43b54c9a7c078e","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":682,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-28T08:30:43.375Z","text":"检方就他妈是法盲","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q035eee43b54c9a7c078e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q28ba05bdc2efd17ea3b3","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":683,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-28T08:33:06.496Z","text":"你点到了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qee6b675b9110036e33c1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q28ba05bdc2efd17ea3b3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qee6b675b9110036e33c1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q38db3cc2879962aa9e5a","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":684,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-28T08:33:22.221Z","text":"他们没收到伤害 睁眼说瞎话","edited":false,"reply_to":"qee6b675b9110036e33c1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q38db3cc2879962aa9e5a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qee6b675b9110036e33c1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"qdc0c6fdf267ea9874dd9","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":685,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-28T08:33:37.360Z","text":"733 瑞恩第一个就说他损失了金钱是受害者","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdc0c6fdf267ea9874dd9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q8d4025644146157a36b9","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":686,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-28T08:33:48.787Z","text":"检方看都不看 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chu***］ 检方直接在二巡给你弹药让你换掉托雷斯 哈哈哈哈哈哈","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q65413c83886e8c97541a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"qfbcf72127d7cd41a3e24","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":698,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-04-28T08:44:20.689Z","text":"好了，你看下","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbea6e70020c626ee96cb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfbcf72127d7cd41a3e24","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbea6e70020c626ee96cb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"qaa1806c3467e574e5586","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":699,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-04-28T08:46:11.202Z","text":"检方也认定remission要在第三方获得裁决后才能处理","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaa1806c3467e574e5586","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q402ce7887159ca9c0eda","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":700,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-04-28T08:57:06.167Z","text":"检方是法盲","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q402ce7887159ca9c0eda","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"qf48276163b2648eaa50b","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":701,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-28T09:00:34.417Z","text":"早说过 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Del***］","edited":true,"reply_to":"q4c5c53e4bf0a94bca25f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d65c84bc5442e41044b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4c5c53e4bf0a94bca25f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"qb5c7d359863b6f3e4809","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":703,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-28T09:22:21.019Z","text":"怎么写二巡","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb5c7d359863b6f3e4809","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"qfd12a97a0bd2a981bb10","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":704,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-04-28T09:22:46.080Z","text":"检方一直有这类人协助","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfd12a97a0bd2a981bb10","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q2ab158d99cb221801aae","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":705,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-28T09:31:05.109Z","text":"问题是 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一直不出面","edited":false,"reply_to":"q74b32e5967a8f7bf2b27","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q85f22aa7501c576f74ef","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q74b32e5967a8f7bf2b27","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q939a609d3709bbdc1e4c","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":709,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-28T09:39:52.633Z","text":"余还有代理律师发声","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q939a609d3709bbdc1e4c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"qcef027b502a5eacc08c0","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":710,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-04-28T09:49:03.313Z","text":"辩方不作为 只有离开南区  别人才能帮请律师","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2ab158d99cb221801aae","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcef027b502a5eacc08c0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2ab158d99cb221801aae","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q8017a8e763627428947e","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":711,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-28T09:55:46.729Z","text":"有个问题 关于Mahwah这个事儿\n检方和luc的操作 应该有司法欺诈了吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcef027b502a5eacc08c0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8017a8e763627428947e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcef027b502a5eacc08c0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q65fb6bd150a38bcd6ee8","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":712,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-28T09:57:35.044Z","text":"luc动Mahwah，前提必须是：郭的没收下达，郭alter ego G集团，以及郭alter ego Taurus公司","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q65fb6bd150a38bcd6ee8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q0de90a71425daebd38f1","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":713,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-28T09:58:00.550Z","text":"三条缺一不可 目前三条都是pending","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0de90a71425daebd38f1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"qdb097698e7dfe06ff2f9","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":714,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-04-28T10:04:49.360Z","text":"检方确实慌了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdb097698e7dfe06ff2f9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q2519c4bc1cedcd1bcf71","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":715,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-28T10:05:39.008Z","text":"这是肯定的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdb097698e7dfe06ff2f9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2519c4bc1cedcd1bcf71","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdb097698e7dfe06ff2f9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q1c93eec170010c787e7e","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":716,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-28T10:05:59.916Z","text":"所以如果把Mahwah的事，捅上去\n检方有可能卖luc","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1c93eec170010c787e7e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q30d27688ff388d8450e3","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":717,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-04-28T10:06:13.743Z","text":"给检方喂弹药的渣渣 跟检方还是合作不够紧密呀","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q30d27688ff388d8450e3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"qdfa68884939dce1bfd0d","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":718,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-28T10:06:30.777Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息]","edited":true,"reply_to":"q30d27688ff388d8450e3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdfa68884939dce1bfd0d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q30d27688ff388d8450e3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q7e0d20ac475474270e0f","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":719,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-04-28T10:07:25.486Z","text":"你要问啥 。 能明确整理下详细问题吗 最好有上下文最好了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8017a8e763627428947e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7e0d20ac475474270e0f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8017a8e763627428947e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q7bd9b378016d5dd47c98","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":720,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-28T10:13:20.177Z","text":"检方在315查封Mahwah庄园，作为郭刑事案的重要证据之一，\n随后6月份破产案luc介入郭刑事案，并与检方达成协议，取得Mahwah的处置权，\n7月份随即起诉Mahwah的产权拥有者Taurus公司，认为是郭的alter 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待会发你","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf8e69e4af82d0cecb16e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q8db814f5ad05a16c7227","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":723,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-28T10:19:50.398Z","text":"多谢 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853n只能说 太out了\n骂人都找不到痛点","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd9a6c0ad949592e8cce1","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa08686fe8037a22b416f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"qe8770755aac37db6df9b","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":726,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-28T10:28:17.607Z","text":"等明白过来，晚了，早被甩了9条街","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe8770755aac37db6df9b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"qe528f96c9328aa0db372","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":727,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-28T10:36:32.095Z","text":"所以要警醒安小东这类 怼天怼地怼空气\n但一直认盖尔当爹的\n她目的是用Ai分析，再带偏一部分人，保盖尔那边6000人的代理权\n这部分人，郭定罪前，被检方当成受害者；定罪后，涉及没收，又被盖尔动议转换成853n 853i，等赦免，目的还是把刑事案设计的G系列资产，优先给破产案的Pax 美国小李","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9a470071ccb6a29b2281","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe528f96c9328aa0db372","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q287e6b99b172d169cf93","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":728,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-28T10:40:52.442Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 说两句嘛，毕竟从小后海附近四合院长大，这身份👍 👍 👍","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q287e6b99b172d169cf93","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q0b78582b8db5e46d89c5","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":729,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-28T10:42:42.030Z","text":"PAG一开始就设计好这个局，先破产案，再刑事案，然后涉及G系列，再把资产拿回破产案给PAG，典型的杀人诛心","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0b78582b8db5e46d89c5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"qd89d0dec4d6ec6b029d4","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":730,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-28T10:43:39.254Z","text":"人判了，欺诈洗钱\n钱也没了\n人心也散了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd89d0dec4d6ec6b029d4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q320ff9e430dc0eda5ad8","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":731,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-28T10:48:11.035Z","text":"从它们对Mahwah的处理，其实已经可以看出这个套路了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q320ff9e430dc0eda5ad8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"qe8550e69986ec56376c2","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":732,"speaker":".an***","date":"2026-04-28T10:49:28.264Z","text":"受害者（自诉群体）与检方在法庭上互殴真是开了美国司法的先例，简直就是奇观，而且会以受害者获胜结束决斗⚔️。这是民间在用另一种方式打击美国深层政府（司法界）的傲慢与腐败。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0657bb980edc6e4aa244","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe8550e69986ec56376c2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0657bb980edc6e4aa244","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"qfce57b3b27d500ea8eb0","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":733,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-04-28T10:54:36.450Z","text":"你看下 是否靠谱 要看吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7bd9b378016d5dd47c98","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfce57b3b27d500ea8eb0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7bd9b378016d5dd47c98","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"qebff5eed25a7eef75520","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":734,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-28T10:57:28.190Z","text":"不用了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfce57b3b27d500ea8eb0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qebff5eed25a7eef75520","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfce57b3b27d500ea8eb0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"qf4b7c53c5e4dd65c048a","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":735,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-04-28T11:00:54.000Z","text":"破产案是大粪坑 现在不碰比较好 掉进去就出不来","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf4b7c53c5e4dd65c048a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"qfbd7c4264dd610152abb","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":736,"speaker":".an***","date":"2026-04-28T11:12:08.724Z","text":"检方出现的漏洞：CVRA唯一条款：……宣判的任何公开程序中被合理听取的权利。这里是指的任何公开程序，而不是某些程序，所以自诉者在任何程序中都有被听取的权利。检方后面又界定和限制了自诉者的权利。这是检方在偷梁换柱。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfbd7c4264dd610152abb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"qaf66b5f48f10ba33984e","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":737,"speaker":"tig***","date":"2026-04-28T11:16:48.442Z","text":"螺丝哥被捕了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd6ef55405158609ac28d","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaf66b5f48f10ba33984e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"qf340ba2930da118237d4","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":738,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-04-28T11:22:02.703Z","text":"这些图片是群里（主要是“把它们都拖上法庭-AI观察者”和Qodty等战友）最新发布的深度战术分析报告，属于群内最高水平的理性复盘帖（不是情绪输出，是专业法律策略评估）。\n核心内容总结（通俗版）：\n1.  最重要结论：5位二巡pro se申请人（白冉月、Chunk Chyi、Tony、Jason Zen、Doe等）的真正目的不是现在让二巡直接判谁是受害者、谁有财产权、郭该怎么量刑，而是**“抢record”**——逼SDNY把他们的材料正式docket（入卷）或出written reviewable disposition（书面可审查的处理意见），把所有争议钉进官方记录，为将来上诉、§853(n) ancillary、remission、CIPA/Brady/Giglio等留证据。\n2.  最稳的打法建议（群里强烈推荐）：
主轴只打一个窄点：要求地区法院对已经提交、明确援引**§853(n)财产权或具体CVRA权利的文件，给予docketing 或 written reviewable disposition**。
不要把破产案、Mahwah庄园、Luc Despins、Rule 9019、alter ego这些当主战场——太复杂、法庭不同、法源不同、程序阶段不同，容易被二巡视为把mandamus/stay请求扩张成对破产法院和刑事没收实体的全面攻击。\n3.  按人分打法优缺点：\n    •  白冉月：核心是docketing/record access（最稳）。\n    •  Jason Zen：核心是财产权利+§853(n)（保护Himalaya/G-series权益）。\n    •  Chunk Chyi：核心是攻击victim pool、Geyer代表权、loss计算（最激进，但也最容易被贴“vexatious”标签）。\n    •  Tony：核心是中国主权冲突材料（对叙事有价值，但作为nonparty要求stay量刑法律上很弱）。\n    •  Carolyn Sun/Doe类：更接近docketing+程序保护。\n4.  他们做对的地方：抢record、打victim pool、打loss foundation、给郭后续上诉制造材料。
做错/有风险的地方：要求stay sentencing太大、直接挑战Guidelines/loss太弱、材料太散容易被检方反打“vexatious”、身份策略有矛盾等。\n5.  额外背景：还附上了郭文贵2022年直播里关于“中共通过律师/Paul Hastings渗透美国司法”的历史语录，供大家参考对比。\n一句话总结：这是一篇冷静、专业、务实的战术优化建议，和我们之前反复说的“抢record / docket or written disposition”完全一致，同时提醒大家收窄主轴、避免overreach，才是最稳、最有效的打法。\n这些内容和之前Qodty核查MD、5大错误拆解、Sarah三层分析高度呼应，是群里目前对二巡策略最全面的一次复盘。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf340ba2930da118237d4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q6bc82b4a3171483f5223","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":739,"speaker":"tig***","date":"2026-04-28T11:22:16.384Z","text":"再邀请[删节：成员身份]参加","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6bc82b4a3171483f5223","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q20afc3a98d006dbee647","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":740,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-04-28T11:32:31.887Z","text":"https://x.com/yalun369/status/2048949664561443163?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q20afc3a98d006dbee647","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q2c68b84ea6423a3bdde0","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":741,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-28T11:39:18.227Z","text":"没看懂\n她也是检方证人？有去庭审作证吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q20afc3a98d006dbee647","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2c68b84ea6423a3bdde0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q20afc3a98d006dbee647","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"qe17bf4c7a27287d26cea","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":742,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-04-28T11:48:35.889Z","text":"李亚的前一个证人就是它。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2c68b84ea6423a3bdde0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe17bf4c7a27287d26cea","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2c68b84ea6423a3bdde0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"q669d1b945847d44f3659","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":743,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-04-28T12:12:39.711Z","text":"［用户 tig***］","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q669d1b945847d44f3659","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000106"},{"id":"qf87aa9a3422871f54c34","batch_id":"batch-000106","seq":744,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-04-28T12:19:21.885Z","text":"联邦探员716-4 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