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roy***］ \n以农场借贷项目为例\n用转账证据，本意投资farm loan，但转账后没有下文\n收钱农场主，和farm loan项目是上下线关系，下线跑了，上线要负责 \nfarm loan项目，是涉案实体之一\n因为有投资损失，所以可以参与到本案\n先发南区，不理就二巡","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9200cf930840a5fd4ffb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qc45abb939de9a6b8ccae","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":8,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-02T07:27:34.430Z","text":"跟农场对敲入金喜交所算是啥项目？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc45abb939de9a6b8ccae","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qbb746d4eea1cc96cbc23","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":9,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T07:27:43.682Z","text":"我想起了香港必胜，他找九指打官司要钱 ［用户 beg***］ ［用户 spr***］","edited":true,"reply_to":"q5b4eb253d26e1be33595","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbb746d4eea1cc96cbc23","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5b4eb253d26e1be33595","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q5003811891cb518fa1d3","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":10,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-02T07:28:35.335Z","text":"说是放弃了不明白啥原因","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbb746d4eea1cc96cbc23","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5003811891cb518fa1d3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbb746d4eea1cc96cbc23","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qdf3d5b3993fb02c77701","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":11,"speaker":"wen***","date":"2026-05-02T07:29:11.993Z","text":"A10","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc45abb939de9a6b8ccae","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdf3d5b3993fb02c77701","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc45abb939de9a6b8ccae","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q229222d5a59f4d066755","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":12,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-02T07:31:56.319Z","text":"他也是凤凰农场的投资？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5003811891cb518fa1d3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q229222d5a59f4d066755","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5003811891cb518fa1d3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q5fff03b17fd9657caa0a","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":13,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-02T07:33:02.612Z","text":"我没入a10只是存款进去，那算啥","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdf3d5b3993fb02c77701","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5fff03b17fd9657caa0a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdf3d5b3993fb02c77701","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qbc1cdea9f4d8ed8f24cd","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":14,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-02T07:33:13.726Z","text":"对","edited":false,"reply_to":"q229222d5a59f4d066755","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbc1cdea9f4d8ed8f24cd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q229222d5a59f4d066755","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q0a32537504a86a0ef832","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":15,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-02T07:33:35.630Z","text":"对敲，没给HDO?","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5fff03b17fd9657caa0a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0a32537504a86a0ef832","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5fff03b17fd9657caa0a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q7955a46a222ae89b78b6","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":16,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-02T07:34:03.536Z","text":"给啦，不给算啥对敲，难不成给我美刀😆","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0a32537504a86a0ef832","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7955a46a222ae89b78b6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0a32537504a86a0ef832","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qc7209e36a705823fe4b9","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":17,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-02T07:34:50.808Z","text":"那就不是项目","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7955a46a222ae89b78b6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc7209e36a705823fe4b9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7955a46a222ae89b78b6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q5aa5bd7d18714d50ce1e","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":18,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-02T07:35:13.427Z","text":"那这钱怎么要呢","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc7209e36a705823fe4b9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5aa5bd7d18714d50ce1e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc7209e36a705823fe4b9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q9127ab80427c49aa4823","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":19,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-02T07:35:25.314Z","text":"这是我在喜交所的资产","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9127ab80427c49aa48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它也在第三版起诉书上，共谋犯啊\n\n6.29近在眼前，来来回回发文件消耗时间，时不我待🙏\n\n这次也以正大光明扛着CVRA上南区要求共谋犯回应，明确自己是共谋犯的受害者，绝不是大神的受害者，顺便也能帮大神一把？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1348f9ed5ede1b3d2715","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea336f0231f1c8484722","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1348f9ed5ede1b3d2715","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q4d4cdfd17550cd4db87a","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":30,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-02T07:53:55.955Z","text":"凡是全球喜马拉雅农场联盟委员会组织的项目，负责人应该是王雪斌，这个联盟成立在新西兰，王雪斌应该是创立者和法人，它还是联盟主席。只要钱进入以这个联盟的名义成立的实体，都要找王雪斌。目前灭共演员咬夏其东和李亚，但它们都没有咬王雪斌。对了，王雪斌可是孔子学院的人。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9200cf930840a5fd4ffb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4d4cdfd17550cd4db87a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9200cf930840a5fd4ffb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qab2bbac06fcda0162e4a","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":31,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T07:55:03.063Z","text":"你强制令免费，要不就新起一个强制令，一个强制令专注于一件事，只要合乎法理，二巡应该会强制南区处理","edited":false,"reply_to":"q743790a7f4be4e4aa1de","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qab2bbac06fcda0162e4a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q743790a7f4be4e4aa1de","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q5d988e331abf90f9ec8c","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":32,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-02T07:57:45.666Z","text":"问题是我南区动议里的问题二巡现在基本都提到过了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qab2bbac06fcda0162e4a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d988e331abf90f9ec8c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qab2bbac06fcda0162e4a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q670f62b5faad8c7f0a96","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":33,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-02T07:58:04.082Z","text":"大家有没有把法治基金和法治社会的管理人员，根据美国纽约州法律，到底谁有权任命它们，这个问题弄清楚？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q670f62b5faad8c7f0a96","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q512e37ed3ec262ce6501","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":34,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T07:59:26.460Z","text":"总觉得一次诉求太多二巡可能很难吧？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5d988e331abf90f9ec8c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q512e37ed3ec262ce6501","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d988e331abf90f9ec8c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qe3bcb9c8c0843e6d2096","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":35,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T08:09:28.501Z","text":"你们都是853，本来853就是要你说明你的财产在政府没收公告的哪个账户中，现在有九指，夏之间的官司，要求政府开示，到底你的钱在哪个账户中，也是合情合理","edited":false,"reply_to":"qea336f0231f1c8484722","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe3bcb9c8c0843e6d2096","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea336f0231f1c8484722","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q385370ab0bd289b91390","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":36,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T08:17:22.212Z","text":"对啊！ 上CVRA动议，把自己的诉求找法庭上这几个共谋犯和除了大神以外的被告直接要钱，岂不是更直接，更能反映案子本质，也能帮助大神？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q004a84d1133a1c969bae","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q385370ab0bd289b91390","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q004a84d1133a1c969bae","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q0c5e757b8b9f557b02ab","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":37,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-02T08:21:42.211Z","text":"青这帮人，就是直播带货的骗子，没有合法身份 \n什么联盟秘书长，联盟行政委员会，都是他们自己封的而已，骗韭菜\n834里检方明摆着是知道这一点，只说他和佳佳是主持人","edited":false,"reply_to":"q670f62b5faad8c7f0a96","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0c5e757b8b9f557b02ab","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q670f62b5faad8c7f0a96","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qfbb9daa0df043065cb49","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":38,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-02T08:28:14.747Z","text":"二巡不是并案了嘛","edited":false,"reply_to":"q512e37ed3ec262ce6501","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfbb9daa0df043065cb49","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q512e37ed3ec262ce6501","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q25164d9c84974a9fd3c8","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":39,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T08:56:26.569Z","text":"同一批人审，不见得统一回复吧？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfbb9daa0df043065cb49","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q25164d9c84974a9fd3c8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfbb9daa0df043065cb49","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q82b79b03701d9c772665","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":40,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-05-02T09:16:34.636Z","text":"https://x.com/baoliaogeming/status/2050504654648488176?s=20","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q82b79b03701d9c772665","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q7d66bf83d7e0168710a5","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":41,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-02T09:39:31.163Z","text":"除了瑞恩的，其他都没回复","edited":false,"reply_to":"q25164d9c84974a9fd3c8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7d66bf83d7e0168710a5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q25164d9c84974a9fd3c8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q0324dd1045e4fd39d23c","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":42,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-05-02T09:52:10.506Z","text":"喜交所与郭没联系； 最应该第三方853n 才对； 余干什么/洗钱（？），与郭没关系。\n\n目前余的角色是陷害郭的一个 - 100% 确认了吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1ecfc3e5feba65c7153d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0324dd1045e4fd39d23c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1ecfc3e5feba65c7153d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q018fe5c625b604ce30d4","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":43,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-05-02T09:53:16.948Z","text":"我会着手写 些东西","edited":false,"reply_to":"q385370ab0bd289b91390","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q018fe5c625b604ce30d4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q385370ab0bd289b91390","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q9f92c564442ee7f09d87","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":44,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T10:10:23.326Z","text":"又想了一下，还是谨慎用CVRA吧，你是853，一样可以用853的身份要求政府开示：九指，夏，他们之间的官司，还有之前香港必胜提到的某人起诉的官司，问你的钱到底去哪里了，谁在撒谎？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q018fe5c625b604ce30d4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9f92c564442ee7f09d87","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q018fe5c625b604ce30d4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q084279397d9210fe1f24","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":45,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-02T10:29:25.135Z","text":"第三版起诉书这样描述：\n喜交所也属于郭集团，是涉嫌欺诈的四个主要实体之一（GTV /farm loan /Gclub /喜交所）\n要把喜交所和郭剥离，最好的办法就是投资者个人直面HEX，让HEX回应","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0324dd1045e4fd39d23c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q084279397d9210fe1f24","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0324dd1045e4fd39d23c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q16dd8b8c169b404108fe","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":46,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T10:38:57.755Z","text":"还有，是不是再引用Ryan在二巡质疑这帮货的具体的法庭文件，把Ryan在二巡的证据拉到南区的docket上，让南区处理，这样二巡的证据就正式进入南区并且逼着托大人圈阅一下","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9f92c564442ee7f09d87","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q16dd8b8c169b404108fe","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9f92c564442ee7f09d87","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q6083e3724f57aaecb239","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":47,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-02T10:57:47.682Z","text":"这些给二巡能行吗？二巡只管程序问题","edited":false,"reply_to":"q018fe5c625b604ce30d4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6083e3724f57aaecb239","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q018fe5c625b604ce30d4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qac4cc34d7fdb5112d7da","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":48,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T10:58:15.019Z","text":"写给南区，找二巡让南区docket并处理","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6083e3724f57aaecb239","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qac4cc34d7fdb5112d7da","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6083e3724f57aaecb239","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qc4bbd889d7d3bc493283","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":49,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T11:02:37.854Z","text":"再拓展一点点：以九指，夏，mos的骚操作为入口，拉上Ryan在二巡对这帮货的质疑，是不是就能够合理地提出质疑：是不是该抓的人检方没抓，不该抓的抓了？这就有了一个突破口。\n\n所有这些事都可以用853身份要求开示一小部分证据为由头：“我不知道我投九指的钱在哪里，我需要写853啊，检方你帮我查查？”","edited":false,"reply_to":"q16dd8b8c169b404108fe","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc4bbd889d7d3bc493283","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q16dd8b8c169b404108fe","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q1fbc2903b17ebd7d6368","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":50,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-02T11:04:25.528Z","text":"夏与检方签的不起诉协议，应该和王雪冰差不多，是关于洗钱的，换取指认郭是总指挥，他们只是听命令","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc4bbd889d7d3bc493283","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1fbc2903b17ebd7d6368","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc4bbd889d7d3bc493283","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qe49a042196080aeefc4e","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":51,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T11:05:27.047Z","text":"案卷上有 写明 夏 签了不起诉协议吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1fbc2903b17ebd7d6368","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe49a042196080aeefc4e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1fbc2903b17ebd7d6368","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qea215e005f51bbe76d27","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":52,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-02T11:05:53.507Z","text":"看不到，类似张永兵","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe49a042196080aeefc4e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea215e005f51bbe76d27","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe49a042196080aeefc4e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qd1005b9811970fe62228","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":53,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T11:08:56.537Z","text":"那就更不能让检方帮着这帮货把钱给吞了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qea215e005f51bbe76d27","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd1005b9811970fe62228","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea215e005f51bbe76d27","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q3fc9f30c46b4522ed15d","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":54,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-02T11:14:56.116Z","text":"夏如果吞了魏的凤凰农场和解后的转款，那就不是洗钱，而是诈骗，免起诉协议无用","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3fc9f30c46b4522ed15d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qb3d55f427d2f101ed6ac","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":55,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T11:18:09.615Z","text":"这个重要‼️也就是说检方可以直接抓他没阻碍","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3fc9f30c46b4522ed15d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb3d55f427d2f101ed6ac","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3fc9f30c46b4522ed15d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q7850f5ee90f37920faf5","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":56,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-02T12:28:10.481Z","text":"托雷斯，自己延期后，一个星期过去了，也没有批准那个fotico 听证，也没有任命主事官，准备延期两个月啥也不干，就是让破产法庭那边补程序和漏洞吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7850f5ee90f37920faf5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q1af1ba23fae2088bfd25","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":57,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T13:01:50.532Z","text":"等着大家上证据啊，托大人不是说证据太多，情况复杂\n我们帮她捋一捋","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7850f5ee90f37920faf5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1af1ba23fae2088bfd25","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7850f5ee90f37920faf5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qe76bf39d95fc67e5a6da","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":58,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-02T13:02:10.368Z","text":"我知道检方为什么要这1250人名单了，检方为了名正言顺的不给钱他们，检方会仍然把这1250人的投资额计入损失金额，但是又不赔偿他们。。3. 赔偿（Restitution）与量刑损失（Sentencing Loss）的区别\n这是回答您问题的关键点：\n\n量刑损失（影响刑期）：法官在决定郭文贵要坐多少年牢时，会看总金额。如果法官认为郭的“意图”是诈骗全盘资金，那么这 6900 多万美元可能不会被扣除。\n\n赔偿总额（影响赔钱）：在判决赔偿时，法律通常只支持返还给那些自认为受害并提出申请的人。因此，这 1,198 名否认受害的人，其投资的 6900 多万美元通常不会被纳入赔偿令（Restitution Order）中发还给他们。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe76bf39d95fc67e5a6da","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q876d7aa0bd5876cf84f1","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":59,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-02T13:03:23.832Z","text":"总结结论：\n这 $69,430,047 是否被扣除，完全取决于法官 Analisa Torres 对该案性质的定性：\n\n如果法官接受辩方观点，认为这些是“合法的自愿投资”，则会扣除，从而可能显著减轻郭文贵的刑期。\n\n如果法官采纳控方观点，认为这是一场涉及全球、利用影响力进行的“整体欺诈”，则这部分金额仍会被计入“意图损失”中，不予扣除。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q876d7aa0bd5876cf84f1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qf3d341ba2ae5e2c43de4","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":60,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-02T13:10:51.788Z","text":"没有赔偿restitution，被没收forfeiture 取代了\n1250支持者，支持了个寂寞","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf3d341ba2ae5e2c43de4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qe432c61fa66c34dd4641","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":61,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-05-02T13:26:28.773Z","text":"夏在推特上可是说过， 他要是不同意，谁也拿回来钱。 我发到这里了。现在找不到那个截图了。谁能再发一下？ 谢谢","edited":false,"reply_to":"q50a810b3cb69f0e92dec","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe432c61fa66c34dd4641","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q8ec11eef1aa3e3471d3f","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":62,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-02T13:28:16.496Z","text":"检方公开过和共谋们的不起诉协议吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ec11eef1aa3e3471d3f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qbc7a7228870a71fe11d7","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":63,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-02T13:28:19.943Z","text":"弹劾证据（Impeachment Evidence）：根据 Giglio v. United States 判例，检方必须公开所有给证人的优待协议。辩方律师会在法庭上当众质疑：“你是因为贪污被抓，为了不坐牢才说谎指控我当事人的吗？”\n\n\n证据链闭环：法官和陪审团通常不会仅凭一个有污点的证人的话就定罪。控方必须拿出银行流水、通信记录等硬证据来交叉验证证词的真实性 。\n\n法律红线：如果检方明知证人在说谎却依然使用其证词，这违反了正当程序（Due Process），一旦查实，整个案件可能会被撤销或重审。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbc7a7228870a71fe11d7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qbcebb748ef022ff20b0d","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":64,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-02T13:29:50.932Z","text":"我只看到检方要求都走没收的动议，托雷斯批准了吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf3d341ba2ae5e2c43de4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbcebb748ef022ff20b0d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf3d341ba2ae5e2c43de4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q8ffdac539d154fff91d7","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":65,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-02T13:30:59.389Z","text":"就是检方在没收里，会名正言顺的不给这1250人钱","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf3d341ba2ae5e2c43de4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ffdac539d154fff91d7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf3d341ba2ae5e2c43de4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qc814fc08727f664e7552","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":66,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-02T13:31:55.601Z","text":"这不检方开始反对二巡自诉人了?","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7850f5ee90f37920faf5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc814fc08727f664e7552","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7850f5ee90f37920faf5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qa5e5905524b71d8ecc21","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":67,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-02T13:33:19.961Z","text":"这两个月就是解决二巡的问题吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa5e5905524b71d8ecc21","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qa8611c9554ec8ee57a1e","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":68,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-02T13:36:47.887Z","text":"当然同意了，不然郭案怎么能开始预没收，和853n登记？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbcebb748ef022ff20b0d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa8611c9554ec8ee57a1e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbcebb748ef022ff20b0d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q06c65f69379cc741161c","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":69,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-02T13:37:39.909Z","text":"托雷斯说的可是因为826,828,833，导致有很多复杂的问题需要解决，她的意思是让政府去解决？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc814fc08727f664e7552","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q06c65f69379cc741161c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc814fc08727f664e7552","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q77c5316e73f0f778ff92","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":70,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-02T13:38:28.527Z","text":"没看懂","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8ffdac539d154fff91d7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q77c5316e73f0f778ff92","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ffdac539d154fff91d7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qa46ed22f883c715a0e60","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":71,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-02T13:38:33.388Z","text":"延期真实原因不一定是她说的那样","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa46ed22f883c715a0e60","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q3e93cff2c106e94b1011","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":72,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-02T13:39:05.711Z","text":"反对王的没收协议和LUC没有证明替代自我就把g系列归为郭的资产从而过来抢钱迫在眉睫啊，你们之前没有写过吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbcebb748ef022ff20b0d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3e93cff2c106e94b1011","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbcebb748ef022ff20b0d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q29d8f3e43143b1942fe8","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":73,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-02T13:39:34.566Z","text":"那三个文件就是对应的请主事官的钱怎么出，控辩双方对金钱判决扯皮没扯清楚。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q29d8f3e43143b1942fe8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-0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在初步没收之后，是前几月的事情","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa8611c9554ec8ee57a1e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q38f9c7342b8a483eb00d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa8611c9554ec8ee57a1e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q0c33a797e0785ee95671","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":75,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-02T13:41:27.333Z","text":"检方remission 会名正言顺的不给这1250人钱","edited":false,"reply_to":"q77c5316e73f0f778ff92","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0c33a797e0785ee95671","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q77c5316e73f0f778ff92","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q69dad98ba3ff8759904a","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":76,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-02T13:43:39.647Z","text":"不仅是这1250，所有投资者都没份。它们的计划就是交给luc，投资者是普通债权人，然后无担保债权人分了就没有了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0c33a797e0785ee95671","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q69dad98ba3ff8759904a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0c33a797e0785ee95671","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q769391cdbfa858639e85","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":77,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-02T13:46:39.069Z","text":"青的填表，和最新的喜交所宣誓，目的都是配合检方走remission","edited":false,"reply_to":"q38f9c7342b8a483eb00d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q769391cdbfa858639e85","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q38f9c7342b8a483eb00d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qb847620e5d946f99a882","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":78,"speaker":"mil***","date":"2026-05-02T13:54:28.111Z","text":"大家好，我刚进来还不知东南西北，请问凤凰转到长岛手里的钱还能要回来吗，有什么途径要回吗，要怎么做","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb847620e5d946f99a882","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q28ce8c31cac24ee08648","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":79,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-02T13:54:39.520Z","text":"我们对这些没有可以写的吧，这些也不是最紧迫致命的。最紧迫致命的是：王没资格同意没收。luc没有证明郭替代自我。LUC和检方在玛哈庄园产权没定之前就签了协议把玛哈给luc 。损失金额方面的问题。这些钱都是危害国家安全罪的资金而托雷斯不让谈。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q769391cdbfa858639e85","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q28ce8c31cac24ee08648","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q769391cdbfa858639e85","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q2d8fabe72902da1537c3","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":80,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-02T13:55:42.141Z","text":"巧了，今天正好在扯这个事儿🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb847620e5d946f99a882","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2d8fabe72902da1537c3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb847620e5d946f99a882","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qdb9db93417874d2560bf","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":81,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T13:56:21.482Z","text":"还有他在直播中说过九指那的钱香草山打官司拿回来了，但是被政府查封，不信去问律师","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe432c61fa66c34dd4641","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdb9db93417874d2560bf","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe432c61fa66c34dd4641","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qff073761ecec0b855e9d","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":82,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-02T13:56:43.123Z","text":"Mahwah庄园可以先不谈","edited":false,"reply_to":"q28ce8c31cac24ee08648","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qff073761ecec0b855e9d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q28ce8c31cac24ee08648","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q27205135b9a54c58e49b","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":83,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-02T13:57:52.360Z","text":"还有要求检方公开和共谋的不起诉协议，公开就此案和中国政府有哪些合作","edited":false,"reply_to":"q28ce8c31cac24ee08648","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q27205135b9a54c58e49b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q28ce8c31cac24ee08648","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qd6500004725c655d02db","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":84,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-02T13:59:05.665Z","text":"问检方找中国政府拿的证据知不知道这些都是中国政府用暴力胁迫取得的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd6500004725c655d02db","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q3162062b0b830cef7745","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":85,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-02T14:00:19.075Z","text":"最近中美一直联合办案啊, 前两天还有报道呢","edited":false,"reply_to":"q27205135b9a54c58e49b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3162062b0b830cef7745","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q27205135b9a54c58e49b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q08a07e01ce34064314cd","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":86,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-02T14:00:55.143Z","text":"到南区法庭发动议开示证据，夏其东收到的钱是被不起诉协议不强制上交了还是被美国政府冻结了？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb847620e5d946f99a882","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q08a07e01ce34064314cd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb847620e5d946f99a882","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q75e468043506223d4330","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":87,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-02T14:03:01.184Z","text":"鬼知道是不是被鸟吞了，不肯拿出来","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdb9db93417874d2560bf","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q75e468043506223d4330","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdb9db93417874d2560bf","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qf48536d2246dfe12a250","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":88,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-02T14:06:15.147Z","text":"我猜测，这个案子现在这个样子，70%是因为联盟操作，20%中共直接操作, 10%美国政府","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf48536d2246dfe12a250","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q8c31dd1f53fcf1a794d1","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":89,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-02T14:08:46.778Z","text":"鸟 青 两套演员","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf48536d2246dfe12a250","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8c31dd1f53fcf1a794d1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf48536d2246dfe12a250","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qe777278fc1137e37f92a","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":90,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-02T14:09:15.092Z","text":"841是这两届 配合表演","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe777278fc1137e37f92a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q63b4aaba93af14238b59","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":91,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-02T14:11:20.529Z","text":"鸟王雪冰李亚背后不是中共？为什么要把联盟摘出来？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf48536d2246dfe12a250","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q63b4aaba93af14238b59","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf48536d2246dfe12a250","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qe7807f501167b43eed71","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":92,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-02T14:12:25.867Z","text":"中美最近一直联合办案打击跨国电诈, 数字货币洗钱，很普遍","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe7807f501167b43eed71","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q0c1688884b1f14bfa81e","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":93,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-02T14:13:37.451Z","text":"谁知道，有可能，也有可能他们本身就是骗子","edited":false,"reply_to":"q63b4aaba93af14238b59","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0c1688884b1f14bfa81e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q63b4aaba93af14238b59","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q91d90276e79390380c98","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":94,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-02T14:14:06.866Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] [删节：隐私信息] 你认为我说的对吗？最紧迫致命的是：王没资格同意没收。luc没有证明郭替代自我。LUC和检方在玛哈庄园产权没定之前就签了协议把玛哈给luc 。损失金额方面的问题。这些钱都是危害国家安全罪的资金而托雷斯不让谈。还有要求检方公开和共谋的不起诉协议，公开就此案和中国政府有哪些合作\n问检方找中国政府拿的证据知不知道这些都是中国政府用暴力胁迫取得的,问为什么美国司法部的中共的目标高度一致：都是致力于用诈骗罪把郭送进监狱","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q91d90276e79390380c98","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q526751025719459bb9ee","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":95,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-02T14:16:45.591Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 所以这是为什么必须上高法，中国政府都是用暴力胁迫拿证据，为什么美国要用这样的中国政府证据，","edited":true,"reply_to":"qe7807f501167b43eed71","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q526751025719459bb9ee","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe7807f501167b43eed71","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qa440f293ad5f965c99fb","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":96,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-02T14:25:26.368Z","text":"群主意思是 两届联盟，在里面捣鬼的最多，他们可能也是听命于背后的Ccp，但本身里面不少人就是骗子","edited":false,"reply_to":"q63b4aaba93af14238b59","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa440f293ad5f965c99fb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q63b4aaba93af14238b59","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q20ba9dcb1a2963027afd","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":97,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-05-02T14:28:56.727Z","text":"我不懂啊！","edited":false,"reply_to":"q91d90276e79390380c98","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q20ba9dcb1a2963027afd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q91d90276e79390380c98","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q47a61e6b6845d1bc7d6f","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":98,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-05-02T14:33:09.804Z","text":"刚刚发现的一些图片 看能不能给你们灵感 综合检方833 根据自己情况 写","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q47a61e6b6845d1bc7d6f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q992b7b06fce537ac72c1","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":99,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T14:47:38.703Z","text":"我感觉每个人就打自己能紧密联系、有理由打的点、狠狠打，最后真相也就出来了。如果高度太高，二巡南区可能都不会理。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd6162fbe098924412560","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q992b7b06fce537ac72c1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q2fb37b4d61003accd3c7","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":100,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T14:49:42.304Z","text":"看了你的853，我就觉得你有足够多的理由调查九指、夏、他们之间的官司、要求检方需要开示证据到底有什么猫腻。打着打着，假的东西藏不住，应该也能为营救大神出把力的。别人涉及此事的金额不够或者没有，冲出来要求开示没资格，但你有足够的资格","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd6162fbe098924412560","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2fb37b4d61003accd3c7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q26da7702bc046be7299d","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":101,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-02T14:50:00.956Z","text":"🐦那会让听联盟的电话应该是真人吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"q47a61e6b6845d1bc7d6f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q26da7702bc046be7299d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q47a61e6b6845d1bc7d6f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q90ec7f6cb46997514dfc","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":102,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-02T14:50:42.927Z","text":"对的 那个真","edited":false,"reply_to":"q26da7702bc046be7299d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q90ec7f6cb46997514dfc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q26da7702bc046be7299d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q28c7d629d3a2e4d98bd5","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":103,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-02T14:53:21.044Z","text":"可以尝试通过 南区-二巡-南区docket 逼鸟出来回应，他和凤凰农场的和解款，去向在哪","edited":false,"reply_to":"q992b7b06fce537ac72c1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q28c7d629d3a2e4d98bd5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q992b7b06fce537ac72c1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qda3333f8034b95fe2b1c","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":104,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T14:54:03.347Z","text":"立刻做的事，只有不到两个月的窗口期了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q28c7d629d3a2e4d98bd5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qda3333f8034b95fe2b1c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q28c7d629d3a2e4d98bd5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qe981a0849d6a17bf397d","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":105,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-02T14:54:32.766Z","text":"他吞了，那就是欺诈\n这笔钱，就不应该算在郭头上","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe981a0849d6a17bf397d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q5aa35b0f9b8d61fda14e","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":106,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T14:56:28.906Z","text":"对！只有这样从底层吧骗子们都揪出来，大神才能自证清白","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe981a0849d6a17bf397d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5aa35b0f9b8d61fda14e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe981a0849d6a17bf397d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qeb5d02ec8fdb8bf831a3","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":107,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T15:00:41.250Z","text":"还有打的过程中，给南区的材料有机会可以引用Ryan在二巡的各种弹药，这样新证据顺理成章进入南区案卷。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeb5d02ec8fdb8bf831a3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q583c00756bf75059e7df","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":108,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T15:03:09.588Z","text":"［用户 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不然不会在这闲扯","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4b85d4f2cea06473c4e7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q5b411986ce984a963843","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":111,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-02T15:07:09.550Z","text":"翻案要到上诉\n现在是打证据到案子里，有疑问的地方，都要提出来","edited":false,"reply_to":"q05c08a6d01fd750b5236","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5b411986ce984a963843","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qfb20474819e60928acb0","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":112,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-02T15:09:16.183Z","text":"郭是无罪辩护，这里的目的，本来就不是单纯减少量刑","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfb20474819e60928acb0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qff3b6fe51eaa493f5139","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":113,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-02T15:09:53.963Z","text":"撤案 太难 基本不可能","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdb611e4b3edf828daa2a","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qff3b6fe51eaa493f5139","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qdb647098150442efc4c5","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":114,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T15:12:30.476Z","text":"可以多个强制令并行，专门负责翻案的强制令；抓你能抓的小鬼的强制令；互不干扰，齐头并进！\n\n互为犄角之势，进可攻、退可守。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q50df99cd63c190997ab4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdb647098150442efc4c5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q50df99cd63c190997ab4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q6b4506484726a82dfeb7","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":115,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T15:16:04.646Z","text":"把该装的人装进去，把该捞的人捞出来","edited":false,"reply_to":"qff3b6fe51eaa493f5139","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6b4506484726a82dfeb7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qff3b6fe51eaa493f5139","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q008d4d9f41d286655246","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":116,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T15:16:25.513Z","text":"最后办成铁案，皆大欢喜","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q008d4d9f41d286655246","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q2dae075d414294c6836c","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":117,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-05-02T15:21:08.542Z","text":"只有当事人有权进行无罪上诉，程序问题得被告上诉指出，第三方不能要求无罪翻案，检方更不可能撤案","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdb611e4b3edf828daa2a","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2dae075d414294c6836c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q9168db7bc9fd7be10909","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":118,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T15:27:39.268Z","text":"在6.29之前，当务之急是把更多的证据送上南区docket，并逼迫托大人圈阅。做到这一步才能有后面的减刑等等操作","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2dae075d414294c6836c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9168db7bc9fd7be10909","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2dae075d414294c6836c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q5d4250fd496def5bd12c","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":119,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-02T15:55:20.206Z","text":"［用户 beg***］ 这个不知道真假，有可能是假的，从telegram 群里搬过来的，你在那个群里吗？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d4250fd496def5bd12c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qd505a45d44232a8f317e","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":120,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-02T15:56:40.291Z","text":"上诉还有个最大的变数，谁做辩护律师，量刑后必须14天内提起上诉，郭几乎没有时间找律师，如果还用现在的律师，那结果几乎可以预见","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2dae075d414294c6836c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd505a45d44232a8f317e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2dae075d414294c6836c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qf2de67b0726ffda30a7b","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":121,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-02T16:02:02.297Z","text":"Victor不是和nick打的火热的律师吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5d4250fd496def5bd12c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf2de67b0726ffda30a7b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d4250fd496def5bd12c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qdefd6d71cfde504eda26","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":122,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-02T16:02:36.609Z","text":"他好像是个移民律师","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdefd6d71cfde504eda26","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q0e956337d4e2d25e1dd2","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":123,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-02T16:16:34.328Z","text":"［用户 beg***］ ，我找到了一个截图","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0e956337d4e2d25e1dd2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q8682931bc147800f315e","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":124,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-02T16:17:16.873Z","text":"上面有日期","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8682931bc147800f315e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q0532e33776e5b4410422","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":125,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2026-05-02T16:26:13.707Z","text":"如果当下真的没有任何律师可信可用，\n那是否可以认为郭先生留的后手，早已经失控了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd505a45d44232a8f317e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0532e33776e5b4410422","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd505a45d44232a8f317e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qfd18fa879120a5658a76","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":126,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T16:28:01.841Z","text":"那就不要完全依赖上诉的辩护律师引用二巡材料，现在就把各种证据送上南区！","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd505a45d44232a8f317e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfd18fa879120a5658a76","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd505a45d44232a8f317e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qa18612b161b5eaab67a7","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":127,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T16:44:10.810Z","text":"对了，检方跑到Ryan的docket下面冲着4位发飙的文件中提到了事情的开端“pax的3000万”。既然检方提了，不是不也可从程序不正义角度回他：“老郭在直播中多次说过这3000万是如何做假的，是如何不让质证的” ，这一点你们检方对视频挖地三尺，为啥没发现啊？\n\n这是不是一脚把整个地基踹翻了？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa18612b161b5eaab67a7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qf1d8c71becb991f18c03","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":128,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-02T16:46:10.387Z","text":"MOS 是公司名，法人是鸟\n和解后，回款也是到MOS。\n鸟给的理由是MOS被Luc追，款项被冻结，这和虾头贪投资款的理由，是一样的。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf2de67b0726ffda30a7b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf1d8c71becb991f18c03","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf2de67b0726ffda30a7b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qbb95207e631fc4ae6e0c","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":129,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-02T16:50:55.329Z","text":"踹不到 扯到了比破产案更远的民事案 没人理","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa18612b161b5eaab67a7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbb95207e631fc4ae6e0c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa18612b161b5eaab67a7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q9152418ccfbbfb7cc824","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":130,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T16:52:01.006Z","text":"踹不到也吼一嗓子\n起码案卷里面有人说出来，托大人也看得到：根就是烂的\n这事你直接说没法说，既然检方提了那就接一句呗","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbb95207e631fc4ae6e0c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9152418ccfbbfb7cc824","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbb95207e631fc4ae6e0c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qc943d1b10b5ec527f649","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":131,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T16:56:40.511Z","text":"？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa18612b161b5eaab67a7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc943d1b10b5ec527f649","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa18612b161b5eaab67a7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q7a849b390ebf6c359da4","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":132,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T16:56:49.018Z","text":"还有这回事？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa18612b161b5eaab67a7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7a849b390ebf6c359da4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa18612b161b5eaab67a7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q0592b8ae58d3ccb97cf0","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":133,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T17:00:18.123Z","text":"有吧？莫非我眼花了😵‍💫","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7a849b390ebf6c359da4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0592b8ae58d3ccb97cf0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7a849b390ebf6c359da4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q269e2714df9ee5fb7dee","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":134,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-02T17:08:53.068Z","text":"［用户 kir***］ what do you think ?","edited":true,"reply_to":"q91d90276e79390380c98","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q269e2714df9ee5fb7dee","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q91d90276e79390380c98","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qed5a7152fe1fb601e189","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":135,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T17:09:45.556Z","text":"这些都是关键点 但都不是docket上能推出来的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q269e2714df9ee5fb7dee","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qed5a7152fe1fb601e189","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q269e2714df9ee5fb7dee","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q2dc11119e73699851c53","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":136,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T17:10:15.509Z","text":"733司法欺诈 螺丝哥被法官滥用裁量权 都是docket可以看出来的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2dc11119e73699851c53","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q3bc7dda08ac75609806d","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":137,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T17:11:23.349Z","text":"你发的这个里面有docket支持的 第一个是王的没收 范围太宽 里面有主权身份冲突没研究 第二个是luc的替代自我没证明 检方就签协议mawah就卖掉","edited":false,"reply_to":"q91d90276e79390380c98","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3bc7dda08ac75609806d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q91d90276e79390380c98","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qca842e7e8afb35f20b0a","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":138,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T17:12:30.659Z","text":"至于其他的 比如和中国政府合谋 这个要很小心","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qca842e7e8afb35f20b0a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qccd2d12e07b775d8cf02","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":139,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-02T17:12:43.240Z","text":"什么叫不是docket上能推出来的？你意思是我们没资格写这个吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qccd2d12e07b775d8cf02","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q53f93d85154e4ab3a965","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":140,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T17:13:09.976Z","text":"就是可以通过案卷的事实","edited":false,"reply_to":"qccd2d12e07b775d8cf02","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q53f93d85154e4ab3a965","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qccd2d12e07b775d8cf02","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q5da965683a81e61a71be","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":141,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-02T17:13:12.753Z","text":"现有文件支持？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5da965683a81e61a71be","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qb7384c5671a54d9dd132","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":142,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T17:13:16.541Z","text":"对","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb7384c5671a54d9dd132","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q5c014e24b0404b3e9fff","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":143,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T17:13:28.224Z","text":"刑事案有一个根基","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5c014e24b0404b3e9fff","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qb68c6a06c226945ffd36","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":144,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T17:13:30.834Z","text":"就是docket","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb68c6a06c226945ffd36","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q57be9342e47a9dfc9de4","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":145,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T17:13:58.457Z","text":"docket上有的问题 如果没人提 第三方提了 确实很炸裂","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q57be9342e47a9dfc9de4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qcb9bb8bd3916c035e28f","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":146,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T17:14:02.588Z","text":"但docket上没有的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcb9bb8bd3916c035e28f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q16f272aef625b439d1f2","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":147,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T17:14:16.508Z","text":"比如tony 你就要用非常规手段打进去","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q16f272aef625b439d1f2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q936f549db1fbd7dbc423","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":148,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T17:14:50.928Z","text":"和中国政府合作 这个 你如果要打进docket 前提是你必须有他们合作的证据 你再用强制令打进去","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q936f549db1fbd7dbc423","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q12bdb1c6c7b45b8f7a8c","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":149,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T17:15:32.739Z","text":"还有不起诉协议 如果你想打进去 你一定要抓到实证 他们犯的什么事情如何不能被不起诉协议保护","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q12bdb1c6c7b45b8f7a8c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q671af179a362ee787f7c","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":150,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-02T17:16:10.081Z","text":"就算合作，如果是合法的，也没什么","edited":false,"reply_to":"q936f549db1fbd7dbc423","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q671af179a362ee787f7c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q936f549db1fbd7dbc423","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qd506ab5d07d94598548d","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":151,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T17:16:26.398Z","text":"额…… 这是盖尔…… 不是郭律师","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0228678acf6008e3ea35","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd506ab5d07d94598548d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qb77f730145fd1f462591","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":152,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-02T17:16:35.598Z","text":"如果不合法，需要证据","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb77f730145fd1f462591","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qbd4863fb7c7b135d9701","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":153,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T17:16:46.206Z","text":"是这样的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb77f730145fd1f462591","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbd4863fb7c7b135d9701","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb77f730145fd1f462591","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qec5c6f2729d9e75a5142","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":154,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T17:16:51.672Z","text":"所以没这么简单","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qec5c6f2729d9e75a5142","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q479d17c3ac9348f679ce","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":155,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T17:17:34.522Z","text":"替代自我 ［用户 joh***］ 之前让天道观察者整理司法路径","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q479d17c3ac9348f679ce","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q3546ce5be0ba4f93d31e","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":156,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-02T17:17:52.812Z","text":"中国政府这个我知道不能随便说，需要铺垫，但如果到了最后关头了，没有其它的办法了，不妨豁出去一试","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3bc7dda08ac75609806d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3546ce5be0ba4f93d31e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3bc7dda08ac75609806d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qd21d7789b529cb4dd226","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":157,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T17:18:00.898Z","text":"这个也可以","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3546ce5be0ba4f93d31e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd21d7789b529cb4dd226","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3546ce5be0ba4f93d31e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q8ea821f4df6c3772f321","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":158,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T17:18:11.077Z","text":"作为骚扰战术 哈哈","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ea821f4df6c3772f321","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q2bf445ef7b60337166f3","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":159,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T17:18:58.448Z","text":"替代自我 一定要找到： luc和检方签协议 是否说替代自我认定之后才能卖","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2bf445ef7b60337166f3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q28780d273a72fbf58de2","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":160,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T17:19:22.257Z","text":"而替代自我 如何没有认定 找出所有docket 破产案和刑事案的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q28780d273a72fbf58de2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q07f428758b22b51b2463","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":161,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T17:19:27.551Z","text":"不是这么容易的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q07f428758b22b51b2463","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qa867f87116616035210f","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":162,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T17:19:43.637Z","text":"733把刑事案破产案docket翻了个遍 才能得出结论","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa867f87116616035210f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qe955fdb03d898600d912","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":163,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T17:20:11.440Z","text":"所有的定论都要有docket和法条支持","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe955fdb03d898600d912","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q9ab275d2eb289aaf867e","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":164,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T17:21:33.814Z","text":"现在你们可以写信给托雷斯 841文件是司法欺诈","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ab275d2eb289aaf867e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q103c710862010e034ead","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":165,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T17:21:49.905Z","text":"引用什么贾小燕的庭外声明和联盟的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q103c710862010e034ead","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q65ec00288b39cbedf82a","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":166,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T17:24:04.263Z","text":"［用户 spr***］ 可以去看一下733和733-1论证司法欺诈的文件","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q65ec00288b39cbedf82a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q7f77c464d29a60211ff3","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":167,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-02T17:24:20.777Z","text":"我认为检方根本没看过你们的东西，你看他们写的你和螺丝哥的，检方这些哈佛学霸根本没把我们这些门外汉放在眼里，写的东西都不带看的😂","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7f77c464d29a60211ff3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q64fec8b5bb5cd70f043b","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":168,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T17:25:09.689Z","text":"检方说了瑞恩指控他司法欺诈 至少看了733🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7f77c464d29a60211ff3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64fec8b5bb5cd70f043b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7f77c464d29a60211ff3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q77ee17f8f8a0bdf4625f","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":169,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-02T17:26:23.785Z","text":"这是一个刑事案，作为移民律师张勇兵和victor天天搅和。还有这个盖尔。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0228678acf6008e3ea35","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q77ee17f8f8a0bdf4625f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qb69aee750f0dcb6d9706","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":170,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-02T17:26:48.937Z","text":"检方回复司法欺诈了？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q64fec8b5bb5cd70f043b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb69aee750f0dcb6d9706","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64fec8b5bb5cd70f043b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qb5bf5f8c4309a4ff6706","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":171,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T17:27:02.464Z","text":"没有回复 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判过一次了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5e900aa1d1666b5b174b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qe3097cfd69e3446553b4","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":183,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-02T17:41:35.947Z","text":"那些给凤凰汇款但是没有委托香草山打官司的，钱现在还在sara那里","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe3097cfd69e3446553b4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q5f23b6630435d1f256ab","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":184,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-02T19:57:40.869Z","text":"在公告里","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd4f82987d62d5add8d4d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f23b6630435d1f256ab","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd4f82987d62d5add8d4d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q229e4c9e36b86ecca6fe","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":185,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T20:03:37.063Z","text":"哦哦","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5f23b6630435d1f256ab","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q229e4c9e36b86ecca6fe","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f23b6630435d1f256ab","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qdf42e6b74bcf55fd1f8a","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":186,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T20:03:50.293Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 你要不可以去记录保存一下","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdf42e6b74bcf55fd1f8a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qef6b65af8212f359e644","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":187,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T20:03:57.561Z","text":"就说这是公然欺诈法庭","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qef6b65af8212f359e644","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qf3a042cdb9fb459c90d2","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":188,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-02T20:04:10.711Z","text":"保存啥","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf3a042cdb9fb459c90d2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q4f660e70ee10b443371a","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":189,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-02T20:04:29.061Z","text":"600万这个吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f660e70ee10b443371a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qea8969aa2ae49fc815a2","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":190,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T20:04:33.306Z","text":"反对量刑在这样的record下进行","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf3a042cdb9fb459c90d2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea8969aa2ae49fc815a2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf3a042cdb9fb459c90d2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q3bb979affb0389f87a65","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":191,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T20:04:35.772Z","text":"对","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3bb979affb0389f87a65","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qdfc0b25c13091e206a5c","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":192,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T20:04:50.339Z","text":"要么是代她签字的那人欺诈法庭","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdfc0b25c13091e206a5c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q9c5b3ef59947ad483343","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":193,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T20:04:54.360Z","text":"要么她自己欺诈法庭","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9c5b3ef59947ad483343","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qca09036c7d541cd58bee","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":194,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T20:04:59.085Z","text":"总有一个是true","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qca09036c7d541cd58bee","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qfd2145aace8ae63d23af","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":195,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-02T20:05:38.418Z","text":"因为跟联盟公告矛盾？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdfc0b25c13091e206a5c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfd2145aace8ae63d23af","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdfc0b25c13091e206a5c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q88349e41a895064a073f","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":196,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T20:06:03.764Z","text":"联盟公告和她个人声明","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfd2145aace8ae63d23af","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q88349e41a895064a073f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfd2145aace8ae63d23af","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q8de963a0cbec4a1e397e","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":197,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T20:06:28.929Z","text":"如果她确实承认被骗 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干扰司法","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4122d91fc2a39e065162","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qe2626f6e28369f3825e3","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":200,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T20:07:10.233Z","text":"说是中共给她压力","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbef6e6aa887b4ee1c102","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe2626f6e28369f3825e3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbef6e6aa887b4ee1c102","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000107","next_batch_id":"batch-000109"}