{"id":"batch-000108","number":108,"revision":1,"date_start":"2026-05-02T07:09:50.845Z","date_end":"2026-05-05T15:51:55.197Z","total_messages":1000,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 108 (May 2, 2026 – May 5, 2026), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Discussions diverged over asset recovery and procedural pacing. Participants debated whether farm loan and Himalaya Exchange transfers constituted investments, deposits, or offset transactions, directly affecting recovery feasibility. Attention focused on whether Second Circuit filings could enter the Southern District docket and whether Taurus or Guo Qiang entities were alter egos. Debates also addressed forfeiture and restitution limits under Section 853 and Honeycutt, while evidentiary standards and submission deadlines faced scrutiny.","guide_en":[{"title":"Disputes over the Classification and Liability of Farm Loan and Himalaya Exchange Funds: Investment, Deposit, or Offset","description":"Participants debate the legal nature of farm loan and Himalaya Exchange transfers, disputing how fund flows determine recovery eligibility.","message_ids":["q9200cf930840a5fd4ffb","q229222d5a59f4d066755","q5fff03b17fd9657caa0a"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q9200cf930840a5fd4ffb","summary_en":"joh*** cites roy*** contending that investors who transferred funds intended for the farm loan project can claim losses and seek relief in the Southern District or the Second Circuit because the project is an involved entity whose operators remain accountable."},{"message_id":"q229222d5a59f4d066755","summary_en":"joh*** asks whether that person was also an investor in Phoenix Farm."},{"message_id":"q5fff03b17fd9657caa0a","summary_en":"ntp*** recounts merely depositing funds rather than joining A10 and asks how such funds are legally categorized."}]},{"title":"Dispute over Second Circuit and Southern District Docket Boundaries: Admitting Core Evidence and Timing of Supplemental Filings","description":"Participants debate procedural avenues for transferring Second Circuit evidence onto the Southern District docket to compel judicial review.","message_ids":["q512e37ed3ec262ce6501","q385370ab0bd289b91390","q16dd8b8c169b404108fe"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q512e37ed3ec262ce6501","summary_en":"yyy*** contends that presenting too many demands at once to the Second Circuit might prove excessively difficult."},{"message_id":"q385370ab0bd289b91390","summary_en":"yyy*** argues in favor of filing a CVRA motion to demand money directly from co-conspirators and defendants other than Guo."},{"message_id":"q16dd8b8c169b404108fe","summary_en":"yyy*** suggests citing specific filings by Ryan from the Second Circuit to place that evidence onto the Southern District docket and force the judge to review it."}]},{"title":"Disagreement over the Boundary Between Victims and Co-conspirators: Whether the Same Group Can Claim Victim Losses","description":"Participants dispute the prosecution's victim classifications and debate whether identified supporters are treated as victims.","message_ids":["qd78e817715054f778193","q77e9cf0ba5b5b6867f40","qea4cfdbe1e83cf864c7d"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qd78e817715054f778193","summary_en":"kir*** describes individuals persecuted by the CCP as a result of Guo's alleged fraud as falling under the prosecution's category of secondary victims."},{"message_id":"q77e9cf0ba5b5b6867f40","summary_en":"kir*** questions why those individuals ended up aligned with the defense."},{"message_id":"qea4cfdbe1e83cf864c7d","summary_en":"kir*** contends that the alleged supporters represented by the defense are entirely classified as victims by the prosecution."}]},{"title":"Alter Ego and the Ownership of Guo Qiang and Related Entities: Independent Legal Persons or Nominee Control","description":"Participants debate whether related corporate entities operate as independent legal persons or as alter egos under nominee control.","message_ids":["q8c27c4331ce00fef8619","qbb6810ba3b6cb7add7b1","q9074d0bade82e0fb7ea3"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q8c27c4331ce00fef8619","summary_en":"joh*** describes how bankruptcy trustee Luc and the prosecution framed involved companies as Guo's alter ego and G Enterprise to convince the jury, supported by witness testimony."},{"message_id":"qbb6810ba3b6cb7add7b1","summary_en":"joh*** contends that the legal representative of Taurus was Guo's bodyguard and had no connection to the Guo family."},{"message_id":"q9074d0bade82e0fb7ea3","summary_en":"joh*** describes Luc attempting and failing to attribute Guo Qiang's corporate assets to Guo, resulting in an order to pay Guo Qiang's attorney fees."}]},{"title":"Evidentiary Threshold for Fund Tracing: Whether Fund Arrival at Phoenix or Spice Mountain Equals Direct Deposit","description":"Participants discuss the tracing of funds between Phoenix Farm and Spice Mountain, disputing whether bank arrival constitutes verified deposit.","message_ids":["q5fd00495f4a327702b24","q0c0ce428f6ec35902a36","qef22793d50d35fa5ab38"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q5fd00495f4a327702b24","summary_en":"mil*** recounts signing an agreement transferring Phoenix funds to Spice Mountain and states the completed transfer left the money with Changdao."},{"message_id":"q0c0ce428f6ec35902a36","summary_en":"yyy*** shares a court docket record concerning Mountains of Spices LLC v. Lafrenz."},{"message_id":"qef22793d50d35fa5ab38","summary_en":"reb*** argues that depositing funds directly into Himalaya Exchange prevents the exchange from denying receipt."}]},{"title":"Boundaries of the Loss and Forfeiture Framework: Restitution, Forfeiture, and the Applicability of Section 853 and Honeycutt","description":"Participants analyze legal distinctions between restitution and forfeiture, debating the relevance of 21 U.S.C. § 853 and Honeycutt v. United States.","message_ids":["qe76bf39d95fc67e5a6da","q2cc1ba4b6d536e04dac1","qf3d341ba2ae5e2c43de4"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qe76bf39d95fc67e5a6da","summary_en":"spr*** contends that prosecutors counted 1,250 investors' funds toward sentencing loss without intending to reimburse them, distinguishing sentencing loss from restitution orders that exclude 1,198 individuals denying victimhood."},{"message_id":"q2cc1ba4b6d536e04dac1","summary_en":"roy*** argues that Honeycutt v. United States, 21 U.S.C. § 853, Section 853(n), and Dkt. 716-4 limit forfeiture to personally obtained proceeds and prohibit joint and several liability across unproven alter egos."},{"message_id":"qf3d341ba2ae5e2c43de4","summary_en":"joh*** contends that restitution was entirely replaced by forfeiture, leaving the 1,250 supporters without compensation."}]},{"title":"Prosecutorial Structure and Procedural Disputes: Brady Disclosures, Witness Rebuttals, and Flaws in Adjudication","description":"Participants dispute prosecutorial circular reasoning regarding RICO allegations and allege procedural injustices warranting a retrial.","message_ids":["q1c0f6370d915b64e1cf5","qc0b570a9a3b6f25c9c1c","qfb8a3e2d48f779894d2a"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q1c0f6370d915b64e1cf5","summary_en":"reb*** contends that the government concealed that G series ownership by Guo was never independently proven and improperly used trustee-generated legal outcomes to prove RICO."},{"message_id":"qc0b570a9a3b6f25c9c1c","summary_en":"reb*** argues that the prosecution engaged in circular reasoning by using alleged conspiracies to prove conspiracy and G series ownership to prove ownership."},{"message_id":"qfb8a3e2d48f779894d2a","summary_en":"hel*** argues that excessive doubts and procedural injustice in the case warrant dismissal and a retrial."}]},{"title":"Time Windows and Enforcement Focus: Submissions Before June 29, Mandamus Petitions, and Urging Deadlines","description":"Participants examine procedural filing deadlines before June 29, 2026, and discuss the impact of mandamus petitions on sentencing.","message_ids":["q26bdcc430efdb4b989bd","q7182e06946b2862224a7","q73f738092594bfbe3a48"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q26bdcc430efdb4b989bd","summary_en":"kir*** states being unsure of the document number."},{"message_id":"q7182e06946b2862224a7","summary_en":"yyy*** contends that the Second Circuit must carefully address the more than ten mandamus petitions filed for the same case rather than easily dismissing them."},{"message_id":"q73f738092594bfbe3a48","summary_en":"kir*** asks whether participants believe sentencing will still occur on Jun 29, 2026."}]},{"title":"Disputes over Evidence Source Credibility: Distinguishing External Posts and Livestreams from Court-Verifiable Materials","description":"Participants dispute the evidentiary weight of online social media posts and speculative narratives versus verifiable court records.","message_ids":["qf48536d2246dfe12a250","q92060c39613f166a38b8","q0f2c832761fe9f8dfb79"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qf48536d2246dfe12a250","summary_en":"him*** speculates that the current state of the case is seventy percent driven by the Alliance, twenty percent by the CCP, and ten percent by the U.S. government."},{"message_id":"q92060c39613f166a38b8","summary_en":"joh*** points to a redacted privacy reference numbered 131."},{"message_id":"q0f2c832761fe9f8dfb79","summary_en":"roy*** shares an external social 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return of their funds from the case."}]},{"title":"Divergence in Appeal and Realistic Expectations: Lowered Overturn Expectations and Shifting Focus to Sentencing and Procedural Routes","description":"Participants dispute the likelihood of overturning convictions on appeal and debate whether relief is limited to sentencing challenges.","message_ids":["qfb20474819e60928acb0","qff3b6fe51eaa493f5139","q2dae075d414294c6836c"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qfb20474819e60928acb0","summary_en":"joh*** argues that Guo entered a plea of not guilty and that the goal was never solely focused on reducing the sentence."},{"message_id":"qff3b6fe51eaa493f5139","summary_en":"joh*** contends that having the case dismissed is fundamentally difficult and virtually impossible."},{"message_id":"q2dae075d414294c6836c","summary_en":"mia*** contends that only defendants have standing to appeal for acquittal on procedural grounds, precluding third parties from demanding dismissal or prosecutors from dropping 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arguments, which should instead be filed directly in the Southern District."}]}],"summary":"讨论围绕资产追责与程序推进形成分岐。对farm loan与喜交所款项究竟是投资、存款还是对敲，意见不一，直接影响追偿可行性。二巡与南区是否能补齐并正式写入docket、能否替代先前卷宗，成了推进节奏核心。另一主线集中在alter ego与公司财产归属：Taurus及郭强相关实体是否独立法人、是否代持控制，进而牵动受害者与共谋身份。对损失与没收框架的理解也分歧明显，涉及restitution、forfeiture、853及Honeycutt下金额边界。资金去向证据上，部分成员坚持“先有可核验链路”，反对仅凭“到账”作结。时间窗口、强制令与材料提交体现执行导向，但外部帖文与非核实线索的证据价值持续受质疑，整体呈现法庭程序与舆论叙事并行竞争。","guide":[{"title":"farm loan与喜交所款项属性归责争议：投资、存款还是对敲","message_ids":["q9200cf930840a5fd4ffb","q229222d5a59f4d066755","q5fff03b17fd9657caa0a"]},{"title":"二巡与南区docket边界争执：能否引入核心证据与补录时点","message_ids":["q512e37ed3ec262ce6501","q385370ab0bd289b91390","q16dd8b8c169b404108fe"]},{"title":"受害者与共谋角色边界分歧：是否同一人群可主张受害损失","message_ids":["qd78e817715054f778193","q77e9cf0ba5b5b6867f40","qea4cfdbe1e83cf864c7d"]},{"title":"alter 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spr***］","edited":true,"reply_to":"q5b4eb253d26e1be33595","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbb746d4eea1cc96cbc23","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5b4eb253d26e1be33595","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q5003811891cb518fa1d3","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":10,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-02T07:28:35.335Z","text":"说是放弃了不明白啥原因","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbb746d4eea1cc96cbc23","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5003811891cb518fa1d3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbb746d4eea1cc96cbc23","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qdf3d5b3993fb02c77701","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":11,"speaker":"wen***","date":"2026-05-02T07:29:11.993Z","text":"A10","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc45abb939de9a6b8ccae","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdf3d5b3993fb02c77701","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc45abb939de9a6b8ccae","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q229222d5a59f4d066755","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":12,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-02T07:31:56.319Z","text":"他也是凤凰农场的投资？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5003811891cb518fa1d3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q229222d5a59f4d066755","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5003811891cb518fa1d3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q5fff03b17fd9657caa0a","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":13,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-02T07:33:02.612Z","text":"我没入a10只是存款进去，那算啥","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdf3d5b3993fb02c77701","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5fff03b17fd9657caa0a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdf3d5b3993fb02c77701","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qbc1cdea9f4d8ed8f24cd","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":14,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-02T07:33:13.726Z","text":"对","edited":false,"reply_to":"q229222d5a59f4d066755","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbc1cdea9f4d8ed8f24cd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q229222d5a59f4d066755","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q0a32537504a86a0ef832","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":15,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-02T07:33:35.630Z","text":"对敲，没给HDO?","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5fff03b17fd9657caa0a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0a32537504a86a0ef832","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5fff03b17fd9657caa0a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q7955a46a222ae89b78b6","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":16,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-02T07:34:03.536Z","text":"给啦，不给算啥对敲，难不成给我美刀😆","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0a32537504a86a0ef832","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7955a46a222ae89b78b6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0a32537504a86a0ef832","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qc7209e36a705823fe4b9","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":17,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-02T07:34:50.808Z","text":"那就不是项目","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7955a46a222ae89b78b6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc7209e36a705823fe4b9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7955a46a222ae89b78b6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q5aa5bd7d18714d50ce1e","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":18,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-02T07:35:13.427Z","text":"那这钱怎么要呢","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc7209e36a705823fe4b9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5aa5bd7d18714d50ce1e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc7209e36a705823fe4b9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q9127ab80427c49aa4823","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":19,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-02T07:35:25.314Z","text":"这是我在喜交所的资产","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9127ab80427c49aa48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它也在第三版起诉书上，共谋犯啊\n\n6.29近在眼前，来来回回发文件消耗时间，时不我待🙏\n\n这次也以正大光明扛着CVRA上南区要求共谋犯回应，明确自己是共谋犯的受害者，绝不是大神的受害者，顺便也能帮大神一把？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1348f9ed5ede1b3d2715","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea336f0231f1c8484722","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1348f9ed5ede1b3d2715","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q4d4cdfd17550cd4db87a","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":30,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-02T07:53:55.955Z","text":"凡是全球喜马拉雅农场联盟委员会组织的项目，负责人应该是王雪斌，这个联盟成立在新西兰，王雪斌应该是创立者和法人，它还是联盟主席。只要钱进入以这个联盟的名义成立的实体，都要找王雪斌。目前灭共演员咬夏其东和李亚，但它们都没有咬王雪斌。对了，王雪斌可是孔子学院的人。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9200cf930840a5fd4ffb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4d4cdfd17550cd4db87a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9200cf930840a5fd4ffb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qab2bbac06fcda0162e4a","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":31,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T07:55:03.063Z","text":"你强制令免费，要不就新起一个强制令，一个强制令专注于一件事，只要合乎法理，二巡应该会强制南区处理","edited":false,"reply_to":"q743790a7f4be4e4aa1de","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qab2bbac06fcda0162e4a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q743790a7f4be4e4aa1de","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q5d988e331abf90f9ec8c","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":32,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-02T07:57:45.666Z","text":"问题是我南区动议里的问题二巡现在基本都提到过了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qab2bbac06fcda0162e4a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d988e331abf90f9ec8c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qab2bbac06fcda0162e4a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q670f62b5faad8c7f0a96","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":33,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-02T07:58:04.082Z","text":"大家有没有把法治基金和法治社会的管理人员，根据美国纽约州法律，到底谁有权任命它们，这个问题弄清楚？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q670f62b5faad8c7f0a96","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q512e37ed3ec262ce6501","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":34,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T07:59:26.460Z","text":"总觉得一次诉求太多二巡可能很难吧？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5d988e331abf90f9ec8c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q512e37ed3ec262ce6501","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d988e331abf90f9ec8c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qe3bcb9c8c0843e6d2096","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":35,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T08:09:28.501Z","text":"你们都是853，本来853就是要你说明你的财产在政府没收公告的哪个账户中，现在有九指，夏之间的官司，要求政府开示，到底你的钱在哪个账户中，也是合情合理","edited":false,"reply_to":"qea336f0231f1c8484722","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe3bcb9c8c0843e6d2096","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea336f0231f1c8484722","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q385370ab0bd289b91390","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":36,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T08:17:22.212Z","text":"对啊！ 上CVRA动议，把自己的诉求找法庭上这几个共谋犯和除了大神以外的被告直接要钱，岂不是更直接，更能反映案子本质，也能帮助大神？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q004a84d1133a1c969bae","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q385370ab0bd289b91390","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q004a84d1133a1c969bae","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q0c5e757b8b9f557b02ab","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":37,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-02T08:21:42.211Z","text":"青这帮人，就是直播带货的骗子，没有合法身份 \n什么联盟秘书长，联盟行政委员会，都是他们自己封的而已，骗韭菜\n834里检方明摆着是知道这一点，只说他和佳佳是主持人","edited":false,"reply_to":"q670f62b5faad8c7f0a96","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0c5e757b8b9f557b02ab","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q670f62b5faad8c7f0a96","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qfbb9daa0df043065cb49","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":38,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-02T08:28:14.747Z","text":"二巡不是并案了嘛","edited":false,"reply_to":"q512e37ed3ec262ce6501","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfbb9daa0df043065cb49","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q512e37ed3ec262ce6501","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q25164d9c84974a9fd3c8","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":39,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T08:56:26.569Z","text":"同一批人审，不见得统一回复吧？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfbb9daa0df043065cb49","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q25164d9c84974a9fd3c8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfbb9daa0df043065cb49","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q82b79b03701d9c772665","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":40,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-05-02T09:16:34.636Z","text":"https://x.com/baoliaogeming/status/2050504654648488176?s=20","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q82b79b03701d9c772665","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q7d66bf83d7e0168710a5","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":41,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-02T09:39:31.163Z","text":"除了瑞恩的，其他都没回复","edited":false,"reply_to":"q25164d9c84974a9fd3c8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7d66bf83d7e0168710a5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q25164d9c84974a9fd3c8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q0324dd1045e4fd39d23c","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":42,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-05-02T09:52:10.506Z","text":"喜交所与郭没联系； 最应该第三方853n 才对； 余干什么/洗钱（？），与郭没关系。\n\n目前余的角色是陷害郭的一个 - 100% 确认了吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1ecfc3e5feba65c7153d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0324dd1045e4fd39d23c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1ecfc3e5feba65c7153d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q018fe5c625b604ce30d4","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":43,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-05-02T09:53:16.948Z","text":"我会着手写 些东西","edited":false,"reply_to":"q385370ab0bd289b91390","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q018fe5c625b604ce30d4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q385370ab0bd289b91390","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q9f92c564442ee7f09d87","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":44,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T10:10:23.326Z","text":"又想了一下，还是谨慎用CVRA吧，你是853，一样可以用853的身份要求政府开示：九指，夏，他们之间的官司，还有之前香港必胜提到的某人起诉的官司，问你的钱到底去哪里了，谁在撒谎？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q018fe5c625b604ce30d4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9f92c564442ee7f09d87","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q018fe5c625b604ce30d4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q084279397d9210fe1f24","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":45,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-02T10:29:25.135Z","text":"第三版起诉书这样描述：\n喜交所也属于郭集团，是涉嫌欺诈的四个主要实体之一（GTV /farm loan /Gclub /喜交所）\n要把喜交所和郭剥离，最好的办法就是投资者个人直面HEX，让HEX回应","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0324dd1045e4fd39d23c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q084279397d9210fe1f24","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0324dd1045e4fd39d23c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q16dd8b8c169b404108fe","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":46,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T10:38:57.755Z","text":"还有，是不是再引用Ryan在二巡质疑这帮货的具体的法庭文件，把Ryan在二巡的证据拉到南区的docket上，让南区处理，这样二巡的证据就正式进入南区并且逼着托大人圈阅一下","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9f92c564442ee7f09d87","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q16dd8b8c169b404108fe","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9f92c564442ee7f09d87","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q6083e3724f57aaecb239","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":47,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-02T10:57:47.682Z","text":"这些给二巡能行吗？二巡只管程序问题","edited":false,"reply_to":"q018fe5c625b604ce30d4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6083e3724f57aaecb239","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q018fe5c625b604ce30d4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qac4cc34d7fdb5112d7da","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":48,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T10:58:15.019Z","text":"写给南区，找二巡让南区docket并处理","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6083e3724f57aaecb239","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qac4cc34d7fdb5112d7da","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6083e3724f57aaecb239","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qc4bbd889d7d3bc493283","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":49,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T11:02:37.854Z","text":"再拓展一点点：以九指，夏，mos的骚操作为入口，拉上Ryan在二巡对这帮货的质疑，是不是就能够合理地提出质疑：是不是该抓的人检方没抓，不该抓的抓了？这就有了一个突破口。\n\n所有这些事都可以用853身份要求开示一小部分证据为由头：“我不知道我投九指的钱在哪里，我需要写853啊，检方你帮我查查？”","edited":false,"reply_to":"q16dd8b8c169b404108fe","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc4bbd889d7d3bc493283","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q16dd8b8c169b404108fe","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q1fbc2903b17ebd7d6368","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":50,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-02T11:04:25.528Z","text":"夏与检方签的不起诉协议，应该和王雪冰差不多，是关于洗钱的，换取指认郭是总指挥，他们只是听命令","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc4bbd889d7d3bc493283","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1fbc2903b17ebd7d6368","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc4bbd889d7d3bc493283","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qe49a042196080aeefc4e","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":51,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T11:05:27.047Z","text":"案卷上有 写明 夏 签了不起诉协议吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1fbc2903b17ebd7d6368","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe49a042196080aeefc4e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1fbc2903b17ebd7d6368","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qea215e005f51bbe76d27","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":52,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-02T11:05:53.507Z","text":"看不到，类似张永兵","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe49a042196080aeefc4e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea215e005f51bbe76d27","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe49a042196080aeefc4e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qd1005b9811970fe62228","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":53,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T11:08:56.537Z","text":"那就更不能让检方帮着这帮货把钱给吞了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qea215e005f51bbe76d27","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd1005b9811970fe62228","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea215e005f51bbe76d27","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q3fc9f30c46b4522ed15d","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":54,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-02T11:14:56.116Z","text":"夏如果吞了魏的凤凰农场和解后的转款，那就不是洗钱，而是诈骗，免起诉协议无用","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3fc9f30c46b4522ed15d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qb3d55f427d2f101ed6ac","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":55,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T11:18:09.615Z","text":"这个重要‼️也就是说检方可以直接抓他没阻碍","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3fc9f30c46b4522ed15d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb3d55f427d2f101ed6ac","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3fc9f30c46b4522ed15d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q7850f5ee90f37920faf5","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":56,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-02T12:28:10.481Z","text":"托雷斯，自己延期后，一个星期过去了，也没有批准那个fotico 听证，也没有任命主事官，准备延期两个月啥也不干，就是让破产法庭那边补程序和漏洞吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7850f5ee90f37920faf5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q1af1ba23fae2088bfd25","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":57,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T13:01:50.532Z","text":"等着大家上证据啊，托大人不是说证据太多，情况复杂\n我们帮她捋一捋","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7850f5ee90f37920faf5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1af1ba23fae2088bfd25","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7850f5ee90f37920faf5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qe76bf39d95fc67e5a6da","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":58,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-02T13:02:10.368Z","text":"我知道检方为什么要这1250人名单了，检方为了名正言顺的不给钱他们，检方会仍然把这1250人的投资额计入损失金额，但是又不赔偿他们。。3. 赔偿（Restitution）与量刑损失（Sentencing Loss）的区别\n这是回答您问题的关键点：\n\n量刑损失（影响刑期）：法官在决定郭文贵要坐多少年牢时，会看总金额。如果法官认为郭的“意图”是诈骗全盘资金，那么这 6900 多万美元可能不会被扣除。\n\n赔偿总额（影响赔钱）：在判决赔偿时，法律通常只支持返还给那些自认为受害并提出申请的人。因此，这 1,198 名否认受害的人，其投资的 6900 多万美元通常不会被纳入赔偿令（Restitution Order）中发还给他们。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe76bf39d95fc67e5a6da","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q876d7aa0bd5876cf84f1","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":59,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-02T13:03:23.832Z","text":"总结结论：\n这 $69,430,047 是否被扣除，完全取决于法官 Analisa Torres 对该案性质的定性：\n\n如果法官接受辩方观点，认为这些是“合法的自愿投资”，则会扣除，从而可能显著减轻郭文贵的刑期。\n\n如果法官采纳控方观点，认为这是一场涉及全球、利用影响力进行的“整体欺诈”，则这部分金额仍会被计入“意图损失”中，不予扣除。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q876d7aa0bd5876cf84f1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qf3d341ba2ae5e2c43de4","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":60,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-02T13:10:51.788Z","text":"没有赔偿restitution，被没收forfeiture 取代了\n1250支持者，支持了个寂寞","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf3d341ba2ae5e2c43de4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qe432c61fa66c34dd4641","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":61,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-05-02T13:26:28.773Z","text":"夏在推特上可是说过， 他要是不同意，谁也拿回来钱。 我发到这里了。现在找不到那个截图了。谁能再发一下？ 谢谢","edited":false,"reply_to":"q50a810b3cb69f0e92dec","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe432c61fa66c34dd4641","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q8ec11eef1aa3e3471d3f","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":62,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-02T13:28:16.496Z","text":"检方公开过和共谋们的不起诉协议吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ec11eef1aa3e3471d3f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qbc7a7228870a71fe11d7","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":63,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-02T13:28:19.943Z","text":"弹劾证据（Impeachment Evidence）：根据 Giglio v. United States 判例，检方必须公开所有给证人的优待协议。辩方律师会在法庭上当众质疑：“你是因为贪污被抓，为了不坐牢才说谎指控我当事人的吗？”\n\n\n证据链闭环：法官和陪审团通常不会仅凭一个有污点的证人的话就定罪。控方必须拿出银行流水、通信记录等硬证据来交叉验证证词的真实性 。\n\n法律红线：如果检方明知证人在说谎却依然使用其证词，这违反了正当程序（Due Process），一旦查实，整个案件可能会被撤销或重审。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbc7a7228870a71fe11d7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qbcebb748ef022ff20b0d","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":64,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-02T13:29:50.932Z","text":"我只看到检方要求都走没收的动议，托雷斯批准了吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf3d341ba2ae5e2c43de4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbcebb748ef022ff20b0d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf3d341ba2ae5e2c43de4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q8ffdac539d154fff91d7","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":65,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-02T13:30:59.389Z","text":"就是检方在没收里，会名正言顺的不给这1250人钱","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf3d341ba2ae5e2c43de4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ffdac539d154fff91d7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf3d341ba2ae5e2c43de4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qc814fc08727f664e7552","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":66,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-02T13:31:55.601Z","text":"这不检方开始反对二巡自诉人了?","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7850f5ee90f37920faf5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc814fc08727f664e7552","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7850f5ee90f37920faf5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qa5e5905524b71d8ecc21","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":67,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-02T13:33:19.961Z","text":"这两个月就是解决二巡的问题吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa5e5905524b71d8ecc21","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qa8611c9554ec8ee57a1e","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":68,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-02T13:36:47.887Z","text":"当然同意了，不然郭案怎么能开始预没收，和853n登记？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbcebb748ef022ff20b0d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa8611c9554ec8ee57a1e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbcebb748ef022ff20b0d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q06c65f69379cc741161c","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":69,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-02T13:37:39.909Z","text":"托雷斯说的可是因为826,828,833，导致有很多复杂的问题需要解决，她的意思是让政府去解决？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc814fc08727f664e7552","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q06c65f69379cc741161c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc814fc08727f664e7552","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q77c5316e73f0f778ff92","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":70,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-02T13:38:28.527Z","text":"没看懂","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8ffdac539d154fff91d7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q77c5316e73f0f778ff92","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ffdac539d154fff91d7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qa46ed22f883c715a0e60","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":71,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-02T13:38:33.388Z","text":"延期真实原因不一定是她说的那样","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa46ed22f883c715a0e60","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q3e93cff2c106e94b1011","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":72,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-02T13:39:05.711Z","text":"反对王的没收协议和LUC没有证明替代自我就把g系列归为郭的资产从而过来抢钱迫在眉睫啊，你们之前没有写过吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbcebb748ef022ff20b0d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3e93cff2c106e94b1011","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbcebb748ef022ff20b0d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q29d8f3e43143b1942fe8","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":73,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-02T13:39:34.566Z","text":"那三个文件就是对应的请主事官的钱怎么出，控辩双方对金钱判决扯皮没扯清楚。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q29d8f3e43143b1942fe8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-0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在初步没收之后，是前几月的事情","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa8611c9554ec8ee57a1e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q38f9c7342b8a483eb00d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa8611c9554ec8ee57a1e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q0c33a797e0785ee95671","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":75,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-02T13:41:27.333Z","text":"检方remission 会名正言顺的不给这1250人钱","edited":false,"reply_to":"q77c5316e73f0f778ff92","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0c33a797e0785ee95671","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q77c5316e73f0f778ff92","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q69dad98ba3ff8759904a","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":76,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-02T13:43:39.647Z","text":"不仅是这1250，所有投资者都没份。它们的计划就是交给luc，投资者是普通债权人，然后无担保债权人分了就没有了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0c33a797e0785ee95671","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q69dad98ba3ff8759904a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0c33a797e0785ee95671","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q769391cdbfa858639e85","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":77,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-02T13:46:39.069Z","text":"青的填表，和最新的喜交所宣誓，目的都是配合检方走remission","edited":false,"reply_to":"q38f9c7342b8a483eb00d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q769391cdbfa858639e85","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q38f9c7342b8a483eb00d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qb847620e5d946f99a882","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":78,"speaker":"mil***","date":"2026-05-02T13:54:28.111Z","text":"大家好，我刚进来还不知东南西北，请问凤凰转到长岛手里的钱还能要回来吗，有什么途径要回吗，要怎么做","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb847620e5d946f99a882","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q28ce8c31cac24ee08648","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":79,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-02T13:54:39.520Z","text":"我们对这些没有可以写的吧，这些也不是最紧迫致命的。最紧迫致命的是：王没资格同意没收。luc没有证明郭替代自我。LUC和检方在玛哈庄园产权没定之前就签了协议把玛哈给luc 。损失金额方面的问题。这些钱都是危害国家安全罪的资金而托雷斯不让谈。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q769391cdbfa858639e85","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q28ce8c31cac24ee08648","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q769391cdbfa858639e85","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q2d8fabe72902da1537c3","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":80,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-02T13:55:42.141Z","text":"巧了，今天正好在扯这个事儿🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb847620e5d946f99a882","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2d8fabe72902da1537c3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb847620e5d946f99a882","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qdb9db93417874d2560bf","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":81,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T13:56:21.482Z","text":"还有他在直播中说过九指那的钱香草山打官司拿回来了，但是被政府查封，不信去问律师","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe432c61fa66c34dd4641","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdb9db93417874d2560bf","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe432c61fa66c34dd4641","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qff073761ecec0b855e9d","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":82,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-02T13:56:43.123Z","text":"Mahwah庄园可以先不谈","edited":false,"reply_to":"q28ce8c31cac24ee08648","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qff073761ecec0b855e9d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q28ce8c31cac24ee08648","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q27205135b9a54c58e49b","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":83,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-02T13:57:52.360Z","text":"还有要求检方公开和共谋的不起诉协议，公开就此案和中国政府有哪些合作","edited":false,"reply_to":"q28ce8c31cac24ee08648","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q27205135b9a54c58e49b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q28ce8c31cac24ee08648","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qd6500004725c655d02db","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":84,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-02T13:59:05.665Z","text":"问检方找中国政府拿的证据知不知道这些都是中国政府用暴力胁迫取得的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd6500004725c655d02db","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q3162062b0b830cef7745","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":85,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-02T14:00:19.075Z","text":"最近中美一直联合办案啊, 前两天还有报道呢","edited":false,"reply_to":"q27205135b9a54c58e49b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3162062b0b830cef7745","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q27205135b9a54c58e49b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q08a07e01ce34064314cd","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":86,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-02T14:00:55.143Z","text":"到南区法庭发动议开示证据，夏其东收到的钱是被不起诉协议不强制上交了还是被美国政府冻结了？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb847620e5d946f99a882","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q08a07e01ce34064314cd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb847620e5d946f99a882","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q75e468043506223d4330","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":87,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-02T14:03:01.184Z","text":"鬼知道是不是被鸟吞了，不肯拿出来","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdb9db93417874d2560bf","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q75e468043506223d4330","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdb9db93417874d2560bf","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qf48536d2246dfe12a250","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":88,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-02T14:06:15.147Z","text":"我猜测，这个案子现在这个样子，70%是因为联盟操作，20%中共直接操作, 10%美国政府","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf48536d2246dfe12a250","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q8c31dd1f53fcf1a794d1","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":89,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-02T14:08:46.778Z","text":"鸟 青 两套演员","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf48536d2246dfe12a250","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8c31dd1f53fcf1a794d1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf48536d2246dfe12a250","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qe777278fc1137e37f92a","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":90,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-02T14:09:15.092Z","text":"841是这两届 配合表演","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe777278fc1137e37f92a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q63b4aaba93af14238b59","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":91,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-02T14:11:20.529Z","text":"鸟王雪冰李亚背后不是中共？为什么要把联盟摘出来？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf48536d2246dfe12a250","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q63b4aaba93af14238b59","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf48536d2246dfe12a250","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qe7807f501167b43eed71","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":92,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-02T14:12:25.867Z","text":"中美最近一直联合办案打击跨国电诈, 数字货币洗钱，很普遍","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe7807f501167b43eed71","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q0c1688884b1f14bfa81e","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":93,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-02T14:13:37.451Z","text":"谁知道，有可能，也有可能他们本身就是骗子","edited":false,"reply_to":"q63b4aaba93af14238b59","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0c1688884b1f14bfa81e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q63b4aaba93af14238b59","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q91d90276e79390380c98","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":94,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-02T14:14:06.866Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] [删节：隐私信息] 你认为我说的对吗？最紧迫致命的是：王没资格同意没收。luc没有证明郭替代自我。LUC和检方在玛哈庄园产权没定之前就签了协议把玛哈给luc 。损失金额方面的问题。这些钱都是危害国家安全罪的资金而托雷斯不让谈。还有要求检方公开和共谋的不起诉协议，公开就此案和中国政府有哪些合作\n问检方找中国政府拿的证据知不知道这些都是中国政府用暴力胁迫取得的,问为什么美国司法部的中共的目标高度一致：都是致力于用诈骗罪把郭送进监狱","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q91d90276e79390380c98","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q526751025719459bb9ee","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":95,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-02T14:16:45.591Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 所以这是为什么必须上高法，中国政府都是用暴力胁迫拿证据，为什么美国要用这样的中国政府证据，","edited":true,"reply_to":"qe7807f501167b43eed71","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q526751025719459bb9ee","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe7807f501167b43eed71","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qa440f293ad5f965c99fb","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":96,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-02T14:25:26.368Z","text":"群主意思是 两届联盟，在里面捣鬼的最多，他们可能也是听命于背后的Ccp，但本身里面不少人就是骗子","edited":false,"reply_to":"q63b4aaba93af14238b59","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa440f293ad5f965c99fb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q63b4aaba93af14238b59","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q20ba9dcb1a2963027afd","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":97,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-05-02T14:28:56.727Z","text":"我不懂啊！","edited":false,"reply_to":"q91d90276e79390380c98","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q20ba9dcb1a2963027afd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q91d90276e79390380c98","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q47a61e6b6845d1bc7d6f","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":98,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-05-02T14:33:09.804Z","text":"刚刚发现的一些图片 看能不能给你们灵感 综合检方833 根据自己情况 写","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q47a61e6b6845d1bc7d6f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q992b7b06fce537ac72c1","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":99,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T14:47:38.703Z","text":"我感觉每个人就打自己能紧密联系、有理由打的点、狠狠打，最后真相也就出来了。如果高度太高，二巡南区可能都不会理。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd6162fbe098924412560","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q992b7b06fce537ac72c1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q2fb37b4d61003accd3c7","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":100,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T14:49:42.304Z","text":"看了你的853，我就觉得你有足够多的理由调查九指、夏、他们之间的官司、要求检方需要开示证据到底有什么猫腻。打着打着，假的东西藏不住，应该也能为营救大神出把力的。别人涉及此事的金额不够或者没有，冲出来要求开示没资格，但你有足够的资格","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd6162fbe098924412560","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2fb37b4d61003accd3c7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q26da7702bc046be7299d","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":101,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-02T14:50:00.956Z","text":"🐦那会让听联盟的电话应该是真人吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"q47a61e6b6845d1bc7d6f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q26da7702bc046be7299d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q47a61e6b6845d1bc7d6f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q90ec7f6cb46997514dfc","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":102,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-02T14:50:42.927Z","text":"对的 那个真","edited":false,"reply_to":"q26da7702bc046be7299d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q90ec7f6cb46997514dfc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q26da7702bc046be7299d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q28c7d629d3a2e4d98bd5","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":103,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-02T14:53:21.044Z","text":"可以尝试通过 南区-二巡-南区docket 逼鸟出来回应，他和凤凰农场的和解款，去向在哪","edited":false,"reply_to":"q992b7b06fce537ac72c1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q28c7d629d3a2e4d98bd5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q992b7b06fce537ac72c1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qda3333f8034b95fe2b1c","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":104,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T14:54:03.347Z","text":"立刻做的事，只有不到两个月的窗口期了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q28c7d629d3a2e4d98bd5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qda3333f8034b95fe2b1c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q28c7d629d3a2e4d98bd5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qe981a0849d6a17bf397d","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":105,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-02T14:54:32.766Z","text":"他吞了，那就是欺诈\n这笔钱，就不应该算在郭头上","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe981a0849d6a17bf397d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q5aa35b0f9b8d61fda14e","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":106,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T14:56:28.906Z","text":"对！只有这样从底层吧骗子们都揪出来，大神才能自证清白","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe981a0849d6a17bf397d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5aa35b0f9b8d61fda14e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe981a0849d6a17bf397d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qeb5d02ec8fdb8bf831a3","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":107,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T15:00:41.250Z","text":"还有打的过程中，给南区的材料有机会可以引用Ryan在二巡的各种弹药，这样新证据顺理成章进入南区案卷。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeb5d02ec8fdb8bf831a3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q583c00756bf75059e7df","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":108,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T15:03:09.588Z","text":"［用户 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不然不会在这闲扯","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4b85d4f2cea06473c4e7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q5b411986ce984a963843","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":111,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-02T15:07:09.550Z","text":"翻案要到上诉\n现在是打证据到案子里，有疑问的地方，都要提出来","edited":false,"reply_to":"q05c08a6d01fd750b5236","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5b411986ce984a963843","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qfb20474819e60928acb0","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":112,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-02T15:09:16.183Z","text":"郭是无罪辩护，这里的目的，本来就不是单纯减少量刑","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfb20474819e60928acb0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qff3b6fe51eaa493f5139","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":113,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-02T15:09:53.963Z","text":"撤案 太难 基本不可能","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdb611e4b3edf828daa2a","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qff3b6fe51eaa493f5139","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qdb647098150442efc4c5","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":114,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T15:12:30.476Z","text":"可以多个强制令并行，专门负责翻案的强制令；抓你能抓的小鬼的强制令；互不干扰，齐头并进！\n\n互为犄角之势，进可攻、退可守。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q50df99cd63c190997ab4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdb647098150442efc4c5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q50df99cd63c190997ab4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q6b4506484726a82dfeb7","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":115,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T15:16:04.646Z","text":"把该装的人装进去，把该捞的人捞出来","edited":false,"reply_to":"qff3b6fe51eaa493f5139","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6b4506484726a82dfeb7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qff3b6fe51eaa493f5139","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q008d4d9f41d286655246","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":116,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T15:16:25.513Z","text":"最后办成铁案，皆大欢喜","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q008d4d9f41d286655246","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q2dae075d414294c6836c","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":117,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-05-02T15:21:08.542Z","text":"只有当事人有权进行无罪上诉，程序问题得被告上诉指出，第三方不能要求无罪翻案，检方更不可能撤案","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdb611e4b3edf828daa2a","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2dae075d414294c6836c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q9168db7bc9fd7be10909","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":118,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T15:27:39.268Z","text":"在6.29之前，当务之急是把更多的证据送上南区docket，并逼迫托大人圈阅。做到这一步才能有后面的减刑等等操作","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2dae075d414294c6836c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9168db7bc9fd7be10909","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2dae075d414294c6836c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q5d4250fd496def5bd12c","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":119,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-02T15:55:20.206Z","text":"［用户 beg***］ 这个不知道真假，有可能是假的，从telegram 群里搬过来的，你在那个群里吗？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d4250fd496def5bd12c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qd505a45d44232a8f317e","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":120,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-02T15:56:40.291Z","text":"上诉还有个最大的变数，谁做辩护律师，量刑后必须14天内提起上诉，郭几乎没有时间找律师，如果还用现在的律师，那结果几乎可以预见","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2dae075d414294c6836c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd505a45d44232a8f317e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2dae075d414294c6836c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qf2de67b0726ffda30a7b","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":121,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-02T16:02:02.297Z","text":"Victor不是和nick打的火热的律师吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5d4250fd496def5bd12c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf2de67b0726ffda30a7b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d4250fd496def5bd12c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qdefd6d71cfde504eda26","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":122,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-02T16:02:36.609Z","text":"他好像是个移民律师","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdefd6d71cfde504eda26","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q0e956337d4e2d25e1dd2","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":123,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-02T16:16:34.328Z","text":"［用户 beg***］ ，我找到了一个截图","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0e956337d4e2d25e1dd2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q8682931bc147800f315e","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":124,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-02T16:17:16.873Z","text":"上面有日期","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8682931bc147800f315e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q0532e33776e5b4410422","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":125,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2026-05-02T16:26:13.707Z","text":"如果当下真的没有任何律师可信可用，\n那是否可以认为郭先生留的后手，早已经失控了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd505a45d44232a8f317e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0532e33776e5b4410422","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd505a45d44232a8f317e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qfd18fa879120a5658a76","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":126,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T16:28:01.841Z","text":"那就不要完全依赖上诉的辩护律师引用二巡材料，现在就把各种证据送上南区！","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd505a45d44232a8f317e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfd18fa879120a5658a76","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd505a45d44232a8f317e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qa18612b161b5eaab67a7","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":127,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T16:44:10.810Z","text":"对了，检方跑到Ryan的docket下面冲着4位发飙的文件中提到了事情的开端“pax的3000万”。既然检方提了，不是不也可从程序不正义角度回他：“老郭在直播中多次说过这3000万是如何做假的，是如何不让质证的” ，这一点你们检方对视频挖地三尺，为啥没发现啊？\n\n这是不是一脚把整个地基踹翻了？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa18612b161b5eaab67a7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qf1d8c71becb991f18c03","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":128,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-02T16:46:10.387Z","text":"MOS 是公司名，法人是鸟\n和解后，回款也是到MOS。\n鸟给的理由是MOS被Luc追，款项被冻结，这和虾头贪投资款的理由，是一样的。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf2de67b0726ffda30a7b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf1d8c71becb991f18c03","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf2de67b0726ffda30a7b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qbb95207e631fc4ae6e0c","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":129,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-02T16:50:55.329Z","text":"踹不到 扯到了比破产案更远的民事案 没人理","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa18612b161b5eaab67a7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbb95207e631fc4ae6e0c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa18612b161b5eaab67a7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q9152418ccfbbfb7cc824","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":130,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T16:52:01.006Z","text":"踹不到也吼一嗓子\n起码案卷里面有人说出来，托大人也看得到：根就是烂的\n这事你直接说没法说，既然检方提了那就接一句呗","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbb95207e631fc4ae6e0c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9152418ccfbbfb7cc824","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbb95207e631fc4ae6e0c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qc943d1b10b5ec527f649","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":131,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T16:56:40.511Z","text":"？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa18612b161b5eaab67a7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc943d1b10b5ec527f649","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa18612b161b5eaab67a7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q7a849b390ebf6c359da4","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":132,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T16:56:49.018Z","text":"还有这回事？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa18612b161b5eaab67a7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7a849b390ebf6c359da4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa18612b161b5eaab67a7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q0592b8ae58d3ccb97cf0","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":133,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T17:00:18.123Z","text":"有吧？莫非我眼花了😵‍💫","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7a849b390ebf6c359da4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0592b8ae58d3ccb97cf0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7a849b390ebf6c359da4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q269e2714df9ee5fb7dee","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":134,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-02T17:08:53.068Z","text":"［用户 kir***］ what do you think ?","edited":true,"reply_to":"q91d90276e79390380c98","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q269e2714df9ee5fb7dee","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q91d90276e79390380c98","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qed5a7152fe1fb601e189","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":135,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T17:09:45.556Z","text":"这些都是关键点 但都不是docket上能推出来的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q269e2714df9ee5fb7dee","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qed5a7152fe1fb601e189","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q269e2714df9ee5fb7dee","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q2dc11119e73699851c53","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":136,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T17:10:15.509Z","text":"733司法欺诈 螺丝哥被法官滥用裁量权 都是docket可以看出来的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2dc11119e73699851c53","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q3bc7dda08ac75609806d","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":137,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T17:11:23.349Z","text":"你发的这个里面有docket支持的 第一个是王的没收 范围太宽 里面有主权身份冲突没研究 第二个是luc的替代自我没证明 检方就签协议mawah就卖掉","edited":false,"reply_to":"q91d90276e79390380c98","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3bc7dda08ac75609806d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q91d90276e79390380c98","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qca842e7e8afb35f20b0a","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":138,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T17:12:30.659Z","text":"至于其他的 比如和中国政府合谋 这个要很小心","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qca842e7e8afb35f20b0a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qccd2d12e07b775d8cf02","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":139,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-02T17:12:43.240Z","text":"什么叫不是docket上能推出来的？你意思是我们没资格写这个吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qccd2d12e07b775d8cf02","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q53f93d85154e4ab3a965","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":140,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T17:13:09.976Z","text":"就是可以通过案卷的事实","edited":false,"reply_to":"qccd2d12e07b775d8cf02","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q53f93d85154e4ab3a965","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qccd2d12e07b775d8cf02","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q5da965683a81e61a71be","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":141,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-02T17:13:12.753Z","text":"现有文件支持？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5da965683a81e61a71be","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qb7384c5671a54d9dd132","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":142,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T17:13:16.541Z","text":"对","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb7384c5671a54d9dd132","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q5c014e24b0404b3e9fff","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":143,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T17:13:28.224Z","text":"刑事案有一个根基","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5c014e24b0404b3e9fff","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qb68c6a06c226945ffd36","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":144,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T17:13:30.834Z","text":"就是docket","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb68c6a06c226945ffd36","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q57be9342e47a9dfc9de4","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":145,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T17:13:58.457Z","text":"docket上有的问题 如果没人提 第三方提了 确实很炸裂","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q57be9342e47a9dfc9de4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qcb9bb8bd3916c035e28f","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":146,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T17:14:02.588Z","text":"但docket上没有的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcb9bb8bd3916c035e28f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q16f272aef625b439d1f2","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":147,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T17:14:16.508Z","text":"比如tony 你就要用非常规手段打进去","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q16f272aef625b439d1f2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q936f549db1fbd7dbc423","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":148,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T17:14:50.928Z","text":"和中国政府合作 这个 你如果要打进docket 前提是你必须有他们合作的证据 你再用强制令打进去","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q936f549db1fbd7dbc423","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q12bdb1c6c7b45b8f7a8c","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":149,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T17:15:32.739Z","text":"还有不起诉协议 如果你想打进去 你一定要抓到实证 他们犯的什么事情如何不能被不起诉协议保护","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q12bdb1c6c7b45b8f7a8c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q671af179a362ee787f7c","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":150,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-02T17:16:10.081Z","text":"就算合作，如果是合法的，也没什么","edited":false,"reply_to":"q936f549db1fbd7dbc423","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q671af179a362ee787f7c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q936f549db1fbd7dbc423","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qd506ab5d07d94598548d","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":151,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T17:16:26.398Z","text":"额…… 这是盖尔…… 不是郭律师","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0228678acf6008e3ea35","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd506ab5d07d94598548d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qb77f730145fd1f462591","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":152,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-02T17:16:35.598Z","text":"如果不合法，需要证据","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb77f730145fd1f462591","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qbd4863fb7c7b135d9701","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":153,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T17:16:46.206Z","text":"是这样的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb77f730145fd1f462591","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbd4863fb7c7b135d9701","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb77f730145fd1f462591","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qec5c6f2729d9e75a5142","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":154,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T17:16:51.672Z","text":"所以没这么简单","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qec5c6f2729d9e75a5142","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q479d17c3ac9348f679ce","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":155,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T17:17:34.522Z","text":"替代自我 ［用户 joh***］ 之前让天道观察者整理司法路径","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q479d17c3ac9348f679ce","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q3546ce5be0ba4f93d31e","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":156,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-02T17:17:52.812Z","text":"中国政府这个我知道不能随便说，需要铺垫，但如果到了最后关头了，没有其它的办法了，不妨豁出去一试","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3bc7dda08ac75609806d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3546ce5be0ba4f93d31e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3bc7dda08ac75609806d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qd21d7789b529cb4dd226","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":157,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T17:18:00.898Z","text":"这个也可以","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3546ce5be0ba4f93d31e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd21d7789b529cb4dd226","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3546ce5be0ba4f93d31e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q8ea821f4df6c3772f321","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":158,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T17:18:11.077Z","text":"作为骚扰战术 哈哈","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ea821f4df6c3772f321","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q2bf445ef7b60337166f3","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":159,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T17:18:58.448Z","text":"替代自我 一定要找到： luc和检方签协议 是否说替代自我认定之后才能卖","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2bf445ef7b60337166f3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q28780d273a72fbf58de2","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":160,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T17:19:22.257Z","text":"而替代自我 如何没有认定 找出所有docket 破产案和刑事案的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q28780d273a72fbf58de2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q07f428758b22b51b2463","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":161,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T17:19:27.551Z","text":"不是这么容易的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q07f428758b22b51b2463","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qa867f87116616035210f","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":162,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T17:19:43.637Z","text":"733把刑事案破产案docket翻了个遍 才能得出结论","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa867f87116616035210f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qe955fdb03d898600d912","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":163,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T17:20:11.440Z","text":"所有的定论都要有docket和法条支持","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe955fdb03d898600d912","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q9ab275d2eb289aaf867e","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":164,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T17:21:33.814Z","text":"现在你们可以写信给托雷斯 841文件是司法欺诈","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ab275d2eb289aaf867e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q103c710862010e034ead","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":165,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T17:21:49.905Z","text":"引用什么贾小燕的庭外声明和联盟的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q103c710862010e034ead","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q65ec00288b39cbedf82a","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":166,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T17:24:04.263Z","text":"［用户 spr***］ 可以去看一下733和733-1论证司法欺诈的文件","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q65ec00288b39cbedf82a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q7f77c464d29a60211ff3","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":167,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-02T17:24:20.777Z","text":"我认为检方根本没看过你们的东西，你看他们写的你和螺丝哥的，检方这些哈佛学霸根本没把我们这些门外汉放在眼里，写的东西都不带看的😂","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7f77c464d29a60211ff3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q64fec8b5bb5cd70f043b","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":168,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T17:25:09.689Z","text":"检方说了瑞恩指控他司法欺诈 至少看了733🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7f77c464d29a60211ff3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64fec8b5bb5cd70f043b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7f77c464d29a60211ff3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q77ee17f8f8a0bdf4625f","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":169,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-02T17:26:23.785Z","text":"这是一个刑事案，作为移民律师张勇兵和victor天天搅和。还有这个盖尔。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0228678acf6008e3ea35","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q77ee17f8f8a0bdf4625f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qb69aee750f0dcb6d9706","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":170,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-02T17:26:48.937Z","text":"检方回复司法欺诈了？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q64fec8b5bb5cd70f043b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb69aee750f0dcb6d9706","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64fec8b5bb5cd70f043b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qb5bf5f8c4309a4ff6706","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":171,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T17:27:02.464Z","text":"没有回复 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判过一次了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5e900aa1d1666b5b174b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qe3097cfd69e3446553b4","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":183,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-02T17:41:35.947Z","text":"那些给凤凰汇款但是没有委托香草山打官司的，钱现在还在sara那里","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe3097cfd69e3446553b4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q5f23b6630435d1f256ab","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":184,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-02T19:57:40.869Z","text":"在公告里","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd4f82987d62d5add8d4d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f23b6630435d1f256ab","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd4f82987d62d5add8d4d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q229e4c9e36b86ecca6fe","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":185,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T20:03:37.063Z","text":"哦哦","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5f23b6630435d1f256ab","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q229e4c9e36b86ecca6fe","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f23b6630435d1f256ab","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qdf42e6b74bcf55fd1f8a","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":186,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T20:03:50.293Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 你要不可以去记录保存一下","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdf42e6b74bcf55fd1f8a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qef6b65af8212f359e644","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":187,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T20:03:57.561Z","text":"就说这是公然欺诈法庭","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qef6b65af8212f359e644","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qf3a042cdb9fb459c90d2","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":188,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-02T20:04:10.711Z","text":"保存啥","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf3a042cdb9fb459c90d2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q4f660e70ee10b443371a","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":189,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-02T20:04:29.061Z","text":"600万这个吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f660e70ee10b443371a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qea8969aa2ae49fc815a2","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":190,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T20:04:33.306Z","text":"反对量刑在这样的record下进行","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf3a042cdb9fb459c90d2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea8969aa2ae49fc815a2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf3a042cdb9fb459c90d2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q3bb979affb0389f87a65","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":191,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T20:04:35.772Z","text":"对","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3bb979affb0389f87a65","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qdfc0b25c13091e206a5c","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":192,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T20:04:50.339Z","text":"要么是代她签字的那人欺诈法庭","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdfc0b25c13091e206a5c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q9c5b3ef59947ad483343","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":193,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T20:04:54.360Z","text":"要么她自己欺诈法庭","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9c5b3ef59947ad483343","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qca09036c7d541cd58bee","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":194,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T20:04:59.085Z","text":"总有一个是true","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qca09036c7d541cd58bee","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qfd2145aace8ae63d23af","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":195,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-02T20:05:38.418Z","text":"因为跟联盟公告矛盾？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdfc0b25c13091e206a5c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfd2145aace8ae63d23af","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdfc0b25c13091e206a5c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q88349e41a895064a073f","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":196,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T20:06:03.764Z","text":"联盟公告和她个人声明","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfd2145aace8ae63d23af","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q88349e41a895064a073f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfd2145aace8ae63d23af","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q8de963a0cbec4a1e397e","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":197,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T20:06:28.929Z","text":"如果她确实承认被骗 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干扰司法","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4122d91fc2a39e065162","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qe2626f6e28369f3825e3","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":200,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T20:07:10.233Z","text":"说是中共给她压力","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbef6e6aa887b4ee1c102","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe2626f6e28369f3825e3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbef6e6aa887b4ee1c102","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000107","next_batch_id":"batch-000109"}