{"id":"batch-000108","number":108,"revision":1,"date_start":"2026-05-02T07:09:50.845Z","date_end":"2026-05-05T15:51:55.197Z","total_messages":1000,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 108 (May 2, 2026 – May 5, 2026), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Discussions diverged over asset recovery and procedural pacing. Participants debated whether farm loan and Himalaya Exchange transfers constituted investments, deposits, or offset transactions, directly affecting recovery feasibility. Attention focused on whether Second Circuit filings could enter the Southern District docket and whether Taurus or Guo Qiang entities were alter egos. Debates also addressed forfeiture and restitution limits under Section 853 and Honeycutt, while evidentiary standards and submission deadlines faced scrutiny.","guide_en":[{"title":"Disputes over the Classification and Liability of Farm Loan and Himalaya Exchange Funds: Investment, Deposit, or Offset","description":"Participants debate the legal nature of farm loan and Himalaya Exchange transfers, disputing how fund flows determine recovery eligibility.","message_ids":["q9200cf930840a5fd4ffb","q229222d5a59f4d066755","q5fff03b17fd9657caa0a"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q9200cf930840a5fd4ffb","summary_en":"joh*** cites roy*** contending that investors who transferred funds intended for the farm loan project can claim losses and seek relief in the Southern District or the Second Circuit because the project is an involved entity whose operators remain accountable."},{"message_id":"q229222d5a59f4d066755","summary_en":"joh*** asks whether that person was also an investor in Phoenix Farm."},{"message_id":"q5fff03b17fd9657caa0a","summary_en":"ntp*** recounts merely depositing funds rather than joining A10 and asks how such funds are legally categorized."}]},{"title":"Dispute over Second Circuit and Southern District Docket Boundaries: Admitting Core Evidence and Timing of Supplemental Filings","description":"Participants debate procedural avenues for transferring Second Circuit evidence onto the Southern District docket to compel judicial review.","message_ids":["q512e37ed3ec262ce6501","q385370ab0bd289b91390","q16dd8b8c169b404108fe"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q512e37ed3ec262ce6501","summary_en":"yyy*** contends that presenting too many demands at once to the Second Circuit might prove excessively difficult."},{"message_id":"q385370ab0bd289b91390","summary_en":"yyy*** argues in favor of filing a CVRA motion to demand money directly from co-conspirators and defendants other than Guo."},{"message_id":"q16dd8b8c169b404108fe","summary_en":"yyy*** suggests citing specific filings by Ryan from the Second Circuit to place that evidence onto the Southern District docket and force the judge to review it."}]},{"title":"Disagreement over the Boundary Between Victims and Co-conspirators: Whether the Same Group Can Claim Victim Losses","description":"Participants dispute the prosecution's victim classifications and debate whether identified supporters are treated as victims.","message_ids":["qd78e817715054f778193","q77e9cf0ba5b5b6867f40","qea4cfdbe1e83cf864c7d"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qd78e817715054f778193","summary_en":"kir*** describes individuals persecuted by the CCP as a result of Guo's alleged fraud as falling under the prosecution's category of secondary victims."},{"message_id":"q77e9cf0ba5b5b6867f40","summary_en":"kir*** questions why those individuals ended up aligned with the defense."},{"message_id":"qea4cfdbe1e83cf864c7d","summary_en":"kir*** contends that the alleged supporters represented by the defense are entirely classified as victims by the prosecution."}]},{"title":"Alter Ego and the Ownership of Guo Qiang and Related Entities: Independent Legal Persons or Nominee Control","description":"Participants debate whether related corporate entities operate as independent legal persons or as alter egos under nominee control.","message_ids":["q8c27c4331ce00fef8619","qbb6810ba3b6cb7add7b1","q9074d0bade82e0fb7ea3"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q8c27c4331ce00fef8619","summary_en":"joh*** describes how bankruptcy trustee Luc and the prosecution framed involved companies as Guo's alter ego and G Enterprise to convince the jury, supported by witness testimony."},{"message_id":"qbb6810ba3b6cb7add7b1","summary_en":"joh*** contends that the legal representative of Taurus was Guo's bodyguard and had no connection to the Guo family."},{"message_id":"q9074d0bade82e0fb7ea3","summary_en":"joh*** describes Luc attempting and failing to attribute Guo Qiang's corporate assets to Guo, resulting in an order to pay Guo Qiang's attorney fees."}]},{"title":"Evidentiary Threshold for Fund Tracing: Whether Fund Arrival at Phoenix or Spice Mountain Equals Direct Deposit","description":"Participants discuss the tracing of funds between Phoenix Farm and Spice Mountain, disputing whether bank arrival constitutes verified deposit.","message_ids":["q5fd00495f4a327702b24","q0c0ce428f6ec35902a36","qef22793d50d35fa5ab38"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q5fd00495f4a327702b24","summary_en":"mil*** recounts signing an agreement transferring Phoenix funds to Spice Mountain and states the completed transfer left the money with Changdao."},{"message_id":"q0c0ce428f6ec35902a36","summary_en":"yyy*** shares a court docket record concerning Mountains of Spices LLC v. 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RICO."},{"message_id":"qc0b570a9a3b6f25c9c1c","summary_en":"reb*** argues that the prosecution engaged in circular reasoning by using alleged conspiracies to prove conspiracy and G series ownership to prove ownership."},{"message_id":"qfb8a3e2d48f779894d2a","summary_en":"hel*** argues that excessive doubts and procedural injustice in the case warrant dismissal and a retrial."}]},{"title":"Time Windows and Enforcement Focus: Submissions Before June 29, Mandamus Petitions, and Urging Deadlines","description":"Participants examine procedural filing deadlines before June 29, 2026, and discuss the impact of mandamus petitions on sentencing.","message_ids":["q26bdcc430efdb4b989bd","q7182e06946b2862224a7","q73f738092594bfbe3a48"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q26bdcc430efdb4b989bd","summary_en":"kir*** states being unsure of the document number."},{"message_id":"q7182e06946b2862224a7","summary_en":"yyy*** contends that the Second Circuit must carefully address the more than ten mandamus petitions 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arguments, which should instead be filed directly in the Southern District."}]}],"summary":"讨论围绕资产追责与程序推进形成分岐。对farm loan与喜交所款项究竟是投资、存款还是对敲，意见不一，直接影响追偿可行性。二巡与南区是否能补齐并正式写入docket、能否替代先前卷宗，成了推进节奏核心。另一主线集中在alter ego与公司财产归属：Taurus及郭强相关实体是否独立法人、是否代持控制，进而牵动受害者与共谋身份。对损失与没收框架的理解也分歧明显，涉及restitution、forfeiture、853及Honeycutt下金额边界。资金去向证据上，部分成员坚持“先有可核验链路”，反对仅凭“到账”作结。时间窗口、强制令与材料提交体现执行导向，但外部帖文与非核实线索的证据价值持续受质疑，整体呈现法庭程序与舆论叙事并行竞争。","guide":[{"title":"farm loan与喜交所款项属性归责争议：投资、存款还是对敲","message_ids":["q9200cf930840a5fd4ffb","q229222d5a59f4d066755","q5fff03b17fd9657caa0a"]},{"title":"二巡与南区docket边界争执：能否引入核心证据与补录时点","message_ids":["q512e37ed3ec262ce6501","q385370ab0bd289b91390","q16dd8b8c169b404108fe"]},{"title":"受害者与共谋角色边界分歧：是否同一人群可主张受害损失","message_ids":["qd78e817715054f778193","q77e9cf0ba5b5b6867f40","qea4cfdbe1e83cf864c7d"]},{"title":"alter 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到底哪个真的 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你抓到了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qaf5d7bd85a4a3058c706","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q648bdfc0bcabb62ea98e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaf5d7bd85a4a3058c706","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qe2a26b979ac7ccbdd4e1","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":243,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-02T21:02:12.820Z","text":"所以，客观上对案件造成了啥影响？让其他受害者困扰？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q648bdfc0bcabb62ea98e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe2a26b979ac7ccbdd4e1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q648bdfc0bcabb62ea98e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q37c7dfc9bcf5d88ffa5d","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":244,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T21:02:17.529Z","text":"各位给九指汇过钱的，大概率这钱检方根本就没有没收，还有不到2个月时间就要量刑，再不上动议到南区提供材料要求调查此事，就来不及了吧…","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe3097cfd69e3446553b4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q37c7dfc9bcf5d88ffa5d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe3097cfd69e3446553b4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q5fd00495f4a327702b24","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":245,"speaker":"mil***","date":"2026-05-02T21:09:33.405Z","text":"我们和香草山签过协议，就是凤凰的钱转到香草山，已经完成。所以这钱在长岛手里","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5fd00495f4a327702b24","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q2cc9706f18235eef8075","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":246,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-02T21:15:06.902Z","text":"分析的，长鸟当时只替香草山打官司，并不是替整个联盟打，你没有办转香草山吗，香草山承接了这个借贷才能跟SARA打呀","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd1879fc05f9d6c55aa78","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2cc9706f18235eef8075","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd1879fc05f9d6c55aa78","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qa27b546a5ad835981783","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":247,"speaker":"mil***","date":"2026-05-02T21:18:13.694Z","text":"另外Sec公平基金第三批退款大家谁有什么信息吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa27b546a5ad835981783","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q0c0ce428f6ec35902a36","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":248,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T21:33:38.982Z","text":"https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/60331837/mountains-of-spices-llc-v-lafrenz/","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5fd00495f4a327702b24","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0c0ce428f6ec35902a36","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5fd00495f4a327702b24","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q3ceb93c14b766de66539","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":249,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T21:34:06.293Z","text":"是这个案子吗？你知道第几号文件写明了钱的去处？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3ceb93c14b766de66539","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q6001619c50e7f4f92554","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":250,"speaker":"mil***","date":"2026-05-02T21:41:22.069Z","text":"这么长的内容我还不知道是怎么回事","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3ceb93c14b766de66539","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6001619c50e7f4f92554","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3ceb93c14b766de66539","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qc1fa19c820efbcf59bf8","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":251,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T21:49:23.225Z","text":"［用户 beg***］ 这个应该是香草山和九指案子的docket","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc1fa19c820efbcf59bf8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qd51ae16043f8e833ea63","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":252,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T21:49:34.447Z","text":"https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/60331837/mountains-of-spices-llc-v-lafrenz/","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd51ae16043f8e833ea63","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qb9762c239a707c651710","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":253,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-02T23:36:47.501Z","text":"如果所在农场当时拿联盟汇款账号是直接找魏丽红的，这个钱还在魏丽红那，如果你的农场是找夏其动，夏其动把魏丽红的账号给到农场，那么这个钱在夏其东那，并且通过不起诉协议的不强制上交条款，成为了夏其东所有了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2cc9706f18235eef8075","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb9762c239a707c651710","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2cc9706f18235eef8075","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qdd6c7c3080932cdb4fce","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":254,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-02T23:40:44.718Z","text":"如果夏其东对投资者说的是被luc冻结了，但实际没有冻结，那是做事诈实，不起诉协议就无效了，所谓的是替被告代持，欺诈转移，也无效。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdd6c7c3080932cdb4fce","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q6cbfe4ba0f4bf991a9cb","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":255,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-02T23:45:07.624Z","text":"实际上从那些吞了钱的灭共演员入手，这是用美国政府无法反击的方式，来呈现不是什么通过代持隐匿财产来源，而是它们自己欺诈然后栽赃给被告。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6cbfe4ba0f4bf991a9cb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q4f63afe2ac26204b91d0","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":256,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-03T00:14:10.526Z","text":"夏怎么会给魏的帐号给到农场，2人都不同农场不同公司，各管各的一摊，汇款都是找的自己农场，哪有什么联盟汇款帐号","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb9762c239a707c651710","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f63afe2ac26204b91d0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb9762c239a707c651710","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q70e4e67ddee824999b46","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":257,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-03T00:17:30.050Z","text":"如果您当时所在的农场是汇给农场然后农场再转过去，首先需要确认农场是否转到了联盟承认的实体对应的账号，魏丽红在砸郭之前，好几个农场的借贷项目汇款，就是汇到了魏丽红控制的账号，所以后来才有夏其东打官司要钱。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4f63afe2ac26204b91d0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q70e4e67ddee824999b46","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f63afe2ac26204b91d0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q2b1ef499f1f70339d388","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":258,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T00:40:37.318Z","text":"极限施压 检方会把它们卖掉的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6cbfe4ba0f4bf991a9cb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2b1ef499f1f70339d388","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6cbfe4ba0f4bf991a9cb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qa6b7192ed00996cb07e3","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":259,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-03T00:49:32.803Z","text":"这是于建民和灭共演员们的单独的共谋欺诈，hdo可能就是它们敲一下代码就有了然后转给你，钱被它们按比例给分了。真是越来越精彩。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q84b430b7081e1fc0a732","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa6b7192ed00996cb07e3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q6bb1a5bc145529b33af5","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":260,"speaker":"wen***","date":"2026-05-03T00:50:30.239Z","text":"我认为是的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa6b7192ed00996cb07e3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6bb1a5bc145529b33af5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa6b7192ed00996cb07e3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q52a61d3991a626192315","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":261,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-03T00:51:02.254Z","text":"之前只是猜测它们在这么干，今天有亲历者的验证了。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q52a61d3991a626192315","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qf78c577cf7dc09425c45","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":262,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-03T00:54:22.471Z","text":"被告点了王雪斌，但目前没有谁在咬王雪斌吞了钱，难道王雪斌是党培养的好干部？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf78c577cf7dc09425c45","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qf222a6a22b802699c408","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":263,"speaker":"wen***","date":"2026-05-03T01:06:58.554Z","text":"可能于才是真的诈验犯而不是老郭，","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf222a6a22b802699c408","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qc2cc8a3c8ca2cf81bc1d","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":264,"speaker":"wen***","date":"2026-05-03T01:08:53.658Z","text":"老郭曾说喜交所不听他的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc2cc8a3c8ca2cf81bc1d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qd5d92dfab84cbfbea78c","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":265,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-05-03T01:16:47.624Z","text":"喜币账本不知道有没有被篡改","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc2cc8a3c8ca2cf81bc1d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd5d92dfab84cbfbea78c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc2cc8a3c8ca2cf81bc1d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q90209940d411e01df1c7","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":266,"speaker":"wen***","date":"2026-05-03T01:17:20.404Z","text":"真相可能是于和联盟及农场主共谋利用老郭的灭共进行欺诈，要想办法把于拉岀到法庭，现在联盟在拼命保护于，如果于出来联盟和各农场主一个都跑不了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q90209940d411e01df1c7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q131880957e2ba1bac18d","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":267,"speaker":"wen***","date":"2026-05-03T01:18:53.717Z","text":"于后面可能是ccp","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q131880957e2ba1bac18d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qd8f214635779b96d1ea3","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":268,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-03T02:10:39.883Z","text":"不是的，夏打官司是我们把凤凰的转到了香草山，所以才800万，如果香草山的借贷也汇给了魏，肯定不止这么点钱","edited":false,"reply_to":"q70e4e67ddee824999b46","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd8f214635779b96d1ea3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q70e4e67ddee824999b46","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q9a2560f4fa92b969b4a7","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":269,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-03T02:13:19.120Z","text":"你说老朴在24年郭被抓后还给你退钱？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q84b430b7081e1fc0a732","reply_sta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法律违规：综合清单\n​A. 破产程序中的违规\n​11 U.S.C. § 704(a)(5) —— 受托人审查并反对不当索赔的义务： 因在未经验证且无人格混同裁决的情况下接受虚增索赔而违反。  \n​11 U.S.C. §§ 547/548 —— 欺诈转让追回的前提： 缺失，因为转让的财产是投资者信托财产，而非债务人财产。  \n​公司法中的人格混同标准（Bestfoods, Dole Food）： 因在裁决前为了接受索赔和扣押资产而将实体视为债务人的人格混同而违反。  \n​推定信托原则： 因将投资者信托资金视为可用于支付受托人费用的遗产资产而违反。  \n​受托人中立义务： 因主动征集有利于政府刑事叙事的索赔而违反。  \n​B. 刑事程序中的违规\n​Brady v. Maryland, 373 U.S. 83 (1963)： 政府未能披露 G 系列实体的人格混同尚未裁决——这是关乎所有权指控及合作证人证言可靠性的实质性有利证据。  \n​Giglio v. United States, 405 U.S. 150 (1972)： 政府未能披露 Li Ya 合作协议及证词中缺乏法律支持的前提。  \n​Honeycutt v. United States, 581 U.S. 443 (2017)： 被告不得因其未亲自获得的收益而被判处金钱裁决。RICO 定罪并不确立债务人亲自获得了流经 G 系列实体的所有资金。  \n​21 U.S.C. § 853(n) / 联邦刑事诉讼规则 32.2： 在最终没收之前必须裁决第三方所有权。在 § 853(n) 完成前进行带有金钱判决的量刑，会将未解决的所有权问题嵌入最终判决。  \n​第五修正案正当程序： 在没有独立司法判定财产属于被告的情况下，不得将其没收给政府。先定罪、永不判定所有权的倒置顺序违反了这一要求。  \n​对法院的欺诈： 向地区法院和审判陪审团将派生自程序无效破产程序的法律结论作为既定事实呈现，构成了对法院的欺诈。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8a299e74558edb90dcef","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q6309ffb8736f38795ee4","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":271,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-03T02:39:15.622Z","text":"它们和解的结果是，魏丽红公司的账号接受的农场借贷项目资金里，直接找魏丽红拿账号汇过去的，魏不给夏。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd8f214635779b96d1ea3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6309ffb8736f38795ee4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd8f214635779b96d1ea3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q9faf773626f93dc4a488","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":272,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-03T02:41:33.750Z","text":"所以凤凰农场本身的借贷资金，和那些直接找魏丽红拿账号汇过去的资金，到底在魏，在夏，在luc，在南区检方。需要去查清楚。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9faf773626f93dc4a488","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q2f757c0a2116df719fe2","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":273,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-03T02:44:30.593Z","text":"哦，你是通过他入金喜交所","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb4797fcb97a0deb93dfc","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2f757c0a2116df719fe2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q3f89ac38a501eea06b64","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":274,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-03T02:46:02.360Z","text":"这个结果你在哪查的？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6309ffb8736f38795ee4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3f89ac38a501eea06b64","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6309ffb8736f38795ee4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qd89ac159a6ae37c5b0bc","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":275,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-05-03T02:46:02.968Z","text":"我在2024年7月初还托人买过最后一笔喜币。当时我就开始感觉到联盟里的人的傲慢。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd89ac159a6ae37c5b0bc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q7a1eb8232d5c66d14db1","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":276,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-03T02:46:56.064Z","text":"看来，那些有组织的所谓通过对敲获得hdo操作，基本都是诈骗，敲代码给你hdo，钱被它们分了。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7a1eb8232d5c66d14db1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qef22793d50d35fa5ab38","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":277,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-03T02:48:14.195Z","text":"自己直接入金喜交易所，喜交所就赖不掉。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qef22793d50d35fa5ab38","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qb9a6a18758b57364d3e3","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":278,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-03T02:48:23.173Z","text":"我在香草山和凤凰都有汇款，香草山是夏的帐号，凤凰 是魏的，从没听说夏给魏的帐号农场成员，我香草山一直汇到借贷结束，香草山不接收了才转韩国和凤凰 的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb9a6a18758b57364d3e3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qd788d04110919bbaa975","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":279,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-03T02:48:45.619Z","text":"群里有人在这么说，我并没有确定，所以我说要去查，钱到底在哪里。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3f89ac38a501eea06b64","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd788d04110919bbaa975","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3f89ac38a501eea06b64","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qdd377780bb38008925af","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":280,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-03T02:49:47.015Z","text":"喜交所关了你们还买？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd89ac159a6ae37c5b0bc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdd377780bb38008925af","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd89ac159a6ae37c5b0bc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q7bdd4fcf7fcefb415733","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":281,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-05-03T02:50:14.316Z","text":"那个时候好像还没有关吧？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdd377780bb38008925af","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7bdd4fcf7fcefb415733","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdd377780bb38008925af","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q86b5971df0b35553103f","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":282,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-05-03T02:50:36.090Z","text":"买完后不久就关了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q86b5971df0b35553103f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q9c1e57e9991f50dc36ae","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":283,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-03T02:50:36.997Z","text":"陪审团定罪之后关的。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9c1e57e9991f50dc36ae","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q2db9af80ef18c630a470","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":284,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2026-05-03T03:06:56.743Z","text":"我记得有一段时间，还可以对敲","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7706dcf6fffa5500c179","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2db9af80ef18c630a470","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qa0e0ac9ed7b20497bc4f","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":285,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-03T03:09:17.498Z","text":"VII. 结论\n​对郭浩云的起诉建立在“双法院架构”之上，破产法院被用作制造法律结论（关于资产所有权、受害者身份和损失金额）的平台，而这些结论无法通过宪法第三条刑事审判的完整证据程序确立。这些制造出的结论随后被移入刑事程序，并作为既定事实呈报给大陪审团、地区法院和审判陪审团。根本性缺陷是唯一且普遍的：没有任何法院通过全额证据标准的对抗性程序对 G 系列实体的人格混同地位进行过裁决。每一个依赖于该地位的法律结论——包括针对债务人个人的投资者索赔的有效性、对合作证人行为的法律定性、PSR 中的损失金额以及政府的 RICO 没收理论——在法律上都是站不住脚的。§ 853(n) 附属程序是这一根本性问题获得其从未得到过的独立司法审查的首次机会。法院应确保在量刑中录入任何包含争议损失数据的金钱判决之前完成该程序，并命令进行必要的取证，以揭示本备忘录所述“双法院架构”的完整程度。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa0e0ac9ed7b20497bc4f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qf7f53c1597e847922a40","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":286,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2026-05-03T03:09:21.350Z","text":"类似你说的这种联盟或个别农场高管个人把钱黑走了的投资，在法庭看来，岂不是最后全都算在郭先生头上，而没有经过任何实质性的统计和调查！？\n这不合法理。\n而且，\n既然法庭判定了联盟是共犯嫌疑，为何一直没有对联盟采取任何调查！？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7706dcf6fffa5500c179","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf7f53c1597e847922a40","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q143ff5585db72f272b87","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":287,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T03:13:31.890Z","text":"现在破局只有一个方法 就是极限施压检方 法官 郭律师 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chu***］","edited":true,"reply_to":"qd59205caf12df7a9c67b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qccf84e8d17bef1af0d9d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd59205caf12df7a9c67b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qc97efbf92f77c6e0bd7d","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":303,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T03:31:19.364Z","text":"https://x.com/ruienxiaoge777/status/2047138290223153418?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc97efbf92f77c6e0bd7d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q58d1b2aa2ae7c0629392","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":304,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-05-03T03:52:41.795Z","text":"既是又不是的法律身份认定严重损害法律程序了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qccf84e8d17bef1af0d9d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q58d1b2aa2ae7c0629392","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qccf84e8d17bef1af0d9d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q116713c493979d6b2fa1","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":305,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-05-03T04:01:51.663Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息]","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q116713c493979d6b2fa1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q95283b2bc41bc5f58cfb","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":306,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-05-03T04:02:04.375Z","text":"你要的截图","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q95283b2bc41bc5f58cfb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qabb802128bd2dc88e05d","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":307,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-03T04:04:39.273Z","text":"但是确实拿到hdo了啊，这也能证明在喜交所有资产","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7a1eb8232d5c66d14db1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qabb802128bd2dc88e05d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7a1eb8232d5c66d14db1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qf85e4f71d70256a792de","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":308,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-05-03T04:08:06.442Z","text":"如果我有喜交所账户HDO和HCN资产截图，还有G卡汇款和农场确认收到我汇款的截图，而且我不认为我是受害者，现在是因为七哥案件，我的资产被冻结，我该该用什么方式介入？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf85e4f71d70256a792de","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q56a1b746b187d6e5305a","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":309,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-05-03T04:10:00.973Z","text":"你填过表授权盖儿代理你作为受害者没","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q56a1b746b187d6e5305a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q3c6940b0be128bad2a44","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":310,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-05-03T04:10:18.978Z","text":"这样总是量刑延期，想把七哥耗在MDC，太狠毒了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3c6940b0be128bad2a44","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q9e358082339f440caacf","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":311,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-05-03T04:10:34.081Z","text":"没有，我一点也不相信他们","edited":false,"reply_to":"q56a1b746b187d6e5305a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e358082339f440caacf","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q56a1b746b187d6e5305a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qcb784e7f0b555c678fa7","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":312,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-03T04:11:25.000Z","text":"拿到hdo，并不表明它们把钱汇给了喜交所。就是和其伙来，敲几行代码，账户上就有hdo，然后钱被农场，联盟，喜交易所相关人员瓜分。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qabb802128bd2dc88e05d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcb784e7f0b555c678fa7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qabb802128bd2dc88e05d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q75948bc6a7ef265456c5","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":313,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-05-03T04:12:21.864Z","text":"量刑多次是老郭申请的，只有这次是二巡自诉施压的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3c6940b0be128bad2a44","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q75948bc6a7ef265456c5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3c6940b0be128bad2a44","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q1f64e1852365f70d4f15","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":314,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-05-03T04:14:47.590Z","text":"这算不算TDCCP内幕交易","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1f64e1852365f70d4f15","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qfc82ace7def0449e2983","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":315,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T04:23:46.508Z","text":"诈骗币本身 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川普币也一个鸟样","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbfe936a96ffce948cca6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q02778bda09e623a89615","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":318,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T04:24:51.504Z","text":"但你是以造假联邦监狱信息 干扰刑事案来诈骗 这是刑事罪","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q02778bda09e623a89615","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qf74c4f11528de77557bb","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":319,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-03T04:25:19.206Z","text":"买诈骗币的咋没人上动议呢","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf74c4f11528de77557bb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qe5ad58e2b278d3290cb4","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":320,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T04:25:35.264Z","text":"现在还买的都是[屏蔽词] 指望他们呢","edited":true,"reply_to":"qf74c4f11528de77557bb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe5ad58e2b278d3290cb4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf74c4f11528de77557bb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q358667f397d9f10c342b","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":321,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-03T04:26:16.436Z","text":"这个确实，那对敲的钱只能找农场要？早找不到人了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcb784e7f0b555c678fa7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q358667f397d9f10c342b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcb784e7f0b555c678fa7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q86ab7abde69559c4a59d","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":322,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-03T04:26:36.281Z","text":"已经知道被骗的也没人动啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe5ad58e2b278d3290cb4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q86ab7abde69559c4a59d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe5ad58e2b278d3290cb4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q037adc1f6d3fbca6a627","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":323,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-03T04:27:10.845Z","text":"这个绝对可以搞个专题报告","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q037adc1f6d3fbca6a627","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q9e4f11c98ecf9d2d15c4","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":324,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T04:29:04.887Z","text":"瑞恩已经说了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e4f11c98ecf9d2d15c4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q27d8e409f2056b05db11","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":325,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-03T04:30:45.573Z","text":"可以把这个写到案件里，问农场主是否跟美国政府签了不起诉协议不被强制上交。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q358667f397d9f10c342b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q27d8e409f2056b05db11","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q358667f397d9f10c342b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qe046c9b0b24f09963325","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":326,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-03T04:32:11.941Z","text":"强制上交什么，","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe046c9b0b24f09963325","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qc9303e19aae2908ccece","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":327,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-03T04:35:06.403Z","text":"款项。如果有不起诉协议且不强制上交，可以向法院申请让政府追缴。如果根本没有不起诉协议，就请求法院让政府调查，是被告利用农场主诈骗还是农场主用被告诈骗。但需要先证明，它们没有把钱转到你让它们转的地方。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe046c9b0b24f09963325","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc9303e19aae2908ccece","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe046c9b0b24f09963325","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q2a72a6a1ea25d49243b9","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":328,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-03T04:37:00.190Z","text":"没有喜交所配合，没法证明钱到没到该去的地方","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc9303e19aae2908ccece","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2a72a6a1ea25d49243b9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc9303e19aae2908ccece","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q79cc6ad9684a6dc054d5","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":329,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-03T04:38:35.236Z","text":"像螺丝哥那种，对方宁愿退钱，也不拿出转账的证明，把这个过程捋出来，就是证明。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2a72a6a1ea25d49243b9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q79cc6ad9684a6dc054d5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2a72a6a1ea25d49243b9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qfc97e90f5233fc82380d","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":330,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-03T04:39:22.812Z","text":"他那会还能找到人，我这个人都没了，被农场踢了，销号了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q79cc6ad9684a6dc054d5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfc97e90f5233fc82380d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q79cc6a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"batch-000108","seq":341,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T06:33:49.051Z","text":"https://x.com/ruienxiaoge777/status/2050826105549123710?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q08f6d45fb283e79292f9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q8c27c4331ce00fef8619","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":342,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-03T07:32:35.206Z","text":"alter ego从破产案开始，luc根据调查，认为涉案的公司，都属于郭的alter ego\n刑事案第三版直接把涉及洗钱的公司，都称为 G enterprise，也称 郭集团，没有直接提alter ego，但给陪审团呈现的，就是这个印象\n再加上木兰 凯琳的证词，比如 boss什么的，郭就是集团老大","edited":false,"reply_to":"q479d17c3ac9348f679ce","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8c27c4331ce00fef8619","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q479d17c3ac9348f679ce","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qb0a4a771c1d54f400882","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":343,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T07:33:29.456Z","text":"所以最多是个印象 对吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8c27c4331ce00fef8619","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb0a4a771c1d54f400882","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8c27c4331ce00fef8619","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q75ac8f671117655fcfa1","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":344,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T07:33:58.552Z","text":"我觉得 alter ego的用法  可能在卖mawah更有用","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q75ac8f671117655fcfa1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qef8df10f9c32662f0b31","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":345,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T07:34:02.685Z","text":"你觉得呢 ［用户 joh***］","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qef8df10f9c32662f0b31","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qd66eee78d898d689e40a","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":346,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-03T07:34:19.136Z","text":"是的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd66eee78d898d689e40a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q030303036c2b680d5969","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":347,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-03T07:36:07.520Z","text":"卖Mahwah需要两次alter ego\n第一，没收的G集团财产，是郭的alter ego\n第二，Taurus公司也属于郭的alter ego壳公司（类似郭美郭强的公司）","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q030303036c2b680d5969","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q0972b0231aeb264ea36d","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":348,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T07:37:07.936Z","text":"我记得gclub 买的mawah 而这个taurus 是gclub？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q030303036c2b680d5969","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0972b0231aeb264ea36d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q030303036c2b680d5969","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qae4fcbd545317b622495","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":349,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T07:37:34.853Z","text":"明白了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qae4fcbd545317b622495","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q459faa67bc8800697052","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":350,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-03T07:37:37.646Z","text":"不是，他是独立公司，有独立法人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q459faa67bc8800697052","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q8acd94837cc36e440550","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":351,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T07:37:42.119Z","text":"现在是taurus","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8acd94837cc36e440550","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q21d1874a326001639ba6","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":352,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T07:37:47.027Z","text":"在biv胜诉？是","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q21d1874a326001639ba6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qfd31e8ee69859cf4f12e","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":353,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-03T07:38:08.549Z","text":"胜诉是郭强的公司","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfd31e8ee69859cf4f12e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qf5c2a413a1dbcddb4c49","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":354,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-03T07:38:33.815Z","text":"alter ego在这里，就垮了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf5c2a413a1dbcddb4c49","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q53a536a8d2339dedd828","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":355,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T07:38:55.223Z","text":"郭强公司的胜诉和taurus怎么扯上关系的呢","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfd31e8ee69859cf4f12e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q53a536a8d2339dedd828","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfd31e8ee69859cf4f12e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q78c6799679c2ee404e54","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":356,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-03T07:39:36.562Z","text":"luc诉的理由，都说公司是郭的alter ego\n郭儿子赢了，这个不成立","edited":false,"reply_to":"q53a536a8d2339dedd828","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q78c6799679c2ee404e54","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q53a536a8d2339dedd828","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q777ec586a62ae86043e0","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":357,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T07:40:24.194Z","text":"bvi 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\n和郭家族没有半点关系","edited":false,"reply_to":"q777ec586a62ae86043e0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbb6810ba3b6cb7add7b1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q777ec586a62ae86043e0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q89c65bc9444bb033a157","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":360,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T07:41:29.973Z","text":"哦哦","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q89c65bc9444bb033a157","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q397f1457821f1f8c250b","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":361,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T07:41:45.499Z","text":"所以bvi 就是luc 想把taurus 扯给郭强？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q397f1457821f1f8c250b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q9ad7a200d94478086500","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":362,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-03T07:42:43.443Z","text":"两码事","edited":false,"reply_to":"q397f1457821f1f8c250b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ad7a200d94478086500","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q397f1457821f1f8c250b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q4a134b4dfa43c35814a7","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":363,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-03T07:43:25.650Z","text":"luc 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\nluc想把郭强的公司资产，算到郭头上，然后失败了。要赔郭强律师费。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9074d0bade82e0fb7ea3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qb2ac6a2f688e5ddc48f3","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":369,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-03T07:48:11.501Z","text":"有这个判例，luc诉Taurus的案子，他也会输\n把Taurus看成卖车的公司就行了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb2ac6a2f688e5ddc48f3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q8412b799b43672d9d32a","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":370,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T07:48:34.500Z","text":"哦 明白了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb2ac6a2f688e5ddc48f3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8412b799b43672d9d32a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb2ac6a2f688e5ddc48f3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qebc4ebc16e853755a365","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":371,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T07:48:41.841Z","text":"luc 诉taurus 在美国","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qebc4ebc16e853755a365","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q9bd3fd2eb0ca634155de","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":372,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T07:48:50.652Z","text":"bvi是其他东西 是吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9bd3fd2eb0ca634155de","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qbf4048d429d09a34bed8","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":373,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T07:49:02.502Z","text":"英美法系算是近亲","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbf4048d429d09a34bed8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q50975aa90403b0c16bf7","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":374,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T07:49:05.979Z","text":"不像tony","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q50975aa90403b0c16bf7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q2763c9f744dd957afd9c","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":375,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T07:49:07.559Z","text":"哈哈","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2763c9f744dd957afd9c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qdc26a03486f454209907","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":376,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-03T07:49:33.784Z","text":"对 BVI 英属维京群岛\n注册地在BVI的郭强公司","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9bd3fd2eb0ca634155de","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdc26a03486f454209907","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9bd3fd2eb0ca634155de","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q1aaca8383c3ba7270617","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":377,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-03T07:49:47.301Z","text":"Taurus是在哪里审？也是在BVI?","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb2ac6a2f688e5ddc48f3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1aaca8383c3ba7270617","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb2ac6a2f688e5ddc48f3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q48a5ecdb1b7647008bea","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":378,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T07:49:57.214Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息]  检方和luc的协议是几号文件","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q48a5ecdb1b7647008bea","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q1db617f9194a5ee2aaf3","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":379,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T07:50:04.368Z","text":"美国","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1aaca8383c3ba7270617","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1db617f9194a5ee2aaf3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1aaca8383c3ba7270617","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qec102cd6a673c0eddb27","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":380,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-03T07:50:42.299Z","text":"那赢的难度，跟本案853n赢的难度一样。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1db617f9194a5ee2aaf3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qec102cd6a673c0eddb27","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1db617f9194a5ee2aaf3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q00a43a557ce1487910f1","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":381,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-03T07:50:48.588Z","text":"之前发过，我找找","edited":false,"reply_to":"q48a5ecdb1b7647008bea","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q00a43a557ce1487910f1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q48a5ecdb1b7647008bea","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q64bc416547c9f46ed0f3","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":382,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-03T07:51:33.218Z","text":"目前暂停，说是等郭量刑\n这又是luc玩儿的 先有鸡再有蛋的游戏","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1aaca8383c3ba7270617","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64bc416547c9f46ed0f3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1aaca8383c3ba7270617","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q92060c39613f166a38b8","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":383,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-03T07:53:11.261Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息]  这个 131","edited":true,"reply_to":"q255f46c88a4ed3074d84","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q92060c39613f166a38b8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q255f46c88a4ed3074d84","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qc33d1c5794d78559b2ab","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":384,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-03T07:53:42.442Z","text":"只要g系列里的钱全部作为对被告的金钱判决量刑，那边曼宁马上跟着认定替代自我成立。它们就是用这种循环论证的方式把生米做成熟饭。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q64bc416547c9f46ed0f3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc33d1c5794d78559b2ab","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64bc416547c9f46ed0f3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q619ec042be2f37c3ad2e","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":385,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-03T07:54:08.860Z","text":"不管对不对，先起诉了，公司都是郭的alter ego\n这样游艇，别墅，都可以拿去宣传\n陪审团看到的，就是这样","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc33d1c5794d78559b2ab","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q619ec042be2f37c3ad2e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc33d1c5794d78559b2ab","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q6676d6b83d277928ec9d","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":386,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-03T07:56:01.132Z","text":"郭美和luc死磕，也是必须这样，不然会被他玩儿死","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6676d6b83d277928ec9d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q31584bb1cf8811761067","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":387,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-03T07:56:30.551Z","text":"虚假债权就被它们做成真实债权，然后整个美国司法都要维持这个既成事实，它们可能真的认为美国活不过来了。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q31584bb1cf8811761067","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q07526db84864fed0c3a0","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":388,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T07:57:36.345Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息]  我记得不是131","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q07526db84864fed0c3a0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q2f00751598606799ad5d","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":389,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T07:57:49.529Z","text":"有一个检方和luc签的协议","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2f00751598606799ad5d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qe0debcc2a24eecc1801c","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":390,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T07:57:55.514Z","text":"没收资产可以给luc","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe0debcc2a24eecc1801c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qc32a55602472fc1f2eaa","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":391,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-03T07:58:37.072Z","text":"那得找找，也可能在破产案file","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2f00751598606799ad5d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc32a55602472fc1f2eaa","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2f00751598606799ad5d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q80ad6016e41b5db2c25f","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":392,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T07:58:49.475Z","text":"不 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24年8月份以前的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q26bdcc430efdb4b989bd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3905688d8ccf55119953","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q26bdcc430efdb4b989bd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q30ea9dce643c9c5a0488","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":399,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T08:02:27.219Z","text":"这个可以是一种","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc96a2f55fbe54024ea44","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q30ea9dce643c9c5a0488","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc96a2f55fbe54024ea44","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q9ffee3b6c5436a99e6a5","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":400,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T08:02:39.740Z","text":"但真正的极限施压一定是他们绕不过去的东西","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ffee3b6c5436a99e6a5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000107","next_batch_id":"batch-000109"}