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是别人未经同意提交的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q162d31a27673f806acaa","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q27c19a2ccdfaadb4b22a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q162d31a27673f806acaa","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qd5e8a73dd13c81624b80","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":214,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T20:21:41.998Z","text":"但法庭不知道啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd5e8a73dd13c81624b80","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q0c2ffe457eafedef81e7","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":215,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-02T20:28:02.788Z","text":"动议是要钱同时承认被告诈骗，她说动议不是她提交的，这俩有一个在撒谎。这对量刑有啥影响呢？证据不实？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0c2ffe457eafedef81e7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qe8f882d4491cae7b02f1","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":216,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T20:32:17.903Z","text":"量刑record污染","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0c2ffe457eafedef81e7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe8f882d4491cae7b02f1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0c2ffe457eafedef81e7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q5c2263b46c6f444bc1fd","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":217,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T20:32:25.155Z","text":"记录不可信","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5c2263b46c6f444bc1fd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q280b03aa8a84e360dfe5","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":218,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-05-02T20:32:53.145Z","text":"这就象某人给瑞恩发了一大堆求爱信，结果说不是她自己说的，是她的闺蜜在玩闹剧。😛","edited":false,"reply_to":"q27c19a2ccdfaadb4b22a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q280b03aa8a84e360dfe5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q27c19a2ccdfaadb4b22a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q1c48b69b50fa80e2b595","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":219,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T20:33:07.441Z","text":"这个比喻好","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1c48b69b50fa80e2b595","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qf37ac8508b91f611929e","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":220,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T20:33:28.712Z","text":"不是 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{"id":"q94083f2ed906c6381972","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":232,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T20:39:32.205Z","text":"把这个去法庭上捅上去","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q94083f2ed906c6381972","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q0a7d19c4c513edf1a268","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":233,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T20:39:39.205Z","text":"她这个就是干扰司法","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0a7d19c4c513edf1a268","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qe3695b047d0b330f3251","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":234,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-02T20:39:44.640Z","text":"动议要钱，声明骗韭菜","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe3695b047d0b330f3251","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qe288eea8cf05fd59dd83","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":235,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T20:39:45.118Z","text":"还涉嫌欺诈法庭","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe288eea8cf05fd59dd83","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q117ab30573fb606a4947","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":236,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T20:39:49.114Z","text":"对","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe3695b047d0b330f3251","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q117ab30573fb606a4947","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe3695b047d0b330f3251","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qe137b483c54de994d02a","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":237,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T20:40:08.467Z","text":"但是司法上 到底哪个真的 不知道","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe137b483c54de994d02a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q25c8e2dfa100144dc7ec","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":238,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-02T20:40:45.598Z","text":"声明没有上法庭，能算污染吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe137b483c54de994d02a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q25c8e2dfa100144dc7ec","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe137b483c54de994d02a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qa8f9dd76c0ae4d22dab7","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":239,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T20:56:26.106Z","text":"污染了下面的其他受害者","edited":false,"reply_to":"q25c8e2dfa100144dc7ec","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa8f9dd76c0ae4d22dab7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q25c8e2dfa100144dc7ec","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q9d7c4a2afcbdac7d4193","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":240,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T20:56:38.449Z","text":"其他受害者也这样操作呢？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9d7c4a2afcbdac7d4193","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qaf5d7bd85a4a3058c706","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":241,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-02T21:00:01.516Z","text":"如果没有声明，动议就是个普通的要钱的动议。有了声明，这个动议就可能是造假。但是并没有向法庭证明","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaf5d7bd85a4a3058c706","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q648bdfc0bcabb62ea98e","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":242,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-02T21:00:17.901Z","text":"对的 你抓到了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qaf5d7bd85a4a3058c706","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q648bdfc0bcabb62ea98e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaf5d7bd85a4a3058c706","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qe2a26b979ac7ccbdd4e1","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":243,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-02T21:02:12.820Z","text":"所以，客观上对案件造成了啥影响？让其他受害者困扰？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q648bdfc0bcabb62ea98e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe2a26b979ac7ccbdd4e1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q648bdfc0bcabb62ea98e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q37c7dfc9bcf5d88ffa5d","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":244,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T21:02:17.529Z","text":"各位给九指汇过钱的，大概率这钱检方根本就没有没收，还有不到2个月时间就要量刑，再不上动议到南区提供材料要求调查此事，就来不及了吧…","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe3097cfd69e3446553b4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q37c7dfc9bcf5d88ffa5d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe3097cfd69e3446553b4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q5fd00495f4a327702b24","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":245,"speaker":"mil***","date":"2026-05-02T21:09:33.405Z","text":"我们和香草山签过协议，就是凤凰的钱转到香草山，已经完成。所以这钱在长岛手里","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5fd00495f4a327702b24","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q2cc9706f18235eef8075","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":246,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-02T21:15:06.902Z","text":"分析的，长鸟当时只替香草山打官司，并不是替整个联盟打，你没有办转香草山吗，香草山承接了这个借贷才能跟SARA打呀","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd1879fc05f9d6c55aa78","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2cc9706f18235eef8075","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd1879fc05f9d6c55aa78","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qa27b546a5ad835981783","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":247,"speaker":"mil***","date":"2026-05-02T21:18:13.694Z","text":"另外Sec公平基金第三批退款大家谁有什么信息吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa27b546a5ad835981783","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q0c0ce428f6ec35902a36","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":248,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T21:33:38.982Z","text":"https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/60331837/mountains-of-spices-llc-v-lafrenz/","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5fd00495f4a327702b24","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0c0ce428f6ec35902a36","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5fd00495f4a327702b24","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q3ceb93c14b766de66539","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":249,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T21:34:06.293Z","text":"是这个案子吗？你知道第几号文件写明了钱的去处？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3ceb93c14b766de66539","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q6001619c50e7f4f92554","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":250,"speaker":"mil***","date":"2026-05-02T21:41:22.069Z","text":"这么长的内容我还不知道是怎么回事","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3ceb93c14b766de66539","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6001619c50e7f4f92554","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3ceb93c14b766de66539","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qc1fa19c820efbcf59bf8","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":251,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T21:49:23.225Z","text":"［用户 beg***］ 这个应该是香草山和九指案子的docket","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc1fa19c820efbcf59bf8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qd51ae16043f8e833ea63","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":252,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-02T21:49:34.447Z","text":"https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/60331837/mountains-of-spices-llc-v-lafrenz/","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd51ae16043f8e833ea63","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qb9762c239a707c651710","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":253,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-02T23:36:47.501Z","text":"如果所在农场当时拿联盟汇款账号是直接找魏丽红的，这个钱还在魏丽红那，如果你的农场是找夏其动，夏其动把魏丽红的账号给到农场，那么这个钱在夏其东那，并且通过不起诉协议的不强制上交条款，成为了夏其东所有了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2cc9706f18235eef8075","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb9762c239a707c651710","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2cc9706f18235eef8075","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qdd6c7c3080932cdb4fce","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":254,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-02T23:40:44.718Z","text":"如果夏其东对投资者说的是被luc冻结了，但实际没有冻结，那是做事诈实，不起诉协议就无效了，所谓的是替被告代持，欺诈转移，也无效。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdd6c7c3080932cdb4fce","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q6cbfe4ba0f4bf991a9cb","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":255,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-02T23:45:07.624Z","text":"实际上从那些吞了钱的灭共演员入手，这是用美国政府无法反击的方式，来呈现不是什么通过代持隐匿财产来源，而是它们自己欺诈然后栽赃给被告。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6cbfe4ba0f4bf991a9cb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q4f63afe2ac26204b91d0","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":256,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-03T00:14:10.526Z","text":"夏怎么会给魏的帐号给到农场，2人都不同农场不同公司，各管各的一摊，汇款都是找的自己农场，哪有什么联盟汇款帐号","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb9762c239a707c651710","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f63afe2ac26204b91d0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb9762c239a707c651710","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q70e4e67ddee824999b46","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":257,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-03T00:17:30.050Z","text":"如果您当时所在的农场是汇给农场然后农场再转过去，首先需要确认农场是否转到了联盟承认的实体对应的账号，魏丽红在砸郭之前，好几个农场的借贷项目汇款，就是汇到了魏丽红控制的账号，所以后来才有夏其东打官司要钱。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4f63afe2ac26204b91d0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q70e4e67ddee824999b46","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f63afe2ac26204b91d0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q2b1ef499f1f70339d388","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":258,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T00:40:37.318Z","text":"极限施压 检方会把它们卖掉的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6cbfe4ba0f4bf991a9cb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2b1ef499f1f70339d388","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6cbfe4ba0f4bf991a9cb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qa6b7192ed00996cb07e3","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":259,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-03T00:49:32.803Z","text":"这是于建民和灭共演员们的单独的共谋欺诈，hdo可能就是它们敲一下代码就有了然后转给你，钱被它们按比例给分了。真是越来越精彩。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q84b430b7081e1fc0a732","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa6b7192ed00996cb07e3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q6bb1a5bc145529b33af5","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":260,"speaker":"wen***","date":"2026-05-03T00:50:30.239Z","text":"我认为是的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa6b7192ed00996cb07e3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6bb1a5bc145529b33af5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa6b7192ed00996cb07e3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q52a61d3991a626192315","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":261,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-03T00:51:02.254Z","text":"之前只是猜测它们在这么干，今天有亲历者的验证了。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q52a61d3991a626192315","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qf78c577cf7dc09425c45","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":262,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-03T00:54:22.471Z","text":"被告点了王雪斌，但目前没有谁在咬王雪斌吞了钱，难道王雪斌是党培养的好干部？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf78c577cf7dc09425c45","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qf222a6a22b802699c408","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":263,"speaker":"wen***","date":"2026-05-03T01:06:58.554Z","text":"可能于才是真的诈验犯而不是老郭，","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf222a6a22b802699c408","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qc2cc8a3c8ca2cf81bc1d","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":264,"speaker":"wen***","date":"2026-05-03T01:08:53.658Z","text":"老郭曾说喜交所不听他的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc2cc8a3c8ca2cf81bc1d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qd5d92dfab84cbfbea78c","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":265,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-05-03T01:16:47.624Z","text":"喜币账本不知道有没有被篡改","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc2cc8a3c8ca2cf81bc1d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd5d92dfab84cbfbea78c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc2cc8a3c8ca2cf81bc1d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q90209940d411e01df1c7","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":266,"speaker":"wen***","date":"2026-05-03T01:17:20.404Z","text":"真相可能是于和联盟及农场主共谋利用老郭的灭共进行欺诈，要想办法把于拉岀到法庭，现在联盟在拼命保护于，如果于出来联盟和各农场主一个都跑不了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q90209940d411e01df1c7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q131880957e2ba1bac18d","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":267,"speaker":"wen***","date":"2026-05-03T01:18:53.717Z","text":"于后面可能是ccp","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q131880957e2ba1bac18d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qd8f214635779b96d1ea3","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":268,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-03T02:10:39.883Z","text":"不是的，夏打官司是我们把凤凰的转到了香草山，所以才800万，如果香草山的借贷也汇给了魏，肯定不止这么点钱","edited":false,"reply_to":"q70e4e67ddee824999b46","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd8f214635779b96d1ea3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q70e4e67ddee824999b46","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q9a2560f4fa92b969b4a7","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":269,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-03T02:13:19.120Z","text":"你说老朴在24年郭被抓后还给你退钱？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q84b430b7081e1fc0a732","reply_sta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法律违规：综合清单\n​A. 破产程序中的违规\n​11 U.S.C. § 704(a)(5) —— 受托人审查并反对不当索赔的义务： 因在未经验证且无人格混同裁决的情况下接受虚增索赔而违反。  \n​11 U.S.C. §§ 547/548 —— 欺诈转让追回的前提： 缺失，因为转让的财产是投资者信托财产，而非债务人财产。  \n​公司法中的人格混同标准（Bestfoods, Dole Food）： 因在裁决前为了接受索赔和扣押资产而将实体视为债务人的人格混同而违反。  \n​推定信托原则： 因将投资者信托资金视为可用于支付受托人费用的遗产资产而违反。  \n​受托人中立义务： 因主动征集有利于政府刑事叙事的索赔而违反。  \n​B. 刑事程序中的违规\n​Brady v. Maryland, 373 U.S. 83 (1963)： 政府未能披露 G 系列实体的人格混同尚未裁决——这是关乎所有权指控及合作证人证言可靠性的实质性有利证据。  \n​Giglio v. United States, 405 U.S. 150 (1972)： 政府未能披露 Li Ya 合作协议及证词中缺乏法律支持的前提。  \n​Honeycutt v. United States, 581 U.S. 443 (2017)： 被告不得因其未亲自获得的收益而被判处金钱裁决。RICO 定罪并不确立债务人亲自获得了流经 G 系列实体的所有资金。  \n​21 U.S.C. § 853(n) / 联邦刑事诉讼规则 32.2： 在最终没收之前必须裁决第三方所有权。在 § 853(n) 完成前进行带有金钱判决的量刑，会将未解决的所有权问题嵌入最终判决。  \n​第五修正案正当程序： 在没有独立司法判定财产属于被告的情况下，不得将其没收给政府。先定罪、永不判定所有权的倒置顺序违反了这一要求。  \n​对法院的欺诈： 向地区法院和审判陪审团将派生自程序无效破产程序的法律结论作为既定事实呈现，构成了对法院的欺诈。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8a299e74558edb90dcef","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q6309ffb8736f38795ee4","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":271,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-03T02:39:15.622Z","text":"它们和解的结果是，魏丽红公司的账号接受的农场借贷项目资金里，直接找魏丽红拿账号汇过去的，魏不给夏。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd8f214635779b96d1ea3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6309ffb8736f38795ee4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd8f214635779b96d1ea3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q9faf773626f93dc4a488","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":272,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-03T02:41:33.750Z","text":"所以凤凰农场本身的借贷资金，和那些直接找魏丽红拿账号汇过去的资金，到底在魏，在夏，在luc，在南区检方。需要去查清楚。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9faf773626f93dc4a488","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q2f757c0a2116df719fe2","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":273,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-03T02:44:30.593Z","text":"哦，你是通过他入金喜交所","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb4797fcb97a0deb93dfc","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2f757c0a2116df719fe2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q3f89ac38a501eea06b64","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":274,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-03T02:46:02.360Z","text":"这个结果你在哪查的？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6309ffb8736f38795ee4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3f89ac38a501eea06b64","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6309ffb8736f38795ee4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qd89ac159a6ae37c5b0bc","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":275,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-05-03T02:46:02.968Z","text":"我在2024年7月初还托人买过最后一笔喜币。当时我就开始感觉到联盟里的人的傲慢。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd89ac159a6ae37c5b0bc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q7a1eb8232d5c66d14db1","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":276,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-03T02:46:56.064Z","text":"看来，那些有组织的所谓通过对敲获得hdo操作，基本都是诈骗，敲代码给你hdo，钱被它们分了。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7a1eb8232d5c66d14db1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qef22793d50d35fa5ab38","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":277,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-03T02:48:14.195Z","text":"自己直接入金喜交易所，喜交所就赖不掉。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qef22793d50d35fa5ab38","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qb9a6a18758b57364d3e3","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":278,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-03T02:48:23.173Z","text":"我在香草山和凤凰都有汇款，香草山是夏的帐号，凤凰 是魏的，从没听说夏给魏的帐号农场成员，我香草山一直汇到借贷结束，香草山不接收了才转韩国和凤凰 的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb9a6a18758b57364d3e3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qd788d04110919bbaa975","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":279,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-03T02:48:45.619Z","text":"群里有人在这么说，我并没有确定，所以我说要去查，钱到底在哪里。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3f89ac38a501eea06b64","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd788d04110919bbaa975","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3f89ac38a501eea06b64","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qdd377780bb38008925af","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":280,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-03T02:49:47.015Z","text":"喜交所关了你们还买？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd89ac159a6ae37c5b0bc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdd377780bb38008925af","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd89ac159a6ae37c5b0bc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q7bdd4fcf7fcefb415733","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":281,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-05-03T02:50:14.316Z","text":"那个时候好像还没有关吧？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdd377780bb38008925af","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7bdd4fcf7fcefb415733","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdd377780bb38008925af","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q86b5971df0b35553103f","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":282,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-05-03T02:50:36.090Z","text":"买完后不久就关了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q86b5971df0b35553103f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q9c1e57e9991f50dc36ae","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":283,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-03T02:50:36.997Z","text":"陪审团定罪之后关的。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9c1e57e9991f50dc36ae","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q2db9af80ef18c630a470","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":284,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2026-05-03T03:06:56.743Z","text":"我记得有一段时间，还可以对敲","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7706dcf6fffa5500c179","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2db9af80ef18c630a470","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qa0e0ac9ed7b20497bc4f","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":285,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-03T03:09:17.498Z","text":"VII. 结论\n​对郭浩云的起诉建立在“双法院架构”之上，破产法院被用作制造法律结论（关于资产所有权、受害者身份和损失金额）的平台，而这些结论无法通过宪法第三条刑事审判的完整证据程序确立。这些制造出的结论随后被移入刑事程序，并作为既定事实呈报给大陪审团、地区法院和审判陪审团。根本性缺陷是唯一且普遍的：没有任何法院通过全额证据标准的对抗性程序对 G 系列实体的人格混同地位进行过裁决。每一个依赖于该地位的法律结论——包括针对债务人个人的投资者索赔的有效性、对合作证人行为的法律定性、PSR 中的损失金额以及政府的 RICO 没收理论——在法律上都是站不住脚的。§ 853(n) 附属程序是这一根本性问题获得其从未得到过的独立司法审查的首次机会。法院应确保在量刑中录入任何包含争议损失数据的金钱判决之前完成该程序，并命令进行必要的取证，以揭示本备忘录所述“双法院架构”的完整程度。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa0e0ac9ed7b20497bc4f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qf7f53c1597e847922a40","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":286,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2026-05-03T03:09:21.350Z","text":"类似你说的这种联盟或个别农场高管个人把钱黑走了的投资，在法庭看来，岂不是最后全都算在郭先生头上，而没有经过任何实质性的统计和调查！？\n这不合法理。\n而且，\n既然法庭判定了联盟是共犯嫌疑，为何一直没有对联盟采取任何调查！？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7706dcf6fffa5500c179","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf7f53c1597e847922a40","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q143ff5585db72f272b87","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":287,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T03:13:31.890Z","text":"现在破局只有一个方法 就是极限施压检方 法官 郭律师 让他们自己想办法","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf7f53c1597e847922a40","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q143ff5585db72f272b87","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf7f53c1597e847922a40","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q9a40c335f450fcbce41f","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":288,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2026-05-03T03:13:46.796Z","text":"https://x.com/i/status/2050212589515202858","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9a40c335f450fcbce41f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q6e01414da648ef01db4d","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":289,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2026-05-03T03:14:43.262Z","text":"螺丝哥目前情况如何，\n安全一点了吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7706dcf6fffa5500c179","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6e01414da648ef01db4d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q6d8021e426b38711f000","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":290,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2026-05-03T03:15:44.979Z","text":"6月29之前，应该还有更好的消息炸出来。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q143ff5585db72f272b87","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6d8021e426b38711f000","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q143ff5585db72f272b87","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qbd7f58f614c8597b1628","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":291,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-05-03T03:16:57.501Z","text":"怎么极端施压呀？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q143ff5585db72f272b87","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbd7f58f614c8597b1628","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q143ff5585db72f272b87","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qcef9de44d29c149d061a","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":292,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2026-05-03T03:19:23.879Z","text":"七哥被抓后，我还投了10w刀。本意是想为了证明不是诈骗。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd89ac159a6ae37c5b0bc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcef9de44d29c149d061a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd89ac159a6ae37c5b0bc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qdfcff7e8d7f41ac606a1","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":293,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2026-05-03T03:20:02.686Z","text":"那个钱，现在都不知道去哪了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcef9de44d29c149d061a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdfcff7e8d7f41ac606a1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcef9de44d29c149d061a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q42a9075eb884fae200a0","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":294,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T03:20:57.052Z","text":"现在来给大家炫耀下了 \n\nhttps://x.com/ruienxiaoge777/status/2047386511914774742?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q42a9075eb884fae200a0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q528235242e1b10d59501","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":295,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T03:21:31.064Z","text":"https://x.com/ruienxiaoge777/status/2047116617826656602?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q528235242e1b10d59501","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q4f7d5d480febf3f6121a","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":296,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T03:22:03.168Z","text":"https://x.com/ruienxiaoge777/status/2047029132740141311?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f7d5d480febf3f6121a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q9571db79b99efe79e79a","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":297,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T03:22:24.255Z","text":"https://x.com/ruienxiaoge777/status/2047022801161482330?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9571db79b99efe79e79a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qa8013d920a838656da87","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":298,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2026-05-03T03:22:38.240Z","text":"还是不要透露具体行踪。到了关键时刻了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfad1b9a394d40d189475","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa8013d920a838656da87","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q4d16363e7e6eae96c8dd","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":299,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T03:23:58.059Z","text":"https://x.com/ruienxiaoge777/status/2045653370556620851?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4d16363e7e6eae96c8dd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qf006cf92cfe21d792b92","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":300,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T03:24:56.131Z","text":"https://x.com/ruienxiaoge777/status/2045514270096736694?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf006cf92cfe21d792b92","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qd59205caf12df7a9c67b","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":301,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2026-05-03T03:27:31.465Z","text":"说的对啊，\n你登记成为cvra受害者，检方却说你是郭文贵支持者。\n说不是受害者的几千投资者，检方却硬说他们是受害者。\n这个逻辑，是不是应该跟法庭说说。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc312d8641315a8ab8b40","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd59205caf12df7a9c67b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qccf84e8d17bef1af0d9d","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":302,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T03:27:56.007Z","text":"且看下周螺丝哥的颠覆性文件 ［用户 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申请的，只有这次是二巡自诉施压的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3c6940b0be128bad2a44","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q75948bc6a7ef265456c5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3c6940b0be128bad2a44","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q1f64e1852365f70d4f15","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":314,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-05-03T04:14:47.590Z","text":"这算不算TDCCP内幕交易","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1f64e1852365f70d4f15","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qfc82ace7def0449e2983","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":315,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T04:23:46.508Z","text":"诈骗币本身 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这是刑事罪","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q02778bda09e623a89615","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qf74c4f11528de77557bb","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":319,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-03T04:25:19.206Z","text":"买诈骗币的咋没人上动议呢","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf74c4f11528de77557bb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qe5ad58e2b278d3290cb4","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":320,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T04:25:35.264Z","text":"现在还买的都是[屏蔽词] 指望他们呢","edited":true,"reply_to":"qf74c4f11528de77557bb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe5ad58e2b278d3290cb4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf74c4f11528de77557bb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q358667f397d9f10c342b","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":321,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-03T04:26:16.436Z","text":"这个确实，那对敲的钱只能找农场要？早找不到人了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcb784e7f0b555c678fa7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q358667f397d9f10c342b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcb784e7f0b555c678fa7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q86ab7abde69559c4a59d","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":322,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-03T04:26:36.281Z","text":"已经知道被骗的也没人动啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe5ad58e2b278d3290cb4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q86ab7abde69559c4a59d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe5ad58e2b278d3290cb4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q037adc1f6d3fbca6a627","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":323,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-03T04:27:10.845Z","text":"这个绝对可以搞个专题报告","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q037adc1f6d3fbca6a627","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q9e4f11c98ecf9d2d15c4","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":324,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T04:29:04.887Z","text":"瑞恩已经说了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e4f11c98ecf9d2d15c4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q27d8e409f2056b05db11","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":325,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-03T04:30:45.573Z","text":"可以把这个写到案件里，问农场主是否跟美国政府签了不起诉协议不被强制上交。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q358667f397d9f10c342b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q27d8e409f2056b05db11","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q358667f397d9f10c342b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qe046c9b0b24f09963325","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":326,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-03T04:32:11.941Z","text":"强制上交什么，","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe046c9b0b24f09963325","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qc9303e19aae2908ccece","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":327,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-03T04:35:06.403Z","text":"款项。如果有不起诉协议且不强制上交，可以向法院申请让政府追缴。如果根本没有不起诉协议，就请求法院让政府调查，是被告利用农场主诈骗还是农场主用被告诈骗。但需要先证明，它们没有把钱转到你让它们转的地方。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe046c9b0b24f09963325","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc9303e19aae2908ccece","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe046c9b0b24f09963325","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q2a72a6a1ea25d49243b9","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":328,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-03T04:37:00.190Z","text":"没有喜交所配合，没法证明钱到没到该去的地方","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc9303e19aae2908ccece","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2a72a6a1ea25d49243b9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc9303e19aae2908ccece","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q79cc6ad9684a6dc054d5","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":329,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-03T04:38:35.236Z","text":"像螺丝哥那种，对方宁愿退钱，也不拿出转账的证明，把这个过程捋出来，就是证明。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2a72a6a1ea25d49243b9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q79cc6ad9684a6dc054d5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2a72a6a1ea25d49243b9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qfc97e90f5233fc82380d","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":330,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-03T04:39:22.812Z","text":"他那会还能找到人，我这个人都没了，被农场踢了，销号了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q79cc6ad9684a6dc054d5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfc97e90f5233fc82380d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q79cc6a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"batch-000108","seq":341,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T06:33:49.051Z","text":"https://x.com/ruienxiaoge777/status/2050826105549123710?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q08f6d45fb283e79292f9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q8c27c4331ce00fef8619","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":342,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-03T07:32:35.206Z","text":"alter ego从破产案开始，luc根据调查，认为涉案的公司，都属于郭的alter ego\n刑事案第三版直接把涉及洗钱的公司，都称为 G enterprise，也称 郭集团，没有直接提alter ego，但给陪审团呈现的，就是这个印象\n再加上木兰 凯琳的证词，比如 boss什么的，郭就是集团老大","edited":false,"reply_to":"q479d17c3ac9348f679ce","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8c27c4331ce00fef8619","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q479d17c3ac9348f679ce","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qb0a4a771c1d54f400882","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":343,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T07:33:29.456Z","text":"所以最多是个印象 对吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8c27c4331ce00fef8619","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb0a4a771c1d54f400882","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8c27c4331ce00fef8619","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q75ac8f671117655fcfa1","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":344,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T07:33:58.552Z","text":"我觉得 alter ego的用法  可能在卖mawah更有用","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q75ac8f671117655fcfa1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qef8df10f9c32662f0b31","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":345,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T07:34:02.685Z","text":"你觉得呢 ［用户 joh***］","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qef8df10f9c32662f0b31","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qd66eee78d898d689e40a","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":346,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-03T07:34:19.136Z","text":"是的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd66eee78d898d689e40a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q030303036c2b680d5969","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":347,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-03T07:36:07.520Z","text":"卖Mahwah需要两次alter ego\n第一，没收的G集团财产，是郭的alter ego\n第二，Taurus公司也属于郭的alter ego壳公司（类似郭美郭强的公司）","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q030303036c2b680d5969","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q0972b0231aeb264ea36d","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":348,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T07:37:07.936Z","text":"我记得gclub 买的mawah 而这个taurus 是gclub？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q030303036c2b680d5969","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0972b0231aeb264ea36d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q030303036c2b680d5969","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qae4fcbd545317b622495","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":349,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T07:37:34.853Z","text":"明白了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qae4fcbd545317b622495","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q459faa67bc8800697052","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":350,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-03T07:37:37.646Z","text":"不是，他是独立公司，有独立法人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q459faa67bc8800697052","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q8acd94837cc36e440550","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":351,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T07:37:42.119Z","text":"现在是taurus","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8acd94837cc36e440550","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q21d1874a326001639ba6","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":352,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T07:37:47.027Z","text":"在biv胜诉？是","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q21d1874a326001639ba6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qfd31e8ee69859cf4f12e","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":353,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-03T07:38:08.549Z","text":"胜诉是郭强的公司","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfd31e8ee69859cf4f12e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qf5c2a413a1dbcddb4c49","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":354,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-03T07:38:33.815Z","text":"alter ego在这里，就垮了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf5c2a413a1dbcddb4c49","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q53a536a8d2339dedd828","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":355,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T07:38:55.223Z","text":"郭强公司的胜诉和taurus怎么扯上关系的呢","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfd31e8ee69859cf4f12e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q53a536a8d2339dedd828","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfd31e8ee69859cf4f12e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q78c6799679c2ee404e54","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":356,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-03T07:39:36.562Z","text":"luc诉的理由，都说公司是郭的alter ego\n郭儿子赢了，这个不成立","edited":false,"reply_to":"q53a536a8d2339dedd828","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q78c6799679c2ee404e54","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q53a536a8d2339dedd828","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q777ec586a62ae86043e0","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":357,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T07:40:24.194Z","text":"bvi 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\n和郭家族没有半点关系","edited":false,"reply_to":"q777ec586a62ae86043e0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbb6810ba3b6cb7add7b1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q777ec586a62ae86043e0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q89c65bc9444bb033a157","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":360,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T07:41:29.973Z","text":"哦哦","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q89c65bc9444bb033a157","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q397f1457821f1f8c250b","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":361,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T07:41:45.499Z","text":"所以bvi 就是luc 想把taurus 扯给郭强？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q397f1457821f1f8c250b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q9ad7a200d94478086500","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":362,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-03T07:42:43.443Z","text":"两码事","edited":false,"reply_to":"q397f1457821f1f8c250b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ad7a200d94478086500","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q397f1457821f1f8c250b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q4a134b4dfa43c35814a7","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":363,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-03T07:43:25.650Z","text":"luc 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\nluc想把郭强的公司资产，算到郭头上，然后失败了。要赔郭强律师费。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9074d0bade82e0fb7ea3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qb2ac6a2f688e5ddc48f3","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":369,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-03T07:48:11.501Z","text":"有这个判例，luc诉Taurus的案子，他也会输\n把Taurus看成卖车的公司就行了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb2ac6a2f688e5ddc48f3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q8412b799b43672d9d32a","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":370,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T07:48:34.500Z","text":"哦 明白了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb2ac6a2f688e5ddc48f3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8412b799b43672d9d32a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb2ac6a2f688e5ddc48f3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qebc4ebc16e853755a365","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":371,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T07:48:41.841Z","text":"luc 诉taurus 在美国","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qebc4ebc16e853755a365","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q9bd3fd2eb0ca634155de","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":372,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T07:48:50.652Z","text":"bvi是其他东西 是吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9bd3fd2eb0ca634155de","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qbf4048d429d09a34bed8","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":373,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T07:49:02.502Z","text":"英美法系算是近亲","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbf4048d429d09a34bed8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q50975aa90403b0c16bf7","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":374,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T07:49:05.979Z","text":"不像tony","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q50975aa90403b0c16bf7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q2763c9f744dd957afd9c","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":375,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T07:49:07.559Z","text":"哈哈","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2763c9f744dd957afd9c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qdc26a03486f454209907","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":376,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-03T07:49:33.784Z","text":"对 BVI 英属维京群岛\n注册地在BVI的郭强公司","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9bd3fd2eb0ca634155de","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdc26a03486f454209907","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9bd3fd2eb0ca634155de","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q1aaca8383c3ba7270617","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":377,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-03T07:49:47.301Z","text":"Taurus是在哪里审？也是在BVI?","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb2ac6a2f688e5ddc48f3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1aaca8383c3ba7270617","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb2ac6a2f688e5ddc48f3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q48a5ecdb1b7647008bea","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":378,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T07:49:57.214Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息]  检方和luc的协议是几号文件","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q48a5ecdb1b7647008bea","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q1db617f9194a5ee2aaf3","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":379,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T07:50:04.368Z","text":"美国","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1aaca8383c3ba7270617","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1db617f9194a5ee2aaf3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1aaca8383c3ba7270617","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qec102cd6a673c0eddb27","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":380,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-03T07:50:42.299Z","text":"那赢的难度，跟本案853n赢的难度一样。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1db617f9194a5ee2aaf3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qec102cd6a673c0eddb27","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1db617f9194a5ee2aaf3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q00a43a557ce1487910f1","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":381,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-03T07:50:48.588Z","text":"之前发过，我找找","edited":false,"reply_to":"q48a5ecdb1b7647008bea","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q00a43a557ce1487910f1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q48a5ecdb1b7647008bea","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q64bc416547c9f46ed0f3","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":382,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-03T07:51:33.218Z","text":"目前暂停，说是等郭量刑\n这又是luc玩儿的 先有鸡再有蛋的游戏","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1aaca8383c3ba7270617","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64bc416547c9f46ed0f3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1aaca8383c3ba7270617","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q92060c39613f166a38b8","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":383,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-03T07:53:11.261Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息]  这个 131","edited":true,"reply_to":"q255f46c88a4ed3074d84","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q92060c39613f166a38b8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q255f46c88a4ed3074d84","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qc33d1c5794d78559b2ab","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":384,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-03T07:53:42.442Z","text":"只要g系列里的钱全部作为对被告的金钱判决量刑，那边曼宁马上跟着认定替代自我成立。它们就是用这种循环论证的方式把生米做成熟饭。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q64bc416547c9f46ed0f3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc33d1c5794d78559b2ab","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64bc416547c9f46ed0f3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q619ec042be2f37c3ad2e","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":385,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-03T07:54:08.860Z","text":"不管对不对，先起诉了，公司都是郭的alter ego\n这样游艇，别墅，都可以拿去宣传\n陪审团看到的，就是这样","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc33d1c5794d78559b2ab","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q619ec042be2f37c3ad2e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc33d1c5794d78559b2ab","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q6676d6b83d277928ec9d","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":386,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-03T07:56:01.132Z","text":"郭美和luc死磕，也是必须这样，不然会被他玩儿死","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6676d6b83d277928ec9d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q31584bb1cf8811761067","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":387,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-03T07:56:30.551Z","text":"虚假债权就被它们做成真实债权，然后整个美国司法都要维持这个既成事实，它们可能真的认为美国活不过来了。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q31584bb1cf8811761067","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q07526db84864fed0c3a0","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":388,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T07:57:36.345Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息]  我记得不是131","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q07526db84864fed0c3a0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q2f00751598606799ad5d","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":389,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T07:57:49.529Z","text":"有一个检方和luc签的协议","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2f00751598606799ad5d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qe0debcc2a24eecc1801c","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":390,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T07:57:55.514Z","text":"没收资产可以给luc","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe0debcc2a24eecc1801c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qc32a55602472fc1f2eaa","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":391,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-03T07:58:37.072Z","text":"那得找找，也可能在破产案file","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2f00751598606799ad5d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc32a55602472fc1f2eaa","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2f00751598606799ad5d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q80ad6016e41b5db2c25f","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":392,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T07:58:49.475Z","text":"不 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24年8月份以前的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q26bdcc430efdb4b989bd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3905688d8ccf55119953","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q26bdcc430efdb4b989bd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q30ea9dce643c9c5a0488","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":399,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T08:02:27.219Z","text":"这个可以是一种","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc96a2f55fbe54024ea44","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q30ea9dce643c9c5a0488","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc96a2f55fbe54024ea44","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q9ffee3b6c5436a99e6a5","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":400,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T08:02:39.740Z","text":"但真正的极限施压一定是他们绕不过去的东西","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ffee3b6c5436a99e6a5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000107","next_batch_id":"batch-000109"}