{"id":"batch-000108","number":108,"revision":1,"date_start":"2026-05-02T07:09:50.845Z","date_end":"2026-05-05T15:51:55.197Z","total_messages":1000,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 108 (May 2, 2026 – May 5, 2026), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Batch 108 centers on disputes about farm-loan and Jiex-related funds, where participants contest whether transfers are investments, deposits, or matched transfers and therefore recoverable in the civil-collateral posture. The thread also splits over whether second-review materials can be carried into the Southern District docket, alter-ego claims around Guo-linked entities, and which harmed parties can claim losses. References include CV2021-000495, docket 60331837, and Dkt.716-4, used to frame arguments about Honeycutt, forfeiture, and procedural sequence. Community statements, not court findings.","guide_en":[{"title":"Dispute over attributing farm loan and Jiex funds: investment, deposit, or matched transfer","description":"Community members claim the thread is unresolved over how to characterize farm loan and Jiex-related transfers, with that classification seen as decisive for recoverability and case participation. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q9200cf930840a5fd4ffb","q229222d5a59f4d066755","q5fff03b17fd9657caa0a"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q9200cf930840a5fd4ffb","summary_en":"A participant said farm loan transfers were intended as investment transactions, that the sender lacked a visible follow-up, and that upstream actors may still bear responsibility, so losses justify inclusion in the matter. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q229222d5a59f4d066755","summary_en":"A participant asked whether a party was also an investor in Phoenix farm, signaling uncertainty over who is covered by the same alleged exposure. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q5fff03b17fd9657caa0a","summary_en":"A participant argued they only deposited funds rather than “entering A10,” challenging whether that action should be treated as an investment. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Second-review vs Southern District docket boundary: introducing core evidence and timing of supplemental filing","description":"Community members dispute whether the second-review bundle is overbroad and whether Ryan-linked evidence should be formally introduced in the Southern District docket at a specific filing point. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q512e37ed3ec262ce6501","q385370ab0bd289b91390","q16dd8b8c169b404108fe"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q512e37ed3ec262ce6501","summary_en":"A participant said a second-review submission with too many demands may be difficult to handle as one package. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q385370ab0bd289b91390","summary_en":"A participant suggested using a CVRA-style route to move direct recovery requests to key conspirators and non-chief defendants in the district filing as a more direct strategy. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q16dd8b8c169b404108fe","summary_en":"A participant proposed importing second-review questioning evidence tied to Ryan into the Southern District docket so it becomes formally part of that case. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Victim and co-conspirator boundaries: who can claim losses as same or overlapping cohorts","description":"Community members argue over classification of victim groups and whether people treated as supporters by defense counsel can be simultaneously treated as victims for loss allocation, indicating a contested identity boundary. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qd78e817715054f778193","q77e9cf0ba5b5b6867f40","qea4cfdbe1e83cf864c7d"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qd78e817715054f778193","summary_en":"A participant stated that in the prosecution’s victim typology, people saying they were harmed after the scam and CCP pressure are placed in a second victim category. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q77e9cf0ba5b5b6867f40","summary_en":"A participant queried how such victim classification could shift into the defense representation framework. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qea4cfdbe1e83cf864c7d","summary_en":"A participant claimed that supporters portrayed by defense counsel are treated by the prosecution as victims, reinforcing category ambiguity. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Alter ego and Guo-related entities: independent corporations or nominee control","description":"Community members contend that entity attribution is central to liability, with competing claims over whether Taurus and related Guo-linked companies are independent or operating as alter egos under Guo’s control. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q8c27c4331ce00fef8619","qbb6810ba3b6cb7add7b1","q9074d0bade82e0fb7ea3"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q8c27c4331ce00fef8619","summary_en":"A participant said the bankruptcy review viewed implicated firms as Guo alter egos and that the criminal presentation labeled the laundering entities as a unified Guo enterprise despite no explicit alter-ego language. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qbb6810ba3b6cb7add7b1","summary_en":"A participant claimed Taurus is a company linked to Guo as a “guard” function and argued it has no family relation. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q9074d0bade82e0fb7ea3","summary_en":"A participant said an attempt to attribute Guo Qiang’s company assets to Guo failed and was said to trigger Guo Qiang attorney-fee consequences. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Evidentiary threshold for fund tracing: Phoenix and Vanilla Mountain transfers are not enough to prove deposit entitlement","description":"Community members argue that fund-tracing must be backed by verifiable flow, so mere receipt or transfer records are not treated as dispositive proof of ownership assignment. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q5fd00495f4a327702b24","q0c0ce428f6ec35902a36","qef22793d50d35fa5ab38"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q5fd00495f4a327702b24","summary_en":"A participant stated there was an agreement with Vanilla Mountain under which Phoenix funds were moved there and treated as held by Changdao, arguing this transfer completion itself matters. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q0c0ce428f6ec35902a36","summary_en":"A participant supplied a court docket reference by number—60331837—rather than factual detail in text. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qef22793d50d35fa5ab38","summary_en":"A participant contended that direct deposits into Jiex mean Jiex cannot simply deny the funds by itself. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Loss and forfeiture framework boundaries: restitution, forfeiture, and Honeycutt/853 implications","description":"Community members claim the same monetary pool can produce different legal outcomes depending on whether restitution, sentencing loss, or forfeiture is applied, with Honeycutt and 21 U.S.C. §853 logic invoked to constrain joint accountability. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qe76bf39d95fc67e5a6da","q2cc1ba4b6d536e04dac1","qf3d341ba2ae5e2c43de4"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qe76bf39d95fc67e5a6da","summary_en":"A participant explained a distinction between sentencing-loss calculations and restitution, arguing that loss totals for sentencing may remain broad while restitution is generally limited to recognized claimants who request payment. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q2cc1ba4b6d536e04dac1","summary_en":"A participant cited Honeycutt to argue against joint-and-several-style forfeiture and to limit recovery to personally obtained proceeds, with references to Dkt.716-4 and related case principles. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf3d341ba2ae5e2c43de4","summary_en":"A participant asserted that where no restitution order applies, forfeiture becomes the operative recovery mechanism, with 1,250 supporters portrayed as ineffective in that design. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Charging structure and procedural dispute: Brady disclosure, testimony rebuttal, and alleged trial flaws","description":"Community members dispute prosecutorial theory by arguing that key premises like the G-series ownership were not independently proven, and that testimony and consequences were then used in a circular way to support RICO arguments. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q1c0f6370d915b64e1cf5","qc0b570a9a3b6f25c9c1c","qfb8a3e2d48f779894d2a"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q1c0f6370d915b64e1cf5","summary_en":"A participant claimed the government never separately proved a core premise that the G-series belonged to Guo, yet used results dependent on that premise to present RICO outcomes. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qc0b570a9a3b6f25c9c1c","summary_en":"A participant described the approach as circular, arguing it used the conspiracy finding to establish the very conspiracy conclusion. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qfb8a3e2d48f779894d2a","summary_en":"A participant said there were too many procedural doubts and injustices, arguing this supports seeking retrial-like relief. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Time window and execution posture: filing by June 29, enforcement orders, and delay pressure","description":"Community members claim procedural urgency is driving strategy, with enforcement orders viewed as tools to force court handling and uncertain dates creating pressure around sentencing-related milestones. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q26bdcc430efdb4b989bd","q7182e06946b2862224a7","q73f738092594bfbe3a48"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q26bdcc430efdb4b989bd","summary_en":"A participant asked for clarification of the relevant filing date, signaling ambiguity in the current procedural window. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q7182e06946b2862224a7","summary_en":"A participant argued that the Southern District’s many mandatory orders should be treated seriously and not brushed aside. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q73f738092594bfbe3a48","summary_en":"A participant asked whether sentencing might still occur by June 29. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Evidence-source credibility dispute: external posts and broadcasts versus court-verifiable materials","description":"Community members dispute which sources are credible, contrasting external posts or livestream narratives with courtroom-verified filings, and challenging whether non-official material can carry evidentiary weight. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qf48536d2246dfe12a250","q92060c39613f166a38b8","q0f2c832761fe9f8dfb79"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qf48536d2246dfe12a250","summary_en":"A participant offered a speculative breakdown of influence sources but without supporting court record, framing the case as driven by non-judicial actors. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q92060c39613f166a38b8","summary_en":"A participant posted a redacted note containing a numeric reference but omitted full details, which others used as part of the controversy over sourcing. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q0f2c832761fe9f8dfb79","summary_en":"A participant shared a social-media post reference, reinforcing dependence on public posts rather than strictly court-submitted evidence. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Farm-loan chain and claim registration clash: self-initiated actions, lists, and registration authenticity","description":"Community members contend that recovery strategy around farm loan is split between criminal-collateral framing and private procedural moves such as self-initiated filing and claimant extraction, with CV2021-000495 treated as a key dispute marker. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q0da63d637154debfe34f","q7b9aff2477a21115647b","qa3ad59ecf3d0bb20750a"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q0da63d637154debfe34f","summary_en":"A participant described a 2020 transfer from Phoenix funds into Gservice entities tied to zhangxin and yun jing, a later bank freeze after internal contest, and a bank lawsuit recorded as CV2021-000495 over ownership. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q7b9aff2477a21115647b","summary_en":"A participant stated that the purpose was investment in farm loan and that factual tracing is for the accused party to explain. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qa3ad59ecf3d0bb20750a","summary_en":"A participant claimed farm-loan related money could be separated through private prosecution-style claims to isolate personal funds. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Appeal and practical expectations: overturn odds decline, focus shifts to sentencing and procedural routes","description":"Community members dispute strategy by stating appeals based on innocence are viewed as unlikely to overturn, so discussions pivot toward procedural remedies, sentencing exposure, and limits on third-party standing. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qfb20474819e60928acb0","qff3b6fe51eaa493f5139","q2dae075d414294c6836c"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qfb20474819e60928acb0","summary_en":"A participant argued that Guo’s not-guilty position is not merely a bid to reduce sentence. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qff3b6fe51eaa493f5139","summary_en":"A participant said dismissal was very unlikely and nearly impossible. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q2dae075d414294c6836c","summary_en":"A participant stated only a defendant can pursue a not-guilty appeal on procedural errors, while third parties cannot seek a full innocence reversal; prosecution dismissal was also seen as unlikely. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Consolidation/severance battleground: whether second-review files can replace Southern District materials","description":"Community members contend the key question is whether second-review filings can automatically replace or be absorbed into the main Southern District docket, versus needing explicit docketing motions and notices. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qf6f364221903de95f8d5","q730161e48b9074d63212","q218a0424e128aad790e0"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qf6f364221903de95f8d5","summary_en":"A participant asked whether second-review documents automatically become part of the main post-appeal record. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q730161e48b9074d63212","summary_en":"A participant defined the enforcement motion as requiring Southern District record entry of evidence motions and using additional filings to fill evidentiary gaps that also affected sentencing schedules. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q218a0424e128aad790e0","summary_en":"A participant argued nondocketing by second review reflected discretion and stressed that filing notices and actual Southern District docket entry are distinct; they said two notices were not uploaded. Community statements, not court findings."}]}],"summary":"讨论围绕资产追责与程序推进形成分岐。对farm loan与喜交所款项究竟是投资、存款还是对敲，意见不一，直接影响追偿可行性。二巡与南区是否能补齐并正式写入docket、能否替代先前卷宗，成了推进节奏核心。另一主线集中在alter ego与公司财产归属：Taurus及郭强相关实体是否独立法人、是否代持控制，进而牵动受害者与共谋身份。对损失与没收框架的理解也分歧明显，涉及restitution、forfeiture、853及Honeycutt下金额边界。资金去向证据上，部分成员坚持“先有可核验链路”，反对仅凭“到账”作结。时间窗口、强制令与材料提交体现执行导向，但外部帖文与非核实线索的证据价值持续受质疑，整体呈现法庭程序与舆论叙事并行竞争。","guide":[{"title":"farm loan与喜交所款项属性归责争议：投资、存款还是对敲","message_ids":["q9200cf930840a5fd4ffb","q229222d5a59f4d066755","q5fff03b17fd9657caa0a"]},{"title":"二巡与南区docket边界争执：能否引入核心证据与补录时点","message_ids":["q512e37ed3ec262ce6501","q385370ab0bd289b91390","q16dd8b8c169b404108fe"]},{"title":"受害者与共谋角色边界分歧：是否同一人群可主张受害损失","message_ids":["qd78e817715054f778193","q77e9cf0ba5b5b6867f40","qea4cfdbe1e83cf864c7d"]},{"title":"alter 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现在不敢信他们直播的话","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc03a20c7de740b4dd137","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qec00c19032fff0aa177f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc03a20c7de740b4dd137","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q693b1f35e73a84f0f5d4","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":404,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-03T08:07:40.089Z","text":"真真假假","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q693b1f35e73a84f0f5d4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q82c7e06c9089e1333ab2","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":405,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T08:07:50.067Z","text":"确实有","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q82c7e06c9089e1333ab2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qcacc549a43e324656bb1","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":406,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T08:13:25.228Z","text":"STK《神奇太空》【第89期】\n在检方的刑事起诉书中，检方是把Mahwah物业，也就是我们的新中国联邦基地，做为此案件的证据的。但是，在8月14日，受托人Luc向破产法院提交的申请中，要求批准受托人与政府检方达成的《和解协议》，该协议中写明，检方同意出售Mahwah物业，并且同意与Luc谈判“如何分配出售Mahwah后所获得的收益”，也就是说在还没有开庭的情况下，检方竟然要把刑事起诉书中的“证据”卖掉。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcacc549a43e324656bb1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qd9b8e5221d553d61d87a","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":407,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-03T08:14:08.706Z","text":"23.8月以前，刑事庭没有这个协议file","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa6f49829e9fba56ba2c3","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd9b8e5221d553d61d87a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q5efa18d2abc05e2aa675","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":408,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T08:14:19.758Z","text":"那就是破产案？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd9b8e5221d553d61d87a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5efa18d2abc05e2aa675","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd9b8e5221d553d61d87a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q676d116b5c23ba4e3269","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":409,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T08:17:39.500Z","text":"https://x.com/percy43508644/status/1718248052773749068?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q676d116b5c23ba4e3269","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qb8a07c7f96ca34423074","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":410,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T08:17:51.097Z","text":"［用户 Del***］ 还得是浦律啊","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb8a07c7f96ca34423074","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qfd3559e67e5091aeb0e7","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":411,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-03T08:18:13.176Z","text":"luc整的其他破产案，可能债务人没有这个案件的债务人干净，被它给整成了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0727b76479111978bf25","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfd3559e67e5091aeb0e7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0727b76479111978bf25","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q4d04f3873f7a7fc46f91","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":412,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T08:25:07.006Z","text":"luc违反了啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4d04f3873f7a7fc46f91","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q66eb5fee2407b107d835","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":413,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T08:25:16.326Z","text":"检方说了 要打官司赢了才能卖","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q66eb5fee2407b107d835","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q7bede4efde8e988e2c03","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":414,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T08:26:40.740Z","text":"和解协议只是扫清了政府阻挠的障碍，最终还是要靠破产法院（Connecticut Bankruptcy Court）判决胜诉后才能合法卖掉。\n这份文件是2023年8月的申请批准和解，当时对抗诉讼才刚开始，到目前（2026年） 是否已经胜诉并完成出售，需要查最新的法院记录。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7bede4efde8e988e2c03","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q35b1f8f25d8d024988d6","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":415,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T08:26:57.140Z","text":"［用户 joh***］  alter ego一直在pending？","edited":true,"reply_to":"q7bede4efde8e988e2c03","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q35b1f8f25d8d024988d6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7bede4efde8e988e2c03","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q60a59c4416d8f70a82cf","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":416,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-03T08:27:21.545Z","text":"对，Taurus的目前暂停","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q60a59c4416d8f70a82cf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q3e571fd24447201f7314","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":417,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T08:27:31.822Z","text":"mawah啥时候卖的？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3e571fd24447201f7314","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q022111ef5279e820a8fe","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":418,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-03T08:27:56.487Z","text":"目前是上架 貌似还没卖出去","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3e571fd24447201f7314","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q022111ef5279e820a8fe","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3e571fd24447201f7314","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qf2fd3cae746a75eb226c","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":419,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T08:28:16.845Z","text":"没人敢买吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"q022111ef5279e820a8fe","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf2fd3cae746a75eb226c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q022111ef5279e820a8fe","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q1e43f7aedbb87f598e71","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":420,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-03T08:32:00.682Z","text":"我一直认为，luc可以扯说它接受的拱卒和朱莉娅债权不是因为它们是什么g系列投资者，全都是正经的被借钱不还的债权人，被告扯什么g系列投资者登记债权是虚假陈述妨碍司法，后面被被告鼓动的那些债权也被清理了，被破产法庭里的文件里的矛盾间接证明了拱卒和朱莉娅的债权为假后，luc还会继续耍赖说，债务人鼓动g系列投资者登记的债权已经被清理了，由于疏忽接受拱卒和朱莉娅的也清理了，剩下的180亿都是合法有效的债权，在想怎么反击这个论调。这个协议，可能可以帮得上忙。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1c00cffb5a34d037e3a1","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1e43f7aedbb87f598e71","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qe9a9a075988db7883358","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":421,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-03T08:32:15.509Z","text":"还有一点，这个时候，检方已经算好了要把财产forfeiture","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf2fd3cae746a75eb226c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe9a9a075988db7883358","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf2fd3cae746a75eb226c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q535607d3c229d80bb4b1","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":422,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-03T08:33:25.316Z","text":"压根没有想过restitution","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q535607d3c229d80bb4b1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qe271587b4b6d3baf5b82","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":423,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-03T08:34:18.981Z","text":"王案forfeiture，也是25年1月才判\n23年8月，已经把郭案设计好了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe271587b4b6d3baf5b82","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q516a60e65f0a1252e5c3","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":424,"speaker":"0x_***","date":"2026-05-03T08:59:29.685Z","text":"如果能让长岛必须回应就能解决很多问题。凤凰农场的900万，当时我们签了代理协议，委托联盟追讨，但是后来在CV2021-000495这个案件文档里面看到，长岛根本没代表联盟去追这个钱，而是以MOS的名义去讨要其中maywind的400万，还垄断信息，不告诉战友去参与CV2021-000495就能退款。24年长岛拿到钱的时候还在直播里撒谎，说这个钱不属于凤凰农场。这些应该已经构成诈骗了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1348f9ed5ede1b3d2715","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q516a60e65f0a1252e5c3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1348f9ed5ede1b3d2715","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q145602ed7216f6431c61","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":425,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-03T09:14:16.133Z","text":"400W和解，魏的凤凰账户，转款给MOS","edited":false,"reply_to":"q516a60e65f0a1252e5c3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q145602ed7216f6431c61","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q516a60e65f0a1252e5c3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q945ade7e07ea3fea5aec","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":426,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-03T09:14:59.308Z","text":"鸟再称MOS款被冻结，等郭案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q945ade7e07ea3fea5aec","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q6174ce49ca14dc846619","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":427,"speaker":"0x_***","date":"2026-05-03T09:16:14.208Z","text":"长岛说400万是香草山的借款，是香草山的战友借用maywind的账号，向maywind汇款400万","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6174ce49ca14dc846619","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q8b3a0f09bf71a07045a1","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":428,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-03T09:17:58.177Z","text":"鸟告魏，立刻和解\n鸟吞400w，不再追究魏其他事","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6174ce49ca14dc8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loan，可以做自诉，要求把自己的钱从案子剥离出来","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa3ad59ecf3d0bb20750a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q2b18f192541cbd2e0f53","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":436,"speaker":"0x_***","date":"2026-05-03T09:32:29.839Z","text":"凤凰农场的，应该算farm loan","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2b18f192541cbd2e0f53","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q49ec45cdb602f5195e6b","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":437,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-03T09:32:41.228Z","text":"同时逼魏，鸟，出来回应，400w的去向","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q49ec45cdb602f5195e6b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qa738bca3da36160f86a4","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":438,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-03T09:33:21.299Z","text":"鸟如果吞了，就是欺诈，他和检方签的不起诉协议无效","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa738bca3da36160f86a4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qf5420c1fccafc44d24a0","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":439,"speaker":"0x_***","date":"2026-05-03T09:33:43.320Z","text":"不对。凤凰农场的钱没在刑事案扣押的里面","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf5420c1fccafc44d24a0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q6bc2e47ebc4a5c63f7d9","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":440,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-03T09:33:56.579Z","text":"你能否提供长岛24年的视频？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q516a60e65f0a1252e5c3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6bc2e47ebc4a5c63f7d9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q516a60e65f0a1252e5c3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qe61eea6e7baacc6e248a","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":441,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-03T09:35:14.913Z","text":"哪里有法庭文件可以确认？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf5420c1fccafc44d24a0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe61eea6e7baacc6e248a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf5420c1fccafc44d24a0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q0da63d637154debfe34f","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":442,"speaker":"0x_***","date":"2026-05-03T09:36:42.700Z","text":"凤凰的钱在2020年10月中旬就转移到了zhangxin和yun jing的公司gservice里，然后chenqisheng想动这个钱，yun jing阻止了，然后这个异常触发了所在银行的风控，银行把这个钱冻结了，银行起诉了gservice zhangxin 等人，要求法庭处理这笔钱的归属问题，这就是CV2021-000495","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0da63d637154debfe34f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q7b9aff2477a21115647b","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":443,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-03T09:36:55.012Z","text":"你们投资的目的，是farm 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loan，就在刑事案里\n损失了，就有资格参与这个事\n而且是把自己的投资，从涉案金额里，剥离出去\n这对郭的量刑，不会有负面影响","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa4c9c98f2aed05bd4d2b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qc2df81fb6af013a404c2","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":450,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-03T09:45:06.495Z","text":"九指，长岛也都在第三版起诉书中，现在不上折子参他们一本，6.29之后啥都没了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa4c9c98f2aed05bd4d2b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc2df81fb6af013a404c2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa4c9c98f2aed05bd4d2b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q0789fd1ab738fa9c4486","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":451,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-03T09:49:55.562Z","text":"被告点，王雪斌，夏其东，魏丽红，张永兵，这些人名，目的之一可能就是让给这些人汇了款的在法庭上找它们算账。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0789fd1ab738fa9c4486","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q8a261d347c38e767f54f","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":452,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-03T09:50:20.111Z","text":"郭不傻，不会平白无故，说这些人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8a261d347c38e767f54f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qa93e31e09681de041e0a","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":453,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-03T09:52:38.487Z","text":"也真是逗，个个大喊着“爱七哥”，明明自己能发动议揭露 九指 夏 这样的骗子，既能保自己得钱，还真正能“爱你们的七哥”，到头来行动起来的也只有个别人。大多数都是口眼歪斜、流着哈喇子，痴痴地望着MDC，心中无限期待：南区是青天大老爷，你七哥一个人就能脚踏七彩祥云王者归来😱\n\n老郭看到这场景是该哭啊，还是该哭啊？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa93e31e09681de041e0a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q3e4ce95ff01432c56890","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":454,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-03T09:53:05.829Z","text":"谁还记得，魏丽红砸郭之后的联盟账号接收农场借贷项目的投资款，这些账号是哪些公司的账号，公司由谁设立和控制。记得当时还发了联盟公告，说明哪些是联盟背书的银行账号。估计刑事案里的1.1亿农场借贷，就是这些账号收的钱。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3e4ce95ff01432c56890","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q79513399e9c0fc06c209","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":455,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-03T09:54:31.867Z","text":"没直接打的这些账号的，可能就需要上法庭让政府去调查。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q79513399e9c0fc06c209","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q25be40bb3c7c4357f7fb","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":456,"speaker":"0x_***","date":"2026-05-03T09:55:34.866Z","text":"魏丽红叛变之后好像就是往gclub和喜交所账号汇款了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q25be40bb3c7c4357f7fb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q80ac1211aa13f696fbdd","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":457,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-03T09:59:05.554Z","text":"不，我记得直接给到联盟账号汇款，因为有人恶意举报，一个账号活不了多久。这个状态过了差不多大半年，可能成立公司开银行账号太麻烦，才停止了。后面才有A10,a15这类。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q25be40bb3c7c4357f7fb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q80ac1211aa13f696fbdd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q25be40bb3c7c4357f7fb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q215898d81be400267c43","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":458,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-03T10:07:59.709Z","text":"对啊，老郭都明示了上啊，收拾这帮孙子！ 还TM不自诉上南区？就这水平胆识还TM to the moon?\n\n在6.29之前，把你控诉这几个骗子的证据 在二巡强制令加持下送上南区案卷，逼着托大人圈阅，这TM才是 to the moon!","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0789fd1ab738fa9c4486","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q215898d81be400267c43","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0789fd1ab738fa9c4486","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qcbb4233f59e3dbd17ff1","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":459,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-03T10:24:14.029Z","text":"拱卒和朱莉娅登记债权，是因为它们主张g系列投资被债务人骗所以登记债权，这一点，体现在哪个破产文件？是否已经研究清楚？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q65709b8cae94b7e9990c","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcbb4233f59e3dbd17ff1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qd8fc6c31bc3935e6ed67","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":460,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-03T10:32:05.977Z","text":"是luc或者它们自己这么说才行，法官的命令以及在听证上的裁量里有体现也行，被告这么说没什么用。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcbb4233f59e3dbd17ff1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd8fc6c31bc3935e6ed67","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcbb4233f59e3dbd17ff1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qbce70544076a8d3aa6d6","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":461,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-03T10:39:16.451Z","text":"他们的登记，我得去找找","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcbb4233f59e3dbd17ff1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbce70544076a8d3aa6d6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcbb4233f59e3dbd17ff1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qdcf884e24ced6ae3163b","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":462,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-03T10:40:09.476Z","text":"之前找到的登记，只说登记了多少，没有体现具体是因为什么主张债权。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbce70544076a8d3aa6d6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdcf884e24ced6ae3163b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbce70544076a8d3aa6d6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q1845d626ffdf61cff9d6","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":463,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-03T10:41:20.072Z","text":"这个不一定有 他们两个登记编号是17 18","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdcf884e24ced6ae3163b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1845d626ffdf61cff9d6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdcf884e24ced6ae3163b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q8da5d2952b73b8ad2a2c","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":464,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-03T10:41:29.377Z","text":"郭宝胜也登记了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8da5d2952b73b8ad2a2c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q1e62918bb330d6b0c0b9","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":465,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-03T10:41:48.095Z","text":"还有几个，可能就是郭自己加上去的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1e62918bb330d6b0c0b9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qb035dd2048c1aeab7ffc","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":466,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-03T10:42:31.900Z","text":"估计都没有理由","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb035dd2048c1aeab7ffc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q2d7a66968259823d39eb","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":467,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-05-03T10:42:59.229Z","text":"郭宝盛赵岩，是郭文贵自己添加的。好像","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8da5d2952b73b8ad2a2c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2d7a66968259823d39eb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8da5d2952b73b8ad2a2c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q6f6d7f03c1b56af85485","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":468,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-03T12:06:08.513Z","text":"这样被告之一就出来了，剩下的3和四个共谋犯就进去了，结案。\n关键：在南区卷宗里要钱，还要托大人圈阅，南区不docket自诉，那就二巡强制令教南区做人","edited":false,"reply_to":"q71e6e01496d67522935f","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6f6d7f03c1b56af85485","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q3d20e0ceb522b99e30ab","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":469,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-03T12:47:02.427Z","text":"LUC在BVI诉了郭强2个案子是吗？一个是诉郭强的公司是alter ego，另一个是诉郭强英国的房子是产权是郭的？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9074d0bade82e0fb7ea3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3d20e0ceb522b99e30ab","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9074d0bade82e0fb7ea3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q769716e860d3304de3c2","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":470,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-05-03T12:51:30.505Z","text":"卖出去与否 已经不重要了；luc的这一行动已经构成了非法","edited":false,"reply_to":"q022111ef5279e820a8fe","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q769716e860d3304de3c2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q022111ef5279e820a8fe","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q7c4b9834c4e2ac5274e4","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":471,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-03T13:05:15.627Z","text":"就一个案子：要抢郭强公司的房子\n起诉理由：郭强的公司，是郭的alter ego","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3d20e0ceb522b99e30ab","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7c4b9834c4e2ac5274e4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3d20e0ceb522b99e30ab","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qcd160b342516dff448ed","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":472,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-03T13:09:23.708Z","text":"目的很简单，但定罪前，没有任何有力证据出现在法庭，灭爆足干的很不错\n现在是通过二巡补证据","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6f6d7f03c1b56af85485","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcd160b342516dff448ed","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6f6d7f03c1b56af85485","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qb86dbe603d4b53e46a80","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":473,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-03T13:10:27.231Z","text":"不对吧，我看到一个是说没管辖权，要去英国本土打，赔律师费100来万，另一个替代自我不成立，赔律师费400万","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb86dbe603d4b53e46a80","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qbc918d6efc020fa26ad7","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":474,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-03T13:17:13.188Z","text":"建议你们弄个EXCEL表格，每看一个文件，标注上文件关键内容，对应文件号","edited":false,"reply_to":"q82c7e06c9089e1333ab2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbc918d6efc020fa26ad7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q82c7e06c9089e1333ab2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q1637c8c3ea5a32d809d6","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":475,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-03T13:20:10.859Z","text":"一个案子 两条起诉","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb86dbe603d4b53e46a80","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1637c8c3ea5a32d809d6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb86dbe603d4b53e46a80","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q8888cf70837077e06eb9","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":476,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-03T13:20:15.884Z","text":"都不成立","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8888cf70837077e06eb9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q1c99d76f0c2538699a10","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":477,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-03T13:20:44.275Z","text":"二巡补证据是保底，南区的卷宗里面看不到，就是不存在，现在是要把这些证据搬到南区卷宗里面并且托大人圈阅才会存在啊！\n\n不能就指望着上诉律师拿着二巡这些证据冲上去啊？他们要是就不用，就看不见呢？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcd160b342516dff448ed","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1c99d76f0c2538699a10","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcd160b342516dff448ed","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q95dd5333f5b909cc5874","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":478,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-05-03T13:26:04.078Z","text":"是的，自去年9月底至今，我先后有十个自诉发给南区，每次都有自动回复，但是南区法院都没有上传，我只能向二巡求助，否则我的文件石沉大海，一个都没有留下记录。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1c99d76f0c2538699a10","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q95dd5333f5b909cc5874","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1c99d76f0c2538699a10","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q95ebfc5a74238e493f6f","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":479,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-03T13:27:00.483Z","text":"你完全可以挑一些相关性高的，再组织一下，再冲一次二巡，别从宇宙大爆炸谈起，直至宇宙湮灭那一刻的所有事情都谈一遍，然后告诉二巡，我这12卷巨著要上南区","edited":false,"reply_to":"q95dd5333f5b909cc5874","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q95ebfc5a74238e493f6f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q95dd5333f5b909cc5874","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q3ac8d23aceb514aa5bf5","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":480,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-05-03T13:45:55.678Z","text":"农场借款，是郭案中检方给郭定罪的一项/涉案的实体之一。借款人需要强制那些真正的骗子出来解释一下借款的去向。下面是案件讨论群关于借款的一些观点，供参考，真伪自辩，不负法律责任：\n\n凤凰农场的钱有没有在刑事案扣押的里面？一部分凤凰借款的钱（一个银行里的）在2020年10月中旬就转移到了zhangxin和yun jing的公司gservice里，然后chenqisheng想动这个钱，yun jing阻止了，然后这个异常触发了所在银行的风控，银行把这个钱冻结了，银行起诉了gservice zhangxin 等人，要求法庭处理这笔钱的归属问题，这就是CV2021-000495\n\n农场借款投资人与王雪冰、长岛/夏凄东/鸟等等签了协议，让他们从魏立红/9指妖那里要钱。协议可能有问题，不是联盟统一版本，有人是跟王雪冰签的。\n\n岛当时有全体战友的委托，但他没帮战友去要钱，而是以mos的名义去要钱，最终他拿到了350万左右。然后这个冻结的钱没分完的部分现在亚利桑那州法院里，不在郭刑事案里（一小部分凤凰农场的钱不在，大多数在刑事案里）\n\n鸟/夏凄东/长岛说400万是香草山的借款，是香草山的战友借用maywind的账号，向maywind汇款400万。\n\n鸟告魏立红（9指妖），9指妖立刻和解，魏的凤凰账户，转款给MOS（据说是鸟的公司），鸟吞400w，不再追究魏其他事。\n那些问鸟要钱的，鸟不给，说MOS涉案被冻结。这和加拿大姜虾头，吞集资款的套路，一样样。\n\nmos的钱是否真的被冻结了？听说mos已经关闭了\n\n如果能让鸟必须回应就能解决很多问题。凤凰农场的900万，当时我们签了代理协议，委托联盟追讨，但是后来在CV2021-000495这个案件文档里面看到，长岛根本没代表联盟去追这个钱，而是以MOS的名义去讨要其中maywind的400万，还垄断信息，不告诉战友去参与CV2021-000495就能退款。24年长岛拿到钱的时候还在直播里撒谎，说这个钱不属于凤凰农场。这些应该已经构成诈骗了\n\n凡事投资农场借款的，都有资格在刑事案里，讲自己的亲身经历，钱汇给了谁，哪个农场，被谁截胡了， 您与谁沟通要钱，却没有结果，与郭有联系吗？谁是真正的诈骗犯？以自诉的形式，还原真相。\n\n被告在法庭文件中，点名王雪斌，夏其东，魏丽红，张永兵，可能其目的之一就是让给这些人汇款人明白，你们的钱在他们那里，在法庭上找它们算账。九指，鸟也都在第三版起诉书中，现在不在法庭上说，6.29之后啥都没了。\n\n还有一些灭共演员，大喊着“爱七哥”，明明自己能发动议揭露事实真相，让那些真正的骗子付法律责任，既能保自己得钱，还真正能“爱你们的七哥”，到头来行动起来的却只有个别人。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3ac8d23aceb514aa5bf5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qe6931c879d9ba2e02418","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":481,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-05-03T13:46:31.281Z","text":"（上面的是关于借款内容的整理，大家顺便转发）","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe6931c879d9ba2e02418","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q4f6e599ceaffc25965b5","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":482,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T13:58:25.021Z","text":"如果直接上法庭问他们要钱 我还是搞不懂rico怎么拆掉","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f6e599ceaffc25965b5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q1726bfe1f4775c09c7bc","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":483,"speaker":"0x_***","date":"2026-05-03T14:01:09.017Z","text":"谁拿了钱谁犯罪，郭没拿钱，郭没指使农场主贪墨战友的钱，凭啥RICO郭？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1726bfe1f4775c09c7bc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qf68241115c78eec4ed9a","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":484,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T14:01:52.816Z","text":"有了rico 都可以说他们是听郭的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1726bfe1f4775c09c7bc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf68241115c78eec4ed9a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1726bfe1f4775c09c7bc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q21ddda9f05f92e52b4fc","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":485,"speaker":"0x_***","date":"2026-05-03T14:01:53.119Z","text":"长岛撒谎的视频 https://x.com/rainbowgung/status/1751621139363684562","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6bc2e47ebc4a5c63f7d9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q21ddda9f05f92e52b4fc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6bc2e47ebc4a5c63f7d9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qb6457f923a7aa3442798","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":486,"speaker":"0x_***","date":"2026-05-03T14:03:15.999Z","text":"他们光说就行吗？得有证据吧？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb6457f923a7aa3442798","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qbc0dba111bd0d4653fbe","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":487,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T14:04:02.370Z","text":"没用的 因为整个结构是郭设计的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb6457f923a7aa3442798","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbc0dba111bd0d4653fbe","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb6457f923a7aa3442798","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q1c311dc36f76cf76854d","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":488,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T14:04:26.960Z","text":"郭拿了0块 也能套到他头上","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1c311dc36f76cf76854d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qa84da575c5a8cbdf8ba0","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":489,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T14:05:04.329Z","text":"即使：\n    •    农场主贪钱\n    •    中间人截留\n\n只要政府能证明：\n    •    这些人属于同一个“enterprise”\n    •    或在同一scheme下运作\n\n👉 反而更像RICO，而不是更弱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa84da575c5a8cbdf8ba0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qbfb285762bdfebaba3c7","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":490,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T14:05:14.883Z","text":"你妈的 更像rico","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa84da575c5a8cbdf8ba0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbfb285762bdfebaba3c7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa84da575c5a8cbdf8ba0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qaa63474f7ef1f875d69e","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":491,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T14:05:35.871Z","text":"所以没那么简单 我认为rico根本就拆不掉","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaa63474f7ef1f875d69e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q94138df8cdf0913df075","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":492,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T14:06:18.568Z","text":"这个案子只有从根源上给他铲除了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q94138df8cdf0913df075","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q883e16e273d96d29ebba","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":493,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T14:06:40.184Z","text":"先把案子搅黄了 然后郭出来后自行起诉演员们","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q883e16e273d96d29ebba","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q3c035e6f22b55744d2ea","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":494,"speaker":"0x_***","date":"2026-05-03T14:07:57.735Z","text":"RICO没那么容易成立，否则朱利安尼就不会是英雄，之前的市长为啥解决不了黑帮问题？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3c035e6f22b55744d2ea","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qb0afd65293f28b05699a","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":495,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T14:08:20.672Z","text":"你这个思路就不对了 rico已经成立了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3c035e6f22b55744d2ea","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb0afd65293f28b05699a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3c035e6f22b55744d2ea","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qad1dbd4681f5913482a3","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":496,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-05-03T14:08:29.978Z","text":"RICO 存在， 但是是共匪的蛇燕子党中央；所以政治因素也 重要","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qad1dbd4681f5913482a3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q480b4c3c74fa0a89e0d8","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":497,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T14:08:31.567Z","text":"现在是rico成立 你怎么去拆掉","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q480b4c3c74fa0a89e0d8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q1ada799e62c1434b459d","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":498,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T14:08:54.409Z","text":"陪审团定罪了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1ada799e62c1434b459d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qd180639e4633a95fa2b1","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":499,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-05-03T14:09:35.637Z","text":"12项中的9项里 陪审团判有罪的 包括RICO？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb0afd65293f28b05699a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd180639e4633a95fa2b1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb0afd65293f28b05699a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qfc008d55ddd749e880cb","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":500,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T14:09:57.898Z","text":"当然啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd180639e4633a95fa2b1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfc008d55ddd749e880cb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd180639e4633a95fa2b1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q54cc433cffa7c3b49fa6","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":501,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T14:10:04.000Z","text":"只有gtv三项无罪","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q54cc433cffa7c3b49fa6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q4b5e8feeae7643fcf07a","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":502,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T14:10:18.268Z","text":"如果rico那项无罪 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12项有罪","edited":false,"reply_to":"q83c59be4e59b2bea6590","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7e57bb265435017ac403","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q83c59be4e59b2bea6590","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qd130df8d6e817e182ce6","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":507,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T14:11:31.963Z","text":"不会有任何机会","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd130df8d6e817e182ce6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q3cb5fdabc6b3446b04ed","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":508,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T14:11:34.587Z","text":"牢底坐穿","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3cb5fdabc6b3446b04ed","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q3090c22590b2061ce1b8","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":509,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T14:11:40.759Z","text":"现在早就判一百年了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3090c22590b2061ce1b8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q65e2befc96ca7ff3139f","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":510,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-03T14:11:52.290Z","text":"现在的问题是被陪审团定罪成立了，第三方能做的，就是通过把钱捋清楚这个过程，来证明之前的叙事基础：g系列属于被告，根本就不存在。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q65e2befc96ca7ff3139f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q5758bb84d5b66a06247c","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":511,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T14:12:04.914Z","text":"这个也没用","edited":false,"reply_to":"q65e2befc96ca7ff3139f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5758bb84d5b66a06247c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q65e2befc96ca7ff3139f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q62201ab2857d716397fd","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":512,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T14:12:13.923Z","text":"第三方只能用极限操作","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q62201ab2857d716397fd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qfb8a3e2d48f779894d2a","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":513,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-05-03T14:12:16.509Z","text":"案件太多疑點，程序不正義的地方太多，駁回重審⋯⋯","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfb8a3e2d48f779894d2a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q2f87fa51b4b1429b4817","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":514,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T14:12:30.187Z","text":"把所有重大程序违规捅上二巡","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2f87fa51b4b1429b4817","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q5232c881cca25e831f9c","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":515,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T14:12:48.102Z","text":"然后用尽所有第三方能用的权利去极限施压","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5232c881cca25e831f9c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q8fa2ce02e5e0e235b8d3","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":516,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-03T14:12:59.862Z","text":"不是说第三方赢了，那边马上赢，而是那边发现了新证据。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5758bb84d5b66a06247c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8fa2ce02e5e0e235b8d3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5758bb84d5b66a06247c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q240270eef0b50ab0afca","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":517,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T14:13:24.527Z","text":"这个是肯定要给的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8fa2ce02e5e0e235b8d3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q240270eef0b50ab0afca","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8fa2ce02e5e0e235b8d3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussio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beg***］ 这个视频也有用\n\nhttps://x.com/rainbowgung/status/1751621139363684562","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q480b1093781de0f1ba9b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q1c0f6370d915b64e1cf5","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":528,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-03T14:17:31.204Z","text":"它们的最大问题是，一直隐瞒一个基础前提，g系列属于郭这一点，从来没有被单独证明。然后却呈现了只有这一点成立才会有的法律结果。这些法律结果是luc违法制造出来的，政府明知这一点，却一直向陪审团展示luc违法制造的法律结果来证明rico。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1c0f6370d915b64e1cf5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qc0b570a9a3b6f25c9c1c","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":529,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-03T14:18:14.168Z","text":"本质就是循环论证，用共谋证明共谋。用g系列属于郭来证明g系列属于郭。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc0b570a9a3b6f25c9c1c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q1933293ea35593df81a2","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":530,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-05-03T14:18:27.666Z","text":"怎么破？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1933293ea35593df81a2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qcdaa57d98e097d8ff187","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":531,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T14:18:52.887Z","text":"这一点是最恶心的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1c0f6370d915b64e1cf5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcdaa57d98e097d8ff187","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1c0f6370d915b64e1cf5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q298eb632e2ab165d423b","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":532,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-03T14:19:24.605Z","text":"这个只能自己理解多少，能把司法路径讲清楚多少，来决定你的攻击力。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q298eb632e2ab165d423b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q9c67f239ea47ee7b3b18","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":533,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T14:20:14.715Z","text":"我觉得他们搞的这个也不算有问题 起诉书里面写了rico 然后谁让你庭审律师[屏蔽词] 被定罪了 自己活该","edited":true,"reply_to":"q1c0f6370d915b64e1cf5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9c67f239ea47ee7b3b18","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1c0f6370d915b64e1cf5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qd193dc4af7e15d9675c8","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":534,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T14:21:06.452Z","text":"庭审就是你拆炸弹的地方","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd193dc4af7e15d9675c8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q52b245ace931e7381371","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":535,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T14:21:50.124Z","text":"reasonable doubt","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q52b245ace931e7381371","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q66b602f7b22b10c7f29c","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":536,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-05-03T14:22:29.967Z","text":"G系列投资人，你们有行动保护自己的财产吗？经过案件讨论群的讨论，发现检方从案件一开始就做了财产减免（打折的；经过种种扣押，最后可能能拿到原款40%？）的打算，根本就没想给投资人返款。那1百多人做了853N 自诉的（不接受政府财产减免；认为自己是无辜的要求全额返还）， 以及10个上了二巡的/其中5个在量刑前几天申请停止量刑的，都在美国司法案例中创造了历史（史无前例）。没听说这些人是有法律专业背景的，他们能够在二巡立案（强制令/其门槛非常高），说明纽约南区法院这个案子烂透了，二巡不得不正视这些问题。 \n好在现在有AI （Gemini), AI 可以帮助您分析、写法律文件，让普通人有机会参与这个史无前例的几千亿美元的案件。 作为普通投资人，您该如何参与？ \n1） 自己读法律文件 - 法律文件可以在这里看到：https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67012324/united-states-v-guo/?filed_after=&filed_before=&entry_gte=&entry_lte=&order_by=desc\n\n2） 如果不懂英文， 用DeepL Translate: The world's most accurate translator 翻译\n\n3） 读检方文件833 及833里的附件 - 有没有看到与自己相关的？833 文件的表述是不是事实？ 如果不是，把它写出来， 让Gemini 用法律语言从新写，写后发给南区法院，抄送检方/辩方。如果南区不上传，去二巡。\n\n每个人把自己亲身经历的被骗过程仔仔细细原原本本的写成动议，附上证据，要求南区法院调查相关人等。如果南区不入卷，催促它3遍，10个工作日后，南区还不理，就上二巡强制令要求南区调查。写的不要太复杂，找一个最容易突破的点，例如“凤凰借款的钱在哪里啊？你政府调查了吗？”\n\n4） 目前有诸多问题需要答案：\n到底谁是受害人？受害金额多少？经过审查了吗？证人有没有做伪证？你个人的经历？为什么那些与政府签了不起诉协议的，他们手上的钱不被政府追？您的钱汇给了他们在他们手上，为什么说郭诈骗？\n\n5） Brady 违规、程序不正义等一些法律问题已经被二巡记录下来。在6/29前，法庭记录、事实、法律被还原事情真相后能否让南区法官检方意识到，这个案子必须撤消， 否则他们将成为美国司法的笑话？大多数投资者行动的时候，就是法官意识到这个案子没法判的时候。\n\n我们要的是还原事实真相。以上是个人观点，自己判断，不负法律责任。\n（大家顺便转发）","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q66b602f7b22b10c7f29c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q6919e01e251222eeb24d","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":537,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-03T14:22:53.632Z","text":"辩方[屏蔽词]rina 这是故意的吧？","edited":true,"reply_to":"qd193dc4af7e15d9675c8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6919e01e251222eeb24d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd193dc4af7e15d9675c8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qead0781bc8fa019ae504","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":538,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-05-03T14:22:58.874Z","text":"那个1万多人的大群已经把我限制发言了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qead0781bc8fa019ae504","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q737836eb7ac934d8484d","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":539,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-03T14:23:03.391Z","text":"配合检方演？演到定罪？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q737836eb7ac934d8484d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q2c7a1c5f8c6170bb5809","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":540,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-03T14:23:03.843Z","text":"肯定不能说这种定罪是合法的，因为你欺诈，你布雷迪违规，你应当把这些分享给被告你不分享。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9c67f239ea47ee7b3b18","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2c7a1c5f8c6170bb5809","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9c67f239ea47ee7b3b18","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qfa97ae1b8706c0d47fda","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":541,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T14:23:37.424Z","text":"就是演","edited":false,"reply_to":"q737836eb7ac934d8484d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfa97ae1b8706c0d47fda","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q737836eb7ac934d8484d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q590656235080c8ea4e5f","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":542,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T14:23:48.943Z","text":"对的 这个才是关键","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2c7a1c5f8c6170bb5809","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q590656235080c8ea4e5f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2c7a1c5f8c6170bb5809","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q254f31acb0f475ed541e","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":543,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T14:24:02.223Z","text":"所以我认为 这个案子rico是拆不掉的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q254f31acb0f475ed541e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q31623c2c9d8efb41ab83","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":544,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T14:24:07.750Z","text":"只能从根源上拆","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q31623c2c9d8efb41ab83","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q76a0a75f4271b740938e","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":545,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-05-03T14:24:12.422Z","text":"问题是辩方不提Brady 违规/检方欺诈","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q76a0a75f4271b740938e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qd3fb5950ba2cf2e0946b","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":546,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T14:24:20.206Z","text":"那就逼他们提","edited":false,"reply_to":"q76a0a75f4271b740938e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd3fb5950ba2cf2e0946b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q76a0a75f4271b740938e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qbdfa0ec3885085c51a78","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":547,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T14:24:42.512Z","text":"［用户 beg***］ 对了 你的stay政府没反对吗","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbdfa0ec3885085c51a78","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q48346799028595f94b69","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":548,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-05-03T14:24:43.851Z","text":"能在6/29前拆？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q31623c2c9d8efb41ab83","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q48346799028595f94b69","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q31623c2c9d8efb41ab83","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q6979f7c9086d1004a3ab","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":549,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T14:24:48.535Z","text":"是的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q48346799028595f94b69","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6979f7c9086d1004a3ab","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q48346799028595f94b69","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qbcba92db8aff532f8a30","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":550,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-05-03T14:25:04.606Z","text":"我没看呢","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbdfa0ec3885085c51a78","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbcba92db8aff532f8a30","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbdfa0ec3885085c51a78","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q4e9c51a122f8f82fe698","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":551,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-05-03T14:26:01.777Z","text":"我肯定会出一个法庭二巡文件，现在有大概思路，肯定不会饶了检方","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4e9c51a122f8f82fe698","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q4c6c154346a794c41fce","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":552,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-05-03T14:27:33.031Z","text":"我想把检方“受害人”叙事掰扯掰扯， 把检方郭“支持者”不是受害人叙事掰扯掰扯","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4c6c154346a794c41fce","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qb0cb6819c805c8685c1a","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":553,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T14:27:53.179Z","text":"这个你可以看下周螺丝哥的文件","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4c6c154346a794c41fce","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb0cb6819c805c8685c1a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4c6c154346a794c41fce","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q46a9e76b0a944e81e0bf","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":554,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T14:28:04.619Z","text":"螺丝哥把这个理论直接打穿了 🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4c6c154346a794c41fce","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q46a9e76b0a944e81e0bf","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4c6c154346a794c41fce","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q927fc7b3bdc044787d9e","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":555,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T14:28:21.274Z","text":"检方屎都被打出来了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q927fc7b3bdc044787d9e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q5930355f41a2c782cf42","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":556,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-03T15:37:27.128Z","text":"设计控制的一分钱不落自己口袋，他是疯了吗？损人而不利已","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbccc65ac6e2b8790b92f","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5930355f41a2c782cf42","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qdbaf29e6c1261767dbbf","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":557,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T15:38:54.822Z","text":"他的终极目的就是把所有人拉上法庭","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5930355f41a2c782cf42","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdbaf29e6c1261767dbbf","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5930355f41a2c782cf42","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q498481b94c0d80e41a95","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":558,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-03T18:37:11.735Z","text":"螺丝哥的文件已经提交了吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb0cb6819c805c8685c1a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q498481b94c0d80e41a95","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb0cb6819c805c8685c1a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qbd48cb7d04c0bb3ae8c3","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":559,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-03T18:37:32.107Z","text":"［用户 chu***］ 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这里用的是 王alter ego G集团，而不是rico \nG集团涉案金额，都算在王 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有2层意思？所有G系列公司是郭的alter ego ？所有高层的人也是郭的alter ego ？人和公司都可以叫alter ego ？王也没认alter ego G系列公司吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeb37e2ba399f40082f51","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q8965f08e2bc35810e90f","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":596,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-04T00:12:13.769Z","text":"所以王到底alter ego G系列公司还是alter ego 郭？无论是哪样，王没有认检方也没有证明过","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8965f08e2bc35810e90f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q923092e16e3456ad32b6","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":597,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-04T00:14:14.824Z","text":"某个公司是某个人的替代自我的意思，那个公司里的钱就是个人的钱。跟控制公司不同，控制公司通常只是控制公司的运营管理，比如可以决定公司现金用于购买claude 还是gpt的股票，但不能说公司里的钱可以买东西来给自己或家人用。当公司里的钱可以被个人用在非公司业务上随便挥霍，就达到了替代自我的标准。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q923092e16e3456ad32b6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qe9d1c9f18bb67bda6dda","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":598,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-04T00:19:06.805Z","text":"那王alter ego G集团就不成立，不然G 集团不成了王的了？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe9d1c9f18bb67bda6dda","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"qa77699c123823790650a","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":599,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-04T00:21:52.623Z","text":"三位一体 郭老大，王余左右手","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe9d1c9f18bb67bda6dda","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa77699c123823790650a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe9d1c9f18bb67bda6dda","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"},{"id":"q4a29e233969faaa76abf","batch_id":"batch-000108","seq":600,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-04T00:22:16.604Z","text":"一个人罪成 都可以没收","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4a29e233969faaa76abf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000108"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000107","next_batch_id":"batch-000109"}