{"id":"batch-000112","number":112,"revision":1,"date_start":"2026-05-16T22:19:18.926Z","date_end":"2026-05-21T11:36:26.298Z","total_messages":1000,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 112 (May 16, 2026 – May 21, 2026), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Participants debated whether post-sentencing proceedings could reopen the case, disputing Second Circuit appellate avenues, mandamus petitions, motions for leave, and the docketing of supplemental filings such as ECF 849. Disagreements intensified over victim standing under the CVRA, Section 853(n), and restitution representation. 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螺丝哥量刑后到底能不能去","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q94c6e34021147825a34a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qb1763c2b0e4f43a4bd33","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":2,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-16T22:31:24.430Z","text":"二巡强制令","edited":false,"reply_to":"q009703414d35a530a128","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb1763c2b0e4f43a4bd33","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q94b480548633e5dc2a4d","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":3,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-16T22:31:30.862Z","text":"量刑后实质renew","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q94b480548633e5dc2a4d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q6028b2dc8e37b823a753","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":4,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-05-16T22:33:07.513Z","text":"目前为止，还没有出现在第二巡回法庭的投资者受害者，可以努力，上二巡。砸锅或者挺锅都可以。南区不让你说话，你就可以去申请强制令!利用美国法律给你的权利，表达你的诉求。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6028b2dc8e37b823a753","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qd6cac111b490e8673d23","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":5,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-16T22:34:34.455Z","text":"我怀疑这一次可能会有很多人私下也采取行动","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6028b2dc8e37b823a753","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd6cac111b490e8673d23","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6028b2dc8e37b823a753","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qe6cd2ddba377125d9d75","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":6,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-16T22:36:28.350Z","text":"可以啊，二巡这么说的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q94b480548633e5dc2a4d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe6cd2ddba377125d9d75","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q94b480548633e5dc2a4d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q7f0dcac7454ace8a2cbb","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":7,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-05-16T22:36:31.436Z","text":"你想搞死郭文贵，如果你认为检方不能够让你解气，你可以自诉去帮老郭牢底坐穿挫骨扬灰！如果你认为郭文贵刑事案件有问题，你也可以自诉，利用CVRA给你的权利，表达不同意见!总之，无论你有任何目的，你都可以去法庭上说话！南区不让你说，你就去第二巡回法院说!","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7f0dcac7454ace8a2cbb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q28d1acdceccb381b0a4b","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":8,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-16T22:36:45.253Z","text":"量刑后，地区法院还是要入卷","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q28d1acdceccb381b0a4b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q1e0c225458f33ff4787c","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":9,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-16T22:37:05.036Z","text":"量刑不等于你的动议就消失了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1e0c225458f33ff4787c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qd9aad050d9759d69fca6","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":10,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-16T22:37:25.595Z","text":"只不过量刑之后，程序问题就生米煮成熟饭了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd9aad050d9759d69fca6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q4107b49e1cd5d9c8693d","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":11,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-16T22:37:42.949Z","text":"他量刑没有考虑你的动议，案卷不完整","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4107b49e1cd5d9c8693d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qf7ae55ccde17ce7e56e0","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":12,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-05-16T22:38:39.592Z","text":"一个正常刑事案件，第三方或者受害者，根本就不需要介入案件去表达意见!案件是正常的，检方就完全能够代表受害者!郭文贵这个案子，投资者受害者几乎没有几个人相信检方！就没有几个人去检方受害者登记程序正式登记！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf7ae55ccde17ce7e56e0","reply_url":null,"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也不相信律师","edited":false,"reply_to":"qaa362e410153ebc8ef06","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qedd60426e2c63a064fa5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaa362e410153ebc8ef06","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q73ddd43017ed93dd9dd7","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":17,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-16T22:41:32.693Z","text":"律师和受害者本来就是对立的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q73ddd43017ed93dd9dd7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q2e1f5509381d020e72dc","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":18,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-16T22:41:54.168Z","text":"受害者找辩方，就是神经病，辩方也不应该接受","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2e1f5509381d020e72dc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qb17a8d66faa9a7442fab","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":19,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-16T22:42:29.473Z","text":"这就是螺丝哥说的身份错位","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2e1f5509381d020e72dc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb17a8d66faa9a7442fab","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2e1f5509381d020e72dc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qc974a4e1ceb39b0e1ade","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":20,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-16T22:42:38.519Z","text":"辩方已经代表了一千多名受害者","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc974a4e1ceb39b0e1ade","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q5350e54c8eba2340cfd1","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":21,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-16T22:42:55.773Z","text":"检方那里才多少受害者","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5350e54c8eba2340cfd1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qb03c968cd99c395fdd66","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":22,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-16T22:43:23.092Z","text":"所以 这是啥 受害者内战？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb03c968cd99c395fdd66","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qfc3c74c509b38684c05f","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":23,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-16T22:43:26.540Z","text":"谁告谁？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfc3c74c509b38684c05f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q8e6ee245c295756b9ea5","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":24,"speaker":"lui***","date":"2026-05-16T22:43:37.983Z","text":"美國司法部被共匪滲透太深了，整個案件找不出願意自己承認的受害者，而是聯盟luc 檢方造假受害者","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8e6ee245c295756b9ea5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q045493208df64fab0f94","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":25,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-16T22:44:00.430Z","text":"找得出 现在至少有五个受害者","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8e6ee245c295756b9ea5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q045493208df64fab0f94","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8e6ee245c295756b9ea5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q4d6c415876379f2db0f9","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":26,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-16T22:44:07.535Z","text":"就是二巡stay的那五个","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4d6c415876379f2db0f9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q0aa1494be52e8d98d4f0","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":27,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-16T22:44:21.319Z","text":"但检方居然说： 你们[屏蔽词]不是受害者 是郭支持者","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0aa1494be52e8d98d4f0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q552920818757300842dc","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":28,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-05-16T22:44:53.321Z","text":"肯定有受害者，但是，数量非常少而已。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8e6ee245c295756b9ea5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q552920818757300842dc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8e6ee245c295756b9ea5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q3238fcf4e7a72604dc2f","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":29,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-16T22:45:20.594Z","text":"很多受害者是从欺诈的途径登记的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q552920818757300842dc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3238fcf4e7a72604dc2f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q552920818757300842dc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q35c338c96cc75cf2ca81","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":30,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-16T22:45:25.312Z","text":"比如阿哲 v先生","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q35c338c96cc75cf2ca81","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q78cd8b6a42dab6804872","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":31,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-16T22:45:30.554Z","text":"和联盟","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q78cd8b6a42dab6804872","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q37ad33201470b2b81b39","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":32,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-05-16T22:45:53.228Z","text":"郭文贵换律师听证会，检方说，门口有七个文件箱子，你去找一下那一段。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8e6ee245c295756b9ea5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q37ad33201470b2b81b39","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8e6ee245c295756b9ea5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q1986fb79c0f4d60a5bde","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":33,"speaker":"lui***","date":"2026-05-16T22:46:26.409Z","text":"只要是目的是政治目的滅共的就不會承認是郭先生的受害者，而是司法部美國政府錯判案件的受害者！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1986fb79c0f4d60a5bde","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q4bc30aed826c8d976c47","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":34,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-16T22:47:10.799Z","text":"哈哈 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越能打爆法庭","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa9fe44d9d79291321f1f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qaa97a01d0d9f6c779a70","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":46,"speaker":"lui***","date":"2026-05-16T23:00:56.935Z","text":"大咖能派專業人士來幫忙","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaa97a01d0d9f6c779a70","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qa92030847995075404a3","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":47,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-16T23:01:24.029Z","text":"你还没看明白？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa92030847995075404a3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q5fd770862535f9a5a3ae","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":48,"speaker":"mrz***","date":"2026-05-16T23:02:07.592Z","text":"因為郭文貴這個事，對投資者造成影響，感到自己被騙，一定有的；\n至少因為郭文貴這個事，資金凍結那麼久，當初2020-2023年所有的話和承諾都沒兌現，會產生很多問題。\n\n郭文貴的案子有沒有問題，一定有很大問題，這案子從立案、加碼RICO調查、資產扣押都不正常。\n\n郭文貴牛不牛，牛；這個案子搞了這麼久，依舊還有幾千號投資人支持他。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5fd770862535f9a5a3ae","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q4738e4908978c3372bc7","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":49,"speaker":"lui***","date":"2026-05-16T23:02:40.690Z","text":"這次川總中國之行，各種牆頭草或者對立面估計都會重新調整方向","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4738e4908978c3372bc7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q66fb2f81220d4bc1bcd9","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":50,"speaker":"lui***","date":"2026-05-16T23:03:39.945Z","text":"阻力會變成助力","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q66fb2f81220d4bc1bcd9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qa928a96ba34ad8d3c6d8","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":51,"speaker":"lui***","date":"2026-05-16T23:04:18.161Z","text":"美國的陰性能量跟中國的不一樣","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa928a96ba34ad8d3c6d8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q1e3394e5115b40b76994","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":52,"speaker":"lui***","date":"2026-05-16T23:06:21.853Z","text":"幾千你是如何統計的？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5fd770862535f9a5a3ae","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1e3394e5115b40b76994","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5fd770862535f9a5a3ae","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q8eb1ec9db2afb937ec92","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":53,"speaker":"lui***","date":"2026-05-16T23:06:35.510Z","text":"不止吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8eb1ec9db2afb937ec92","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qf7d24756fb6a87716e1f","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":54,"speaker":"lui***","date":"2026-05-16T23:08:38.668Z","text":"不過我們遞真相和材料不能斷，否則也沒有抓手啊，砸郭的手頭有更多資料估計會爭先恐後遞吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf7d24756fb6a87716e1f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q63d2038a29f2f6ceeb7d","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":55,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-16T23:09:15.361Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息]","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q63d2038a29f2f6ceeb7d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qf276a5c3a57c6ac4b919","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":56,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-16T23:10:08.029Z","text":"[删节：成员身份] 你们谁知道这个案件号","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf276a5c3a57c6ac4b919","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q3f23645576082b0b474f","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":57,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-16T23:10:12.845Z","text":"到时候报给二巡","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3f23645576082b0b474f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qf63c7d73c7ad55be6819","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":58,"speaker":"mrz***","date":"2026-05-16T23:11:35.734Z","text":"關注這個案子的人會很多，總共投資的就幾千人。幾年過去了，幾千號投資人中的大多數依舊支持他。\n被聯盟農場誤導、欺騙的，有沒有，也一定有。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf63c7d73c7ad55be6819","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qea346ff9693066b84439","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":59,"speaker":"lui***","date":"2026-05-16T23:58:15.895Z","text":"於AI無關，是在想這個案件的不同角度","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea346ff9693066b84439","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q507cceb7a6da530fea7f","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":60,"speaker":"lui***","date":"2026-05-16T23:59:24.345Z","text":"這麼大的案件就一個方向豈不是奇怪","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q507cceb7a6da530fea7f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qa0c93a1d36987d69731c","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":61,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-05-17T00:00:22.423Z","text":"你装什么，你就是觉得没有读过专业法律的人用AI也是不如学法律专业的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qea346ff9693066b84439","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa0c93a1d36987d69731c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea346ff9693066b84439","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q6d1a1a21c1cc6234b218","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":62,"speaker":"lui***","date":"2026-05-17T00:00:47.451Z","text":"AI幫助了我太多，我感恩這些特別AI背後的高人老師讓我受益匪淺","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6d1a1a21c1cc6234b218","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q26c956299bcba6fae2af","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":63,"speaker":"lui***","date":"2026-05-17T00:02:52.130Z","text":"你們的能力讓我佩服的五體投地！我以前一看案件文字就頭暈腦脹，現在AI解決了這麼大的問題！而且你們還打出來這麼精彩的投籃","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa0c93a1d36987d69731c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q26c956299bcba6fae2af","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa0c93a1d36987d69731c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q92f26fd86153f907b453","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":64,"speaker":"lui***","date":"2026-05-17T00:12:21.418Z","text":"在你們的帶動下AI都有了反抗惡霸的精神","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q92f26fd86153f907b453","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q45b25957a6c268dbcd49","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":65,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-17T00:12:42.581Z","text":"ai不可能有精神的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q92f26fd86153f907b453","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q45b25957a6c268dbcd49","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q92f26fd86153f907b453","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q21abd94f5d5d1b79c938","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":66,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-05-17T00:12:54.777Z","text":"禅宗顿悟的就是人最简朴的底层逻辑，从底层逻辑利用AI专业的知识出发就可以把全是违反底层逻辑的专业包装操弄打败，喊什么专业专家","edited":false,"reply_to":"q26c956299bcba6fae2af","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q21abd94f5d5d1b79c938","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q26c956299bcba6fae2af","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qcf3a7e1d8b58fc20008e","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":67,"speaker":"lui***","date":"2026-05-17T01:13:03.056Z","text":"請問這個成果已經打出來了，我們還能不能幫上忙？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q21abd94f5d5d1b79c938","reply_status":"available",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他们可以说自己被骗了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q247c5417e130990380ab","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf5299ba8560f1f818106","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q247c5417e130990380ab","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qb3739fc37a27718511f8","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":77,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-17T02:12:10.645Z","text":"https://x.com/ruienxiaoge777/status/2055832915918119348?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb3739fc37a27718511f8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qd53492838cd1da19145d","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":78,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-17T02:12:26.566Z","text":"和鸟 木兰坑郭一个套路\n做污点证人 都是青亲自指挥亲自部署","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf5299ba8560f1f818106","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd53492838cd1da19145d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf5299ba8560f1f818106","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qe595cc3f76b863b00603","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":79,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-17T03:12:32.022Z","text":"［用户 joh***］ 浦律退群就是因为我向她发起合作邀请","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe595cc3f76b863b00603","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qc47f4524a15d9e5a26f9","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":80,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-17T03:15:28.375Z","text":"二巡的意思是他之前提交的补充动议二巡收到了，已经看过了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q99512a7c6463034c9091","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc47f4524a15d9e5a26f9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q99512a7c6463034c9091","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q71031db558fcd56620c0","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":81,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-17T03:20:32.396Z","text":"她怕被背后老板猜忌 砸自己饭碗","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe595cc3f76b863b00603","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q71031db558fcd56620c0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe595cc3f76b863b00603","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q3a67a102c81b66eb2e5f","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":82,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-05-17T03:49:47.026Z","text":"有位战友有个问题，629 Torres 会不会说，上万个投资人， 只有5个在二巡，只有少数对陪审团的verdict 有异议， 基于这个原因， 基于法律案例详细信息，我还是要判刑 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不用什么大料","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qae64f8aaec89506672f5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q0c5a60d816a8ddf43479","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":111,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-17T04:22:20.525Z","text":"用对程序的理解和节奏控制","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0c5a60d816a8ddf43479","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q74a96601045d950a5db6","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":112,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-17T04:22:24.746Z","text":"就能把所有人打爆","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q74a96601045d950a5db6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q047ee6404b273dfe4d01","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":113,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-17T04:31:52.727Z","text":"［用户 ton***］  先打量刑 把量刑打崩","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q047ee6404b273dfe4d01","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qe5031192990ac79d4803","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":114,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-17T04:32:11.669Z","text":"［用户 ton***］  打到量刑无法实现的时候 自然就会往回走","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe5031192990ac79d4803","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qd2d1af9f280ace490685","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":115,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-17T04:32:35.253Z","text":"打崩量刑后 美国司法会有一个惯性 就是修量刑","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd2d1af9f280ace490685","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q9162afe54c6fb356e446","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":116,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-17T04:32:57.893Z","text":"但郭案你根本修不了 你要修 你就会发现受害者全他妈假的 都是共谋犯组织的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9162afe54c6fb356e446","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q4357d8057d015352bfda","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":117,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-17T04:33:05.113Z","text":"要么就是把检方打崩的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4357d8057d015352bfda","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q7e09b582c47f4f44bbeb","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":118,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-17T04:33:22.676Z","text":"当修不了之后 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青 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文件最多。 cipa 最持久。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb0b7d8f92b2361f5cfae","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qe599c07dbf47457fee94","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":144,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-17T05:30:25.034Z","text":"里面的内容，其实不看也猜得到\n郭坚持这个，也可能是给其他争取时间","edited":false,"reply_to":"q785370586bef134b0e9a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe599c07dbf47457fee94","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q785370586bef134b0e9a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qe751bc3ebe2108da879d","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":145,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-17T05:31:32.133Z","text":"从禅宗思路出发cipa打到现在","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe599c07dbf47457fee94","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe751bc3ebe2108da879d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe599c07dbf47457fee94","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qd6830e77af7b834ad6fe","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":146,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-17T05:31:47.662Z","text":"是一个极佳的诱饵","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd6830e77af7b834ad6fe","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q8316ef215c31e85d5a74","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":147,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-17T05:31:52.567Z","text":"cipa不用炸开","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8316ef215c31e85d5a74","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qcc00917de1850e2b503f","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":148,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-17T05:31:59.974Z","text":"等第三方把他们打崩了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcc00917de1850e2b503f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q84dedc0948aae1603742","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":149,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-17T05:32:04.885Z","text":"cipa自己就开了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q84dedc0948aae1603742","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q3b8ba6db651cb9d3e166","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":150,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-17T05:32:10.270Z","text":"CIPA是明面上郭的牌","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3b8ba6db651cb9d3e166","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qfccb36f26e8d8e751e3e","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":151,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-17T05:32:38.027Z","text":"第三方是不稳定因素\n青，伪类们，羊帮，越是不理自诉，说明这个牌越有价值","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfccb36f26e8d8e751e3e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qf01a7d4251e6bc807942","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":152,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-05-17T05:33:25.430Z","text":"王燕平。也是一个局。CIPA。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf01a7d4251e6bc807942","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q82959b00d07183d93e9c","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":153,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-05-17T05:33:37.255Z","text":"猜的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q82959b00d07183d93e9c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qc21f39c7ecb1df41553a","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":154,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-05-17T05:33:42.150Z","text":"复盘整个案件 从统计来看。文贵一直寄希望于cipa","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc21f39c7ecb1df41553a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q918f8306a1fa4dba267c","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":155,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-17T05:33:49.467Z","text":"假的 故意给检方看","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc21f39c7ecb1df41553a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q918f8306a1fa4dba267c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc21f39c7ecb1df41553a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q15b965b83aa1821263b1","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":156,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-17T05:34:24.142Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息]  我也觉得有可能就是cipa炸死王艳萍","edited":true,"reply_to":"qc21f39c7ecb1df41553a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q15b965b83aa1821263b1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc21f39c7ecb1df41553a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qe464f758048389897b6a","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":157,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-05-17T05:35:05.355Z","text":"哦 又是文贵钓鱼","edited":false,"reply_to":"q918f8306a1fa4dba267c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe464f758048389897b6a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q918f8306a1fa4dba267c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qebc4e797a5e3124b5408","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":158,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-17T05:35:30.221Z","text":"一个星期不骂王艳萍 王艳萍就以为做错事了😂","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5cd0b15f86f8b2b2b417","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qebc4e797a5e3124b5408","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q1e1d489218975ad4c304","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":159,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-05-17T05:35:48.660Z","text":"这是哪天庭审 /法庭文件里的？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5cd0b15f86f8b2b2b417","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1e1d489218975ad4c304","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qe882c001a11d8473b712","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":160,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-17T05:35:49.196Z","text":"越拦着CIPA，说明越有问题，检方托雷斯肯定会下力气，赌死这个口子","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe464f758048389897b6a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe882c001a11d8473b712","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe464f758048389897b6a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qf9e721a6eef4e2475709","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":161,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-17T05:36:01.908Z","text":"但是现场人听到的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf9e721a6eef4e2475709","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q824087e7300cc4ebc972","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":162,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-17T05:36:13.539Z","text":"cipa应该是确有其事","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe882c001a11d8473b712","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q824087e7300cc4ebc972","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe882c001a11d8473b712","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q747885614eb0b104d6ef","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":163,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-17T05:36:24.149Z","text":"但现在看来 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是我们","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f8c2bab99ffd1d414b3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qe836d0ca8f1238f9df51","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":165,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-17T05:36:50.274Z","text":"是这意思\nCIPA是明面的王炸","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5f8c2bab99ffd1d414b3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe836d0ca8f1238f9df51","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f8c2bab99ffd1d414b3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qe66a561bcc108768e51b","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":166,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-17T05:37:19.459Z","text":"托雷斯以为把老郭所有牌都废了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe66a561bcc108768e51b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qa70f3a3b7385adb46301","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":167,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-17T05:37:32.130Z","text":"谁都没想到出了我们这群疯子","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa70f3a3b7385adb46301","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qd220df7a8f171075d2e4","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":168,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-17T05:37:47.498Z","text":"而且我们不是要帮老郭","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd220df7a8f171075d2e4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qe0724451b95de9834c7e","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":169,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-17T05:38:47.935Z","text":"钓不钓不知道，但是第三方能在庭上折腾这么久，郭又不傻\n他坚持CIPA，也是给这边减压","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe464f758048389897b6a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe0724451b95de9834c7e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe464f758048389897b6a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qdab0c9e471a076c6fb88","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":170,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-05-17T05:39:17.888Z","text":"文贵先生能看到这些第三方法庭文件吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdab0c9e471a076c6fb88","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q286c8f1ac515f5b1b695","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":171,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-05-17T05:41:19.851Z","text":"给哪边减压","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe0724451b95de9834c7e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q286c8f1ac515f5b1b695","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe0724451b95de9834c7e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qad2933fd54ed245e665c","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":172,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-17T05:42:38.401Z","text":"自诉的，把检方注意力转移到CIPA","edited":false,"reply_to":"q286c8f1ac515f5b1b695","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qad2933fd54ed245e665c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q286c8f1ac515f5b1b695","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q1c473a3a40dd2e122285","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":173,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-17T05:43:20.395Z","text":"目前看，案子不一定非要撬开CIPA","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1c473a3a40dd2e122285","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q0db5e4072534d849842b","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":174,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-05-17T05:43:29.498Z","text":"给自诉减压，他能mdc能看到这些第三方文件吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"qad2933fd54ed245e665c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0db5e4072534d849842b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qad2933fd54ed245e665c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q6a732c200cd839174299","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":175,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-17T05:44:26.616Z","text":"说了，不用看内容\n看检方托雷斯的动向，郭就知道自诉的效果","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0db5e4072534d849842b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubei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attorney visit / legal call，或者通过 legal mail（特权邮件，在犯人面前拆封）寄进去\n在 Guo 案里，他有完整 CJA / 私人律师团，所有 ECF 通知律师都收得到 — 关键是律师愿不愿意把第三方 pro se 853(n) petition 打印给他看\n这是制度上唯一稳定的通道","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q65a98c0226be9c79417e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q62283e7a81e83aaa07dc","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":179,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-05-17T05:49:28.681Z","text":"文贵先生  进去前就预判了 有自诉发生 这一切都是计划内 ，然后进去后通过检方托雷斯动向，判断自诉效果。 这个逻辑？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6a732c200cd839174299","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q62283e7a81e83aaa07dc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6a732c200cd839174299","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qb6d23a31537378e2434f","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":180,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-17T05:50:31.978Z","text":"不是 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如何知道 自诉已经来了 ？而且同时还是做到， 来后之后还能通过观察检方托雷斯动向 来评估自诉效果。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q604fcb7d223fc3d19e9b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q8d2d2339e36efe6ab473","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":185,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-05-17T05:58:30.938Z","text":"真的郭美能够去探视的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8d2d2339e36efe6ab473","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q938d616bb048508100ac","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":186,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-17T05:58:49.827Z","text":"他只知道肯定有人帮他说话 但肯定没想到是这么惨烈","edited":false,"reply_to":"q604fcb7d223fc3d19e9b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q938d616bb048508100ac","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q604fcb7d223fc3d19e9b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qc3e3972af38e418109ca","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":187,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-05-17T05:58:57.140Z","text":"郭美 律师 会跟她说pro se的事情？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc3e3972af38e418109ca","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qcfeae060ac27e7417019","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":188,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-05-17T05:59:10.033Z","text":"概率几乎为0","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcfeae060ac27e7417019","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qd813c3000da12dd26059","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":189,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-05-17T06:00:20.550Z","text":"进去前 推演到 pro se这一步   有可能吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"q938d616bb048508100ac","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd813c3000da12dd26059","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q938d616bb048508100ac","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qad69e4b1efefc18cd6ec","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":190,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-17T06:00:31.467Z","text":"他可以知道，事情有变数\n又不是检方，辩方的功劳\n只能是一股新力量","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc3e3972af38e418109ca","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qad69e4b1efefc18cd6ec","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc3e3972af38e418109ca","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q0e639de8f7df9664f61a","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":191,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-17T06:00:49.488Z","text":"不用推演 变数可能是内部，可能是外部\n他赌的是一万人，不可能全是法盲，全被忽悠","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd813c3000da12dd26059","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0e639de8f7df9664f61a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd813c3000da12dd26059","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q130a7c5e108d7dc702e5","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":192,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-05-17T06:02:08.035Z","text":"所以有外力来 改变了  就是等到了 pro se？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0e639de8f7df9664f61a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q130a7c5e108d7dc702e5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0e639de8f7df9664f61a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q34a2ea5c64cbf59128b3","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":193,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-17T06:02:28.791Z","text":"[删节：成员身份]上去，就是变数\n慢慢发酵到今天 才是质变","edited":true,"reply_to":"q130a7c5e108d7dc702e5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q34a2ea5c64cbf59128b3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q130a7c5e108d7dc702e5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qadab171f1d9bd35ba3e5","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":194,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-17T06:02:43.778Z","text":"可能性很低","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd813c3000da12dd26059","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qadab171f1d9bd35ba3e5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd813c3000da12dd26059","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q9a1a0dcf0947d405514f","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":195,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-17T06:03:14.139Z","text":"能推演到肯定会出现变数","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9a1a0dcf0947d405514f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qf3ed7ae22c126e8ba86b","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":196,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-17T06:03:28.216Z","text":"变数也可以是 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