{"id":"batch-000112","number":112,"revision":1,"date_start":"2026-05-16T22:19:18.926Z","date_end":"2026-05-21T11:36:26.298Z","total_messages":1000,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 112 (May 16, 2026 – May 21, 2026), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Discussion revolved around post-sentencing procedure, with participants contesting whether motions survive sentencing and arguing about filing order for supplemental materials. They also disputed who can represent victims or third parties versus prosecutors, whether transferred funds are investments or fraud proceeds, and whether disclosure issues under CIPA plus Brady/Giglio and RICO/conspiracy arguments can alter likely outcomes. The thread was repeatedly unsettled by trust conflicts, accusations, and competing standards over verifiable facts versus political inference. Community statements, not court findings.","guide_en":[{"title":"Post-sentencing procedural restart: whether motions are still valid and whether a second pass can still intervene","description":"Participants dispute whether sentencing ends available motions or leaves them alive for continued procedural relief in a second round, with competing views on how finality should be treated. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q94c6e34021147825a34a","q1e0c225458f33ff4787c","qd9aad050d9759d69fca6"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q94c6e34021147825a34a","summary_en":"A participant asks whether any post-sentencing path can still proceed after sentencing. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q1e0c225458f33ff4787c","summary_en":"Another participant contends that sentencing does not make a pending motion disappear. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qd9aad050d9759d69fca6","summary_en":"A further speaker says that after sentencing, procedural problems become fixed in a practical sense. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Second-round and injunction sequencing: supplemental filings, uploads, and refiling timing create disagreement","description":"Participants dispute the procedural timeline for injunction-related relief, especially when to file supplements versus when renewed applications are appropriate. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q99512a7c6463034c9091","q7ce46d38879ed2aa5188","qf63c7d73c7ad55be6819"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q99512a7c6463034c9091","summary_en":"A posting states that a supplemental filing supporting a compulsory-order motion was granted and that the court has considered those materials. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q7ce46d38879ed2aa5188","summary_en":"Another note points to an entry marked \"849,\" implying another docket or filing step linked to procedural movement. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf63c7d73c7ad55be6819","summary_en":"A participant adds that many people invested over years and still back the defendant, while acknowledging some may have been misled, affecting how party status is argued. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Third-party and victim role boundaries: who can participate and who should be represented by prosecution","description":"Participants dispute whether third parties should intervene at all, whether prosecution adequately represents victim interests, and whether distrust of prosecutors justifies separate motions. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qf7ae55ccde17ce7e56e0","q2e1f5509381d020e72dc","qaa362e410153ebc8ef06"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qf7ae55ccde17ce7e56e0","summary_en":"One speaker argues normal criminal matters should not require victim or third-party intervention, and says prosecutors can represent victims while claiming most investors did not formally register as victims. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q2e1f5509381d020e72dc","summary_en":"Another participant says it is irrational for victims to seek defense counsel and says counsel should not accept such outreach. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qaa362e410153ebc8ef06","summary_en":"A third participant says the case was moved by third parties because they do not trust prosecutors. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Victim roster and identity instability: five-person list versus broad supporter counts","description":"Participants dispute victim composition, alternating between a narrow five-person set and broader claims of many supporters, with identity framing treated as central evidence in credibility conflicts. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q4d6c415876379f2db0f9","q552920818757300842dc","q4bc30aed826c8d976c47"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q4d6c415876379f2db0f9","summary_en":"One user identifies a five-person group as the people tied to the second-round stay context. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q552920818757300842dc","summary_en":"Another asserts there are victims, but says the number is very small. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q4bc30aed826c8d976c47","summary_en":"A further participant mocks the idea that only five prosecution-accepted victims were involved, arguing those five were supporters rather than a representative victim base. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Trust split toward prosecution and judiciary: political framing and selective victim allegations","description":"Participants contend the case management is politically motivated, alleging selective victim designation, while others treat these claims as contested rhetoric rather than verified institutional findings. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q8e6ee245c295756b9ea5","q1986fb79c0f4d60a5bde","q966e45e91a4a3434d501"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q8e6ee245c295756b9ea5","summary_en":"One participant alleges deep governmental interference, saying there are no willing victims and implying prosecutors manufactured victims through allied networks. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q1986fb79c0f4d60a5bde","summary_en":"Another claims that if the goal is political suppression, participants will not accept being labeled as Guo’s victims and instead frame themselves as harmed by DOJ misclassification. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q966e45e91a4a3434d501","summary_en":"A further speaker reads this as evidence that prosecutors intentionally separated cooperators from non-cooperators. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"CIPA and disclosure track: whether classified materials include Brady/Giglio and impeachment material","description":"Participants argue that CIPA is the key dispute, with disagreement over whether suppressed or substituted classified materials are actually Brady/Giglio impeachment evidence rather than routine secrecy shielding. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q77da6b7020213f2860e0","qfd0620eecac61e76ff66","qb18e3065e2ca689ddb0e"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q77da6b7020213f2860e0","summary_en":"One participant says CIPA was wrongly decided and that removed or replaced classified materials may actually be Brady/Giglio impeachment evidence, making CIPA the serious issue. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qfd0620eecac61e76ff66","summary_en":"Another says unsubmitted materials are likely to include many Brady and Giglio impeachment items. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qb18e3065e2ca689ddb0e","summary_en":"A participant adds that if everything were disclosed, this would involve more than one \"Tony\" and would significantly strengthen a CIPA challenge. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Investment money or scam money: fund flow and account verification as a persistent dispute","description":"Participants dispute whether transferred funds are legitimate investments or fraudulent proceeds, with competing interpretations of testimony and return patterns shaping the victim and mens rea narrative. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q88553754317c041f4aba","q68e2958c892b0d5bbb8e","q8e61162146aa7e1f8f85"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q88553754317c041f4aba","summary_en":"One participant insists transferred funds were investment capital through the farm structure, citing gains and arguing the prosecution reframed them as fraud money to secure conviction. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q68e2958c892b0d5bbb8e","summary_en":"Another says possible victims could include Yu Jianming and other alleged co-conspirators. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q8e61162146aa7e1f8f85","summary_en":"A counterpoint says this victim argument alone cannot overturn a jury verdict because project participants reportedly testified to Guo’s motive to defraud. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"RICO and conspiracy scope: whether Guo is sole target and who bears responsibility","description":"Participants contest RICO framing by challenging why only Guo is portrayed as the target and by debating whether responsibility should extend to broader participants or scapegoats. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q42d921921dcbc60f15a0","q2556f7d93442fba7041c","qf4afe34a7ae6328e853e"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q42d921921dcbc60f15a0","summary_en":"One participant asks why RICO enforcement would only involve Guo. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q2556f7d93442fba7041c","summary_en":"Another asks whether the reference to \"Gail 6000\" implies a broad win for other actors. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf4afe34a7ae6328e853e","summary_en":"A further message urges prosecutors to pursue a scapegoat, naming 'Niao Qing Luc.' Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Outcome expectations shift: reversal, deportation, and delay predictions moving together","description":"Participants dispute endgame timelines and outcomes, with predictions ranging from conviction and deportation to broad uncertainty about finality and process duration. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q9c01374882b74f9228de","qf73a84a1fa225037a0b2","qf485052040f622e4a118"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q9c01374882b74f9228de","summary_en":"One participant predicts conviction, immediate deportation without U.S. sentence service, and a likely return in July. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf73a84a1fa225037a0b2","summary_en":"Another repeats the expectation that sentencing will be followed by deportation. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf485052040f622e4a118","summary_en":"A later participant states bluntly that the process is finished. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Information credibility struggle: distinguishing verifiable evidence from speculation","description":"Participants contend over methodology, with one side rejecting unverifiable statements as unreliable while the other treats proof of intelligence involvement as necessary to reframe RICO links. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q0a337c1a14c1d24adbb5","q85befe4f4a9776b0862d"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q0a337c1a14c1d24adbb5","summary_en":"A participant says statements attributed to Guo cannot be cross-checked and should be treated as unreliable rhetoric. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q85befe4f4a9776b0862d","summary_en":"Another argues the key challenge is proving specific actors were intelligence operatives to break RICO ties, and questions whether fraud-only proof can be enough. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Group governance and speech boundaries: identity claims, muting, and targeting controversies","description":"Participants dispute moderation norms, including membership identity disclosure, kicking, and the legitimacy of targeting specific users, with these conflicts affecting trust in group process. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q9349ac2fcaa19629ebec","q8c465439b3adbf934c75","q7b22ede5411b3cb692d9"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q9349ac2fcaa19629ebec","summary_en":"One participant reports being kicked from the group. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q8c465439b3adbf934c75","summary_en":"Another post contains a redacted member-identity reference only. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q7b22ede5411b3cb692d9","summary_en":"A later comment mentions a business owner identified as [删节：成员身份], described as also belonging to the old group. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Lawyer status and pro se boundaries: licensed counsel self-representation and equal treatment","description":"Participants dispute whether a licensed attorney may proceed pro se, with arguments split between categorical bars and more permissive interpretations regardless of bar status. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qe1321509a5aee287b4ef","q351014b63257a38baa79","q286ceefa53613d123981"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qe1321509a5aee287b4ef","summary_en":"One speaker says lawyers cannot represent themselves pro se. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q351014b63257a38baa79","summary_en":"Another speaker claims pro se representation should be allowed. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q286ceefa53613d123981","summary_en":"A third participant argues that license status should not change the answer. Community statements, not court findings."}]}],"summary":"讨论的核心先围绕量刑后是否还能重新推动程序。群内对二巡路径、强制令、motion for 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hearning、17c 還沒有一條在當前狀態下反轉了戰局。他要真料事如神，他就應該料到法官會把他動議給否定，他的前律師不交文件的可能，也不至於四月準備好西裝等宣判了。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1a9c78f02b319e4bc58e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q0600d4f53ca0d920d814","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":204,"speaker":"mrz***","date":"2026-05-17T06:15:24.399Z","text":"郭文貴判斷2025年滅共，自己的案子拖到了2026年，就說明一定程度上超出他的預料。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0600d4f53ca0d920d814","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q0ff88be90c110ab52285","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":205,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-17T06:16:14.727Z","text":"［用户 ton***］ 对郭来说，他自己破局的最好也是唯一方式，是开CIPA，很可能有王的信息。王案是关键，破王案，就是救自己。\n对于其他的变数，他可能不知道具体，但是肯定存在，而且起了效果。他坚持CIPA，不就是在帮这个变数减压","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0ff88be90c110ab52285","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q104c526733fd04f4825f","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":206,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-17T06:25:21.725Z","text":"2020年就说要灭共了，他又不是神","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0600d4f53ca0d920d814","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q104c526733fd04f4825f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0600d4f53ca0d920d814","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qfdfef5dd2b4d362120ec","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":207,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-17T06:26:19.403Z","text":"那个律师现在是被谁封嘴了，大概率也是doj","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0ff88be90c110ab52285","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfdfef5dd2b4d362120ec","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0ff88be90c110ab52285","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q3b3fa89f3629e95f6773","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":208,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-17T06:27:55.893Z","text":"现在看这个视频，像不像郭被抓后，一群特务去庄园庆功，杀人诛心\nhttps://x.com/anxiaodong777/status/2055712223738188092?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3b3fa89f3629e95f6773","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q70fcf0321e849e2daefa","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":209,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-17T06:52:46.914Z","text":"老郭进去后它们哪天不是乐呵呵的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3b3fa89f3629e95f6773","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q70fcf0321e849e2daefa","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3b3fa89f3629e95f6773","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q4c5949790c171728f2c6","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":210,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-17T07:10:43.960Z","text":"这案子只要继续让瑞恩兴风作浪半年 就翻案了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0ba140ecddf98833d89a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4c5949790c171728f2c6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0ba140ecddf98833d89a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q6c2deec914a018a85065","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":211,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-05-17T07:44:33.853Z","text":"你的笔记哪里拣来的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6c2deec914a018a85065","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q055c5576d6e54ce4afbb","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":212,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-17T07:45:42.564Z","text":"螺丝哥的包里翻出来的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6c2deec914a018a85065","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q055c5576d6e54ce4afbb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6c2deec914a018a85065","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q62f1db74b3a1ca25d40e","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":213,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-17T07:46:05.435Z","text":"法庭文件就是我的笔记","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6c2deec914a018a85065","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q62f1db74b3a1ca25d40e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6c2deec914a018a85065","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q0a09da70b9bb13e1207c","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":214,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-17T07:46:32.059Z","text":"二巡批准和考虑了 26-563 的 dkt 25.1 和 dkt 26.1\n\n25.1 单独说了 司法程序奔溃 引用了：被告的 700-1，25-2726 ，提示律师无效辩护问题，连基本都没干的问题； 引用 700-1，733 提示 重要证人受托人不出庭问题；引用 26-361 提示司法主权冲突问题； 最后结论是：一审法院案卷不完整根本无法做出有效司法裁判。\n\n26.1 说了二巡啊，你可不能只要求南区docket啊，不给程序性处理咋上诉啊？你老人家考虑下？\n\n二巡 grant 并 considered 了这些内容。\n\n二巡拒绝了其主强制令，就是因为二巡现在把 南区 docket 和 给出程序性处置时间点写清楚了，于是主强制令被拒绝\n\n总之，二巡这一批 grant 和 considered 的非程序性动议就这两个，他们的意思也能揣摩出来，大致就是：“这案子可能有问题吧？但我们现在不会下结论，南区先自己解决”","edited":false,"reply_to":"q99512a7c6463034c9091","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0a09da70b9bb13e1207c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q99512a7c6463034c9091","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q7a973693ec3a5c73f14b","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":215,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-17T07:48:04.610Z","text":"这家伙聪明啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0a09da70b9bb13e1207c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7a973693ec3a5c73f14b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0a09da70b9bb13e1207c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q490f8d3140afcf934e10","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":216,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-17T07:48:17.268Z","text":"我都还不知道有这个方式","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0a09da70b9bb13e1207c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q490f8d3140afcf934e10","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0a09da70b9bb13e1207c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qc1b95016409d1340256e","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":217,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-17T07:49:56.993Z","text":"总之可以说 25-2726 733 26-361 700-1 二巡起码已经间接 considered 了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc1b95016409d1340256e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q58a7f59075c47c33367c","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":218,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-17T07:50:32.975Z","text":"这个家伙聪明","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q58a7f59075c47c33367c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qcdd5f338a54f237df578","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":219,"speaker":"lui***","date":"2026-05-17T07:58:02.968Z","text":"郭先生之前有沒有預測多長時間可以結束案件？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1a9c78f02b319e4bc58e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcdd5f338a54f237df578","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1a9c78f02b319e4bc58e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q712f7fbed14a7f72d711","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":220,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-17T08:08:53.279Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息]  哦 我明白了","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q712f7fbed14a7f72d711","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qbc193f4dc1daa2a12cdd","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":221,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-17T08:09:16.537Z","text":"我之前就说过 26-563 很懂上诉","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbc193f4dc1daa2a12cdd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q961414afeed7ca43d79e","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":222,"speaker":"mrz***","date":"2026-05-17T08:10:22.503Z","text":"郭文貴不是神，很多預測時間都不准。不需要裝神弄鬼","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q961414afeed7ca43d79e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q424d0eb55dc27ecd0445","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":223,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-05-17T08:20:53.888Z","text":"26-563是最新的？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q424d0eb55dc27ecd0445","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q5afe62850a7340a6955d","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":224,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-05-17T08:25:45.124Z","text":"“进入二巡视野”的胜利","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5afe62850a7340a6955d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q3e0e8380ce5da3024492","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":225,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-05-17T08:26:59.917Z","text":"二巡允许 DX 把补充材料放进二巡案卷，并且三法官小组在作出 2026年5月15日 tandem order 时已经看过、纳入考虑。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3e0e8380ce5da3024492","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q302e76f7924250c610a7","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":226,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-05-17T08:27:14.711Z","text":"谁赢跟谁，郭在监狱里，共产党内部是不会冒着跟老郭这个险的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q961414afeed7ca43d79e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q302e76f7924250c610a7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q961414afeed7ca43d79e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q07f54fa0354a2313cd45","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":227,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-05-17T08:27:40.654Z","text":"Zen、Tony、Doe、Sun、DX、Chyi 的 mandamus petitions 都被 DENIED，理由是没有证明缺乏其他救济途径、权利“clear and indisputable”、以及 Cheney 标准下适合发强制令。同时，关于一审是否应 docket / consider 这些提交，二巡是 without prejudice to renewal：如果一审在合理时间内不 docket，或 sentencing 后合理时间内不 consider，可以再来。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q07f54fa0354a2313cd45","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q2adabe25747c3d80581e","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":228,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-05-17T08:33:39.029Z","text":"关键在 without prejudice。二巡留下两个复申窗口：\n\n如果一审在合理时间内仍不 docket 这些提交，可以 renew；\n如果 sentencing 后合理时间内仍不 consider 这些提交，也可以 renew。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2adabe25747c3d80581e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q8f464ad60d7fa44cca79","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":229,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-05-17T08:34:33.484Z","text":"所以现在最重要的不是重复提交同一套论点，而是记录新事实：5月15日之后，一审是否 docket？是否给 docket number？sentencing 前后法官是否提及、处理、说明这些受害人提交？如果没有，这些才是下一轮 mandamus 的 ripeness 证据。\n\n同时要注意反向风险。因为二巡已经说 “we have considered”，以后再用完全相同材料重打，可能会被政府和法院说成 already considered。下一轮必须明确区分：现在主张的不是旧论点本身，而是 5月15日之后一审继续不 docket / 不 consider 所产生的新程序成熟问题。\n\n最后，三条通道不能混：\n\n§853(n) 讲的是具体财产权、在先权益或 BFP，二巡这句话对 BFP 资格没有直接加分；\nCVRA / mandamus 讲的是受害人程序权、被听取、被 docket、被 consider；\n郭自己的律师无效、Brady、证人未出庭问题，主要属于被告 direct appeal / Rule 33 / §2255 路径。\n\n一句话总结：\n5月15日 order 的意义是建立了一个可监控的程序时钟。DX 的材料已被二巡看到，但还没有被二巡采纳。下一步胜负不在于重复说“司法崩溃”，而在于证明一审在二巡提醒后仍然不 docket、不 consider。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8f464ad60d7fa44cca79","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q9d921a730c6ef41f70d6","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":230,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-05-17T08:39:46.699Z","text":"🔥 DX在26-563案里补了两份重磅补充材料（25.1 & 26.1），二巡已经批准考虑！\n这两份文件虽然是“补充提交”，但内容非常硬核，二巡明确grant并considered了：\n25.1 的核心杀伤力：\n•  直指一审法院案卷根本不完整，无法做出有效司法裁判；\n•  点出律师无效辩护（基本职责都没尽到）；\n•  重要证人（受托人）不出庭问题；\n•  中美司法主权冲突问题；\n•  整体结论：记录残缺到这个程度，根本没法公平判决。\n26.1 的点睛之笔： 提醒二巡：你们光要求南区“docket（入卷）”还不够，必须让南区给出正式的程序性处理意见，否则以后怎么上诉？怎么形成可审查的记录？\n二巡的态度很明确： 主强制令虽然被驳回，但专门批准考虑了这两份补充，并留了without prejudice的后门。\n相当于二巡在说：我们看到这个案子程序上确实有大问题，需要仔细看，但先让南区自己把记录补好、把该处理的处理清楚。\n一句话总结： 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Cup只有B","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc9bd84a32b80ebe96861","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q7074fd339317230ca5fe","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":241,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-05-17T13:19:25.558Z","text":"说阴阳话的功夫，还是得看虾头，老棒子🤣 \nhttps://x.com/xiatouj20547/status/2055945323030176213?s=46\n\n老江很毒的。\n看他能不能斗过郭文贵，虽然郭暂时处于弱势。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2db404a192670b7f558c","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7074fd339317230ca5fe","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q7d3bee3c4d0686fe6348","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":242,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-17T13:20:49.015Z","text":"所以才说砸郭的比挺郭的高尚万倍","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7074fd339317230ca5fe","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7d3bee3c4d0686fe6348","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7074fd339317230ca5fe","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q90b7966cb738820bcea3","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":243,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-17T14:17:11.251Z","text":"各位在二巡的如果想补充动议，可以和dx学一下，先发一个motion for leave to supplement，法官同意之后，然后再发补充动议， 这样更合规 [删节：成员身份]","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q90b7966cb738820bcea3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qfb36309296a8bd0c18b1","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":244,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-17T14:18:12.742Z","text":"虽然二巡驳回了强制令，在二巡的过一段时间以后还是可以发补充动议","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfb36309296a8bd0c18b1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q76d52ba9f9f4d96ab63f","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":245,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-17T14:18:39.358Z","text":"也可以让二巡重新考虑","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q76d52ba9f9f4d96ab63f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q826d3ede4e9170f407c9","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":246,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-17T14:28:27.496Z","text":"具体怎么办，自己查机器人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q826d3ede4e9170f407c9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qd20588dab92d1afb4915","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":247,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-17T14:45:38.865Z","text":"国会这才刚出手川普的案子，在有了调查报告之后https://x.com/7warroom/status/2055635708149133516?s=20","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd20588dab92d1afb4915","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qf001b70fb1202928398e","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":248,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-17T21:27:07.515Z","text":"［用户 him***］  dx这招太妙了","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf001b70fb1202928398e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q93d461236385fbfdf6d5","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":249,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-17T21:27:33.397Z","text":"直接发一个文件 说 motion for leave 考虑作为背景材料 然后把733发过去","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q93d461236385fbfdf6d5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q8b9d2072a074e9bdcba9","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":250,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-17T21:27:39.169Z","text":"二巡一般不会拒绝","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8b9d2072a074e9bdcba9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q1d61defd7133fd1796a8","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":251,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-17T21:27:49.210Z","text":"但一旦同意 象征意义巨大！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1d61defd7133fd1796a8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q5ac4b3c1157d9e01dd44","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":252,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-17T21:27:52.268Z","text":"此人是个天才啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5ac4b3c1157d9e01dd44","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q7188d5c1de87e8f7c261","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":253,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-17T21:43:41.611Z","text":"👉 是的，DX 这种通过 supplemental filings 把其他关键材料正式带入 appellate record 的做法，属于联邦上诉实践中真实存在的一类“record preservation / issue preservation”战术；它的重点通常不是立即赢，而是确保相关问题被法院正式看到、不能被说成从未提出。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7188d5c1de87e8f7c261","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q002a4a59ffcfe36bf34f","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":254,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-17T21:43:51.987Z","text":"这是个很专业的打法","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7188d5c1de87e8f7c261","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q002a4a59ffcfe36bf34f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7188d5c1de87e8f7c261","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q07e500ce4f7d49bcd3d6","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":255,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-17T21:44:41.284Z","text":"就是说，如果你发补充动议，如果不先告诉二巡（leave to file supplemental)，那么法官是不会看到的，或者他看没看你也不知道","edited":false,"reply_to":"q93d461236385fbfdf6d5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q07e500ce4f7d49bcd3d6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q93d461236385fbfdf6d5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q1b586cccba75268c29ab","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":256,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-17T21:45:17.462Z","text":"record preservation 不用leave","edited":false,"reply_to":"q07e500ce4f7d49bcd3d6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1b586cccba75268c29ab","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q07e500ce4f7d49bcd3d6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qd42a1973a0e67a7555f4","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":257,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-17T21:45:21.896Z","text":"如果你先发一个leave to file，至少他要确认一下，你知道他看到了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd42a1973a0e67a7555f4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q9b42e8dd737ab08b79f6","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":258,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-17T21:45:34.815Z","text":"考虑733 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se的CRVA，是检方和托的痛点之一，参考二巡检方的反应","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd6588795738401025db3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q3e82f3d95dbf7a81b572","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":345,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-18T01:00:45.716Z","text":"检方到现在还不能接受反对他们的受害人","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd6588795738401025db3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3e82f3d95dbf7a81b572","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd6588795738401025db3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qe81ac021abb9140ab773","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":346,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-18T01:01:47.750Z","text":"是的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3e82f3d95dbf7a81b572","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe81ac021abb9140ab773","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3e82f3d95dbf7a81b572","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qf7e615417eb844f01dec","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":347,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-18T01:03:16.352Z","text":"853n是次要选择，因为托和检方，可以用各种手段，最终打成853i","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf7e615417eb844f01dec","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q37e783e694ca69be723e","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":348,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-18T01:04:56.518Z","text":"但是现在已经崩了 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Holland, 346 U.S. 379 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enterprise都弄到破产案去\n当然不希望韭菜们，拿到钱","edited":false,"reply_to":"q27a1b1f246e1589c6f54","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf7caed0cc7e9085e7eae","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q27a1b1f246e1589c6f54","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qe5f251c7a7f89779677f","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":364,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-18T06:18:15.189Z","text":"下周南区如果还是什么都没有 那就是承认彻底被打废了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe5f251c7a7f89779677f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q94aa834302c4cddc2620","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":365,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-18T06:35:00.697Z","text":"然后就是检方卖人，青第一顺位，张永兵第二个","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q94aa834302c4cddc2620","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qf4e0f6cc7a17b6b5c588","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":366,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-18T06:37:22.047Z","text":"这个跟record preservation有啥区别","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd42a1973a0e67a7555f4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf4e0f6cc7a17b6b5c588","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd42a1973a0e67a7555f4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qa36a7f2d885c8f68b1ec","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":367,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-18T06:38:57.293Z","text":"布雷迪到现在还没人碰，南区动议里应该有不少","edited":false,"reply_to":"q92a6a00ffcc502188f3d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa36a7f2d885c8f68b1ec","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q92a6a00ffcc502188f3d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q2c213e8a7f25aecaa9a2","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":368,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-18T06:43:06.880Z","text":"这个法官需要回应","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf4e0f6cc7a17b6b5c588","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2c213e8a7f25aecaa9a2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf4e0f6cc7a17b6b5c588","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qc48ce3c2527aaabb60fe","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":369,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-18T06:43:13.823Z","text":"record法官不知道会不会看","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc48ce3c2527aaabb60fe","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q19633fe0afdf16836432","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":370,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-18T06:45:12.331Z","text":"班农也被耍的滴流转","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8ed352454fb3a160ea10","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q19633fe0afdf16836432","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ed352454fb3a160ea10","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q0fe691d81f3ccf0b2001","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":371,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-18T06:45:55.392Z","text":"那之前写的信基本白写了呗","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc48ce3c2527aaabb60fe","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0fe691d81f3ccf0b2001","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc48ce3c2527aaabb60fe","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q3d9679a99ebc49946737","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":372,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-18T06:46:20.358Z","text":"当然不是","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0fe691d81f3ccf0b2001","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3d9679a99ebc49946737","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0fe691d81f3ccf0b2001","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q419c432ddaa6ea7cb933","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":373,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-18T06:49:05.311Z","text":"实际上，最有动力找替罪羊的是托雷斯，并且可以完成判刑后不留大的把柄。反正零受害者，受害者损失为零都可以判20年。辩方自己都承认了几百万。把第三方都上传了，然后仿照二巡，说全部都看了，用什么无理取闹，资格不足，证据不足，没有合理主张等理由全部驳回，然后判20年，然后把烂摊子甩给检方，由于政府没有在合理的时间内计算出损失，只能按照被告承认的受害者损失量刑，但政府仍然需要把损失全部算清楚，哪些人拿了多少钱，没有追回来的钱说明理由。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q419c432ddaa6ea7cb933","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q0cea9584865c94c026dd","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":374,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-18T06:50:53.130Z","text":"除非她也有把柄，在检方，或者检方背后力量的手里","edited":false,"reply_to":"q419c432ddaa6ea7cb933","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0cea9584865c94c026dd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q419c432ddaa6ea7cb933","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q8c2de650029fcf3ff87f","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":375,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-18T06:51:43.354Z","text":"她是奥巴驴的人，doj也是左派的地盘，从政治角度看，它们是一家人，是利益共同体，不需要什么把柄","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8c2de650029fcf3ff87f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qfe3b9d98d571814eb3e6","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":376,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-18T06:53:21.185Z","text":"这算忠于组织忠于党吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfe3b9d98d57181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preservation也都用leave写不是更好吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2c213e8a7f25aecaa9a2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe08b7e8b78392aa310e2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2c213e8a7f25aecaa9a2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q2dce2a1ef03675e34cbc","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":378,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-18T07:15:34.189Z","text":"随便你","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe08b7e8b78392aa310e2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2dce2a1ef03675e34cbc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe08b7e8b78392aa310e2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qf55cfdbea78a58d1efe4","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":379,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-18T07:15:37.596Z","text":"都行","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf55cfdbea78a58d1efe4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q522844b49eee1ca22d1f","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":380,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-18T07:16:25.986Z","text":"可不是说损失为零可以判20","edited":false,"reply_to":"q419c432ddaa6ea7cb933","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q522844b49eee1ca22d1f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q419c432ddaa6ea7cb933","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q678ade31da3fe28259d1","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":381,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-18T07:16:40.190Z","text":"损失是最重要的参考","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q678ade31da3fe28259d1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q744c6d0f6dd61afd1e56","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":382,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-18T07:16:49.782Z","text":"受害者为零可以","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q744c6d0f6dd61afd1e56","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q9933d451ca380314bcda","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":383,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-18T07:19:42.895Z","text":"也可以。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q522844b49eee1ca22d1f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9933d451ca380314bcda","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q522844b49eee1ca22d1f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q8d03e0ce36ac866393c3","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":384,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-18T07:19:56.659Z","text":"他说了？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9933d451ca380314bcda","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8d03e0ce36ac866393c3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9933d451ca380314bcda","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qbc01db0e0cbd1e1b59ec","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":385,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-18T07:20:00.675Z","text":"833？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbc01db0e0cbd1e1b59ec","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q0dc29a7f8c335f1c503e","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":386,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-18T07:20:20.214Z","text":"检方没说。但过去有这么判过。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8d03e0ce36ac866393c3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0dc29a7f8c335f1c503e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8d03e0ce36ac866393c3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qb748233a74fe56c8f7ae","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":387,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-18T07:20:29.494Z","text":"哪个案例","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0dc29a7f8c335f1c503e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb748233a74fe56c8f7ae","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0dc29a7f8c335f1c503e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qaa3f588bd91fca093cba","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":388,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-18T07:20:45.692Z","text":"辩方承认几百万在哪里？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q419c432dd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第几页","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbb09bbbdc364e1fb46d5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7823834ed09f2aafbf7f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbb09bbbdc364e1fb46d5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q76c4e07514aa0e551c0d","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":392,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-18T07:22:19.378Z","text":"辩方不是无罪辩护吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q76c4e07514aa0e551c0d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qc273fe3a5b7ed55697e7","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":393,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-18T07:22:27.644Z","text":"不是说损失为0吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc273fe3a5b7ed55697e7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qb5e3590533112d13efec","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":394,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-18T07:22:30.670Z","text":"哪来的几百万","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb5e3590533112d13efec","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q8bf8f4a32abc8f8baa50","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":395,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-18T07:24:17.579Z","text":"说了只是程序性管理量刑，保留无罪辩护。当时没有留意，确实有承认某个减小的数字，没有到一千万。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7823834ed09f2aafbf7f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8bf8f4a32abc8f8baa50","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7823834ed09f2aafbf7f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qefaaa8155f206abef1ac","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":396,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-18T07:36:14.016Z","text":"对的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8bf8f4a32abc8f8baa50","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qefaaa8155f206abef1ac","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8bf8f4a32abc8f8baa50","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q696e4007ad3ad3601d1b","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":397,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-18T07:36:24.406Z","text":"文件在哪页","edited":false,"reply_to":"qefaaa8155f206abef1ac","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q696e4007ad3ad3601d1b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qefaaa8155f206abef1ac","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qc5d16683e8a6924dffb4","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":398,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-18T07:36:33.352Z","text":"辩方不是无罪辩护","edited":false,"reply_to":"q53bc4377029f1c7db347","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc5d16683e8a6924dffb4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qad77556db6ca6b5e49d5","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":399,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-18T07:50:48.408Z","text":"一时半会找不到 找到会发到这里","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qad77556db6ca6b5e49d5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q243b1ca1412a6f867783","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":400,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-18T07:51:05.177Z","text":"主要是说 他个人涉及的，有几百万","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q243b1ca1412a6f867783","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000111","next_batch_id":"batch-000113"}