{"id":"batch-000112","number":112,"revision":1,"date_start":"2026-05-16T22:19:18.926Z","date_end":"2026-05-21T11:36:26.298Z","total_messages":1000,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 112 (May 16, 2026 – May 21, 2026), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Discussion revolved around post-sentencing procedure, with participants contesting whether motions survive sentencing and arguing about filing order for supplemental materials. They also disputed who can represent victims or third parties versus prosecutors, whether transferred funds are investments or fraud proceeds, and whether disclosure issues under CIPA plus Brady/Giglio and RICO/conspiracy arguments can alter likely outcomes. The thread was repeatedly unsettled by trust conflicts, accusations, and competing standards over verifiable facts versus political inference. Community statements, not court findings.","guide_en":[{"title":"Post-sentencing procedural restart: whether motions are still valid and whether a second pass can still intervene","description":"Participants dispute whether sentencing ends available motions or leaves them alive for continued procedural relief in a second round, with competing views on how finality should be treated. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q94c6e34021147825a34a","q1e0c225458f33ff4787c","qd9aad050d9759d69fca6"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q94c6e34021147825a34a","summary_en":"A participant asks whether any post-sentencing path can still proceed after sentencing. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q1e0c225458f33ff4787c","summary_en":"Another participant contends that sentencing does not make a pending motion disappear. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qd9aad050d9759d69fca6","summary_en":"A further speaker says that after sentencing, procedural problems become fixed in a practical sense. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Second-round and injunction sequencing: supplemental filings, uploads, and refiling timing create disagreement","description":"Participants dispute the procedural timeline for injunction-related relief, especially when to file supplements versus when renewed applications are appropriate. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q99512a7c6463034c9091","q7ce46d38879ed2aa5188","qf63c7d73c7ad55be6819"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q99512a7c6463034c9091","summary_en":"A posting states that a supplemental filing supporting a compulsory-order motion was granted and that the court has considered those materials. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q7ce46d38879ed2aa5188","summary_en":"Another note points to an entry marked \"849,\" implying another docket or filing step linked to procedural movement. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf63c7d73c7ad55be6819","summary_en":"A participant adds that many people invested over years and still back the defendant, while acknowledging some may have been misled, affecting how party status is argued. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Third-party and victim role boundaries: who can participate and who should be represented by prosecution","description":"Participants dispute whether third parties should intervene at all, whether prosecution adequately represents victim interests, and whether distrust of prosecutors justifies separate motions. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qf7ae55ccde17ce7e56e0","q2e1f5509381d020e72dc","qaa362e410153ebc8ef06"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qf7ae55ccde17ce7e56e0","summary_en":"One speaker argues normal criminal matters should not require victim or third-party intervention, and says prosecutors can represent victims while claiming most investors did not formally register as victims. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q2e1f5509381d020e72dc","summary_en":"Another participant says it is irrational for victims to seek defense counsel and says counsel should not accept such outreach. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qaa362e410153ebc8ef06","summary_en":"A third participant says the case was moved by third parties because they do not trust prosecutors. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Victim roster and identity instability: five-person list versus broad supporter counts","description":"Participants dispute victim composition, alternating between a narrow five-person set and broader claims of many supporters, with identity framing treated as central evidence in credibility conflicts. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q4d6c415876379f2db0f9","q552920818757300842dc","q4bc30aed826c8d976c47"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q4d6c415876379f2db0f9","summary_en":"One user identifies a five-person group as the people tied to the second-round stay context. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q552920818757300842dc","summary_en":"Another asserts there are victims, but says the number is very small. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q4bc30aed826c8d976c47","summary_en":"A further participant mocks the idea that only five prosecution-accepted victims were involved, arguing those five were supporters rather than a representative victim base. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Trust split toward prosecution and judiciary: political framing and selective victim allegations","description":"Participants contend the case management is politically motivated, alleging selective victim designation, while others treat these claims as contested rhetoric rather than verified institutional findings. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q8e6ee245c295756b9ea5","q1986fb79c0f4d60a5bde","q966e45e91a4a3434d501"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q8e6ee245c295756b9ea5","summary_en":"One participant alleges deep governmental interference, saying there are no willing victims and implying prosecutors manufactured victims through allied networks. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q1986fb79c0f4d60a5bde","summary_en":"Another claims that if the goal is political suppression, participants will not accept being labeled as Guo’s victims and instead frame themselves as harmed by DOJ misclassification. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q966e45e91a4a3434d501","summary_en":"A further speaker reads this as evidence that prosecutors intentionally separated cooperators from non-cooperators. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"CIPA and disclosure track: whether classified materials include Brady/Giglio and impeachment material","description":"Participants argue that CIPA is the key dispute, with disagreement over whether suppressed or substituted classified materials are actually Brady/Giglio impeachment evidence rather than routine secrecy shielding. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q77da6b7020213f2860e0","qfd0620eecac61e76ff66","qb18e3065e2ca689ddb0e"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q77da6b7020213f2860e0","summary_en":"One participant says CIPA was wrongly decided and that removed or replaced classified materials may actually be Brady/Giglio impeachment evidence, making CIPA the serious issue. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qfd0620eecac61e76ff66","summary_en":"Another says unsubmitted materials are likely to include many Brady and Giglio impeachment items. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qb18e3065e2ca689ddb0e","summary_en":"A participant adds that if everything were disclosed, this would involve more than one \"Tony\" and would significantly strengthen a CIPA challenge. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Investment money or scam money: fund flow and account verification as a persistent dispute","description":"Participants dispute whether transferred funds are legitimate investments or fraudulent proceeds, with competing interpretations of testimony and return patterns shaping the victim and mens rea narrative. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q88553754317c041f4aba","q68e2958c892b0d5bbb8e","q8e61162146aa7e1f8f85"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q88553754317c041f4aba","summary_en":"One participant insists transferred funds were investment capital through the farm structure, citing gains and arguing the prosecution reframed them as fraud money to secure conviction. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q68e2958c892b0d5bbb8e","summary_en":"Another says possible victims could include Yu Jianming and other alleged co-conspirators. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q8e61162146aa7e1f8f85","summary_en":"A counterpoint says this victim argument alone cannot overturn a jury verdict because project participants reportedly testified to Guo’s motive to defraud. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"RICO and conspiracy scope: whether Guo is sole target and who bears responsibility","description":"Participants contest RICO framing by challenging why only Guo is portrayed as the target and by debating whether responsibility should extend to broader participants or scapegoats. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q42d921921dcbc60f15a0","q2556f7d93442fba7041c","qf4afe34a7ae6328e853e"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q42d921921dcbc60f15a0","summary_en":"One participant asks why RICO enforcement would only involve Guo. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q2556f7d93442fba7041c","summary_en":"Another asks whether the reference to \"Gail 6000\" implies a broad win for other actors. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf4afe34a7ae6328e853e","summary_en":"A further message urges prosecutors to pursue a scapegoat, naming 'Niao Qing Luc.' Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Outcome expectations shift: reversal, deportation, and delay predictions moving together","description":"Participants dispute endgame timelines and outcomes, with predictions ranging from conviction and deportation to broad uncertainty about finality and process duration. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q9c01374882b74f9228de","qf73a84a1fa225037a0b2","qf485052040f622e4a118"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q9c01374882b74f9228de","summary_en":"One participant predicts conviction, immediate deportation without U.S. sentence service, and a likely return in July. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf73a84a1fa225037a0b2","summary_en":"Another repeats the expectation that sentencing will be followed by deportation. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf485052040f622e4a118","summary_en":"A later participant states bluntly that the process is finished. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Information credibility struggle: distinguishing verifiable evidence from speculation","description":"Participants contend over methodology, with one side rejecting unverifiable statements as unreliable while the other treats proof of intelligence involvement as necessary to reframe RICO links. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q0a337c1a14c1d24adbb5","q85befe4f4a9776b0862d"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q0a337c1a14c1d24adbb5","summary_en":"A participant says statements attributed to Guo cannot be cross-checked and should be treated as unreliable rhetoric. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q85befe4f4a9776b0862d","summary_en":"Another argues the key challenge is proving specific actors were intelligence operatives to break RICO ties, and questions whether fraud-only proof can be enough. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Group governance and speech boundaries: identity claims, muting, and targeting controversies","description":"Participants dispute moderation norms, including membership identity disclosure, kicking, and the legitimacy of targeting specific users, with these conflicts affecting trust in group process. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q9349ac2fcaa19629ebec","q8c465439b3adbf934c75","q7b22ede5411b3cb692d9"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q9349ac2fcaa19629ebec","summary_en":"One participant reports being kicked from the group. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q8c465439b3adbf934c75","summary_en":"Another post contains a redacted member-identity reference only. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q7b22ede5411b3cb692d9","summary_en":"A later comment mentions a business owner identified as [删节：成员身份], described as also belonging to the old group. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Lawyer status and pro se boundaries: licensed counsel self-representation and equal treatment","description":"Participants dispute whether a licensed attorney may proceed pro se, with arguments split between categorical bars and more permissive interpretations regardless of bar status. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qe1321509a5aee287b4ef","q351014b63257a38baa79","q286ceefa53613d123981"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qe1321509a5aee287b4ef","summary_en":"One speaker says lawyers cannot represent themselves pro se. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q351014b63257a38baa79","summary_en":"Another speaker claims pro se representation should be allowed. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q286ceefa53613d123981","summary_en":"A third participant argues that license status should not change the answer. Community statements, not court findings."}]}],"summary":"讨论的核心先围绕量刑后是否还能重新推动程序。群内对二巡路径、强制令、motion for 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青这两届共300农场主骨干","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa2a2594826d2ce6f83e1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe308db6f02fa8ee64c60","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa2a2594826d2ce6f83e1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q3440064fe75269f98a14","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":626,"speaker":".an***","date":"2026-05-19T04:51:44.603Z","text":"农场主贪污了钱，但最后都算在老郭头上，他们作证是老郭让贪污的，这就是Rico的来源。老郭真是冤枉死了，而真正的贪污犯在享乐和窃喜，并把投资者当傻子和韭菜任意欺骗、收割，这就是郭案的离奇和奇葩所在，这也是灭爆小组的布局。看来破局要靠自诉群了。每个人用自己的投资证据合理怀疑李亚，鸟，王雪冰、戴建鋒等侵吞了自己的投资款就能把检方的证人证言彻底打碎。Torres延期的二个月应该是给自诉者机会的时间，看明白的战友应该知道该做什么了🤔。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q91d329d1f129f6c80b2d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3440064fe75269f98a14","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q91d329d1f129f6c80b2d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q8ce4b6dedce82bc0db0e","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":627,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-05-19T04:54:11.254Z","text":"联盟农场没有郭直播的背书，没有那么多人会信的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3440064fe75269f98a14","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ce4b6dedce82bc0db0e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3440064fe75269f98a14","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qd034c1e4af758b640770","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":628,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-19T04:55:24.591Z","text":"那帮人吞的，估计要拿回来\n可以走民事rico，和解还钱就行\n不然就刑事rico，都成诈骗同谋，牢底座穿","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8ce4b6dedce82bc0db0e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd034c1e4af758b640770","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ce4b6dedce82bc0db0e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q8b8c74442123bcca7c75","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":629,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-19T04:56:32.790Z","text":"延期都快一个月了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8b8c74442123bcca7c75","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q1a4fc21c99438158c597","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":630,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-19T04:57:27.053Z","text":"他们知道 629会更疯狂","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1a4fc21c99438158c597","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qc9ab6fa93dcb23b64680","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":631,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-19T04:57:40.533Z","text":"检方在考虑卖人的顺序","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc9ab6fa93dcb23b64680","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q6767c601f6231d291de3","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":632,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-19T04:57:53.483Z","text":"青 鸟 哪个先","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6767c601f6231d291de3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qdce7a4ce2cfc40226c8e","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":633,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-19T04:57:58.755Z","text":"最急的是法官","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc9ab6fa93dcb23b64680","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdce7a4ce2cfc40226c8e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc9ab6fa93dcb23b64680","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q93599a76fc8f1127d75e","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":634,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-19T04:58:06.284Z","text":"法官逼检方卖","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q93599a76fc8f1127d75e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q46b17bf8c0e747b2f8fe","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":635,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-19T04:58:29.227Z","text":"检方怕是不听托雷斯的🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":"q93599a76fc8f1127d75e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q46b17bf8c0e747b2f8fe","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q93599a76fc8f1127d75e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q0d6ddf21840562d0ab71","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":636,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-05-19T04:59:24.528Z","text":"怎么个逼法？现在各方面都没什么太大的动作呀，除了二巡驳回几个强制令。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0d6ddf21840562d0ab71","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q7702e1b6d46692891da5","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":637,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-05-19T04:59:57.544Z","text":"我的东西这次不知道会不会上传","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7702e1b6d46692891da5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qd28e288a393c9d9a0cb4","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":638,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-19T05:00:29.224Z","text":"629前没动作，托雷斯晚节不保 \n说不定还要被起诉","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0d6ddf21840562d0ab71","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd28e288a393c9d9a0cb4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0d6ddf21840562d0ab71","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q42180b79dc25879fae9f","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":639,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-05-19T05:00:57.703Z","text":"她能干嘛呢？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd28e288a393c9d9a0cb4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q42180b79dc25879fae9f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd28e288a393c9d9a0cb4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q6852917c184bc9ad3b8c","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":640,"speaker":"wen***","date":"2026-05-19T05:01:12.295Z","text":"江胡乱套了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6852917c184bc9ad3b8c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qf4afe34a7ae6328e853e","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":641,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-19T05:01:13.351Z","text":"催检方，找背锅侠\n鸟 青 luc","edited":false,"reply_to":"q42180b79dc25879fae9f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf4afe34a7ae6328e853e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q42180b79dc25879fae9f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q874ed8665b4c5895bb86","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":642,"speaker":"wen***","date":"2026-05-19T05:03:44.463Z","text":"傻子，法盲都能发现郭案有问题，629看托雷丝的了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q874ed8665b4c5895bb86","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qdb61b06fc777ad584079","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":643,"speaker":".an***","date":"2026-05-19T05:03:53.997Z","text":"信郭没错，而且郭也让我们在喜币上赚到钱了，但破产案里债权人投诉被郭诈骗，然后农场主作证是郭让诈骗的，这就闹心了，因为郭没有拿到投资人的一分钱，也没有利用投资人获利，所以，检方的证人统统是坏蛋，是灭爆小组派来给郭挖坑的，他们的任务就是侵吞投资款，并给郭定罪的。这就是灭爆小组给郭设的局，最后投资者的钱被没收，灭爆小组与luc再瓜分一遍。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8ce4b6dedce82bc0db0e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdb61b06fc777ad584079","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ce4b6dedce82bc0db0e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qaad0f79b30c744d4577d","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":644,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-19T05:05:16.701Z","text":"629 二巡批准了自诉人强制令轰炸","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0d6ddf21840562d0ab71","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaad0f79b30c744d4577d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0d6ddf21840562d0ab71","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q6a6c449a4d9d7d4fc9e8","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":645,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-19T05:05:43.150Z","text":"别把托雷斯逼疯了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qaad0f79b30c744d4577d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6a6c449a4d9d7d4fc9e8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaad0f79b30c744d4577d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q7fad825f7db5c3e626f9","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":646,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-19T05:05:59.502Z","text":"而且之前tony 螺丝哥 瑞恩的stay 揭露的重大问题 托雷斯没有办法处理","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7fad825f7db5c3e626f9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q789b6a52588f5fb80381","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":647,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-19T05:06:14.581Z","text":"要是能处理早就处理了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q789b6a52588f5fb80381","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q854d2dd1fe3a651dd326","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":648,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-05-19T05:06:43.804Z","text":"啥意思呀？批准了自诉人强制令轰炸？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qaad0f79b30c744d4577d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q854d2dd1fe3a651dd326","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaad0f79b30c744d4577d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q5bb7fb78be6d5c02d018","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":649,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-19T05:07:05.419Z","text":"二巡说了 量刑前不上传 强制令可以再开","edited":false,"reply_to":"q854d2dd1fe3a651dd326","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5bb7fb78be6d5c02d018","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q854d2dd1fe3a651dd326","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q4a7bfdef9f1ef23f423b","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":650,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-19T05:07:17.742Z","text":"这次是第二次二巡发这个了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4a7bfdef9f1ef23f423b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qc2d6f0f04081270778c6","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":651,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-19T05:07:28.131Z","text":"第三次二巡肯定会撕破脸","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc2d6f0f04081270778c6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q89b4f749b1a268ee5857","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":652,"speaker":"wen***","date":"2026-05-19T05:08:53.667Z","text":"一切都是刚刚开始🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7fad825f7db5c3e626f9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q89b4f749b1a268ee5857","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7fad825f7db5c3e626f9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qb852385da6242190b5cf","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":653,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-05-19T05:08:57.533Z","text":"那这样看来，我第二次递交的强制令二巡应该会拿岀来立案吧？😂","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb852385da6242190b5cf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q155629bd6357874b6fc3","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":654,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-19T05:09:56.673Z","text":"估计还没找好背锅侠\n鸟 青 两帮人马，最近咬的挺欢乐，估计在争着甩锅","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7fad825f7db5c3e626f9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q155629bd6357874b6fc3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7fad825f7db5c3e626f9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qc23411d5e81db1c5c058","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":655,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-05-19T05:13:14.719Z","text":"我这次写得很简单的，就是之前的四个自诉未被上传，后来的6个也没上传，我的救济要求就是让南区上传我的所有自诉，并且附上了以前的8-9个自诉。\n其它群里讨论的内容我自己讲不清楚，所以也没有说。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc23411d5e81db1c5c058","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q9f83fe84c108e4472361","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":656,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-05-19T05:14:51.640Z","text":"TMD, 我的东西如果上传了，我就要找个机会去庆祝一下。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9f83fe84c108e4472361","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qd50f257d7c401f52c5a7","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":657,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-05-19T05:16:03.715Z","text":"我的意思是陪审团在了解郭让投资者信联盟农场，而联盟农场却去指证是郭指挥的，但郭却没能拿出证据证明和他没有关系","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdb61b06fc777ad584079","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd50f257d7c401f52c5a7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdb61b06fc777ad584079","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qadef582bcac42801896c","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":658,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-05-19T05:17:48.007Z","text":"郭在庭审现场看到所有人的表演，他应该很无语的，所以也就选择继续摆烂。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd50f257d7c401f52c5a7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qadef582bcac42801896c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd50f257d7c401f52c5a7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q8be52aa4e1472a2d7a35","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":659,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-05-19T05:19:31.301Z","text":"我原来一直以为庭审会还郭以清白、让郭王者归来。万万没想到，一切才刚刚开始。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8be52aa4e1472a2d7a35","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q42c1ab70e4e9ecc6f8d6","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":660,"speaker":".an***","date":"2026-05-19T05:20:49.298Z","text":"我宁愿不要钱也要让真正的诈骗犯牢底坐穿，这是一场你死我活的战斗，真正的诈骗犯都是灭爆小组成员，他们在替中共作垂死挣扎，所以，灭他们就是灭共。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd034c1e4af758b640770","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q42c1ab70e4e9ecc6f8d6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd034c1e4af758b640770","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qfc48b2040c60511df525","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":661,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-05-19T05:22:13.326Z","text":"你真是搞笑，无罪才能拿到钱，有罪量刑后才拿不到钱","edited":false,"reply_to":"q42c1ab70e4e9ecc6f8d6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfc48b2040c60511df525","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q42c1ab70e4e9ecc6f8d6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q42c20bac237cbf74607d","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":662,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-19T05:25:33.524Z","text":"等郭无罪以后，再分开起诉洗钱的实体和个人\n这300骨干，是海外潜伏力量的，通过这个官司已经彻底暴露，没有使用价值了，会被丢弃，接不到活没狗粮\n运气不好的政庇会被取消，遣返","edited":false,"reply_to":"q42c1ab70e4e9ecc6f8d6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q42c20bac237cbf74607d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q42c1ab70e4e9ecc6f8d6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q6a895476fe635202501c","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":663,"speaker":"wen***","date":"2026-05-19T05:31:51.368Z","text":"辨方，检方，法院，联盟他们比任何人都清楚老郭是清白的没有犯罪，他们自以为可以为所欲为，可以撑控住案情，没想到半路杀出了个程咬金螺蛳哥以及五大金刚自述人，这就有好戏看了，还是郭说的那句话：唯真不破，真的假不了，假的真不了。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6a895476fe635202501c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q669791380f32a5bd57b3","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":664,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-19T05:33:35.814Z","text":"检方肯定要卖人了，鸟先，还是青先\nluc一时半会儿要留着，不然破产案刑事案的narrative都会corrupt","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6a895476fe635202501c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q669791380f32a5bd57b3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6a895476fe635202501c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q4232f2d15365ea8a2fe0","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":665,"speaker":".an***","date":"2026-05-19T05:38:20.571Z","text":"你为什么不用投资证据来证明给检方作证的农场主在犯罪，而是希望老郭证明他没有犯罪呢？你的钱是直接转给老郭了还是转给农场主指定的账户了？检方认为你是受害者，你就配合检方，告诉检方把钱转给谁了，让检方顺着钱路帮你找到诈骗犯。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd50f257d7c401f52c5a7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4232f2d15365ea8a2fe0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd50f257d7c401f52c5a7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q85befe4f4a9776b0862d","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":666,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-05-19T05:43:22.284Z","text":"证明他们是特务间谍，才能让老郭脱离和他们的rico 关系，也是做这个局的关键吧？你只是单纯证明他们只是诈骗做这种局做三年牢干嘛？谁能证明他们是特务？你有能力吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4232f2d15365ea8a2fe0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q85befe4f4a9776b0862d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4232f2d15365ea8a2fe0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q253d20c5c7c0b15beb5a","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":667,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-19T05:44:35.902Z","text":"［用户 mia***］  亚纳的意思是，郭是投资公司代言人身份，就是负责直播吆喝的那个\n投资人要自己去找收钱的，郭也没有理由帮投资人办这个事儿","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q253d20c5c7c0b15beb5a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q4a0f751ba54a0aa1a54a","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":668,"speaker":".an***","date":"2026-05-19T05:58:36.992Z","text":"法官不关心谁是不是特务，但是，谁诈骗谁就该伏法是法官关注的重点，虚假债权人指认老郭是诈骗犯，但投资款给谁了应该向谁要才是正确思路。你听了郭德钢的代言把数万元钱转给产品经销商，但却没有收到产品，你觉得应该投诉谁呢？应该让谁把钱退给你呢？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q85befe4f4a9776b0862d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4a0f751ba54a0aa1a54a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q85befe4f4a9776b0862d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qaecc2a1ef2de3575eeaf","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":669,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-05-19T06:01:24.747Z","text":"背后指使的rico罪名，怎么辩护？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4a0f751ba54a0aa1a54a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaecc2a1ef2de3575eeaf","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4a0f751ba54a0aa1a54a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q6c2130945d985ac75899","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":670,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-05-19T06:01:44.909Z","text":"张永兵在检方文件中 是共谋？ 那个文件？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6c2130945d985ac75899","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q3a3ad05e93951fe041db","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":671,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-19T06:02:44.143Z","text":"这个问题，luc要出来解释，这个rico是来自破产案里，他的描述，并没有举证过程","edited":false,"reply_to":"qaecc2a1ef2de3575eeaf","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3a3ad05e93951fe041db","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaecc2a1ef2de3575eeaf","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qffc805c74470fd947f9b","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":672,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-05-19T06:06:34.428Z","text":"共谋还能代表受害者 接收VOG /GTV 的返款？ 并且这些人很多人的返款不知去向","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qffc805c74470fd947f9b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qf07f702e0d488c6a5f17","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":673,"speaker":".an***","date":"2026-05-19T06:09:06.745Z","text":"所以629前必须要有luc到场接受听证，否则就是法官违法判案。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3a3ad05e93951fe041db","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf07f702e0d488c6a5f17","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3a3ad05e93951fe041db","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q46222c777e1ea858f565","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":674,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2026-05-19T06:10:18.950Z","text":"判决前必须由luc出庭 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王艳平\n说明他不想被卖，要让鸟那届背锅\nhttps://x.com/bannons_warroom/status/2056520362830008333?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf765e04b2391b0de4577","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qfe90ad4a1fe74ad61184","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":681,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-05-19T06:20:08.184Z","text":"王雪冰 - 新西兰农场主， 联盟主席？ 铁血组成员？ 对不对？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfe90ad4a1fe74ad61184","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q9ada74aee6be1c3f49da","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":682,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2026-05-19T06:21:10.550Z","text":"没有一个农场主是无辜的！？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4232f2d15365ea8a2fe0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ada74aee6be1c3f49da","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4232f2d15365ea8a2fe0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qb122ec7a77b90c0fc68f","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":683,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2026-05-19T06:23:52.264Z","text":"这个逻辑是不是要特别谨慎些。比如农场主被起诉，农场主说他是因为认识相信我，才投资我的吗？\n万一把证据链最后甩到郭先生，还给检方递了刀子。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb122ec7a77b90c0fc68f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q7e5bcc0650ad98684190","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":684,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2026-05-19T06:24:07.167Z","text":"这个逻辑是不是要特别谨慎些。比如农场主被起诉，农场主说他是因为认识相信我，才投资我的吗？\n万一把证据链最后甩到郭先生，还给检方递了刀子。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4232f2d15365ea8a2fe0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7e5bcc0650ad98684190","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4232f2d15365ea8a2fe0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q7798fc2e4a6f84aef619","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":685,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2026-05-19T06:25:55.714Z","text":"你的救济都是向第二巡回法庭写的吗？书面的还是电邮！？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc23411d5e81db1c5c058","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7798fc2e4a6f84aef619","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc23411d5e81db1c5c058","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qe918b90e24947a1690f6","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":686,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2026-05-19T06:27:12.322Z","text":"是不是把方向，转回到他们的司法程序瑕疵上，更好解开这个繁琐的结。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8be52aa4e1472a2d7a35","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe918b90e24947a1690f6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8be52aa4e1472a2d7a35","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qbb6ff761269164c710e7","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":687,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2026-05-19T06:30:45.002Z","text":"二巡的意思是：南区没上传的，咱要继续重新发给南区再一次！？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbb6ff761269164c710e7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q7d92a6deb20fab70a135","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":688,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2026-05-19T06:31:08.969Z","text":"还是说的再次向二巡申请强制令！？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7d92a6deb20fab70a135","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qa9b0e3dd411b8c4d9bdd","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":689,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-19T06:40:21.275Z","text":"等629之前，看南区对二巡的response","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7d92a6deb20fab70a135","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa9b0e3dd411b8c4d9bdd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7d92a6deb20fab70a135","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q05e9a30e5ee4385f2dff","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":690,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-19T06:43:39.790Z","text":"在804里，被告说灭共演员那些[屏蔽词]那里有一个亿。然而政府在之前的273里说ACA 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完全主導陪審團心理","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7ce71372825e952ee2ec","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qe633f765e3bafc4c6f90","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":693,"speaker":"wen***","date":"2026-05-19T07:18:04.563Z","text":"郭说ACA不是他的家族基金，那么1.3亿也应该与郭没关系，也就不存在洗钱欺诈转移吧，检方也没反应了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q05e9a30e5ee4385f2dff","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe633f765e3bafc4c6f90","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q05e9a30e5ee4385f2dff","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q062044069e271e431915","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":694,"speaker":"lui***","date":"2026-05-19T07:19:44.483Z","text":"辯方有沒有：\n\n* 明明可以提出卻放棄的重要抗辯\n* 沒有要求必要 hearing\n* 沒有反對 prejudicial evidence\n* 沒有要求 sever counts（分離罪名）\n* 沒有要求 mistrial\n* 沒有保存 appellate objections（上訴異議）\n\n這些才是日後真正能形成：\n「ineffective assistance」的基礎。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q062044069e271e431915","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q8deaced5740675190bfa","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":695,"speaker":"lui***","date":"2026-05-19T07:21:52.077Z","text":"郭先生到目前為止難道無律師可用？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8deaced5740675190bfa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qe0c0de04b108ee66059d","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":696,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-19T07:42:06.357Z","text":"还是要回到luc那里，g系列实体是郭的替代自我这一点没有被独立证明，然后它们用不正当程序和违法手段制造了只有替代自我被证明后才能成立的法律事实，并把这些事实呈现给了南区法院，大陪审团，审判陪审团。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe633f765e3bafc4c6f90","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe0c0de04b108ee66059d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe633f765e3bafc4c6f90","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q9b2f509cf52ccd05fec7","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":697,"speaker":"wen***","date":"2026-05-19T08:15:46.003Z","text":"辩方律师不作为","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9b2f509cf52ccd05fec7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qe276947563d179215455","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":698,"speaker":"wen***","date":"2026-05-19T09:02:08.006Z","text":"要把luv拉上法庭","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe276947563d179215455","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q83be51ac15015513efd7","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":699,"speaker":"mrz***","date":"2026-05-19T09:09:06.904Z","text":"為什麼Luc就是不上刑事庭作證，檢方和托雷斯法官要刻意迴避Luc？\n\n破產庭曼寧法官說，luc是DOJ任命的，不是她任命的；Luc的任命本身就是程序不正義","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q83be51ac15015513efd7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q6a9ca6608cdb6d1c55ac","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":700,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-19T09:16:00.645Z","text":"Luc在刑事案的身份也只是个第三方，要传唤他必须辩方要求，法官批准才行","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6a9ca6608cdb6d1c55ac","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q8069f9b4bc026e2ab3d7","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":701,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-19T09:16:22.831Z","text":"现在是谁也不提，被告提了也没人搭理","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8069f9b4bc026e2ab3d7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qfe3fee4d94fee15d955c","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":702,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-19T09:16:39.549Z","text":"第三方提了直接无视","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfe3fee4d94fee15d955c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q522a16027a8e59e1a35e","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":703,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-19T09:16:58.735Z","text":"南区庭上没好人，都要搞死被告","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q522a16027a8e59e1a35e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qa630a068aefc0d17ca25","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":704,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-05-19T09:31:15.969Z","text":"https://x.com/freedomhouzi/status/2056668544436261234?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa630a068aefc0d17ca25","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q8764b60e69f9422a50d3","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":705,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-19T10:00:40.983Z","text":"［用户 roy***］ 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Capital owner 是William Je？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q016407b0dc1dcdeee3dd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q7f18125e58c8373563bf","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":724,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-05-19T14:16:25.315Z","text":"辩护律师正常辩护，郭文贵但凡出力干活，陪审团也不会给郭文贵定罪!郭文贵被定罪，就是郭文贵活该！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7f18125e58c8373563bf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q127f2ce2146371c2ee8d","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":725,"speaker":"lui***","date":"2026-05-19T14:17:23.091Z","text":"美國目前被權力過於大的聯邦檢查官霸權，也許這裡面有將計就計的策略","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q127f2ce2146371c2ee8d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q698b21da27bb39d269bb","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":726,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-05-19T14:17:30.746Z","text":"郭文贵放弃自辩!为什么?明明知道辩护律师最基本的都没有做，为什么不当庭自我辩护啊？郭文贵就是最大的神经病！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q698b21da27bb39d269bb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q6a21b75de5a3669e200d","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":727,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-05-19T14:32:41.634Z","text":"汉光武帝，刘秀。唯唯诺诺就是怂包蛋缩头乌龟一个，但是，当他也造反的时候，刘氏后裔就看到，连刘秀这种怂包都造反了，看来王莽新朝必会完蛋!\n你明白了啊？不要看你想看到的人或者其他，当你最不应该看到的人或者其他没有活路的时候，才是你盼望的共产党完蛋的时候。 [删节：隐私信息]","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6a21b75de5a3669e200d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q8219c01c3dfa6c54203f","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":728,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-05-19T15:03:54.174Z","text":"夏凄东的 中文法律名字是： 夏期东？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8219c01c3dfa6c54203f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q8eaef5c81384d161e98d","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":729,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-05-19T15:09:02.876Z","text":"另外， 王雪冰 的拼音， 法庭上拼成了wang xuebin?","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8eaef5c81384d161e98d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qd0533a1b78b3c1a31027","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":730,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-19T15:25:06.232Z","text":"我写的中文名AI翻译的😁","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd0533a1b78b3c1a31027","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q0aee88bfd8fb7e26d4e4","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":731,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-19T15:28:35.277Z","text":"没人见过他的名字","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0aee88bfd8fb7e26d4e4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q7f02e78ab8dc0a3a30bd","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":732,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-19T15:41:17.182Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 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精神病吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf4d032e9dec0c8e78624","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q18f75b405f6479977843","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":748,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-19T16:58:00.503Z","text":"是你自己没法理解","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf4d032e9dec0c8e78624","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q18f75b405f6479977843","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf4d032e9dec0c8e78624","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q2583dec5571522ff18ac","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":749,"speaker":"xig***","date":"2026-05-19T16:58:20.597Z","text":"钱还拿的回来吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2583dec5571522ff18ac","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q4366abf1173e4dac316f","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":750,"speaker":"xig***","date":"2026-05-19T17:00:01.814Z","text":"你们的强制令好像被否了 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可以宣告死翘翘了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb82ece9dc68a731a4333","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q9c01374882b74f9228de","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":754,"speaker":"mil***","date":"2026-05-19T18:31:28.861Z","text":"郭会被判刑，判决后会立即遣返，不会在美国执行，估计郭会在7月份回到中国","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9c01374882b74f9228de","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qf73a84a1fa225037a0b2","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":755,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-19T18:35:54.661Z","text":"还判刑 遣返","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf73a84a1fa225037a0b2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q76318240743362899d08","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":756,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-19T18:37:47.844Z","text":"延期快一个月了 屁动作都没有","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q76318240743362899d08","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q046eca962dc6507b93f4","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":757,"speaker":"mil***","date":"2026-05-19T18:40:23.049Z","text":"也就不到两个月了，等等看事实吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q046eca962dc6507b93f4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q591dbc300a5032778986","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":758,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-19T18:41:01.686Z","text":"427 你们都在高潮 全网只有我一个人说没有427 你们当时不以为然 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你们还是一个论调","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1e3ca7629abcec3cbbe6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q37c1a8570c46b09c862a","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":760,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-19T18:41:59.796Z","text":"到最后肯定还是打脸","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q37c1a8570c46b09c862a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q0ddfb5a80953e494765a","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":761,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-19T18:42:56.752Z","text":"砸郭的也是一群法盲","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0ddfb5a80953e494765a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q4690ee565b23134e9598","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":762,"speaker":"mil***","date":"2026-05-19T18:44:39.493Z","text":"“你们““你们”的，我以前什么都没说过，也没和谁结成同盟一起传播什么舆论，只是我个人分析这么一说","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4690ee565b23134e9598","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q37af136a879463f4c3e6","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":763,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-19T18:47:17.196Z","text":"没说你本人和谁是同盟 是你的理论和其他人一样","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4690ee565b23134e9598","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q37af136a879463f4c3e6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4690ee565b23134e9598","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qbba686bf27afab16f8ba","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":764,"speaker":"mil***","date":"2026-05-19T18:56:50.942Z","text":"习和川已敲定好一切，和哪个检察官法官已毫无关系了，结局已定","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbba686bf27afab16f8ba","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qe4559541a5b065be9da1","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":765,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-19T19:08:54.574Z","text":"川普连自己的关税都管不了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe4559541a5b065be9da1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q556760df1c8f19af85ec","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":766,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-19T19:09:07.239Z","text":"还能管郭文贵？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q556760df1c8f19af85ec","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q2801c270a9a01ba312aa","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":767,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-19T20:11:50.394Z","text":"https://x.com/ruienxiaoge777/status/2056830138734739922?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2801c270a9a01ba312aa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q9b6ea5536e94412033c2","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":768,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-19T20:15:32.292Z","text":"在这个群里少扯没证据的东西","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbba686bf27afab16f8ba","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9b6ea5536e94412033c2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbba686bf27afab16f8ba","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qde5d02c8961b2d03ee66","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":769,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-19T21:23:14.386Z","text":"[删节：成员身份]  你们又用cvra 又用853n要钱的人 注意了： 这两种本来是矛盾的 不能既要又要。 但是这个案子，又可以了。 因为： 1: 检方 在二巡打五个受害者，瑞恩 螺丝哥等，说他们不是受害者，是支持者，而这五个人的特点 就是打检方。 所以 检方传递了一个信息： 打检方 就可以获得检方“郭文贵支持者 不是受害者”的标签 2: 之前律师 检方法官 都同意没有mvra restitution 直接remission。 而检方司法欺诈 受害者框架崩溃 loss 崩溃，辩方延期七次 托雷斯自己打脸延期两次号称在检方 辩方量刑文件“复杂悬而未决”的问题。 而控辩双方最纠结的就是受害者 和loss的崩塌。 那么问题来了 你法官都承认受害者的框架 loss 复杂 悬而未决 甚至要打脸延期两月，那么我拿什么来相信你政府remission减免的程序是可靠的？ 所以 受害者赔偿道路已经崩塌 你用853n还给我","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qde5d02c8961b2d03ee66","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q40a0c6c0011e2c77cc70","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":770,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-19T21:23:28.536Z","text":"有没有这么蠢的检方？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q40a0c6c0011e2c77cc70","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q258cbba5ccdca8e01bc4","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":771,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-19T21:23:33.360Z","text":"有没有这么蠢的法院？？？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q258cbba5ccdca8e01bc4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q5f0b6775c434651b72b3","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":772,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-05-19T21:31:28.060Z","text":"法官不是主动延期一次吗？哦，我猜你是笔误，两月","edited":false,"reply_to":"qde5d02c8961b2d03ee66","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f0b6775c434651b72b3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qde5d02c8961b2d03ee66","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qe8dc1518a2fdc755159b","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":773,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-19T21:34:24.996Z","text":"反正victim或者owner，他们必须让你选一个","edited":false,"reply_to":"qde5d02c8961b2d03ee66","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe8dc1518a2fdc755159b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qde5d02c8961b2d03ee66","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q344ee43e1fc58883888b","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":774,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-05-19T21:35:08.356Z","text":"任何投资人都可以在法庭上冲锋陷阵了😂","edited":false,"reply_to":"qde5d02c8961b2d03ee66","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q344ee43e1fc58883888b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qde5d02c8961b2d03ee66","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qb74333989734abc2a9b6","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":775,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-19T21:36:38.563Z","text":"无论你是victim还是owner， 都有诉讼资格，就算你的standing悬而未决，你也可以发动议","edited":false,"reply_to":"qde5d02c8961b2d03ee66","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb74333989734abc2a9b6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qde5d02c8961b2d03ee66","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q997f21ecf79bca6bb086","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":776,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-19T21:36:50.806Z","text":"其实这就是螺丝哥之前说的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q997f21ecf79bca6bb086","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q17988755e50b02b5b88a","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":777,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-19T21:37:01.949Z","text":"可是法官非要说他没资格","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q17988755e50b02b5b88a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q8a5cf80517453f888faa","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":778,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-19T21:37:15.174Z","text":"他只好当同案犯，同案犯也不让他当","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8a5cf80517453f888faa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q0329aa52b012637d159d","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":779,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-19T21:37:23.348Z","text":"最后只好当受害者了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0329aa52b012637d159d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qaba96d858774bb249146","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":780,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-05-19T21:40:52.504Z","text":"被逼无奈、走投无路，最后当了受害者；结果却是柳暗花明、开拓了自诉之路。\n这个逻辑我还是懂的。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0329aa52b012637d159d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaba96d858774bb249146","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0329aa52b012637d159d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qaee9739aecf7eb0cce2c","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":781,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-19T21:55:05.131Z","text":"现在可以都选了 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拿钱用投资者","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe8dc1518a2fdc755159b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaee9739aecf7eb0cce2c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe8dc1518a2fdc755159b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q8c24a60e02f73353edd4","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":782,"speaker":"lui***","date":"2026-05-19T22:09:53.926Z","text":"一個案件的敘事被拉得過於絕對，\n或試圖涵蓋所有利益與風險，\n反而容易在細節上產生可攻擊點。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8c24a60e02f73353edd4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q7c7e8f2684c82c07a87d","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":783,"speaker":"lui***","date":"2026-05-19T22:19:02.224Z","text":"你們把檢方的遮羞布撕開口子了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qaee9739aecf7eb0cce2c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7c7e8f2684c82c07a87d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaee9739aecf7eb0cce2c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q00ffa0277e258c846d2c","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":784,"speaker":"lui***","date":"2026-05-19T22:20:45.809Z","text":"寧可不要錢也要把這些造假作惡的人揪出來是不是就用cvra力度大一些？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q00ffa0277e258c846d2c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q3b0c3563223ebcfc78a9","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":785,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-05-19T22:36:02.682Z","text":"露脸的全是骗子，郭是不是骗子我不知道，我只知道我钱给了农场主，合同签的农场主的名字，然后就都消失了，美国骗钱这么好骗吗？政府还帮着诈骗！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3b0c3563223ebcfc78a9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q94ffca83c47c406fc4c1","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":786,"speaker":"lui***","date":"2026-05-19T23:35:20.257Z","text":"美國司法系統現在風大","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q94ffca83c47c406fc4c1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q922be0f5d59ae30d189f","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":787,"speaker":"lui***","date":"2026-05-19T23:38:12.546Z","text":"2026年3月眾議院司法委員會以14-9通過，即將送交眾議院全院表決。\n•  該法案將在**司法部國家安全司設立「CCP Initiative」**專責單位，專門對抗中共經濟間諜、IP盜竊、學術滲透，並強化DOJ與FBI協調，每年向國會報告。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q922be0f5d59ae30d189f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q84e67db3d638d6370b4e","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":788,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-20T00:00:50.776Z","text":"找不到来源也就是检方根本就没证明就直接把RICO 栽到了郭头上","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbecd207c927e850ffabc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q84e67db3d638d6370b4e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbecd207c927e850ffabc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q83460ee06545921037f6","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":789,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-20T00:03:08.300Z","text":"那就要质疑他们的起诉书","edited":false,"reply_to":"q84e67db3d638d6370b4e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q83460ee06545921037f6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q84e67db3d638d6370b4e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q5f4fa37d0642ce92e6ca","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":790,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-20T00:03:11.317Z","text":"和大陪审团","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f4fa37d0642ce92e6ca","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qa5106817760baf90ec82","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":791,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-20T00:03:29.325Z","text":"这个一直是大家讨论的重点","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa5106817760baf90ec82","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q72e9b295563f09bfa52d","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":792,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-20T00:03:33.770Z","text":"怎么去挖","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q72e9b295563f09bfa52d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q140740a6130c910e9393","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":793,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-20T00:05:47.211Z","text":"现在说ACA Capital 不是郭的公司，那他的农场借贷欺诈应该不成立了吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q140740a6130c910e9393","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q8d1d77c330e61119a8f0","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":794,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-20T00:15:56.243Z","text":"农场欺诈只是aca导致的吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q140740a6130c910e9393","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8d1d77c330e61119a8f0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q140740a6130c910e9393","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qbd72f92cfc915675449f","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":795,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-20T00:16:04.520Z","text":"如果是的话","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbd72f92cfc915675449f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q8db61aa0f08f7cb8d730","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":796,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-20T00:16:06.915Z","text":"那就对咯","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8db61aa0f08f7cb8d730","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q75120d122150c350f15d","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":797,"speaker":"lui***","date":"2026-05-20T00:18:40.728Z","text":"People 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Huston\n\n法院直接說：\n\n如果檢方：\n\n* 故意誤導；\n* 越俎代庖取代 grand jury；\n* 造成偏見；\n\n那麼：\n\ngrand jury integrity 被破壞。  \n\n結果：\n\n* indictment dismissed。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q75120d122150c350f15d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qb14b8ea88ce382183553","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":798,"speaker":"lui***","date":"2026-05-20T00:19:43.851Z","text":"1. 故意誤導 grand jury\n\n例如：\n\n* 單方面摘要；\n* 刻意忽略重要背景；\n* 用 emotionally loaded narrative；\n* 隱藏關鍵上下文。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb14b8ea88ce382183553","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"q81dbc3f07a8bde156bec","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":799,"speaker":"lui***","date":"2026-05-20T00:20:06.425Z","text":"2. 虛假或誤導性證詞\n\n如果：\n\n* 檢方知道證詞有重大問題；\n* 卻仍提交；\n\n這是非常嚴重的。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q81dbc3f07a8bde156bec","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"},{"id":"qd65e5e910674bc0f5122","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":800,"speaker":"lui***","date":"2026-05-20T00:20:41.983Z","text":"3. 隱藏 exculpatory structure\n\n雖然 United States v. Williams 說檢方未必有義務提交所有有利證據， \n\n但如果：\n\n* 已經接近 deceptive presentation（欺騙性呈現）；\n* 或造成重大誤導；\n\n就可能不同。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd65e5e910674bc0f5122","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000111","next_batch_id":"batch-000113"}