{"id":"batch-000113","number":113,"revision":2,"date_start":"2026-05-21T11:37:18.645Z","date_end":"2026-05-26T01:17:03.019Z","total_messages":1000,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 113 (May 21, 2026 – May 26, 2026), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. From May 21-26, 2026, participants debated proper filing and whether local filing or FBI referral was possible, then moved from stock-non-delivery claims to broader accusations of fraud, laundering, misappropriation, and luxury spending. They disputed Guo’s knowledge, command, and control for RICO, and whether bankruptcy plus alter-ego material could strengthen criminal proof. Procedure then became central, with arguments on stay, 2106, and Rule 32. No specific case or ECF identifiers were quoted. Community statements, not court findings.","guide_en":[{"title":"Complaint and jurisdiction split: filing channel, receipt, and FBI intake disputed","description":"Participants argue that reporting was limited by venue and certainty about filing proof, with competing claims over local reporting versus FBI escalation despite one side saying court filings already contain the evidentiary basis. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q31f669624851d6e152ef","qbe2a8eb6f8c608a74ab4","q03f22c648e1bf6f30057"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q31f669624851d6e152ef","summary_en":"A participant says if the farm owner is outside the U.S., the complaint should be filed locally rather than elsewhere. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qbe2a8eb6f8c608a74ab4","summary_en":"A participant says the TDCCP issuance by a U.S. company linked to Yoe Zhou means it can be reported to the FBI. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q03f22c648e1bf6f30057","summary_en":"A participant says the relevant evidence is already in court documents. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Investor identity and representation: silence of China-based investors and doubts about overseas credibility","description":"Participants claim China-based investors were silent while overseas representatives spoke, while others dispute and question the reliability of foreign investor actors in defining who the real constituency is. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q0c7c31d5c952e61df612","q14286355d2a09790a9b5","q7ea524ea64917171a81d"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q0c7c31d5c952e61df612","summary_en":"A participant claims investors in China were not willing to speak publicly. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q14286355d2a09790a9b5","summary_en":"A participant says these investors were represented by actors abroad. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q7ea524ea64917171a81d","summary_en":"A participant claims overseas investors were also untrustworthy. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Core charge framing dispute: fraud, laundering, misappropriation, and fake fundraising narratives","description":"Participants contest whether the dominant charge is simple non-delivery of shares or a broader integrated theory of fraud, misappropriation, laundering, and luxury diversion, so there is no single agreed framing for the allegations. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q21bd8839ba21579098e3","q92ec6998a0a1934122f3","qd771436adee692860279"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q21bd8839ba21579098e3","summary_en":"A participant frames the prosecutor’s fraud theory mainly as investors not receiving shares. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q92ec6998a0a1934122f3","summary_en":"A participant describes a detailed prosecution narrative alleging affinity-driven recruitment, misappropriation for private spending, and related SEC civil allegations tied to unregistered offerings and misleading statements. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qd771436adee692860279","summary_en":"A participant reiterates the fake-scheme framing, emphasizing massive investor fund transfers to luxury assets and claims that purported H-Coin and stock products were misrepresented or worthless. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Control-chain and ownership dispute: linking Guo, Himalaya, H-coin, and G|CLUB under one network","description":"Participants contend prosecution evidence is meant to show operational control across Himalaya Exchange, H-coin, and G|CLUB, while others argue public support alone is insufficient without stronger proof of command and ownership. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q3e1bfb2931715b7c6ee3","qe2be32fe6b50a2c5eff1","qd605d6e27fd657d26cd6"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q3e1bfb2931715b7c6ee3","summary_en":"A participant says prosecutors rely on documents, flows, testimony, control evidence, and operational overlap to connect Guo to Himalaya Exchange, G|CLUB, and funding channels. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qe2be32fe6b50a2c5eff1","summary_en":"A participant identifies the bankruptcy trustee as a key evidentiary element in the ownership-control argument. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qd605d6e27fd657d26cd6","summary_en":"A participant argues that being a public promoter does not automatically create criminal liability; prosecutors still need proof of knowledge, intent, participation, control, agreement, and direct involvement. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"RICO and knowledge-participation standard: whether a sustained command chain is needed","description":"Participants contend RICO requires proof of knowing, intentional participation in a fraud plan and dispute whether available material shows Guo gave scam instructions versus merely serving as a symbolic figure. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q162d216dca5f80c9848c","q35bde2bfaecd87b0e71d","q4fcc42f8f2f64d5c8393"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q162d216dca5f80c9848c","summary_en":"A participant argues the current files do not yet prove Guo issued fraud instructions, which they claim is required for RICO. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q35bde2bfaecd87b0e71d","summary_en":"A participant says the prosecution is alleged to have simplified the China-investor context in court and potentially misled the jury. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q4fcc42f8f2f64d5c8393","summary_en":"A participant says known creditor-registration issues were used against the defendant during bail decisions. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Evidence strength focus: oral testimony seen as insufficient without corroborating communication and flow records","description":"Participants claim that testimony alone is vulnerable, and they dispute whether communications, documents, and traceable fund movement can actually complete a legally admissible chain. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qe0c69319c2ad60ed86c3","q9ae6265e9730c64c12d9","q8b538b59347a6e999e05"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qe0c69319c2ad60ed86c3","summary_en":"A participant insists one manager’s testimony is insufficient on its own and says prosecutors need external proof like encrypted chats, emails, recordings, and money-trail records. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q9ae6265e9730c64c12d9","summary_en":"A participant says the presented evidence still falls far short of satisfying RICO thresholds. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q8b538b59347a6e999e05","summary_en":"A participant questions why defense counsel did not challenge witness cooperation claims more forcefully as bargaining-driven bias. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Procedural fairness narrative escalates: selective evidence criticism and alleged contamination","description":"Participants contend prosecutors emphasized harmful acts favorable to their theory while ignoring other materials, and they dispute defense competence for not presenting counter-records that could change credibility assessments. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qcd80b311805f26cc650a","qf1e62c444787cc0d3a7e","q60759ddcf6ea98a93945"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qcd80b311805f26cc650a","summary_en":"A participant argues prosecutors relied mainly on public promotion and promises and skipped examples involving named associates, implying selective evidence presentation. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf1e62c444787cc0d3a7e","summary_en":"A participant claims defense should have presented alliance notices showing insiders themselves admitted prior diversion of invested funds, which would weaken witness reliability. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q60759ddcf6ea98a93945","summary_en":"A participant says core criminal proof lies in a bankruptcy trustee record from the Southern District associated with fraud allegations. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Post-appeal procedural battlefield: stay, 2106, Rule 32, and sequencing","description":"Participants argue that once on second round, tactical sequencing became central, with repeated discussion of emergency stay hearings and whether multiple motions can be run together before core merits are reopened. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q84f90286c7e2be846066","q9aa0e4c250108a10e734","q533600dd252083144054"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q84f90286c7e2be846066","summary_en":"A participant says this round is focused on urgent stay motions and the need for a hearing. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q9aa0e4c250108a10e734","summary_en":"A participant predicts the second cycle may include more than five compulsory stay orders. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q533600dd252083144054","summary_en":"A participant asks whether an emergency stay and a 2106 filing can be pursued at the same time. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Bankruptcy and criminal linkage: Luc appointment, trusteeship freeze, and forfeiture sequencing","description":"Participants argue that bankruptcy proceedings are treated as a major side-channel for criminal linkage, with disputes over alter-ego theories, trustee roles, and perceived conflicts influencing forfeiture or liability inferences. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qf02c7ebc39e9f28a8f9a","q26f9586ba785ec9a6859","qd953d07353f956202783"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qf02c7ebc39e9f28a8f9a","summary_en":"A participant repeatedly references alter-ego framing as a key legal point. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q26f9586ba785ec9a6859","summary_en":"A participant says the government’s position is that the G entities and Union Farm form a fraud-and-laundering enterprise with Guo described as the leader. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qd953d07353f956202783","summary_en":"A participant says Luc has an obvious conflict-of-interest problem. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Victim restitution dispute: return rates interpreted as compensation, polarization, or influence","description":"Participants argue about how restitution-like returns are to be interpreted, with some treating payout rates as exculpatory context and others portraying them as inconsistent behavior linked to settlement dynamics or manipulation. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q89d7b398952ca8c3cc0a","qb18672dc012a6d6e0843","qf16b3ec7560da05d17df"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q89d7b398952ca8c3cc0a","summary_en":"A participant says a coin-based payment context involved returning attorney-fee amounts at a one-to-two ratio. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qb18672dc012a6d6e0843","summary_en":"A participant argues that substantive proof of guilt has not appeared and calls the case unusual because victims are actively trying to clear Guo. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf16b3ec7560da05d17df","summary_en":"A participant says government handling is portrayed as improper due to Luc/trustee conflicts and allegedly fake creditor-registration conduct in the criminal process. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Community governance and narrative expansion: vote distortion and coalition labeling","description":"Participants claim administrative controls and narrative labeling now dominate dispute escalation, with arguments over vote contamination, member management, and conspiracy framing expanding beyond purely legal facts. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q869ec06576083b54b616","qee20efb6fe7b885f314d","q1b8bd9fe45de22d2b621"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q869ec06576083b54b616","summary_en":"A participant says voting should be de-emphasized because administrators can add accounts to manipulate results and remove users due to platform design. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qee20efb6fe7b885f314d","summary_en":"A participant says a larger participant pool is better. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q1b8bd9fe45de22d2b621","summary_en":"A participant suggests insiders and prosecutors may coordinate protection, but that protection may not hold if prosecutorial interests change. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Legal counsel credibility crisis: attorney conduct, trust conflicts, and procedural patience questioned","description":"Participants dispute counsel credibility and strategic competence, raising claims that representation was avoided or inactive and that trustee conflicts undermine faith in procedural fairness. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q3909dd86d9495ec8d72f","q31ad73136160ff22e7b5","q1d466080910082e3d279"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q3909dd86d9495ec8d72f","summary_en":"A participant accuses Torres of having been allowed to avoid direct engagement. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q31ad73136160ff22e7b5","summary_en":"A participant says the defense figure has appeared inactive or passive for two months. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q1d466080910082e3d279","summary_en":"A participant flags a prior trustee-interest issue as still unresolved for community concern. Community statements, not court 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梦醒了才发现 不知不觉被打爆了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6d45d8d604c62ab2f627","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"qe279fc66fd7f6c1d847b","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":802,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-25T07:08:05.980Z","text":"以为就是一个简单诈骗rico案，检方辩方合作抢黑帮老大的资产","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe279fc66fd7f6c1d847b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"q5801394142ebe11c2f33","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":803,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-25T07:08:27.630Z","text":"她太轻敌了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qaf9b452a974086c76256","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5801394142ebe11c2f33","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaf9b452a974086c76256","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"qbecc25f79d1ded74ca16","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":804,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-25T07:09:06.045Z","text":"没有曼宁贼，看不清形势","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5801394142ebe11c2f33","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbecc25f79d1ded74ca16","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5801394142ebe11c2f33","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"qa762be960fe83b096d2c","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":805,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-25T07:09:42.069Z","text":"以为人人都是好欺负的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa762be960fe83b096d2c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"q9531cc3e071ff516ac73","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":806,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-25T07:09:54.371Z","text":"没办法，她是执行者，坏事儿就得她来","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbecc25f79d1ded74ca16","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9531cc3e071ff516ac73","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbecc25f79d1ded74ca16","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"q62effd35c026de914f63","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":807,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-25T07:10:48.505Z","text":"如果她智慧足够，这也是她的一个机会，显然她hold不住","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q62effd35c026de914f63","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"q4e6889698ae4427f242a","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":808,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-25T07:11:06.886Z","text":"屁酱的结局也提前写好了\n之前没少跟风Qmay，天天骂习，这下子好了，浦律能回后海，但屁酱没那个胆儿","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4e6889698ae4427f242a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"q332bfdf9aa27d1a21564","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":809,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-25T07:12:49.518Z","text":"她回去，如果没人动她，说明她就是一潜伏\n如果动她，说明青背后的主子，没斗过习，然后青手下的狗腿子们，就会散伙投诚","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q332bfdf9aa27d1a21564","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"qf1d9c3cb86c4994c03d8","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":810,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-25T07:13:37.502Z","text":"最近流行回墙内投诚，屁酱奔50的大妈了，也该考虑下晚年生活 ［用户 tia***］","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf1d9c3cb86c4994c03d8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"q0bd6daafe59714086668","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":811,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-25T07:17:00.541Z","text":"这是不是要清理门户，一勺会了，可能幕后换老板了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf1d9c3cb86c4994c03d8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0bd6daafe59714086668","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf1d9c3cb86c4994c03d8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"q0f71d9bd170045621ba8","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":812,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-25T07:18:37.549Z","text":"就是海外大外宣洗牌","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0bd6daafe59714086668","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0f71d9bd170045621ba8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0bd6daafe59714086668","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"qaf4c36a8d33ac440babc","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":813,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-25T07:20:03.842Z","text":"鸟 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joh***］ ［用户 reb***］ 你们的专业领域","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9f91dea49d2bd65436d9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"q6321758cbe67a095bf21","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":834,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-25T17:21:01.999Z","text":"这个和刑事案无关","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6321758cbe67a095bf21","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"q135e2b041b80e4e47753","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":835,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-25T17:21:08.389Z","text":"就是为了破产案的alter ego","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q135e2b041b80e4e47753","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"q840fea2cb71c9ef52921","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":836,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-25T17:23:31.458Z","text":"破产案债权人没有一个起诉luc的？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q840fea2cb71c9ef52921","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"qe3c27fa04f5084340e99","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":837,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-25T17:37:23.131Z","text":"这份文件是美国康涅狄格州破产法院于2026年5月22日签发的命令，标题为《修订后的命令：准许Chapter 11受托人依据联邦民事诉讼规则30(a)(2)(B)对郭文贵（Ho Wan Kwok / Miles Guo）进行证词询问（deposition）》。\n核心内容如下：\n法院批准Chapter 11受托人 Luc A. Despins 对郭文贵进行正式口供询问（deposition）。由于郭目前被关押在纽约布鲁克林MDC监狱，因此根据联邦规则，需要法院特别许可。\n询问地点将在布鲁克林MDC监狱内进行，具体时间由监狱、受托人以及郭文贵或其律师协调决定。法院命令监狱配合提供场地并安排郭出席。\n可参加此次询问的律师包括：\nPaul Hastings LLP（受托人律师）\n郭文贵刑事案件律师（SDNY 刑案 United States v. Miles Guo, 23 Cr. 118）\nGreen & Sklarz LLC 及 Lazare Potter Giacovas & Moyle LLP（某些被告方律师）�\n法院限制此次证词的用途： 目前只能用于三个即将开始的审判：\nACA Trial（2026年7月8日）\nHimalaya Trial（2026年7月22日）\nPure Global Trial（2026年8月5日）\n法院同时说明： 其他未参加这些初始审判的被告，将来仍可能申请再次对郭进行询问，但受托人保留反对权，认为某些当事人如果之前有机会介入却没有介入，则可能失去以后再次取证的资格。\n询问程序安排：\n先由受托人律师提问\n然后由被告方律师提问\n双方可进行追加询问（redirect / recross）\n询问方式：\n以口头方式进行\n可使用书记员记录、录像等方式保存\n允许普通话翻译在场\n也允许采用书面问题方式进行（Rule 31）\n法院最后保留后续执行、解释和争议处理的管辖权。\n整体来看，这是一项程序性命令，其目的主要是让破产受托人在相关“追回资产/欺诈转移/alter ego”诉讼审判前，对郭文贵进行正式取证，为后续审判准备证据。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe3c27fa04f5084340e99","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"q94dd23311148585e6dfe","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":838,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-25T17:39:09.684Z","text":"破产案2026年5月22日法庭同意luc质询郭和王的法庭命令","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q94dd23311148585e6dfe","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"qf02c7ebc39e9f28a8f9a","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":839,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-25T17:44:00.934Z","text":"alter ego的东西","edited":false,"reply_to":"q94dd23311148585e6dfe","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf02c7ebc39e9f28a8f9a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q94dd23311148585e6dfe","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"q3df0a7ce41045017ad1d","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":840,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-25T17:50:21.426Z","text":"［用户 joh***］  ［用户 reb***］ 评论一下","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3df0a7ce41045017ad1d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"qca4cd8c3012dcf44983e","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":841,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-25T17:52:49.780Z","text":"Himalaya trial 是什么？喜交所吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe3c27fa04f5084340e99","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qca4cd8c3012dcf44983e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe3c27fa04f5084340e99","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"qcaeaabebeee08a8b1906","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":842,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-25T17:53:21.420Z","text":"审谁的前？郭的破产案庭审吗？怎么还没审？都多少年了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcaeaabebeee08a8b1906","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"q442f4495cd86d48584ee","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":843,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-25T17:54:31.057Z","text":"Luc请求质询王艳平和郭文贵的动议（aca capital alter ego)","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q442f4495cd86d48584ee","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"qfe0099c7935a018acfff","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":844,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-25T17:55:07.605Z","text":"这份文件是破产受托人 Luc A. Despins 于2026年5月12日提交的正式动议（Motion），请求法院允许其对郭文贵（Ho Wan Kwok）和王雁平（Yanping “Yvette” Wang）进行 prison deposition（监狱口供取证）。\n\n核心内容如下：\n\n\n---\n\n一、动议的目的\n\n受托人请求法院依据联邦民事诉讼规则 Rule 30(a)(2)(B)：\n\n允许对目前被联邦监禁中的：\n\n郭文贵\n\n王雁平（Yvette Wang）\n\n\n进行正式 deposition（口供取证）。\n\n因为联邦规则规定：\n\n> 对在押犯人进行 deposition 必须先得到法院许可。\n\n\n\n\n---\n\n二、受托人为什么要取证\n\n受托人称：\n\n郭文贵和王雁平：\n\n对整个“壳公司体系”\n\n资产隐藏结构\n\n欺诈运作\n\nalter ego（替身/代持实体）\n\n资金转移\n\n\n具有“核心内部知识”。\n\n文件中特别指控：\n\n1. 郭文贵使用大量 alter ego 实体\n\n受托人称：\n\n> 郭利用“可能数百个”alter ego 实体来：\n\n\n\n隐藏资产\n\n转移资产\n\n逃避债权人追索。\n\n\n\n---\n\n2. 王雁平被描述为“chief lieutenant”（核心副手）\n\n受托人称：\n\n王雁平对相关结构也有深入了解\n\n并协助实施许多资产转移。\n\n\n\n---\n\n3. 这些证词对多个诉讼“高度相关”\n\n受托人称： 两人的证词与以下诉讼直接相关：\n\n(1) Omnibus Alter Ego Actions\n\n即：\n\n判定哪些公司或实体其实是郭的“替身”\n\n是否属于郭实际控制\n\n是否属于破产财产\n\n\n(2) Avoidance Actions\n\n即：\n\n追回资产\n\n撤销欺诈性转移\n\nclawback（追回转移财产）\n\n\n\n---\n\n三、ACA 与 AA Global 诉讼\n\n文件提到：\n\n2024年2月15日\n\n受托人提起：\n\n> Despins v. ACA Capital Group Ltd. et al. 案件号：24-05318。\n\n\n\n这说明： ACA Capital 已经成为正式 adversary proceeding（对抗诉讼）的对象。\n\n\n---\n\n2024年12月23日\n\n受托人又提起：\n\n> Despins v. AA Global Ventured Limited et al. 案件号：24-05322。\n\n\n\n\n---\n\n四、法院此前已经安排 trial\n\n文件提到：\n\n2026年4月22日， 法院已经发布：\n\nAlter Ego Actions 的 pretrial order\n\nAvoidance Actions 的 pretrial order\n\n\n并且：\n\n> deposition discovery 于2026年5月11日开始。\n\n\n\n说明： 这些案件已经进入正式审前取证阶段。\n\n\n---\n\n五、受托人的核心论点\n\n受托人强调：\n\n郭和王拥有最关键的内部信息\n\n没有人比他们更了解：\n\n公司控制结构\n\n资产隐藏方式\n\n转账安排\n\n资金流向\n\nalter ego 运作。\n\n\n\n因此：\n\n> 对他们进行 deposition 并不属于重复或过度负担的 discovery。\n\n\n\n\n---\n\n六、受托人此前尝试协调\n\n文件还说：\n\n受托人在正式申请前：\n\n已联系郭和王的律师\n\n希望律师接受 subpoena（传票送达）\n\n并协助安排 deposition。\n\n\n但律师表示：\n\n无法与其客户沟通并获得答复。\n\n\n\n---\n\n七、拟议命令内容\n\n附件中的 Proposed Orders 主要包括：\n\n对郭文贵：\n\n在布鲁克林MDC进行 deposition\n\n可录像、速记\n\n允许普通话翻译\n\n多方律师可参加。\n\n\n对王雁平：\n\n在阿拉巴马州 Aliceville 联邦监狱进行 deposition\n\n同样允许录像、翻译、律师参加。\n\n\n整体而言，这份文件显示： 受托人已经正式进入大规模审前 discovery 阶段，重点是通过郭文贵与王雁平的证词，建立：\n\nalter ego 控制关系、\n\n资产归属、\n\n欺诈转移、\n\n以及追回破产财产的证据链。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfe0099c7935a018acfff","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"q326f930d6b8005647318","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":845,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-25T17:56:33.139Z","text":"破产案一直都在扯皮","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcaeaabebeee08a8b1906","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q326f930d6b8005647318","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcaeaabebeee08a8b1906","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"q09a168c5a5bff27bf4a0","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":846,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-05-25T17:59:26.178Z","text":"我是奇怪怎么一直没上诉？原来连审都还没审吗？那LUC已经拍卖了那么多郭的资产","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q09a168c5a5bff27bf4a0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"q39d233266794e9ca83bd","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":847,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-25T17:59:48.244Z","text":"郭可能连破产律师都没有了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q09a168c5a5bff27bf4a0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q39d233266794e9ca83bd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q09a168c5a5bff27bf4a0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"qc7072a7e31a3029e4002","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":848,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-25T17:59:54.687Z","text":"［用户 him***］  郭还有破产律师吗","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc7072a7e31a3029e4002","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"qb4b5e0e4d481b3977794","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":849,"speaker":".an***","date":"2026-05-25T17:59:58.801Z","text":"又是一场硬仗！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb4b5e0e4d481b3977794","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"qef2c6f26b39858ac65d5","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":850,"speaker":".an***","date":"2026-05-25T18:01:08.881Z","text":"把luc拉到二巡","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qef2c6f26b39858ac65d5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"qeb7fd7fe70849bd4ed5f","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":851,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-25T18:02:11.601Z","text":"luc彻底凉凉","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeb7fd7fe70849bd4ed5f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"qff8012ef90d28d844013","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":852,"speaker":"wen***","date":"2026-05-25T18:03:17.402Z","text":"本想破产那边等刑案结果，没想到刑案玩不下去了，现在只好到破产这边找出口","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qff8012ef90d28d844013","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"q7d9bb55c0222522587cb","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":853,"speaker":".an***","date":"2026-05-25T18:04:19.166Z","text":"luc花了投资者的钱，而不是老郭的钱，看看如何打击luc。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7d9bb55c0222522587cb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"qbc371c4cb5deadb8376a","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":854,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-25T18:04:22.250Z","text":"多位被追债的人提起要参与质询的动议","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbc371c4cb5deadb8376a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"q9c4add1c71db13e4ce2c","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":855,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-25T18:04:29.272Z","text":"这份文件是多个被破产受托人起诉的被告，于2026年5月18日提交的“有限反对意见”（Limited Objection），针对受托人要求对郭文贵和王雁平进行 deposition（口供取证）的动议提出部分异议。\n\n核心内容如下：\n\n\n---\n\n一、谁提出了反对\n\n提出异议的是一大批被告（Objecting Defendants），包括：\n\nG Club International\n\nG Club Operations\n\nACASS Canada\n\nACASS U.S.A.\n\n多家律师事务所\n\n多家公司与个人实体等。\n\n\n这些人大多是：\n\navoidance actions（追回诉讼）\n\nalter ego actions（代持/替身实体诉讼）\n\n\n中的被告。\n\n\n---\n\n二、这些被告并不反对 deposition 本身\n\n这些被告明确表示：\n\n> 他们并不反对受托人对郭文贵和王雁平进行 deposition。\n\n\n\n他们甚至同意：\n\n郭文贵\n\n王雁平\n\n\n是这些诉讼中的“关键证人（critical witnesses）”。\n\n\n---\n\n三、他们为什么认为两人很关键\n\n这些被告指出：\n\n受托人的整个案件理论建立在：\n\n> 郭文贵通过大量 alleged alter egos（被指控的代持/替身实体） 进行了相关资产转移。\n\n\n\n因此：\n\n郭本人\n\n王雁平\n\n\n对这些转账、控制关系、公司结构拥有核心信息。\n\n\n---\n\n四、他们真正反对的是什么\n\n他们真正反对的是：\n\n受托人 proposed order 中的一段限制性语言。\n\n该语言规定：\n\n只有“合理数量（reasonable number）”的 avoidance action 被告律师可以参加 deposition， 而且还要受监狱规定限制。\n\n这些被告担心：\n\n> 这种措辞可能导致他们无法亲自参加 deposition 或无法提问。\n\n\n\n\n---\n\n五、他们要求什么\n\n这些被告要求法院明确：\n\n1. 允许他们参加 deposition\n\n他们要求：\n\n自己的律师能够出席\n\n能够对郭文贵与王雁平进行提问。\n\n\n\n---\n\n2. 允许就各自案件相关问题进行询问\n\n他们强调：\n\n> 必须允许他们询问与各自 avoidance action 有关的问题。\n\n\n\n\n---\n\n3. deposition 必须“保持开放”\n\n他们还请求法院明确：\n\n此次 deposition：\n\n必须保持 open（开放）\n\n如有必要可以持续多天\n\n以便每个被告都有机会询问。\n\n\n\n---\n\n六、这份文件透露出的重要信息\n\n这份文件实际上透露出几个重要点：\n\n（1）很多被告认为：\n\n郭和王是最核心事实证人\n\n因为： 整个 trustee 理论都围绕：\n\nalter ego\n\n实际控制\n\n资产转移\n\nnominee structures\n\n壳公司体系\n\n\n展开。\n\n\n---\n\n（2）这些被告希望利用 deposition 为自己辩护\n\n他们并不仅仅是配合受托人。\n\n相反： 他们希望亲自提问，以便：\n\n证明自己并非 alter ego\n\n证明转账合法\n\n证明自己不受郭控制\n\n或挑战 trustee 的理论。\n\n\n\n---\n\n（3）这也说明：\n\n很多关键事实尚未最终确定\n\n因为如果：\n\n“控制关系”\n\n“alter ego”\n\n“资产归属”\n\n\n已经完全明确， 通常不会如此强调必须亲自对郭进行长时间交叉询问。\n\n这说明： 很多事实问题仍在争议中，并将通过 discovery 与审判进一步厘清。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9c4add1c71db13e4ce2c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"q068ea2746d1c80f5d4d4","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":856,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-25T18:06:34.222Z","text":"✅ ✅ 这次质询有很多被追债的人也要参与，gclub之类的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q068ea2746d1c80f5d4d4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"qb01ed786878752a7f6d9","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":857,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-25T18:07:49.614Z","text":"所有g系列公司？包括gclub?","edited":false,"reply_to":"qca4cd8c3012dcf44983e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb01ed786878752a7f6d9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qca4cd8c3012dcf44983e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"q4f2b039cb46e2760c477","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":858,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-25T18:08:33.469Z","text":"刑事律师要参与质询","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc7072a7e31a3029e4002","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f2b039cb46e2760c477","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc7072a7e31a3029e4002","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"qdd341e152af77b7abbbf","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":859,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-25T18:08:41.354Z","text":"没有破产案的律师","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdd341e152af77b7abbbf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"q7912a59693aea274f5d0","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":860,"speaker":".an***","date":"2026-05-25T18:09:35.461Z","text":"看来629真的要推迟了。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7912a59693aea274f5d0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"qd1d5b7515ef1f41beaf0","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":861,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-25T18:09:46.332Z","text":"这次质询还很多其他人的律师也要参加","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd1d5b7515ef1f41beaf0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"q4650a95fcca7e3531345","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":862,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-25T18:10:22.211Z","text":"这些人也要问luc，郭和王问题","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4650a95fcca7e3531345","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"qa43a485b421a8dbacfa5","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":863,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-25T18:11:54.379Z","text":"还不收钱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa43a485b421a8dbacfa5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"q5bad746e3279072cafdf","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":864,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-25T18:12:10.339Z","text":"我觉得破产案终于开打了, luc到现在还没有确认g系列是郭的alter ego","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5bad746e3279072cafdf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"qb92dea8427b6010c88ef","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":865,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-25T18:12:28.398Z","text":"luc受托人都是不合法的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5bad746e3279072cafdf","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb92dea8427b6010c88ef","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5bad746e3279072cafdf","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"q7f5e8d2b5434439a3b20","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":866,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-25T18:14:59.497Z","text":"之前是因为没人捅给二巡","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7f5e8d2b5434439a3b20","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"qf85c4e28fc5e47aee356","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":867,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-25T18:15:03.481Z","text":"现在有人捅了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf85c4e28fc5e47aee356","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"qf8a56dffbf3c74438faa","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":868,"speaker":".an***","date":"2026-05-25T18:15:22.387Z","text":"luc代理的律师事务所与郭有利益冲突吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf8a56dffbf3c74438faa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"qc1d6a2a0842348412866","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":869,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-05-25T18:16:24.094Z","text":"是不是Luc认为他可以在破产案继续为所欲为，想逃避刑事案对他的传票、对他的欺诈的一个自保？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc1d6a2a0842348412866","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"qad637ea072d39d2d245f","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":870,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-25T18:17:11.780Z","text":"刑事案二巡出现luc的身份问题 luc继续装逼的风险极大 参照螺丝哥要求检方刑事调查luc luc就再也不敢在刑事案露头了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc1d6a2a0842348412866","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qad637ea072d39d2d245f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc1d6a2a0842348412866","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"qbd4ad26ebc1647373b8b","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":871,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-25T18:17:33.827Z","text":"螺丝哥 522 还是524","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbd4ad26ebc1647373b8b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"q01f73612aac049cea543","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":872,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-25T18:17:38.942Z","text":"要求检方刑事调查luc","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q01f73612aac049cea543","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"qe408766694c3daeb23d5","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":873,"speaker":".an***","date":"2026-05-25T18:17:48.605Z","text":"强烈要求郭的刑事案开听证会取证","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe408766694c3daeb23d5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"q82ba533a1b2f5d026407","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":874,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-25T18:18:34.236Z","text":"现在是luc想用刑事案的判决，证明g系列就是郭的alter ego","edited":false,"reply_to":"q09a168c5a5bff27bf4a0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q82ba533a1b2f5d026407","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q09a168c5a5bff27bf4a0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"qedc5881202ff3690c63b","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":875,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-25T18:18:50.996Z","text":"522","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbd4ad26ebc1647373b8b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qedc5881202ff3690c63b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbd4ad26ebc1647373b8b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"q38fea463eecf7b4b58c4","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":876,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-25T18:19:14.365Z","text":"我看清楚了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q38fea463eecf7b4b58c4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"q3981e74ad96e005240d2","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":877,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-25T18:19:22.081Z","text":"这帮搞法律的就他妈欺软怕硬","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3981e74ad96e005240d2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"q620d820877e48fa7d85f","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":878,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-25T18:19:30.906Z","text":"托雷斯尤其鸡贼","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q620d820877e48fa7d85f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"qeb77152b9d8cfa590d8b","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":879,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-25T18:19:33.545Z","text":"曼宁","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeb77152b9d8cfa590d8b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"qe026d3b56d6570e4082f","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":880,"speaker":".an***","date":"2026-05-25T18:19:37.131Z","text":"证明被检方扣压的钱都是战友们的投资款，是属于投资者的，不是老郭的。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe026d3b56d6570e4082f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"q925d9728966b9de56d21","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":881,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-25T18:19:44.565Z","text":"luc被螺丝哥打的头都不敢露","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q925d9728966b9de56d21","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"q307b649621eceac1dcc4","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":882,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-25T18:20:36.696Z","text":"这个思路只能证明你的钱不是老郭的 但检方可以说其他人的是老郭的。 所以需要倒过来。 检方和luc司法欺诈  你们搞的所有文件都不合法","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe026d3b56d6570e4082f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q307b649621eceac1dcc4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe026d3b56d6570e4082f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"q4d65ed26b9622aa46c4d","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":883,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-25T18:21:01.796Z","text":"luc在法庭上当众撒谎","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4d65ed26b9622aa46c4d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"q35a582284b852d6f4a41","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":884,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-25T18:21:23.065Z","text":"刑事案已经塌了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q35a582284b852d6f4a41","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"qbbd744dec25aa4876a31","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":885,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-25T18:21:29.080Z","text":"破产案也是很快的事","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbbd744dec25aa4876a31","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"q87ab6f52e9fb008e3fec","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":886,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-25T18:21:42.928Z","text":"luc这种鸡贼的人第一个会出卖同胞","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q87ab6f52e9fb008e3fec","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"qa7f5bfc7a51b6a73ad16","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":887,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-25T18:22:26.807Z","text":"螺丝哥的文件 写的一点都不烂 相反 写的那些搞法律的吓尿","edited":false,"reply_to":"qedc5881202ff3690c63b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa7f5bfc7a51b6a73ad16","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qedc5881202ff3690c63b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"q56234ea33567cb2cf181","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":888,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-25T18:22:37.677Z","text":"可以说是横空出世","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q56234ea33567cb2cf181","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"qd85ee890d9a019fdaa03","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":889,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-25T18:22:49.219Z","text":"托雷斯那个时候居然还给上传 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把Luc 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不合法","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3376a76548346e22dbd4","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0a7a565038acc5ccc8aa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"qaeb0574bd22b32aec05d","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":954,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-05-25T23:55:23.492Z","text":"但是有哪个自诉文件重点攻了这个吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0a7a565038acc5ccc8aa","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaeb0574bd22b32aec05d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0a7a565038acc5ccc8aa","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"q8d819d730d250a808605","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":955,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-25T23:55:44.578Z","text":"似乎是，刑事案用了破产案的一些没有作实的alter ego的证据把郭和g系列联系起来，抓捕郭，然后通过庭审让Rico成立，现在luc想用刑事案的Rico把破产案的alter 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关联上\n要通过破产案-刑事案-破产案\n目前中间在大乱斗，luc又不敢进刑事案，只能在破产案玩儿","edited":false,"reply_to":"q13bf4730e5ccf2aaa355","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ebfd9161bb70b1dd57b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q13bf4730e5ccf2aaa355","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"qde7ff82347828a8ac6d0","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":982,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-26T00:56:56.956Z","text":"检方说，受害者只能被检方代理，跟着检方叙事走，其他都是捣乱","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3b48c30d53575f3cfe6d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qde7ff82347828a8ac6d0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3b48c30d53575f3cfe6d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"q2af0e6405a0449b400fa","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":983,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-26T00:59:59.201Z","text":"对啊，luc和王是怎么搭上的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8ebfd9161bb70b1dd57b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2af0e6405a0449b400fa","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ebfd9161bb70b1dd57b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"q6e9e83ba9d2437d48535","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":984,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-26T01:00:13.916Z","text":"Luc的动议还说王是郭的副手","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6e9e83ba9d2437d48535","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"qce291ad911400e8bca4b","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":985,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-26T01:00:48.418Z","text":"luc是在装大尾巴狼\n阵势很大，但是心虚着呢","edited":false,"reply_to":"qad6779249ebaf2962f1a","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qce291ad911400e8bca4b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"q73e4805a71df2f73fa22","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":986,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-26T01:01:14.292Z","text":"都跟检方走，就去注册受害者好了，cvra动议是摆设吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"qde7ff82347828a8ac6d0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q73e4805a71df2f73fa22","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qde7ff82347828a8ac6d0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"qf506e0829625a6d8a529","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":987,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-26T01:02:49.091Z","text":"Luc目前破产案玩儿的这套，基础是刑事案的定罪，如果量刑不下来，他现在这些motion都是摆设而已","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf506e0829625a6d8a529","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"qfbe3d5e43be7d702136f","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":988,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-26T01:03:17.354Z","text":"简单说，是要把托雷斯架在火上烤死为止，牺牲她，成全破产案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfbe3d5e43be7d702136f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"qb40b9970fee83d56bec7","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":989,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-26T01:05:29.060Z","text":"托雷斯不想当牺牲品","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfbe3d5e43be7d702136f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb40b9970fee83d56bec7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfbe3d5e43be7d702136f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"q060e7d551d477fa6a15a","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":990,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-26T01:05:31.336Z","text":"这个是他参考刑事案第三版起诉书\n但是这个起诉书，又是参考luc破产案的起诉书","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6e9e83ba9d2437d48535","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q060e7d551d477fa6a15a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6e9e83ba9d2437d48535","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"qa28cfb38ed0e152d7e8c","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":991,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-05-26T01:07:47.188Z","text":"luc就是流氓，这个套路，和Fauci否定新冠实验室来源时，引用的论文，就是他自己参与写的，一样的套路","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa28cfb38ed0e152d7e8c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-00011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不能算在被告身上","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1b8bb94bc1298af9b3f7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"},{"id":"q026458ace4ce53e236be","batch_id":"batch-000113","seq":1000,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-05-26T01:17:03.019Z","text":"现在有个法庭文件可能15天左右在二巡立案的， 会把Luc， 检方， 张永兵 王雪冰 9指妖 打废了。看着吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q026458ace4ce53e236be","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000113"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000112","next_batch_id":"batch-000114"}