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就很难看了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdc819a07ed032ce896f1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000118"},{"id":"q06d33e64a506b2385a7c","batch_id":"batch-000118","seq":26,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-12T14:35:01.381Z","text":"上次检方说受害者不能影响量刑的意思其实就是，受害人动议不上传这件事情不足以stay量刑","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q06d33e64a506b2385a7c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000118"},{"id":"q809068f5e548aca9d5d8","batch_id":"batch-000118","seq":27,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-12T14:35:39.660Z","text":"所以你就要证明，你的动议不上传，对这个案子是有很大影响的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q809068f5e548aca9d5d8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000118"},{"id":"qa3462b32d42cd98f13a7","batch_id":"batch-000118","seq":28,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-12T14:36:06.497Z","text":"对你的权利是有很大影响的，会造成不可逆的伤害","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa3462b32d42cd98f13a7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000118"},{"id":"q0847dc18eff1e419cb52","batch_id":"batch-000118","seq":29,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-12T14:36:25.253Z","text":"二巡只管程序是不是正义","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0847dc18eff1e419cb52","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000118"},{"id":"q2c92267ef7da821e55a6","batch_id":"batch-000118","seq":30,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-06-12T14:37:50.173Z","text":"具体细节不知道。它们要选择性呈现的是投资者的钱在多个实体转来转去最后用到了郭的家人。那些钱是谁故意往往那些地方乱转，它们也没有证明，实际上，做了资金追踪后，用到家人的钱可能全是是家族基金的钱。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdf2b51919fe6111e1868","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2c92267ef7da821e55a6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdf2b51919fe6111e1868","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000118"},{"id":"q86540cb939380e6cde50","batch_id":"batch-000118","seq":31,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-12T14:38:41.888Z","text":"二巡的命令里，说的是这些都是关于没收的事情，所以可以量刑之后再上传","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q86540cb939380e6cde50","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000118"},{"id":"q7a016d42617408eb8f43","batch_id":"batch-000118","seq":32,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-12T14:38:47.188Z","text":"［用户 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您什么时候与二巡沟通的呀？我可是昨天打的电话","edited":true,"reply_to":"q6b3b9e4cce56f78f6586","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa3114e4932d7c1f009cd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6b3b9e4cce56f78f6586","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000118"},{"id":"q693de28b5ce0a3180008","batch_id":"batch-000118","seq":43,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-12T14:41:07.863Z","text":"没和二巡沟通，二巡的命令这样写的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa3114e4932d7c1f009cd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q693de28b5ce0a3180008","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa3114e4932d7c1f009cd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000118"},{"id":"q57e40bb3f22148f78342","batch_id":"batch-000118","seq":44,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-12T14:41:30.190Z","text":"二巡说，自诉人提到的都是关于没收的事情","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q57e40bb3f22148f78342","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000118"},{"id":"qc83eff88854298953815","batch_id":"batch-000118","seq":45,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-06-12T14:41:50.966Z","text":"您比我一个法庭文件上了二巡的还了解二巡的文件？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc83eff88854298953815","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000118"},{"id":"qb7cbfe97249640a67883","batch_id":"batch-000118","seq":46,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-12T14:42:02.998Z","text":"如果地区法院在量刑之后还不裁决，可以重新提交强制令","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb7cbfe97249640a67883","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000118"},{"id":"q023b7e206ed540f5ff51","batch_id":"batch-000118","seq":47,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-12T14:42:19.081Z","text":"二巡的命令你没看吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc83eff88854298953815","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q023b7e206ed540f5ff51","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc83eff88854298953815","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000118"},{"id":"qa977d86abb28f10ef389","batch_id":"batch-000118","seq":48,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-06-12T14:42:26.365Z","text":"我参加过Gclub的游船活动，用的ladymay 2","edited":false,"reply_to":"q361b7a679beb0285a8e0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa977d86abb28f10ef389","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q361b7a679beb0285a8e0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000118"},{"id":"qb1d2158b5673ff869586","batch_id":"batch-000118","seq":49,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-12T14:42:32.024Z","text":"需要提交二巡动议，才知道吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb1d2158b5673ff869586","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000118"},{"id":"q2cd7b2ea6c8c35aa5927","batch_id":"batch-000118","seq":50,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-06-12T14:42:57.390Z","text":"看了 我的理解与您不一样","edited":false,"reply_to":"q023b7e206ed540f5ff51","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2cd7b2ea6c8c35aa5927","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q023b7e206ed540f5ff51","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000118"},{"id":"q7291d63f19dddd5bc02a","batch_id":"batch-000118","seq":51,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-12T14:43:04.022Z","text":"你是怎么理解的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2cd7b2ea6c8c35aa5927","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7291d63f19dddd5bc02a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2cd7b2ea6c8c35aa5927","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000118"},{"id":"q0e0afdd16317e6a86c7c","batch_id":"batch-000118","seq":52,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-06-12T14:43:26.064Z","text":"金钱判决和没收分开进行，不符合本案的实际。所有权裁定的结果不同，金钱判决会不同，所以金钱判决一定要在所有权裁决以后进行。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0e0afdd16317e6a86c7c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000118"},{"id":"q3a5992a8674ee7a41404","batch_id":"batch-000118","seq":53,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-12T14:43:29.772Z","text":"游艇的保养费，说是ACA capital转过去的\n但可以转的就是家族基金old money\n检方一口咬定，是挪用投资款，耍无赖","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa977d86abb28f10ef389","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3a5992a8674ee7a41404","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa977d86abb28f10ef389","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000118"},{"id":"qb47772d2c98d2b838b61","batch_id":"batch-000118","seq":54,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-06-12T14:44:30.912Z","text":"ladymay 2 与1， 与那2.3m 保养费的关系？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa977d86abb28f10ef389","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb47772d2c98d2b838b61","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa977d86abb28f10ef389","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000118"},{"id":"q4404656685327cec7ba2","batch_id":"batch-000118","seq":55,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-12T14:45:11.734Z","text":"这个细节不用纠结","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb47772d2c98d2b838b61","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4404656685327cec7ba2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb47772d2c98d2b838b61","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000118"},{"id":"qc804a4db89b788d60c36","batch_id":"batch-000118","seq":56,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-12T14:45:38.801Z","text":"所以自诉人必须证明，量刑前不上传动议，不裁决动议，对这个案子和自诉人本人会造成不可逆的伤害","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0e0afdd16317e6a86c7c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc804a4db89b788d60c36","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0e0afdd16317e6a86c7c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000118"},{"id":"qe656916707b544a7e946","batch_id":"batch-000118","seq":57,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-12T14:45:53.312Z","text":"现在二巡没有意识到这点","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe656916707b544a7e946","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000118"},{"id":"qde3d55d6e715d5b5c545","batch_id":"batch-000118","seq":58,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-12T14:46:33.825Z","text":"那就直接打没收的合理性\n没收源自王案，因为Tony，资金混同的问题还没解决呢","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0e0afdd16317e6a86c7c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qde3d55d6e715d5b5c545","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0e0afdd16317e6a86c7c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000118"},{"id":"qd360472a7ee870a56e6d","batch_id":"batch-000118","seq":59,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-12T14:47:07.890Z","text":"二巡现在还认为，没收可以在量刑之后发生","edited":false,"reply_to":"qde3d55d6e715d5b5c545","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd360472a7ee870a56e6d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qde3d55d6e715d5b5c545","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000118"},{"id":"q24f5249169cf9869c934","batch_id":"batch-000118","seq":60,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-12T14:47:26.367Z","text":"现在不裁决受害人动议，是合理的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q24f5249169cf9869c934","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000118"},{"id":"q1b740c7ba8059b318293","batch_id":"batch-000118","seq":61,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-06-12T14:47:37.431Z","text":"Tony在那次stay里说了这个事。不知道二巡那些法官，要论证到什么程度，才能认可，命令地区法院量刑之前裁决是合适的。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc804a4db89b788d60c36","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1b740c7ba8059b318293","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc804a4db89b788d60c36","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000118"},{"id":"qc7955b717f327b39e758","batch_id":"batch-000118","seq":62,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-12T14:48:11.059Z","text":"所以需要不停的论证，告诉二巡这个问题","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1b740c7ba8059b318293","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc7955b717f327b39e758","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1b740c7ba8059b318293","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000118"},{"id":"qfdee3191a2abe65d3e61","batch_id":"batch-000118","seq":63,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-12T14:48:21.340Z","text":"王案没收垮了，郭案没法量刑","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd360472a7ee870a56e6d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfdee3191a2abe65d3e61","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd360472a7ee870a56e6d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000118"},{"id":"q7cea0ead3579d85395b9","batch_id":"batch-000118","seq":64,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-12T14:48:54.443Z","text":"之前检方打自诉人，意思也是，说这些动议对量刑没有影响","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7cea0ead3579d85395b9","reply_url":null,"reply_lab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王案不可能没收了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc1ff9db34ec60284faf8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa852ec8d39a5dbcd135a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc1ff9db34ec60284faf8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000118"},{"id":"q65807ef9dbe714b05b39","batch_id":"batch-000118","seq":73,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-12T14:51:47.981Z","text":"如果他们没明白，就需要你说明白","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdb6623dcc16592cb1d2d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q65807ef9dbe714b05b39","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdb6623dcc16592cb1d2d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000118"},{"id":"q9e3f9a9ecb21bf628f5b","batch_id":"batch-000118","seq":74,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-12T14:51:53.125Z","text":"二巡还有luc诉郭美的案子","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4c0b70803e9513f722cd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e3f9a9ecb21bf628f5b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4c0b70803e9513f722cd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000118"},{"id":"q1d99f2fbc0d1cab175e6","batch_id":"batch-000118","seq":75,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-12T14:52:01.367Z","text":"如果他们明白，装糊涂，也需要你说明白","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1d99f2fbc0d1cab175e6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000118"},{"id":"q479184a6995c5adbb9cc","batch_id":"batch-000118","seq":76,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-12T14:52:12.499Z","text":"郭美的案子就是坑","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9e3f9a9ecb21bf628f5b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q479184a6995c5adbb9cc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e3f9a9ecb21bf628f5b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000118"},{"id":"q94f8f0d234255a37c6af","batch_id":"batch-000118","seq":77,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-12T14:52:19.726Z","text":"郭美是来坑爹的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q94f8f0d234255a37c6af","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000118"},{"id":"q4bf57920e40172265db0","batch_id":"batch-000118","seq":78,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-12T14:52:25.834Z","text":"坑不坑无所谓\nluc出现在二巡了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q479184a6995c5adbb9cc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4bf57920e40172265db0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q479184a6995c5adbb9cc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000118"},{"id":"q91263107985f14cbb2a2","batch_id":"batch-000118","seq":79,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-12T14:52:41.112Z","text":"不要指望郭美了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4bf57920e40172265db0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q91263107985f14cbb2a2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4bf57920e40172265db0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000118"},{"id":"qe5d4ae874d207eead4ac","batch_id":"batch-000118","seq":80,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-12T14:52:46.108Z","text":"郭美就是坑","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe5d4ae874d207eead4ac","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000118"},{"id":"qfa0d767fd1484333ad1c","batch_id":"batch-000118","seq":81,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-12T14:53:14.077Z","text":"郭美的案子，luc完胜","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfa0d767fd1484333ad1c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000118"},{"id":"qf4c5e54ced19f14c7346","batch_id":"batch-000118","seq":82,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-06-12T14:53:18.063Z","text":"看来没希望了Himan？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf4c5e54ced19f14c7346","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000118"},{"id":"q6d268f7c7b59be9478d4","batch_id":"batch-000118","seq":83,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-12T14:53:34.334Z","text":"luc诉郭美，也是绑定郭的刑事案\n还是玩儿alter ego那套","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6d268f7c7b59be9478d4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000118"},{"id":"q193bd2b9427d9e1a48e4","batch_id":"batch-000118","seq":84,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-12T14:53:44.209Z","text":"我说过没希望了吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf4c5e54ced19f14c7346","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q193bd2b9427d9e1a48e4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf4c5e54ced19f14c7346","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000118"},{"id":"q6b55f5cfcc5ffe0dcd43","batch_id":"batch-000118","seq":85,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-12T14:53:52.540Z","text":"不打鸡血就是没希望了？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6b55f5cfcc5ffe0dcd43","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000118"},{"id":"q71010c7d471c63703fdd","batch_id":"batch-000118","seq":86,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-12T14:54:18.477Z","text":"实事求是，就是没希望了？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q71010c7d471c63703fdd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000118"},{"id":"q564193ca45acddaeecd3","batch_id":"batch-000118","seq":87,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-12T14:55:00.861Z","text":"不是的 beginning意思是，郭美案子输了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q71010c7d471c63703fdd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q564193ca45acddaeecd3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q71010c7d471c63703fdd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000118"},{"id":"q285b598e24d83dd28dda","batch_id":"batch-000118","seq":88,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-12T14:55:16.223Z","text":"郭美的案子有啥希望？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q564193ca45acddaeecd3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q285b598e24d83dd28dda","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q564193ca45acddaeecd3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000118"},{"id":"q0dcff3fe69a489cf0b2b","batch_id":"batch-000118","seq":89,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-12T14:55:26.522Z","text":"二巡命令都说的那么狠了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0dcff3fe69a489cf0b2b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000118"},{"id":"qa0cc65fa9dbc7d3f6e30","batch_id":"batch-000118","seq":90,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-12T14:55:28.379Z","text":"不过我的意见是，至少luc被拉到了二巡","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa0cc65fa9dbc7d3f6e30","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000118"},{"id":"q382c40add505351ce8cb","batch_id":"batch-000118","seq":91,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-12T14:56:02.249Z","text":"把luc拉到二巡，就赢了？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa0cc65fa9dbc7d3f6e30","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q382c40add505351ce8cb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa0cc65fa9dbc7d3f6e30","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000118"},{"id":"q0ff5217ccafaed140fca","batch_id":"batch-000118","seq":92,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-12T14:56:14.726Z","text":"二巡里，郭刑事案里关于luc的事\n对郭美有帮助","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0ff5217ccafaed140fca","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000118"},{"id":"q23595813d5dd17bf743c","batch_id":"batch-000118","seq":93,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-12T14:56:43.606Z","text":"郭美的案子是关于hk的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0ff5217ccafaed140fca","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q23595813d5dd17bf743c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0ff5217ccafaed140fca","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000118"},{"id":"q2e2bbeaea04e02a6b174","batch_id":"batch-000118","seq":94,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-06-12T14:56:47.041Z","text":"你们等着瑞恩拔Luc的皮","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2e2bbeaea04e02a6b174","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000118"},{"id":"qe10d1326850c3c04dad7","batch_id":"batch-000118","seq":95,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-12T14:56:57.062Z","text":"这个没关系，和g系列没关系","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe10d1326850c3c04dad7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000118"},{"id":"qace43f1ec740649183c4","batch_id":"batch-000118","seq":96,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-12T14:57:18.619Z","text":"郭美二巡输了，对郭案很不利","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0ff5217ccafaed140fca","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qace43f1ec740649183c4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0ff5217ccafaed140fca","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000118"},{"id":"q2b45b9b684fe6fae7f9b","batch_id":"batch-000118","seq":97,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-12T14:57:36.072Z","text":"但是hk还不是g系列的核心","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2b45b9b684fe6fae7f9b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000118"},{"id":"qed0b74315250c451bfe3","batch_id":"batch-000118","seq":98,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-12T14:57:45.141Z","text":"所以也没什么太大关系","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qed0b74315250c451bfe3","reply_url":null,"re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说反了\n真的影响很大，青们早发小作文了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qace43f1ec740649183c4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdf62a4ce392353e18612","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qace43f1ec740649183c4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000118"},{"id":"q4704d8796572e64ebf94","batch_id":"batch-000118","seq":100,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-12T14:58:23.537Z","text":"发什么小作文了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdf62a4ce392353e18612","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4704d8796572e64ebf94","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdf62a4ce392353e18612","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000118"},{"id":"q5c8fc546d402508b6db7","batch_id":"batch-000118","seq":101,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-06-12T14:58:48.231Z","text":"根据《联邦刑事诉讼规则》第32.2条，当政府已确立犯罪行为与特定财产之间必要的关联时，法院必须在量刑前“作出初步没收令”（Fed. R. Crim. P. 32.2(b)(1)(A)）。然而，在第三方权利得到充分裁决之前，法院不得发布最终没收令——至关重要的是，也不得发布任何与争议资产所有权挂钩的赔偿令或金钱判决（参见 21 U.S.C. § 853(n)(7) [“法院应根据其裁定修改没收令”]；Fed. R. Crim. P. 32.2(c)(2)）。\n\n尽管从技术上讲，法院可以将最终没收令与金钱处罚分离开来，但这一程序性选择并不允许法院作出这样的金钱判决：其事实依据（即损失金额和受害者人数）所涉及的资产，其所有权归属在 § 853(n) 程序中仍处于激烈的争议之中。一旦金钱判决被纳入最终判决，终局性原则将极大地限制法院日后修改该判决的能力；即使随后的 § 853(n) 程序得出的结论与该判决中包含的损失数额不符，情况亦是如此。\n\nB. 判决的终局性造成了不可逆转的不利后果。\n\n正如第二巡回上诉法院所确认的，刑事判决是一项具有重大排除效力的终局判决（参见 *Pepper v. United States*, 562 U.S. 476, 507 (2011)）。如果量刑前调查报告（PSR）中包含并经量刑时采纳的损失计算及受害者人数，被证明与 § 853(n) 附带程序的结果不一致，那么法院在进行任何实质性更正时将面临严峻的现实和法律障碍。届时，该金钱判决将成为定罪判决中具有执行效力的一部分，从而决定赔偿义务、罚金计算以及量刑指南规定的刑期幅度。 若后续依据 § 853(n) 作出的裁定认定资产所有权状况不支持量刑时所依据的损失数额，则除非通过某种机制（例如依据 28 U.S.C. § 2255 提出的动议并获准——而此类动议本身既难以获得，又涉及繁重的程序负担），否则无法推翻原先确立的那些事实认定。\n\n这种结构上的不可逆性符合申请暂缓执行时所要求的“不可弥补的损害”这一标准；参见 *Nken v. Holder*, 556 U.S. 418, 434 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