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郭 王 余","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q61c5856ab0b93be98761","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qca5a60f86375b6106585","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":88,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-15T01:06:53.291Z","text":"签免起诉协议，必须是你对检方有用","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qca5a60f86375b6106585","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q64dd15caa859cca79d96","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":89,"speaker":"wen***","date":"2026-06-15T01:06:55.072Z","text":"不签为什么不起诉他们呢？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q19f08dc79729a258552d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64dd15caa859cca79d96","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q19f08dc79729a258552d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q34da514c4c5557d677fc","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":90,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-15T01:07:07.901Z","text":"不然检方不会和你签的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q34da514c4c5557d677fc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q91d0b9d66720f2e022da","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":91,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-15T01:07:24.538Z","text":"前面说了 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不提其他农场\n这几个足以构建起叙事闭环","edited":false,"reply_to":"qca5a60f86375b6106585","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q91d0b9d66720f2e022da","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qca5a60f86375b6106585","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q1c34cf1b55eb92fb7326","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":92,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-15T01:07:26.891Z","text":"可能在等郭案结束，再起诉这些人","edited":false,"reply_to":"q64dd15caa859cca79d96","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1c34cf1b55eb92fb7326","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64dd15caa859cca79d96","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q6009284bca6639ad365e","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":93,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-15T01:07:47.216Z","text":"也有可能永远就不起诉了，因为检方的目标是郭","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6009284bca6639ad365e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q3c86b75c3a2c57db7033","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":94,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-15T01:07:56.837Z","text":"也不等于他们签了协议啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3c86b75c3a2c57db7033","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qf99c722c14da38c50cac","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":95,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-15T01:08:29.945Z","text":"签什么免起诉协议，就是青藤联盟造的谣吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf99c722c14da38c50cac","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q9f4b92bb92d150d7799b","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":96,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-15T01:08:55.826Z","text":"李娅 庭审记录是有的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf99c722c14da38c50cac","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9f4b92bb92d150d7799b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf99c722c14da38c50cac","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qac48f739495fdec4c3d0","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":97,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-06-15T01:08:58.953Z","text":"可以保留事实陈述，把人名和详细地址涂黑，地址留到省份。既对各方施加压力，又能鼓舞那些有证据还没上庭的人。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6f19f6a0a45ae939f7c4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qac48f739495fdec4c3d0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6f19f6a0a45ae939f7c4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qc9b0e80dd229ee49e538","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":98,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-15T01:09:09.587Z","text":"对啊，如果签了，估计会有记录吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9f4b92bb92d150d7799b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc9b0e80dd229ee49e538","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9f4b92bb92d150d7799b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qc44b3a6e2d13283da608","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":99,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-15T01:09:26.339Z","text":"也许没有，我不太清楚","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc44b3a6e2d13283da608","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qc51c9036bcc0b56a1264","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":100,"speaker":"wen***","date":"2026-06-15T01:13:21.953Z","text":"我认为他们有没有免起诉协议不重要，只要证明他们是独立操作并不受郭控制就行","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc51c9036bcc0b56a1264","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q3fc0aa0818beb9c81075","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":101,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-15T01:14:04.045Z","text":"不一定","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc9b0e80dd229ee49e538","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3fc0aa0818beb9c81075","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc9b0e80dd229ee49e538","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qfcfb922fb41f7706f586","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":102,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-15T01:14:18.780Z","text":"比如王燕平和检方的协议","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfcfb922fb41f7706f586","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q84ea35c892acccd2ad2e","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":103,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-15T01:14:25.993Z","text":"具体内容看不到","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q84ea35c892acccd2ad2e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q8cfed18789d047427863","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":104,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-15T01:18:37.101Z","text":"王艳平的plea deal是法庭文件上说了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfcfb922fb41f7706f586","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8cfed18789d047427863","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfcfb922fb41f7706f586","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q77b10484faf7d98329a1","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":105,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-06-15T01:18:54.498Z","text":"七月八日的庭审，文件448。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5f4ccd7eae0bb7278f65","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q77b10484faf7d98329a1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f4ccd7eae0bb7278f65","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qb63ca84c13bce5de1d94","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":106,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-06-15T01:21:29.343Z","text":"就是要开示证据，公开政府查到的与钱有关的材料。如果没有调查，说明不去调查的理由。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb9e6d915d718f694bac0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb63ca84c13bce5de1d94","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb9e6d915d718f694bac0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qd42cea7a0d81cbac83cd","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":107,"speaker":"lui***","date":"2026-06-15T01:22:31.850Z","text":"偽聯盟現在一個勁地拉扯郭先生於他們的聯繫，又是電話又是見面各種信息都要證明受到郭先生的影響和控制，郭先生說過他們會穿著你的衣服說著你的話⋯⋯\n檢方只要調查這些到底有沒有受到郭控制就知道他們的證詞可信度","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc51c9036bcc0b56a1264","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd42cea7a0d81cbac83cd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc51c9036bcc0b56a1264","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q2d62082eb594d85102fd","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":108,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-06-15T01:24:57.760Z","text":"被法院认定的，都是签了，检方主张但没被法院认定的，不知道签没签。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q19f08dc79729a258552d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2d62082eb594d85102fd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q19f08dc79729a258552d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q798a87c45c6e1ea49a3c","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":109,"speaker":"wen***","date":"2026-06-15T01:25:14.724Z","text":"这个检方很容易调查的，为什么不做，到现在青联盟还在玩这手","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd42cea7a0d81cbac83cd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q798a87c45c6e1ea49a3c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd42cea7a0d81cbac83cd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q1ee09a041e1e9cd61758","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":110,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-06-15T01:26:22.365Z","text":"没签是检方做得更不对。我们就是根据庭审文件得出结论，没什么问题。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf394c2c04715e781f6dc","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1ee09a041e1e9cd61758","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q7b4d312432fb6935b799","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":111,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-15T01:26:27.644Z","text":"庭上作证的是木兰，凯琳，这些人已经不说话了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd42cea7a0d81cbac83cd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7b4d312432fb6935b799","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd42cea7a0d81cbac83cd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q2494af39f2c95a92a9a8","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":112,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-15T01:26:28.493Z","text":"庭上作证的证人，现在根本不说话","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2494af39f2c95a92a9a8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qaea448bc61e37a22ec36","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":113,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-15T01:26:30.128Z","text":"包括长岛也不说话了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaea448bc61e37a22ec36","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qd0debeeb81989dfce686","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":114,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-15T01:26:31.420Z","text":"现在说话的这些就是青藤ava还有张勇兵","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd0debeeb81989dfce686","reply_url":nu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谁说谁负责吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd87b2bdabedc9518c50b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qc06ee59105c527561ecc","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":121,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-15T01:31:23.015Z","text":"张永兵 胆子够大\n感觉也是死士\n最后会被无害化处理","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd0debeeb81989dfce686","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc06ee59105c527561ecc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd0debeeb81989dfce686","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q6c63a2ae402e66dff2c4","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":122,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-15T01:31:51.278Z","text":"张勇兵是唯一一个法庭文件列表里的共谋犯","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc06ee59105c527561ecc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6c63a2ae402e66dff2c4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc06ee59105c527561ecc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q1c0f744626a7659ae872","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":123,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-15T01:32:00.262Z","text":"还在说话做事的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1c0f744626a7659ae872","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q5b1ebcaa52e9d0a0a80e","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":124,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-15T01:32:56.528Z","text":"[删节：成员身份]说，张手里，有100多假政庇\n估计大部分是农场主骨干的","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5b1ebcaa52e9d0a0a80e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q89e8ba7ccbe6f89f9fdc","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":125,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-15T01:35:43.671Z","text":"长岛应该也是政庇 张给办的吧🤣 \n这些人，要么闭嘴，要么配合青演戏","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q89e8ba7ccbe6f89f9fdc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q7dd64eba42d89b849e83","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":126,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-15T01:36:04.964Z","text":"MDC外面的，应该就是这些","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7dd64eba42d89b849e83","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qcf6ff8b1ecd85cd5cd4d","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":127,"speaker":"wen***","date":"2026-06-15T01:36:08.718Z","text":"到现在托雷斯还没动静，她想干什么？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf6ff8b1ecd85cd5cd4d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q8484e59d86bb26979fce","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":128,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-15T01:37:29.820Z","text":"她在想办法","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcf6ff8b1ecd85cd5cd4d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8484e59d86bb26979fce","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf6ff8b1ecd85cd5cd4d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qdbeea085bc77c22f3859","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":129,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-15T01:37:40.712Z","text":"找破绽","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdbeea085bc77c22f3859","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q3df588280280b0000f83","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":130,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-06-15T01:37:51.587Z","text":"就是有证据，在自己的文件里在伪证罪下的陈述可以是证词，你美国政府有本事去调查我说的不是事实。证据不足和明知虚假却依然陈述是两回事。美国政府干的是后者，我们根据法庭文件得出结论，是合理主张。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2be1eea2a881829cad01","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3df588280280b0000f83","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2be1eea2a881829cad01","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qa33f3955fd1ab1debe4d","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":131,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-15T01:38:19.930Z","text":"你不用说服我","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3df588280280b0000f83","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa33f3955fd1ab1debe4d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3df588280280b0000f83","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q1568bd5d1812ccde4ebd","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":132,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-15T01:38:23.357Z","text":"我也不是法官","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1568bd5d1812ccde4ebd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qa64f75d9033b95ea2652","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":133,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-06-15T01:38:31.659Z","text":"因为你在接我的话。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa33f3955fd1ab1debe4d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa64f75d9033b95ea2652","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa33f3955fd1ab1debe4d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q9bb804e36d37755c0db5","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":134,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-15T01:41:03.975Z","text":"郭的motion提了魏 夏 要他们把钱还给刑事案","edited":false,"reply_to":"qec4162a3bada34dee8e7","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9bb804e36d37755c0db5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q07f7c354b1471269baca","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":135,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-06-15T01:41:30.443Z","text":"政府须提供与李亚、张永兵、夏启东、王学斌及其他符合以下条件的个人所达成的完整协议——包括不予起诉协议、合作协议、暂缓起诉协议或任何其他结案安排：(a) 在任何“G系列”实体、“喜马拉雅农场联盟”或其下属任何农场组织中担任高管、董事、实益所有者或掌握运营控制权；以及 (b) 被政府认定为涉案共谋行为的参与者，但未被起诉，或虽被起诉但随后获得的处置结果以配合政府为条件，从而免予起诉或减轻了起诉力度。对于此类个人，所提供的材料必须包含其进行刑事认罪或承认事实的完整事实依据，其中包括针对任何洗钱指控所提出的具体事实前提，以便评估“上游特定非法活动”这一构成要件是独立确立的，还是仅仅源于受托人关于“同一人格”（alter ego）且未经司法裁定的主张。\n除上述内容外，政府还须提供一份完整的资金明细，列出上述每一位个人（无论其是否为合作协议的当事方）在管理任何“G系列”实体或农场组织期间，已知或有合理理由相信其已收到、保留、挪用或从中获益的所有资金。据请愿人理解，本案中的初步没收令仅通过笼统声称“已在可行范围内尽力追回”来处理巨额资金无法追回的问题。这种说法在法律上是不充分的。那些资金流入了“G系列”实体和农场组织的投资者——其损失构成了针对被告作出的金钱判决的基础——有权获知具体细节：哪些反共（anti-CCP）表演者保留了投资者资金；保留金额为多少；通过何种机制保留；以及为何政府——既拥有对这些个人的刑事管辖权，又掌握着不予起诉安排这一筹码——却未将退还这些资金作为任何合作安排的条件，也未采取独立追回行动。\n政府有权将“上缴非法所得”作为不予起诉的条件。如果政府选择不对保留了投资者资金的某位反共表演者行使这一权力，则必须向法院及资金被保留的投资者披露该决定。 尽管政府声称追回工作已穷尽一切手段，但对于那些已计入针对被告的金钱判决金额、而目前去向却未予披露的资金，这种未披露行为构成了案卷记录中的一项重大遗漏；该遗漏直接关系到没收与赔偿裁定的可靠性及公正性。\n该动议第五部分所提出的证据开示请求基于以下原则：政府既拥有调查权，又掌握通过合作协议及不起诉安排所形成的合同制约力，足以迫使涉案内部人员就其持有的投资者资金作出说明。若政府选择不要求此类资金说明，或选择不追回由配合调查的内部人员留存的资金，则不能仅凭“已在切实可行范围内进行追索”这一笼统主张来回应此类选择；这属于一项具体且有据可查的决策，并对特定投资者产生了具体且有据可查的后果。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q07f7c354b1471269baca","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qb02a48bf4ea7f60de7a3","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":136,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-15T01:41:32.072Z","text":"魏和检方也有协议","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7393c887e98b1105ec01","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb02a48bf4ea7f60de7a3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qcb0d4e519500c8bd62f6","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":137,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-15T01:42:26.586Z","text":"魏也是共谋 主要涉及VOG和GTV\n检方要没收GTV \n那魏那里的，检方为什么不要","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcb0d4e519500c8bd62f6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q1f5abff3ed286759ab47","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":138,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-15T01:43:03.062Z","text":"那你咋知道魏和检方有协议","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcb0d4e519500c8bd62f6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1f5abff3ed286759ab47","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcb0d4e519500c8bd62f6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q992c4e15db85580bfe03","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":139,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-15T01:43:29.017Z","text":"参考李娅庭审\n她涉及的几个项目，公司，都免起诉","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1f5abff3ed286759ab47","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q992c4e15db85580bfe03","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1f5abff3ed286759ab47","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q72ff605f5e91c88569ed","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":140,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-15T01:43:44.276Z","text":"李亚和魏有什么关系","edited":false,"reply_to":"q992c4e15db85580bfe03","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q72ff605f5e91c88569ed","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q992c4e15db85580bfe03","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q95080d7dd45c86ad6aa9","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":141,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-15T01:44:25.655Z","text":"除非法庭文件上明确说了，他们有免起诉协议，不然都是猜","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q95080d7dd45c86ad6aa9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q35fd637d3cd2287c58ff","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":142,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-15T01:44:38.388Z","text":"庭审时检方不动共谋魏\n没收开启，不动魏那里的GTV投资","edited":false,"reply_to":"q72ff605f5e91c88569ed","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q35fd637d3cd2287c58ff","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q72ff605f5e91c88569ed","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qcb99efcfabde08bf1065","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":143,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-15T01:44:46.938Z","text":"所以？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q35fd637d3cd2287c58ff","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcb99efcfabde08bf1065","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q35fd637d3cd2287c58ff","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qfed50d1e06400c21b012","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":144,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-15T01:45:31.950Z","text":"要么协议 \n要么检方故意司法欺诈","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcb99efcfabde08bf1065","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfed50d1e06400c21b012","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcb99efcfabde08bf1065","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q387d1b898cb862ec5147","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":145,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-15T01:45:41.533Z","text":"检方为啥司法欺诈？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfed50d1e06400c21b012","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q387d1b898cb862ec5147","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfed50d1e06400c21b012","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q2d528cab28ea9575a344","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":146,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-15T01:46:17.768Z","text":"检方从来没说过，他们永远不会处理魏丽红的事情","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2d528cab28ea9575a344","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q1a133b07015839e8fc08","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":147,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-15T01:46:33.565Z","text":"或者他们永远不会起诉夏其东","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1a133b07015839e8fc08","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qd820bb975cf8f1df346e","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":148,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-15T01:46:48.309Z","text":"你们思维不要这么跳跃吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd820bb975cf8f1df346e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q5d907be22f6f87fd2103","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":149,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-15T01:47:02.989Z","text":"郭案没收开启，既然涉及整个GTV，那么魏那里的，必须要在分钱开始，收回，不然资产不完整","edited":false,"reply_to":"q387d1b898cb862ec5147","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d907be22f6f87fd2103","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q387d1b898cb862ec5147","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q5d30a4e68713c401145d","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":150,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-15T01:47:11.642Z","text":"跳跃也可以，在网上无所谓","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d30a4e68713c401145d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q0d1406e236f83f7fb010","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":151,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-15T01:47:24.107Z","text":"但是你法庭文件也这么跳跃？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0d1406e236f83f7fb010","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qda155bd65b9e0f0c234a","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":152,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-15T01:47:39.462Z","text":"那就是司法欺诈了？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5d907be22f6f87fd2103","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qda155bd65b9e0f0c234a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d907be22f6f87fd2103","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q73776ffa1e556527e841","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":153,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-15T01:47:46.533Z","text":"司法欺诈是这么定义的？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q73776ffa1e556527e841","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q4ee35c6859dc1552475b","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":154,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-15T01:48:13.871Z","text":"你们随便吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4ee35c6859dc1552475b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q9686dabf3a00b23828ee","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":155,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-15T01:48:28.137Z","text":"反正谁说谁负责","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9686dabf3a00b23828ee","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q5b71cda3d43df6cd57af","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":156,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-15T01:49:41.540Z","text":"换个角度想，如果他们真的有免起诉协议，那郭怎么把他送进监狱呢？这也是个问题啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5b71cda3d43df6cd57af","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q4891c16dc857fa7f3d22","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":157,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-15T01:50:15.692Z","text":"既然讲程序，要没收整个G系列，那魏的钱，要先拿回，再谈接下来853n或者853i的事儿\n这个事儿不说清，不处理，就先量刑，那投资者的损失，就是不可逆\n这就是司法欺诈","edited":false,"reply_to":"qda155bd65b9e0f0c234a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4891c16dc857fa7f3d22","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qda155bd65b9e0f0c234a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q9631ad51f9d38c686943","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":158,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-15T01:50:27.849Z","text":"你随便吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4891c16dc857fa7f3d22","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9631ad51f9d38c686943","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4891c16dc857fa7f3d22","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q4ddabc770d80440aa131","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":159,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-15T01:50:43.525Z","text":"反正这个案子也已经废了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4ddabc770d80440aa131","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qd6645946f236370b8338","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":160,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-15T01:52:51.825Z","text":"案子没废，诈骗证据都在，只是一部分被告要换人 300骨干要进去","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4ddabc770d80440aa131","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd6645946f236370b8338","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4ddabc770d80440aa131","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q9b5958111f61c4f0b4d8","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":161,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-15T01:54:03.423Z","text":"我的意思是，这个案子已经是废案了，因为程序被污染了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd6645946f236370b8338","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9b5958111f61c4f0b4d8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd6645946f236370b8338","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q87d5147bfab352269480","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":162,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-15T01:54:16.419Z","text":"所以这个案子一定是完了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q87d5147bfab352269480","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q88f4c9f25d0a5bd31d84","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":163,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-15T01:54:24.828Z","text":"但是为什么现在还在拖，就不知道了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q88f4c9f25d0a5bd31d84","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q7ac6948a4929efa79f59","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":164,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-15T01:55:34.395Z","text":"美国司法的惯性","edited":false,"reply_to":"q88f4c9f25d0a5bd31d84","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7ac6948a4929efa79f59","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q88f4c9f25d0a5bd31d84","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q985e63f6262a5b50b09e","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":165,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-06-15T02:06:35.826Z","text":"你的第一份强制令算不算结束了？现在再给二巡加动议容易吗？要不要重新再交一份新的强制令？是否要再交600刀？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3ea4f4f02339cdb8b94b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q985e63f6262a5b50b09e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3ea4f4f02339cdb8b94b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q89da4e08cc9975071f18","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":166,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-15T02:07:15.869Z","text":"郭案开没收，有GTV，那Sara Wei那里的，要先拿回来，因为涉及能处理的冻结资产总额，再谈没收后的853n或者853i","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf2e3715700ac7d1e617c","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q89da4e08cc9975071f18","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q5c32371f846d94caa7f5","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":167,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-15T02:13:36.604Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息]","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5c32371f846d94caa7f5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q7b7250f5d8e24605e9a1","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":168,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-15T02:21:15.822Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息]","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7b7250f5d8e24605e9a1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qedf92273b3f2fc6f13b6","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":169,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-06-15T02:21:31.625Z","text":"看看我的 Gemini 分析得对不对：\n\n这份文件是一份由自诉人（Pro Se 投资人，化名为 Doe）起草的**《传唤农场主管及召开证据听证会动议》（Motion to Subpoena Farm CEOs and Hold Evidentiary Hearing）**。\n虽然该文件的标题和案号中提到了上诉法院（第二巡回上诉法院，案号：26-364），但从公文抬头、递交对象和诉求来看，这是一份准备提交给**纽约南区联邦地方法院（SDNY）**主审法官 Analisa Torres 的法律文书。\n以下是这份动议的核心内容和事实总结：\n一、 案件基本信息与主体\n 提交人：Doe（化名，自行诉讼的 G 系列项目独立投资人）。\n 底层案号：United States v. Kwok, et al., No. 1:23-cr-00118 (AT)。\n 关联上诉案号：第二巡回法院 Case No. 26-364。\n 诉求标的：追查其投入凤凰农场借款项目（Phoenix Farm Loan）的 $50,880 资金的真实去向与状态。\n二、 动议的核心诉求（Relief Requested）\n递交人请求法庭行使权力，强制执行以下两项程序：\n1. 签发法庭传票（Subpoena），强令四位核心农场主管及关键金融高管出庭接受交叉质询（Cross-examination）；\n2. 召开正式的附属证据听证会（Ancillary Evidentiary Hearing），彻底查明涉及清白第三方投资人的资产流向，以防其合法财产被检方错误没收。\n三、 申请传唤的关键证人名单及理由\n动议中点名要求传唤以下四人，并详细阐述了他们与 $50,880 凤凰农场资产的直接利害关系：\n1. 夏其东（Qidong Xia，人称长岛哥 / LongIsland Brother）\n 理由：作为核心管理人员，他曾多次在“G-TV 联盟”直播中公开宣布，所有农场借款的资金都是安全的，并且未来可以转换为上市公司的股票或数字货币。Doe 正是基于他的这些公开承诺才决定汇款。\n2. 魏丽红（Lihong Wei，人称 Sarah Wei / 萨拉）\n 理由：她是凤凰农场的实际负责人。Doe 曾直接向其管理的账户转账，并提供了详细的个人隐私信息（PII）。Doe 特别指控，由于魏丽红将投资人名单泄露或遭遇调查，导致 Doe 在中国大陆遭到了中共国家安全部（MSS）和地方警察的审讯与恐吓。\n3. 李亚（Ya Li）\n 理由：同样是凤凰农场的关键管理层，直接参与了该农场借款合同的签订与资金流向管理，对投资款的最终去向负有直接知情责任。\n4. 余建民（William Je）\n 理由：作为 ACA Capital Group Ltd. 的负责人，他是管理 G 系列庞大资金池的核心金融推手。Doe 认为需要传唤他来交代这笔 $50,880 是否真正进入了海外实体，还是被中介机构挪用或混淆。\n四、 动议的核心法律与事实理由\n 维权渠道受阻：Doe 声明自己早在 2025 年 9 月 29 日就根据联邦法律 21 U.S.C. § 853(n) 提交了第三方资产主张请求。然而，地方法院至今未将其诉求录入办案系统（Docket），导致其作为无辜第三方的财产权面临在量刑裁决中被直接一刀切没收的巨大风险。\n 资产性质的抗辩：Doe 坚称这笔钱是其合法的个人资产，属于对独立农场实体的商业借款，而非被告（郭文贵）的个人犯罪所得。在没有进行逐笔资金追踪（Tracing）和透明审计的情况下，检方无权将其推定为可没收资产。\n💡 总结与文件分析\n这份文件展现了与您之前看过的 Anna 和陈志强案高度一致的诉讼策略。它的核心逻辑是：“地方法院无故压制（未录入）自诉人的第三方财产权申请（853(n)），因此通过向地方法院递交此传唤动议，同时关联上诉法院的 Mandamus（强制令）程序，多管齐下逼迫法院开庭审理独立投资人的清白资产所有权问题。”\n文件的英文事实和诉求陈述非常清晰，直击检方资产没收程序中的“缺乏资金追踪”和下级法院“程序拖延”这两大痛点。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfd870db8a667a77f5a9e","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qedf92273b3f2fc6f13b6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q66f75bf2685507ff39bb","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":170,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-15T02:33:08.887Z","text":"即使弄死郭，这案子还是要继续吧\n投资者还是会要钱的啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7b7250f5d8e24605e9a1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q66f75bf2685507ff39bb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7b7250f5d8e24605e9a1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q2982f8e89c1ddc34a2d5","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":171,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-15T02:45:31.939Z","text":"这帮人，政庇不管有没有通过，肯定是黄了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q88652f442502d33e67c7","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2982f8e89c1ddc34a2d5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qb36c6595c8ef962e4dfd","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":172,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-06-15T02:45:41.409Z","text":"郭到底怎么样？他能平安归来吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb36c6595c8ef962e4dfd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q8376119bd426ace7c8e3","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":173,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-15T02:45:57.484Z","text":"你思考这个问题就中了他们的计","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb36c6595c8ef962e4dfd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8376119bd426ace7c8e3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb36c6595c8ef962e4dfd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qf1444c5cc74eb700abea","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":174,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-15T02:46:36.357Z","text":"郭的死活和我们无关 我们只对美国司法程序的正义负责","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf1444c5cc74eb700abea","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q8f309b2253f9c695f870","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":175,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-15T02:47:15.211Z","text":"你只要打着救郭的名义 一定会被拿捏","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8f309b2253f9c695f870","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q9b4d5e883b8882dea241","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":176,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-06-15T02:47:31.081Z","text":"这帮家伙跟郭己经完全撕破脸了，是我死我活的一场硬仗，但是这帮坏种斗不过郭","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9b4d5e883b8882dea241","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q6af6af6376c772f588e9","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":177,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-15T02:48:01.925Z","text":"别说郭了 连螺丝哥是不是特务都查不到","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9b4d5e883b8882dea241","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6af6af6376c772f588e9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9b4d5e883b8882dea241","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q863fc3e035046f03b158","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":178,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-06-15T02:48:22.862Z","text":"干扰司法，不服陪审团裁决，没有资格上诉要求翻案吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8f309b2253f9c695f870","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q863fc3e035046f03b158","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8f309b2253f9c695f870","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q925cbdaacd73c3505bb6","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":179,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-15T02:48:46.089Z","text":"有资格 但律师不会干的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q863fc3e035046f03b158","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q925cbdaacd73c3505bb6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q863fc3e035046f03b158","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qff42376837fd8512bfe4","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":180,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-06-15T02:50:34.750Z","text":"我相信这个世界还是有天理的。这帮家伙做恶会断子绝孙、没有好下场的。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q31106929834963f2715e","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qff42376837fd8512bfe4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qd18349981e9420812c70","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":181,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-15T02:51:36.619Z","text":"检方想全身而退，就要找背锅的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q31106929834963f2715e","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd18349981e9420812c70","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q3bcb6dc8438a65962de0","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":182,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-15T02:51:53.052Z","text":"青联盟肯定是意识到这一点","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3bcb6dc8438a65962de0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qedd51f6aa0cfc2af61ea","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":183,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-06-15T02:52:25.224Z","text":"我会Motion for reconsideration-100%批准因为过去9个月 法官屁事没干","edited":false,"reply_to":"q985e63f6262a5b50b09e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qedd51f6aa0cfc2af61ea","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q985e63f6262a5b50b09e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q21be2bbfc306d88925b6","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":184,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-15T02:52:37.165Z","text":"🤣 还真不一定","edited":false,"reply_to":"qedd51f6aa0cfc2af61ea","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q21be2bbfc306d88925b6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qedd51f6aa0cfc2af61ea","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q8b4f19e251ceacf9f0d1","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":185,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-15T02:52:44.679Z","text":"二巡贼的很","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8b4f19e251ceacf9f0d1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q3240504a1e2fbd48497d","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":186,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-15T02:52:52.898Z","text":"但批准的概率比之前高是真的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3240504a1e2fbd48497d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qd6a0401d3b14b5e79bdd","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":187,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-06-15T02:54:13.468Z","text":"纸质邮寄还是电子邮件？是不是要重新立案？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qedd51f6aa0cfc2af61ea","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd6a0401d3b14b5e79bdd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qedd51f6aa0cfc2af61ea","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q50118499ce7e57323268","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":188,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-15T02:54:38.250Z","text":"瑞恩结束郭案的强制令会不会立案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q50118499ce7e57323268","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q8f14e60c2d1baaa6cfd0","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":189,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-15T02:54:54.660Z","text":"只要瑞恩明天立案 郭案就可以宣告结束","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8f14e60c2d1baaa6cfd0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qe3e769aa624b023aabe5","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":190,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-15T02:55:15.006Z","text":"托雷斯感谢你","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8f14e60c2d1baaa6cfd0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe3e769aa624b023aabe5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8f14e60c2d1baaa6cfd0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qa1035d7e937a39d377ca","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":191,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-15T02:55:20.809Z","text":"给了台阶下","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa1035d7e937a39d377ca","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q2bc857f2dcc6ec40b645","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":192,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-15T02:55:40.485Z","text":"托雷斯是爱是恨 还不知道","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe3e769aa624b023aabe5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2bc857f2dcc6ec40b645","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe3e769aa624b023aabe5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qfb94392701ec98c5f4f8","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":193,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-06-15T02:55:49.503Z","text":"大致内容准确。有一个非常重要的点： 提供魏立红 夏凄东的操作证明alter ego不存在","edited":false,"reply_to":"qedf92273b3f2fc6f13b6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfb94392701ec98c5f4f8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qedf92273b3f2fc6f13b6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q96187b9b741422e40dad","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":194,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-15T02:56:11.928Z","text":"alter ego 专家团 ［用户 joh***］ ［用户 beg***］  ［用户 reb***］","edited":true,"reply_to":"qfb94392701ec98c5f4f8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q96187b9b741422e40dad","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfb94392701ec98c5f4f8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q997273ae7c6c72b97bdb","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":195,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-06-15T02:56:28.552Z","text":"没有证据，就不要在法庭上说。要是说，你就说你推测猜测可能谁有不起诉协议","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q997273ae7c6c72b97bdb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qa148af3bb769e8330578","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":196,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-06-15T02:56:39.790Z","text":"应该是电子邮件。我明天电话书记员 问详细","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd6a0401d3b14b5e79bdd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa148af3bb769e8330578","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd6a0401d3b14b5e79bdd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q5c0b8cbae2e9c92a940f","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":197,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-15T02:58:02.442Z","text":"是这意思 学检方 hearsay\n当不当真，是检方的事儿\n要不要回应，是那几个共谋的事儿","edited":false,"reply_to":"q997273ae7c6c72b97bdb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5c0b8cbae2e9c92a940f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q997273ae7c6c72b97bdb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q8e8e98cdf71a99b3e008","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":198,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-06-15T02:59:04.174Z","text":"我也准备写motion to stay. 上次是写给南区的。这次应该是直接给二巡吧？不知道怎么说要点","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8e8e98cdf71a99b3e008","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qcc1b9d44c4fdeed91bf5","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":199,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-15T02:59:15.345Z","text":"2巡","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8e8e98cdf71a99b3e008","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcc1b9d44c4fdeed91bf5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8e8e98cdf71a99b3e008","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q7f83387ab114f3f3cd78","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":200,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-15T03:00:45.999Z","text":"［用户 ton***］  需要你的超级机器人看看 如果luc受托人身份不合法 郭案会崩到什么程度","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7f83387ab114f3f3cd78","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000118","next_batch_id":"batch-000120"}