{"id":"batch-000119","number":119,"revision":1,"date_start":"2026-06-14T23:48:21.954Z","date_end":"2026-06-16T08:11:09.187Z","total_messages":1000,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 119 (Jun 14, 2026 – Jun 16, 2026), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. This batch argues over one Guo case as either a conviction-centered narrative or a rights-remedy process where procedure, victims, and remediation dominate. Core disputes are offense label severity, conspiracy scope, selective accountability, public-record access, and whether the matter is effectively over. Participants repeatedly cited internal markers such as Doc 388 \b401, Doc 382 (May 28) with Tr. 436:2","guide_en":[{"title":"Prosecution label and case characterization: misdemeanor narrative versus heavy \"subversion\" framing","description":"roy*** argued the charge could not be reduced to a minor public-order offense and argued that a stronger subversion label better fit the case, disputing how the offense was being framed. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qc07f157b7a7dcc2d96ba","qf56b8d349b1f870a1396"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qc07f157b7a7dcc2d96ba","summary_en":"roy*** argued the alleged offense was trivial in form but claimed \"subversion of the country\" was the more accurate characterization. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf56b8d349b1f870a1396","summary_en":"roy*** disputed the lesser charge framing, saying the disorderly-conduct label was too small. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"\"Publicly discoverable\" boundary dispute: full-file release versus visible-only scope","description":"spr*** argued key materials were public filings, while kir*** disputed that premise and contended that not all relevant records were confirmed public. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qff740e8d4a707e17d106","q1ad0995cdc280b3922bc"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qff740e8d4a707e17d106","summary_en":"spr*** argued that the records were public and pointed to the indictment and online materials. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q1ad0995cdc280b3922bc","summary_en":"kir*** disputed whether the documents were truly public and said it was unclear. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Whether the investment chain was central: funding supporters versus unclear transfer proof","description":"roy*** argued funding activity and related charges were central, while joh*** contended the record did not clearly document the transfer chain. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q4c5b00c4038d84ed9781","q312234a5e0cfc1284d12"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q4c5b00c4038d84ed9781","summary_en":"roy*** argued the case involved investment-related conduct and two offenses tied to a published article, treating finance as core. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q312234a5e0cfc1284d12","summary_en":"joh*** contended the filings were incomplete because the payment-receipt and transfer steps were omitted. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Conspiracy boundary and arrest scope: is the suspect list complete or narrowed","description":"joh*** argued the named participants were limited, and him*** contended the apprehension net had narrowed to only Guo and Wang, disputing responsibility boundaries. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qb9e6d915d718f694bac0","q99fb3a8f5d27435613d3"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qb9e6d915d718f694bac0","summary_en":"joh*** argued the documented names were mainly a short set and listed only several farm-linked people by name. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q99fb3a8f5d27435613d3","summary_en":"him*** disputed broader conspiracy inclusion, saying current actions covered only Guo and Wang. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Non-prosecution deal reality and effect: who signed, and whether it equals substantive cooperation","description":"joh*** argued non-prosecution could be consistent with witness treatment, while him*** disputed the existence and meaning of any such deal and labeled related claims as rumor. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q5c520c82c8c56296ca29","q34da514c4c5557d677fc","qf99c722c14da38c50cac"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q5c520c82c8c56296ca29","summary_en":"joh*** argued those individuals were not charged and tied that outcome to a witness-support rationale. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q34da514c4c5557d677fc","summary_en":"him*** disputed the claim, arguing such an agreement would require prosecutorial signing. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf99c722c14da38c50cac","summary_en":"him*** disputed that any non-prosecution agreement had in fact been reached and called it rumor. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Prosecutorial narrative versus process credibility: who established position first and why credibility is questioned","description":"Participants argued that prosecution narratives were being contested, with joh*** and him*** questioning credibility and procedural fairness around the evidence handling. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q2ed1454cc5bdede2182b","q5753a0acb7a07898541d"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q2ed1454cc5bdede2182b","summary_en":"joh*** argued the cited screenshot from filing 833 raised whether a fresh challenge against the prosecutor was needed. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q5753a0acb7a07898541d","summary_en":"him*** disputed prosecutorial credibility, claiming the prosecution had become unreliable. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Case closed or delayed: some claim dismissal, others wonder why proceedings continue","description":"him*** repeatedly argued the case was effectively dead, while also disputing why proceedings were still being delayed rather than concluded. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q1c11db6511d876d5764a","q5171082a147984701f1c","q77d0fda0a100cb224121"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q1c11db6511d876d5764a","summary_en":"him*** argued the case had already been abandoned. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q5171082a147984701f1c","summary_en":"him*** disputed the pace of the matter, asking why it was still being delayed. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q77d0fda0a100cb224121","summary_en":"him*** argued dismissal followed the court appearance of Luo Si Ge, reinforcing the claim the case was effectively over. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"CVRA and victim status tug-of-war","description":"kir*** and sar*** disputed victim qualification, with kir*** denying a listed user as a victim and sar*** asking whether second-review victim entry established verified-victim status. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qfc7ccb4ccbd7aa8351b9","q01c3c742423e44ff2393"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qfc7ccb4ccbd7aa8351b9","summary_en":"kir*** disputed that a cited user was a valid victim in the CVRA context. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q01c3c742423e44ff2393","summary_en":"sar*** asked whether entering at the second review as a victim meant verified-victim status, disputing the legal effect. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Procedural line shift to second appeal stage: mandatory order, reconsideration, stay, and filing path","description":"sar*** argued procedural status was uncertain for a renewed second-stage filing, while kir*** indicated a second-circuit path by shorthand reference to \"2巡,\" disputing next-step sequencing. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q985e63f6262a5b50b09e","qcc1b9d44c4fdeed91bf5"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q985e63f6262a5b50b09e","summary_en":"sar*** argued the first mandatory-order question may be unsettled and asked whether a new second-circuit filing with extra fee might be required. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qcc1b9d44c4fdeed91bf5","summary_en":"kir*** identified the dispute as moving to second review, signaling a procedural pivot. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Conviction base and trial evidence standard: witnesses, FRE 801(d)(2)(E), and jury hearing adequacy","description":"ton*** argued the evidentiary basis could include co-conspirator admissions and court-authorized questioning, while also claiming trial testimony framed Wang as an admitted assistant. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qf6e0960596082f8dbc09","q92d960b6265d5de1a875","q9ffb218e60b4d63c9fe5"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qf6e0960596082f8dbc09","summary_en":"ton*** argued Wang’s six out-of-court statements were being treated as co-conspirator statements under FRE 801(d)(2)(E), citing Doc 388 \b401. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q92d960b6265d5de1a875","summary_en":"ton*** argued that on May 28, 2024, Doc 382 indicated the court allowed questioning designed to elicit Wang’s statements (Tr. 436:2\u0000-437:22). Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q9ffb218e60b4d63c9fe5","summary_en":"ton*** argued the prosecutor repeatedly presented trial testimony that Wang acted as an assistant and accepted having done those actions. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Forfeiture and ownership disputes: 853(n), third-party challenges, and victim-payment property claims","description":"him*** and ton*** argued over asset ownership, with him*** claiming CVRA standing was stronger and others contending forfeiture statutes focus on money recovery mechanics rather than broader truth claims. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q1e532b57dd72b075bc92","q5b38a6c9fa8229b0724d","q24dafbf3016a8a4efe75"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q1e532b57dd72b075bc92","summary_en":"him*** argued the government could deny ownership by saying the funds had been paid to a \"G-series\" entity and were no longer the payer’s property. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q5b38a6c9fa8229b0724d","summary_en":"him*** argued CVRA standing was stronger on this line of dispute. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q24dafbf3016a8a4efe75","summary_en":"ton*** argued 853(n) is primarily a tool for obtaining money and contended participants were using it mainly as a factual-investigation forum. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"External politicization and pressure narratives: national-security, bias, or influence framing","description":"hel*** and kir*** argued the dispute may involve external power dynamics, with kir*** invoking cross-jurisdictional appeals over investment and hel*** seeking official channels. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qaf8ce4f97a9f95d112f5","qd03be1479f82b360d395"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qaf8ce4f97a9f95d112f5","summary_en":"hel*** argued that access to the current chief justice office contact route could matter, asking for official email details. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qd03be1479f82b360d395","summary_en":"kir*** argued China’s government could be a claimant regarding Luo Si Ge’s invested money, framing the matter politically. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Procedural irregularities and timing concerns: delay notices, docket, and clerk-level transparency","description":"hel*** and others disputed delay explanations and docket handling, arguing notices, postponement reasons, and clerical updates were opaque or potentially improvised. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q66199301424d38135aa5","qfdec0adfcfab8d9e0582","qa23db1a55d2c980e1fd0"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q66199301424d38135aa5","summary_en":"hel*** disputed whether another postponement around item 629 would happen and questioned the grounds. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qfdec0adfcfab8d9e0582","summary_en":"joh*** contested delay logic by joking a family death could be offered as a reason. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qa23db1a55d2c980e1fd0","summary_en":"reb*** argued docket status updates were unclear, asking if PACER had updated notice entries to mandatory orders for 850-start items. Community statements, not court findings."}]}],"summary":"讨论核心在于把同一案件理解为“刑事定罪后果链”还是“程序与受害者权利救济链”，分歧明显。围绕罪名定性、共谋边界和案件是否已“废案”形成持续对抗；“是否投资、谁是受害者、谁参与共谋”又不断重写责任圈。讨论者对检方叙事可信度和是否存在选择性追责分歧很大，免起诉协议、涉案高管是否达成和解也长期冲突。程序层面并行争议集中在CVRA动议、第二巡诉讼路径、强制令与补充请愿技术细节，并延展到没收财产的追踪与第三方权利、受害者身份认定。部分观点引入政治化与外部压力解释，另一些则强调证据标准与司法程序可检验性，整体呈现“难以归并为单一结论、争点持续扩张”的结构。","guide":[{"title":"起诉标签与案件性质先后争辩：轻罪叙事与“颠覆”等重罪标签并置","message_ids":["qc07f157b7a7dcc2d96ba","qf56b8d349b1f870a1396"]},{"title":"“公开可查”边界争议：全量资料与限于可见范围之间冲突","message_ids":["qff740e8d4a707e17d106","q1ad0995cdc280b3922bc"]},{"title":"投资链是否核心：支持者强调资金要素关键，反对者称材料未明示","message_ids":["q4c5b00c4038d84ed9781","q312234a5e0cfc1284d12"]},{"title":"共谋范围与“被抓/未被抓”划界：名单是否完整、责任链是否被缩窄","message_ids":["qb9e6d915d718f694bac0","q99fb3a8f5d27435613d3"]},{"title":"免起诉协议真假与作用：是否有约定、谁签约、是否等同实质认罪协助","message_ids":["q5c520c82c8c56296ca29","q34da514c4c5557d677fc","qf99c722c14da38c50cac"]},{"title":"检方叙事与程序可信度互毗：先设立场、回避细节、是否偏见性推进","message_ids":["q2ed1454cc5bdede2182b","q5753a0acb7a07898541d"]},{"title":"案件是否“废案”/拖延：部分成员预期终止，另一部分仍看好策略性推进","message_ids":["q1c11db6511d876d5764a","q5171082a147984701f1c","q77d0fda0a100cb224121"]},{"title":"CVRA与受害者资格拉锯：先确认身份才谈权利行使、协商和补救","message_ids":["qfc7ccb4ccbd7aa8351b9","q01c3c742423e44ff2393"]},{"title":"程序战线转向二巡：强制令、reconsideration、stay与上诉路径分歧","message_ids":["q985e63f6262a5b50b09e","qcc1b9d44c4fdeed91bf5"]},{"title":"定罪基础与庭审证据口径：证人、FRE 801(d)(2)(E)、陪审团听证是否足够","message_ids":["qf6e0960596082f8dbc09","q92d960b6265d5de1a875","q9ffb218e60b4d63c9fe5"]},{"title":"没收与财产归属争议：853(n)、第三方抗辩、受害者付款后财产权","message_ids":["q1e532b57dd72b075bc92","q5b38a6c9fa8229b0724d","q24dafbf3016a8a4efe75"]},{"title":"外部政治化解读与环境压力：是否涉国家安全、制度性偏见或舆情操控","message_ids":["qaf8ce4f97a9f95d112f5","qd03be1479f82b360d395"]},{"title":"程序异常与进度质疑：延期、notice、docket、书记员与节点信息透明度","message_ids":["q66199301424d38135aa5","qfdec0adfcfab8d9e0582","qa23db1a55d2c980e1fd0"]}],"closed":true,"is_finalized":true,"updated_at":"2026-09-06T18:18:24.750Z","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_batch","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119/pages/4","base_batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-batches/batch-000119?page=4","page":4,"page_size":200,"total_pages":5,"has_more":true,"next_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-batches/batch-000119?page=5","prev_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-batches/batch-000119?page=3","messages":[{"id":"q4d1a4c0de7b4af6ce9ce","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":601,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T01:22:31.981Z","text":"G集团诈骗+洗钱，王认罪\n用于个人和家族消费，是郭干的\n[删节：隐私信息] 几个要素，是不是就齐了🤣","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4d1a4c0de7b4af6ce9ce","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q5b38a6c9fa8229b0724d","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":602,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T01:23:00.822Z","text":"Cvra的standing更硬一点","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5b38a6c9fa8229b0724d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q250cb8151ebfc8424dc0","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":603,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T01:23:30.428Z","text":"853n的standing更容易被打废","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q250cb8151ebfc8424dc0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q1e532b57dd72b075bc92","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":604,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T01:24:18.486Z","text":"因为检方可以说，你不是财产拥有人，你的钱已经给了g系列，钱就不属于你了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1e532b57dd72b075bc92","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qf2c4b54acfd72433877d","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":605,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-06-16T01:24:51.506Z","text":"大陪审团据政府 2020 年 5 月起的侦查材料(FBI 调查、银行/资金追踪、受害人信息、G 系列实体),认定有 probable cause 相信:郭、Je、王雁平共谋,通过 GTV/G-Club/Himalaya 等工具实体诈骗逾 10 亿、并洗钱 → 出 true bill → Doc 19(2023-03-29)。大陪审团程序依法保密(Fed. R. Crim. P. 6(e)),transcript 封存——所以谁也看不到当时具体呈了哪些证据、哪句话「说服」了哪个大陪审员,看不到。都是瞎猜测，具体原因。知道了也不重要，立案不是定罪。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf2c4b54acfd72433877d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q351b0b98f7a5ddc4ccbb","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":606,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T01:24:52.761Z","text":"这就好比，如果你去商店买了东西，商店被判诈骗，那你给商店的钱就不属于你了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q351b0b98f7a5ddc4ccbb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q001f2ac96533ab277862","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":607,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-06-16T01:25:13.500Z","text":"后面的定罪，就是看谁会打动陪审团。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4d1a4c0de7b4af6ce9ce","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q001f2ac96533ab277862","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4d1a4c0de7b4af6ce9ce","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qda183db2667f5b1c5ca5","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":608,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T01:25:51.821Z","text":"你已经把钱给了商店，你只能当受害者拿赔偿，你不能说我给了商店10块钱，现在我还要拿回来","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qda183db2667f5b1c5ca5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q918b42cb8c774bab601d","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":609,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-06-16T01:25:59.806Z","text":"检方逻辑如下\n\n起诉书 Doc 19 ¶13、¶104(e) 写得很清楚:\n\nGTV 私募 = 2020 年 4 月 20 日–6 月 2 日,募了 约 $4.52 亿,卖给 5,500+ 名投资人(美国境内 + 海外);\n私募一关闭,$1 亿立刻被挪去一只高风险对冲基金(为家人 Relative-I 的利益),还亏了约 $3000 万(¶114)。\nFBI 2020 年 5 月开查 = 正好在这 $4.52 亿募集进行中。 不是\"GTV 才刚开始、啥也没发生就查\",而是一笔 4.52 亿、从散户手里募来、钱立刻被挪走的交易——这是教科书级红旗,实时引来 SEC + FBI 是常态(SEC 也确实平行查了 GTV)。时间跟着「行为」走,不是跟着「政治」走。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q918b42cb8c774bab601d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q4a25aca167041aa6a481","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":610,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-06-16T01:26:17.209Z","text":"如果钱在商店里，没有被转移到经营商店的人，钱应该原路返回，不应该没收。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q351b0b98f7a5ddc4ccbb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4a25aca167041aa6a481","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q351b0b98f7a5ddc4ccbb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qcf952b8287317a7fbd6b","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":611,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-06-16T01:27:47.941Z","text":"王的骚操作 转账 投资 招人  处处奇葩，然后还认了。 不是诈骗是啥","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf952b8287317a7fbd6b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q8259ac9612fd7147fb65","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":612,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T01:28:41.391Z","text":"认罪的点，还是郭案无罪的部分\n郭量刑，王还能上诉，准赢","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcf952b8287317a7fbd6b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8259ac9612fd7147fb65","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf952b8287317a7fbd6b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q6ff120d88f6b915d1009","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":613,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-06-16T01:29:02.304Z","text":"这些实打实的转账。谁看都是诈骗，陪审团判有罪，不冤。人家也没错，常识判断就是犯罪。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6ff120d88f6b915d1009","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qbe5c41be6c9262b27874","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":614,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T01:29:15.744Z","text":"1. 你把钱付给商店后，一般产权已经转给商店。\n所以如果你买了东西、付款完成，即使后来发现商店诈骗，你通常不再拥有那张10块钱的“产权”。你的权利通常变成对商店/被告的债权、赔偿、 restitution/restitution-like claim，而不是说“那10块钱仍然是我的财产”。\n2. 如果那笔钱是犯罪 proceeds，政府可能可以没收。\n21 U.S.C. § 853(a) 允许没收被告因犯罪直接或间接取得的 proceeds；§ 853(c) 还有 “relation-back” 原则，即政府权益可追溯到犯罪行为发生时。\n3. 853(n) 不是普通赔偿程序，而是产权程序。\n第三方要在 853(n) 里赢，通常要证明自己对被没收财产有法律上的产权，并且该产权优先于被告/政府，或者自己是 bona fide purchaser for value 且无理由知道财产会被没收。Rule 32.2 也说明， ancillary proceeding 的目的不是重新争论财产是否可没收，而是决定第三方是否有 legal interest。\n所以，你这句话可以改得更准确：\n这就好比，如果一个顾客向商店付款购买商品，后来商店被判诈骗，顾客通常不能仅因自己曾支付那笔钱，就主张商店账户中的对应资金仍属于自己。付款完成后，该资金一般已成为商店财产；顾客的救济通常是作为受害者寻求赔偿或 restitution，而不是在刑事没收程序中要求原路返还同一笔钱。只有在顾客能够证明自己对被没收的特定财产仍保有可识别、优先的法律产权，或符合 21 U.S.C. § 853(n)(6) 的第三方权利条件时，才可能要求法院从没收令中排除该财产。\n但你最后的疑问也有一个重要例外：\n如果钱“没有真正转移所有权”，例如只是托管、信托、代管、误存、冻结账户、特定基金、escrow，或者能追踪为第三方仍享有所有权的特定财产，那就不是普通买卖付款。\n这种情况下，第三方可能主张：这不是被告的 proceeds，或者第三方有 superior legal interest，因此不应被没收给政府，而应在 853(n) 或相关程序中确认第三方权益。\n一句话总结：\n普通购买付款：一般不是“原路返回”，而是受害者赔偿问题。\n特定财产仍属于第三方：可能不是赔偿问题，而是产权排除问题。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4a25aca167041aa6a481","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbe5c41be6c9262b27874","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4a25aca167041aa6a481","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qbcad1a6600797a4b067a","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":615,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-06-16T01:29:28.162Z","text":"是的，没有转到私人帐户，在公司帐户而且协议没到期","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4a25aca167041aa6a481","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbcad1a6600797a4b067a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4a25aca167041aa6a481","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qc3b19d87bccca9ec2309","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":616,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T01:32:02.672Z","text":"转账投资招人，都是正常的吧。但是她认罪，确实是做实了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcf952b8287317a7fbd6b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc3b19d87bccca9ec2309","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf952b8287317a7fbd6b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q82ab97398c9c554433f4","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":617,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-06-16T01:32:15.735Z","text":"都在给郭造罪 然后认了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q82ab97398c9c554433f4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qf2eb4fd62eca69e937c2","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":618,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-06-16T01:32:42.076Z","text":"跟商店的对价是拿到商品。在本案，拿到的是信托受益权。钱还在真正的诈骗犯那里，商店把账查清楚了，钱回不来了，但本案，账没查清楚，不能没收。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbe5c41be6c9262b27874","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf2eb4fd62eca69e937c2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbe5c41be6c9262b27874","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q005818a4f2e3ba0e3f53","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":619,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T01:34:17.246Z","text":"所以王是青 苍天们的hero🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":"q82ab97398c9c554433f4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q005818a4f2e3ba0e3f53","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q82ab97398c9c554433f4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q97adf56ae32d0c976a8f","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":620,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-06-16T01:34:41.179Z","text":"王：我是助手，绝对执行人控制人，我执行的，认了。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q97adf56ae32d0c976a8f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q2d233846171b4d7054cf","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":621,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-06-16T01:35:20.951Z","text":"陪审团不相信都说不过去。 再辅助一些证据，故事更真实。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2d233846171b4d7054cf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qbe84abc1f5d4aae4fa17","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":622,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T01:35:25.374Z","text":"王负责牺牲自己，给郭定罪\n青苍负责配合造假证据，维稳，以郭的名义骗钱\n郭一旦量刑，王还能上诉出来，依旧是英雄，二号人物变大哥","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbe84abc1f5d4aae4fa17","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qfd03c7de087f5cba55bc","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":623,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-06-16T01:35:48.740Z","text":"扯啥事实，陪审团信就行","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfd03c7de087f5cba55bc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q76fc2c0dbee29950a0fd","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":624,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-06-16T01:36:20.298Z","text":"文贵：美国的法庭不给真相，只解决问题。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q76fc2c0dbee29950a0fd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qc43d7cf5e65f1c48213a","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":625,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-06-16T01:36:35.321Z","text":"陪审团理论上不知道王的认罪，在共谋这陈述里，也不能有王认罪的任何内容和反映。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2d233846171b4d7054cf","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc43d7cf5e65f1c48213a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2d233846171b4d7054cf","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qff380339a7f19ed73943","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":626,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T01:36:50.556Z","text":"不能说“账没查清楚，所以绝对不能没收”；更准确是说：在未查清资金流向、信托受益权、第三方产权和可追踪资产之前，法院不应把第三方可能享有权益的财产直接当作被告可没收资产最终处置。\n你的逻辑可以这样整理：\n1. 商店类比不完全适合本案。\n普通商店交易里，买方拿到的是商品，钱通常转为商店财产；买方后来多半是赔偿/退款债权。\n但如果本案里投资人拿到的不是普通商品，而是信托受益权、会员权益、账户权益、基金权益或某种可识别的财产权益，那就可能不是单纯“我被骗了，所以要赔偿”，而可能涉及：这笔资产中是否存在第三方的 legal interest。\n2. 重点不是“钱还在诈骗犯那里”，而是“被没收的特定财产到底属于谁、代表什么权益”。\n21 U.S.C. § 853(n)(6) 的核心是第三方能否证明自己对被没收财产有优先的法律权益，或者是善意、有价值对价取得权益的人。刑事没收覆盖的是被告因犯罪取得的 proceeds 或相关财产，但第三方权益要在 ancillary proceeding 中处理。\n3. “账没查清楚，不能没收”要改成“不能最终消灭第三方权益”。\n法院可以先进入 preliminary forfeiture order；Rule 32.2 说明，没收令在 sentencing 时可对被告最终生效，但如果涉及 specific property，对第三方仍是 preliminary，直到 ancillary proceeding 结束。\n所以严格说，法律上不一定是“不能没收”，而是：不能在没有给第三方 853(n) 程序、没有查明第三方权益之前，把第三方可能拥有的权益最终没收掉。\n普通商店买卖的类比并不完整。普通交易中，买方付款取得商品，款项通常成为商店财产；即使后来发现欺诈，买方通常只是享有退款、赔偿或 restitution 的债权。但本案不同，投资人主张其取得的并非普通商品，而是信托受益权、账户权益、会员权益或其他可识别的财产权益。如果相关资产或资金仍可追踪、仍与第三方权益相关，且法院尚未查清资金流向、权利结构和第三方权益，则问题不只是“受害者赔偿”，而是被没收财产中是否包含第三方依法享有的权益。此类权益不能在未经 21 U.S.C. § 853(n) 和 Rule 32.2 所要求的附属程序审查前被最终消灭。\n最安全、最准确的一句话是：\n本案不能简单套用“买东西后钱就不属于买方”的类比；如果投资人取得的是信托受益权或其他可识别财产权益，而相关资金和权益结构尚未查清，法院至少应先 docket、审查并保留第三方 853(n) 权利，而不应在未查明前最终处置可能包含第三方权益的资产。\n这样说比“账没查清楚，不能没收”更稳。因为对方可能反驳：preliminary forfeiture 本来就可以先下，第三方权益以后再处理。你要强调的是：不能把 preliminary forfeiture 当成最终消灭第三方权益；也不能在 sentencing 或 forfeiture record 中忽视未查清的 trust-beneficiary/third-party-interest 问题。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf2eb4fd62eca69e937c2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qff380339a7f19ed73943","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf2eb4fd62eca69e937c2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qf6e0960596082f8dbc09","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":627,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-06-16T01:37:43.505Z","text":"王雁平在庭审中被引出的 6 条庭外陈述,经 FRE 801(d)(2)(E) 作为共谋人陈述、采纳「证其为真」(Doc 388 §I)。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc43d7cf5e65f1c48213a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf6e0960596082f8dbc09","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc43d7cf5e65f1c48213a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q92d960b6265d5de1a875","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":628,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-06-16T01:37:57.039Z","text":"法院 2024-05-28 裁定政府「may ask questions that elicit statements from Wang」——即允许引出她的话(Doc 382 第49行,Tr. 436:2–437:22)。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q92d960b6265d5de1a875","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qccd0302d6d9bc6a6d39f","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":629,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T01:38:14.263Z","text":"检方可能，要的就是这个效果\n只需要做实郭拿钱消费","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc43d7cf5e65f1c48213a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qccd0302d6d9bc6a6d39f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc43d7cf5e65f1c48213a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q30f95eceafc1e3dc4004","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":630,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T01:38:23.845Z","text":"陪审团是不知道王认罪的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfd03c7de087f5cba55bc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q30f95eceafc1e3dc4004","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfd03c7de087f5cba55bc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qab5220cf56eae0556273","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":631,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-06-16T01:38:27.843Z","text":"其陈述里不能有反映其已经认罪的任何描述。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf6e0960596082f8dbc09","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qab5220cf56eae0556273","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf6e0960596082f8dbc09","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q3f16c89f52b4549c3910","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":632,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T01:38:37.553Z","text":"王艳平认罪对陪审团没有任何影响","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3f16c89f52b4549c3910","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q4edf5d501f132c312c56","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":633,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T01:39:24.797Z","text":"这帮人是分两步走\n[删节：隐私信息] [删节：隐私信息]\n陪审团只需要定郭有高消费\n郭不认罪，无所谓，王会兜底","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4edf5d501f132c312c56","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q0c405600b13bd43697b2","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":634,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-06-16T01:39:25.643Z","text":"法庭文件显示 陪审团 听到被采纳进来的那些陈述","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0c405600b13bd43697b2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q75e1f7992ef0ed746c8d","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":635,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-06-16T01:39:43.204Z","text":"王的认罪 全面在郭案展开","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q75e1f7992ef0ed746c8d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qc257f2561049f17d17c9","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":636,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T01:39:51.106Z","text":"庭审输了，是因为辩方律师无能，导致的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0c405600b13bd43697b2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc257f2561049f17d17c9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0c405600b13bd43697b2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q9637325a78e5e00db176","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":637,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T01:40:06.734Z","text":"辩方律师自己说王艳平和于建明是郭的左右手","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9637325a78e5e00db176","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q72924a0d196af94e849a","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":638,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T01:40:16.086Z","text":"陪审团不知道王艳平认罪","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q72924a0d196af94e849a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q9210445ab805c51c3405","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":639,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T01:40:41.883Z","text":"但是他们知道王艳平是郭的左手，而大部分检方证人的证词都说王艳平指挥他们做事","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9210445ab805c51c3405","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q10763886388e9b09371f","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":640,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T01:41:05.308Z","text":"余建明也是一样","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q10763886388e9b09371f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qf1c25f7eded09f762574","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":641,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T01:41:13.914Z","text":"对的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0c405600b13bd43697b2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf1c25f7eded09f762574","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0c405600b13bd43697b2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q1c04801560379210a8d0","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":642,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T01:41:31.427Z","text":"检方证人大部分没有见过郭文贵本人，但是他们见过王艳平和于建明","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1c04801560379210a8d0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q8dcc21c6ede5a1a9bda2","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":643,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T01:42:31.570Z","text":"而且郭放弃了自辩","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8dcc21c6ede5a1a9bda2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q873d299f154fcba88ca8","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":644,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T01:42:46.050Z","text":"也就是说他知道所有事情，他都没说","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q873d299f154fcba88ca8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qf494b88cc4e92668a3d5","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":645,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T01:42:55.200Z","text":"所以庭审输了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf494b88cc4e92668a3d5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qaa59bb3573f75fbf29d8","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":646,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T01:43:09.736Z","text":"不要把所有事情怪到检方头上","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaa59bb3573f75fbf29d8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q613c7e7daf74bef674a5","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":647,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T01:43:17.390Z","text":"王是兜底的 王认罪认没收，是在郭庭审定罪之后\n按着郭的定罪条款，王认两条郭案无罪的罪\n既能保身，又能把郭按在牢里","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q613c7e7daf74bef674a5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q0f18a0435bb6b1529391","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":648,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-06-16T01:43:55.175Z","text":"金钱判决一旦产生，即具有终局性，后续即使发现所有权错位，法院也很难自我纠正，本案并不符合把金钱判决后再裁决所有权后最终没收的情形，因为所有权裁定结果不同，给予的金钱判决不同。只有在所有权裁定结果不影响金钱判决金额时，才可以分开进行。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qff380339a7f19ed73943","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0f18a0435bb6b1529391","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qff380339a7f19ed73943","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q8d167fdf280bb0e0f26e","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":649,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-06-16T01:44:09.821Z","text":"辩方开庭陈述亲口告诉陪审团王是核心\nDoc 382 第49行引庭审记录 Tr. 42,标注得很清楚是 (defendant's opening statement):\n\n「Ms. Wang was the head of operations. She ran the day-to-day of each business.」(郭的辩护律师·开庭陈述)\n\n几周的出庭证人证词反复讲王的角色(都在陪审团面前)\nDoc 382/388 引的全是庭审记录(Tr.),即陪审团当场听到的:\n\n王自称、并被称为郭的「right hand」、把郭叫「the Principal」(Tr. 425:25–426:4、433:21–25、1918:3–7);\nYa Li(出庭作证的农场领导) 作证与王协调农场「loan」付款(Tr. 1389);\nLimarie Reyes(G-Club 的 CEO) 作证「reported to Yvette(向王汇报)」(Tr. 2976:8);\n王雇 Khaled 建 Crane、雇 Jesse Brown、作为 Saraca 签字人执行 $1亿转账(Tr. 1915–1916、3638、GXZ1)。\n再加上她的共谋人陈述被采纳、当庭呈给陪审团——陪审团是在「王是被指控的共谋人」这个框架下听这些话的。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8d167fdf280bb0e0f26e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q9ffb218e60b4d63c9fe5","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":650,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-06-16T01:44:48.241Z","text":"检方在法庭上 讲了几天 她是助手 ，这些事她做的，她认了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ffb218e60b4d63c9fe5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q36e5063ba336d9ea252f","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":651,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T01:44:56.449Z","text":"853n针对的是信托权益，Gclub算是信托吗？喜币算吗？农场借贷算吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0f18a0435bb6b1529391","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q36e5063ba336d9ea252f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0f18a0435bb6b1529391","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qa454462d8ded53b726db","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":652,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-06-16T01:45:18.133Z","text":"其它小虾米证人 都是辅证这个叙事","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa454462d8ded53b726db","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q8120e9342abe5e37f492","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":653,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T01:45:50.378Z","text":"庭审输了，很大程度是辩方和郭的问题","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8120e9342abe5e37f492","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q04316635ccfc6d675b7b","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":654,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T01:46:01.175Z","text":"检方庭审其实很水的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q04316635ccfc6d675b7b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qe2178ce4158cf6fca175","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":655,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T01:46:14.066Z","text":"辩方和郭只要好好说话，不至于输","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe2178ce4158cf6fca175","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q51ca2308ae1e5e6bbde6","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":656,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-06-16T01:46:18.636Z","text":"认罪在定罪之前，承认全部没收也是是定罪之前。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q613c7e7daf74bef674a5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q51ca2308ae1e5e6bbde6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q613c7e7daf74bef674a5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qe5ca2a21a183e93d1f9d","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":657,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-06-16T01:46:26.175Z","text":"庭审输了 最大问题是 王的认罪","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe5ca2a21a183e93d1f9d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q48c6adeeabc392ba6f4c","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":658,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T01:46:37.863Z","text":"陪审团不知道王认罪","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe5ca2a21a183e93d1f9d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q48c6adeeabc392ba6f4c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe5ca2a21a183e93d1f9d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q416997fa48a217b569a0","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":659,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-06-16T01:46:40.429Z","text":"认罪配合检方叙事","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q416997fa48a217b569a0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qd234730294471bd7e288","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":660,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T01:46:53.232Z","text":"王根本没出现在庭审。是辩方说王是郭的左右手","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd234730294471bd7e288","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q2a074aaa53473309133f","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":661,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-06-16T01:47:10.282Z","text":"Gtv，gclub,农场借贷，hdo都算。hcn不算。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q36e5063ba336d9ea252f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2a074aaa53473309133f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q36e5063ba336d9ea252f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q21fbbba7e0c286760d39","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":662,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T01:47:15.059Z","text":"我说错了\n那就说明，王更是演员\n王量刑是25年2月\n随后开没收","edited":false,"reply_to":"q51ca2308ae1e5e6bbde6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q21fbbba7e0c286760d39","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q51ca2308ae1e5e6bbde6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q008072555268f88d64b8","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":663,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T01:47:59.236Z","text":"Gclub是会员费","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2a074aaa53473309133f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q008072555268f88d64b8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2a074aaa53473309133f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q4bcec73891eb2ccc6c08","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":664,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-06-16T01:49:14.950Z","text":"会员权益是买的，后面的每年定期交的那个才叫会员费。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q008072555268f88d64b8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4bcec73891eb2ccc6c08","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q008072555268f88d64b8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q4f03ee726719197cfc07","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":665,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T01:50:44.792Z","text":"对的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4bcec73891eb2ccc6c08","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f03ee726719197cfc07","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4bcec73891eb2ccc6c08","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qc72b353f34fd52bdd8e8","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":666,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T01:50:57.614Z","text":"那个[删节：隐私信息]10W Gclub","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc72b353f34fd52bdd8e8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q80d172c7dcaa6311888f","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":667,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T01:56:23.233Z","text":"你买了gclub之后，你的钱用来买了玛娃庄园，你的钱还被付了工资，所以你的钱已经被花了，这还能原路退回吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4bcec73891eb2ccc6c08","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q80d172c7dcaa6311888f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4bcec73891eb2ccc6c08","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q5aba1becf936abea06f5","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":668,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T01:56:53.926Z","text":"喜币如果还在账户里，那可能可以原路退回","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5aba1becf936abea06f5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qbc9665761d75b0ef29e5","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":669,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T01:57:14.624Z","text":"但问题是退给洗脚所，还是退给投资人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbc9665761d75b0ef29e5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qdcf6cf10539c17bb8110","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":670,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T01:57:46.155Z","text":"喜币已经是诈骗币了，只能退美元吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdcf6cf10539c17bb8110","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q05d14726be56ffb42a34","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":671,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-06-16T02:02:08.744Z","text":"按照诈骗罪成立的做法，会没收被告的资产用于补偿","edited":false,"reply_to":"q80d172c7dcaa6311888f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q05d14726be56ffb42a34","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q80d172c7dcaa6311888f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qfaf2cec1e36d1bc05483","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":672,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T02:02:52.474Z","text":"所以853n不可能成立","edited":false,"reply_to":"q05d14726be56ffb42a34","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfaf2cec1e36d1bc05483","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q05d14726be56ffb42a34","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qf767e22acb213d939090","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":673,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T02:03:01.331Z","text":"钱都被花了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf767e22acb213d939090","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q55270e8f44df17251716","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":674,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-16T02:03:14.128Z","text":"郭案结束了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q55270e8f44df17251716","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qd495f43ffbd935e2504f","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":675,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T02:03:23.468Z","text":"853n成立就是那个豪车公司","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd495f43ffbd935e2504f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qb60473ef956ec88abf88","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":676,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-16T02:03:25.270Z","text":"只是以什么方式而已","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb60473ef956ec88abf88","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qdbacf02ed225fabdaae2","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":677,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T02:03:28.109Z","text":"他的车还在","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdbacf02ed225fabdaae2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q35d7de988a91c6c58dd4","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":678,"speaker":"joh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😂","edited":false,"reply_to":"q35d7de988a91c6c58dd4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea2b30b46a46ab620db7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q35d7de988a91c6c58dd4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q960651e70e6705d307b6","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":685,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T02:04:49.350Z","text":"你作为受害者，可以要求检方把真正的骗子找出来。冤有头债有主。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q960651e70e6705d307b6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qa10c963ac1476ccac446","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":686,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-16T02:04:49.923Z","text":"tony 把一切都废掉","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa10c963ac1476ccac446","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q96307396d689171580ed","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":687,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-16T02:05:10.628Z","text":"你们看着吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q96307396d689171580ed","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q7812d3ecee1fb28b729c","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":688,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-16T02:05:14.327Z","text":"好戏开场了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7812d3ecee1fb28b729c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q131b0be3526d50163acd","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":689,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T02:05:23.842Z","text":"但是作为853n，你是没有资格的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q131b0be3526d50163acd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q7de1faed20e279e927d0","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":690,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-16T02:05:39.480Z","text":"托雷斯 郭案检察官 可能都会辞职","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7de1faed20e279e927d0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qb15b1c8d3c6ef6b4217f","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":691,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T02:05:55.507Z","text":"因为你不是853n，你的资产不是独立于这个诈骗案的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb15b1c8d3c6ef6b4217f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q7e62154e7d383a93abbb","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":692,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T02:06:02.076Z","text":"你是投资人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7e62154e7d383a93abbb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q64aff2ee9be09027777a","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":693,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-16T02:06:05.944Z","text":"这件事情会给他们的心里带来毁灭性的阴影","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64aff2ee9be09027777a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q385904ac7df0f5607094","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":694,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T02:06:08.641Z","text":"不是豪车公司","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q385904ac7df0f5607094","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q6a0226e901fb385be4d9","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":695,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-16T02:06:19.195Z","text":"他们再也无法在司法行业混","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6a0226e901fb385be4d9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qb8ea32f5404f7ed13276","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":696,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-06-16T02:07:01.986Z","text":"那就判成受害者。现在有自诉人主动当受害者美国政府都不敢承认。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q38db78bbbe89b7b5b90a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb8ea32f5404f7ed13276","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q38db78bbbe89b7b5b90a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qfb84239d2d1cade06ddc","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":697,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T02:07:12.977Z","text":"为啥你总是有这么多问题呢","edited":false,"reply_to":"qedc34677e4cb8b3393b2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfb84239d2d1cade06ddc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qedc34677e4cb8b3393b2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q8b1b32b4ee0616699999","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":698,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T02:07:22.431Z","text":"我怎么就没有遇到这么多问题","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8b1b32b4ee0616699999","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q1a9f8400dd64c44196a5","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":699,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T02:08:09.356Z","text":"是不是受害者，检方说了不算。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb8ea32f5404f7ed13276","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1a9f8400dd64c44196a5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb8ea32f5404f7ed13276","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qc0a778dc69d1d1e21be8","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":700,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T02:08:41.335Z","text":"你可以试试853n，但我有一种感觉，最后853n都会作废","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc0a778dc69d1d1e21be8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q2da425b247c031204074","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":701,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-06-16T02:09:56.008Z","text":"只要是与没收有关，都可以说。我是主张做资金追踪，资金追踪出来后，才轮到判是不是受害者。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb15b1c8d3c6ef6b4217f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2da425b247c031204074","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb15b1c8d3c6ef6b4217f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mub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还原事实真相","edited":false,"reply_to":"qedc34677e4cb8b3393b2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4c1b4537d36765027a66","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qedc34677e4cb8b3393b2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qdc24b1a073bd65acb762","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":703,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-06-16T02:11:04.657Z","text":"法院不能说，投资者没有资格，所以不做资金追踪。而是做了资金追踪后，才能判定是不是受害者。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc0a778dc69d1d1e21be8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdc24b1a073bd65acb762","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc0a778dc69d1d1e21be8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q4c0bd8b7ab8cb4adc547","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":704,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T02:11:29.367Z","text":"你随意","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2da425b247c031204074","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4c0bd8b7ab8cb4adc547","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2da425b247c031204074","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q3fa657bff75e9803da09","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":705,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-06-16T02:11:36.091Z","text":"大家有没有想过为什么Torres 自己427延期？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3fa657bff75e9803da09","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qfc08dc4e78a52cb02310","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":706,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-06-16T02:12:08.542Z","text":"她延期干啥？ 判了就得了呗。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfc08dc4e78a52cb02310","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q1f6eac7f5cde685494ee","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":707,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-06-16T02:12:42.547Z","text":"629两个月 屁事儿没做。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1f6eac7f5cde685494ee","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qfb4831febc388edabdd5","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":708,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T02:13:16.012Z","text":"我不负责任的猜测一下：她现在就在等一些愚蠢的自诉人给她递刀子呢","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfc08dc4e78a52cb02310","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfb4831febc388edabdd5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfc08dc4e78a52cb02310","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q0d03731f86bd8dd8c011","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":709,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-06-16T02:13:36.695Z","text":"不知道，你为何特别赞同政府的那个说法：只要钱进入G enterprise ，就可以没收。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4c0bd8b7ab8cb4adc547","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0d03731f86bd8dd8c011","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4c0bd8b7ab8cb4adc547","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q40b00a0f8e4f25b48e79","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":710,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T02:13:45.415Z","text":"我不同意","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0d03731f86bd8dd8c011","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q40b00a0f8e4f25b48e79","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0d03731f86bd8dd8c011","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qea1f0fc0ad63aa260c90","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":711,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T02:14:20.964Z","text":"但是我认为853n不是提出异议的好方式，cvra也可以对没收提出异议","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea1f0fc0ad63aa260c90","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q9f2a22e3677ffd2315ea","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":712,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T02:14:43.104Z","text":"辩方 [屏蔽词]李娜 应该和青藤有合作\n青会不会供出她🤣","edited":true,"reply_to":"q6a0226e901fb385be4d9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9f2a22e3677ffd2315ea","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6a0226e901fb385be4d9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q733acd84460a5bd4e236","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":713,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T02:15:01.705Z","text":"Cvra的涉及的范围更广，standing更硬","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q733acd84460a5bd4e236","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q390167323791b032e0ee","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":714,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T02:15:16.050Z","text":"853n很容易被检方打死","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q390167323791b032e0ee","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q644c67edcb6e7530f070","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":715,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T02:15:45.997Z","text":"这是我个人观点，你们随意","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q644c67edcb6e7530f070","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q438ab6a3912badecafb8","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":716,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T02:17:09.156Z","text":"判这个案子，就是判她自己\n除非她看破生死，想解脱","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfc08dc4e78a52cb02310","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q438ab6a3912badecafb8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfc08dc4e78a52cb02310","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qe1b6a936bcbc738bd62c","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":717,"speaker":"bla***","date":"2026-06-16T02:18:49.373Z","text":"共费钱应该给够了吧 够退休了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe1b6a936bcbc738bd62c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q4eb3db200249e9be0c19","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":718,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-06-16T02:18:50.244Z","text":"各有优缺点。有判例明确，rico诈骗案的受害者，只能被视为普通债权人主张赔偿。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q733acd84460a5bd4e236","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4eb3db200249e9be0c19","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q733acd84460a5bd4e236","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qb2bc57cb78dc4a174f7b","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":719,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T02:19:20.211Z","text":"所以他们死保破产案\n登记的优先债权人，先分钱","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4eb3db200249e9be0c19","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb2bc57cb78dc4a174f7b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4eb3db200249e9be0c19","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q075dec729533d194f3d7","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":720,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T02:19:44.703Z","text":"853n能做的，cvra都能做。853n不能做的，cvra也能做。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4eb3db200249e9be0c19","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q075dec729533d194f3d7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4eb3db200249e9be0c19","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qa8738ef4c2d6f3f547ec","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":721,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T02:20:19.697Z","text":"如果你最后的期待是拿钱，那853n会给你全额。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa8738ef4c2d6f3f547ec","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q4f556fb898b003f57bf7","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":722,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T02:20:35.808Z","text":"Cvra只会给你一部分。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f556fb898b003f57bf7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q2d5a7009974387213d2f","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":723,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T02:20:54.220Z","text":"但是如果你的期待不是拿钱，你不要钱，那就没什么差别了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2d5a7009974387213d2f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qf70413e0452469d58b32","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":724,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T02:22:25.428Z","text":"还在说什么853n","edited":false,"reply_to":"q075dec729533d194f3d7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf70413e0452469d58b32","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q075dec729533d194f3d7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qe316611f9ff0f41b7c5e","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":725,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T02:22:35.277Z","text":"王案没收，垮了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe316611f9ff0f41b7c5e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qccd503ca59497924173e","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":726,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T02:24:18.063Z","text":"有Tony的evidence，这个诈骗案，没收个屁","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qccd503ca59497924173e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q8c9035e2525f73267dc0","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":727,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-16T02:24:40.794Z","text":"你只需要知道 郭案结束了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q97fc0a2b676f0a0dbe72","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8c9035e2525f73267dc0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q11d1dfcccb2925b40387","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":728,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-06-16T02:24:45.216Z","text":"王认罪的部分和中国审判的危害国家安全罪重合了？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe316611f9ff0f41b7c5e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q11d1dfcccb2925b40387","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe316611f9ff0f41b7c5e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q4fec3ff4405592ce799b","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":729,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T02:25:02.544Z","text":"什么时候结束？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8c9035e2525f73267dc0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4fec3ff4405592ce799b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8c9035e2525f73267dc0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qeaa0b75f00f4d4109933","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":730,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-16T02:25:02.647Z","text":"哎呦 你这个 说到点子了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q11d1dfcccb2925b40387","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeaa0b75f00f4d4109933","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q11d1dfcccb2925b40387","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qd445345aa936db26718d","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":731,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-16T02:25:07.154Z","text":"那不知道","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4fec3ff4405592ce799b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd445345aa936db26718d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4fec3ff4405592ce799b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q108e5c0be152fef68bc3","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":732,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T02:25:11.743Z","text":"案子还在，但是诈骗的实施者，300骨干农场主，要被网进来","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q108e5c0be152fef68bc3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q723fbe66a17986eeb989","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":733,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-16T02:25:18.838Z","text":"但是向结束的方向收敛","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q723fbe66a17986eeb989","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q84a55c0dcecd8905b60d","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":734,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T02:25:33.215Z","text":"什么没收，还是直接赔偿，都是后话","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q84a55c0dcecd8905b60d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q0720c5e14262f11d096c","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":735,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T02:26:15.836Z","text":"restitution才是诈骗案的常规处理方式","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0720c5e14262f11d096c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qd7e03a36ce8b13ec21bc","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":736,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T02:26:48.334Z","text":"forfeiture是检方 luc 盖尔6000人 长岛青联盟 做局","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd7e03a36ce8b13ec21bc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q5d27042f33479c1dbaf9","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":737,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T02:27:30.860Z","text":"不止","edited":false,"reply_to":"q11d1dfcccb2925b40387","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d27042f33479c1dbaf9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q11d1dfcccb2925b40387","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qf58a09bf81d659f07f35","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":738,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T02:28:19.245Z","text":"中间环节的黄牛，也让投资的结构混乱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf58a09bf81d659f07f35","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q77fe2fcd96a51dc8a215","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":739,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T02:29:40.553Z","text":"农场主可不只是参与洗钱\n例如安红，魏丽红，买房子的钱，哪里来的，算不算诈骗消费","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q77fe2fcd96a51dc8a215","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qe3f30c5e41aec4815799","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":740,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-06-16T02:30:09.236Z","text":"记得庭审中有个事故么 一个陪审员上网搜索新闻  把信息告诉了其他陪审员 被另一个举报 然后开除","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe3f30c5e41aec4815799","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qbbfa89d087eaa4303d50","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":741,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T02:30:51.146Z","text":"托雷斯怕演戏穿帮🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe3f30c5e41aec4815799","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbbfa89d087eaa4303d50","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe3f30c5e41aec4815799","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qd81a7608b477bccfd9de","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":742,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T02:30:51.831Z","text":"那肯定的，不管怎么样，这个案子都是向结束的方向前进的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q723fbe66a17986eeb989","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd81a7608b477bccfd9de","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q723fbe66a17986eeb989","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qc8c55ea92f0680bb4f21","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":743,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T02:31:40.461Z","text":"对安红，完全可以仿照822那个flow 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