{"id":"batch-000119","number":119,"revision":1,"date_start":"2026-06-14T23:48:21.954Z","date_end":"2026-06-16T08:11:09.187Z","total_messages":1000,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 119 (Jun 14, 2026 – Jun 16, 2026), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. This batch argues over one Guo case as either a conviction-centered narrative or a rights-remedy process where procedure, victims, and remediation dominate. Core disputes are offense label severity, conspiracy scope, selective accountability, public-record access, and whether the matter is effectively over. Participants repeatedly cited internal markers such as Doc 388 \b401, Doc 382 (May 28) with Tr. 436:2","guide_en":[{"title":"Prosecution label and case characterization: misdemeanor narrative versus heavy \"subversion\" framing","description":"roy*** argued the charge could not be reduced to a minor public-order offense and argued that a stronger subversion label better fit the case, disputing how the offense was being framed. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qc07f157b7a7dcc2d96ba","qf56b8d349b1f870a1396"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qc07f157b7a7dcc2d96ba","summary_en":"roy*** argued the alleged offense was trivial in form but claimed \"subversion of the country\" was the more accurate characterization. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf56b8d349b1f870a1396","summary_en":"roy*** disputed the lesser charge framing, saying the disorderly-conduct label was too small. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"\"Publicly discoverable\" boundary dispute: full-file release versus visible-only scope","description":"spr*** argued key materials were public filings, while kir*** disputed that premise and contended that not all relevant records were confirmed public. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qff740e8d4a707e17d106","q1ad0995cdc280b3922bc"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qff740e8d4a707e17d106","summary_en":"spr*** argued that the records were public and pointed to the indictment and online materials. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q1ad0995cdc280b3922bc","summary_en":"kir*** disputed whether the documents were truly public and said it was unclear. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Whether the investment chain was central: funding supporters versus unclear transfer proof","description":"roy*** argued funding activity and related charges were central, while joh*** contended the record did not clearly document the transfer chain. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q4c5b00c4038d84ed9781","q312234a5e0cfc1284d12"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q4c5b00c4038d84ed9781","summary_en":"roy*** argued the case involved investment-related conduct and two offenses tied to a published article, treating finance as core. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q312234a5e0cfc1284d12","summary_en":"joh*** contended the filings were incomplete because the payment-receipt and transfer steps were omitted. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Conspiracy boundary and arrest scope: is the suspect list complete or narrowed","description":"joh*** argued the named participants were limited, and him*** contended the apprehension net had narrowed to only Guo and Wang, disputing responsibility boundaries. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qb9e6d915d718f694bac0","q99fb3a8f5d27435613d3"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qb9e6d915d718f694bac0","summary_en":"joh*** argued the documented names were mainly a short set and listed only several farm-linked people by name. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q99fb3a8f5d27435613d3","summary_en":"him*** disputed broader conspiracy inclusion, saying current actions covered only Guo and Wang. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Non-prosecution deal reality and effect: who signed, and whether it equals substantive cooperation","description":"joh*** argued non-prosecution could be consistent with witness treatment, while him*** disputed the existence and meaning of any such deal and labeled related claims as rumor. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q5c520c82c8c56296ca29","q34da514c4c5557d677fc","qf99c722c14da38c50cac"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q5c520c82c8c56296ca29","summary_en":"joh*** argued those individuals were not charged and tied that outcome to a witness-support rationale. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q34da514c4c5557d677fc","summary_en":"him*** disputed the claim, arguing such an agreement would require prosecutorial signing. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf99c722c14da38c50cac","summary_en":"him*** disputed that any non-prosecution agreement had in fact been reached and called it rumor. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Prosecutorial narrative versus process credibility: who established position first and why credibility is questioned","description":"Participants argued that prosecution narratives were being contested, with joh*** and him*** questioning credibility and procedural fairness around the evidence handling. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q2ed1454cc5bdede2182b","q5753a0acb7a07898541d"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q2ed1454cc5bdede2182b","summary_en":"joh*** argued the cited screenshot from filing 833 raised whether a fresh challenge against the prosecutor was needed. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q5753a0acb7a07898541d","summary_en":"him*** disputed prosecutorial credibility, claiming the prosecution had become unreliable. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Case closed or delayed: some claim dismissal, others wonder why proceedings continue","description":"him*** repeatedly argued the case was effectively dead, while also disputing why proceedings were still being delayed rather than concluded. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q1c11db6511d876d5764a","q5171082a147984701f1c","q77d0fda0a100cb224121"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q1c11db6511d876d5764a","summary_en":"him*** argued the case had already been abandoned. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q5171082a147984701f1c","summary_en":"him*** disputed the pace of the matter, asking why it was still being delayed. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q77d0fda0a100cb224121","summary_en":"him*** argued dismissal followed the court appearance of Luo Si Ge, reinforcing the claim the case was effectively over. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"CVRA and victim status tug-of-war","description":"kir*** and sar*** disputed victim qualification, with kir*** denying a listed user as a victim and sar*** asking whether second-review victim entry established verified-victim status. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qfc7ccb4ccbd7aa8351b9","q01c3c742423e44ff2393"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qfc7ccb4ccbd7aa8351b9","summary_en":"kir*** disputed that a cited user was a valid victim in the CVRA context. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q01c3c742423e44ff2393","summary_en":"sar*** asked whether entering at the second review as a victim meant verified-victim status, disputing the legal effect. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Procedural line shift to second appeal stage: mandatory order, reconsideration, stay, and filing path","description":"sar*** argued procedural status was uncertain for a renewed second-stage filing, while kir*** indicated a second-circuit path by shorthand reference to \"2巡,\" disputing next-step sequencing. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q985e63f6262a5b50b09e","qcc1b9d44c4fdeed91bf5"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q985e63f6262a5b50b09e","summary_en":"sar*** argued the first mandatory-order question may be unsettled and asked whether a new second-circuit filing with extra fee might be required. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qcc1b9d44c4fdeed91bf5","summary_en":"kir*** identified the dispute as moving to second review, signaling a procedural pivot. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Conviction base and trial evidence standard: witnesses, FRE 801(d)(2)(E), and jury hearing adequacy","description":"ton*** argued the evidentiary basis could include co-conspirator admissions and court-authorized questioning, while also claiming trial testimony framed Wang as an admitted assistant. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qf6e0960596082f8dbc09","q92d960b6265d5de1a875","q9ffb218e60b4d63c9fe5"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qf6e0960596082f8dbc09","summary_en":"ton*** argued Wang’s six out-of-court statements were being treated as co-conspirator statements under FRE 801(d)(2)(E), citing Doc 388 \b401. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q92d960b6265d5de1a875","summary_en":"ton*** argued that on May 28, 2024, Doc 382 indicated the court allowed questioning designed to elicit Wang’s statements (Tr. 436:2\u0000-437:22). Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q9ffb218e60b4d63c9fe5","summary_en":"ton*** argued the prosecutor repeatedly presented trial testimony that Wang acted as an assistant and accepted having done those actions. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Forfeiture and ownership disputes: 853(n), third-party challenges, and victim-payment property claims","description":"him*** and ton*** argued over asset ownership, with him*** claiming CVRA standing was stronger and others contending forfeiture statutes focus on money recovery mechanics rather than broader truth claims. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q1e532b57dd72b075bc92","q5b38a6c9fa8229b0724d","q24dafbf3016a8a4efe75"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q1e532b57dd72b075bc92","summary_en":"him*** argued the government could deny ownership by saying the funds had been paid to a \"G-series\" entity and were no longer the payer’s property. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q5b38a6c9fa8229b0724d","summary_en":"him*** argued CVRA standing was stronger on this line of dispute. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q24dafbf3016a8a4efe75","summary_en":"ton*** argued 853(n) is primarily a tool for obtaining money and contended participants were using it mainly as a factual-investigation forum. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"External politicization and pressure narratives: national-security, bias, or influence framing","description":"hel*** and kir*** argued the dispute may involve external power dynamics, with kir*** invoking cross-jurisdictional appeals over investment and hel*** seeking official channels. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qaf8ce4f97a9f95d112f5","qd03be1479f82b360d395"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qaf8ce4f97a9f95d112f5","summary_en":"hel*** argued that access to the current chief justice office contact route could matter, asking for official email details. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qd03be1479f82b360d395","summary_en":"kir*** argued China’s government could be a claimant regarding Luo Si Ge’s invested money, framing the matter politically. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Procedural irregularities and timing concerns: delay notices, docket, and clerk-level transparency","description":"hel*** and others disputed delay explanations and docket handling, arguing notices, postponement reasons, and clerical updates were opaque or potentially improvised. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q66199301424d38135aa5","qfdec0adfcfab8d9e0582","qa23db1a55d2c980e1fd0"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q66199301424d38135aa5","summary_en":"hel*** disputed whether another postponement around item 629 would happen and questioned the grounds. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qfdec0adfcfab8d9e0582","summary_en":"joh*** contested delay logic by joking a family death could be offered as a reason. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qa23db1a55d2c980e1fd0","summary_en":"reb*** argued docket status updates were unclear, asking if PACER had updated notice entries to mandatory orders for 850-start items. Community statements, not court findings."}]}],"summary":"讨论核心在于把同一案件理解为“刑事定罪后果链”还是“程序与受害者权利救济链”，分歧明显。围绕罪名定性、共谋边界和案件是否已“废案”形成持续对抗；“是否投资、谁是受害者、谁参与共谋”又不断重写责任圈。讨论者对检方叙事可信度和是否存在选择性追责分歧很大，免起诉协议、涉案高管是否达成和解也长期冲突。程序层面并行争议集中在CVRA动议、第二巡诉讼路径、强制令与补充请愿技术细节，并延展到没收财产的追踪与第三方权利、受害者身份认定。部分观点引入政治化与外部压力解释，另一些则强调证据标准与司法程序可检验性，整体呈现“难以归并为单一结论、争点持续扩张”的结构。","guide":[{"title":"起诉标签与案件性质先后争辩：轻罪叙事与“颠覆”等重罪标签并置","message_ids":["qc07f157b7a7dcc2d96ba","qf56b8d349b1f870a1396"]},{"title":"“公开可查”边界争议：全量资料与限于可见范围之间冲突","message_ids":["qff740e8d4a707e17d106","q1ad0995cdc280b3922bc"]},{"title":"投资链是否核心：支持者强调资金要素关键，反对者称材料未明示","message_ids":["q4c5b00c4038d84ed9781","q312234a5e0cfc1284d12"]},{"title":"共谋范围与“被抓/未被抓”划界：名单是否完整、责任链是否被缩窄","message_ids":["qb9e6d915d718f694bac0","q99fb3a8f5d27435613d3"]},{"title":"免起诉协议真假与作用：是否有约定、谁签约、是否等同实质认罪协助","message_ids":["q5c520c82c8c56296ca29","q34da514c4c5557d677fc","qf99c722c14da38c50cac"]},{"title":"检方叙事与程序可信度互毗：先设立场、回避细节、是否偏见性推进","message_ids":["q2ed1454cc5bdede2182b","q5753a0acb7a07898541d"]},{"title":"案件是否“废案”/拖延：部分成员预期终止，另一部分仍看好策略性推进","message_ids":["q1c11db6511d876d5764a","q5171082a147984701f1c","q77d0fda0a100cb224121"]},{"title":"CVRA与受害者资格拉锯：先确认身份才谈权利行使、协商和补救","message_ids":["qfc7ccb4ccbd7aa8351b9","q01c3c742423e44ff2393"]},{"title":"程序战线转向二巡：强制令、reconsideration、stay与上诉路径分歧","message_ids":["q985e63f6262a5b50b09e","qcc1b9d44c4fdeed91bf5"]},{"title":"定罪基础与庭审证据口径：证人、FRE 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陈微 都是演员","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7615a5d0cd26903d159d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q46b042f9f5d4a343f0ad","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":806,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T04:02:45.037Z","text":"阿哲 演员","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q46b042f9f5d4a343f0ad","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q92691baf556506ab296b","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":807,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T04:02:56.364Z","text":"阿刁 演员","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q92691baf556506ab296b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q22e172e64ee01a6d02d6","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":808,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T04:03:15.117Z","text":"拱猪 Julia 夏威夷的痘痘 演员","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q22e172e64ee01a6d02d6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q681a2e89b73e738ffe56","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":809,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-06-16T04:04:03.631Z","text":"根据托雷斯在王的量刑上对青的指导，受害者必须是主动配合了政府且主观上认为受到了伤害才行，不是政府说的只要投资了g系列，不是受害者就是共谋者。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf421b7d15f899785e643","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q681a2e89b73e738ffe56","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf421b7d15f899785e643","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q1158358e38c720b06441","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":810,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-06-16T04:04:23.686Z","text":"真正跳出來所謂作證的都是施爆者，是中共安排好的獵人","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7615a5d0cd26903d159d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1158358e38c720b06441","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7615a5d0cd26903d159d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qa4a57234114680aac6f3","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":811,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T04:07:00.579Z","text":"那，岂不是，张永兵 长岛 Sara Wei 戴 王雪冰 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妨碍国家安全","edited":false,"reply_to":"q574b856548fcf37b0b8d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q08b538fbd4bb387da838","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q574b856548fcf37b0b8d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q7e3c33e3d1bcec85ee9b","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":827,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-16T04:25:00.945Z","text":"只要定了这个罪 这笔钱 g系列 都可以用这个罪 所以 凡投资的 中国政府都可以出来申诉","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7e3c33e3d1bcec85ee9b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q19378b6b43065045ae59","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":828,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-06-16T04:25:01.491Z","text":"人家骗外国的人钱关你检方屁事儿","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q19378b6b43065045ae59","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qc864c08df31db6939c4f","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":829,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-16T04:25:26.644Z","text":"不止骗外国人","edited":false,"reply_to":"q19378b6b43065045ae59","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc864c08df31db6939c4f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q19378b6b43065045ae59","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qffd2ab8b2501174ef26d","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":830,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-16T04:25:36.783Z","text":"骗的外国人 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管辖权都没了 你还得瑟个啥","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd0109ec455ba2f817f41","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qeeb4659b8fefd76a4b42","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":835,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-16T04:26:23.820Z","text":"不可以 刑事案","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf3cdca06112f667c2003","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeeb4659b8fefd76a4b42","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf3cdca06112f667c2003","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qdc61e79419a814c9e6fc","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":836,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T04:31:39.794Z","text":"检方就要代表你投资者\n托雷斯就要代表中国政府\n辩方就要代表郭\n三个代表\n郭和江派上海帮斗，没想到，还是栽在江的口号上🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd0109ec455ba2f817f41","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdc61e79419a814c9e6fc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd0109ec455ba2f817f41","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q66199301424d38135aa5","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":837,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-06-16T04:45:37.056Z","text":"629，是否會再延期？托雷死以什麼理由延？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q66199301424d38135aa5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qfdec0adfcfab8d9e0582","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":838,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T04:46:18.048Z","text":"理由可以是 她家狗死了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfdec0adfcfab8d9e0582","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qbd02bc6409243d6f19f1","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":839,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-06-16T04:48:51.076Z","text":"不過，真再延期可以讓更多受害人落場參與自訴，大家都來講真相，講聯盟造證據，講法官檢查官被誤導⋯⋯","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbd02bc6409243d6f19f1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q57764b8969dd8859fedb","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":840,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T04:55:13.608Z","text":"他在这个案子 受害者 共谋 造假者 TD卡公司法人\n他美国身份，外国代理人是没跑了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q57764b8969dd8859fedb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q5d91dd3ca761dd5fba50","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":841,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T04:55:58.101Z","text":"他背后的主子，可能比郭，更希望他消失","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d91dd3ca761dd5fba50","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q1a3eb2fb82277c323310","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":842,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T04:57:06.808Z","text":"万恶之源，一个人污染整个案子，DOJ 250年的经典案例 \n名垂青史，难怪代号叫青藤","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1a3eb2fb82277c323310","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q44b460e9f002739764d2","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":843,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-06-16T04:58:22.748Z","text":"那抓住青一個都夠做了，案子全被這個周菊花幹翻了，氣死主子🤣\n壞人有時也被迫幹點好事","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5d91dd3ca761dd5fba50","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q44b460e9f002739764d2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d91dd3ca761dd5fba50","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qa23db1a55d2c980e1fd0","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":844,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-06-16T04:59:05.462Z","text":"之前南区上传了立案通知后，一开始court llistener上是notice other,过几天会改成强制令，850开始的这三个，现在还是notice 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3771）。该法案为联邦犯罪的受害者规定了一系列权利。 \n\nlaw.cornell.edu\n\n以下是其核心权利条款的中文翻译（基于官方英文文本）：(a) 犯罪受害者的权利犯罪受害者享有以下权利：受到合理保护免受被告侵害的权利。\n获得合理、准确、及时通知的权利：包括任何涉及该犯罪的公开法庭程序或假释程序，以及被告的任何释放或逃脱情况。\n不被排除在公开法庭程序之外的权利：除非法院在收到明确且令人信服的证据后认定，如果受害者听到其他证词，其证词将受到实质性改变，则不得排除。\n在地区法院涉及释放、认罪协议、量刑或任何假释程序的任何公开程序中获得合理陈述机会的权利。\n与政府律师合理协商的权利。\n获得法律规定的充分且及时赔偿的权利。\n程序不受不合理拖延的权利。\n受到公平对待、尊重其尊严和隐私的权利。\n及时获知任何认罪协议或延期起诉协议的权利。\n及时获知本节规定的权利以及1990年《受害者权利和赔偿法》第503(c)节所述服务（42 U.S.C. 10607(c)）的权利，并获得美国司法部受害者权利监察员办公室的联系信息。 \n\ngovinfo.gov\n\n其他重要规定权利的保障：在涉及犯罪受害者的法庭程序中，法院必须确保受害者获得上述权利。法院在决定是否排除受害者时，应尽力允许其最大限度出席，并考虑合理替代方案。 \n\nvictimsrightsnm.org\n\n最佳努力：司法部及其他联邦机构官员应尽最大努力通知并保障受害者的权利。检察官应告知受害者可就这些权利寻求律师意见。\n执行机制：受害者或其合法代表可主张这些权利。被告不得依据本章获得任何救济。如果多个受害者，法院可制定合理程序以避免过度复杂化诉讼。受害者可在地区法院提出动议主张权利；若被拒绝，可向上诉法院申请强制令（mandamus），上诉法院须在72小时内处理。\n适用范围：主要适用于联邦犯罪，也在一定范围内适用于州定罪后的联邦人身保护令程序。\n\n注意：这是联邦层面的《犯罪受害者权利法案》。美国许多州也有自己的受害者权利法（如加州的Marsy's Law），内容可能有所补充或类似。 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都是属于违反cvra","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0ae7692f4676af846e85","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qc93365f4a814c4dd499c","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":867,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T06:18:01.072Z","text":"CVRA应该是检方最为忌惮的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc93365f4a814c4dd499c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q25b9243e927ea3ecb927","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":868,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T06:18:19.454Z","text":"检方对二巡四个CVRA的反应","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q25b9243e927ea3ecb927","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q3776c72fbae8ae23bff3","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":869,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T06:18:46.906Z","text":"羊 青 屁酱 长岛帮 等等 都反对当受害者","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3776c72fbae8ae23bff3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q0fc27c27af732452de3f","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":870,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T06:19:53.527Z","text":"看来，CVRA就是砸检方饭碗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0fc27c27af732452de3f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qdb0652e5f1f01a76330d","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":871,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T06:20:08.927Z","text":"对，检方根本不care 853n","edited":false,"reply_to":"q25b9243e927ea3ecb927","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdb0652e5f1f01a76330d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q25b9243e927ea3ecb927","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qf8f276458a9d8727feed","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":872,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T06:20:41.378Z","text":"Doe 853n也 stay了，检方都没有打他","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf8f276458a9d8727feed","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q8962d3aa307bfa109ab9","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":873,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T06:20:58.279Z","text":"检方只打了cvra那四个人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8962d3aa307bfa109ab9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qba02999fc84cc08af0ec","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":874,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T06:21:37.636Z","text":"853n 检方认为，都是可控范围，主动权在检方\n量刑，没收以后再考虑这些","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qba02999fc84cc08af0ec","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qbfd31e57397b29c25219","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":875,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T06:21:37.652Z","text":"[删节：成员身份]最后就是把钱退给你，完事儿","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbfd31e57397b29c25219","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q352c38e7494157ba8438","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":876,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T06:21:55.981Z","text":"对，只要把钱退给你，你就闭嘴，完事儿","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q352c38e7494157ba8438","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q0771126f09386f57041e","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":877,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T06:22:11.543Z","text":"[删节：成员身份]不就是要钱吗","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0771126f09386f57041e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q8a5e13ace964c15105bd","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":878,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T06:22:22.175Z","text":"先假表骗[删节：成员身份]\n被拆穿，才说[删节：成员身份]\n但明白这部分结局，依旧是走remission","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8a5e13ace964c15105bd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qbc5e08c022fd0f41bc14","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":879,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T06:22:26.092Z","text":"钱都给你了，你还有什么说的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbc5e08c022fd0f41bc14","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q261aa613c1fde029bb85","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":880,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T06:23:37.299Z","text":"Cvra不是去要钱的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q261aa613c1fde029bb85","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qf5a2e50019fac4576423","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":881,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T06:23:43.823Z","text":"看最近咖啡文乐/周乐的推，绕了几圈，还是推广remission","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbc5e08c022fd0f41bc14","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf5a2e50019fac4576423","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbc5e08c022fd0f41bc14","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q45f3fc3be4e06b145a0f","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":882,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T06:23:47.334Z","text":"Cvra提的是程序问题","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q45f3fc3be4e06b145a0f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q0d1fa34c6f5a18c53bb3","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":883,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T06:25:53.115Z","text":"问了机器人，机器人说，可以做","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6046068aca0749a2de84","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0d1fa34c6f5a18c53bb3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6046068aca0749a2de84","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q4d1c8be3a9145fd16995","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":884,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T06:26:37.845Z","text":"机器人说这个方法挺好的，可以先在地区法院发一个动议","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4d1c8be3a9145fd16995","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q2acde12f99bf07b8d989","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":885,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T06:34:37.323Z","text":"你这个思路有道理：CVRA 里“与检方合理协商的权利”确实是一个比“法院不给上传/不给 docket”更直接的 CVRA 权利入口，因为它明文写在 18 U.S.C. § 3771(a)(5)：犯罪受害者有“reasonable right to confer with the attorney for the Government”的权利。CVRA 也允许受害者向地区法院主张这些权利，若被拒绝，可向上诉法院申请 mandamus。\n但是它也有几个限制：\n第一，这个权利通常不是“要求检方接受我的观点”，也不是“要求检方回答所有问题”。它更像是：如果你是或可能是 CVRA victim，政府在重大程序前应当给你一个合理机会，让你表达意见、了解情况、提出关切，尤其是 plea、sentencing、restitution、forfeiture/victim treatment 等相关问题。\n第二，最好先在地区法院提出。CVRA mandamus 的正常路径是：先向 district court 主张 CVRA 权利；如果 district court 不处理、拒绝、或程序上让权利落空，再向 Second Circuit 走 mandamus。直接去 Second Circuit 要求检方协商，可能被认为还没有先向下级法院请求 relief。\n第三，这个入口可能比“docketing”更像 CVRA 本身，但不一定更容易赢 stay。因为“不给 docket”是一个清楚的法院程序问题,协商权则可能被政府说成“我们已经给过一般通知/网站/邮件/程序安排了”或“你不是认定 victim”。\n最好的打法可能是：在地区法院 filed 一个非常短的 CVRA letter/motion，标题围绕 “right to confer” 和 “victim-status clarification”，请求法院要求政府在 sentencing 前给你合理协商机会，或至少说明你为什么不被纳入 victim-conferral process。这样可以制造一个更清楚的 CVRA record。\n可以这样定位：\n我不是要求法院现在判定财产归属；我也不是要求检方采纳我的立场。我只是作为受影响投资者/潜在 CVRA victim，要求在 sentencing 前获得 CVRA 下与检方合理协商的机会，或要求政府/法院在记录上说明为何我被排除在 victim-conferral process 之外。\n这个路径的优势是：它直接抓住 CVRA 的明文权利，比单纯说“请 docket 我的文件”更接近 § 3771(a) 权利本身。\n我是受影响投资者，主张潜在 CVRA 权利；如果身份有争议，请法院基于记录作出可审查的认定。\n我的判断：可以做，但最好先在地区法院做一个很短的 request，不建议直接在 Second Circuit 开一个全新的 mandamus。［用户 chu***］","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2acde12f99bf07b8d989","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q1b20dd6e77d8afeb7f47","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":886,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T06:35:26.240Z","text":"和南区先商量 好好说话","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2acde12f99bf07b8d989","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1b20dd6e77d8afeb7f47","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2acde12f99bf07b8d989","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q40030969aea9e9e96379","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":887,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T06:35:39.745Z","text":"南区不理 不好意思，二巡见","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q40030969aea9e9e96379","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q220242d2aa96386a4578","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":888,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T06:38:12.843Z","text":"受害者对plea有发言权","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q220242d2aa96386a4578","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q0e6c2e00b60577b0b169","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":889,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T06:38:33.187Z","text":"那王艳平的plea，受害者有没有发言权啊？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0e6c2e00b60577b0b169","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q64731fd5be471bc2575c","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":890,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T06:39:11.554Z","text":"有","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0e6c2e00b60577b0b169","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64731fd5be471bc2575c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0e6c2e00b60577b0b169","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q3d7bf4bb7eea2f5fab79","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":891,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T06:39:38.587Z","text":"王认罪有一个wire fraud","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3d7bf4bb7eea2f5fab79","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q3e44e39e000c83476f09","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":892,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T06:40:57.060Z","text":"洗钱launder是她干的 没错\n但fraud 应该可以质疑","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3e44e39e000c83476f09","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q94208ddd88234c72cc41","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":893,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T06:46:02.438Z","text":"何况，这个关于GTV的fraud，在郭案经过陪审团，认定是无罪","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q94208ddd88234c72cc41","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qb36418bb69dcdbf3b695","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":894,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T06:51:29.559Z","text":"Tony一个CVRA\n可以同时挑战\n王案没收\n质疑plea","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb36418bb69dcdbf3b695","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qd3505c4913dee01542c2","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":895,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-16T06:51:50.359Z","text":"质疑plea居然都可以啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb36418bb69dcdbf3b695","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd3505c4913dee01542c2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb36418bb69dcdbf3b695","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qca7bd703869ed3199325","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":896,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-16T06:52:01.677Z","text":"［用户 him***］ 怎么质疑？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qca7bd703869ed3199325","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q90762c521f2582eab7e9","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":897,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T06:54:02.210Z","text":"记录里，她只plea在GTV的wire fraud和laundering\n但是同意的没收范围，远超过GTV","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q90762c521f2582eab7e9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q3a0261caf52eacfc30d9","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":898,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-06-16T06:57:31.482Z","text":"［用户 him***］ 再查查，现在进行强制令的受害者，可不可以同时再行驶协商的权利!","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3a0261caf52eacfc30d9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q16e0b5ac0a6032a06de1","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":899,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-16T06:57:53.399Z","text":"1 检方不可能理","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q16e0b5ac0a6032a06de1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qcc049c7bbc4dba52c77d","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":900,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-06-16T06:57:54.098Z","text":"［用户 kir***］ 你也查查。瑞恩可不可以行驶协商的权利","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcc049c7bbc4dba52c77d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q4a91133f5f4811dc8b8e","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":901,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-16T06:58:05.344Z","text":"2 检方最多说 你不是受害者","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4a91133f5f4811dc8b8e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q96e60a05c36f56379f2d","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":902,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-16T06:58:17.493Z","text":"你可以用这个借口切入强制令","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q96e60a05c36f56379f2d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q698a8f3e618395b3a201","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":903,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-16T06:58:23.170Z","text":"但其实和不上传也没啥区别","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q698a8f3e618395b3a201","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qc872639b19799f4a85fa","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":904,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-16T06:58:44.907Z","text":"但二巡是法院 管不了司法部 是间接管","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc872639b19799f4a85fa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q5e7baf4b675a305c7ed1","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":905,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-16T06:59:00.486Z","text":"不上传 二巡有管辖权 因为是法官不上传","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5e7baf4b675a305c7ed1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q5fe57fd166a3eec9a1fb","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":906,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T06:59:41.238Z","text":"可以质疑 plea，但要分清楚：CVRA 受害者通常不能“推翻 plea”或替代检方决定是否认罪协议；能质疑的是 plea 过程中是否侵犯了 CVRA 程序权利，例如没有通知、没有合理协商、没有合理听取、plea 的 factual basis 或 victim/restitution/forfeiture 叙述影响受害者权利但没有给你机会参与。\nCVRA 明文包括几个和 plea 有关的权利：合理、准确、及时通知公开程序；在涉及 plea 的公开程序中被合理听取；与政府律师合理协商；被公平对待；以及依法获得 restitution。但 plea 本身主要由检方、被告和法院根据 Rule 11 处理。法院接受 guilty plea 时，要确认认罪是 knowing、voluntary，并有 factual basis。\n你可以从这几个角度“质疑 plea”：\n第一，质疑 CVRA right to confer 被侵犯。\n不是说“plea 无效”，而是说：在 plea 被接受前，政府没有给潜在/已主张的受害者合理协商机会，尤其当 plea 影响 victim classification、restitution、forfeiture、loss amount、victim count 或 sentencing record 时。请求法院要求政府说明是否提供过 conferral，若没有，请求补救。\n第二，质疑 right to be reasonably heard at plea proceeding。\nCVRA 允许受害者在涉及 plea 的公开程序中被合理听取。你可以说：如果 plea 或 factual proffer 中包含影响受害者身份、损失、返还、没收、或第三方权利的内容，受影响者应有合理机会表达程序性意见。重点不是要求法院接受你的立场，而是要求“on the record”的机会。\n第三，质疑 plea factual basis 对你造成后续程序影响。\n比如 plea 中把某些资金、实体、受害者类别、损失叙述、forfeiture narrative 固定下来，可能影响 sentencing、restitution 或 § 853(n)。你可以说：所有权和 tracing 仍应由 § 853(n) 解决，但如果 plea/factual basis 预先把第三方财产描述成犯罪收益，法院应避免让这个叙述在没有第三方参与的情况下损害后续权利。\n第四，质疑政府使用不一致的 victim 定义。\n如果政府一方面说有大量 victims，另一方面把某些投资者称为 supporters/non-victims，而这些分类影响 plea、sentencing、restitution 或 forfeiture，那么你可以要求政府/法院说明分类标准。\n但是要避免这样写：\nI challenge the plea agreement and ask the Court to vacate it.\n这个太强，受害者一般很难获得这种 relief，而且 CVRA 也通常不让受害者控制检方 charging 或 plea discretion。\n如果现在要做，最合适不是直接“challenge plea”，而是在地区法院提交一个短 motion/letter：\n“Letter Requesting CVRA Conferral and Preservation of Objections to Plea-Related Victim, Restitution, and Forfeiture Classifications”\n核心请求可以是：\n要求政府在 sentencing 前与你进行合理协商，或说明为什么排除你；\n要求法院确认 plea/factual basis ownership/tracing/priority；\n要求任何 victim classification、loss、restitution、forfeiture narrative 都通过可审查记录处理；\n保留你对 plea-related factual assertions 的程序性异议，但不请求撤销 plea。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qca7bd703869ed3199325","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5fe57fd166a3eec9a1fb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qca7bd703869ed3199325","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q8eb82c98fcedba47dbf0","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":907,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-16T07:00:16.773Z","text":"二巡一般不会强制检方 因为不是一个部门 但可以研究怎么间接","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd976b11602561e4b87c5","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8eb82c98fcedba47dbf0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q5534d3c695e12e796786","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":908,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-16T07:01:58.290Z","text":"［用户 him***］  一般怎么让二巡打检方","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5534d3c695e12e796786","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qd1e6c57735a8c3dd0ce6","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":909,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-16T07:02:22.692Z","text":"命令检方更费劲 因为不是一个部门😂","edited":false,"reply_to":"q85d60fde40aa1ebb3cb1","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd1e6c57735a8c3dd0ce6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qab01d9faf29f37fde371","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":910,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-16T07:04:39.788Z","text":"检方说 chunk chyi 打检方的时候 不是受害者","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qab01d9faf29f37fde371","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qf1caa59fc10e178fb40d","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":911,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-16T07:04:44.547Z","text":"算损失的时候 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CVRA mandamus 的人，仍然可以同时行使 CVRA 下“与检方合理协商”的权利。 两者不是互相排斥的。\n区别是：\nmandamus 是向上诉法院请求救济的程序工具；\nright to confer 是 CVRA 里的实体/程序权利之一。\nCVRA 明文列出犯罪受害者有“与政府律师合理协商”的权利，也允许受害者在地区法院主张 CVRA 权利；如果地区法院拒绝救济，可以向上诉法院申请 mandamus。\n所以你可以同时做两件事：\n第一，在 Second Circuit 的 mandamus继续主张：地区法院没有 docket、没有处理、没有可审查命令，导致你的 CVRA 权利和记录完整性受损。\n第二，在 district court 另行或补充请求：作为受影响投资者/潜在 CVRA victim，你要求在 sentencing 前与检方进行合理协商，或者要求政府/法院说明为什么你被排除在 victim-conferral process 之外。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3a0261caf52eacfc30d9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa43af03dc030e6c2e487","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3a0261caf52eacfc30d9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q9d147111943a6a9d06fc","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":917,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-16T07:20:30.210Z","text":"正如你所说，如果这些中国公民在把钱交给被告之前，这笔资金就已经因为涉嫌组织、资助危害国家安全活动，或者通过非法洗钱、地下钱庄等行为逃避外汇监管，触犯了中国《刑法》第107条或第64条：\n• 钱的性质在“被骗前”就已经改变：在它们离开中国、或在它们汇入被告指定的账户前，这笔钱在法律上就已经变成了**“国安涉案赃款”或“法定违禁品”**。\n• 合法所有权的剥夺：根据中国主权法律的属人管辖，这些中国公民已经失去了对这笔资金的合法持有资格。他们手里拿的是一笔“依法应当上缴中国国库的脏钱”。\n• 定罪逻辑崩塌：既然这些人在“被骗”时，对这笔钱已经没有了合法的财产利益，那么被告拿走这笔钱的行为，在法律上就变成了“黑吃黑”或“处置一笔本身就违法的政治流转资金”。美国联邦法院怎么可能去保护一笔“没有合法所有权的受害者资金”？\n如果对物的所有权都不存在，那么检方构建的“郭文贵剥夺了受害者合法财产”的整个定罪基石，就成了一句空话。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9d147111943a6a9d06fc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qb5bbf1d25d4bc6421984","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":918,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-16T07:22:22.744Z","text":"1: 所有大陆的投资 都不能用来定罪 没收\n2: 所有海外中国公民的投资 都不能用来定罪 没收","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9d147111943a6a9d06fc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb5bbf1d25d4bc6421984","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9d147111943a6a9d06fc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q62e1ba53761a1921ad72","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":919,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-16T07:22:53.569Z","text":"这些全都是中国政府的钱 郭文贵骗中国政府的钱 美国管不着","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q62e1ba53761a1921ad72","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q79c766081b99b1ef7b1d","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":920,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-16T07:23:02.432Z","text":"没有管辖权","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q79c766081b99b1ef7b1d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q61b4b3420a64c8628b0c","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":921,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-16T07:24:32.637Z","text":"凡是中国护照人投资的g系列 中国政府都能来申诉","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q61b4b3420a64c8628b0c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qab69291722d6067852f9","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":922,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-16T07:24:50.013Z","text":"诈骗 洗钱 电汇欺诈 都不成立","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qab69291722d6067852f9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qfa9c4bc2eae9cc9ef6aa","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":923,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-16T07:25:22.947Z","text":"这是美国史上最严重的司法 外交丑闻","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfa9c4bc2eae9cc9ef6aa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qe87a65c3b0d0f7dd9f71","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":924,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-16T07:25:28.824Z","text":"比水门事件严重一万倍","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe87a65c3b0d0f7dd9f71","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qe77b99b43b577a975f35","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":925,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-16T07:29:35.792Z","text":"完了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe77b99b43b577a975f35","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q56f342fb67a44e004f28","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":926,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-16T07:29:42.314Z","text":"这事情大了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q56f342fb67a44e004f28","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q2679680cfc4594abfa66","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":927,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-16T07:29:55.220Z","text":"这是美国250年来从未有过的政治 司法丑闻","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2679680cfc4594abfa66","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q80a513e37853449e054b","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":928,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-06-16T07:30:03.355Z","text":"[删节：成员身份] 把犯罪受害者权利法案挨个条款过滤","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q80a513e37853449e054b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q24f73059267f0fa99b57","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":929,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-16T07:30:07.843Z","text":"搞不好中美要开战","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q24f73059267f0fa99b57","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q53382eaaa9fabf759816","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":930,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-16T07:30:11.054Z","text":"就因为这个","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q53382eaaa9fabf759816","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qe2cb55dd70a472322527","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":931,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-16T07:31:39.047Z","text":"我明白为什么托雷斯啥都不干了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe2cb55dd70a472322527","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q393000f8edd4eb339d52","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":932,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-16T07:31:55.526Z","text":"因为这事情根本不是她一个小小的地区法官敢管的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q393000f8edd4eb339d52","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q1db1d158aa41341f1a30","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":933,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-16T07:33:08.160Z","text":"这个事情 最后可能会到最高法","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1db1d158aa41341f1a30","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q57b33d665d2c87001927","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":934,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-16T07:33:12.994Z","text":"大了！！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q57b33d665d2c87001927","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q40f4500def3dc58a5586","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":935,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T07:37:17.383Z","text":"青 尴尬了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q40f4500def3dc58a5586","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qf2a6de9ec669168c5b69","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":936,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T07:37:24.392Z","text":"美国身份","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf2a6de9ec669168c5b69","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qa2ceff64980045d0b96f","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":937,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T07:38:00.845Z","text":"忽悠中国投资者，造假材料","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa2ceff64980045d0b96f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qc974baa35f213200dde4","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":938,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T07:38:22.442Z","text":"他属于，哪头的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc974baa35f213200dde4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q6473b097c973933c4ed6","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":939,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-16T07:38:44.541Z","text":"我觉得这个事情最有可能的结局 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量刑就被污染","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q54fac2647f24d6a709d2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qc7cf4ad83fe45ac50401","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":942,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-16T07:39:34.416Z","text":"托雷斯 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锅都给300骨干\n跨国诈骗团伙","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1cd93f458e4e2c447cc1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qf05061f275c742a0d633","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":945,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T07:40:13.679Z","text":"准确的做法是：请求二巡要求检方回应、解释、或把问题发回/指令地区法院要求检方在记录上说明。\n你可以走这几个入口：\n1. 请求二巡 order the Government to respond\n在 mandamus 里，二巡可以要求 respondent/政府提交 answer 或 opposition。你不能强迫检方回答每个问题，但可以请求法院命令政府回应具体 CVRA 问题。FRAP 21 允许上诉法院要求 respondent 回答 mandamus petition；FRAP 27 也允许法院处理 motion 并要求回应。\n2. 请求二巡命令地区法院要求检方说明\n因为 mandamus 的对象通常是法院行为或不作为。你可以说：请二巡指令地区法院在 sentencing 前要求政府说明分类标准，或由地区法院作出可审查认定\n3. 用 CVRA right to confer 作为入口\nCVRA 明文有“与政府律师合理协商”的权利，也有在 plea/sentencing 被合理听取、及时通知、公平对待等权利。这个入口比单纯“我文件没有被 docket”更像 CVRA 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和上传动议 谁大","edited":false,"reply_to":"q31b1fa8ffe22b7e87749","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe75f285ffa747474c9b3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q31b1fa8ffe22b7e87749","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qc816c7bdaac2c8417012","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":955,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T07:42:04.442Z","text":"你们可以在二巡打","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc816c7bdaac2c8417012","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q6ef387c374cc60cf039e","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":956,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T07:42:19.578Z","text":"没什么难度","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe75f285ffa747474c9b3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6ef387c374cc60cf039e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe75f285ffa747474c9b3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q68d35bae70ec15187220","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":957,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T07:42:24.215Z","text":"南区上二巡，口气感觉是在教训二巡，教他们做事","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q68d35bae70ec15187220","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qfc495e0d8a2a8149b549","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":958,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-16T07:42:25.060Z","text":"好吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfc495e0d8a2a8149b549","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q5d411018b3c8f1f870c0","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":959,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T07:42:34.689Z","text":"你在二巡和检方打，是应该的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d411018b3c8f1f870c0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qb04526689c7e16e038a9","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":960,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T07:42:40.160Z","text":"检方是你的对立方","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb04526689c7e16e038a9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qef351c6d9baa4223557b","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":961,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T07:42:56.291Z","text":"他之前不是还打你吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qef351c6d9baa4223557b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qef6492a5cfd550a5272a","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":962,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T07:43:03.317Z","text":"所以 检方说你不是受害者","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qef6492a5cfd550a5272a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q4d86f38978e7a036f138","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":963,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T07:43:09.109Z","text":"你就要说是","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4d86f38978e7a036f138","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q297307875d859b2a5bb9","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":964,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T07:43:46.265Z","text":"检方代表不了受害者，没有维护受害者CVRA权利 检方换波律师吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q297307875d859b2a5bb9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q9b099ec8b84f1f63461c","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":965,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T07:50:34.672Z","text":"这帮人没钱了 经费不够使","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf25d6642bc92ad80c475","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9b099ec8b84f1f63461c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q015ec96450655146f1cd","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":966,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T07:51:25.649Z","text":"再不发狗粮，网格员都要躺平了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q015ec96450655146f1cd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q7627417103f57d574259","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":967,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-16T07:52:03.130Z","text":"Tony 只要在动议中把这层国际法和中国《刑法》的保护管辖权逻辑甩在法官面前，法官和检方就必须面对一个地缘政治死结：美国司法强行没收分配这笔钱，是不是在公然庇护、洗清一笔国际公认的、涉及主权自卫权的危害国安犯罪资产？ 这种重大外交风险，美国司法部根本背不起。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7627417103f57d574259","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q8a45376955cc0eb4d1b5","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":968,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T07:53:28.399Z","text":"这还没收个鸟","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7627417103f57d574259","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8a45376955cc0eb4d1b5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7627417103f57d574259","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qca0ee160e300d636f24b","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":969,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T07:53:43.526Z","text":"指不定王燕平，也要被检方卖","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qca0ee160e300d636f24b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q42345d374631485ec18f","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":970,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T07:53:53.383Z","text":"瞎认罪干嘛","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q42345d374631485ec18f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qf7699e7fad36e386455a","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":971,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-16T07:53:54.141Z","text":"这就是为什么tony强制令 南区一个月都不敢上传","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8a45376955cc0eb4d1b5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf7699e7fad36e386455a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8a45376955cc0eb4d1b5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qe4fd5cfd5718bb38b06e","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":972,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-16T07:54:46.543Z","text":"还是tony发文件去打 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卖300代理人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q49a43bca04fd2f2162f8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q97db947bee6b9dca3e41","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":978,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T07:56:23.296Z","text":"保自己颜面","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q97db947bee6b9dca3e41","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qcb553812217daa572e06","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":979,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T07:58:06.954Z","text":"如果他不协商，你可以去二巡","edited":false,"reply_to":"q597ead392c651b48de6a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcb553812217daa572e06","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q597ead392c651b48de6a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q26ddc836f73e8084f633","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":980,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T07:59:04.982Z","text":"如果检方不协商，你去二巡申请强制令，这个强制令一定会立案，因为这是CVRA的要求","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q26ddc836f73e8084f633","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qe09b5b904d8596427485","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":981,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-06-16T07:59:08.721Z","text":"不知道還有多少人會繼續＂投資＂🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":"q015ec96450655146f1cd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe09b5b904d8596427485","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q015ec96450655146f1cd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q84a043aad370f051a7be","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":982,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-06-16T07:59:20.283Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息]","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q84a043aad370f051a7be","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qcb4884ac56e9d8cb0f81","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":983,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-06-16T08:02:11.457Z","text":"擦，螺丝哥又扯开一个口子，逼着检方说话。二巡跟检方不是一个系统，立案应该不会有太多顾虑。当然检方也不怕二巡，但实际效果如何就不知道了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcb553812217daa572e06","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcb4884ac56e9d8cb0f81","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcb553812217daa572e06","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q2f0726e02b94a306b67e","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":984,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-06-16T08:03:35.497Z","text":"这个过程应该是，与政府协商达不成一致，上南区。南区说协商是你情我愿的事情，不予受理。但实际发生的过程是，政府根本就不理你。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q26ddc836f73e8084f633","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2f0726e02b94a306b67e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q26ddc836f73e8084f633","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qa35b4c4b9a2853348a55","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":985,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-16T08:04:42.271Z","text":"可以试试","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa35b4c4b9a2853348a55","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q0202ad550533a4d64aab","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":986,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-16T08:05:45.065Z","text":"检方现在不跟你玩了 哈哈哈哈哈","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbc80c74329a01e0f8ad8","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0202ad550533a4d64aab","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qc53900328b64780443e2","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":987,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T08:05:46.396Z","text":"检方必须协商","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2f0726e02b94a306b67e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc53900328b64780443e2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2f0726e02b94a306b67e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q19ace949940d0f624a8a","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":988,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T08:06:01.172Z","text":"不然就是二巡","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q19ace949940d0f624a8a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qc8274356aaba4c407734","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":989,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-06-16T08:06:24.563Z","text":"我們受害者要求要檢方換律師，現在的律師不聽我的聲音、代表不了我🤭","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc8274356aaba4c407734","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q22ee55989eb9a40f5133","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":990,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T08:06:28.416Z","text":"检方量刑前必须和受害者协商","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q22ee55989eb9a40f5133","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qfce13b6fff3e6b909009","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":991,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T08:06:56.786Z","text":"这就是当受害者的好处，你有很多权利","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfce13b6fff3e6b909009","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q8014e40368a4d4453267","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":992,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-16T08:07:21.368Z","text":"你现在想起协商了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8014e40368a4d4453267","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q68b20d6548c6f3e8571f","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":993,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T08:07:37.875Z","text":"协商的意思不是商量","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q68b20d6548c6f3e8571f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qa5f0502631c11c519696","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":994,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T08:07:44.804Z","text":"是向检方提出问题","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa5f0502631c11c519696","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q74a852bbb268be1ed422","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":995,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T08:09:22.412Z","text":"其实不一定是法庭认定的受害者才可以协商，所有的潜在的受害者都可以协商（问检方问题）","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q74a852bbb268be1ed422","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q478dd4c0f917103e9c51","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":996,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-06-16T08:10:21.119Z","text":"檢方律師完全100%不聽我這個受害者的聲音，侵犯莫視我cvra的權利和利益，換一批聽受害者聲音的律師","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q478dd4c0f917103e9c51","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"q18230ce2f0a88760eae5","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":997,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-16T08:10:38.721Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 我觉得现在完全过了检方能和你协商的阶段了","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q18230ce2f0a88760eae5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qdc2c10e9e28937ab002c","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":998,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-16T08:10:49.955Z","text":"733之后 检方就不可能了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdc2c10e9e28937ab002c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qe58f9d9ce6174e3c833f","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":999,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T08:11:04.939Z","text":"协商的时候，你就可以提出各种问题","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe58f9d9ce6174e3c833f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"},{"id":"qe12d11e1d2acbbcc0fde","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":1000,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-16T08:11:09.187Z","text":"检方要回答你","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe12d11e1d2acbbcc0fde","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000118","next_batch_id":"batch-000120"}