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哈哈","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbafb5732cbea26e76b4a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7d8114355b265ca2950d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbafb5732cbea26e76b4a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q26b28eb61f80f82c76ca","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":207,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-19T03:25:33.402Z","text":"可是上面sarah同学好像很生气啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7fc02082a2d70dc9d574","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q26b28eb61f80f82c76ca","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q190b2dedb08a2a629e18","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":208,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-19T03:26:55.922Z","text":"那是因为原来有群规，我遵守群规","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9d15a949ec1398ac3c31","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q190b2dedb08a2a629e18","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9d15a949ec1398ac3c31","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q3d8d92ee693f528e1184","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":209,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-19T03:27:04.237Z","text":"现在群规去掉了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3d8d92ee693f528e1184","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q24aabc11059e1ff302a6","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":210,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-06-19T03:27:55.078Z","text":"不喜欢哪个人屏蔽就可以了，别一急啥话都乱说","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q24aabc11059e1ff302a6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"qe581cfe41902f2a00373","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":211,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-06-19T03:31:24.556Z","text":"我不觉得，就是感觉你变化太快，感觉换了一个人，我不想把人往坏处想，我在这个群里也天天看各位对案情的分析，至少比其他任何群都有意义，每个人都是独立的，代表自己。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qefdc12f1a2c7ae8798bc","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe581cfe41902f2a00373","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q822b653841e22b286fcb","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":212,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-19T03:32:14.974Z","text":"案情的分析也不都是对的啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe581cfe41902f2a00373","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q822b653841e22b286fcb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe581cfe41902f2a00373","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q889b246de0642f529938","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":213,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-19T03:32:37.210Z","text":"分析案情就有意义吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q889b246de0642f529938","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q947e020a02fb72c87cf0","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":214,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-19T03:32:43.708Z","text":"分析的都是错的，更危险","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q947e020a02fb72c87cf0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"qecad4e03bf0aa9333070","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":215,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-06-19T03:32:49.838Z","text":"你比我还天真。这是世界级的郭案战场，闲人是不会进来的。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe581cfe41902f2a00373","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qecad4e03bf0aa9333070","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe581cfe41902f2a00373","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"qef1e978fe3852cd34ddd","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":216,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-06-19T03:38:38.745Z","text":"我的心情应该比你好，因为你退出群主霸权了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q913b25b65a3189d72c57","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qef1e978fe3852cd34ddd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"qae93abb8ae4aa7d8cf7e","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":217,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-06-19T03:48:14.556Z","text":"分析案情是错的，更危险，所以不让说。这跟为了防止谣言给大众带来伤害，所以要进行言论管控一个路数。都是为了你好，为了大家好，所以不准说话的极权理论。","edited":false,"reply_to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a federal judge postpones a sentencing citing \"complex issues\" but does absolutely nothing for two months, it usually signals an internal institutional standstill, a deep evidentiary gridlock, or a strategic judicial pause.\nIn complex multi-billion-dollar fraud or forfeiture cases, a two-month delay of total silence on the docket is rarely accidental. Here is what is likely happening behind the scenes, followed by the controlling legal precedents.\n1. What is Likely Happening Behind the Scenes?\n* The Court is Starving for a Clean Record:The judge likely realized that entering a final judgment on a fractured, missing, or un-docketed record is an open invitation for the Court of Appeals to instantly vacate and remand the entire case. The judge may be quietly trying to untangle the mess without holding a disastrous public hearing.\n* The Probation Office or Financial Clerks are Overwhelmed: In cases involving thousands of disputed victims or highly commingled asset pools, the court relies on the Probation Department (for the Presentence Investigation Report) and specialized financial masters. A total lack of movement usually means these administrative bodies have hit a brick wall trying to trace the money or verify who the \"actual victims\" are.","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q124df9e70d517ce6f747","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q9e1755109713c977b785","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":222,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-06-19T04:00:58.156Z","text":"* A \"Waiting Game\" for Appellate Guidance: If there is a parallel mandamus petition or emergency stay sitting before the Circuit Court, a District Judge will often intentionally halt all district-level activity. They do nothing because they are waiting to see if the higher court is going to issue a ruling that strips them of jurisdiction or changes the legal landscape.\n2. Controlling Precedents: The Constitutional Limits of Delay\nUnder federal law, a judge cannot delay a sentencing indefinitely. The Supreme Court and the Second Circuit have established clear boundaries regarding what constitutes a prejudicial or unconstitutional sentencing delay.\nThe Constitutional Standard: Betterman v. Montana (2016)\nThe U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Betterman v. Montana, 578 U.S. 437 (2016) that the Sixth Amendment’s Speedy Trial Clause does not apply to post-conviction sentencing delays. Instead, the Court ruled that the Due Process Clause of the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments protects defendants against excessive, unreasonable delays in sentencing. If a delay is found to be reckless, purposeful, or cause severe prejudice to the parties (such as keeping a defendant incarcerated under a cloud of unresolved errors), it violates constitutional Due Process.\nThe Analytical Framework: United States v. Ray (2d Cir. 2009)","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e1755109713c977b785","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q1f0f9b914c8ebcb94333","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":223,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-06-19T04:01:23.199Z","text":"In the Second Circuit, the controlling precedent for analyzing sentencing delays is United States v. Ray, 578 F.3d 184 (2d Cir. 2009). The Second Circuit applies a modified version of the Barker v. Wingo test to determine if a sentencing delay violates Due Process, weighing four factors:\n1. The length of the delay.\n2. The reason for the delay.\n3. The defendant’s assertion of his right to a speedy sentencing.\n4. The prejudice to the defendant or interested parties.\nIn Ray, the Second Circuit explicitly noted that a sentencing delay that serves no legitimate administrative purpose and causes prejudice cannot stand.\nThe Statutory Mandate: Fed. R. Crim. P. 32(b)(1)\nStatutorily, Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 32(b)(1) explicitly commands that \"The court must impose sentence without unnecessary delay.\" While two months of total inaction is generally not long enough by itself to trigger a constitutional Due Process dismissal of the indictment, it is more than enough to establish that the lower court has hit an administrative paralysis.\nWhat is Going to Happen Next?\nWhen a court remains completely paralyzed, the situation generally resolves in one of three ways:\n1. A Sudden, Voluminous Omnibus Order: The judge is using the silence to draft a massive order that will attempt to resolve all pending motions, subpoenas, and docketing deficiencies simultaneously right before forcing the parties to the podium.\n2. A Forced Continuance: If the underlying factual foundation (like the victim framework or the line-item tracing of the res) remains completely un-adjudicated as the date approaches, the court will be forced to issue another written order pushing the date back again, as proceeding would be structural error.","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1f0f9b914c8ebcb94333","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q158872f8bf621d8765a9","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":224,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-06-19T04:01:26.597Z","text":"3. Circuit Court Intervention: If an emergency motion for a stay or a writ of mandamus is properly before the Court of Appeals, the higher court will look at the lower court's two-month period of absolute inaction as prime evidence of administrative failure, making appellate intervention highly justifiable.","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q158872f8bf621d8765a9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"qc98bfaf08dc8e0e2c6c1","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":225,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-06-19T04:01:57.239Z","text":"上面的英文是629案件展望","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc98bfaf08dc8e0e2c6c1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q0b59aefadaf910c4de5d","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":226,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-06-19T04:02:53.311Z","text":"最后的[删节：成员身份] 就是629可能发生的","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0b59aefadaf910c4de5d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q09c26e400bb0db82e07b","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":227,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-19T04:11:27.634Z","text":"其实没有1了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0b59aefadaf910c4de5d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q09c26e400bb0db82e07b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0b59aefadaf910c4de5d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q5bc44e0a820bd9b27984","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":228,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-19T04:11:32.720Z","text":"只有23","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5bc44e0a820bd9b27984","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q359a540d601901744ddc","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":229,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-19T04:16:41.488Z","text":"托雷斯绝不会自己纠正","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q359a540d601901744ddc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q7da3021634546254fad4","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":230,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-06-19T04:27:54.504Z","text":"刚刚有想明白了一个问题， 检方的Ryan 对于我的二巡文件自动回复说他出差了\n\n\n我想他去哪里了呢？ 我猜肯定是去见王艳萍去了！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7da3021634546254fad4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"qac7033515ff3df97453c","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":231,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-19T04:28:17.094Z","text":"出差了？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qac7033515ff3df97453c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q652cc4494d044637578b","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":232,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-19T04:28:25.441Z","text":"我觉得他是不敢面对629 逃走了吧！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q652cc4494d044637578b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q7a5b00955bd612a2bd96","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":233,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-06-19T04:29:55.120Z","text":"现在luc把于建民逼得那么紧，感觉快要出成果了，托雷斯可能还会给它们两个月时间。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7a5b00955bd612a2bd96","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"qde82a693fe79f6ab91f2","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":234,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-06-19T04:31:45.465Z","text":"现在看，如果托雷斯再延期，luc那边的替代自我诉讼是不是跟着延期。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qde82a693fe79f6ab91f2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q3bd35a15374531baf909","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":235,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-19T04:32:24.586Z","text":"是的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qde82a693fe79f6ab91f2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3bd35a15374531baf909","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qde82a693fe79f6ab91f2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"qdc3513d076a6f0d40eca","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":236,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-06-19T04:32:27.107Z","text":"一、当前局面的本质：District Judge 在玩“Waiting Game”\n你说得非常对。\n当二巡手里有平行 mandamus（Tony、Chunk Chyi、Anna、蒋帮芝等）或者紧急 stay 动议时，地区法官（Torres）最常见的策略就是什么都不做。\n原因：\n•  如果她现在强行推进量刑程序，万一二巡后来下令要求她先解决某些程序问题（docket、听证、补记录），她之前的量刑就可能被推翻。\n•  如果她现在什么都不做，把球踢给二巡，等二巡表态后再行动，风险最低。\n•  这就是典型的 “Waiting Game” —— 用时间把压力转嫁给上级法院。\nTony 6月17日那份动议里反复强调的“一个多月没有任何程序动作”，其实就是在精准攻击 Torres 的这个策略。\n二、宪法红线：Betterman v. Montana + United States v. Ray\n虽然 Betterman v. Montana, 578 U.S. 437 (2016) 明确说 Sixth Amendment Speedy Trial Clause 不适用于量刑阶段，但最高法院同时指出：","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9e1755109713c977b785","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdc3513d076a6f0d40eca","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e1755109713c977b785","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q62f692193338a7d1fcf2","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":237,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-06-19T04:32:41.382Z","text":"被告仍然受 Due Process Clause（第五和第十四修正案） 保护，防止过度、不合理、造成严重偏见的量刑拖延。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q62f692193338a7d1fcf2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q9c278aa3d1f06b55dc08","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":238,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-06-19T04:32:55.505Z","text":"第二巡回法院在 United States v. Ray, 578 F.3d 184 (2d Cir. 2009) 里，确立了审理量刑拖延是否违反 Due Process 的分析框架（基本沿用 Barker v. Wingo 的四因素，但针对量刑阶段做了调整）：\nRay 案的核心四因素（2d Cir. 适用）：\n1.  拖延的长度（Length of the delay）\n2.  拖延的原因（Reason for the delay）—— 这是最关键的一点\n3.  被告是否主张了权利（Defendant’s assertion of the right）\n4.  拖延造成的偏见（Prejudice to the defendant）\n把当前郭案套进去分析：","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9c278aa3d1f06b55dc08","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"qd6ad130833c1919ef34b","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":239,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-19T04:33:01.345Z","text":"对的 最终律师必须出来打","edited":false,"reply_to":"q62f692193338a7d1fcf2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd6ad130833c1919ef34b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q62f692193338a7d1fcf2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q1c587db779e9fbe045c2","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":240,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-06-19T04:33:35.087Z","text":"结论： 如果 Torres 继续保持“什么都不做”的状态到6月29日，直接量刑，二巡在审查时，完全可以用 Ray 的框架认定她构成 Due Process 层面的不合理拖延，尤其是在她明知二巡有多个紧急动议在审的情况下还故意按兵不动。\n三、给 Tony（以及其他自诉人）动议的实际帮助\nTony 6月17日那份文件虽然没有直接引用 Betterman 和 Ray，但他的核心论点（“一个多月完全没有程序进展” + “记录严重不完整就量刑违反 Tucker”）其实已经和 Ray 的分析框架高度重合。\n如果把 Ray 明确写进去，可以把论点升级为：","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1c587db779e9fbe045c2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"qa71c7f2e5ac1f04003b4","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":241,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-06-19T04:33:45.811Z","text":"Torres 法官不是在“善意拖延以等待二巡指导”，而是在故意制造程序真空，把本应由她负责解决的争议（损失模型可靠性、受害者框架、跨主权重叠）全部甩给二巡，同时又想在6月29日强行量刑。这已经构成 Ray 案意义上的 不合理且带有偏见 的量刑拖延，违反 Due Process。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa71c7f2e5ac1f04003b4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q0a141ebfb98643e4efdc","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":242,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-06-19T04:34:03.830Z","text":"这比单纯说“记录不完整”要更狠一层次，直接把矛头指向法官本人的程序义务。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0a141ebfb98643e4efdc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q4b3053d46a1143a99ab7","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":243,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-19T04:34:13.567Z","text":"ray是辩护律师应该提的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa71c7f2e5ac1f04003b4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4b3053d46a1143a99ab7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa71c7f2e5ac1f04003b4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"qd7a769b756e6f38d63e0","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":244,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-19T04:34:30.854Z","text":"再延期一次 辩护律师肯定就要出来了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd7a769b756e6f38d63e0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q13504258f732a0e02f70","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":245,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-06-19T04:36:26.721Z","text":"郭不是和律师最近也见面的，难道见面聊油管上的电影吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q13504258f732a0e02f70","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q6d89703f127b695fbf99","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":246,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-06-19T04:38:47.750Z","text":"另外 郭多次提出延期，这不是他的本意， 他是被胁迫的： 知道自己无罪，又没有钱雇佣有效律师， 连案宗都不看， 联盟同谋张永兵又过滤掉有效证人，他是不得已的， 所以 关押3年多， 就是检方等一手造成的， 所以speedy trial 适合他。大家就大胆的写吧！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6d89703f127b695fbf99","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q22b94b725b1e7c10b759","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":247,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-19T04:40:18.098Z","text":"我觉得应该再极限一把 不要写speedy trial","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6d89703f127b695fbf99","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q22b94b725b1e7c10b759","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6d89703f127b695fbf99","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q7c9305cb6aa442718493","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":248,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-19T04:40:33.262Z","text":"我们就不让他量刑 stay","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7c9305cb6aa442718493","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q0c25aacc2ea957aead8b","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":249,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-19T04:40:43.225Z","text":"拖到betterman案例的极限","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0c25aacc2ea957aead8b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q02dce53e5860829083ef","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":250,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-19T04:40:48.678Z","text":"辩护律师会自己跳出来","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q02dce53e5860829083ef","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q38f86b4fcb2e3be3dfa5","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":251,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-19T04:40:57.165Z","text":"这样就把律师逼出来了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q38f86b4fcb2e3be3dfa5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"qc50dbb366a428412935d","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":252,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-06-19T04:41:02.738Z","text":"明天的一个文件可能就会有要求马上让他撤案/回家","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc50dbb366a428412935d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"qb6bd9ae20cb6bb9fe28d","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":253,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-19T04:41:14.552Z","text":"可以","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb6bd9ae20cb6bb9fe28d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q27666cc1059034ca521d","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":254,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-06-19T04:43:16.210Z","text":"实际上3年多的延期就已经犯法了， 对被告造成伤害","edited":false,"reply_to":"q38f86b4fcb2e3be3dfa5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q27666cc1059034ca521d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q38f86b4fcb2e3be3dfa5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q956bcf969d0d1dc44067","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":255,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-19T04:43:24.754Z","text":"对","edited":false,"reply_to":"q27666cc1059034ca521d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q956bcf969d0d1dc44067","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q27666cc1059034ca521d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q807f8b7f5d5efb5d482c","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":256,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-06-19T04:43:53.549Z","text":"思路有了 明天再写","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q807f8b7f5d5efb5d482c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q6bc755db293fb4900e46","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":257,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-06-19T04:53:10.013Z","text":"谁有夏凄东给检方提供 郭身体好的视频 或者什么证据的截图？ 打算再扒一下他的画皮 在二巡文件里。顺便再怼一下检方用hearsay 不够刑法标准的操作","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6bc755db293fb4900e46","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"qa402d2a8e43735d01a12","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":258,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-06-19T04:53:32.876Z","text":"夏为了反对郭保释","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa402d2a8e43735d01a12","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q28a9f9852b36b9ddefd6","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":259,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-06-19T05:03:03.173Z","text":"［用户 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汇款 能力 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TV 从 郭媒体 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那是民事\n韩国案子是GTV投资，总额也算在郭刑事案里\n草根，也是郭案的污点证人之一","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0c1b261bf1e56aa767d7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q69b65de4b0c6256d630e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0c1b261bf1e56aa767d7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"qced4773c421476f96ffe","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":312,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-19T10:37:04.704Z","text":"这操作，和长岛诉Sara 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从没有动过战友一分钱！\n\n那是谁在一直出钱运营的？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6309f5a43646afe395c5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q87cff8deaeb912325cc4","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":315,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-06-19T10:39:51.721Z","text":"先是GPOST,然后GTV现在又是盖特，谁这么钱多烧的天天花","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q87cff8deaeb912325cc4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q426a8979a71feb2797bf","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":316,"speaker":"ken***","date":"2026-06-19T10:40:26.566Z","text":"人家压根就是在阻止战友投资G 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每个农场的事 了如指掌","edited":false,"reply_to":"qced4773c421476f96ffe","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q88e77cd73de0bbca97d9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qced4773c421476f96ffe","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q5acdf967d9fcc25c6b8c","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":321,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-06-19T10:49:21.132Z","text":"我觉得现在已经构成程序问题，被告的被迫延期+法官的延期 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不就是p2p诈骗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q88617401b213cd653353","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q4844721283535e267335","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":326,"speaker":"get***","date":"2026-06-19T11:02:02.138Z","text":"签了合同的，说明什么？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe6aedc360d365041d975","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4844721283535e267335","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe6aedc360d365041d975","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"qa8b4b7d9040c9ea83483","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":327,"speaker":"get***","date":"2026-06-19T11:02:21.536Z","text":"一纸作废文件罢了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa8b4b7d9040c9ea83483","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q11befd8334c1225da744","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":328,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-19T11:05:01.489Z","text":"签了合同，就是投资G系列的凭证","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4844721283535e267335","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q11befd8334c1225da744","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4844721283535e267335","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q87ec51e9f3d3bea6ad30","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":329,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-19T11:05:38.457Z","text":"投资人就可以拉收款人，农场主，进到这个刑事案，目前是整个G系列都算诈骗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q87ec51e9f3d3bea6ad30","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"qbca2da22a7f3c2f59f49","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":330,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-19T11:18:20.264Z","text":"388检方也只是提到“部分农场主”，是共谋，因为有人诉讼他们，不代表其他农场主，就是清白\n周乐诉 戴\nGTV投资者 诉Sara Wei\n长岛 张永兵上榜，是要作证郭指挥农场","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbca2da22a7f3c2f59f49","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q265b52376e7513aa0c28","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":331,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-19T11:22:47.477Z","text":"其他农场主，只要有投资者，有合同证据，都可以把他们拉进来这个案子里\n投资G系列，有损失，就是诈骗受害者(连李娅，法官也算她是受害者)，找签合同的人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q265b52376e7513aa0c28","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q6e2b09ec36ddcc727df3","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":332,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-19T11:25:15.286Z","text":"农场主不服，自己来庭上说","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6e2b09ec36ddcc727df3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q74227e04abf066226c7e","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":333,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-19T11:26:24.312Z","text":"哈恩那种，就是纯粹演戏，维稳韩国的韭菜\n她一直说的是，不是郭的受害者，也就是要堵死韭菜用CVRA，上美国法庭参与案子\n不然，韩国汇款被截留的事儿，是可以反驳郭指挥农场主的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q74227e04abf066226c7e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"qa52e930b3cebab91504f","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":334,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-06-19T11:28:58.772Z","text":"联邦刑诉 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Montana 说，Speedy Trial Clause 到 conviction 为止；量刑迟延可能走 due process，但不是 speedy trial 自动规则。来源：\nhttps://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/578/14-1457/\n\n更老的 Pollard v. 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论点会明显增强。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q92f44dba50c6bf990989","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"qb4cf039938b5fa8ecd41","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":336,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-06-19T11:44:22.856Z","text":"只要是碰過錢的農場主、負責人都應該被拉進案子里來，投資者的錢去哪兒了？讓他們上庭說清楚！","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6e2b09ec36ddcc727df3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb4cf039938b5fa8ecd41","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6e2b09ec36ddcc727df3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q993adfd4712c09cd2299","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":337,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-06-19T11:46:06.740Z","text":"各農場的所有投資者都出來自訴，不要讓任何人代表你！\n特別是不要讓聯盟代表你！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q993adfd4712c09cd2299","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"qc2614d9fbf87c0fbfdce","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":338,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-06-19T11:46:42.365Z","text":"他們手上都有帳本！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc2614d9fbf87c0fbfdce","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q1e83d53a2d7a86f00bcf","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":339,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-06-19T11:47:51.378Z","text":"順著錢走就對了！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1e83d53a2d7a86f00bcf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"qb6a7355594ad558e6e4b","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":340,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-06-19T11:47:55.348Z","text":"概率低的骚操作，判三年，刑期抵消，当场刑事释放，转交ICE遣返流程。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb6a7355594ad558e6e4b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q75ba2fbfa021e37a2553","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":341,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-19T11:49:27.858Z","text":"遣返阿布扎比？🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb6a7355594ad558e6e4b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q75ba2fbfa021e37a2553","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb6a7355594ad558e6e4b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q80532cb279f0e492b8a6","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":342,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-06-19T11:49:43.449Z","text":"無罪釋放！必須的！\n老郭最大的罪就是用人不當，讓所有真心支持他的人受到了很大的傷害！","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb6a7355594ad558e6e4b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q80532cb279f0e492b8a6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb6a7355594ad558e6e4b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q6a38d2146d16c02fd36d","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":343,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-06-19T11:51:03.426Z","text":"如果再延期可唔可以申請保釋？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q75ba2fbfa021e37a2553","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6a38d2146d16c02fd36d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q75ba2fbfa021e37a2553","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"qcadc69cf5fd8101a6687","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":344,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-06-19T11:53:35.165Z","text":"案卷里有一条是 Doc 148-1：Trustee 说 FBI 在 Mahwah Mansion 找到 “a copy of the Debtor’s expired United Arab Emirates passport”，也就是郭的过期 UAE 护照复印件。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q75ba2fbfa021e37a2553","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcadc69cf5fd8101a6687","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q75ba2fbfa021e37a2553","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q292ad6d02fa937a0787c","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":345,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-06-19T11:55:00.219Z","text":"郭申請了政庇，所以主動放棄UAE的護照。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcadc69cf5fd8101a6687","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q292ad6d02fa937a0787c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcadc69cf5fd8101a6687","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q26b096d136480a12b1af","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":346,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-06-19T11:55:57.544Z","text":"USE的護照含金量超高，我好想有一本🤭","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q26b096d136480a12b1af","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q703c971b3aabc04606d4","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":347,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-06-19T11:57:33.995Z","text":"😁 ai推演此种结局发生的概率不超过5% ，除非政治勾兑大力出奇迹","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q703c971b3aabc04606d4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q06cd98119560450a6a84","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":348,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-06-19T11:57:53.860Z","text":"遣返第一顺位：中国","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q06cd98119560450a6a84","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"qb452d98f7f53b6142a3c","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":349,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-06-19T12:01:32.735Z","text":"法律默认风险是“递解中国”；郭方核心抗辩也会围绕“不能送中国，会被政治迫害/酷刑”。\n阿布扎比只是一种第三国可能性，不是自动目的地，概率取决于 UAE 是否接收、他是否有合法身份/通行文件、以及 DHS 是否选择这条路。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb452d98f7f53b6142a3c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"qb8056d4494428b639a7e","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":350,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-19T12:05:19.663Z","text":"［用户 kir***］ ［用户 reb***］ \n[删节：成员身份]去处理韩国的事\n感觉有深意啊\n韩国的事 捅到刑事案 不就是 郭没法控制农场主？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb8056d4494428b639a7e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"qc90471d8c8d97aaf4b0f","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":351,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-06-19T12:07:00.674Z","text":"Torres 过去风格偏谨慎，不是硬推型。4月27日也是临近才延期，所以不能排除最后几天再出 order。\n\n人话就是这人性格优柔寡断","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc90471d8c8d97aaf4b0f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"qe4b0ddf5c0b5992151a4","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":352,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-06-19T12:07:07.149Z","text":"黃河邊幾年前也去過韓國，還跟那個在和老郭直播中睡覺的人見面，","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe4b0ddf5c0b5992151a4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q86e56100635549cfbd4a","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":353,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-06-19T12:07:19.365Z","text":"韩国的司法证据能够证明他们的资金截流自己花了？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q86e56100635549cfbd4a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q696cf4fc59f3e15b6a82","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":354,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-06-19T12:07:53.447Z","text":"这种性格是好事啊 大概率再次延期","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q696cf4fc59f3e15b6a82","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q28df1cec1b4e2d3b93cf","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":355,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-06-19T12:08:07.506Z","text":"那个是几年前的事了，但对应农场的人去说也会有分量。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb8056d4494428b639a7e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q28df1cec1b4e2d3b93cf","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb8056d4494428b639a7e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q699767d58d0ee0f8ac04","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":356,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-06-19T12:09:36.478Z","text":"压力很大 她做不了决定","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q699767d58d0ee0f8ac04","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q97e7a0e613fcca248052","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":357,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-06-19T12:11:44.716Z","text":"估計幾天後托雷斯法官會以身體健康問題，把這個雷不托了，給下一個來托雷🤭🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q97e7a0e613fcca248052","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q9cb3e3821c65621ee916","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":358,"speaker":".an***","date":"2026-06-19T12:14:34.838Z","text":"然后草根[删节：成员身份]，王雪冰打掩护，联盟不再提草根，韩国战友的账，草根自己农场的账成为糊涂账，然后又说老郭操控一切，欲加之罪何患无词。","edited":true,"reply_to":"q8f096e6152ad678e1805","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9cb3e3821c65621ee916","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8f096e6152ad678e1805","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"qf6c3bce97f980960058f","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":359,"speaker":"xxx***","date":"2026-06-19T12:21:50.166Z","text":"青藤诈骗，不也是推给郭。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf6c3bce97f980960058f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q95d36da22db71ed1b8c3","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":360,"speaker":"xxx***","date":"2026-06-19T12:23:21.706Z","text":"从长岛到青藤干的每一件坏事，推给郭不让郭出来。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q95d36da22db71ed1b8c3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"qdc6efd44e42f988228a4","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":361,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-06-19T12:35:18.586Z","text":"到联盟也不算，辩方律师804说了，魏戴周凯尔巴斯等人的1亿都要减去","edited":false,"reply_to":"q77d80ab76197d47d8bb7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdc6efd44e42f988228a4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q77d80ab76197d47d8bb7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"qd5e0f107f43d55546f0a","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":362,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-06-19T12:38:20.072Z","text":"我有韩国的汇款","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa6c73922410b76ef96d9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd5e0f107f43d55546f0a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa6c73922410b76ef96d9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q65c8e1d980ecc15ef76c","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":363,"speaker":"ken***","date":"2026-06-19T12:46:38.311Z","text":"我只有韩国那么一点点汇款","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd5e0f107f43d55546f0a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q65c8e1d980ecc15ef76c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd5e0f107f43d55546f0a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q9448864c60716903f115","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":364,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-06-19T12:51:49.088Z","text":"當時是哪一個檢查官發起的所謂詐騙案立案？現在還在南區負責老郭的案子嗎？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9448864c60716903f115","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"qdf1a8089e97680e9fd26","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":365,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-06-19T12:56:44.291Z","text":"分水嶺就是＂王英雄＂認罪","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdf1a8089e97680e9fd26","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"qb3e659ad7fdd13b4ab0f","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":366,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-06-19T13:08:17.915Z","text":"综合分析Torres 经手历史案件，Torres 不是怕上诉，而是典型的“防上诉型法官”。她会尽量把程序走满、理由写足、record 做厚，避免二巡抓程序漏洞。\n她这种风格通常会表现为：\n1: 不急着出 order\n2: 把事实和法律问题拆开\n3: 不轻易接受双方“私下和解式”的 shortcut\n4: 历史order 写得比较保守","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb3e659ad7fdd13b4ab0f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q81a783e9b5cfd8ffc280","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":367,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-06-19T13:08:40.446Z","text":"各位确实攻击到要害了！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q81a783e9b5cfd8ffc280","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q85b89d68c176227632cc","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":368,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-06-19T13:10:19.319Z","text":"比如她经手的最出名的案件：    Ripple 案，她不是简单说 XRP 是不是证券，而是拆成机构销售、程序化销售、其他分发。这样即使上诉，也不是一个点全盘翻车。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q85b89d68c176227632cc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"qebb16c43cf6742fdb509","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":369,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-19T13:12:45.832Z","text":"绞盘式的judge","edited":false,"reply_to":"q85b89d68c176227632cc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qebb16c43cf6742fdb509","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q85b89d68c176227632cc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q1994eeac858714b9b6c6","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":370,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-06-19T13:18:57.891Z","text":"Torres 的模式不是“胆小”，而是“程序洁癖”。她在选举案里按禁令四要件写，在 stop-and-frisk 后续里严格卡介入资格，在 Rio Tinto 和 CDOR 这类金融案里逐项拆 claim、卡 pleading 和时效，在疫情投票案里控制救济范围。\n这就是典型的“防上诉型”：不是不敢判，而是不喜欢给二巡留下现成抓手。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1994eeac858714b9b6c6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"qcc618443ef4e51e979ef","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":371,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-06-19T13:23:36.200Z","text":"各位确实攻击到要害了， 什么意思？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q85b89d68c176227632cc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcc618443ef4e51e979ef","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q85b89d68c176227632cc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q84f37535313cccbb2122","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":372,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-06-19T13:25:20.104Z","text":"如果 6月29日前没有一个明显的“清场 order”，把关键 pending issues 全部处理掉，那继续延期概率很大，约60%概率。\n如果她在量刑前几天密集出 order，把 Rule 33、律师、没收、受害人陈述、第三方 filings 都处理干净，那她就可能按期量刑，而且会重判。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q84f37535313cccbb2122","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q77832047684d24f53f4d","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":373,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-06-19T13:26:35.467Z","text":"一点点汇款 也有法律身份，用这个来质问、传唤相关人，主体就是你们收的钱 钱在哪里，不在郭那里，检方要调查，检方抓错人了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q65c8e1d980ecc15ef76c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q77832047684d24f53f4d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q65c8e1d980ecc15ef76c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q2f4f1bff2019e146b6f7","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":374,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-19T13:28:49.204Z","text":"她没那个胆","edited":false,"reply_to":"q84f37535313cccbb2122","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2f4f1bff2019e146b6f7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q84f37535313cccbb2122","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q58542da4f3e71eb15633","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":375,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-19T13:29:53.426Z","text":"难道不怕螺丝哥，继续二巡要求换掉她？🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q58542da4f3e71eb15633","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q1887fa06145ee5096d1e","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":376,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-06-19T13:30:13.671Z","text":"一个星期的时间，她会处理 第三方无辜的钱的归属 国内投资跨国属性 司法欺诈 犯法没收 农场借款去向 程序违规 ？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q84f37535313cccbb2122","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1887fa06145ee5096d1e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q84f37535313cccbb2122","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"qced2345e212077d383b7","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":377,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-06-19T13:31:46.176Z","text":"历史案件行为模式分析 现在还没动静 大概率延期了 除非下周一开始 她密集order ，那就很严重了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qced2345e212077d383b7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"qc54ce4009127241830aa","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":378,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-06-19T13:32:23.567Z","text":"越安静 越利好","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc54ce4009127241830aa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q5af959d1e6897229cbb1","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":379,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-06-19T13:38:54.887Z","text":"就像我给南区发的关于农场借款的motion， 我知道南区不会入卷， 在二巡保留了记录。\n\nmotion的意义在于给Torres 压力 让她看到这些她可能不知道的东西\n\n所以正在做自诉的人，不用小看自己的行动，您的每个证据 真相， 都将会成为一股力量 汇成巨流，摧毁检方的谎言 还郭的清白","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5af959d1e6897229cbb1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q0f9e7a4f5c7fed788f1f","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":380,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-06-19T13:39:36.876Z","text":"上次我二月份发南区，他也是自动回复出差了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7da3021634546254fad4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0f9e7a4f5c7fed788f1f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7da3021634546254fad4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q770beb4a449c1f090310","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":381,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-06-19T13:39:51.256Z","text":"您提供的每一个证据， 都会给Torres 量刑造成难度","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q770beb4a449c1f090310","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"qd3de59c5807dc0c7f8cf","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":382,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-06-19T13:40:42.664Z","text":"我前几次发没出差","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0f9e7a4f5c7fed788f1f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd3de59c5807dc0c7f8cf","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0f9e7a4f5c7fed788f1f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"qc388d8764c56b656cb7a","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":383,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-06-19T13:41:39.254Z","text":"4、5月都有发","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc388d8764c56b656cb7a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q10c63ca207d86713e891","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":384,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-06-19T13:53:44.638Z","text":"你咋这么会看面相呢？我当时认为所有露脸直播的人都是好人，直到他们自己露出破绽、自暴。\n最近的 [删节：成员身份] 也让我大跌眼镜，真没想到此群的二任群主居然是一个渣男。\n不过现在已经见怪不怪了。","edited":true,"reply_to":"qa7cc37f324a1f62d9eec","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q10c63ca207d86713e891","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa7cc37f324a1f62d9eec","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q00507db2867a84b28f05","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":385,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-06-19T13:56:02.781Z","text":"[删节：成员身份]昨天自暴说他不怎么看大家写的自诉。郭案讨论群的群主居然不看自诉者写的法庭文件！","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q00507db2867a84b28f05","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q174959396bcab5e58eb0","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":386,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-19T13:56:34.045Z","text":"感觉2月份前的账号，是男的\n换号以后，似乎是女的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q10c63ca207d86713e891","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q174959396bcab5e58eb0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q10c63ca207d86713e891","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q1722c4de195f4c341368","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":387,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-06-19T13:58:46.774Z","text":"这个有可能。特务们的账号都是受组织控制的，可以从它们几年前开的帐号交给一个新手上岗。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q174959396bcab5e58eb0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1722c4de195f4c341368","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q174959396bcab5e58eb0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"qd3ed3fd3fbe7d9fb87c3","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":388,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-06-19T14:02:23.867Z","text":"他还有一个[删节：成员身份] 的账号，以后前我总是往好处想他，从没想过他这是Ava经常换名字的一种操作","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd3ed3fd3fbe7d9fb87c3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"qf48b203bf46bb0a84320","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":389,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-19T14:04:01.947Z","text":"根本不可能处理干净","edited":false,"reply_to":"q84f37535313cccbb2122","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf48b203bf46bb0a84320","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q84f37535313cccbb2122","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"qdb2f4c2cbd1ede3edc13","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":390,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-19T14:04:13.830Z","text":"司法欺诈有两个","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdb2f4c2cbd1ede3edc13","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q01e93778c5424db3c6d0","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":391,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-19T14:04:30.566Z","text":"一个瑞恩733 一个tony716-4","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q01e93778c5424db3c6d0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"qbc8c65cf369a5e970568","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":392,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-19T14:05:09.924Z","text":"到联盟的不算那损失还剩几块钱啊？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdc6efd44e42f988228a4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbc8c65cf369a5e970568","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdc6efd44e42f988228a4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q82a3d19cd490eba9797e","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":393,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-19T14:05:24.291Z","text":"郭自己又没账号","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q82a3d19cd490eba9797e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q81585ec2f3cad5a29123","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":394,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-06-19T14:07:27.392Z","text":"你看辩方的804，没收13亿，要减14亿多，损失为负😂","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbc8c65cf369a5e970568","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q81585ec2f3cad5a29123","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbc8c65cf369a5e970568","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q24904c5449b9a2d2d002","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":395,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-19T14:08:31.445Z","text":"所以我们现在的打法刚好补上","edited":false,"reply_to":"q81585ec2f3cad5a29123","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q24904c5449b9a2d2d002","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q81585ec2f3cad5a29123","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q6bdf7ce7c267afc406e3","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":396,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-06-19T14:09:16.847Z","text":"我跟喜韩签了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe6aedc360d365041d975","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6bdf7ce7c267afc406e3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe6aedc360d365041d975","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"q01a278208a30412881dc","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":397,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-06-19T14:09:48.995Z","text":"辩方说声称不是受害者的都要减掉","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q01a278208a30412881dc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"qa9644a356c6097902700","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":398,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-19T14:09:57.856Z","text":"tony认为 损失可以算 但检方现在计算方法完全错误 这里面有多少钱是主权法律冲突 好好算算 联盟账本这里面损失一块钱对应好几个人分 很多人被抓了个球的 要好好算算","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa9644a356c6097902700","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"qac068a84016debf8bfc1","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":399,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-19T14:10:20.416Z","text":"全部都好好算算 算到天荒地老😂","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qac068a84016debf8bfc1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"},{"id":"qc3d9e41f437f5b231c87","batch_id":"batch-000122","seq":400,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-19T14:10:43.620Z","text":"辩方这个说法就很脑残了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q01a278208a30412881dc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc3d9e41f437f5b231c87","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q01a278208a30412881dc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000122"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000121","next_batch_id":"batch-000123"}