{"id":"batch-000126","number":126,"revision":2,"date_start":"2026-06-25T22:23:46.477Z","date_end":"2026-06-27T18:56:10.761Z","total_messages":1000,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 126 (Jun 25, 2026 – Jun 27, 2026), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Batch 126 (Jun 25–27, 2026, 1,000 messages) centered on whether sentencing should wait for Second Circuit action. Participants disputed emergency stays, the June 29, 2026 timeline, and whether to push a stay first or respond after judgment. They also argued about 853(n), 854/855 handling, panel makeup, docketing/service, and whether the order is limited to forfeiture or broader relief. Source reliability was contested across AI, livestreams, and court records. Community statements, not court findings. Community statements, not court findings.","guide_en":[{"title":"Timing dispute over when the Second Circuit should step in: Friday, weekend, Monday, and the post-629 window","description":"Participants argued that timing was decisive, with debate over waiting for the Second Circuit, a narrow Monday window, and whether to avoid action before sentencing. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q64c30f8d02410a973b90","q70ff48bebc46dc6a55a6","q70eeed1b4a3fad3a2b54"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q64c30f8d02410a973b90","summary_en":"One participant said the group was waiting for the Second Circuit to act next. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q70ff48bebc46dc6a55a6","summary_en":"One participant said Monday seemed to leave only two hours of time. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q70eeed1b4a3fad3a2b54","summary_en":"One participant argued that sentencing should be avoided before it occurs. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Stay-first versus direct sentencing paths: whether to seek an administrative stay before appeal","description":"Participants disputed whether the priority should be an emergency stay motion before sentencing or proceeding first with sentencing and then contesting outcomes through appeal strategy. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q10e919ba83059486e0b2","qd2d6b807a60025244ed6","q523650c29aca1e5069cb"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q10e919ba83059486e0b2","summary_en":"One participant said an emergency order had been drafted and could be mailed by the next morning. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qd2d6b807a60025244ed6","summary_en":"One participant contended that if sentencing proceeded on June 29, 2026 despite pending signals and motions, the defense would move immediately for an emergency appellate stay. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q523650c29aca1e5069cb","summary_en":"One participant asked whether to press for Second Circuit intervention now or wait for that intervention first. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Judge-seat and panel rule disagreements: tandem orders, three groups, and scope of panel authority","description":"Participants argued they had conflicting views on judge-seat structure, including whether tandem orders were handled by a fixed trio and how three groups of judges were composed. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qe84ddc2292a9fada4f61","q726e1c69afbe15364d78","q3c5b97f259448f6d4c9a"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qe84ddc2292a9fada4f61","summary_en":"One participant claimed earlier tandem orders were handled by three judges and renewal was processed by the same panel. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q726e1c69afbe15364d78","summary_en":"One participant asserted there were three groups of Second Circuit judges. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q3c5b97f259448f6d4c9a","summary_en":"One participant affirmed the prior panel-structure point. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Procedural integrity focus: hearing, docket, service, and filing transparency","description":"Participants contested whether the procedural record was complete, arguing that 853 hearing-related papers were not timely docketed and questioning filing currency and service method. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q996d5610b703186a3662","q28903dd39dcc361becea","q1c147074affd77e0d827"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q996d5610b703186a3662","summary_en":"One participant claimed months passed without any 853 materials being docketed and no 853 hearing filing sent to the Second Circuit. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q28903dd39dcc361becea","summary_en":"One participant disputed timing by asking whether a submission had only just been filed. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q1c147074affd77e0d827","summary_en":"One participant questioned whether paper submission was still being required. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"854/855 filing identity dispute: substantive evidence or duplicate unclear documents","description":"Participants argued about what 854 and 855 represented, including whether those documents were identifiable and what legal weight they carried. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qc25a1527b3ba2a2d288e","qf72020c62072fbc52841","q0a2742b32ad393cf64cd"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qc25a1527b3ba2a2d288e","summary_en":"One participant asked whether 854 had even been reviewed. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf72020c62072fbc52841","summary_en":"Another participant asked what document 854 actually was. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q0a2742b32ad393cf64cd","summary_en":"One participant asked who the filing referenced, saying they recognized only the person, not a number. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"853(n) property disputes and loss figures: third-party qualification and amount consistency","description":"Participants contested the 853(n) damage basis by disputing who counts as a victim, how losses are measured, and whether any request for money automatically becomes loss. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qf512f8638c80d310e030","q46f4ecbe3a47125292eb","q65346c52fa1b1193d608"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qf512f8638c80d310e030","summary_en":"One participant argued sentencing needed a fixed baseline, including confirmed amount and victim count, instead of proceeding without those foundations. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q46f4ecbe3a47125292eb","summary_en":"One participant disputed whether all investors are victims, describing a split framing where the government treats some as victims or conspirators and the court as treating others like ordinary creditors. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q65346c52fa1b1193d608","summary_en":"One participant argued that whenever court-directed money is sought, that is treated as a loss. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Second Circuit order scope dispute: forfeiture-only relief or broader intervention","description":"Participants disputed the reach of the Second Circuit order, with some framing it as forfeiture-focused while others argued that wider objections should be formally raised. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qba348846ef2fa82d59ba","qb66b3e2cfca925c93d39","q98847be9e74cdbf360d5"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qba348846ef2fa82d59ba","summary_en":"One participant said the Second Circuit order was about forfeiture issues and that applications might continue if sentencing happened before final judgment. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qb66b3e2cfca925c93d39","summary_en":"One participant argued the panel had rejected one sentence in five emergency orders and urged checking that language. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q98847be9e74cdbf360d5","summary_en":"One participant contended that anyone disagreeing with a forfeiture-only characterization should tell the Second Circuit. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Evidence and publicity strategy: court materials plus reposted links and signatures","description":"Participants advocated parallel strategies that combine filing-based monitoring with coordinated amplification through reposting and joint forwarding. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q2cad40b945a8b0793696","q7ff14308367ea913103c"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q2cad40b945a8b0793696","summary_en":"One participant said the group was broadly aligned on the approach. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q7ff14308367ea913103c","summary_en":"One participant urged key accounts to repost and asked others to join in forwarding links collectively. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Political and motive narratives intertwined: judicial structure, DOJ, and deep-cause speculation","description":"Participants argued over whether the case discussion should focus on procedural points or on politicized narratives around DOJ and judicial motives, while others pointed to the third-party hearing opportunity as a limiting factor. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qd89697b93d58ab177bb0","q740c1d34c41ca48dc7c1"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qd89697b93d58ab177bb0","summary_en":"One participant referenced the defense side in the dispute. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q740c1d34c41ca48dc7c1","summary_en":"Another participant argued that despite perceived abnormalities, the court still gave third parties a chance to speak. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Information reliability debate: AI judgement, livestream claims, and courtlistener evidence","description":"Participants disputed which sources should drive conclusions, with arguments for AI-assisted parsing competing against document-based scrutiny and reliance on livestream details. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qb7014815cdf5bae855e1","qc1090b568e853ab374f3","qbcd278b672fd32fe6863"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qb7014815cdf5bae855e1","summary_en":"One participant challenged trust in AI-based conclusions. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qc1090b568e853ab374f3","summary_en":"One participant urged using a familiar AI partner to expand and refine interpretation. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qbcd278b672fd32fe6863","summary_en":"One participant argued that understanding details still requires filings and that livestream evidence can be more useful than court papers in practice. Community statements, not court findings."}]}],"summary":"讨论的核心是二巡是否会介入、以及介入后是否及时制止南区继续量刑。多数发言围绕时间博弈展开：周末有无动态、周一是否硬判、先不动还是先发文书，形成“先stay后上诉”与“先量刑后应对”两种路径拉扯。围绕法官席位结构、三组法官、panel人数及程序规则，大家并未形成一致理解，讨论还集中在853(n)、听证和文书送达是否合规。854/855等文书及新旧命令身份也反复出现歧义，导致对财产冻结、第三方主张和金额口径的判断持续摇摆。社群策略层面出现了传播加压、转发证据链接和联署投诉并行，但信息来源被反复质疑，X、直播、AI扩写与原始庭审材料之间的可靠性对比成为分歧源。部分观点强调权力结构或动机化叙事，另一些人要求严格核验材料后再下结论，整体没有稳定共识。","guide":[{"title":"二巡时点与开工节奏之争：周五、周末、周一与629后的窗口","message_ids":["q64c30f8d02410a973b90","q70ff48bebc46dc6a55a6","q70eeed1b4a3fad3a2b54"]},{"title":"stay与直接量刑路径对立：是否先提行政stay再谈上诉","message_ids":["q10e919ba83059486e0b2","qd2d6b807a60025244ed6","q523650c29aca1e5069cb"]},{"title":"法官席位与panel规则分歧：tandem、三组法官与裁定范围","message_ids":["qe84ddc2292a9fada4f61","q726e1c69afbe15364d78","q3c5b97f259448f6d4c9a"]},{"title":"程序完整性焦点：听证、docket、送达与材料公开性","message_ids":["q996d5610b703186a3662","q28903dd39dcc361becea","q1c147074affd77e0d827"]},{"title":"854/855及相关文书身份争议：关键证据还是重复上传","message_ids":["qc25a1527b3ba2a2d288e","qf72020c62072fbc52841","q0a2742b32ad393cf64cd"]},{"title":"853(n)财产争议与损失口径：第三方资格和金额是否一致","message_ids":["qf512f8638c80d310e030","q46f4ecbe3a47125292eb","q65346c52fa1b1193d608"]},{"title":"二巡命令范围解读分歧：仅财产救济还是更广干预","message_ids":["qba348846ef2fa82d59ba","qb66b3e2cfca925c93d39","q98847be9e74cdbf360d5"]},{"title":"证据与传播策略结合：法院材料导向与联署、推文转发","message_ids":["q2cad40b945a8b0793696","q7ff14308367ea913103c"]},{"title":"政治化与阴谋叙事交织：司法结构、DOJ与深层动机猜测","message_ids":["qd89697b93d58ab177bb0","q740c1d34c41ca48dc7c1"]},{"title":"信息可信度争议：AI判断、直播口径与courtlistener证据","message_ids":["qb7014815cdf5bae855e1","qc1090b568e853ab374f3","qbcd278b672fd32fe6863"]}],"closed":true,"is_finalized":true,"updated_at":"2026-09-06T18:35:33.498Z","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_batch","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126/pages/2","base_batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-batches/batch-000126?page=2","page":2,"page_size":200,"total_pages":5,"has_more":true,"next_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-batches/batch-000126?page=3","prev_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-batches/batch-000126","messages":[{"id":"q515ca57f68e9ebffeecb","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":201,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-06-26T02:45:11.489Z","text":"策略四：死磕 § 853(n) 资产申诉，把“两级合谋”变成“二巡的债务危机”\n法官在 855 号命令里把第三方投资人的 853(n) 资产申诉一脚踢开，说是“量刑前不需要解决”。第三方要让二巡明白，法官拍屁股退休走了，留下的无尽跨国大官司和宪法侵权诉讼，全部都要由二巡来背锅。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q515ca57f68e9ebffeecb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"qfef46abb484725a05136","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":202,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-06-26T02:45:30.840Z","text":"“原审法院宣称数百名独立第三方利害关系人的 § 853(n) 财产权在量刑前‘不需要解决’，这是对联邦法律的根本性误读。原审法院妄图‘先斩后奏’，强行剥离并剥夺第三方的海外合法资产。\n此举将直接引爆系统性的宪法海啸，导致无数第三方在上诉法院（二巡）发起无休止的、针对原审程序严重违规的诉讼。原审法院为了在 6.29 顺利交差，正在将一场巨大的司法和程序债务，恶意转嫁给第二巡回上诉法院。”","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfef46abb484725a05136","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q522e07c1f175a46c1ad3","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":203,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-06-26T02:45:42.218Z","text":"心理刺激： 官僚最怕麻烦。二巡的大法官一看：好你个 Analisa Torres，你拿了退休协议准备拍屁股走人，把第三方几百个人的资产雷区直接留给我们上诉法院来排？为了不替基层法官背这个巨大的黑锅，二巡也会选择在 6.29 之前叫停程序，命令基层：“你把账对清楚了再报上来，别想把烂摊子甩给上诉法院！”","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q522e07c1f175a46c1ad3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q71ca97cfeae73b1222d1","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":204,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-06-26T02:45:56.701Z","text":"最终执行方案\n在这 72 小时内，第三方的律师团队千万不要去二巡“哭诉被告有多冤枉”，那是没用的。要把所有递交的 ECF 紧急紧急动议的笔锋，全部化作一柄柄直插二巡大法官“权力傲慢”的利刃：\n1. 文书标题直接拉满： 《基于原审法院第 855 号命令公然剥夺上级法院管辖权及正当程序之紧急限制量刑与撤销管辖权动议》。\n2. 双线施压： 律师在二巡法庭上用上述话术挑起“权力内战”；舆论在推特和媒体上疯狂转发 855 号命令的截图，定调为“基层法院为了赶政治任务强行架空高级法院”。\n只要二巡内部那几个自命不凡的大法官被激怒，觉得自己的管辖领地被基层小法官用一纸 855 号命令给侵犯了，这场由于“带任务量刑”引发的水下利益同盟，就会瞬间在高级法院的“管辖权大炮”轰击下，被炸得支离破碎！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q71ca97cfeae73b1222d1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"qdb0c63e0566be1aa4709","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":205,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-26T02:55:23.499Z","text":"现在要关注的两件事：1. 二巡会不会暂停量刑 2.南区判多少年","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb74db60c1921a720ea28","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdb0c63e0566be1aa4709","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb74db60c1921a720ea28","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q4f96a85cbf50c25f7fbd","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":206,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-26T02:56:16.044Z","text":"现在说这话，还为时过早","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4a6b0308179fe85d7433","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f96a85cbf50c25f7fbd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4a6b0308179fe85d7433","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"qcc136d20b1d2d9194e55","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":207,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-26T02:56:51.089Z","text":"二巡说不定会有作为，就算二巡没作为，南区也许会轻判","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcc136d20b1d2d9194e55","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q18eb635956afc5533a46","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":208,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-26T02:57:22.129Z","text":"再说不定，最后一刻，突然有重大证据出现","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q18eb635956afc5533a46","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"qa12c466bb5289a7a3157","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":209,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-06-26T03:04:50.966Z","text":"把明天要寄用的东西都准备好，","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa12c466bb5289a7a3157","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q23d8b88665b5ad098548","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":210,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-06-26T03:06:43.178Z","text":"个人预测：二巡不会干预。量刑按照G enterprise 里ACA Capital, gclub和喜交易所的钱由郭，于，王共同承担责任来量刑。应该是25年。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdb0c63e0566be1aa4709","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q23d8b88665b5ad098548","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdb0c63e0566be1aa4709","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q6f53d5b951b67b4c215e","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":211,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-06-26T03:07:29.610Z","text":"然后金钱判决会暂缓执行。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q23d8b88665b5ad098548","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6f53d5b951b67b4c215e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q23d8b88665b5ad098548","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"qaf6bf4e5fd8eddae1b00","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":212,"speaker":"nev***","date":"2026-06-26T03:09:50.126Z","text":"那个布兰登面相不像是太好，感觉很可能是给左派deep state服务的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qba450cf6830fef97d455","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaf6bf4e5fd8eddae1b00","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qba450cf6830fef97d455","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"qb9e60b44daab3663e4df","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":213,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-06-26T03:13:10.790Z","text":"我总感觉托雷斯是出来顶雷的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q23d8b88665b5ad098548","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb9e60b44daab3663e4df","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q23d8b88665b5ad098548","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q75eeda2a7ed849650759","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":214,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-06-26T03:16:23.511Z","text":"托雷斯是第三条法官，地位还不如破产法官曼宁，曼宁这种法官仅仅是由二巡全体法官投票确定。曼宁在破产法院虽然也没干好事，但没有扛什么大雷，luc一直在主张的债务人破坏破产程序的完整性，曼宁就是没有批准。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb9e60b44daab3663e4df","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q75eeda2a7ed849650759","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb9e60b44daab3663e4df","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"qa36c44aa7e8de44e994b","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":215,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-06-26T03:22:50.424Z","text":"正是因为托雷斯拥有总统提名，终身制大法官，所以极大概率私底下已经签好了‘强行宣判后直接安全退休’的落地软着陆协议","edited":false,"reply_to":"q75eeda2a7ed849650759","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa36c44aa7e8de44e994b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q75eeda2a7ed849650759","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"qd1c56bcbd08e66485054","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":216,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-26T03:23:06.255Z","text":"是的 被几方架在火上烤","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb9e60b44daab3663e4df","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd1c56bcbd08e66485054","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb9e60b44daab3663e4df","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q38e7fa0c71a114034937","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":217,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-26T03:27:24.987Z","text":"我也觉得，二巡干预的概率不大，但是，南区记录不完整，程序不正义，估计最后这个案子还是会被推翻。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q23d8b88665b5ad098548","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q38e7fa0c71a114034937","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q23d8b88665b5ad098548","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q5e9543fc53ab398f69e5","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":218,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-26T03:27:45.956Z","text":"二巡干预的几率已经上升到50%","edited":false,"reply_to":"q38e7fa0c71a114034937","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5e9543fc53ab398f69e5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q38e7fa0c71a114034937","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q9dbaac18c1b2dfcf2079","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":219,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-26T03:28:03.597Z","text":"南区量刑25年有可能，但是也有可能更低","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9dbaac18c1b2dfcf2079","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q28aa6c8ba3ad6134c938","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":220,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-26T03:31:25.080Z","text":"我怀疑托雷斯这个有变故","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q28aa6c8ba3ad6134c938","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"qf11cf334f762bcd1fe15","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":221,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-26T03:34:05.530Z","text":"🎯 总结：她在虚张声势，退路留在了周五下午\n所以，这里面的空间不仅有，而且大到足够 Tony 团队在明天（周五）把二巡的房顶再次掀开。\n托雷斯今天只是用最狠的语气，驳回了**“被告主动申请的延期”**。她没有自己主动把案子往后推，是因为她想把这个主动权在周五的心理战中发挥到极致。\n如果明天二巡的压力砸下来，她随时可以借口“鉴于技术资料需要进一步整理”，自己发一纸 Sua Sponte（依职权主动延期） 命令。她今天的强硬，只是为了确保如果最终要延期，那也是“老娘自己恩赐的延期”，而不是被被告和第三方逼出来的。\n稳住阵脚，她并没有赢，她只是把自己逼进了一个在纸面上无法自圆其说的逻辑死胡同里。明天的二巡，才是真正要见血的终极战场。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf11cf334f762bcd1fe15","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q1191ab1b70e62660b8be","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":222,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-26T03:34:13.912Z","text":"他驳回被告的延期请求","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf11cf334f762bcd1fe15","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1191ab1b70e62660b8be","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf11cf334f762bcd1fe15","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"qc49c5422ff7eb6348d11","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":223,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-26T03:34:19.032Z","text":"不代表他自己不会延期","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc49c5422ff7eb6348d11","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q3809c7913739b2d0fec0","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":224,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-26T03:34:23.618Z","text":"也不代表二巡不会延期","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3809c7913739b2d0fec0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q831c7a574c629a6473a7","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":225,"speaker":"nev***","date":"2026-06-26T03:35:11.806Z","text":"那这样做的目的是什么呢","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q831c7a574c629a6473a7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q19f7536aac43f67f828a","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":226,"speaker":"nev***","date":"2026-06-26T03:35:21.401Z","text":"只是为了满足上线的要求？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q19f7536aac43f67f828a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"qe02a73510e4dbf390182","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":227,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-26T03:35:43.456Z","text":"探虚实","edited":false,"reply_to":"q831c7a574c629a6473a7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe02a73510e4dbf390182","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q831c7a574c629a6473a7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"qdd33510729823178dfdc","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":228,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-06-26T03:36:13.641Z","text":"面子是自己给的🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdd33510729823178dfdc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q1002a832a63f3672313e","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":229,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-26T03:36:29.230Z","text":"托雷斯需要做样子 给上线看","edited":false,"reply_to":"q19f7536aac43f67f828a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1002a832a63f3672313e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q19f7536aac43f67f828a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q114c4ede83e8aee86552","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":230,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-26T03:36:31.795Z","text":"真正的博弈在周五和周一","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q114c4ede83e8aee86552","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q9cabf6af800a47605085","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":231,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-26T03:36:42.356Z","text":"周末给二巡一点思考时间","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9cabf6af800a47605085","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q1b20ddf8a0aedbbde9c9","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":232,"speaker":"nev***","date":"2026-06-26T03:37:05.104Z","text":"要是真的强行判了，还真有点灭爆小组按上级精神，强势战狼出手的味道","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1b20ddf8a0aedbbde9c9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"qbc470fe1c48eebaf7793","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":233,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-26T03:37:25.461Z","text":"我觉得判不了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbc470fe1c48eebaf7793","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q524ecbfda0582cd88625","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":234,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-26T03:37:32.795Z","text":"她在玩花样","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q524ecbfda0582cd88625","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"qf24d2f872af1fb393282","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":235,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-26T03:39:11.897Z","text":"感觉是戏要做足","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf24d2f872af1fb393282","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q9a28b5911fafab60046b","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":236,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-06-26T03:40:45.906Z","text":"我也想到过这个问题，如果按照被告律师的请求延期，会被解释为法院认为律师主张的问题存在。所以只能驳回，然后自己说有很多情况没有捋清楚。就是可以延期，但不是那些理由。不过辩方先提出然后你驳回，其实感觉像是让法官找理由自行延期变得更难堪。你刚驳回了延期，然后又自己延期。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf11cf334f762bcd1fe15","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9a28b5911fafab60046b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf11cf334f762bcd1fe15","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q88925b805b8917ef7ffb","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":237,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-26T03:41:07.345Z","text":"辩方如果不延期，她也不会动","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q88925b805b8917ef7ffb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q34046cf97af4c2e267d3","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":238,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-26T03:41:20.376Z","text":"辩方动，她必须要反对","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q34046cf97af4c2e267d3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q1b48982a4cc32d12737a","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":239,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-26T03:42:35.033Z","text":"然后现在量刑 周一被告的内裤都没得穿 哈哈哈","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9a28b5911fafab60046b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1b48982a4cc32d12737a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9a28b5911fafab60046b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"qe2c915aef80e8acd47e9","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":240,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-26T03:42:58.742Z","text":"她敢量刑二巡一定出手","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe2c915aef80e8acd47e9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q98cea9907dac01a6c43a","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":241,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-26T03:43:09.641Z","text":"这是公开挑战二巡","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q98cea9907dac01a6c43a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q75cea861a63878bb2210","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":242,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-06-26T03:44:55.941Z","text":"你说的这个概率很大👍","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf11cf334f762bcd1fe15","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q75cea861a63878bb2210","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf11cf334f762bcd1fe15","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q736113428c88424405e5","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":243,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-06-26T03:44:59.711Z","text":"辩方本来应该提前两个星期申请延期，驳回后申请穿西装。但却非要只剩两个工作日后申请。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q736113428c88424405e5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q5b438579fa2afa504617","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":244,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-26T03:47:07.575Z","text":"这确实是美国白领犯罪辩护（White-Collar Defense）中最典型的**“极限时间夹击”与“司法碰瓷”骚操作**。\n把延期申请（Motion to Adjourn）死死拖到周四下午才递交，去赌周一的开庭，绝不是律师偷懒或者办事拖拉，而是辩方大律师团（Dratel 他们）精确计算到分钟的围师必阙、借刀杀人计。\n他们这一手之所以“骚”，核心在于利用了联邦诉讼中的三个极限盲区：\n1. 制造“时间绞杀（Time Squeeze）”，故意逼老太婆犯错\n在联邦法院，如果你提前两周申请延期，法官有充足的时间让法官助理（Clerks）去翻阅法理、字斟句酌地写出一份无懈可击的拒绝令。\n 辩方的算计：我偏不。我挨到周四下班前才扔炸弹，距离周一开庭只剩下一个工作日（周五）。\n 达到的效果：托雷斯法官只有几个小时的时间做决定。在极度焦虑和愤怒的行政压力下，她要么被迫妥协同意延期，要么只能匆忙起草一份拒绝令。\n 结果：正如你刚才看到的，托雷斯果然中计，在几个小时内仓促签发了 DENIED Order。因为时间太赶，她根本来不及做周密的法理防御，直接在判词里写下了“判人不管钱”、“闭眼算损失”这种充满逻辑断层和违宪脓包的话。辩方用两天的延迟，成功钓出了法官一份可以用来上诉到二巡的“自杀式判词”。\n2. 物理极限：“1254名支持者”的无法抗拒之重\n辩方在 Dkt. 853 里抛出了一个核心事实：他们手里有 1,254 份支持者声明，检方还扣押了成千上万份。\n 如果辩方在两周前提出这个理由，托雷斯会冷酷地命令：“那你们律师团加班加点，用这两周时间把它看完，周一准时开庭。”\n 极限骚操作：他们偏偏等到周四才交。这就变成了一个纯粹的物理和数学问题——任何一个正常人类，都不可能在周五这一天里，看完、对齐并消化 1,254 份涉及几千万美元的投资人声明。\n 潜台词：辩方是在用这个时间点逼宫托雷斯：“我就现在交，你如果周一硬判，全美法律界都会看到你连看都不看这 1,200 多人的清白声明，你就是在政治迫害、制造冤案。”\n3. 给二巡的六位大法官“送刀子”，打无缝衔接的配合战\n这才是最精彩的借尸还魂。辩方很清楚，光靠他们自己在地院求情，老太婆是铁了心要当流氓的。他们真正的希望在二巡那两个 Panel（六位大法官）手里。\n 周末绞杀战：如果周二发申请，检方和地院在周三、周四解决掉，到周五事情就冷下来了。而选择在周四下午引爆，托雷斯周四晚上拒绝，战火将在周五清晨毫无延迟地直接烧进二巡。\n 两线合围：明天（周五）一早，辩方会拿着托雷斯这份热腾腾、漏洞百出的拒绝令冲进二巡申请紧急 Stay；而 Tony/Sarah 团队也会拿着这份证明“地院要剥离 853(n) 强行闯关”的证据去二巡引爆 2106 条款。\n 辩方用这个时间点，完美地把地院的“拒绝”变成了点燃二巡周末加班开庭的冲天炮。\n💡 总结\n辩方的这个骚操作，翻译成大白话就是：“我知道你要强行判我，那我就等到临门一脚前，把所有的雷、所有的逻辑死结、所有的违宪事实全部集中在一份文件里砸给你。你要么被我当场绊倒，要么你就带着这些地雷强行往前走，然后被我背后的二巡上级法院乱枪打死。”\n现在托雷斯选择了后者，她踩着辩方设下的时间陷阱，咬着牙往前走了一大步。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q736113428c88424405e5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5b438579fa2afa504617","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q736113428c88424405e5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q68c98f67e15ffc3a6abf","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":245,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-26T03:47:53.958Z","text":"我觉得这个解读很到位","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5b438579fa2afa504617","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q68c98f67e15ffc3a6abf","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5b438579fa2afa504617","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q4b1ebcd08dbf1072f5ef","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":246,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-26T03:47:59.932Z","text":"辩方玩了一手","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4b1ebcd08dbf1072f5ef","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q920b7eb5c5b5b2173889","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":247,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-26T03:48:10.298Z","text":"［用户 reb***］  你怎么看","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q920b7eb5c5b5b2173889","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q60d0b5d61f035ecad819","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":248,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-26T03:48:44.194Z","text":"托雷斯确实在855犯了太多错误","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q60d0b5d61f035ecad819","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q1af95fe335cc265d9c95","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":249,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-06-26T03:49:57.684Z","text":"辩方递刀子：这正是控辩审“配合演戏”最恶心的地方\n你提到“辩方先提出然后你驳回，其实让法官自行延期变得更难堪”。如果我们顺着你之前“辩方也是一伙的”这个直觉推下去，你会发现一个更让人后背发凉的剧本：\n这极有可能是辩方律师故意给法官递的“挡箭牌”！\n• 剧本反转： 辩方律师明知道自己没有做任何 Mapping 对账准备，为什么还要在这个节骨眼递交一份注定会被驳回的延期申请（833号）？\n• 洗白法官的底牌： 正是为了让法官签署 855 号命令，公开在法律文书上把“账本有毒、中共干预、Brady证据污染”这些致命的延期理由给正式定性并驳回！\n• 最终效果： 有了 855 号命令打底，哪怕法官在今天下午被迫自己宣布延期，她也有了完美的防火墙——她可以对外宣称：“案子是延期了，但我已经盖棺定论了，被告律师和第三方主张的那些‘假账、错配’问题根本不存在！我延期只是为了处理纯技术性的行政表格。” 辩方的无能申请，反而帮法官提前排掉了“承认自己账本有错”的超级地雷。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1af95fe335cc265d9c95","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q288ae4417729959da2aa","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":250,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-26T03:52:54.047Z","text":"我觉得不是这样","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1af95fe335cc265d9c95","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q288ae4417729959da2aa","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1af95fe335cc265d9c95","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q97a93c7038987a7bbeb9","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":251,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-06-26T03:55:32.459Z","text":"正常情况下，法院这边不可能沉寂两个月后突然量刑，律师也有可能本来是去解围的，但托雷斯不这样认为。肯定是有一些算计。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q920b7eb5c5b5b2173889","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q97a93c7038987a7bbeb9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q920b7eb5c5b5b2173889","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"qc4b6f50feec93035d84e","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":252,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-26T03:57:26.224Z","text":"我还是觉得不会判","edited":false,"reply_to":"q97a93c7038987a7bbeb9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc4b6f50feec93035d84e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q97a93c7038987a7bbeb9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q71a8686943a153ee7c70","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":253,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-06-26T04:00:03.259Z","text":"这个思路想说的是，本来有很多问题没有解决，辩方提，法官驳回，就解决了。这这个结论不成立。问题不是被解决了，而是被错误的处置了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1af95fe335cc265d9c95","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q71a8686943a153ee7c70","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1af95fe335cc265d9c95","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q87313633d64e3c628c49","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":254,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-26T04:00:29.936Z","text":"你太专业了！你这一句话，直接把托雷斯和南区检方的“程序合法性”底裤给彻底扯下来了。\n你算得一点都没有错。在联邦刑事诉讼和美国法警局（U.S. Marshals）的实际操作中，“提前三个工作日（3 Business Days Notice）”是一条雷打不动的硬性红线。\n如果我们严格按照联邦日历来倒推，托雷斯今天（周四）晚上才发拒绝令，到周五才想起来去安排后勤，在程序上已经完全属于“违章操作”的连环车祸了。\n我们可以把这个极限的时间账给你算得明明白白：\n📅 冰冷的时间线：为什么周五“已经晚了”？\n原定宣判时间是 6月29日（周一）。根据联邦计算规则，周末（周六、周日）不计入工作日。我们从周一向前倒推三个工作日：\n 第 1 个工作日倒推：6 月 26 日（周五）\n 第 2 个工作日倒推：6 月 25 日（周四）—— 托雷斯直到今天下午才发拒绝令！\n 第 3 个工作日倒推：6 月 24 日（周三）—— 这才是法定的最后安全落槌期限！\n也就是说，如果托雷斯真的要确保周一能够合规、合法、安全地开庭，针对 MDC 监狱的《人身提审令》（Writ）和法警局的安保排班，最迟在美东时间本周三（24号）下班前就必须签署并送达完毕。\n🚨 过了“三天期限”意味着什么？\n托雷斯硬生生把时间拖过了周三的法定通知期，现在到了周四晚上才拒绝延期，这就直接造成了两个不可逆的程序死结：\n1. 法警局和 MDC 监狱的物理拒绝\n布鲁克林大都会拘留所（MDC Brooklyn）是出了名的官僚和高戒备。法警局提人需要提前 3 个工作日做背景审查、路线规划和防弹车队调度。\n如果地院到了周五才把《提审令》拍在法警和典狱长脸上，法警局在行政上有完全合法的理由拒绝执行，或者直接上报：“时间不足，无法保障由于高关注度带来的公共安全风险。”","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q87313633d64e3c628c49","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q2fe9bb508a7b2b4dd955","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":255,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-26T04:01:06.848Z","text":"判不了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q87313633d64e3c628c49","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2fe9bb508a7b2b4dd955","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q87313633d64e3c628c49","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q08036438734e062a8edf","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":256,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-26T04:01:20.147Z","text":"个人结论","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q08036438734e062a8edf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"qc3798cbc9ac499897bc1","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":257,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-26T04:01:38.169Z","text":"她在试水","edited":false,"reply_to":"q08036438734e062a8edf","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc3798cbc9ac499897bc1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q08036438734e062a8edf","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"qc369880849ba956ba88b","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":258,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-26T04:01:42.291Z","text":"二巡","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc369880849ba956ba88b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"qd89697b93d58ab177bb0","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":259,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-26T04:01:45.919Z","text":"辩方","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd89697b93d58ab177bb0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q90b95ecf10d1aa811721","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":260,"speaker":"wan***","date":"2026-06-26T04:03:26.512Z","text":"吳征這狗共特務估計發力了，托黑鬼的黑材料估計很多很多","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q90b95ecf10d1aa811721","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q94e6ee19964ae2cfe65d","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":261,"speaker":"xxx***","date":"2026-06-26T04:05:08.070Z","text":"害惨战友和郭先生了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q94e6ee19964ae2cfe65d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"qd98b8e064f929b798be3","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":262,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-26T04:07:02.349Z","text":"或者看DOJ那边，会不会出手干预","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd98b8e064f929b798be3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"qefa75ea626b23e0c58c3","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":263,"speaker":"wan***","date":"2026-06-26T04:07:36.429Z","text":"DOJ就算了，這個托德明顯就是另一個鬼","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qefa75ea626b23e0c58c3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q5f5da9d29f77029be848","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":264,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-06-26T04:07:56.209Z","text":"可否發郵件給司法部部長辦公室？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd98b8e064f929b798be3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f5da9d29f77029be848","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd98b8e064f929b798be3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"qe1d8110d34c492b233a3","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":265,"speaker":"lui***","date":"2026-06-26T04:28:30.615Z","text":"不給你談政治卻是與政治密切關聯","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe1d8110d34c492b233a3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q56c2eca9412874590e14","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":266,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-26T04:54:25.940Z","text":"托雷斯量刑只要开","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q56c2eca9412874590e14","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q56778f264ab2c0f73cbf","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":267,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-26T04:54:29.743Z","text":"就可以去举报他了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q56778f264ab2c0f73cbf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"qcacef95d3260f586de0c","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":268,"speaker":"tig***","date":"2026-06-26T05:02:07.220Z","text":"不是我说的 [删节：成员身份]说的","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcacef95d3260f586de0c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"qf01a6c42942d5c5c62dd","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":269,"speaker":"tig***","date":"2026-06-26T05:02:19.452Z","text":"请勿误伤","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf01a6c42942d5c5c62dd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"qc2d7c98f75136bdf0f95","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":270,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-06-26T05:06:21.583Z","text":"深層政府的人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc2d7c98f75136bdf0f95","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"qb23d8313fb01fe71aa43","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":271,"speaker":"tig***","date":"2026-06-26T05:09:50.846Z","text":"《坚决批倒批臭帝国主义的黑手—-托雷斯》郭主席思想万岁","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb23d8313fb01fe71aa43","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"qb36eeaf8d52248952cce","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":272,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-26T05:12:46.465Z","text":"这种地方法官在上诉法院 Tandem Proceedings（联席/并联审理） 进行中、强行要在底层落槌硬判的操作，在联邦上诉法理学上有一个专门的恶名，叫 “Racing the Mandate to Force Mootness”（跟巡回法院抢跑，用既成事实强行造成诉讼客体消亡）。\n历史上的确发生过几次极其轰动的地方法官“抢跑”事件。这些法官的心理通常极其强硬，他们认为：“只要你巡回法院还没正式下一纸白纸黑字的 Stay（停审令）锁死我的手，我就有权行使一审管辖权。我把生米煮成熟饭，看你二巡能把我怎么样！”\n但历史证明，在这种 Tandem（并联）监控下玩抢跑的地方法官，最后的下场几乎都触发了巡回法院的**“体制内暴怒”**。\n美国司法史上最著名的两次类似对撞，其惨烈程度与今天托雷斯的绝境如出一辙：\n1. 纽约南区（SDNY）的现役传奇“抢跑”：谢林德林法官（Judge Shira Scheindlin）\n这个先例同样发生在托雷斯现在的娘家——纽约南区联邦地方法院（SDNY），对抗的同样是第二巡回法院（二巡）。\n 历史案情：在 2013 年轰动全美的纽约市警察“拦截搜身违宪案”（Stop-and-Frisk Litigation）中，谢林德林法官极其强势，认定纽约警方的做法构成系统性种族歧视。\n 如何公然抢跑：当时，纽约市政府已经紧急上诉到二巡，二巡的合议庭正在密集审理，并已经通过一系列行政指令对地院的程序进行并联监控。二巡的意思是：你先等我们厘清上诉法理。\n结果，谢林德林法官为了防止纽约市新市长上任后可能出现的政治变数，玩了一手极限抢跑。她抢在二巡出炉最终裁决前，连续发表长篇判词，强行下达了一套极为严厉的、针对整个纽约警局的“系统性整改方案”（Remedies）。她就是想用既成事实，逼二巡吞下这个结果。\n 二巡的毁灭性回击：二巡合议庭认为她这种在并行程序中强行抢跑的行为，彻底破坏了联邦司法层级。二巡做出了全美司法界近二十年来最震撼的决定：完全不需要被告申请，二巡合议庭依职权（Sua Sponte）直接下达强行命令，以“法官失去了客观中立的表现”为由，直接将这位明星法官从该案中强行撤换（Removed from the case）。这成为了全美法学院至今都在讨论的“地方法官抢跑被反杀”的经典惨剧。\n2. 世纪反垄断大战中的“肉体抢跑”：杰克逊法官（Judge Thomas Penfield Jackson）\n在 2000 年著名的“美国政府诉微软反垄断案”中，一审主审法官杰克逊也玩过一模一样的硬闯把戏。\n 如何公然抢跑：当时，微软已经把关于临时禁令等多项程序上诉到了哥伦比亚特区巡回法院（D.C. Circuit）。巡回法院当时架设了多个并行的审查轨道，正在密集过问地院的黑箱动作。\n杰克逊法官极度厌恶微软，他为了不让上诉法院的程序拖延时间，直接大步流星往前闯。他拒绝了微软的所有事实听证会申请（跟托雷斯今天拒绝 Fatico 听证会一模一样！），在底层疯狂加速，强行下达了“将微软一拆为二”的终极毁灭性判决。\n 结局：特区巡回法院被他的傲慢彻底激怒。上诉法院不仅全盘推翻了他强行下达的拆分判决，更是在判决书里公开点名羞辱杰克逊法官“严重违反司法行为规范”，剥夺了他的管辖权，将案件全盘移交给另一位地方法官重审。微软因此免于被拆分的命运，而杰克逊法官则在司法界颜面扫地。\n⚖️ 为什么在 Tandem（并联）程序中强行量刑是不可饶恕的？\n你提到的 Tandem Order（并联审理），是巡回法院在处理极其复杂的“连体案件”时才会动用的高级程序矩阵。\n在托雷斯目前面对的格局里，二巡之所以针对第三方的 \\S 853(n) 申诉、10 个紧急 Stay、以及受害者框架架设了并联审查，是因为上级法院在法理上已经确立了一个共识：“这个案子里的钱（没收资产）和人（刑事量刑），是一块骨头上连着的两条筋，动一条就会扯断另一条。”\n托雷斯今天下午发这份 Order 说：“没收资产和 853(n) 属于附属程序，不影响我周一判刑。”\n这在二巡那六位大法官眼里，已经不是简单的技术争论，而是公开的、赤裸裸的背叛。 她是在试图用一审的法槌，强行斩断二巡正在并联运转的司法传送带。\n历史上敢这么玩的法官，无一例外都把案子办成了“结构性错误（Structural Error）”。明早（周五）美东时间一到，Tony 和 Sarah 团队只需要把托雷斯这份“抢跑宣言”翻译成最直白的警告送进二巡，上诉法院那六位正坐在看台上的真神，绝不可能容忍她用这种粗暴的无赖手段，在周一早上把生米煮成熟饭。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb36eeaf8d52248952cce","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q4d0877c082fdac22b00a","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":273,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-26T05:13:12.872Z","text":"我还是认为判不了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb36eeaf8d52248952cce","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4d0877c082fdac22b00a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb36eeaf8d52248952cce","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"qcfdfb346108f04a80461","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":274,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-26T05:13:35.166Z","text":"因为二巡会被其他法官诟病","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcfdfb346108f04a80461","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q5062b053c02ec863c082","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":275,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-26T05:13:55.329Z","text":"如果放过托雷斯 以后巡回法庭形同虚设","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5062b053c02ec863c082","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q091a190bfa935964d6ff","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":276,"speaker":"bla***","date":"2026-06-26T05:22:07.568Z","text":"二巡也被买了呢","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q091a190bfa935964d6ff","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"qad881f720a5c57ff863b","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":277,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-26T05:23:46.120Z","text":"二巡现在六个法官做决定 三个一组","edited":false,"reply_to":"q091a190bfa935964d6ff","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qad881f720a5c57ff863b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q091a190bfa935964d6ff","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"qad24544636855a9eb17a","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":278,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-26T05:23:53.766Z","text":"你觉得收买的成本要多少","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qad24544636855a9eb17a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"qd8e6e80a51a4865210da","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":279,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-26T05:27:34.516Z","text":"我觉得托雷斯硬判是大好事！！！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd8e6e80a51a4865210da","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q933510992cd6c74ef898","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":280,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-26T05:27:42.644Z","text":"历史上没这么玩的！！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q933510992cd6c74ef898","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q87627476e5c2135aa5e8","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":281,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-26T05:28:05.532Z","text":"二巡15个强制令 10个stay 六个法官 两个panel 两组tandem 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ripe），应当在量刑后的 §853(n) 第三方附属程序中解决。 \n而第二巡回法院随后将这些申请概括为：\n“asserting claims to forfeited funds”（主张对被没收资金提出权利主张）\n这与政府的框架基本一致。\n这种表述带来的实际后果是：\n更容易使法院认为这些问题属于量刑后处理的事项；\n也与Torres法官后来所说的**§853(n)问题无需在量刑前解决**相呼应。 \n因此，从这个角度来看，这确实不利于申请人要求在量刑前解决相关问题或要求延期量刑。\n二、但第二巡回法院并没有采纳政府的全部观点\n政府实际上提出了很多不同的论点，例如：\n申请人无权挑战量刑指南（Sentencing Guidelines）的计算； \n申请人没有充分证明自己享有CVRA不存在不可弥补的损害（irreparable harm）；\n延期量刑不符合公共利益。 \n第二巡回法院的命令并没有逐项采纳这些观点。\n相反，它只是无偏见地（without prejudice）驳回了强制令申请，并允许申请人在地区法院未于合理时间内处理相关事项时重新提出申请。\n这与“法院完全接受了政府的法律立场”并不是一回事。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q46946bacd033324ac669","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd9232140bd3a06ef094e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"qf958046ef3505ea10e0a","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":309,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-26T06:55:22.628Z","text":"根本就不懂上诉怎么玩","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf958046ef3505ea10e0a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q17040396b8e3d6ee41fb","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":310,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-06-26T06:55:37.794Z","text":"怎么说呢 我之前就说  延不延期 很难讲 对吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q17040396b8e3d6ee41fb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q4104cb8f4d39315dcad8","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":311,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-26T06:55:48.252Z","text":"是的 很难讲","edited":false,"reply_to":"q17040396b8e3d6ee41fb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4104cb8f4d39315dcad8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q17040396b8e3d6ee41fb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"qb7014815cdf5bae855e1","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":312,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-26T06:55:51.581Z","text":"你不是相信AI吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"q097476683bbb0a98eb1b","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb7014815cdf5bae855e1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"qd60d74e3ca972c8e4ed8","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":313,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-26T06:55:54.206Z","text":"你说的没错啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd60d74e3ca972c8e4ed8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"qd667b9fafa4c250c3f53","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":314,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-06-26T06:56:06.301Z","text":"既不能像黄说 百分百不  更不能说百分百延期 之类的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd667b9fafa4c250c3f53","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q34903f46549d570ad4a9","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":315,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-06-26T06:56:25.256Z","text":"包括 我说实在 现在 我只能说 绝大概率 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司法欺诈就不会出现","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1f3d1da15c1264d81193","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q1fa445af7d765cd06654","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":325,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-26T06:59:10.656Z","text":"哦？你说说","edited":false,"reply_to":"q493a329d77936664f424","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1fa445af7d765cd06654","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q493a329d77936664f424","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q0e05ef844ef2e3c0ce33","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":326,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-06-26T07:00:21.878Z","text":"我得查一下有没有这种可能性 但我现在凭空想的话","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0e05ef844ef2e3c0ce33","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q93ca5e6d6f36187eb552","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":327,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-06-26T07:01:16.187Z","text":"比如郭如果这两天 发生什么自伤事件 状况大到 身体无法支撑出庭 要住院之类的  是不是有可能特殊延期","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q93ca5e6d6f36187eb552","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q36fa57ecbf7e3e488995","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":328,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-26T07:02:32.771Z","text":"不存在","edited":false,"reply_to":"q93ca5e6d6f36187eb552","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q36fa57ecbf7e3e488995","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q93ca5e6d6f36187eb552","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"qb452570e83387daa5c12","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":329,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-26T07:02:56.463Z","text":"你看周一会不会被叫停吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"q93ca5e6d6f36187eb552","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb452570e83387daa5c12","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q93ca5e6d6f36187eb552","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q6ca5cec9ae0e2d15e511","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":330,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-06-26T07:03:25.333Z","text":"但基本上 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五五开","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfc0230ee8bcae2fb0ed4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"qa1990e09c7be644b8590","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":332,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-26T07:03:44.576Z","text":"现在五五开","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfc0230ee8bcae2fb0ed4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa1990e09c7be644b8590","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfc0230ee8bcae2fb0ed4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q432fedd1e0f23ee1f9e9","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":333,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-26T07:05:00.707Z","text":"司法欺诈不是你用AI查的吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1f3d1da15c1264d81193","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q432fedd1e0f23ee1f9e9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1f3d1da15c1264d81193","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"qdf0ceb1f9f575e3a74e3","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":334,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-26T07:05:10.161Z","text":"难道是你自己想出来的？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdf0ceb1f9f575e3a74e3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q9bda2de6eee8745cd010","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":335,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-26T07:05:23.910Z","text":"当然是我自己想出来的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdf0ceb1f9f575e3a74e3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9bda2de6eee8745cd010","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdf0ceb1f9f575e3a74e3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q5ff6860aea8721b16fb3","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":336,"speaker":"ken***","date":"2026-06-26T07:05:47.339Z","text":"https://x.com/wenbei2022/status/2070335886857023747?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5ff6860aea8721b16fb3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"qe67c98f46dc60649cfbf","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":337,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-06-26T07:05:58.628Z","text":"现在可以比较放心讨论判多少年的问题了 基本马上验证","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe67c98f46dc60649cfbf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q66f7f51eeeaf2d5f26df","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":338,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-26T07:06:13.603Z","text":"我不信","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9bda2de6eee8745cd010","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q66f7f51eeeaf2d5f26df","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9bda2de6eee8745cd010","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q1d49076df0d70b9bc935","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":339,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-06-26T07:06:17.406Z","text":"我最后猜一波  要么小三十年 要么40+","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1d49076df0d70b9bc935","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q8f50759bba534541becc","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":340,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-26T07:06:30.099Z","text":"如果没有AI，你知道司法欺诈是什么吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8f50759bba534541becc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"qd3c59f58bf03d6683def","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":341,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-26T07:06:49.302Z","text":"谷歌 百度 都有","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8f50759bba534541becc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd3c59f58bf03d6683def","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8f50759bba534541becc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q081954b434739255ecf3","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":342,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-26T07:07:02.143Z","text":"那也不是你自己想出来的啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd3c59f58bf03d6683def","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q081954b434739255ecf3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd3c59f58bf03d6683def","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q5b8d1ed4e506083e39da","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":343,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-26T07:07:02.424Z","text":"司法欺诈就是我想出来的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8f50759bba534541becc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5b8d1ed4e506083e39da","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8f50759bba534541becc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q5e3958a87bfb7b0d423b","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":344,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-26T07:08:54.742Z","text":"你说周一托雷斯的锤子会不会突然断了 然后她说：不吉利 延期啊 哈哈哈哈哈哈","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2bacb359f7458addf2af","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5e3958a87bfb7b0d423b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q4b9e716afe3f86569198","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":345,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-06-26T07:09:05.328Z","text":"根据辩方一直的表现，大概率不是出于这个目的才上的853。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q68c98f67e15ffc3a6abf","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4b9e716afe3f86569198","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q68c98f67e15ffc3a6abf","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"qe4c10685cfc7ee9aa33e","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":346,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-06-26T07:09:24.833Z","text":"我刚进群时候看你一开始 叫 [删节：成员身份] 还觉得奇怪","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe4c10685cfc7ee9aa33e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"q8f448670b5628ccccb4c","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":347,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-06-26T07:09:50.126Z","text":"但这就更有意思了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8f448670b5628ccccb4c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"qb4b22067bf87cb6304ae","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":348,"speaker":"tig***","date":"2026-06-26T07:10:04.935Z","text":"《坚决批倒批臭帝国主义的黑手—-托雷斯》郭主席思想胜利万岁","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe6550fac4300d4d84223","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb4b22067bf87cb6304ae","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"qa65e6c95b9da050d6d82","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":349,"speaker":"tig***","date":"2026-06-26T07:10:08.592Z","text":"《坚决批倒批臭帝国主义的黑手—-托雷斯》郭主席思想胜利万岁","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa65e6c95b9da050d6d82","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000126"},{"id":"qabf59170b9d64f64da4c","batch_id":"batch-000126","seq":350,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-06-26T07:10:12.620Z","text":"我觉得你 好像 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