{"id":"batch-000128","number":128,"revision":1,"date_start":"2026-06-29T15:23:57.506Z","date_end":"2026-06-30T04:25:56.572Z","total_messages":1000,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 128 (Jun 29, 2026 – Jun 30, 2026), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. From June 29 to June 30, 2026, community discussion shows a highly polarized thread moving from hearing logistics to merits and procedure. Participants disputed whether scheduling was driven by recusal, how the post-858-order forfeiture math should be read (13 billion, 4.11 billion, and 8.89 billion), and whether Wang-related acquittal reasoning should affect linkage with the Guo case. The thread then split over sentencing (360 months on nine counts), victim counts, alleged courtroom-health incidents, and fairness of the process for later appeals. Community statements, not court findings.","guide_en":[{"title":"Hearing timeline and procedure: was the hearing postponed for recusal or routine scheduling?","description":"Participants argued about whether the proceeding’s timing reflected a recusal-based deferral or ordinary court scheduling, and whether any delay was a tactical move. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qd58586f8bd28fdc545ee","q33b943fee2444c304aef","qf930c4459a71e3c0bf28","q62f8dc6da66c5ccc95d1","q312c46f28b7f86ba7d3b"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qd58586f8bd28fdc545ee","summary_en":"One participant suggested the postponement might be tied to a recusal motion rather than normal administration. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q33b943fee2444c304aef","summary_en":"A participant answered that this could be the case. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf930c4459a71e3c0bf28","summary_en":"Another participant agreed that a postponement for that reason was possible. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q62f8dc6da66c5ccc95d1","summary_en":"A participant speculated the move may have been used as a tactical retreat. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q312c46f28b7f86ba7d3b","summary_en":"One participant said recusal before sentencing would still be pursued in any event. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Amount interpretation after Order 858: conflicting figures including 1.3 billion, 8.89 billion, 4.11 billion, and 4.89","description":"Participants claimed that the forfeiture figures after Order 858 were contested by members, with rival arithmetic and source-quality objections driving different narratives. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qf4d3f0b00352a377f4ab","q063f9d653cab4d4f4b59","q4dc8770e06ea3c216a6c","q677d39f26183a6877fa3","q91c023ec6608ed062f98"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qf4d3f0b00352a377f4ab","summary_en":"A participant shared a video/social link as supporting material for the forfeiture discussion. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q063f9d653cab4d4f4b59","summary_en":"A participant claimed an update reported that the court sustained Guo’s objection and reduced 13 billion by 4.11 billion to 8.89 billion, while rejecting a bankruptcy seizure request. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q4dc8770e06ea3c216a6c","summary_en":"A participant asked for the original source text behind the reported figures. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q677d39f26183a6877fa3","summary_en":"Another participant posted a social-media status link tied to the financial-figure claim. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q91c023ec6608ed062f98","summary_en":"A participant challenged why those amount materials were placed in Guo’s case file. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"\"GTV acquittal/removal\" and Wang Yeping’s role: whether this affects the Wang-Guo linkage","description":"Participants disputed whether the alleged GTV acquittal narrative and Wang Yeping’s status should be treated as connected to the Guo matter or treated separately. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q0803f3f6276048f76b39","qa2640cea86b77da708c9","q8bea623c6f395a1d34a9","q4350d297988202affedf","q76307d5d299f15a5a605"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q0803f3f6276048f76b39","summary_en":"A participant suggested that a GTV acquittal or exclusion may have been deducted. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qa2640cea86b77da708c9","summary_en":"Another participant countered that it did not seem connected to Guo. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q8bea623c6f395a1d34a9","summary_en":"A participant asserted that Wang was acquitted. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q4350d297988202affedf","summary_en":"A participant contended that Wang mainly handled GTV investing, admitted acting for Guo in laundering and misappropriation, and argued the current record lacked supporting court materials. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q76307d5d299f15a5a605","summary_en":"Another participant described parties like Sara Wei as involved in GTV-related money diversion, claimed no court-filed evidence was presented, and said investors should present facts through pro se submissions. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Whether acquittal status, victim classification, and forfeiture amount are linked: no shared conclusion","description":"Participants argued over whether claims about liability, victim designation, and forfeiture should be tied together, with repeated objections and counterclaims about responsibility. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qa94314cd11928b108ebd","q15f7a71a7b3e6cf4bc60","q2d213c6ec4dc0a356e2f","q20b2c888003086d455e1","q75952366b74ee041a64d"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qa94314cd11928b108ebd","summary_en":"A participant argued that even after sentencing, funds might still not be recoverable, tying process outcome to money loss. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q15f7a71a7b3e6cf4bc60","summary_en":"The same concern was repeated that post-sentencing recovery remained uncertain. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q2d213c6ec4dc0a356e2f","summary_en":"A participant disputed an acquittal claim by arguing misappropriating investor funds remains criminal conduct. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q20b2c888003086d455e1","summary_en":"One participant endorsed that contention. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q75952366b74ee041a64d","summary_en":"A participant characterized Qingteng as both a conspirator and a victim simultaneously. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Victim list and loss metric conflict: repeated checking of 230/235 figures and monetary detail","description":"Participants disputed the victim-number and loss accounting, challenging whether the counts and amounts reflected distinct losses or duplicative statements. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q22ed20ecf613f3782c72","q12cf45e38e5372a12638","q1a7d54b4391bee0046a5","qcd142a10bc34767ff427","q1f73d8d0a077181a999f"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q22ed20ecf613f3782c72","summary_en":"A participant relayed a report that Judge Torres said Guo had mixed acquittals and convictions with a 175-year maximum and noted 230 victim statements. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q12cf45e38e5372a12638","summary_en":"A participant cited AUSA remarks that Guo denied the harms and highlighted 235 victim statements, especially by opponents of the CCP. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q1a7d54b4391bee0046a5","summary_en":"Another participant repeated the 235 victim-statement figure. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qcd142a10bc34767ff427","summary_en":"A participant questioned the dataset by stating 40 victim statements were attributed to one person. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q1f73d8d0a077181a999f","summary_en":"A participant observed that the monetary decimal patterns looked identical across entries. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Sentencing positions escalate: prosecution seeks high term, defense seeks reduction, and the 360-month result is reinterpreted","description":"Participants contested the sentencing stage, contrasting government requests, defense comparators, and the court’s final 360-month term. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q4befe63ec3d248d09262","q1e747482380e0b34055c","qeae7ad0cdc690cbd8ffe","q545c64e79b04814f20ca","q716314ec247fd07d32ff"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q4befe63ec3d248d09262","summary_en":"A participant said the government argued for 30 years. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q1e747482380e0b34055c","summary_en":"A participant reported prosecutors’ claim that even supporters could be treated as victims. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qeae7ad0cdc690cbd8ffe","summary_en":"A participant relayed defense reliance on median sentences to seek below-guideline punishment and noted Guo wanted to speak before judgment. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q545c64e79b04814f20ca","summary_en":"A participant said probation recommended 240 months plus 60 consecutive, while prosecutors still pressed 30 years, and defense offered no specific floor. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q716314ec247fd07d32ff","summary_en":"A participant stated the judge reduced below guidelines due to three years in detention and imposed 360 months on nine counts. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Dispute over defendant health events: fainting, vomiting, and whether hospitalization warranted pausing proceedings","description":"Participants disputed the meaning and credibility of claimed health incidents and whether they should have interrupted or ended hearing flow. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q4ce3c3767a8b730a36ee","q79aad1931dadbddbee6b","q0516c8e05d5a65939335","q53ec4f96276ceb53d5f2","q422c0a6102d987156daf"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q4ce3c3767a8b730a36ee","summary_en":"A participant cited Guo’s statement that he fainted and went to hospital, asking the court to rely on video evidence. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q79aad1931dadbddbee6b","summary_en":"A participant echoed that Guo said he had fainted, pointing to video confirmation. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q0516c8e05d5a65939335","summary_en":"A participant asked whether the collapse occurred during trial proceedings. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q53ec4f96276ceb53d5f2","summary_en":"A participant described Guo claiming he had vomited blood and hinted at an appeal possibility. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q422c0a6102d987156daf","summary_en":"A participant cynically questioned why he was not incapacitated if poisoned, suggesting return from hospital was possible by design. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Mystery black-clad woman: repeated scrutiny of identity, authority, and possible overreach","description":"Participants continuously argued over who the black-clad woman was, her role in court, and whether she reflected unauthorized intervention in proceedings. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q4df9f6db3bc9b860b10a","q920697ef6eef477c95b8","qcf81e571804d5981bf14","q0462124ec69c08f45796","q1eeaf5b782d1a8a2d4c8"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q4df9f6db3bc9b860b10a","summary_en":"A participant quoted Guo saying the woman remained present and querying her identity, alleging procedural inconsistency. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q920697ef6eef477c95b8","summary_en":"A participant remarked that poor health did not seem to stop attendance and used court-gown details as circumstantial context. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qcf81e571804d5981bf14","summary_en":"A participant asked directly what the black-clad woman was and how she appeared in the process. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q0462124ec69c08f45796","summary_en":"A participant speculated she might have been in a car at the critical time. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q1eeaf5b782d1a8a2d4c8","summary_en":"Another participant noted that any poisoning claim could not be pinned to that woman alone. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Evidence sources and text availability: transcript, social media, sealed/encrypted materials and their authenticity were questioned","description":"Participants claimed courtroom and media materials lacked clear provenance, arguing that availability and authenticity of transcripts, social posts, and encrypted documents were contested. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q9572181a934a12228432","qddd09b9488d20e7081cd","q5e6b03ddfc1cb54554a9","q5ddf3c042b32ed0dbe43","q24b1dfcd96fb19d31f59"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q9572181a934a12228432","summary_en":"A participant asked where live-stream coverage could be viewed. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qddd09b9488d20e7081cd","summary_en":"A participant relayed a court summary that even accepting asylum claims did not excuse fraud and that Wang had a role while Guo remained the principal. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q5e6b03ddfc1cb54554a9","summary_en":"A participant speculated that Guo might have hidden leverage or a 'secret weapon.' Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q5ddf3c042b32ed0dbe43","summary_en":"A participant claimed decrypted files were placed openly on the table, questioning process around document handling. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q24b1dfcd96fb19d31f59","summary_en":"A participant simply agreed with the evidence-chain concerns. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Appeal and second-review path as key division: timing, third-party positions, and ability to submit new materials","description":"Participants disputed when an appeal should be filed, what qualifies as independent evidence, and whether second-stage review allows new materials or remains constrained by prior procedural posture. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q11c89466f76236175bbd","q014daed781a41d0174e6","q570b9ef6e21467445aa3","qdbc8d2ccb403ad8e5fba","q98f0f7e0258965a5a374"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q11c89466f76236175bbd","summary_en":"A participant questioned whether the second circuit would treat the resolved motion and sentencing phase as making later relief meaningless. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q014daed781a41d0174e6","summary_en":"A participant insisted appeals should rest on independent and credible evidence, not speculative material. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q570b9ef6e21467445aa3","summary_en":"A participant argued the case contained multiple points of procedural unfairness. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qdbc8d2ccb403ad8e5fba","summary_en":"A participant stated that the sentencing process itself was now considered defective. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q98f0f7e0258965a5a374","summary_en":"A participant suggested official actors were creating outcomes through improper procedure and wanted to point that out. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Political narrative and liability run in parallel: CCP framing, investor-arrest claims, and perceived procedural bias are intertwined","description":"Participants claimed political framing and culpability arguments were advanced together, with some urging focus on CCP-linked investor-coercion claims while others centered on procedural trust. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qd389a2cbdd85098542b6","q2b6e925fc5ec0dfbe5de","q7ba7bce9eb03926c71a6","q13c3a1d0e4f08a4236a3"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qd389a2cbdd85098542b6","summary_en":"A participant noted Guo reportedly mentioned investors being detained, linking the case narrative to CCP pressure. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q2b6e925fc5ec0dfbe5de","summary_en":"A participant asked whether focusing on the central issue was being missed. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q7ba7bce9eb03926c71a6","summary_en":"A participant said reactions seemed disproportionate whenever CCP investor-coercion claims were raised. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q13c3a1d0e4f08a4236a3","summary_en":"A participant asked what conditions or criteria would be required, suggesting procedural gatekeeping concerns. Community statements, not court 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你信？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe9c8a88687d0a4ad2413","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6dfd66e772c9b883a138","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe9c8a88687d0a4ad2413","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"qd6d043a91daee8b0e5e9","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":828,"speaker":"bla***","date":"2026-06-30T01:38:25.833Z","text":"操 早布局好了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd6d043a91daee8b0e5e9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"qe287648cca8278d171be","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":829,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-30T01:38:37.138Z","text":"复制粘帖的陈述\n就最后的受害者名字改动","edited":false,"reply_to":"q471d739869bfcd922ad1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe287648cca8278d171be","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q471d739869bfcd922ad1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"qe62d2371cf45fdb3c3c1","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":830,"speaker":"Sap***","date":"2026-06-30T01:47:05.655Z","text":"很遗憾，用户 ［用户 nil***］ 离开了 **郭文贵法庭文件，不禁言不删帖**。希望他一路好走。","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe62d2371cf45fdb3c3c1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"qbaa2c18de7e2aeb173fc","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":831,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-06-30T01:50:04.986Z","text":"这种陈述不用验投资证明也不用验ID的吧，那不是要多少有多少","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe287648cca8278d171be","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbaa2c18de7e2aeb173fc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe287648cca8278d171be","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"qe9d9c45b597ced847996","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":832,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-30T01:50:16.528Z","text":"郭这种健康状态在mdc生活三年，真是奇迹","edited":false,"reply_to":"q901cf133eeb25d16062b","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe9d9c45b597ced847996","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"q99a709a9392c66c2b4d7","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":833,"speaker":"sug***","date":"2026-06-30T01:53:20.395Z","text":"得是未经剪辑过的原视频！\n而不是不知由谁编写的一段文字。如何证明此话出自他的口中？\n即便是法庭上递交证据也得是原件吧，复印件可不行❌","edited":false,"reply_to":"q901cf133eeb25d16062b","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q99a709a9392c66c2b4d7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"qe67575692488ee4eebd7","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":834,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-30T01:53:42.264Z","text":"你去找视频呗","edited":false,"reply_to":"q99a709a9392c66c2b4d7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe67575692488ee4eebd7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q99a709a9392c66c2b4d7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"q31494f33321d780db81c","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":835,"speaker":"bla***","date":"2026-06-30T01:54:10.176Z","text":"我也有印象 这个没必要争了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q99a709a9392c66c2b4d7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q31494f33321d780db81c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q99a709a9392c66c2b4d7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"q3f96747cac7239f8a54a","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":836,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-30T01:54:13.057Z","text":"你想提交法庭，你就去自己找视频","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3f96747cac7239f8a54a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"qafa76fa1e95be85af2bd","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":837,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-30T01:54:26.497Z","text":"我只能给你文字","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qafa76fa1e95be85af2bd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"qf4a322b709d08d80421e","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":838,"speaker":".an***","date":"2026-06-30T01:55:53.911Z","text":"能看到230份受害人陈述的内容吗？这些陈述让托雷斯加重了两个量刑等级。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf4a322b709d08d80421e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"q8747edef7b4b8cee8244","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":839,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-30T01:56:30.492Z","text":"郭都说了，最后这个案子就是不顾任何法理，就是为了钱，把你给判了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf4a322b709d08d80421e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8747edef7b4b8cee8244","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf4a322b709d08d80421e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"q3f6cafe0540193b9132e","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":840,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-30T01:56:46.069Z","text":"就是没有什么道理可以讲","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3f6cafe0540193b9132e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"qd635805668031f04598c","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":841,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-30T01:56:59.675Z","text":"现在就是看看二巡和最高法院，讲不讲道理了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd635805668031f04598c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"q014daed781a41d0174e6","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":842,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-30T01:57:28.986Z","text":"所以上诉必须有独立真实的证据，不要乱来","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q014daed781a41d0174e6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"q46cfca8f48a533565cae","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":843,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-06-30T01:59:00.118Z","text":"連這個也可以作為呈堂證供，暈🤭🤣🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe287648cca8278d171be","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q46cfca8f48a533565cae","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe287648cca8278d171be","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"qb569367558e420e2f34b","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":844,"speaker":"ken***","date":"2026-06-30T01:59:24.470Z","text":"都吐血吐得晕倒了？还叫没事吗？\n\n你没看到 郭先生自己都说“要是吐血块、吐黑血就完了！”？？？\n\n你别天天 混淆视听！","edited":false,"reply_to":"q901cf133eeb25d16062b","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb569367558e420e2f34b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"qe3f5bc80acabef44dceb","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":845,"speaker":"ken***","date":"2026-06-30T02:00:56.752Z","text":"他在为 托雷斯法官 洗地！","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf00e7e944ba189cc24ef","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe3f5bc80acabef44dceb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"q27c925a068c19b73b6c5","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":846,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-06-30T02:02:41.510Z","text":"如果只是在量刑时发表受害人陈述\n\n依据联邦的《犯罪受害人权利法》（Crime Victims' Rights Act，简称 CVRA），受害人可以：\n\n向法院提交书面陈述；\n在量刑时口头发言；\n表达案件对自己的影响。\n\n通常不会要求现场出示身份证（ID）或投资证明。\n\n法院一般依赖：\n\n检察官事先确认其属于受害人；\n缓刑官（Probation Office）收集的信息；\n案件记录中的资料。\n\n如果是远程提交书面陈述，更不会要求每位受害人都到庭验身份证。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q27c925a068c19b73b6c5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"qf8658b30d6926b66dc32","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":847,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-30T02:03:38.110Z","text":"在这愤怒，又没有用\n得看得远\n根据这几方的反应，验证这个群之前的推理\n别人是配合做局，你要破局，没那么容易","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe3f5bc80acabef44dceb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf8658b30d6926b66dc32","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe3f5bc80acabef44dceb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"qcd705fc8276615548ef5","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":848,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-30T02:03:45.384Z","text":"不就是你们现在干的吗，颠倒黑白","edited":false,"reply_to":"q893a3cfbadbff70a25a3","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcd705fc8276615548ef5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"q73a16d83fa08233efd0d","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":849,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2026-06-30T02:05:24.294Z","text":"七哥吐血了！？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q73a16d83fa08233efd0d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"qec376affd8af7c1be98a","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":850,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2026-06-30T02:05:30.398Z","text":"https://x.com/i/status/2071719324721860819","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qec376affd8af7c1be98a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"q3de4b55e871d3f404270","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":851,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-30T02:05:32.280Z","text":"吐血了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q73a16d83fa08233efd0d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3de4b55e871d3f404270","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q73a16d83fa08233efd0d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"qbc45b462dfd92ce513c1","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":852,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-30T02:05:58.553Z","text":"吐血之后，还被逼迫上庭","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbc45b462dfd92ce513c1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"q47562968e98c066e4e24","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":853,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-30T02:06:12.601Z","text":"估计量刑必须要无效了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q47562968e98c066e4e24","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"qf95c40097282f1a47bc4","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":854,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-06-30T02:06:13.097Z","text":"托雷斯不顾最高法院的判例，就是强行的你控制了G enterprise ，所以这些钱就可以作为金钱判决给到你，就算第三方证明了是他们的钱，也不能从中排除。托雷斯的854，855，858，完全就是蛮横式裁决。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf95c40097282f1a47bc4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"qbf85d529c60ffe297ea0","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":855,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2026-06-30T02:06:35.903Z","text":"卧槽，迫害到这种程度。\n狗日的，ccp的招数他们全用上了。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbf85d529c60ffe297ea0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"qcd4073efb9f2b8697fb5","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":856,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2026-06-30T02:07:42.259Z","text":"853n的钱你们全得等着。\n等着司法部的安排。\n郭文贵的钱，我们先要没收。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf95c40097282f1a47bc4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcd4073efb9f2b8697fb5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf95c40097282f1a47bc4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"qc300ab460fad2d58bc77","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":857,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-30T02:08:53.270Z","text":"853n remission等渣渣\n先给破产案债权人 PAX [删节：隐私信息]","edited":true,"reply_to":"qcd4073efb9f2b8697fb5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc300ab460fad2d58bc77","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcd4073efb9f2b8697fb5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"q1aa7d80373a9203a4104","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":858,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-06-30T02:09:31.274Z","text":"一身米黄色囚服","edited":false,"reply_to":"qffb520961aeba1ddfb11","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1aa7d80373a9203a4104","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qffb520961aeba1ddfb11","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"qdfbf09d007b406ff9dc7","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":859,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2026-06-30T02:09:34.236Z","text":"法庭收缴的钱，都给[删节：隐私信息]！？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdfbf09d007b406ff9dc7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"q7bc40b7f07e54f9bb774","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":860,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-06-30T02:10:12.971Z","text":"果然 就是三十年  这就是顶格儿判了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7bc40b7f07e54f9bb774","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"qa24388e3250bbdfbc906","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":861,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-06-30T02:10:31.524Z","text":"一、 医疗紧急状况与系统性漠视：意图何在？ 事件还原： 郭先生在法警（Marshals）的押送过程中晕倒并被送往医院，随后出现“到处呕吐”、“吐血”的严重症状。但在上午10:30，他非但没有留在医院接受全面救治，反而被强行带回了环境恶劣的大都会拘留中心（MDC）。直到10:45医生才出现。 \n\n深度剖析： \n•    掩盖迫害痕迹： 如果这套司法体系已经被深层力量渗透，那么郭先生的突发重疾极有可能不仅仅是简单的身体不适，而是MDC内部长期恶劣关押条件，甚至是针对他个人的蓄意身体迫害所致。 \n\n•    强行推进程序： 正常情况下，被告吐血应该立即申请紧急医疗延期。但检方和法院之所以急于将他拉回MDC，是因为他们必须保证今天的量刑听证会如期完成。在他们的剧本里，今天必须落锤宣判，任何医疗意外都不能阻挡这个“政治任务”的时间线。\n\n 二、 核心疑点：\n“神秘黑衣女子”的真实身份与越权指挥 事件还原： 下午1:30左右，一名并非警察的神秘黑衣女子出现。她有权发号施令（“你必须出庭”），她不在警车内而是在另一辆车里等候，并且一直跟到了法庭现场。 \n\n深度剖析： 这是整段陈述中最令人毛骨悚然的细节。在美国严密的联邦法警（US Marshals）押送系统中，绝不可能允许一个“非执法人员”介入并指挥。\n •    “督战”的特派员： 在您设定的前提下，这名女子根本不是普通的司法人员，而是代表深层政府或中共利益的“特派员（Handler）”或“联络人”。她的任务只有一个：确保郭先生今天必须站在法官面前接受重判。\n •    凌驾于司法之上： 郭先生当庭指出检察官在撒谎（检察官称只有1名官员，而郭先生质问“那个女人是谁”），这说明检方在刻意掩护这名黑衣女子的存在。这意味着法庭上的检方甚至只是这股幕后力量的执行者，真正的操盘手就在法庭后方旁听。 \n\n三、 销毁证据与粉饰太平：“剪碎衣服”的暴力操作 事件还原： 他们剪碎了郭先生的衣服，擦掉了他脸上的血迹，强行给他换上了出庭的衣服。 \n\n深度剖析： \n•    消灭“迫害”的物证： 带有血迹的衣服和虚弱的仪态是遭受不公对待和医疗忽视的最直接物证。幕后力量深知，如果郭先生穿着带血的衣服出现在法庭上，必然会引起轩然大波，甚至可能引发媒体和公众对MDC黑幕的彻查。 \n•    维持“正义”的伪装： 强行换装、擦干血迹，是为了给主审法官和公众维持一个“程序正义”的完美假象。深层政府需要这场量刑看起来符合一切合规流程，因此他们用暴力的手段（剪碎衣服）抹去了郭先生真实的惨状。\n\n 四、 最后的绝地反击与政治宣言 事件还原： 郭先生当庭要求法官去查阅监控录像，直斥检察官撒谎，并在最后重申自己来美国的初衷是“消灭中共”，为此损失了数十亿并遭遇抓捕。最后以一句“我将上诉”结束。 \n深度剖析：\n •    打破信息茧房： 郭先生非常清楚，法庭上的笔录是会被永久记录的官方档案。他利用这仅有的发言机会，不是为了求情，而是为了立案存照。他把“监控录像”、“吐血”、“黑衣女子”这些关键词永远地钉在了联邦案件的庭审记录上。\n •    直面深层联盟： 他的结语是对这套“同流合污”系统的直接宣战。他向法庭表明，他极其清醒地知道这根本不是一场金融诈骗的审判，而是一场因为他“消灭中共”的政治目标而招致的定向绞杀。那句“我将上诉”，说明他已经彻底看透了Torres法官和检方的既定立场，准备将战场转移到更高级别的法院或公众舆论中。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa24388e3250bbdfbc906","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"qc70a7e73add83bb570de","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":862,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-06-30T02:10:58.713Z","text":"司法部只处理remission ，要以财产所有权返还，需要法庭裁。托雷斯说量刑后在解决，当然不要当真，一定是用程序手段给你拒了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcd4073efb9f2b8697fb5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc70a7e73add83bb570de","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcd4073efb9f2b8697fb5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"q1359057cc01fae0125fd","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":863,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-06-30T02:11:11.689Z","text":"很多砸锅的  动不动开口 四五十年的  很明显我就能看出来 虽然跟踪郭事件可能长  但法律这块儿 功课做的其实很片面","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1359057cc01fae0125fd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"qd8eb931c1e803714e835","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":864,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-06-30T02:11:51.207Z","text":"郭的九项罪   加吧加吧 好像200年 纸面儿","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd8eb931c1e803714e835","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"q311b010026f6f0aafc09","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":865,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-06-30T02:12:28.296Z","text":"但法律分  累加型 和 并行型  郭大部分项目 全是并行的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q311b010026f6f0aafc09","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"q8ace2cbf1ebc59ebf72e","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":866,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-30T02:12:34.295Z","text":"三十年不是顶格，但也很长时间了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7bc40b7f07e54f9bb774","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ace2cbf1ebc59ebf72e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7bc40b7f07e54f9bb774","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"q6af52557b4aff13fb3ac","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":867,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-06-30T02:12:37.731Z","text":"顶格儿  就是三十年","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6af52557b4aff13fb3ac","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"qc2bb14cb8163192af0ae","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":868,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-06-30T02:13:18.674Z","text":"只是因为 美国判例法 允许一定例外 如果这个人 造成极其严重后果 本身又有极端严重前科 法官可以变通","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc2bb14cb8163192af0ae","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"q26e48db3c46c44c7fa78","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":869,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-06-30T02:13:28.394Z","text":"可以更高 但这招情况很罕见","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q26e48db3c46c44c7fa78","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"q19f48442d816dc99fd44","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":870,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-06-30T02:14:03.787Z","text":"郭说实话 俺客观看  不怎么符合  如果法官强判 辩方很容易上诉减刑 能赢","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q19f48442d816dc99fd44","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"q498d871ff382974aa1f2","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":871,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-06-30T02:14:54.182Z","text":"说顶格儿不是三十年的 都是不怎么懂北美这块儿法律的  按照累加去计算的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q498d871ff382974aa1f2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"qf97fed9a476157f72aad","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":872,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-06-30T02:15:18.253Z","text":"托雷斯想了两个多月，还是没有把判词写圆。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf97fed9a476157f72aad","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"q570b9ef6e21467445aa3","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":873,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-30T02:15:18.329Z","text":"这案子本身多处程序不正义","edited":false,"reply_to":"q498d871ff382974aa1f2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q570b9ef6e21467445aa3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q498d871ff382974aa1f2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"qb19dc71069e0fa40978c","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":874,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-30T02:15:28.595Z","text":"本来根本不可能量刑","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb19dc71069e0fa40978c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"qdbc8d2ccb403ad8e5fba","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":875,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-30T02:15:37.812Z","text":"现在量刑就是有问题的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdbc8d2ccb403ad8e5fba","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"qf1476594684452e343ea","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":876,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-06-30T02:15:50.363Z","text":"总之 已经结束了。。。。 不过对于各位 见仁见智吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf1476594684452e343ea","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"q7b11834a15244cdfe589","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":877,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-06-30T02:16:16.531Z","text":"另一個戰場的開始！","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf1476594684452e343ea","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7b11834a15244cdfe589","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf1476594684452e343ea","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"q1d88423c38df80c4cbcc","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":878,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-30T02:16:17.013Z","text":"但是法官已经拖了很久了，没人递证据啊，没人递CCP迫害的证据啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1d88423c38df80c4cbcc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"qc4f346e6dd3eadcf230c","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":879,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-30T02:16:22.998Z","text":"咋办啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc4f346e6dd3eadcf230c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"q32db76dd2685523edc65","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":880,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-30T02:16:37.053Z","text":"所以只能硬着头皮量刑了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q32db76dd2685523edc65","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"q312f6557916b98711f0e","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":881,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-06-30T02:17:10.802Z","text":"对我来说 下一步就看 联盟那些头头 能弄进去多少","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7b11834a15244cdfe589","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q312f6557916b98711f0e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7b11834a15244cdfe589","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"q57f748ccdd34e376ecbe","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":882,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-06-30T02:17:25.402Z","text":"这个 也许真要靠各位努力 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泰山 叶钊颖 青藤\nhttps://gettr.com/post/p41egdp9a5c","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qae9e9a2b06b3f9607756","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"qb1a182ac34aad45fe15b","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":943,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-30T03:30:55.194Z","text":"https://x.com/ruienxiaoge777/status/2071798541186646064?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb1a182ac34aad45fe15b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"q72248fd5509eb9f2f0c6","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":944,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-30T03:45:36.980Z","text":"现在的问题是，如果你走remission的话，基本上就是司法部的赔偿程序，如果你想去反对别人的赔偿，你可以去法庭吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q72248fd5509eb9f2f0c6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"q5d9e4295d293ccf44258","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":945,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-30T03:46:05.372Z","text":"如果你是853n，你有资格反对别人的赔偿吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d9e4295d293ccf44258","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"q69b423d6fd59bd8ffa1b","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":946,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-06-30T03:47:01.146Z","text":"80多岁能出来了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q69b423d6fd59bd8ffa1b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"q84f03273816b8cd8da74","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":947,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-06-30T03:49:56.693Z","text":"我早说了 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enterprise的就算。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q61bf9b72efdd50c12d61","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d9f45ca4cfe4ddef325","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q61bf9b72efdd50c12d61","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"qf60e5e8b9075da010cda","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":959,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-30T04:09:02.072Z","text":"第三方你没有standing，除非你有证据","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf60e5e8b9075da010cda","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"qb005306d0f3d7f60c5fe","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":960,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-30T04:09:10.705Z","text":"第三方你只能提供证据","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb005306d0f3d7f60c5fe","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"q98a1d68f9bf44729c171","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":961,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-30T04:09:36.648Z","text":"你没有standing打上诉，翻案的standing你没有","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q98a1d68f9bf44729c171","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"q8ed3708cff9471bd925e","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":962,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-06-30T04:09:59.682Z","text":"是犯罪资金，不意味着就是可确认的损失，可确认的损失，必须是主动配合政府并提交证据的才能算。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ed3708cff9471bd925e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"q5a040087f528334e595b","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":963,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-06-30T04:10:10.570Z","text":"上诉有结果得好几年吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf2f1b4a469c69752d5ed","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5a040087f528334e595b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"q13611da12b55abbceb99","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":964,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-30T04:11:32.940Z","text":"法官858文件说的是，无论你是不是承认受害者，你的钱都算成loss","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8ed3708cff9471bd925e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q13611da12b55abbceb99","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ed3708cff9471bd925e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"qfd4dccb0896afa12b721","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":965,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-30T04:11:47.885Z","text":"她说二巡有判例","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfd4dccb0896afa12b721","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"qc2492ea5cf9740cbf9d7","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":966,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-30T04:12:20.687Z","text":"因为你的钱已经成为这个犯罪组织洗钱的一部分了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc2492ea5cf9740cbf9d7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"q6e319ad589271239e79c","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":967,"speaker":"0x_***","date":"2026-06-30T04:12:25.598Z","text":"延迟2个月估计就是在找这些判例","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6e319ad589271239e79c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"qd6e0e00aa84a11e5459c","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":968,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-30T04:13:15.187Z","text":"就是说这是个犯罪组织，然后你投了钱进去，虽然你不觉得你受害了，但是你的钱已经是犯罪的一部分了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd6e0e00aa84a11e5459c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"qf83e285a5c1d95947446","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq":969,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-30T04:13:27.227Z","text":"所以都算成loss","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf83e285a5c1d95947446","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000128"},{"id":"q1e43c35054deac44fcf5","batch_id":"batch-000128","seq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