{"id":"batch-000130","number":130,"revision":1,"date_start":"2026-07-01T11:26:49.324Z","date_end":"2026-07-03T02:26:05.303Z","total_messages":1000,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 130 (Jul 1, 2026 – Jul 3, 2026), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Discussions shifted from emotional posturing toward procedural legal battles, dividing over political narratives versus actionable legal pathways. Central disputes involved whether the second-instance appeal would change outcomes, whether 853N, 853I, and remission could run concurrently, how forfeiture order windows and victim status are determined, and whether private prosecution is viable. 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already ruled that Gail's 6,000 individuals are not recognized as victims."},{"message_id":"q97954b991fa08209e0c6","summary_en":"him*** contends that refusing victim status forfeits the right to speak and seek remission while losses remain calculated in sentencing."},{"message_id":"q078c1ff798bbd7073845","summary_en":"him*** argues that anyone seeking justice, exoneration, or anti-CCP mobilization is entitled to address the court."}]},{"title":"Asset Recovery Debates Shifting to Distribution Procedures, Priority Rankings, and Low Return Expectations","description":"Participants discuss recovery procedures, practical claims prioritization, and diminished expectations regarding returned funds.","message_ids":["q554d806440ca368a203a","q2c39cfcc245a3ac158a3","qde59c346a9839f3f8202"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q554d806440ca368a203a","summary_en":"kir*** describes the asset recovery process as applying to the court for a disbursed share once property is forfeited."},{"message_id":"q2c39cfcc245a3ac158a3","summary_en":"may*** remarks cynically about supporters celebrating a mere five percent refund of their investments."},{"message_id":"qde59c346a9839f3f8202","summary_en":"cin*** contends that the outcome of these competing financial and legal efforts will never reach a definitive resolution."}]},{"title":"Evidentiary Disputes Regarding Independent Submissions, Provenance, and Practical Viability","description":"Participants argue over the necessity of independent evidence and the gap between having proof and successfully overturning cases.","message_ids":["q78562c0a7f5188a5d0cd","qa4d3e638e07d05f8ed96"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q78562c0a7f5188a5d0cd","summary_en":"him*** argues that overturning the verdict requires solid evidence."},{"message_id":"qa4d3e638e07d05f8ed96","summary_en":"him*** contends that this necessary evidence is held in the hands of fellow supporters."}]},{"title":"Ongoing Doubts Over Court Transcripts and 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judge."}]}],"summary":"讨论从情绪化立场转为程序法务拉锯，围绕“灭共/反共”政治叙事与“可执行的法律路径”两条路线分化。核心分歧是：二审是否会改观、853N/853I与remission能否并行、没收令窗口与受害者资格如何定、以及能否自诉。围绕“你懂法/谁有资格发言/谁可参与”形成门槛争执，“下级法院是否执行上级命令”“证据提交与来源”也反复冲突。多数讨论最终落在财产追回和败诉后补救，但仍有人坚持程序不服与翻案可行性并存。庭审记录、翻译与社媒传播信息质量差异，使身份与动机猜测抬头，群内分裂进一步扩大。","guide":[{"title":"“灭共/反共”动员叙事与以程序胜诉为核心的抗辩路径持续对立","message_ids":["q63004a515bde8fbb85fa","q936b5c5dd225948e32cb","q3d87db8f3700e14e65f2"]},{"title":"“你懂法”与发言资格争论升温，早期即出现对法律术语和当事身份的质疑","message_ids":["qada83f6631de79f6536f","q35e210a8744cda36fc72","q76f8cbbb46f0d84ffd29"]},{"title":"二审节奏与司法执行成为情绪节点，讨论围绕“进展是否停滞、何时入实质审查”","message_ids":["q1da7be83c4c2c04052b0","q225f5d8b162594d59c9e","qfcad7780c88e3f9b7299"]},{"title":"从853N到853I及remission，是否可并行/替代、门槛与顺序反复争辩","message_ids":["q51d6838ebc1a7e79ec48","q22493cc4fb9b5a685dda","qae6e8dcee3ba2e2efc8f"]},{"title":"没收令效力与补充问题反复拉扯：范围、可撤销性及“60天窗口”是否重开","message_ids":["q59f5d0802b4c1eb29088","q5d0327a6f4d40cadb8b4","q33e6739e62e61ce77a93"]},{"title":"受害者资格与“普通债权人化”拉开鸿沟，直接影响能否参与没收/赔偿流程","message_ids":["q24d1f034fe43a80979b1","q97954b991fa08209e0c6","q078c1ff798bbd7073845"]},{"title":"财产追回议题从有无资金转向具体流程：申请、排位、低回款预期与风控分歧","message_ids":["q554d806440ca368a203a","q2c39cfcc245a3ac158a3","qde59c346a9839f3f8202"]},{"title":"证据规则争论集中在“独立提交”“证据来源”与执行可行性之间的落差","message_ids":["q78562c0a7f5188a5d0cd","qa4d3e638e07d05f8ed96"]},{"title":"庭审记录、笔录与翻译可信度持续受疑，现场核验（旁听、在场人、发言人）被反复要求","message_ids":["q3cb8aaf22bcb27db0746","q54ed4f915ed541feb9c2","q7d79c5d4fcd3aff77e15"]},{"title":"自诉路径成为转折：有人强调可行性与必要性，另有成员质疑证据准备和律师介入不足","message_ids":["q7a2a49562ad31d3e1d1d","q3383b109c0bade5dcf57","q790f66076cffc6415dbf"]},{"title":"社媒链路与信息噪音扩大冲突，出现“黑料链接”与“身份/动机标签化”竞争","message_ids":["qf9905d9e8572bd662946","q037a4755b6ed8313e844","qeced5b7ae33279e0faaa"]},{"title":"家属参与与信息隔离被反复提及，涉及是否受限、是否受威胁及其诉权边界未明","message_ids":["q542f58db5a93d42347e0","q1e02527f4bf31165e125","qdd3a1c6409983d5ec20c"]},{"title":"法官构成与法庭关系争议推动“是否应更换法官/申请更高级救济”讨论升级","message_ids":["qe694e4d4c914d3d26c75","qaa60088b2bf56117bbc3","qeac45f695a5898bd9e87"]}],"closed":true,"is_finalized":true,"updated_at":"2026-09-06T18:44:14.213Z","notice":"这里汇集爆料革命参与者围绕郭文贵案的持续讨论，包括长期深度参与者及自述投入真金白银的投资者。他们分享亲历过程、资金投入与后续遭遇，并结合案卷展开追问、核对和观点交锋。这些来自事件内部的经验与细节，为理解事件经过和投资者处境提供了外部报道之外的重要视角。请结合具体发言判断其经历与依据，引用时保留发言者、时间和上下文。","content_type":"discussion_batch","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130/pages/2","base_batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-batches/batch-000130?page=2","page":2,"page_size":200,"total_pages":5,"has_more":true,"next_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-batches/batch-000130?page=3","prev_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-batches/batch-000130","messages":[{"id":"q4790a0c29d47268cba91","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":201,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-07-01T17:49:09.195Z","text":"remission当时是自己填写然后邮寄过去，给检察官和法庭各一份","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdf0f65c98c96633fa842","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4790a0c29d47268cba91","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdf0f65c98c96633fa842","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q35d1f58d9df085696ffd","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":202,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-07-01T17:49:42.748Z","text":"儿子拿了信徒的钱买兰博基尼","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q35d1f58d9df085696ffd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q8e3a891a34ae3d17d90e","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":203,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-07-01T17:49:52.744Z","text":"这种智商还需要别人坑","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8e3a891a34ae3d17d90e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qaae8f54c36faad96e24f","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":204,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-01T17:50:09.086Z","text":"那就只有等\n看检方通知\n分钱，remission顺位，排在破产案债权人和853n之后，基本分不到","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4790a0c29d47268cba91","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaae8f54c36faad96e24f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4790a0c29d47268cba91","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qe6dde7aeb9568ca15187","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":205,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-07-01T17:50:45.945Z","text":"你们对郭强拿你们的钱买兰博基尼有什么看法","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe6dde7aeb9568ca15187","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"h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现在终于有回报了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa883c5302c9039ed13a0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q22d5c42d85a0e8f84c2b","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":210,"speaker":"lon***","date":"2026-07-01T18:09:48.084Z","text":"联盟又把我踢了，只发了庭审记录","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q22d5c42d85a0e8f84c2b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q11b01b1c25beaff8d612","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":211,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-07-01T18:16:51.342Z","text":"所以说喜国人可怜啊 钱钱没了 官方群被踢","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q11b01b1c25beaff8d612","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q7cbc1a1461fa37b98f99","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":212,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-01T18:28:03.424Z","text":"这个啥意思？不是只有853n才可以打没收吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd28f1ec74db58ab899ef","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7cbc1a1461fa37b98f99","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd28f1ec74db58ab899ef","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qf4caee4d6a9af784bd66","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":213,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-01T18:28:55.193Z","text":"不是","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7cbc1a1461fa37b98f99","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf4caee4d6a9af784bd66","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7cbc1a1461fa37b98f99","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qfae85d964c2f1419a4f7","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":214,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-01T18:29:10.329Z","text":"你如果要要求作废没收令","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfae85d964c2f1419a4f7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qdf3a6795621deea8144d","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":215,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-01T18:29:18.705Z","text":"你凡是想要钱的就不行","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdf3a6795621deea8144d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q75fbc1813e4e8e2e1f5b","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":216,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-01T18:29:29.017Z","text":"因为853n standing 就是要钱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q75fbc1813e4e8e2e1f5b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qc7f3c7f8e074e3c9eb7c","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":217,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-01T18:29:51.882Z","text":"现在他开没收 给你钱了  你说 你不要了 这个法律上有问题的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc7f3c7f8e074e3c9eb7c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qcc38e7ff6eb3234c67ab","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":218,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-01T18:30:11.286Z","text":"除非你说 你不要钱 就像螺丝哥说的 你853也打程序问题","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcc38e7ff6eb3234c67ab","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qddb2c8fe171817a144ec","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":219,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-01T18:30:16.514Z","text":"那你可以要求作废没收","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qddb2c8fe171817a144ec","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q6baea4fcfb7e25af30ed","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":220,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-01T18:30:34.612Z","text":"哦，打作废没收853n不能打，我知道了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6baea4fcfb7e25af30ed","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q72fe66dab8e4ca3e48c0","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":221,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-01T18:30:37.182Z","text":"只有受害者可以打废没收令","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q72fe66dab8e4ca3e48c0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q21ebdcdab79cd56d1f74","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":222,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-01T18:30:41.629Z","text":"对","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6baea4fcfb7e25af30ed","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q21ebdcdab79cd56d1f74","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6baea4fcfb7e25af30ed","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q5c5e391531f2b94d77f9","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":223,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-01T18:30:59.601Z","text":"托雷斯这招小伎俩 分而治之 我给予高度评价","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5c5e391531f2b94d77f9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qdf7cd1ffb868f130b15a","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":224,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-01T18:31:05.765Z","text":"至少说明她不是智障","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdf7cd1ffb868f130b15a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q2866b5f7302e9ad276b0","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":225,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-01T18:32:04.969Z","text":"但她只是在战术上使劲 战略上依然大败","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2866b5f7302e9ad276b0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qbea68571f64c864f6f8c","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":226,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-01T18:32:26.485Z","text":"可是853n和CVRA是可以同时举张的，也不影响，只是有人坚持只选择了853n","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbea68571f64c864f6f8c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q128ee97bd7958b82becc","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":227,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-01T18:33:11.944Z","text":"所以你如果没用cvra 光853 打废没收 那standing有问题","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbea68571f64c864f6f8c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q128ee97bd7958b82becc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbea68571f64c864f6f8c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q45e2a2a5c5fff1a7dd28","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":228,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-01T18:34:23.361Z","text":"你对这笔钱的法律主张是：\n\n✔ 金钱不是给郭个人\n✔ 金钱目的明确（G/数字银行/农场）\n✔ 混入资产池\n✔ 被挪去其他地方\n✔ 造成损失\n\n= 最符合 constructive trust\n\nconstructive trust 的最强点是：\n\n权利优先于政府没收\n权利优先于债权人\n权利优先于破产法院\n权利优先于Luc","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q45e2a2a5c5fff1a7dd28","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qed59573e84de9746b716","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":229,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-01T18:34:58.143Z","text":"这个constructive trust 也算是853n吧？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qed59573e84de9746b716","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q0b66adff2d0b27fd42f1","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":230,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-01T18:35:02.170Z","text":"如果你用cvra打程序问题 853要钱 也不行 因为你打废没收就要不到钱了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0b66adff2d0b27fd42f1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qe694e4d4c914d3d26c75","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":231,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-01T18:40:52.779Z","text":"如果在地区法院法官接到上诉法院（巡回法院）的调卷令（Writ of Mandamus）后，仍拒绝履行指令（即“无视”或“反抗”），甚至在调卷令要求解决程序性障碍（如列入案卷、裁决回避动议）之前强行量刑，这在法律上属于极端的司法违规。这种情况会导致严重的法律后果。以下是您可以采取的应对策略：1. 立即向巡回法院申请“紧急禁止令” (Emergency Stay of Sentencing)这是最直接的救济手段。如果地区法院罔顾调卷令强行推进量刑，您必须：申请紧急暂停：向巡回法院提交一份针对量刑程序的“紧急暂停动议”（Emergency Motion for Stay of Sentencing）。  论点升级：您必须明确告知巡回法院，下级法院的法官不仅是在拖延，而且是在直接违反巡回法院已下达的法律指令（Contempt of Superior Court's Order）。  强调损害：指出若量刑一旦完成，将导致不可挽回的司法错误（Irreparable Procedural Harm），且量刑本身因程序缺失而失去正当性。  2. 对抗地区法院的司法“违抗”提交正式异议（Formal Objection to Proceeding）：在法庭上或通过书面形式，明确提出：“由于巡回法院已发布调卷令，且相关程序性先决条件（如受害者权利判定、回避动议）尚未解决，本庭当前进行量刑程序违反了更高级法院的指令。”确保记录在案：这是最关键的一步。无论法官当时如何回应，一定要确保这一抗议被记录在案（On the Record），这为您后续的正式上诉（Direct Appeal）提供了坚实的证据基础。3. 要求启动“蔑视法庭”程序当法官拒绝执行上级法院的命令时，巡回法院有权对该法官采取行动：指令执行（Enforcement Action）：巡回法院可以下达进一步的命令，明确指出该地区法院法官的行为已构成蔑视上级法院指令，并可责令其撤销违规行为或承担相应司法责任。更换法官（Reassignment）：如果法官表现出极度的偏见或对巡回法院命令的公然抗拒，巡回法院在处理此类情况时，往往会引用 28 U.S.C. § 455 并下令将案件发回给另一位不同的法官（Reassignment on Remand），以确保审理的公正性。  4. 上诉路径的彻底转化量刑无效主张：若量刑在巡回法院调卷令未得到满足的情况下强行执行，该判决本身即存在严重的程序缺陷。在随后的正式上诉中，这将成为攻击该判决的核心论点（即量刑程序在法律上是“Void”或“Procedurally Defective”的）。  司法不当行为投诉（Judicial Misconduct Complaint）：根据联邦司法程序，不仅可以采取诉讼手段，还可以向该巡回法院的“司法委员会”（Judicial Council）提交针对该法官的正式违规投诉。虽然这不会立即改变判决，但会启动对该法官是否适合继续审理该案的严肃调查。核心建议当走到这一步时，案件已经从“普通的民事/刑事争议”升级为“司法体系内部的权力对抗”。不要孤军奋战：如果地区法院出现公然违抗巡回法院指令的情况，说明案件性质已极其严重，强烈建议在此节点上审慎评估寻求专业的联邦上诉律师介入，因为这类涉及巡回法院与地区法院冲突的程序要求极高的法律技术标准。保持冷静，记录一切：法官的每一个违抗行为、每一次拒绝裁决，都是您日后推翻判决的法理基础。确保所有抗议都通过书面动议或法庭记录留存，不要口头表达不满而不落实到正式动议中。  特别提醒：巡回法院的尊严和权威直接取决于其调卷令是否被执行。历史上，绝大多数法官在接到调卷令后都会回归程序轨道；若发生公然违抗，巡回法院通常会采取非常强硬的纠偏手段。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe694e4d4c914d3d26c75","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qaa60088b2bf56117bbc3","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":232,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-01T18:42:06.919Z","text":"还要给南区写一个异议，对二巡要明确要求是启动启动“蔑视法庭”程序啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaa60088b2bf56117bbc3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qee252cc55084ae72db5b","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":233,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-01T18:45:38.332Z","text":"啥叫蔑视法庭程序","edited":false,"reply_to":"qaa60088b2bf56117bbc3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qee252cc55084ae72db5b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaa60088b2bf56117bbc3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qeac45f695a5898bd9e87","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":234,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-01T18:54:25.273Z","text":"AI说的 ，我理解要求的行动都是是一样，就是明确这个词，指令执行+更换法官","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeac45f695a5898bd9e87","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qcbe30032472b79d119f9","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":235,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-01T18:56:54.119Z","text":"给南区一个异议                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. 对抗地区法院的司法“违抗”提交正式异议（Formal Objection to Proceeding）：在法庭上或通过书面形式，明确提出：“由于巡回法院已发布调卷令，且相关程序性先决条件（如受害者权利判定、回避动议）尚未解决，本庭当前进行量刑程序违反了更高级法院的指令。”确保记录在案：这是最关键的一步。无论法官当时如何回应，一定要确保这一抗议被记录在案（On the Record），这为您后续的正式上诉（Direct Appeal）提供了坚实的证据基础。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcbe30032472b79d119f9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qfb4687f701aaac22f2e5","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":236,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-01T18:57:45.237Z","text":"不是已经让托雷斯回避了吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcbe30032472b79d119f9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfb4687f701aaac22f2e5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcbe30032472b79d119f9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qa4b1ad984673e10f91c3","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":237,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-01T18:57:53.036Z","text":"不用","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcbe30032472b79d119f9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa4b1ad984673e10f91c3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcbe30032472b79d119f9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qe57c24841a115aa1806e","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":238,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-01T18:57:58.494Z","text":"你二巡打的狠的多","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe57c24841a115aa1806e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q87740635a5d593512915","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":239,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-01T18:58:02.542Z","text":"这是量刑后提交异议吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q87740635a5d593512915","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q35b63085aed6e4b47f91","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":240,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-07-01T18:58:08.082Z","text":"二巡不搭理他们","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q35b63085aed6e4b47f91","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q7b464374c34adc633daa","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":241,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-01T18:58:24.276Z","text":"前就说过，后不用了吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7b464374c34adc633daa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q952921fac25cf51b5e55","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":242,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-01T18:58:44.483Z","text":"后直接二巡取消量刑了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q952921fac25cf51b5e55","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q444456f72d0d11d9d307","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":243,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-07-01T18:58:56.823Z","text":"打赌不","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q444456f72d0d11d9d307","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qb3ebeb9bb0462b6eb823","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":244,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-01T18:59:14.199Z","text":"这是不可能的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q35b63085aed6e4b47f91","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb3ebeb9bb0462b6eb823","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q35b63085aed6e4b47f91","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q7aafef2f03c09574a1d4","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":245,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-01T18:59:30.930Z","text":"所有南区的都不打了？包括反对没有赔偿直接remmisionr 的？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa4b1ad984673e10f91c3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7aafef2f03c09574a1d4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa4b1ad984673e10f91c3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q51d6838ebc1a7e79ec48","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":246,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-01T18:59:49.156Z","text":"各位， 除了853n无辜投资人， 针对托雷斯的859没收令，尤其是盖儿的6500人 应该下场了。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q51d6838ebc1a7e79ec48","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q009dfe0e38c71954db1d","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":247,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-01T19:00:19.122Z","text":"不知道要不要先南区走一下程序，意思对二巡说我们提交反对了，","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q009dfe0e38c71954db1d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q2fd8302c87f1869a19dd","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":248,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-07-01T19:00:32.825Z","text":"按你的说法 二巡就能结束了 都不需要去最高法","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb3ebeb9bb0462b6eb823","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2fd8302c87f1869a19dd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb3ebeb9bb0462b6eb823","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q38152c3de678106483c8","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":249,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-01T19:00:36.782Z","text":"根本不用","edited":false,"reply_to":"q009dfe0e38c71954db1d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q38152c3de678106483c8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q009dfe0e38c71954db1d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qcf9cc1bcd5843e1aa899","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":250,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-01T19:00:43.420Z","text":"是的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf9cc1bcd5843e1aa899","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q71b1b402446be9522763","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":251,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-01T19:01:46.641Z","text":"859还是不能下载吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q71b1b402446be9522763","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qd3eb6bea560476e7f9fa","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":252,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-01T19:02:36.961Z","text":"859","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd3eb6bea560476e7f9fa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q66c94f44f9882959bec8","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":253,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-01T19:02:37.107Z","text":"盖尔6000人 被骗了🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":"q51d6838ebc1a7e79ec48","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q66c94f44f9882959bec8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q51d6838ebc1a7e79ec48","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q28e77f5332ac2688421d","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":254,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-07-01T19:04:13.057Z","text":"赢麻了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q28e77f5332ac2688421d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q993f5c9d4e1cae3c71e7","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":255,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-01T19:05:00.689Z","text":"可庭审的时候托雷斯他们是853I - 减免， 不对对？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q66c94f44f9882959bec8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q993f5c9d4e1cae3c71e7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q66c94f44f9882959bec8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qb6aa4f81b607b486ea82","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":256,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-01T19:05:23.753Z","text":"不是","edited":false,"reply_to":"q993f5c9d4e1cae3c71e7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb6aa4f81b607b486ea82","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q993f5c9d4e1cae3c71e7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q1359660036bc7d6b1860","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":257,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-01T19:05:26.949Z","text":"补充初步没收令","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1359660036bc7d6b1860","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qa5642752cb423496a0e1","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":258,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-01T19:05:29.236Z","text":"是853n","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa5642752cb423496a0e1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q4a400012a21e46408c48","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":259,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-01T19:05:39.482Z","text":"如果判输 则853i","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4a400012a21e46408c48","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q5d0327a6f4d40cadb8b4","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":260,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-01T19:05:59.952Z","text":"意思是还没判？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4a400012a21e46408c48","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d0327a6f4d40cadb8b4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4a400012a21e46408c48","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q3ee6141e9b2ad0a8ab65","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":261,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-01T19:06:05.532Z","text":"对啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5d0327a6f4d40cadb8b4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3ee6141e9b2ad0a8ab65","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d0327a6f4d40cadb8b4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q7c2eb5ca8dd0643003a0","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":262,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-01T19:06:12.830Z","text":"要一份一份动议上去","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7c2eb5ca8dd0643003a0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q19b13d0515c36699cd6a","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":263,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-01T19:06:17.133Z","text":"法官要判","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q19b13d0515c36699cd6a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q6a25d1fbcb6937268348","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":264,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-01T19:06:35.552Z","text":"我怎么好像听托雷斯说是853i 呢","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6a25d1fbcb6937268348","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qeaaf5b048b235e69feff","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":265,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-01T19:06:46.007Z","text":"恩？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6a25d1fbcb6937268348","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeaaf5b048b235e69feff","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6a25d1fbcb6937268348","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q47f1b1393a064affbc78","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":266,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-01T19:06:48.304Z","text":"再查查","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q47f1b1393a064affbc78","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qd36d67974ffee26ae3cd","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":267,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-01T19:07:06.797Z","text":"有了初步没收令，853n的窗口是不是又开了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1359660036bc7d6b1860","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd36d67974ffee26ae3cd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1359660036bc7d6b1860","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q889aa901c38d2e009ae6","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":268,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-01T19:07:43.234Z","text":"是的吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd36d67974ffee26ae3cd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q889aa901c38d2e009ae6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd36d67974ffee26ae3cd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q8f0e46909da8d1169db2","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":269,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-01T19:07:47.947Z","text":"反正629庭审那天有这个印象","edited":false,"reply_to":"q47f1b1393a064affbc78","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8f0e46909da8d1169db2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q47f1b1393a064affbc78","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q061d27d9d4bf108a142d","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":270,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-01T19:09:09.926Z","text":"她说的853n延后处理啊，没说853i吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6a25d1fbcb6937268348","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q061d27d9d4bf108a142d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6a25d1fbcb6937268348","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qbac0dfea3fa65165b8c5","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":271,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-01T19:09:22.612Z","text":"是","edited":false,"reply_to":"q061d27d9d4bf108a142d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbac0dfea3fa65165b8c5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q061d27d9d4bf108a142d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q494dca1d1b3915c4fd84","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":272,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-01T19:10:23.151Z","text":"是的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd36d67974ffee26ae3cd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q494dca1d1b3915c4fd84","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd36d67974ffee26ae3cd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q7b2ad43b037fd8736090","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":273,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-01T19:10:58.015Z","text":"盖尔提了853n 不行就853i\n但他耍心机 因为他集体代理的853n无效\n并且青给的853n表，是假的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8f0e46909da8d1169db2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7b2ad43b037fd8736090","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8f0e46909da8d1169db2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q6527e6c9111dd059a85e","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":274,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-01T19:12:23.394Z","text":"60天窗口又打开了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6527e6c9111dd059a85e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q15e2e4bafb7a73950e64","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":275,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-01T19:12:35.582Z","text":"[删节：成员身份]  所有大陆投资者 都可以引用tony的中国法庭文件，所有美国没收的钱都是由中国法律定义的资助危害国家安全罪。 一旦法庭拒绝你的853n 转853i 那么美国政府就没收了中国政府的钱。 托雷斯没有权限这么做！！！！ 这是卢比奥的职权！","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q15e2e4bafb7a73950e64","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qe69f745e0b9aa255b254","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":276,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-01T19:13:31.904Z","text":"［用户 rod***］ 853n可以登记\n之前登记的remission，可以学螺丝哥，给南区发动议，取消","edited":true,"reply_to":"q6527e6c9111dd059a85e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe69f745e0b9aa255b254","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6527e6c9111dd059a85e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qf691df344cdd8d8915cf","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":277,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-07-01T19:13:47.223Z","text":"要不要钱 要钱就不写了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf691df344cdd8d8915cf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qedded52a9a083765711d","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":278,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-07-01T19:14:23.435Z","text":"那你写","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qedded52a9a083765711d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q9caa5ef33b6627514c94","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":279,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-01T19:21:17.468Z","text":"这次请愿书就不能写程序问题了吧？因为已经量刑了？ ［用户 kir***］","edited":true,"reply_to":"qe69f745e0b9aa255b254","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9caa5ef33b6627514c94","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe69f745e0b9aa255b254","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qdc0c7bdb42de0db40651","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":280,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-01T19:22:25.285Z","text":"用不着写","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9caa5ef33b6627514c94","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdc0c7bdb42de0db40651","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9caa5ef33b6627514c94","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qa3687700a6005816bba9","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":281,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-01T19:24:23.346Z","text":"倒是luc应该要出场了吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa3687700a6005816bba9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q4e25dc7ae83a2edd0005","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":282,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-01T19:24:33.241Z","text":"毕竟涉及没收","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4e25dc7ae83a2edd0005","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qbcfc7733097269bc3e11","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":283,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-01T19:24:51.567Z","text":"盖尔可能也要出来","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbcfc7733097269bc3e11","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q54111cb8e6df874863c9","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":284,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-01T19:28:26.259Z","text":"这次写就是纯要钱？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdc0c7bdb42de0db40651","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q54111cb8e6df874863c9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdc0c7bdb42de0db40651","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q9ee7dceabeec87e32510","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":285,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-01T19:28:31.879Z","text":"对","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ee7dceabeec87e32510","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q95b92733eed6f45d6ad6","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":286,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-01T19:28:35.078Z","text":"要么法庭给你钱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q95b92733eed6f45d6ad6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q4adbe5c439d7343594cf","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":287,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-01T19:28:46.544Z","text":"要么不给你钱 不给你钱他就承认他没收了中国政府的钱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4adbe5c439d7343594cf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q1f98e7ed0d8afc255783","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":288,"speaker":"lon***","date":"2026-07-01T19:30:30.677Z","text":"以赔偿申请人的方式","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1f98e7ed0d8afc255783","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q5d7a9bcdcef4f0caa7d3","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":289,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-01T19:30:48.555Z","text":"他这个身份的定位是对财产主张权益的人，这个只包括853n？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d7a9bcdcef4f0caa7d3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q9795dc24c18264f4908d","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":290,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-01T19:32:46.152Z","text":"对","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5d7a9bcdcef4f0caa7d3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9795dc24c18264f4908d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d7a9bcdcef4f0caa7d3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qf953c4dd50983d9e6c26","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":291,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-01T19:33:39.970Z","text":"https://x.com/ruienxiaoge3/status/2072403011889135700?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf953c4dd50983d9e6c26","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q62260ff4264e7c8ee2b8","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":292,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-01T19:35:42.748Z","text":"[删节：成员身份]  凡是大陆投资的 你们的钱都可以要回来！","edited":true,"reply_to":"qf953c4dd50983d9e6c26","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q62260ff4264e7c8ee2b8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf953c4dd50983d9e6c26","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q81be7f14270d0416fcc1","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":293,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-01T19:41:11.536Z","text":"大陆的人该怎么操作， 请指导一下。另外， 如果他们的钱被农场负责人贪了呢？根本就没有入帐 或者证明","edited":false,"reply_to":"q62260ff4264e7c8ee2b8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q81be7f14270d0416fcc1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q62260ff4264e7c8ee2b8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q3881a02352620de47599","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":294,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-01T19:41:33.087Z","text":"这个不知道","edited":false,"reply_to":"q81be7f14270d0416fcc1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3881a02352620de47599","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q81be7f14270d0416fcc1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q5f224b6a0dcb6732c346","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":295,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-01T19:41:41.065Z","text":"但你觉得在资金池里面你就可以申诉","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f224b6a0dcb6732c346","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q9300df297b21e3ee2217","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":296,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-01T19:41:46.206Z","text":"让法庭裁决","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9300df297b21e3ee2217","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q3ef04a73a06f7cdf8e9a","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":297,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-07-01T19:43:08.495Z","text":"不是推翻案子钱就回来了吗 怎么又去搞钱了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3ef04a73a06f7cdf8e9a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qb1cc48b5024ef7e7b93b","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":298,"speaker":"ken***","date":"2026-07-01T19:43:19.650Z","text":"怎么写申诉？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb1cc48b5024ef7e7b93b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q46cdd8181f9a788daff3","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":299,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-01T19:43:56.324Z","text":"看法庭文件 其他人怎么写的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb1cc48b5024ef7e7b93b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q46cdd8181f9a788daff3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb1cc48b5024ef7e7b93b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q0ee0cd0c8fa4a5e503f1","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":300,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-01T19:44:04.898Z","text":"写853动议","edited":false,"reply_to":"q81be7f14270d0416fcc1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0ee0cd0c8fa4a5e503f1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q81be7f14270d0416fcc1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q1348f9f88b523146fe22","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":301,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-01T19:49:15.777Z","text":"copy之前docket的853n","edited":false,"reply_to":"q81be7f14270d0416fcc1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1348f9f88b523146fe22","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q81be7f14270d0416fcc1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q7a29f7537c5248891f5e","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":302,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-01T19:49:45.667Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息]","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7a29f7537c5248891f5e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q8d48bb033f2dcf2937fb","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":303,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-01T19:51:41.843Z","text":"这个是用资金申请的形式写吗？引用Tony的内容用来说明什么？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5f224b6a0dcb6732c346","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8d48bb033f2dcf2937fb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f224b6a0dcb6732c346","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q633895b279c5653b2aa8","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":304,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-01T19:51:48.833Z","text":"我觉得托雷斯有大麻烦： 大陆这些人一拥而上，老郭的犯罪资金池子空了， 全都是853n，也就是说0 犯罪资金， 也就没有了犯罪！😂","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q633895b279c5653b2aa8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qe8bc45d7b606156b7df6","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":305,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-01T19:51:57.553Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息]","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe8bc45d7b606156b7df6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q491ecd426fd97a963903","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":306,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-01T19:52:12.246Z","text":"对","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8d48bb033f2dcf2937fb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q491ecd426fd97a963903","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8d48bb033f2dcf2937fb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q8b25af2843d033c5fd8b","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":307,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-01T19:52:31.081Z","text":"用tony 说明 要么给老子钱 不给老子钱 你就是在没收中国政府的钱","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8d48bb033f2dcf2937fb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8b25af2843d033c5fd8b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8d48bb033f2dcf2937fb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qceb8bb5da125ad6ec98a","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":308,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-01T19:52:40.333Z","text":"因为这钱是中国的，所以必须退给我？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q491ecd426fd97a963903","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qceb8bb5da125ad6ec98a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q491ecd426fd97a963903","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q3c4188983e35f7bf4f15","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":309,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-01T19:52:48.022Z","text":"对！","edited":false,"reply_to":"qceb8bb5da125ad6ec98a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3c4188983e35f7bf4f15","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qceb8bb5da125ad6ec98a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qc63929b9865d7abf4ef0","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":310,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-01T19:53:04.833Z","text":"美国法院无权没收中国政府的钱","edited":false,"reply_to":"qceb8bb5da125ad6ec98a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc63929b9865d7abf4ef0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qceb8bb5da125ad6ec98a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qf75fd98479875e7ec6bc","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":311,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-01T19:53:09.841Z","text":"你得走外交渠道","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf75fd98479875e7ec6bc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q79630ea8e7c4ed1be6e9","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":312,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-01T19:53:13.547Z","text":"找卢比奥","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q79630ea8e7c4ed1be6e9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qfdd1269596eb12a902aa","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":313,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-01T19:53:16.843Z","text":"中国的钱就不能算诈骗资金？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfdd1269596eb12a902aa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q051b813252d3dc778e17","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":314,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-01T19:54:15.621Z","text":"这是给重申或者上诉 做准备","edited":false,"reply_to":"q633895b279c5653b2aa8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q051b813252d3dc778e17","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q633895b279c5653b2aa8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qee1bc236cb5b0cf0bb15","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":315,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-01T19:54:18.062Z","text":"[删节：成员身份] 你们上了强制令的853 甚至问问机器人可不可以和法院做交易 你给我钱 我的standing就没了 我自己mandamus就moot了","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qee1bc236cb5b0cf0bb15","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q0698c3460fc41fa1f149","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":316,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-07-01T19:56:49.958Z","text":"我也想问下税有这个最新的公共","edited":false,"reply_to":"q69172948260f251066a9","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0698c3460fc41fa1f149","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q33e6739e62e61ce77a93","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":317,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-07-01T20:02:41.259Z","text":"没有说又打开吧，我看858那份文件说的是去年的那份公告","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6527e6c9111dd059a85e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q33e6739e62e61ce77a93","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6527e6c9111dd059a85e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q88c8e9eefe5c643dc3ca","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":318,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-01T20:03:52.234Z","text":"还不知道","edited":false,"reply_to":"q33e6739e62e61ce77a93","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q88c8e9eefe5c643dc3ca","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q33e6739e62e61ce77a93","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q08499ba6590718682b85","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":319,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-07-01T20:04:38.483Z","text":"我查了查, 只是根据去年的公告坐补充把13亿改成8,8亿，窗口并没有重新打开","edited":false,"reply_to":"q88c8e9eefe5c643dc3ca","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q08499ba6590718682b85","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q88c8e9eefe5c643dc3ca","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qb74ba6eb61c305e36a22","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":320,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-01T20:19:00.936Z","text":"托雷斯不会给任何853N通过，别幻想了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q633895b279c5653b2aa8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb74ba6eb61c305e36a22","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q633895b279c5653b2aa8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qea3e5251cc764af9e133","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":321,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-01T20:22:44.028Z","text":"很现实的， 如果她给我的853n过了， 那么像我这样的 Gclub 借款 数字银行 Hcoin 等的钱必须是一个待遇","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea3e5251cc764af9e133","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qcd3df370f61e8723a43b","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":322,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-07-01T20:36:59.689Z","text":"[删节：成员身份]  如果法官下达的是初步没收令，想用853n条款介入案件的，还要等待检方在网站上发布没收通告，从没收通告发布那一刻，有60天的时间是853n无辜第三方申诉期！","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcd3df370f61e8723a43b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qa79fa79bea7482dbee92","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":323,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-01T20:37:16.503Z","text":"还是要简短。                                                                           简洁至上：\n二巡法官非常忙碌，法律动议应控制在 5-10 页内。重点在于：“法院错在哪里？”（没走程序）和 “这有什么后果？”（导致合法受害者资产被非法没收）。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa79fa79bea7482dbee92","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qda0cda3bf52ad1b463fc","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":324,"speaker":"gin***","date":"2026-07-01T20:57:44.941Z","text":"像我这样之前啥表都没填过的在法院没任何个人信息存档的能申请吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qda0cda3bf52ad1b463fc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q5dff58bc88fae95d4e1f","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":325,"speaker":"gin***","date":"2026-07-01T21:06:08.359Z","text":"好像听懂了。又没听懂。我以受害人申请可以不走853。以853等检方发布公告。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5dff58bc88fae95d4e1f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q77b8d0d56dee19b18757","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":326,"speaker":"gin***","date":"2026-07-01T21:06:48.200Z","text":"那么这时候要个人的钱对老郭翻案有冲突吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q77b8d0d56dee19b18757","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qc7c07beda029b39dd283","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":327,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-07-01T21:11:11.477Z","text":"第三方没有翻案的资格","edited":false,"reply_to":"q77b8d0d56dee19b18757","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc7c07beda029b39dd283","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q77b8d0d56dee19b18757","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qd562fb52d44f41a98b75","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":328,"speaker":"gin***","date":"2026-07-01T21:14:38.049Z","text":"629已经过去两天了，二巡啥动静也没有呢","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd562fb52d44f41a98b75","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q4e925d3522159b44fc6b","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":329,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-07-01T21:15:57.296Z","text":"第二巡回法院不会有什么动作，最多过一阵子把要求暂停量刑的驳回，说没有实际意义了，已经判刑了！","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd562fb52d44f41a98b75","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4e925d3522159b44fc6b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd562fb52d44f41a98b75","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q1e217d8557fb8a1b0be5","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":330,"speaker":"gin***","date":"2026-07-01T21:16:02.385Z","text":"那么受害人身份是检方的受害人还是老郭的受害者？我不承认我是老郭的受害者呀","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1e217d8557fb8a1b0be5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q0cad19d5e98e50319837","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":331,"speaker":"gin***","date":"2026-07-01T21:18:02.159Z","text":"不急。再说了，老郭也得上诉的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfd3a3e4fea827b3d5885","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0cad19d5e98e50319837","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q760dcda0166ff9692882","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":332,"speaker":"gin***","date":"2026-07-01T21:23:02.595Z","text":"咱能好好说话吗？别总是急赤白脸的行吗？我确实新来的，啥也不明白。我来这的目的是想和你们一起做点啥尽量帮上点小忙给老郭翻案。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5bb5f2df6db3b3fef8f1","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q760dcda0166ff9692882","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qace40270bd00093dfc5e","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":333,"speaker":"gin***","date":"2026-07-01T21:26:54.239Z","text":"不是这么回事。我的意思是我是小白，啥还都没明白呢。我得一点点明白。你急赤白脸的说话，让人发懵","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8f427693f0f599d257b5","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qace40270bd00093dfc5e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q4d8755e58e4765f247bf","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":334,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-01T21:33:34.691Z","text":"现在只有在量刑前上了二巡的，可以有资格在二巡说话要求撤销量刑换法官，你们什么都没有提交过的，只能像我上面发的 :1，提交对托雷斯量刑的异议，2，在二巡司法部委员会投诉托雷斯","edited":false,"reply_to":"q760dcda0166ff9692882","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4d8755e58e4765f247bf","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q760dcda0166ff9692882","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q12f5e1ac67d136fec4b6","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":335,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-01T21:33:53.091Z","text":"那这句话什么意思","edited":false,"reply_to":"q08499ba6590718682b85","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q12f5e1ac67d136fec4b6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q08499ba6590718682b85","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q3e8dce0fe62ec1d834b5","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":336,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-01T21:37:39.775Z","text":"现在跟第一次不一样了，第一次还能提一下程序问题，现在已经量刑了，这是对追加特定资产的申请，这次应该是纯粹提要钱了吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc7c07beda029b39dd283","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3e8dce0fe62ec1d834b5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc7c07beda029b39dd283","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q91400d8d464380f8eb94","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":337,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-07-01T21:37:49.508Z","text":"你们仔细看看，这是不是新的重新走一遍853n六十天的命令。 [删节：成员身份]","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q91400d8d464380f8eb94","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q44433ef4bba3605d953e","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":338,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-07-01T21:37:52.579Z","text":"说的是去年的公告","edited":false,"reply_to":"q12f5e1ac67d136fec4b6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q44433ef4bba3605d953e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q12f5e1ac67d136fec4b6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q808f8600a1e8cefd89a8","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":339,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-07-01T21:38:16.716Z","text":"当时我们要不提交pro se要不remission，或者2个都提交了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q808f8600a1e8cefd89a8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q5f1e4334779d548792ed","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":340,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-01T21:38:22.362Z","text":"从哪看出来是去年的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q44433ef4bba3605d953e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f1e4334779d548792ed","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q44433ef4bba3605d953e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qab571695627a7c9497ce","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":341,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-01T21:38:59.201Z","text":"那不就是除被告外的853N 提交财产主张吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"q12f5e1ac67d136fec4b6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qab571695627a7c9497ce","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q12f5e1ac67d136fec4b6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q3c9b5a528d719983bcff","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":342,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-07-01T21:39:59.665Z","text":"开头这里就说了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3c9b5a528d719983bcff","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qaf908d0d568cc5dce262","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":343,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-01T21:40:57.932Z","text":"就是追加没收的这些，你认为你的财产在这里面的，检方应该有提供没收的银行帐号，","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaf908d0d568cc5dce262","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q7e68fb313ad8e8373fda","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":344,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-01T21:41:58.529Z","text":"你这是859吗？怎么没找到这段","edited":false,"reply_to":"q35a1d4c196afa0e4d7df","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7e68fb313ad8e8373fda","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qb03f66a85b7c4c751380","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":345,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-07-01T21:42:11.336Z","text":"858","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7e68fb313ad8e8373fda","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb03f66a85b7c4c751380","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7e68fb313ad8e8373fda","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qb621a080ff99b16ecd51","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":346,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-01T21:42:16.639Z","text":"你这是写给法官的，不是法庭令","edited":false,"reply_to":"q35a1d4c196afa0e4d7df","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb621a080ff99b16ecd51","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q203fa9eeb726e4760b8c","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":347,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-07-01T21:42:17.511Z","text":"第一页","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q203fa9eeb726e4760b8c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q02ecdf51f8887581d0a9","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":348,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-01T21:42:37.449Z","text":"扯858干嘛，去看法庭令啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q02ecdf51f8887581d0a9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q2701eb177c4a38783ee3","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":349,"speaker":"gin***","date":"2026-07-01T21:43:27.732Z","text":"[删节：成员身份]几断语言听下来，我明白了目前最紧要的是接受目前的法律框架，也只能接受。因为这是法律必须尊重。其次在此基础之上找翻案的通道","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2701eb177c4a38783ee3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qddc1e2e5c5e3516c0aa6","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":350,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-01T21:44:18.937Z","text":"法庭令是针对这次追加特定财产","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qddc1e2e5c5e3516c0aa6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qb4cf4ccbe6c9006510f9","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":351,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-01T21:45:28.169Z","text":"根据文件“859.pdf”，**“追加特定财产”**（Additional Specific Property）具体指的是以下 5 项被政府扣押或寻求没收的资产：\n * **a. G Club 运营账户资金**：曾存放在以“G Club Operations LLC”名义开立的 Popular 银行（Banco Popular）运营账户中的所有资金，其中包括 Popular 银行从该账户提取的约 **2,112,510.70 美元**现金。该笔资金当时被用来开具一张编号为 103130500012442、日期为 2023 年 10 月 16 日、收款人为“G Club Operations LLC”的官方支票，目前由美国政府扣押。\n * **b. Kin Ming Je 名下的巴克莱银行账户资金（IOM）**：曾存放在以“Kin Ming Je”名义开立的巴克莱银行（Barclays Bank plc (IOM)）账户（账号：GB61BARC20268062461744）中的所有款项和资金，由美国联邦调查局（FBI）根据扣押令于 2024 年 10 月 29 日左右扣押。\n * **c. Sin Ting Rong 名下的巴克莱银行账户资金（IOM）**：曾存放在以“Sin Ting Rong”名义开立的巴克莱银行（Barclays Bank plc (IOM)）账户（账号：GB86BARC20268184646277）中的所有款项和资金，由联邦调查局（FBI）根据扣押令于 2024 年 10 月 29 日左右扣押。\n * **d. Kin Ming Je 名下的巴克莱银行投资组合账户资金（Jersey）**：曾存放在以“Kin Ming Je”名义开立的巴克莱银行（Barclays Bank plc (Jersey)）投资组合账户（账号：96172701）中的所有款项和资金，由联邦调查局（FBI）根据扣押令于 2025 年 4 月 17 日左右扣押。\n * **e. Sin Ting Rong 名下的巴克莱银行投资组合账户资金（Jersey）**：曾存放在以“Sin Ting Rong”名义开立的巴克莱银行（Barclays Bank plc (Jersey)）投资组合账户（账号：96195503）中的所有款项和资金，由美国政府于 2025 年 4 月 17 日左右扣押。\n这些资产被法院认定为被告实施相关犯罪（如电汇诈骗、证券诈骗、勒索串谋等）所产生的收益，或涉及洗钱犯罪的财产。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb4cf4ccbe6c9006510f9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q644699621c2bbd3fd351","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":352,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-07-01T21:46:08.055Z","text":"最新的只是针对这5个账户的开放","edited":false,"reply_to":"qddc1e2e5c5e3516c0aa6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q644699621c2bbd3fd351","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qddc1e2e5c5e3516c0aa6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qae6e8dcee3ba2e2efc8f","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":353,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-01T21:46:25.490Z","text":"不用纠结是谁的受害者，你只是需要受害者的身份打检方，打法官，","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2701eb177c4a38783ee3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qae6e8dcee3ba2e2efc8f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2701eb177c4a38783ee3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qca8cadb3394ba84f1ede","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":354,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-01T21:47:06.742Z","text":"问题是我的钱被扣押了，我不知道我的钱是否在这次的钱里，检方没有做核对，要么让检方证明我的不在里面，要么就退我钱","edited":false,"reply_to":"q644699621c2bbd3fd351","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qca8cadb3394ba84f1ede","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q644699621c2bbd3fd351","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qb49be8d43b13fc1faca8","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":355,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-01T21:47:57.590Z","text":"既然有余建明的钱，那就是有喜交所的钱，我的钱很可能就在里面","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb49be8d43b13fc1faca8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q28d992cc858aff0360e6","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":356,"speaker":"gin***","date":"2026-07-01T21:48:00.662Z","text":"明白了谢谢","edited":false,"reply_to":"qae6e8dcee3ba2e2efc8f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q28d992cc858aff0360e6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qae6e8dcee3ba2e2efc8f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q3e22d5055d8a8ca2938c","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":357,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-07-01T21:48:09.660Z","text":"问题是这个很难证明，我们去年很多853提交的时候也是这种情况","edited":false,"reply_to":"qca8cadb3394ba84f1ede","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3e22d5055d8a8ca2938c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qca8cadb3394ba84f1ede","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q8a0030e574ead290b547","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":358,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-01T21:48:29.758Z","text":"这个不需要咱们证明，是检方证明，我只需要证明我是投资人，我的钱被扣押了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3e22d5055d8a8ca2938c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8a0030e574ead290b547","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3e22d5055d8a8ca2938c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qf668091c5c553d0b49d7","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":359,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-07-01T21:48:59.280Z","text":"是的，只有他们有能力去查","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf668091c5c553d0b49d7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q57081b8ff481e08ebe28","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":360,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-01T21:49:10.981Z","text":"钱的来龙去脉应该检方去调查","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q57081b8ff481e08ebe28","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q8d8cc19005fd413ae975","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":361,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-01T21:49:27.152Z","text":"你既然扣了，就得拿出证据","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8d8cc19005fd413ae975","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q7cbf1b2ac0461e4b0e12","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":362,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-01T21:49:37.423Z","text":"拿不出来就是非法扣押","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7cbf1b2ac0461e4b0e12","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q5f280187778e637d724d","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":363,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-07-01T21:52:17.569Z","text":"这个我去年打电话问了，853你上法庭是要你自己证明的，remission就等于你是受害者，这个检方会查的，因为冻结的钱交到了司法部那里","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8a0030e574ead290b547","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f280187778e637d724d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8a0030e574ead290b547","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q3a5f2bfa80ae63f674d3","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":364,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-07-01T21:53:38.777Z","text":"[删节：成员身份]，这里说的没错的，我刚好想起去年和几个找律师的受害者聊的，还有打电话给冻结财产公告的那个部门也问了这方面","edited":true,"reply_to":"qa6c4a537026be0975d5e","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3a5f2bfa80ae63f674d3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q3b32f26949cca2d96368","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":365,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-07-01T21:55:45.526Z","text":"当时那位找律师自诉的就和我说过，853是要你自己有明确的汇款记录，要能证明你的钱直接汇到他们公告里的账户. 要不然还是走remission吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3b32f26949cca2d96368","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q4f0db3db271c754fd08b","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":366,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-07-01T21:56:01.928Z","text":"要不然肯定被否的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f0db3db271c754fd08b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q19a572a3c023efb3af1a","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":367,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-01T21:57:26.414Z","text":"二巡不会2个月还不给我们裁决吧，二巡不支持我们的诉求，现在是不敢想像，那二巡不就成了个吉祥物了吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q19a572a3c023efb3af1a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q7816a53e10975a93147b","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":368,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-01T21:57:51.501Z","text":"那也得集体上冲高院啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7816a53e10975a93147b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q4a19646419c077c3192b","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":369,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-07-01T22:00:06.838Z","text":"我懂你什么意思了，853在法院和检方不是无辜的，法院和检方已经认定了只有无辜受害者，就是找司法部file petition remission的.","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd5f30d892dc7f1d0620a","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4a19646419c077c3192b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q3623aeda545855cc521e","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":370,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-01T22:00:22.062Z","text":"853n拿钱，托雷斯能给的话，检方没有一分钱剩下了还要倒贴，怎么可能","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3623aeda545855cc521e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qb72486708054cfaf78ee","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":371,"speaker":"gin***","date":"2026-07-01T22:00:58.689Z","text":"不用853，用什么","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb72486708054cfaf78ee","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q76c1d3ce9f987b7d8e38","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":372,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-07-01T22:02:08.719Z","text":"https://x.com/baoliaogeming/status/2072440515455529085?s=20","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q76c1d3ce9f987b7d8e38","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q6921327f416ad2f450fb","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":373,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-07-01T22:04:17.857Z","text":"remission","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb72486708054cfaf78ee","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6921327f416ad2f450fb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb72486708054cfaf78ee","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q4f761e7bddd717a4300e","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":374,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-01T22:05:46.954Z","text":"受害者也可以主张权益啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"qab571695627a7c9497ce","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f761e7bddd717a4300e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qab571695627a7c9497ce","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qad27f8266b796aa6551d","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":375,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-07-01T22:06:14.327Z","text":"这个remission,是找检方直接登记，不需要介入刑事案件到法庭文件里面！","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6921327f416ad2f450fb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qad27f8266b796aa6551d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6921327f416ad2f450fb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q4270b07a0bfded03fa4d","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":376,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-07-01T22:06:37.795Z","text":"858 這是法官的實質裁決書。主要用來解決郭文貴對沒收令提出的抗辯。法官在這份文件裡把郭文貴個人的金錢判決修正為 8.89 億美元，並正式定調「本案不走直接刑事賠償（Restitution），定案後全面授權走 Remission（行政減免） 程序來補償受害者」。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4270b07a0bfded03fa4d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qc13355855e58fd086bc5","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":377,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-07-01T22:06:51.898Z","text":"比如，如果卢克去remission,直接找检方就行，证明是看不到的！","edited":false,"reply_to":"qad27f8266b796aa6551d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc13355855e58fd086bc5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qad27f8266b796aa6551d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q549f28100c2d15c0f36c","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":378,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2026-07-01T22:07:44.138Z","text":"是的，就是去年那个网站，或者邮寄到去年那个公告的地址","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc13355855e58fd086bc5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q549f28100c2d15c0f36c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc13355855e58fd086bc5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qd60b31fb728c61d971dc","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":379,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-01T22:07:48.933Z","text":"这个是检方没收通道啊，只有853n和remmison 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给他们传票，作证。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q639eee4d9d695dec57a7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf47858f2bb4901d70515","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q639eee4d9d695dec57a7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qeaccf7c85a804e60581f","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":400,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-07-01T23:40:39.210Z","text":"由于gclub 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