{"id":"batch-000130","number":130,"revision":1,"date_start":"2026-07-01T11:26:49.324Z","date_end":"2026-07-03T02:26:05.303Z","total_messages":1000,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 130 (Jul 1, 2026 – Jul 3, 2026), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. From July 1 to July 3, 2026, participants divided between political-mobilization framing and procedural litigation strategy. The crowd disputed whether a second-circuit stage could alter the result, whether 853N, 853I, and CVRA/remission claims could be layered, and whether a forfeiture order and victim status could be reopened or challenged. They also argued over private-prosecution practicality and judge-control remedies linked to a Writ of Mandamus, with 853n/859/858/629 references used as case shorthand, not verified court conclusions. Community statements, not court findings.","guide_en":[{"title":"The \"eradicate communism/anti-communism\" mobilization narrative versus a procedural-win legal defense remained in conflict","description":"Participants contended the discussion shifted between ideological mobilization and a court-focused procedural defense, with different members treating legal tactics as either central or secondary to the political frame. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q63004a515bde8fbb85fa","q936b5c5dd225948e32cb","q3d87db8f3700e14e65f2"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q63004a515bde8fbb85fa","summary_en":"One participant argued the anti-communist objective was already largely achieved and described sensitive information as intelligence not meant for ordinary people, reinforcing an ideological narrative over routine legal framing. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q936b5c5dd225948e32cb","summary_en":"Another participant claimed the perceived goal depended on motive: if the conduct was real fraud, money was at issue, but if false, the effort was to reverse the case. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q3d87db8f3700e14e65f2","summary_en":"A participant praised the depth and planning of the group operations, suggesting a deliberate campaign architecture behind the discourse. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"The \"do you know the law\" and speaking-rights dispute escalated, with early skepticism toward legal terminology and party status","description":"Participants disputed who could legitimately speak on legal matters, and those conflicts were expressed through sarcasm, status challenges, and counter-claims about authority. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qada83f6631de79f6536f","q35e210a8744cda36fc72","q76f8cbbb46f0d84ffd29"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qada83f6631de79f6536f","summary_en":"One participant argued that legal arguments and appeals mattered less than divine alignment, rejecting procedural discussion as secondary. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q35e210a8744cda36fc72","summary_en":"Another participant questioned whether the earlier explanation came from a prior claimant and linked it to a mystical framing. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q76f8cbbb46f0d84ffd29","summary_en":"A participant then conceded the point in the exchange, saying they could not win against the other's perceived divine support. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Second-circuit tempo and judicial execution became emotional flashpoints, with debate over whether progress had stalled and when substantive review should start","description":"Participants disputed the pace of appellate process, including who may submit to the second circuit and whether repeated filings constituted delay or legitimate pressure. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q1da7be83c4c2c04052b0","q225f5d8b162594d59c9e","qfcad7780c88e3f9b7299"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q1da7be83c4c2c04052b0","summary_en":"One participant said the second-circuit phase was being used to consume time. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q225f5d8b162594d59c9e","summary_en":"Another participant asked who is allowed to present this issue to the second circuit, signaling uncertainty about who can file. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qfcad7780c88e3f9b7299","summary_en":"Another participant joked that one motion per day was overwhelming the second-circuit process. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"From 853N to 853I and remission, participants repeatedly argued whether they can run in parallel, substitute one another, or follow a sequence","description":"Participants contended over the proper sequencing and overlap of 853N, 853I, and remission, including whether a 859 forfeiture track and victim qualification should govern access. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q51d6838ebc1a7e79ec48","q22493cc4fb9b5a685dda","qae6e8dcee3ba2e2efc8f"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q51d6838ebc1a7e79ec48","summary_en":"One participant argued that besides 853N, the 859 forfeiture order should proceed, specifically for the Gaer-related 6,500-person group. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q22493cc4fb9b5a685dda","summary_en":"Another participant described a shift from CVRA to 853N, with no full exclusion of 853I, and said the person had effectively changed position on victim framing. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qae6e8dcee3ba2e2efc8f","summary_en":"Another member argued that arguing over whose victim label dominates is less useful than maintaining victim status for challenges to prosecutors and the judge. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Forfeiture-order effect and correction mechanics were repeatedly disputed, including scope, revocability, and whether a 60-day reopening window could reopen","description":"Participants disputed whether and when a forfeiture order could be voided, whether reopening was available, and how prior 858 references affected timing and finality. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q59f5d0802b4c1eb29088","q5d0327a6f4d40cadb8b4","q33e6739e62e61ce77a93"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q59f5d0802b4c1eb29088","summary_en":"One participant asserted an emergency motion could be used to invalidate that day’s forfeiture order. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q5d0327a6f4d40cadb8b4","summary_en":"Another participant asked whether a final determination had even been made, expressing procedural uncertainty over timing. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q33e6739e62e61ce77a93","summary_en":"A third participant noted no explicit reopening was indicated and referenced a 858 document pointing to a prior year’s notice. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Victim-status and creditor-role disputes widened the divide over who may join forfeiture or restitution paths","description":"Participants disputed who is recognized as a victim versus a regular creditor and argued that standing affects participation rights, especially for remission access. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q24d1f034fe43a80979b1","q97954b991fa08209e0c6","q078c1ff798bbd7073845"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q24d1f034fe43a80979b1","summary_en":"One participant said the court had already ruled that Gaer’s 6,000 people were not victims. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q97954b991fa08209e0c6","summary_en":"Another participant warned that without victim recognition, speaking rights and remission were denied, while losses remained part of sentencing calculation. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q078c1ff798bbd7073845","summary_en":"Another participant argued that if someone seeks reversal, they should state their case directly in court. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Asset recovery shifted from whether funds exist to process details: applications, priority, low-repayment expectations, and risk management","description":"Participants argued that recovery was now centered on procedure, queueing, and expected distribution math, not merely on the existence of assets. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q554d806440ca368a203a","q2c39cfcc245a3ac158a3","qde59c346a9839f3f8202"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q554d806440ca368a203a","summary_en":"One participant explained that forfeiture recovery could involve applying to court for a share and receiving funds only after approval. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q2c39cfcc245a3ac158a3","summary_en":"Another participant pointed to a 5% investment refund pattern tied to family communication, signaling constrained recovery outcomes. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qde59c346a9839f3f8202","summary_en":"Another participant stated the outcome was unlikely to produce a decisive winner. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Evidence-rule conflict focused on independent filing and custody, with a gap between procedural demands and practical enforceability","description":"Participants argued that a claim relies on evidence availability, but disputed who controls it and whether independent submission is feasible. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q78562c0a7f5188a5d0cd","qa4d3e638e07d05f8ed96"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q78562c0a7f5188a5d0cd","summary_en":"One participant argued that overturning the case requires evidence. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qa4d3e638e07d05f8ed96","summary_en":"Another participant replied that the evidence was in a colleague’s hands, raising questions about custody and independence. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Court-record, minutes, and translation reliability were contested, with repeated demands for on-site verification of attendance and speakers","description":"Participants disputed the trustworthiness of records and translation, and pushed for direct verification of courtroom attendance and who actually spoke. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q3cb8aaf22bcb27db0746","q54ed4f915ed541feb9c2","q7d79c5d4fcd3aff77e15"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q3cb8aaf22bcb27db0746","summary_en":"One participant reported having reviewed materials firsthand. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q54ed4f915ed541feb9c2","summary_en":"Another message pointed to a social media post to support their record-check claim. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q7d79c5d4fcd3aff77e15","summary_en":"A participant questioned whether Prosecutor Julian Murray attended a 629 appearance and accused smearing behavior. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Self-prosecution became a turning point: some stressed feasibility and necessity, others questioned evidence preparation and lawyer support","description":"Participants contested whether self-prosecution was viable, arguing both that it is possible with objective independent evidence and that motives or readiness differ among those pursuing it. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q7a2a49562ad31d3e1d1d","q3383b109c0bade5dcf57","q790f66076cffc6415dbf"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q7a2a49562ad31d3e1d1d","summary_en":"One participant asked a personal question about divorce, indicating the conversation had drifted into off-topic probes while discussing self-prosecution. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q3383b109c0bade5dcf57","summary_en":"Another participant said the first self-prosecutor faced backlash, while later ones emerged with diverse, possibly strategic motives. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q790f66076cffc6415dbf","summary_en":"Another participant argued self-prosecution can be done independently if the evidence is objective and not externally directed. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Social-media channels and information noise broadened conflict, with competing character labels and motivation attributions escalating","description":"Participants disputed identity and intent narratives through social posts and allegations, which intensified conflict and encouraged rival labeling. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qf9905d9e8572bd662946","q037a4755b6ed8313e844","qeced5b7ae33279e0faaa"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qf9905d9e8572bd662946","summary_en":"One participant described aggressive, abusive posting cycles and broad attacks, framing the social media environment as mutually antagonistic. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q037a4755b6ed8313e844","summary_en":"Another participant provided another social media reference to reinforce the dispute. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qeced5b7ae33279e0faaa","summary_en":"A third participant characterized the visible scene as a small core group directing a much larger hostile camp. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Family participation and information isolation were repeatedly raised, including whether relatives are constrained, threatened, and within litigation boundaries","description":"Participants disputed who among family members may participate, whether they are shielded or pressured, and whether their rights boundary is clear in filings. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q542f58db5a93d42347e0","q1e02527f4bf31165e125","qdd3a1c6409983d5ec20c"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q542f58db5a93d42347e0","summary_en":"One participant criticized a cited 822 reference as lacking substantive content. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q1e02527f4bf31165e125","summary_en":"Another participant asked whether defendants’ family members have a right to sue. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qdd3a1c6409983d5ec20c","summary_en":"Another participant argued family members are the key people in such situations. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Judicial composition and court-relations disputes pushed arguments toward judge replacement and higher-level relief","description":"Participants contested judicial conduct and argued for escalation to higher-court remedies, including enforcement of appellate directives and potential reassignment. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qe694e4d4c914d3d26c75","qaa60088b2bf56117bbc3","qeac45f695a5898bd9e87"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qe694e4d4c914d3d26c75","summary_en":"One participant outlined legal responses if a district judge ignores a Writ of Mandamus, including emergency stays, objections, contempt framing, direct-record objections, and possible reassignment under 28 U.S.C. § 455. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qaa60088b2bf56117bbc3","summary_en":"Another participant said to file a second-circuit objection explicitly requesting a contempt-of-court pathway. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qeac45f695a5898bd9e87","summary_en":"A final participant echoed that the key actions are enforcing the order and pursuing judge replacement. Community statements, not court findings."}]}],"summary":"讨论从情绪化立场转为程序法务拉锯，围绕“灭共/反共”政治叙事与“可执行的法律路径”两条路线分化。核心分歧是：二审是否会改观、853N/853I与remission能否并行、没收令窗口与受害者资格如何定、以及能否自诉。围绕“你懂法/谁有资格发言/谁可参与”形成门槛争执，“下级法院是否执行上级命令”“证据提交与来源”也反复冲突。多数讨论最终落在财产追回和败诉后补救，但仍有人坚持程序不服与翻案可行性并存。庭审记录、翻译与社媒传播信息质量差异，使身份与动机猜测抬头，群内分裂进一步扩大。","guide":[{"title":"“灭共/反共”动员叙事与以程序胜诉为核心的抗辩路径持续对立","message_ids":["q63004a515bde8fbb85fa","q936b5c5dd225948e32cb","q3d87db8f3700e14e65f2"]},{"title":"“你懂法”与发言资格争论升温，早期即出现对法律术语和当事身份的质疑","message_ids":["qada83f6631de79f6536f","q35e210a8744cda36fc72","q76f8cbbb46f0d84ffd29"]},{"title":"二审节奏与司法执行成为情绪节点，讨论围绕“进展是否停滞、何时入实质审查”","message_ids":["q1da7be83c4c2c04052b0","q225f5d8b162594d59c9e","qfcad7780c88e3f9b7299"]},{"title":"从853N到853I及remission，是否可并行/替代、门槛与顺序反复争辩","message_ids":["q51d6838ebc1a7e79ec48","q22493cc4fb9b5a685dda","qae6e8dcee3ba2e2efc8f"]},{"title":"没收令效力与补充问题反复拉扯：范围、可撤销性及“60天窗口”是否重开","message_ids":["q59f5d0802b4c1eb29088","q5d0327a6f4d40cadb8b4","q33e6739e62e61ce77a93"]},{"title":"受害者资格与“普通债权人化”拉开鸿沟，直接影响能否参与没收/赔偿流程","message_ids":["q24d1f034fe43a80979b1","q97954b991fa08209e0c6","q078c1ff798bbd7073845"]},{"title":"财产追回议题从有无资金转向具体流程：申请、排位、低回款预期与风控分歧","message_ids":["q554d806440ca368a203a","q2c39cfcc245a3ac158a3","qde59c346a9839f3f8202"]},{"title":"证据规则争论集中在“独立提交”“证据来源”与执行可行性之间的落差","message_ids":["q78562c0a7f5188a5d0cd","qa4d3e638e07d05f8ed96"]},{"title":"庭审记录、笔录与翻译可信度持续受疑，现场核验（旁听、在场人、发言人）被反复要求","message_ids":["q3cb8aaf22bcb27db0746","q54ed4f915ed541feb9c2","q7d79c5d4fcd3aff77e15"]},{"title":"自诉路径成为转折：有人强调可行性与必要性，另有成员质疑证据准备和律师介入不足","message_ids":["q7a2a49562ad31d3e1d1d","q3383b109c0bade5dcf57","q790f66076cffc6415dbf"]},{"title":"社媒链路与信息噪音扩大冲突，出现“黑料链接”与“身份/动机标签化”竞争","message_ids":["qf9905d9e8572bd662946","q037a4755b6ed8313e844","qeced5b7ae33279e0faaa"]},{"title":"家属参与与信息隔离被反复提及，涉及是否受限、是否受威胁及其诉权边界未明","message_ids":["q542f58db5a93d42347e0","q1e02527f4bf31165e125","qdd3a1c6409983d5ec20c"]},{"title":"法官构成与法庭关系争议推动“是否应更换法官/申请更高级救济”讨论升级","message_ids":["qe694e4d4c914d3d26c75","qaa60088b2bf56117bbc3","qeac45f695a5898bd9e87"]}],"closed":true,"is_finalized":true,"updated_at":"2026-09-06T18:44:14.213Z","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_batch","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130/pages/3","base_batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-batches/batch-000130?page=3","page":3,"page_size":200,"total_pages":5,"has_more":true,"next_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-batches/batch-000130?page=4","prev_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-batches/batch-000130?page=2","messages":[{"id":"q88644efb7bb506b88154","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":401,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-01T23:44:17.741Z","text":"现在量刑了，853n还能打事实？只会给你说钱的事，而且托雷斯没可能给你853n,所以真正有效的，是现在在南区提交异议，南区不理，马上上二巡走上诉","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q88644efb7bb506b88154","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q329a51517d14ab956578","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":402,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-07-01T23:46:49.106Z","text":"853n条款，不好使。当然，可以用。犯罪受害者条款，纯粹是要钱砸锅，也没有必要介入案件了。打程序问题倒是非常给力","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q329a51517d14ab956578","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q492d53d826438dad9c0e","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":403,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-01T23:49:03.886Z","text":"受害者怎么是要钱砸锅？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q492d53d826438dad9c0e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qc5cad62cb923c3ec7998","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":404,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-02T00:12:31.050Z","text":"这个就可以绕开盖尔的喜交所集体代理","edited":false,"reply_to":"qeaccf7c85a804e60581f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc5cad62cb923c3ec7998","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeaccf7c85a804e60581f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q592631f9749aef22ec0d","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":405,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-02T00:13:24.459Z","text":"6000客户，估计不少是网格员注册HID，账户可能都是空的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q592631f9749aef22ec0d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q3492ddd5fe70f86fe52b","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":406,"speaker":"joh***","date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托雷斯已经帮检方在858兜底了 法律文件都不看 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你在扯！！！！","edited":false,"reply_to":"q03d7d53cc461a4cccc54","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb5b310c4d20148bee6ef","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q03d7d53cc461a4cccc54","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q3e778e2dd84d752c1484","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":460,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-02T06:50:19.722Z","text":"法官根本没说 谁有受害人资格","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3e778e2dd84d752c1484","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qaae4420f2d9c3bcc1f9c","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":461,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-02T06:50:21.304Z","text":"谁没有","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaae4420f2d9c3bcc1f9c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q97954b991fa08209e0c6","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":462,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T06:51:10.328Z","text":"现在的问题是，如果你不承认自己是受害者，你不但没有了受害者资格，没有发声的权利，也不能remission。你的损失还计算在量刑中。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q97954b991fa08209e0c6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qcb36a5eef76aa05694a6","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":463,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T06:51:35.330Z","text":"盖尔的六千人，现在怎么拿回钱？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcb36a5eef76aa05694a6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qea8bee21c166b0b85623","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":464,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-07-02T06:51:35.459Z","text":"你又上不了动议，别人也不会参照你的空话去写，所以你说这些有什么意义","edited":false,"reply_to":"q56513844c003a61622ce","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea8bee21c166b0b85623","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q8f365e263df216cef625","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":465,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-07-02T06:52:58.440Z","text":"被告的主张：投资者不认为自己被欺骗，其投资金额应从损失金额以及金钱判决中排除。托雷斯驳回这种主张，不予排除。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8f365e263df216cef625","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q8ae521706ae7b05f4b3c","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":466,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-02T06:53:03.892Z","text":"不是说了吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcb36a5eef76aa05694a6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ae521706ae7b05f4b3c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcb36a5eef76aa05694a6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q35ae308b3b11d993e869","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":467,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T06:53:26.634Z","text":"发动议的那些人也都是[屏蔽词]，你听他们的，不就被带到沟里了？","edited":true,"reply_to":"qea8bee21c166b0b85623","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q35ae308b3b11d993e869","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea8bee21c166b0b85623","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q0d19a793872d0df5f97f","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":468,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T06:53:47.477Z","text":"他们如果不是[屏蔽词]，为什么二巡不理他们","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0d19a793872d0df5f97f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q6673285b45e29f32dca1","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":469,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T06:54:54.994Z","text":"盖尔在动议里都承认6000人是victim了，但是858法官说她明白盖尔6000人不是受害者","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6673285b45e29f32dca1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q2a3682eed9757d308b0e","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":470,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T06:55:13.253Z","text":"盖尔真是赔了夫人又折兵","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2a3682eed9757d308b0e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q7c9be1025bcb2369256c","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":471,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-02T06:55:21.229Z","text":"来 你找出来 哪句话","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6673285b45e29f32dca1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7c9be1025bcb2369256c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6673285b45e29f32dca1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qb37bf911345b537b858e","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":472,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-02T06:55:24.588Z","text":"哪句？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb37bf911345b537b858e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qa9041942f8b4d1c47e9e","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":473,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T06:55:28.296Z","text":"这6000人的赔偿怎么办？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa9041942f8b4d1c47e9e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q9ea78f6cf8b2b2bb01c1","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":474,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-07-02T06:56:05.880Z","text":"你好搞笑呀，不参照已经上去的动议，难道按你这个连动议都发不了的人的话去做，连上都上不去。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q35ae308b3b11d993e869","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ea78f6cf8b2b2bb01c1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q35ae308b3b11d993e869","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qca58c5d63b7688d34a06","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":475,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-07-02T06:56:31.910Z","text":"瑞恩二巡英勇救郭","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qca58c5d63b7688d34a06","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q81945d75847c2f279d44","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":476,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T06:56:43.837Z","text":"我没资格发动议，不代表发动议的人比我聪明啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9ea78f6cf8b2b2bb01c1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q81945d75847c2f279d44","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ea78f6cf8b2b2bb01c1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q43e9bcbefda40fbbe27d","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":477,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T06:56:58.646Z","text":"发动议谁不会啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q43e9bcbefda40fbbe27d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q22493cc4fb9b5a685dda","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":478,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-02T06:56:59.413Z","text":"盖尔进刑事案，6000一开始用CVRA\n之后785改用853n 不排除853i\n他自己都改口了，哪有承认是受害者？\n这个早讨论过很多次了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2a3682eed9757d308b0e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q22493cc4fb9b5a685dda","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2a3682eed9757d308b0e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qd9d1bf9d47fda9a85fde","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":479,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T06:57:12.426Z","text":"动议赢了，算你牛逼","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd9d1bf9d47fda9a85fde","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q20057d9d3da054b67508","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":480,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-07-02T06:57:16.239Z","text":"瑞恩抛弃郭文贵了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q20057d9d3da054b67508","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q70a037bc44e14af1b46c","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":481,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-07-02T06:57:40.827Z","text":"目前为止，自诉人在巡回法院没有取得实质进展，是因为程序还在南区，现在，民事附属程序还在南区，在下级法院程序没完成要让上级法院进来，本来就很难。就算如此，我还是认为，二巡没有批准tony的强制令，并不正确，二巡对合法提交的强制令不立案，一样做得不对。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q70a037bc44e14af1b46c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q3aae52596cc1fcd16dff","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":482,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T06:57:43.185Z","text":"现在法官858都说盖尔6000人不是受害者了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q22493cc4fb9b5a685dda","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3aae52596cc1fcd16dff","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q22493cc4fb9b5a685dda","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qec64f791341e19a63dc0","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":483,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T06:57:48.962Z","text":"他们不能分钱了吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qec64f791341e19a63dc0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q30755acbfdaa6038a607","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":484,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-02T06:58:51.661Z","text":"不是你说，是盖尔承认的吗\n翻脸比脱裤子还快啊🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3aae52596cc1fcd16dff","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q30755acbfdaa6038a607","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3aae52596cc1fcd16dff","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qc12ec34c8827a1fadfc5","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":485,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T06:59:23.726Z","text":"盖尔承认有什么用啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"q30755acbfdaa6038a607","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc12ec34c8827a1fadfc5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q30755acbfdaa6038a607","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q68e7b5630a421d834aeb","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":486,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-02T06:59:29.658Z","text":"这个[屏蔽词]说法官说他不是受害者","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q68e7b5630a421d834aeb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qf79a29efd0a0e6af143e","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":487,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T06:59:37.408Z","text":"法庭说这6000人不是受害者","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf79a29efd0a0e6af143e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q30c1c366048dc056a613","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":488,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T06:59:51.367Z","text":"法官说了算，不是盖尔说了算","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q30c1c366048dc056a613","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qd5d65525cf675f64b1a0","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":489,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-02T07:00:05.226Z","text":"然后呢","edited":false,"reply_to":"q30c1c366048dc056a613","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/dis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joh***］  我怀疑 他就是安小东","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfcf63cbcb551e58bd4d0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q3a880dde72324d471aac","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":501,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T07:03:53.289Z","text":"853n是给不相关方的，这些人853n也拿不到钱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3a880dde72324d471aac","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q672d52e0a1406af75507","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":502,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T07:04:08.169Z","text":"所以盖尔的6000人是拿不到赔偿了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q672d52e0a1406af75507","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qca93ac60b5e115d7ef43","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":503,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T07:04:28.888Z","text":"他们钱是不可能要回来了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qca93ac60b5e115d7ef43","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qf918e3d3c4cead741c10","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":504,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T07:04:47.137Z","text":"这6000人被耍了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf918e3d3c4cead741c10","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q24fcc2bd76c81e669bcc","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":505,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-02T07:05:08.910Z","text":"为什么853n拿不到","edited":false,"reply_to":"q672d52e0a1406af75507","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q24fcc2bd76c81e669bcc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q672d52e0a1406af75507","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qeb7a2287196fad93608b","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":506,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-02T07:05:16.431Z","text":"himam就是安小东","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3fbca80d82d734e7b1e5","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeb7a2287196fad93608b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q96cb3446b92d8a4f896c","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":507,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-07-02T07:05:18.282Z","text":"托雷斯在受害者问题的态度，在王雁平的听证会上指导青屁眼疼时已经说清楚了。你得承认自己受害，还得主动配合政府，按照这个标准，只有登记了检方那个表的才算。当托雷斯说remission 时，luc已经赢了大半，然后就是所有的主张财产权的，会被托雷斯用程序打回去，不进行实质审理，自己去上诉，但上诉还未赢，钱已经被分。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q96cb3446b92d8a4f896c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qa3aef80ed01840cead6a","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":508,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T07:05:22.760Z","text":"当然本来有债权人去抢钱，remission本来就拿不到钱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa3aef80ed01840cead6a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q9a2144a336ec35635ac5","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":509,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T07:05:57.339Z","text":"853n是给豪车公司的这种不相关第三方的，不是给投资人的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q24fcc2bd76c81e669bcc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9a2144a336ec35635ac5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q24fcc2bd76c81e669bcc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q778d5050d96cea0c0741","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":510,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T07:06:33.178Z","text":"无论如何，盖尔6000很大概率是拿不回钱了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q96cb3446b92d8a4f896c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q778d5050d96cea0c0741","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q96cb3446b92d8a4f896c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qf15cd0dd4d768354833e","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":511,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-02T07:06:49.201Z","text":"投资的，不是说他们不是受害者嘛\n853n不是正好？🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9a2144a336ec35635ac5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf15cd0dd4d768354833e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9a2144a336ec35635ac5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qbcddff320de9afe02af3","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":512,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T07:07:17.987Z","text":"不是受害者，也不能通过853n","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf15cd0dd4d768354833e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbcddff320de9afe02af3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf15cd0dd4d768354833e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qf569320f0895d919161a","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":513,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T07:07:39.817Z","text":"853n是你必须比政府没收更有优先权","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf569320f0895d919161a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q67658b326b6987627dc1","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":514,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-07-02T07:07:49.897Z","text":"托雷斯违法是它的事。自己的权利去不去主张，自己的财产去不去争取，那是要不要把自己当人看的问题。不能说被欺负到头上了，啥也不做，都不去法庭上说两句。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q67658b326b6987627dc1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qf0f7160d42b0f2426914","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":515,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T07:08:21.463Z","text":"说两句是可以，但是钱，真金白银是拿不回来了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q67658b326b6987627dc1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf0f7160d42b0f2426914","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q67658b326b6987627dc1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q9bdb6213e890f928a111","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":516,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T07:08:38.885Z","text":"853n只有豪车公司会赢","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfa6ff18f2b2c19365bc6","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9bdb6213e890f928a111","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qf2fc260c79d1a52083d8","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":517,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T07:08:54.969Z","text":"其他大概率全输","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf2fc260c79d1a52083d8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qbaea4cabf1b1bf56d90d","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":518,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T07:09:40.024Z","text":"然后盖尔的6000人就拿不回钱了，盖尔1%的律师费也拿不到了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q13ea5708314d4cf63c92","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbaea4cabf1b1bf56d90d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q47cc12bd03b8c4509ac8","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":519,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T07:10:05.812Z","text":"盖尔的6000人被耍了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q47cc12bd03b8c4509ac8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q4127224b34999ee7e3a6","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":520,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-02T07:10:22.482Z","text":"对啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"q47cc12bd03b8c4509ac8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4127224b34999ee7e3a6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q47cc12bd03b8c4509ac8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q4f57e113ec776e36b457","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":521,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-02T07:10:28.144Z","text":"领着工资砸着郭，这小日子过的真滋润呐","edited":false,"reply_to":"q67f04dedeb46e40ca091","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f57e113ec776e36b457","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q67f04dedeb46e40ca091","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q21822e2a5ce5a1aa7922","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":522,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-07-02T07:10:44.743Z","text":"盖而那里，首先是合同欺诈的问题。然后是hid只能对应账户，不能对应投资，就这一点，涉嫌虚增受害者，虚假索赔。另外，那是共谋组织的索赔，涉嫌利用法庭诈骗，把法庭当作诈骗的工具。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q778d5050d96cea0c0741","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q21822e2a5ce5a1aa7922","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q778d5050d96cea0c0741","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q627aea30f7469ef3a651","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":523,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-07-02T07:11:21.039Z","text":"那是枉法的结果。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf0f7160d42b0f2426914","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q627aea30f7469ef3a651","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf0f7160d42b0f2426914","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q623b150c1345e5c4e35a","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":524,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T07:11:25.345Z","text":"盖尔的6000人涉嫌合同欺诈，共谋","edited":false,"reply_to":"q21822e2a5ce5a1aa7922","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q623b150c1345e5c4e35a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q21822e2a5ce5a1aa7922","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qd63d223b6896132c07c6","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":525,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-02T07:11:25.851Z","text":"不知道你想表达什么 ［用户 him***］","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd63d223b6896132c07c6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q72f3fea0208c02c9c3c2","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":526,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T07:11:39.294Z","text":"盖尔6000人本来就不能拿钱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q72f3fea0208c02c9c3c2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q428a89a75a10fe78459c","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":527,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-02T07:12:08.416Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息]","edited":true,"reply_to":"qf832b28828ab273c2208","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q428a89a75a10fe78459c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qe8d84aa3610c32dbc95b","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":528,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T07:12:11.487Z","text":"但是，盖尔6000人现在的问题是，法庭说他们不是受害人，他们不能参与remission","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe8d84aa3610c32dbc95b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q4d8196151a5fb70bfd2f","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":529,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-02T07:12:14.775Z","text":"只有安小东这个[屏蔽词] 会说出 法官承认盖尔不是受害者","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4d8196151a5fb70bfd2f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qcf22d5e08386f650d772","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":530,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T07:12:32.271Z","text":"6000人853n又不能赢","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf22d5e08386f650d772","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q72ac861a9155b1ae55fe","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":531,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-02T07:13:19.065Z","text":"不是法庭说\n而是盖尔自己用853 替代cvra\n颠倒黑白🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe8d84aa3610c32dbc95b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q72ac861a9155b1ae55fe","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe8d84aa3610c32dbc95b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qf70ae27d41a3950171ab","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":532,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-02T07:13:55.059Z","text":"himam的法律文件全靠自己现编","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf70ae27d41a3950171ab","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q93680c7e5e15aa0e4568","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":533,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-02T07:14:29.849Z","text":"他这么攻击美国政府，不怕美国不去加拿大收拾他吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"q87cedf398438922cf4b9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q93680c7e5e15aa0e4568","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q87cedf398438922cf4b9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qdd839faa87e9d7947198","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":534,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T07:18:14.789Z","text":"郭说的是，他想说的话就是他律师提到的50个异议，后来被法官全部驳回了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qed350be2e42ca88ee6a6","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdd839faa87e9d7947198","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qcdb8ed09c0b5b0b494f0","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":535,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T07:18:45.992Z","text":"你看858了吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"q72ac861a9155b1ae55fe","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcdb8ed09c0b5b0b494f0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q72ac861a9155b1ae55fe","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q42bd276cc3ed7e3b15ce","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":536,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T07:18:59.077Z","text":"法庭断定，盖尔6000人不是受害者","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q42bd276cc3ed7e3b15ce","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q640d799f658170601590","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":537,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-02T07:19:18.544Z","text":"原文都拿不出来 全靠编","edited":false,"reply_to":"q42bd276cc3ed7e3b15ce","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q640d799f658170601590","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q42bd276cc3ed7e3b15ce","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q68d555bcab8e69ec31bc","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":538,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T07:19:25.394Z","text":"不是受害者就不能用853i","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q68d555bcab8e69ec31bc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q91d9bbab8cb12b5c30c0","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":539,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-07-02T07:20:04.158Z","text":"我用翻译软件全文看了，真没看到，可否指出在第几页。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q42bd276cc3ed7e3b15ce","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q91d9bbab8cb12b5c30c0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q42bd276cc3ed7e3b15ce","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qeda99910e1cffb2c7598","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":540,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-02T07:20:23.273Z","text":"你看785了吗🤣 n i都不分🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcdb8ed09c0b5b0b494f0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeda99910e1cffb2c7598","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcdb8ed09c0b5b0b494f0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qfcdf428dbe99b8c20938","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":541,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-02T07:20:24.366Z","text":"你让他指出 他就屏蔽你","edited":false,"reply_to":"q91d9bbab8cb12b5c30c0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfcdf428dbe99b8c20938","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q91d9bbab8cb12b5c30c0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qc68f8227b8bf49e0e434","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":542,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-07-02T07:21:25.863Z","text":"858里，确实有托雷斯面上都说不过去的地方。错误引用下级法院判来违反上级法院判例。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc68f8227b8bf49e0e434","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q0612f905d206acef15ac","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":543,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-02T07:21:30.520Z","text":"说不过就拉黑，这是灭爆的典型特点","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfcdf428dbe99b8c20938","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0612f905d206acef15ac","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfcdf428dbe99b8c20938","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q09b443dacb3c933b3328","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":544,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-02T07:22:26.767Z","text":"自己打脸","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q09b443dacb3c933b3328","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q66a43794a2c8797b759f","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":545,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T07:22:37.888Z","text":"法院知道他们不愿意是受害者，所以让他们去853n程序裁决","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q66a43794a2c8797b759f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q813d0cd8f9c2c4f0881e","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":546,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-02T07:23:15.375Z","text":"他就是安小东","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q813d0cd8f9c2c4f0881e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qc5494eacf6031eff830e","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":547,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T07:23:50.874Z","text":"你不承认自己是受害者，你就是853n","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc5494eacf6031eff830e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q47f341290fc1f020d1d6","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":548,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-07-02T07:23:51.266Z","text":"法庭在当前程序不处理这个问题，被你说成法庭不认为那6000人是受害者。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0c821cec45be5d329775","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q47f341290fc1f020d1d6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qbd09a105eea1fb7caf49","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":549,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T07:24:40.390Z","text":"现在当然不处理这个问题了，因为他们不承认自己是受害者啊，853n是没收程序","edited":false,"reply_to":"q47f341290fc1f020d1d6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbd09a105eea1fb7caf49","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q47f341290fc1f020d1d6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q044d878c198583a69c30","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":550,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T07:25:25.869Z","text":"他们承认自己是受害者，法庭可以马上裁决他们要钱的问题，不承认是受害者，就是853n","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q044d878c198583a69c30","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q851e47cbff320d6c2b86","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":551,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-07-02T07:25:42.694Z","text":"所以法庭并没有说那6000人不是受害者。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbd09a105eea1fb7caf49","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q851e47cbff320d6c2b86","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbd09a105eea1fb7caf49","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qee46993fba90041a3f00","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":552,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T07:26:03.540Z","text":"二巡不会理他","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9af232e1ed25c063ce3b","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.c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他说会理","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q454d21d786659a15ce14","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q3da43043bab6511c80da","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":554,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T07:26:58.505Z","text":"托雷斯一贯认为，你不承认自己是受害者你就不是","edited":false,"reply_to":"q851e47cbff320d6c2b86","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3da43043bab6511c80da","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q851e47cbff320d6c2b86","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q78edecabf954c5ea3b3d","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":555,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T07:27:50.670Z","text":"你去看青藤和Ava两个人在量刑的时候，托雷斯问他们，你是不是受害者，青藤说不是，托雷斯说，那你不能发言","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q78edecabf954c5ea3b3d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q9fd18b550706fba09cf6","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":556,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-07-02T07:28:06.520Z","text":"郭文贵搞不过共产党","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9fd18b550706fba09cf6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qff38aca5ef9e0881237b","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":557,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T07:28:21.885Z","text":"所以法官的角度讲你不承认自己是受害者，你就不是受害者","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qff38aca5ef9e0881237b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qb7e1d7402ad4ec255d1d","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":558,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-07-02T07:30:53.884Z","text":"南区这边就是美国司法部的延伸，检方怎么说就按检方的意思来。按照检方的意思，不承认政府叙事的，不是受害者，政府说这些是和共谋一起在伤害承认政府叙事的受害者，托雷斯比南区检方还要激进一些，大大方方地就说你不是。检方那几个人自己前后矛盾，倒是托雷斯在这个问题上思路很清晰。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb7e1d7402ad4ec255d1d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q573fb1775e2af144c30d","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":559,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T07:31:07.853Z","text":"法官和检方不一样","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb7e1d7402ad4ec255d1d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q573fb1775e2af144c30d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb7e1d7402ad4ec255d1d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qc1f0d14f7b56d68549d6","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":560,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T07:31:20.988Z","text":"检方认为你不是同案犯就是受害者","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc1f0d14f7b56d68549d6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q26bd5328028f9e62916f","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":561,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-07-02T07:31:33.605Z","text":"但858没说，在王的听证会上，确实明确了这个标准。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3da43043bab6511c80da","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q26bd5328028f9e62916f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3da43043bab6511c80da","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q75f50bd4e36ca8a70fa9","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":562,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T07:31:38.113Z","text":"法官认为，你不承认自己是受害者，你就是第三方","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q75f50bd4e36ca8a70fa9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q225a13065c3a186a38f6","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":563,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T07:32:18.126Z","text":"但是检方现在又说cvra那四个人不是受害者，检方已经自相矛盾了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q225a13065c3a186a38f6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q01c40b67b4952dd93ace","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":564,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T07:32:44.014Z","text":"但是法官一贯认为，你可以不承认自己是受害者，那你就是853n","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q01c40b67b49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victim status），那么参与赦免赔偿程序（remission）会面临严重问题，因为赦免赔偿制度通常是为了补偿犯罪行为的受害人而设立的。\n如果一个人明确表示：\n“我不是本案犯罪行为的受害人。”\n那么司法部（DOJ）完全可能依据这一表述认定其不符合受害人赦免赔偿资格。届时，司法部可能会质疑：\n“既然你明确表示自己不是受害人，为什么又要求获得受害人赔偿？”","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc489d5f9e8a7be293468","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6530fa5fb1233eff5327","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc489d5f9e8a7be293468","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q73e09e008b9bacb97f23","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":582,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T07:42:30.266Z","text":"👆 这就是盖尔6000人明确否认自己是受害者，他们不能参与remission","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q73e09e008b9bacb97f23","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q1920a105137c5be12e17","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":583,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-02T07:43:57.800Z","text":"明明刚才说法庭不认他们受害者 现在又说doj了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1920a105137c5be12e17","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qa037ffcc179aee254233","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":584,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-07-02T07:44:22.062Z","text":"不要用ai来回复。一个神经病才会去一边乞求一边说自己不是受害者。美国司法部的雇员在走remission 程序时，也不会给自己找事还要去审查一下你之前是不是有过不承认政府叙事的言论。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6530fa5fb1233eff5327","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa037ffcc179aee254233","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6530fa5fb1233eff5327","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q9c281e6e0497f3df3294","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":585,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T07:45:14.919Z","text":"如果你是盖尔代理的，司法部已经知道你否认受害者身份了，盖尔的6000人已经否认了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa037ffcc179aee254233","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9c281e6e0497f3df3294","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa037ffcc179aee254233","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q1c7bf199d2dfa75895db","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":586,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T07:45:26.462Z","text":"这个很明显啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1c7bf199d2dfa75895db","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q204da8b1e1b64c4cc1e7","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":587,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-07-02T07:48:07.645Z","text":"自诉人赢不了，这些钱，是要给luc的。在正常的案子里，那些雇员就是走程序，你认为那些雇员是南区检察官办公室的人吗！大家都是按照程序走。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9c281e6e0497f3df3294","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q204da8b1e1b64c4cc1e7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9c281e6e0497f3df3294","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q82b1f7481b4a6392d048","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":588,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T07:48:41.935Z","text":"我觉得这个案子，和一般案子不一样","edited":false,"reply_to":"q204da8b1e1b64c4cc1e7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q82b1f7481b4a6392d048","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q204da8b1e1b64c4cc1e7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q54f11ef919724c9c33b0","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":589,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T07:48:59.876Z","text":"这个案子每个想去拿钱的人，都会被仔细审查","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q54f11ef919724c9c33b0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q1e265025038dbf653378","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":590,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T07:49:42.566Z","text":"盖尔的6000人已经很出名了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1e265025038dbf653378","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q9014a6e22abac26a9d80","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":591,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T07:49:51.025Z","text":"他们拿回钱的概率很小","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9014a6e22abac26a9d80","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q9aae7ac0ce9503aafd6c","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":592,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-07-02T07:49:53.035Z","text":"确实不一样。因为是中共明着抢。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q54f11ef919724c9c33b0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9aae7ac0ce9503aafd6c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q54f11ef919724c9c33b0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q36cd19d63b31dde78aaf","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":593,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-07-02T07:51:28.013Z","text":"那6000个id，引用 ［用户 joh***］ 的话说，绝大多数都是网格员开的账户。","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q36cd19d63b31dde78aaf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q127001c0ff8b19576f8d","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":594,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T07:51:58.738Z","text":"不一定吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"q36cd19d63b31dde78aaf","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q127001c0ff8b19576f8d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q36cd19d63b31dde78aaf","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q9127e4e81cb41f271e6e","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":595,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-07-02T07:52:19.385Z","text":"我认为是。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q127001c0ff8b19576f8d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9127e4e81cb41f271e6e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q127001c0ff8b19576f8d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q06b3e906c9e9b4b09388","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":596,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T07:52:25.270Z","text":"如果真的是的话，美国政府不会退给他们钱的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q06b3e906c9e9b4b09388","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q5b26311ae07f8f9e0f37","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":597,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-07-02T07:52:40.457Z","text":"我认为真金白银投资的，就两千人左右。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5b26311ae07f8f9e0f37","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"q881010688c0c77324d30","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":598,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T07:53:03.767Z","text":"怪不得郭说只有5%","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5b26311ae07f8f9e0f37","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q881010688c0c77324d30","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5b26311ae07f8f9e0f37","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qced916950e5b8a1b0b37","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":599,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-07-02T07:53:15.780Z","text":"按正常程序走，你得拿出投资证明。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qced916950e5b8a1b0b37","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"},{"id":"qec194e11c327f36d0d70","batch_id":"batch-000130","seq":600,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-02T07:53:31.001Z","text":"但是不可能吧，14亿，只有2000正常人？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qec194e11c327f36d0d70","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000130"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000129","next_batch_id":"batch-000131"}