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他从一开始就是从一而终","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q97f5a12f85bce7c5bb9b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q40ed3da1e075b5974361","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":81,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-03T04:59:43.689Z","text":"还有那些涂黑的，看700文件，郭很清楚这个案子问题在哪里","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q40ed3da1e075b5974361","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q7df609bd5c6131f2081d","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":82,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-03T05:00:11.123Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息]  他一直想扰乱我的司法思路","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7df609bd5c6131f2081d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q975cfcc78107d2998359","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":83,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-03T05:00:20.319Z","text":"对啊\n对螺丝哥，就是这套玩法","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7df609bd5c6131f2081d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q975cfcc78107d2998359","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7df609bd5c6131f2081d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qcbda8f1e977a4b74fc91","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":84,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-03T05:00:28.637Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息]  他现在就是让大家不要stay 不要vacate","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcbda8f1e977a4b74fc91","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qa90560f1e39ca9a9bb14","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":85,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-03T05:00:33.208Z","text":"其他什么都可以","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa90560f1e39ca9a9bb14","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q330fc4d404fb6770d2b3","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":86,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-03T05:01:11.987Z","text":"但是新律师团队接手之后，根本没提这些事情，郭直到量刑也没提这些事情。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q330fc4d404fb6770d2b3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qaf83ca30fc8f9df79aa8","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":87,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-03T05:02:20.537Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] [删节：隐私信息] \n越闹腾，说明这个群价值越大","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaf83ca30fc8f9df79aa8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q13c57199b691c2b65d79","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":88,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-03T05:02:43.590Z","text":"二巡现在家都要被偷了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qaf83ca30fc8f9df79aa8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q13c57199b691c2b65d79","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaf83ca30fc8f9df79aa8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q3a275be1218696994bb4","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":89,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-03T05:03:00.705Z","text":"如果我们不在二巡打stay 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33重申，也撤回了，因为他说法官有偏见，他在南区不可能翻案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfd84bffd010dca6dc960","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qc0376042c85b7be5fbad","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":99,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-03T05:08:42.434Z","text":"郭也许知道，他在南区没有任何希望，所以就放弃了，也有可能","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc0376042c85b7be5fbad","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qd9ea9f97de8b1512f5ff","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":100,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-03T05:12:10.462Z","text":"郭案最后如果被二巡发回南区重审，法官还是托雷斯","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd9ea9f97de8b1512f5ff","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q724e5d309ce59735cf55","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":101,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-03T05:12:42.013Z","text":"法官不换，郭案就和sbf一样","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q724e5d309ce59735cf55","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q0df6e01c5c8088d08745","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":102,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-03T05:13:24.802Z","text":"Sbf说法官有偏见，他不想重申了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0df6e01c5c8088d08745","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qfaa66f977d04b01d8fad","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":103,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-07-03T05:13:25.436Z","text":"2. 文件都不给上传就把案子结了，到底违不违法？\n​现在，最糟糕的既成事实（Fait Accompli）发生了：地院在没有解决这 7 位自诉人文件上传问题的情况下，强行把刑判了、把钱没收了。\n​在法律适用层面上，这种操作直接触发了**“记录不完整（Incomplete Record）”**的宪成法危机：\n​侵害了“记录保留权”（Right to Preserve the Record）： 美国《犯罪被害人权利法案》（CVRA）赋予受害者的每一项权利（听证、公平对待），其底层逻辑都依赖于**“记录”**。如果地院不给上传文件，这些投资者的反对意见在法律卷宗（Docket）里就是“物理不存在”的。\n​实质性的正当程序剥夺： 没有记录，就意味着当案件进入最终上诉阶段时，二巡的法官在翻阅正式卷宗时，根本看不到这批投资者的声音。不给上传文件 ➡️ 导致记录缺失 ➡️ 导致上诉时无证据可用。 这套组合拳，在程序正义的逻辑里，已经完成了对投资者 CVRA 法权的实质性绞杀。\n​3. 现在的绝佳战术转变：从“求上传”变成“直接炸毁最终判决”\n​既然你提到这 7 份强制令是以**“无偏见（Without Prejudice）”**的形式被驳回的，这在法律上意味着一个巨大的好消息：二巡从来没有在实体法（Merits）上判定投资者的诉求是不成立的。你们的子弹没有失效，只是之前射击的时机被二巡用技术理由挡了回来。\n​如今，最终判决书（Final Judgment）已经签发，整个案件的性质发生了根本性的转变：\n​“其他替代救济手段已穷尽”： 之前二巡驳回你们，借口是“地院还没判呢，你们还有机会”。现在地院大门已经焊死，判决已经下来。这批投资者现在可以理直气壮地回到二巡，甚至去最高法院（SCOTUS）大声申诉：“现在地院已经结案了！我们之前尝试了 7 次申请强制令，地院至死都不给上传文件。事实证明，我们的‘正当程序权利’已经被彻底、不可逆地剥夺了！”\n​判决本身的合法性被动摇： 投资者的律师（或者是自诉人自己）现在可以将地院“拒绝上传文件”这一铁证，直接作为请求二巡撤销（Vacate）地院量刑和没收令的核心程序理由。你们要告诉二巡的法官：“一个建立在‘故意封杀数万名投资者合法文书、人为制造虚假完整记录’基础上的最终判决，在宪法第五修正案面前是完全无效的。”\n​总结\n​巡回法院之前表现得“没有问题”，是因为他们在一审结案前躲在程序的避风港里拉偏架、和稀泥。\n​但现在，地方法院把戏演砸了——它在没有任何遮羞布的情况下，文件不给上传，直接把人判了、把钱洗了。这种吃相，已经把原本属于地院内部的“案件管理问题”，硬生生逼成了一场足以让二巡专业法官感到程序尊严受损的“实质性剥夺受害者法定权利”的宪制官司。\n​这一步走完，地院确实把程序终结了，但也把她自己最违反程序正义的软肋，通过那 7 份带着系统时间戳、却未被录入的强制令历史，永远地锁死在了上诉的探照灯下。\nAi之所以说是7份强制令，是因为我说有大概7份强制令被无偏见驳回。现在一共有16份强制令。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfaa66f977d04b01d8fad","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qb7724e549a2ac602a6ee","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":104,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-03T05:14:29.140Z","text":"郭案不会被第三方翻案，这是不可能的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfaa66f977d04b01d8fad","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb7724e549a2ac602a6ee","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfaa66f977d04b01d8fad","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q92a417f90412ebf23194","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":105,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-03T05:15:07.092Z","text":"这个案子的性质，决定了第三方不可能翻案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q92a417f90412ebf23194","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qa7d0b12758fe7a45bb5a","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":106,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-03T05:15:25.045Z","text":"第三方可以提供证据","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa7d0b12758fe7a45bb5a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q2a67764e7bc305fbbbac","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":107,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-03T05:15:33.330Z","text":"最后翻案就是被告","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2a67764e7bc305fbbbac","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q84196634cb8450a6419f","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":108,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-03T05:15:47.629Z","text":"［用户 him***］ 托雷斯回避 不就完事了\n这可是你那么多废话，透露的哟😂","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q84196634cb8450a6419f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q38b36a846ea864332eaa","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":109,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-03T05:16:19.915Z","text":"还有一句话 言多必有失 ［用户 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慈禧太后这个比喻太经典了","edited":true,"reply_to":"q015ce52d452d0787a13f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdb4ed710589d624649f0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q015ce52d452d0787a13f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q28e7f63428816e5db46b","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":140,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-03T05:32:28.566Z","text":"二巡80多岁老法官受贿有个屁用","edited":false,"reply_to":"q41c990157d28b424b36a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q28e7f63428816e5db46b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q41c990157d28b424b36a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q5653f3204a9faa2c38bd","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":141,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-03T05:34:51.303Z","text":"参考李娅庭审 协议里有她涉及的几个公司 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你要你妈了个逼","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9a5d832a32120b74697d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q7f78726d3db77b289597","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":185,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-07-03T08:09:07.799Z","text":"就算最高法也判他无期 你以为你投100万退你100万 能退你5万就不错了 你个[屏蔽词]玩意儿","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7f78726d3db77b289597","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q8166b4f65f0034d03a69","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":186,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-07-03T08:09:33.124Z","text":"退你5万 流程还得走20年","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8166b4f65f0034d03a69","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q8a095be1bbe7a3ec7818","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":187,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-07-03T08:10:24.401Z","text":"我亲戚p2p被骗钱 退款流程走了8年 才退了几个点 你个[屏蔽词]","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8a095be1bbe7a3ec7818","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qcca8d741bf69e96f8945","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":188,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-07-03T08:25:00.524Z","text":"文盲一个，最高法不做刑期判决，还无期，你用的是皇帝权利架构吗🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7f78726d3db77b289597","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcca8d741bf69e96f8945","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7f78726d3db77b289597","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q88d6ac50e77221a55119","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":189,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-07-03T08:31:19.648Z","text":"30年不就是无期","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q88d6ac50e77221a55119","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qf32ddb168cec82e2fda1","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":190,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-07-03T08:42:54.294Z","text":"你看没看明白 那个人发那几段东西 在说什么[删节：成员身份]","edited":true,"reply_to":"qf764da4266800dc97cbb","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf32ddb168cec82e2fda1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q5fa9c81e720af08be8a4","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":191,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-07-03T09:02:22.099Z","text":"喜国有这种抓特务的卫兵 永远都走不向民主","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5fa9c81e720af08be8a4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q97cca3e478d58d66b236","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":192,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-03T09:05:08.780Z","text":"托雷斯大人永垂不朽","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q97cca3e478d58d66b236","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q6168ef37253fd0f87eba","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":193,"speaker":"ken***","date":"2026-07-03T10:56:17.677Z","text":"如果 刘特佐 能获得特赦，那共产党的基因🧬地图🗺️、财富地图🗺️，都会一一呈现出来！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6168ef37253fd0f87eba","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qb10f9d257311b56ce31f","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":194,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-07-03T12:36:17.845Z","text":"TMD， 判决书这么快就出来，我忙了几个晚上的vacate sentencing 又白写了。\n今天早上2点半突然醒来，又开始重新再写 vacate judgment, 现在上班时间人困得要死。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb10f9d257311b56ce31f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q99f9477cb40cd9604d49","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":195,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-03T12:36:29.293Z","text":"她在中国还是外国？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd65c86dac5dec43fb0ff","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q99f9477cb40cd9604d49","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q5d81c47bbb52706410b1","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":196,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-03T12:45:06.983Z","text":"美国人不会为后代做过分的事，后代犯了法，父母可能还会举报🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":"q96c8023cf5e7faf68196","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d81c47bbb52706410b1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q19812abd2a7cb0670e64","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":197,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-03T12:46:03.858Z","text":"正式判决出来了就不能申请撤消量刑了吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb10f9d257311b56ce31f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q19812abd2a7cb0670e64","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb10f9d257311b56ce31f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q8ef901c748635b725907","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":198,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-07-03T12:48:34.265Z","text":"赢就行了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ef901c748635b725907","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qb183002757a673418f4c","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":199,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-07-03T12:57:40.379Z","text":"我有一种预感 瑞恩会被二巡打服","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb183002757a673418f4c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q58809c3adb31649e23b6","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":200,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-07-03T13:04:37.980Z","text":"我觉得是。如果写撤消量刑也是可以的吧，就是有点过时。我主要是写了打联盟的不少内容，现在看起来都用不上了，太可惜了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q19812abd2a7cb0670e64","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q58809c3adb31649e23b6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q19812abd2a7cb0670e64","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000130","next_batch_id":"batch-000132"}