{"id":"batch-000131","number":131,"revision":1,"date_start":"2026-07-03T02:30:16.479Z","date_end":"2026-07-05T03:40:17.278Z","total_messages":1000,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 131 (Jul 3, 2026 – Jul 5, 2026), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. From July 3 to July 5, 2026, discussion centered on the Guo case record and procedure. Participants pressed to verify history against social posts, then contested whether July 2 filings, vacate timing, and judgment finality allowed meaningful second-circuit action. They disputed sentence and forfeiture scope, citing 18 U.S.C. §1349 and 18 U.S.C. §1956(h), with references to a 45-year framing and broader victim assumptions. ECF Filing Receipt and Docket timestamps were framed as crucial. Community statements, not court findings.","guide_en":[{"title":"Verify first before concluding: historical records, screenshots, and firsthand claims were repeatedly challenged for alignment","description":"Participants repeatedly argued that historical records should be reconciled first and challenged screenshots and eyewitness-style claims before accepting conclusions; they disputed evidentiary reliability rather than definitive outcomes. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q374cbf86bc2fc39375f0","q114bf2f3b97f5a6de006","q058ed3aa25f84405e01b"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q374cbf86bc2fc39375f0","summary_en":"One participant claimed they wanted to check whether current assertions could match historical records first. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q114bf2f3b97f5a6de006","summary_en":"The same participant claimed they had already dug up some information earlier in the thread. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q058ed3aa25f84405e01b","summary_en":"A participant argued that a large batch of collected materials had diminished credibility once scrutinized. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Social-media post and avatar authenticity dispute: online images and fabricated-label claims made truth boundaries uncertain","description":"Participants argued that the social post was fake, that the avatar appeared to be web-sourced, and that the content was fabricated, so credibility remained contested. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q31499ffd4a1c62d3fbd9","q0c12d35d642d55c1f80c","qd62e4f360080f4ba2a79"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q31499ffd4a1c62d3fbd9","summary_en":"A participant claimed the referenced social post was fake. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q0c12d35d642d55c1f80c","summary_en":"A participant claimed the posted avatar was a stock or internet image rather than original. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qd62e4f360080f4ba2a79","summary_en":"A participant claimed the content itself was fabricated. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Court procedure became central: whether pre-second-appeal filing and dockets around July 2 were complete","description":"Participants argued over whether earlier sentencing confirmation was official or only oral, while disputing whether second-circuit proceedings now had full procedural authority over the case posture. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qe8689bd51d228e995f04","q616848dbdfd8b770023d","qb8d875b4c18080af731b"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qe8689bd51d228e995f04","summary_en":"A participant claimed earlier sentencing had been officially certified. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q616848dbdfd8b770023d","summary_en":"Another participant claimed that what was previously in place was only oral. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qb8d875b4c18080af731b","summary_en":"A participant claimed the second circuit now had formal full management. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Appeal path and finality dispute: whether relief remains after final judgment and when second-circuit action is viable","description":"Participants disputed whether a final judgment forecloses later relief, whether a stay is central, and whether missing vacate opportunities would make the case effectively unreopenable. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q37193185242614ff4181","qfed883320e66af3916b4","q19812abd2a7cb0670e64"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q37193185242614ff4181","summary_en":"A participant claimed that if second-circuit review cannot be passed, the case is effectively locked. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qfed883320e66af3916b4","summary_en":"A participant claimed the second-circuit judges would be decisive in practice. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q19812abd2a7cb0670e64","summary_en":"A participant questioned whether sentence vacatur is unavailable once formal judgment is issued. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Sentencing and forfeiture metrics disagreed: references to 30/35/45 years and different asset-boundary readings","description":"Participants disputed sentence-figuring benchmarks and forfeiture sequencing, with one framing around a 45-year line and another emphasizing that forfeiture should trigger only after sentencing. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qdb378d023b146762d507","q2c19b58615ea440750ce","q06f731c605f1427a39d3"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qdb378d023b146762d507","summary_en":"A participant claimed sentencing looked better than expected, while the expectation had been 45 years. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q2c19b58615ea440750ce","summary_en":"A participant claimed the 45-year outcome was tied to an extra-kicker expectation that was not granted. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q06f731c605f1427a39d3","summary_en":"A participant claimed forfeiture in the case remained suspended before Guo’s sentencing and became operative only afterward. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Victim identification and fund ownership remained contested: who is a victim, who can use CVRA, and loss scope","description":"Participants disputed whether every affected customer was a victim, whether CVRA participation should be broader, and how alleged fund control should shape the scope of damage and standing. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qf8ea5f6aa1e2f4119e3e","qa536ac87f1e30013ca0d","qd5af56e697a10ede8e8b"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qf8ea5f6aa1e2f4119e3e","summary_en":"A participant claimed the prosecution advanced four CVRA-related filings in the second circuit but did not allow victims to speak through CVRA. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qa536ac87f1e30013ca0d","summary_en":"A participant claimed that if the prosecution treats everyone as a victim, all should be allowed CVRA participation. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qd5af56e697a10ede8e8b","summary_en":"A participant claimed that even in a company-level fraud, not every customer is necessarily a victim. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Wang YP plea scope dispute: whether admission was only GTV-related or implied wider conspiracy and enterprise exposure","description":"Participants argued over whether Wang YP pleaded only limited GTV conduct or a broader conspiracy, including whether forfeiture consent, enterprise linkage, and statute framing supported expanded responsibility. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q35ccd802007a28b5565c","q55e10b90662fe5107bcb","q124c182ada07b0a8aeb1"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q35ccd802007a28b5565c","summary_en":"A participant claimed that saying Wang YP pleaded only GTV was misleading and stated he pleaded conspiracy to commit wire fraud under 18 U.S.C. §1349 and money laundering under 18 U.S.C. §1956(h). Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q55e10b90662fe5107bcb","summary_en":"A participant claimed the motion said he pleaded only two crimes tied to GTV, while his signed forfeiture consent covered the broader G-series set. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q124c182ada07b0a8aeb1","summary_en":"A participant claimed a 484 filing addressed government victim statements and argued that wrongdoing by followers should be pursued against them, that the two-count plea plus alleged no-rico framing limited liability for the enterprise, and that coercive circumstances were emphasized. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Third-party and bystander standing: no-reversal claims versus argument that evidence can still be submitted","description":"Participants contested whether third parties could overturn the Guo case, with some claiming reversal is impossible and others insisting procedural defects allow third-party evidentiary challenges. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qb7724e549a2ac602a6ee","q92a417f90412ebf23194","qa7d0b12758fe7a45bb5a"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qb7724e549a2ac602a6ee","summary_en":"A participant claimed the Guo case cannot be overturned by third parties. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q92a417f90412ebf23194","summary_en":"Another participant claimed the case nature makes third-party reversal impossible. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qa7d0b12758fe7a45bb5a","summary_en":"Another participant claimed third parties can still provide evidence. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Operational shift to action: preserve records, pursue consolidated strategy, and manage objection deadlines","description":"Participants moved from debate to logistics, arguing for preserving ECF Filing Receipt and Docket evidence, preserving motion trails, and coordinating filing timelines as practical strategy. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q1e339d7f549de54b3d18","q3a275be1218696994bb4","q1d6619c3dc0ec7884ae5"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q1e339d7f549de54b3d18","summary_en":"A participant claimed six vacate motions should be treated as critical tactical markers, and urged preserving ECF Filing Receipt and Docket screenshots because timeline stamps could support a second-circuit challenge to rushed lower-court treatment. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q3a275be1218696994bb4","summary_en":"A participant argued that failure to secure a stay or vacate posture in the second circuit would forfeit strategic leverage. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q1d6619c3dc0ec7884ae5","summary_en":"A participant claimed there was at least a month remaining, so participants should submit any required records promptly. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Community narrative became polarized: labeling, coordinated attacks, and conspiracy framing entered legal discussion","description":"Participants contested the tone shift as political labeling and identity framing entered legal debate, with some accusing internal groups of over-politicization while others highlighted low material compliance in a separate context. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qfad2021bcff8289c7229","q7ab545ea36672f46e462","q72940aaaa72442d0e329"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qfad2021bcff8289c7229","summary_en":"A participant claimed frustration with coordinated criticism and called out conduct around the discussion with mocking language tied to a linked social post. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q7ab545ea36672f46e462","summary_en":"A participant claimed that 99.99% of the South District had not uploaded required material. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q72940aaaa72442d0e329","summary_en":"A participant claimed that pursuing a reversal had become futile and advised giving up on that path. Community statements, not court findings."}]}],"summary":"讨论一开始就在“先核验再下结论”上反复拉齐：历史聊天记录、截图来源和社媒帖是否原始常被要求核实。随后核心转向法院程序，成员围绕7月2日前后关键文件、vacate动议未处理、裁定是否有完整记录、上诉时效与二巡路径争执不休。多数观点把后续策略放在补充材料、保留档案、并案推进，但对翻案条件是否成立仍无共识。量刑与没收金额口径、王雁平认罪范围、受害规模与控制权归属也高度分歧。更进一步，一部分讨论被政治化叙事、内外部操控和身份化站队冲淡：对程序信任、证据可信度与群体角色认知出现长期分化。","guide":[{"title":"先核验再谈：历史记录、截图与“亲历者”表述被反复质疑需先对齐","message_ids":["q374cbf86bc2fc39375f0","q114bf2f3b97f5a6de006","q058ed3aa25f84405e01b"]},{"title":"社媒帖与头像内容真伪争议：网图/杜撰标签频繁，真实性边界未定","message_ids":["q31499ffd4a1c62d3fbd9","q0c12d35d642d55c1f80c","qd62e4f360080f4ba2a79"]},{"title":"法院程序成主线：判决前后vacate与file 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   万一 原审律师  各自 拖延不提上诉呢","edited":false,"reply_to":"q237e27267f4b4e7ae94f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q29dbcffd088a6fb0118d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q237e27267f4b4e7ae94f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qff735725131d37dbb453","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":604,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-07-04T10:20:48.284Z","text":"被告在量刑听证上加了句会上诉，可能就是防止它们这么玩。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q29dbcffd088a6fb0118d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qff735725131d37dbb453","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q29dbcffd088a6fb0118d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qc2595ad658227fc8d0e7","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":605,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-07-04T10:21:27.316Z","text":"被告可以自己上诉，不通过律师","edited":false,"reply_to":"q29dbcffd088a6fb0118d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc2595ad658227fc8d0e7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q29dbcffd088a6fb0118d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q8abd125f03c0a99cb3e5","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":606,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-07-04T10:21:35.967Z","text":"如果被告身体不适、意识混乱、监狱不让写字/不让寄信呢","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8abd125f03c0a99cb3e5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q076cdc72d722f59aba20","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":607,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-07-04T10:21:57.619Z","text":"它们会不会制造这些","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q076cdc72d722f59aba20","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q98585336432ca99e5e89","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":608,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-07-04T10:22:10.230Z","text":"真有这种可能","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q98585336432ca99e5e89","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q0f880af9aaaa510c4895","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":609,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-07-04T10:28:24.865Z","text":"如果掌控不了二巡  那就让上诉不要发生 这才是中共思维吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0f880af9aaaa510c4895","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qfa3874789035e5991b4a","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":610,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-04T10:34:43.084Z","text":"这个米兰达是咋回事？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfa3874789035e5991b4a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q7bb4a31408a36d7e1b24","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":611,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-04T11:20:58.275Z","text":"先有王认罪 整个G系列有罪，并且同意没收forfeiture\n王的没收范围窄，只涉及个人 488 (根据AI观察者“反讽”的说法，王个人涉及的是zero)\n随后王没收和郭的合并 671 720(也就是说，只有王签字同意没收，郭案才能开没收，不然应该是直接赔偿restitution)","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe17b11a3f8b54e71b0c7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7bb4a31408a36d7e1b24","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe17b11a3f8b54e71b0c7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qd958a16433f97cae7de9","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":612,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-04T11:23:10.222Z","text":"简单说：王认罪-没收-绑定郭-郭案才能走没收-破产案luc才能进来","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd958a16433f97cae7de9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q0e359e0c3eb9e538239d","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":613,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-04T11:26:03.745Z","text":"［用户 reb***］ ［用户 kir***］ \n王的两项认罪条款，顶格5年，感觉是检方做手脚了啊，和起诉书完全两码事","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0e359e0c3eb9e538239d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q769faf9292e7a2757634","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":614,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-07-04T11:27:16.729Z","text":"上面的分析说是一项5年，两项加起来10年。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0e359e0c3eb9e538239d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q769faf9292e7a2757634","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0e359e0c3eb9e538239d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q95050afd9bc3228933d1","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":615,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-07-04T11:27:43.591Z","text":"應該是從老郭簽字確認才開始計。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q44d3bb126e4883f0955c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q95050afd9bc3228933d1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q44d3bb126e4883f0955c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q72990d4031bd61f792d1","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":616,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-04T11:29:19.694Z","text":"王的S3起诉书的法条，在S4又变了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q769faf9292e7a2757634","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q72990d4031bd61f792d1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q769faf9292e7a2757634","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qb78164264a263016b895","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":617,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-04T11:29:28.601Z","text":"郭的最后起诉书，可没有变，每条还是顶格20年\n郭的还是1956h 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是吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qce52f58c0cdf7547235a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q6880df935b28968c222c","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":631,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-07-04T11:56:37.825Z","text":"喜国人被骗的倾家荡产","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6880df935b28968c222c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q7deceb558e6598aab336","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":632,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-07-04T11:56:58.398Z","text":"你投了多少","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbccf0d5f5b8e0106ca85","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7deceb558e6598aab336","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q8820c74dfaefb8bc0f33","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":633,"speaker":"_ki***","date":"2026-07-04T12:00:07.792Z","text":"他投了50块 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完美闭环","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q39e5b4370f4ad88c2c34","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q3aecd3410e2d34eb5c1d","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":637,"speaker":"_ki***","date":"2026-07-04T12:01:28.821Z","text":"很多可能是都是贷款去投的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3aecd3410e2d34eb5c1d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q3f2f76e8280fa1f10e5e","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":638,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-07-04T12:01:57.237Z","text":"简单重复一下：\n484号文件\n王的motion说了，只认两项罪，而且只涉及GTV的部分\n她签字同意的没收范围，是涉及整个G系列","edited":false,"reply_to":"q55e10b90662fe5107bcb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3f2f76e8280fa1f10e5e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q55e10b90662fe5107bcb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q7e26d50ab98df8e06650","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":639,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-04T12:02:11.075Z","text":"郭量刑后，王依然可以上诉","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4365404ccbb2c760ce78","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7e26d50ab98df8e06650","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4365404ccbb2c760ce78","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q104e3eb6925b4bb1adb1","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":640,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-07-04T12:02:37.561Z","text":"很多喜国信徒说tdccp和郭无关 我听了就想笑","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q104e3eb6925b4bb1adb1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q999e86348d87075bb1db","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":641,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-07-04T12:02:47.357Z","text":"上诉不是在说十四天内吗？她这么久还可以上诉？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q999e86348d87075bb1db","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qfbf7dca95419a3590f16","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":642,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-04T12:03:23.883Z","text":"王的没收，绑定郭\n也就是说，郭量刑后，王案才算正式了结","edited":false,"reply_to":"q999e86348d87075bb1db","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfbf7dca95419a3590f16","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q999e86348d87075bb1db","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q0cd92702b884039d2f86","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":643,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-07-04T12:03:46.973Z","text":"郭没有算到王会认罪","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0cd92702b884039d2f86","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qb0fdce8756a04b84b76a","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":644,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-07-04T12:03:51.973Z","text":"也就是说失算了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb0fdce8756a04b84b76a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q8f0b4ca735aa2e7ab69a","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":645,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-07-04T12:03:58.279Z","text":"失算就是牢底坐穿","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8f0b4ca735aa2e7ab69a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q968fe7f76580549acd4b","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":646,"speaker":"_ki***","date":"2026-07-04T12:04:08.879Z","text":"你又说错了 一切都在郭的掌控之中","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q968fe7f76580549acd4b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q337bbfe80166c697a9e9","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":647,"speaker":"_ki***","date":"2026-07-04T12:04:14.984Z","text":"他不是说了 嘛 一切才刚刚开始","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q337bbfe80166c697a9e9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q61ca311cda165ac76e19","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":648,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-07-04T12:05:05.743Z","text":"他能不能出来取决于郭有没有失算 这群里的[屏蔽词]想不明白","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q61ca311cda165ac76e19","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q06f731c605f1427a39d3","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":649,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-04T12:06:35.851Z","text":"王案的没收，在郭没量刑前，是暂停状态\n也就是说，这个案子的最终没收令，是郭量刑后，才算正式开始","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q06f731c605f1427a39d3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qc506360d070627d4833d","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":650,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-07-04T12:06:55.991Z","text":"郭也不是神人 也有被忽悠的时候 比如说拜登的事情","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc506360d070627d4833d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qfdde2420f08fde0abd78","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":651,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-07-04T12:07:38.760Z","text":"其实川普已经证明美国司法黑暗了 他没必要再去证明一次","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfdde2420f08fde0abd78","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q068dd4e273e9e0cd32a6","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":652,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-07-04T12:07:49.832Z","text":"证明就算了 把信徒都坑了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q068dd4e273e9e0cd32a6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qb9439d97a29d5b8a2af8","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":653,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-04T12:08:40.224Z","text":"看上面图，她签字认罪的不是5，和6只GTV部分而整个系列的欺诈和洗钱，她事后再自己发motion没用吧？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3f52ffb03255ec5983c3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb9439d97a29d5b8a2af8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3f52ffb03255ec5983c3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qc2082a9403cdf900f90d","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":654,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-07-04T12:08:47.373Z","text":"没收就没收了 多大点事 为喜国牺牲点身外之物 都是值得的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc2082a9403cdf900f90d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qc27d8e0d6e6eeb05e86e","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":655,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-04T12:09:36.091Z","text":"怕是给上诉，留后路","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb9439d97a29d5b8a2af8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc27d8e0d6e6eeb05e86e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb9439d97a29d5b8a2af8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q162d7ebb2f7429dd5479","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":656,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-04T12:10:09.726Z","text":"可能是郭GTV被判无罪后，她又想改口了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q55e10b90662fe5107bcb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q162d7ebb2f7429dd5479","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q55e10b90662fe5107bcb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qdf57e6360ca59d9d36f8","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":657,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-04T12:11:26.847Z","text":"郭陪审团定罪在前，那时候GTV已经无罪，只差量刑确认","edited":false,"reply_to":"q162d7ebb2f7429dd5479","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdf57e6360ca59d9d36f8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q162d7ebb2f7429dd5479","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q67576b23e83657ffebbd","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":658,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-04T12:12:57.770Z","text":"王的律师对量刑的答辩，强调她focused mainly on GTV\n按当时的语境，似乎是等郭量刑后，给她上诉铺路","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q67576b23e83657ffebbd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q7a7e286aa453caa6057d","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":659,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-04T12:14:52.331Z","text":"我昨天 发了，前面纽约Ligon那个案子，二巡收到申请一个月加一周才裁决，从地区法院裁决 到二巡裁决3个月","edited":false,"reply_to":"q34e54ab0044c70a9b170","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7a7e286aa453caa6057d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qb374a46f715be781b267","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":660,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-07-04T12:19:33.816Z","text":"玩双刀搞迷惑嘴上淡化、纸上认账","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb374a46f715be781b267","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qdcf94143392c4c42c1b8","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":661,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-04T12:22:46.787Z","text":"王本人的 right, title and interes 有$1.4B?她本人哪来这么多钱？ 事实是14亿全没收了，都是投资人的钱，为什么她只签她本人的，没收却没收了全部投资人的？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe17b11a3f8b54e71b0c7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdcf94143392c4c42c1b8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe17b11a3f8b54e71b0c7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q74e0d9c4532d579aaeb5","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":662,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-04T12:24:18.553Z","text":"王同意没收，但她本人的，可能真的只有zero\n检方随后把她的没收，再绑定郭案\n这样郭案对财产的处理方式，直接进入了没收，而不是赔偿","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdcf94143392c4c42c1b8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q74e0d9c4532d579aaeb5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdcf94143392c4c42c1b8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qa0fdbbbba948a88bdd27","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":663,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-04T12:25:55.371Z","text":"这就是做局，下套嘛","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa0fdbbbba948a88bdd27","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q3d0ac3233732eea6337d","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":664,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-04T12:28:54.665Z","text":"关键她只认没收她本人的但是检方没收了全部投资人的啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3d0ac3233732eea6337d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qc82f7a38d5cf34c6600b","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":665,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-04T12:34:36.285Z","text":"文字游戏啊\n一开始王量刑，只能没收属于她的部分\n然后根据她的认罪，推定到G系列都涉及诈骗\n随后把她的没收，绑定到郭案\n郭是涉及整个G系列，所以郭案没收范围，就涵盖了所有","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3d0ac3233732eea6337d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc82f7a38d5cf34c6600b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3d0ac3233732eea6337d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qede359de507ac2c33f8b","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":666,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-04T12:41:28.376Z","text":"简诉：两条线是联动的\n王认罪-整个G系列诈骗\n王同意没收（涉及范围窄）-绑定郭案开启没收（涉及范围是整个G系列，基于王认罪和alter ego)","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qede359de507ac2c33f8b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q017d002d575cb917ae11","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":667,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-04T12:48:11.466Z","text":"中间的671 720合并没收，这是演戏啊\n目的是把郭案财产的处理方式，钉死成没收，替代直接赔偿\nTMD都是演员，还有量刑后王的诉苦，装可怜，陈述个人经历，都是演，还演成了青苍口中的英雄🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q017d002d575cb917ae11","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q5a15293cf34afca4f414","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":668,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-04T12:56:07.352Z","text":"长岛那里已经说她是英雄了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q017d002d575cb917ae11","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5a15293cf34afca4f414","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q017d002d575cb917ae11","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q67d85fa94589c7bb1d46","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":669,"speaker":"xue***","date":"2026-07-04T13:00:39.481Z","text":"王啪啪是英雄这话最早是郭说的、3.15后长岛和几个演员在一起直播长岛忽然接到电话，开的是免提！听到的声音确实是像郭的声音。原话是知道他们在一起直播很高兴等等～然后说王是英雄战友们别去指责王！那时都知道王己经认罪","edited":false,"reply_to":"q017d002d575cb917ae11","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q67d85fa94589c7bb1d46","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q017d002d575cb917ae11","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qd9a909c90c5640198248","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":670,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-04T13:05:09.231Z","text":"目前郭来电，只有进去后第一次和长岛通话，是真，经过律师确认","edited":false,"reply_to":"q67d85fa94589c7bb1d46","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd9a909c90c5640198248","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q67d85fa94589c7bb1d46","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q331b3b7376ac5d5bc67e","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":671,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-04T13:05:37.189Z","text":"之后的，都没有经过律师确认","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q331b3b7376ac5d5bc67e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q9dde6de747b34dba2274","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":672,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-04T13:06:03.953Z","text":"假来电，从长岛延续到青","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9dde6de747b34dba2274","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q5038472e7cd48f15659b","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":673,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-04T13:06:25.717Z","text":"目前还有支持长岛的，这部分不是蠢，是真的坏","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5038472e7cd48f15659b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q971155a60543d27144aa","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":674,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-04T13:40:08.242Z","text":"这个问题如何能有效的呈现在法庭文件中？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q017d002d575cb917ae11","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q971155a60543d27144aa","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q017d002d575cb917ae11","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qd5eb2e8a10d6716c958c","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":675,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-04T13:44:28.701Z","text":"https://x.com/Kk26400689/status/2073240157600247991?s=20","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd5eb2e8a10d6716c958c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qc4be252746a4745a4594","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":676,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-04T13:44:46.663Z","text":"不知道KK 是谁","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc4be252746a4745a4594","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qe2af4e68ee32b053c400","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":677,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-04T13:44:59.503Z","text":"但是说的有没有道理？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe2af4e68ee32b053c400","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qb3c79d427394957b39d5","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":678,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-04T13:45:11.074Z","text":"王同意没收 有问题\n她自己承认，具体涉及的，是GTV 1亿转款\n其他几个项目资金，她没有理由决定如何处理","edited":false,"reply_to":"q971155a60543d27144aa","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb3c79d427394957b39d5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q971155a60543d27144aa","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qb143c203668b4896e827","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":679,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-04T13:50:35.525Z","text":"明白。但是如何让二巡法官知道这里面的套？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb3c79d427394957b39d5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb143c203668b4896e827","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb3c79d427394957b39d5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q0ce747b1bee1e4455290","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":680,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-04T13:51:29.665Z","text":"现在的问题不是王艳萍决定如何没收， 是南区检察官决定没收的范围","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0ce747b1bee1e4455290","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qa4491475ad36769b2b89","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":681,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-07-04T13:51:30.080Z","text":"Kk 就是小羊团伙啊一条狗、伪君子，它讲的大部分都有道理，关健时刻挖坑。它一般不讲粗口、不与人吵架，也不拉黑人，所以我总是说它就是一个伪君子。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc4be252746a4745a4594","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa4491475ad36769b2b89","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc4be252746a4745a4594","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q96cfaeda54ada873c0e6","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":682,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-04T13:54:16.937Z","text":"看来中文媒体/人 可能都是套儿， 一不小心就掉进去了。这也是我从来不看他们的直播/跟帖 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就意义重大了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2948a4c2ec36c0ae531e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q79768d1c4f4cd85f4595","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2948a4c2ec36c0ae531e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q8ce82914e40b17fa369d","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":692,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-04T14:11:22.374Z","text":"这不就是猪贝贝和 ［用户 joh***］ [删节：成员身份]一直说的吗","edited":true,"reply_to":"q2224019840f94ae84b0c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ce82914e40b17fa369d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2224019840f94ae84b0c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q81ab75724c5b3df8b85c","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":693,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-04T14:11:38.201Z","text":"王艳平是中共间谍。没有证据的指控王是中共间谍，你和写受害者陈述那些人，就是一样的。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q81ab75724c5b3df8b85c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q4b280725782e25f32ad6","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":694,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-04T14:11:52.455Z","text":"不但是党员，而且是活跃的党员，而且是在海外多年仍然努力保持党的组织生活的忠诚党员，这个很关键","edited":false,"reply_to":"qea9468ae00208eaebdec","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4b280725782e25f32ad6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea9468ae00208eaebdec","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q452a289479d0c735cd0d","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":695,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-04T14:11:55.504Z","text":"王说这些是谣言","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q452a289479d0c735cd0d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q5ac44ebf9f23d26957d0","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":696,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-04T14:12:03.456Z","text":"谁写二巡文件的时候加上去！ 就可以多个人 指正这个","edited":false,"reply_to":"q00027ca47ccae7c3f8d9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5ac44ebf9f23d26957d0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q00027ca47ccae7c3f8d9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qee2ee5b41e62f66282ec","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":697,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-04T14:13:09.851Z","text":"哪句话说了王受雇于郭的心理状态？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q124c182ada07b0a8aeb1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qee2ee5b41e62f66282ec","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q124c182ada07b0a8aeb1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q327308180ab1020b448c","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":698,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-04T14:13:19.948Z","text":"ANNA上次写了她，是多少号文件来着？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q327308180ab1020b448c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q7032612c8e1b298f54a4","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":699,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-04T14:14:07.507Z","text":"应该是蒋的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7032612c8e1b298f54a4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q6e72231374159505e5b8","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":700,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-04T14:14:25.079Z","text":"二巡26-1192","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6e72231374159505e5b8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q414ebf5ed8f995696d0e","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":701,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-07-04T14:14:26.003Z","text":"https://x.com/dobermanusa7/status/2073400639179092234?s=12&t=eXMPp66CZUFD_7vvMedcSA","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q414ebf5ed8f995696d0e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qb3cada098c5c967ca302","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":702,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-07-04T14:14:34.925Z","text":"第三页涂黑的那一段下面。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qee2ee5b41e62f66282ec","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb3cada098c5c967ca302","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qee2ee5b41e62f66282ec","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q4de694b52d9227fd813b","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":703,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-04T14:17:40.045Z","text":"这个谁在二巡文件中写上去， 再引用26-1192 \n\n再把她自己说的活跃的共产党员这个东西放上去","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4b280725782e25f32ad6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4de694b52d9227fd813b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4b280725782e25f32ad6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qdc03e814cf5f5fc510a9","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":704,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-04T14:18:05.559Z","text":"需要把这个案子，按时间线各个方面全部的问题，从报假案开始到量刑，整理成一个完整的报告","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5ac44ebf9f23d26957d0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdc03e814cf5f5fc510a9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5ac44ebf9f23d26957d0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qe87773b4845f04206455","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":705,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-04T14:19:18.742Z","text":"看到了。但是王是受雇于郭吗？郭给她钱了？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb3cada098c5c967ca302","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe87773b4845f04206455","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb3cada098c5c967ca302","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qce18c9386de439be2a75","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":706,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-04T14:20:09.301Z","text":"王的工资不是g系列出的吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qce18c9386de439be2a75","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qfa76feb0e125c9594a10","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":707,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-04T14:20:32.570Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] \n王认罪，同意没收，而涉及她自己的部分，主要在GTV\n而Tony的卷宗，可以推翻这个没收的，主权冲突仍然在\n目前郭已经量刑，即使GTV无罪，但郭的没收清单，还是有GTV，只是不算在郭案涉案金额里\n也就是说，王案Tony的主权冲突，还在，之前群里的讨论，方向没有错","edited":true,"reply_to":"qea9468ae00208eaebdec","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfa76feb0e125c9594a10","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea9468ae00208eaebdec","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q8a345b5b4444152157e8","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":708,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-04T14:21:31.265Z","text":"其实王的量刑就是有问题的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8a345b5b4444152157e8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q99a5a98ac2bc49cbce2e","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":709,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-07-04T14:21:39.073Z","text":"在政府叙事里，不说是托雷斯，正常的法官都会认为是郭，王也是在表达这个意思。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe87773b4845f04206455","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q99a5a98ac2bc49cbce2e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe87773b4845f04206455","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q32f51b1a6180e4c5271b","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":710,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-04T14:21:44.707Z","text":"王的律师说的这些，本来是有道理的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q32f51b1a6180e4c5271b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q6d67c063b69ccd244cc7","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":711,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-04T14:21:54.266Z","text":"但是法官根本不管","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6d67c063b69ccd244cc7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qf643b79ce4643718aaa2","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":712,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-07-04T14:22:10.745Z","text":"859，补充初步没收令，还有gtv?","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfa76feb0e125c9594a10","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf643b79ce4643718aaa2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfa76feb0e125c9594a10","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q99d20a6a0eb6892f7712","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":713,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-04T14:22:13.760Z","text":"因为她已经认罪了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q99d20a6a0eb6892f7712","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q95102fa32ef24b7e017b","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":714,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-04T14:22:55.888Z","text":"补充只有增加了几个实体，没有说删除GTV","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf643b79ce4643718aaa2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q95102fa32ef24b7e017b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf643b79ce4643718aaa2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q8cc09ab522f212875599","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":715,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-04T14:23:28.558Z","text":"目前应该还有人在准备二巡强制令， 个人觉得 王艳萍没收范围这个套儿绝对可以成为一个点给二巡 \n要讲得简单 易懂","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8cc09ab522f212875599","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qc9c8818d3dd3c832d79d","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":716,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-04T14:23:34.701Z","text":"GTV不是从金钱判决里减出去了，还是要没收？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfa76feb0e125c9594a10","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc9c8818d3dd3c832d79d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfa76feb0e125c9594a10","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q5fa7bb3f8c35d9f7557b","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":717,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-04T14:23:35.371Z","text":"看来猪贝贝不是第一个指控王是间谍的人，之前受害者陈述就有人指控王是间谍了🤪","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5fa7bb3f8c35d9f7557b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q0d0360dc92cdd6de1d3c","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":718,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-04T14:23:51.978Z","text":"是的\n没收范围依旧是整个G系列，1.3B，没有变\n只是GTV的4亿，不算在郭的刑期","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc9c8818d3dd3c832d79d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0d0360dc92cdd6de1d3c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc9c8818d3dd3c832d79d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q0664f9207c1349e5221a","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":719,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-04T14:23:58.141Z","text":"王的行为也很奇怪","edited":false,"reply_to":"q99a5a98ac2bc49cbce2e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0664f9207c1349e5221a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q99a5a98ac2bc49cbce2e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qd3f4abe5086649a7b27d","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":720,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-07-04T14:24:53.024Z","text":"那托雷斯完全是无法无天了。它是不是自己都不知道自己在干什么呢！","edited":false,"reply_to":"q95102fa32ef24b7e017b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd3f4abe5086649a7b27d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q95102fa32ef24b7e017b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q4d292e1d7a2bd71de0d6","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":721,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-04T14:25:21.196Z","text":"她也是糊涂了晕了\n被检方 辩方 架在火上烤","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd3f4abe5086649a7b27d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4d292e1d7a2bd71de0d6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd3f4abe5086649a7b27d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q632ac38327bac084f1da","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":722,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-04T14:27:10.017Z","text":"王估计自己认为自己是受雇于郭的，因为她在盘古的时候就是郭的下属","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q632ac38327bac084f1da","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q19c4e58c57fdc5d86db4","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":723,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-04T14:28:02.439Z","text":"但实际上，她在g系列里，不一定是受雇于郭的。她为了认罪，只能说她是受雇于郭。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q19c4e58c57fdc5d86db4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qad765eb35f9d5ae55fa5","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":724,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-07-04T14:30:18.937Z","text":"但是858对郭的资产没收令，是把除gtv之外的全部投资金额，作为金钱判决金额，然后把剩下的全部g系列资产作为郭的犯罪所得没收，被那些灭共演员吞掉的部分，还要没收郭的个人财产来补充。它们面上要圆的话，是想再改一次起诉书，再加一个共谋协议，说王跟于在gtv上共谋？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4d292e1d7a2bd71de0d6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qad765eb35f9d5ae55fa5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4d292e1d7a2bd71de0d6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q355503917cc01636357e","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":725,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-04T14:30:38.267Z","text":"郭的律师也承认王和余是郭的左右手啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q355503917cc01636357e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qba7caec02835cc353739","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":726,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-04T14:30:53.820Z","text":"所以逻辑闭环了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qba7caec02835cc353739","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qd4d2056cf6311305ca57","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":727,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-07-04T14:32:17.294Z","text":"郭是rico的boss，boss在gtv上都无罪，其副手在gtv上有罪！这托雷斯跟自诉人杠，把自己的思维都整乱了！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd4d2056cf6311305ca57","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q8239eeeddc2e583865d6","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":728,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-04T14:33:16.472Z","text":"王是自己认罪的，她认了所有的罪，只罚了她两项。她不知道陪审团会判gtv无罪","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd4d2056cf6311305ca57","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8239eeeddc2e583865d6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd4d2056cf6311305ca57","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q5eb7284213c5d51fdeb6","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":729,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-04T14:34:06.730Z","text":"你自己认罪的话，就算陪审团后来判gtv无罪，现在也晚了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5eb7284213c5d51fdeb6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q208ce42861ae504f9f96","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":730,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-07-04T14:34:12.869Z","text":"只认了两项。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8239eeeddc2e583865d6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q208ce42861ae504f9f96","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8239eeeddc2e583865d6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q51410f4350608c05f81f","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":731,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-04T14:35:46.761Z","text":"无论怎么样，因为现在王承认郭是boss，郭的律师也说王是郭的左手，逻辑上郭就是boss，这个案子没什么翻案余地。除非有重大程序不正义。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q51410f4350608c05f81f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qa31898d284bb7420a4bd","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":732,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-04T14:35:49.466Z","text":"是这意思 \nGTV的黑锅，给了王","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd4d2056cf6311305ca57","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa31898d284bb7420a4bd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd4d2056cf6311305ca57","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qfb42552773a234242333","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":733,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-04T14:37:01.721Z","text":"还有一个可能就是，郭说他的前律师，辩护无效","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfb42552773a234242333","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q3057b2c422eed0989747","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":734,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-07-04T14:42:26.221Z","text":"先是Gtv卸给王跟于，这个地方可能是翻案的起点，执意没收gtv，政府是在主动自己先把自己的叙事撕开一道口子。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa31898d284bb7420a4bd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3057b2c422eed0989747","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa31898d284bb7420a4bd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q1ce1a097faa918c068f2","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":735,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-04T14:51:56.936Z","text":"他们感觉也很怕Tony\n［用户 kir***］","edited":true,"reply_to":"q3057b2c422eed0989747","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1ce1a097faa918c068f2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3057b2c422eed0989747","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qe4e3773e2be76d296742","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":736,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-04T14:52:42.541Z","text":"大可能这个群潜伏的，会给检方通风报信🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe4e3773e2be76d296742","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qdf57cc32ff4dfa4115ed","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":737,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-04T14:52:53.803Z","text":"也怕Tony这事儿，真的会引起主权冲突","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdf57cc32ff4dfa4115ed","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qb30e731a5f22272ddff2","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":738,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-07-04T14:59:03.833Z","text":"所谓的共谋认罪与事实不符，那这个事情得调查，是王为了某种目的虚假认罪妨碍司法，还是跟于在共谋？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb30e731a5f22272ddff2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qced0c7ff6cf9a1725d8f","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":739,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-07-04T15:00:41.166Z","text":"如果是跟于在共谋，却说郭是boss，那也是虚假陈述妨碍司法。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qced0c7ff6cf9a1725d8f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q91167919019a298056b1","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":740,"speaker":"sug***","date":"2026-07-04T15:01:17.529Z","text":"https://x.com/percy43508644/status/2073317926610841899?s=12","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q91167919019a298056b1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q6cf2bc94433a2169ffc9","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":741,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-04T15:07:21.266Z","text":"是这意思","edited":false,"reply_to":"qced0c7ff6cf9a1725d8f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6cf2bc94433a2169ffc9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qced0c7ff6cf9a1725d8f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q9ea801630af348e32f7e","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":742,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-04T15:08:56.232Z","text":"刚刚想明白了一个问题！ Q may 这波打那个女人的行动， 100% 是为了配合检方/给他们递刀子，说新中国联邦是邪教组织！ \n\n你们看着吧， 由于现在战场挪到了二巡， 检方要有东西攻击咱们， 二巡的文件里绝对反驳了检方的cult 邪教这一说法","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ea801630af348e32f7e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q550099238ccd71906adf","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":743,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-04T15:09:49.758Z","text":"希望大家广为传播， 揭露Q燕子的阴谋","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q550099238ccd71906adf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q2182c1123a68ed6ffdce","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":744,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-04T15:10:40.676Z","text":"［用户 him***］ [删节：成员身份] 这是在打配合\n把自诉的 和青们 混一起\n成为随后的攻击靶子\nhttps://x.com/anxiaodong777/status/2073340012930691137?s=46","edited":true,"reply_to":"q9ea801630af348e32f7e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2182c1123a68ed6ffdce","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ea801630af348e32f7e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q443ff6553f7e66ecfefb","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":745,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-04T15:11:17.959Z","text":"有可能","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9ea801630af348e32f7e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q443ff6553f7e66ecfefb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ea801630af348e32f7e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q990333e3249bd46b17ec","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":746,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-04T15:12:11.091Z","text":"但是自诉人代表自己个人，也不听从于新中国联邦","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q990333e3249bd46b17ec","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qde7f2ed91d18086c1626","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":747,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-04T15:12:51.002Z","text":"那些在二巡写了联盟农场欺诈的， 可以主动把这个写上去：\n\n郭在MDC，没有能力反驳的情况下，被他们陷害 ….","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2182c1123a68ed6ffdce","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qde7f2ed91d18086c1626","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2182c1123a68ed6ffdce","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q32837ebd62ba28cbfcd8","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":748,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-04T15:13:06.288Z","text":"变被动为主动","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q32837ebd62ba28cbfcd8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q51ec508cc5a40f07573b","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":749,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-04T15:16:12.679Z","text":"不是。是检方要他们打配合。如果我没记错， 检方在629就要了cult 这个词， 其目的是打击所有支持者， 给他们的非法没收、受害人定义框架坍塌，8000 多人支持辩方 打掩护","edited":false,"reply_to":"q990333e3249bd46b17ec","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q51ec508cc5a40f07573b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q990333e3249bd46b17ec","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q573f771589409f198930","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":750,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-04T15:17:13.427Z","text":"这个阴谋必须拆穿他们。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q573f771589409f198930","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q93d6060e3d59223fe8a8","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":751,"speaker":"sug***","date":"2026-07-04T15:17:15.384Z","text":"一盘棋，从打击郭先生，接着沉船【新中国联邦】这个实体，再追查到具体的每个个体用RICO，一套行云流水流程下来。大家要行动起来，自救。\n他们那些在台上整天吧唧吧唧嘴裹挟新中国联邦的是与检方签了免罪协议的。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q93d6060e3d59223fe8a8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q1ec799f6a09de7e160cc","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":752,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-04T15:18:53.547Z","text":"检方现在解释不了： 为什么你的受害人都跑到辩方去了？ 给他们按上一个cult 的罪名不就好解释了吗。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1ec799f6a09de7e160cc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q863bcc52f90e6813745f","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":753,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-04T15:19:46.593Z","text":"法庭已经排除gtv没收了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3057b2c422eed0989747","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q863bcc52f90e6813745f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3057b2c422eed0989747","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q3d3c965ea967d438a40a","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":754,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-04T15:20:17.360Z","text":"所以这一波疯狂操作 就是要把这些人打成cult /网暴准备的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3d3c965ea967d438a40a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q4f7ea7fed2e7b32e131c","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":755,"speaker":"sug***","date":"2026-07-04T15:20:52.792Z","text":"但，王艳平是因为GTV入的十年罪啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"q863bcc52f90e6813745f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f7ea7fed2e7b32e131c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q863bcc52f90e6813745f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q111f6b5909fc12fb84c0","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":756,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-04T15:20:54.195Z","text":"郭的律师也说王和余是郭的左右手啊，辩方都承认了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qced0c7ff6cf9a1725d8f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q111f6b5909fc12fb84c0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qced0c7ff6cf9a1725d8f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q96b35f538e7786454d59","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":757,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-07-04T15:21:09.666Z","text":"你们什么时候二巡打败联盟","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q96b35f538e7786454d59","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q19d830843ecdaa486d65","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":758,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-07-04T15:24:05.060Z","text":"是左右手，但不是让你去干坏事。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q111f6b5909fc12fb84c0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q19d830843ecdaa486d65","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q111f6b5909fc12fb84c0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q470869dddcb093d3b053","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":759,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-04T15:25:00.059Z","text":"在美国联邦刑事程序中，如果一名共同被告认罪，而后来另一名共同被告经陪审团审判被判无罪，或者某些所谓“犯罪所得”后来被排除在没收范围之外，认罪并不会自动失效或被撤销。\n关键取决于后来发生了什么，以及法院作出相关认定的具体理由。\n1. 如果共同被告已经认罪并在法庭上宣誓承认事实\n通常情况下，认罪仍然有效。\n即使出现以下情况：\n另一名共同被告后来获得无罪判决；\n陪审团对另一名参与者作出不同结论；\n另一名被告在相同或相关指控上被判无罪；\n已经作出的认罪通常不会因此自动失效。\n美国法院长期以来承认，在刑事案件中，不同被告出现看似矛盾的结果是可能发生的。不同的证据、不同的程序阶段以及不同的事实承认，都可能导致不同结果。\n例如：\n被告A认罪并承认自己实施了电信诈骗；\n被告B选择审判，最终被判无罪。\n通常情况下，被告A的定罪仍然有效，因为该定罪建立在A本人自愿作出的认罪和事实承认之上。\n2. 如果陪审团实际上认定相关行为并未发生\n这种情况就更值得关注。\n例如：\n被告A承认参与了某项诈骗计划（Scheme X）；\n被告B选择接受陪审团审判；\n陪审团后来认定该诈骗计划根本不存在，或者相关交易并不构成欺诈。\n这种结果确实会与A的认罪形成冲突，但并不会自动撤销A的定罪。\n此时，A通常需要通过以下途径寻求救济：\n直接上诉；\n根据《美国法典》第28编第2255条提出动议；\n或其他定罪后救济程序；\n并且需要证明，后来的事实认定已经实质性动摇了其认罪所依据的事实基础（factual basis）。\n法院通常不会仅仅因为其他程序产生了不同结果，就自动撤销已经生效的认罪。\n3. 如果所谓“犯罪所得”被排除出没收范围\n这是一个相对独立的问题。\n刑事没收要求政府证明相关财产：\n属于犯罪所得（proceeds）；或者\n依法属于可没收财产。\n如果法院后来认定某些资金不是可没收的犯罪所得，可能出现以下几种情况：\nA. 定罪仍然有效\n这是最常见的情况：\n刑事定罪维持不变；\n没收金额被减少；\n财产被解除没收或返还。\n没收问题与定罪问题并不完全相同。\nB. 可能削弱政府部分理论\n如果法院明确认定：\n“这些资金根本不是犯罪活动产生的所得。”\n那么被告可能在后续程序中主张：\n认罪所依据的事实基础存在问题；\n政府关于犯罪收益的核心理论存在缺陷。\n但这种主张是否成功，取决于法院认定的具体范围和措辞。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4f7ea7fed2e7b32e131c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q470869dddcb093d3b053","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f7ea7fed2e7b32e131c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qf21f17fa68f845887aa8","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":760,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-04T15:26:41.129Z","text":"因为这是Rico案，如果你承认了郭是boss，郭就要承担一切责任","edited":false,"reply_to":"q19d830843ecdaa486d65","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf21f17fa68f845887aa8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q19d830843ecdaa486d65","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qda1b0567c057adc44068","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":761,"speaker":"sug***","date":"2026-07-04T15:28:05.087Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] “……取决于法院认定的具体范围和措辞”\n———————-\n从对郭先生的判决来看，还有法吗？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qda1b0567c057adc44068","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q6e00f1128fe94a45eb2b","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":762,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-07-04T15:29:52.120Z","text":"本来就没法","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6e00f1128fe94a45eb2b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q6bd77cfbd8397b08aef3","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":763,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-07-04T15:30:02.226Z","text":"只是你自己认为有法","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6bd77cfbd8397b08aef3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q5ce042705df1d6a119cb","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":764,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-04T15:31:12.811Z","text":"如果你的问题是：\n“假设未来法院在没收程序、853(n)程序、第三方权利程序或其他后续程序中作出某些有利于郭文贵的事实认定，那么从目前郭先生已经被陪审团定罪、即将或已经被判刑的情况来看，还存在法律救济空间吗？”\n答案是：理论上存在，但门槛极高。\n原因在于，目前郭面临的不是认罪案件，而是经过陪审团审判后的有罪裁决。陪审团的有罪裁决在美国司法体系中具有极强的稳定性。\n一般来说，后续程序中的有利认定分为几个层次：\n第一层：仅影响财产权归属\n例如853(n)程序认定：\n某笔资产属于第三方；\n某笔资产不属于郭先生；\n某笔资产不能被没收。\n这种情况通常只影响财产处理。\n通常不会推翻：\n有罪裁决；\n判刑；\n定罪本身。\n第二层：影响没收范围\n例如法院认定：\n某部分资金并非犯罪所得；\n政府无法完成资金追踪；\n某些投资款与犯罪行为不存在足够联系。\n这种情况可能：\n减少没收金额；\n影响部分赔偿计算；\n但通常仍不足以推翻整个定罪。\n因为陪审团认定的是犯罪成立，而不是每一美元都必须被证明为犯罪所得。\n第三层：动摇政府核心事实理论\n这是最重要的一层。\n假设未来出现法院认定：\n某些关键投资项目实际上真实存在；\n某些关键陈述实际上并非虚假；\n某些被政府视为“诈骗所得”的资金实际上具有合法基础；\n那么就会开始触及陪审团定罪所依赖的核心事实。\n但即便如此，也不会自动推翻定罪。\n仍然需要通过：\n直接上诉；\nRule 33 新审判动议（若符合时限和条件）；\n28 U.S.C. § 2255；\n其他特殊救济程序；\n来证明这些新发现足以动摇陪审团裁决。\n第四层：证明政府核心叙事存在根本错误\n这是最极端的情况。\n例如后续程序形成明确司法记录表明：\n政府在审判中认定为虚假的关键事实实际上是真实的；\n政府认定为犯罪所得的大部分资金实际上具有合法来源；\n陪审团裁决所依赖的重要事实基础出现重大错误。\n这种情况才可能真正触及定罪基础。\n但即使如此，美国法院也不会简单说：\n“后来发现有问题，所以定罪自动失效。”\n而是要经过专门程序重新审查。\n就郭案件目前公开情况而言，如果仅从已经公开的陪审团定罪结果来看：\n政府赢得了审判；\n陪审团作出了有罪裁决；\n法院接受了裁决；\n因此法律上存在较强的推定认为定罪有效。\n但是，美国法律并不存在“完全没有法了”的概念。\n只要未来出现新的证据、新的司法认定、政府未披露证据（如符合相关标准）、或足以动摇定罪基础的后续事实，理论上仍然存在上诉和定罪后救济渠道。\n真正关键的问题不是“还有没有法”，而是：\n未来形成的司法认定，究竟只是影响资产归属和没收范围，还是已经直接冲击了陪审团认定有罪的核心事实基础。\n两者之间的法律意义差别非常大。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qda1b0567c057adc44068","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5ce042705df1d6a119cb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qda1b0567c057adc44068","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q2b47463f862f1f6d0790","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":765,"speaker":"sug***","date":"2026-07-04T15:33:10.075Z","text":"已发生的事件，这是既定的事实。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2b47463f862f1f6d0790","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q2f0a8ba604bceb7fac3c","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":766,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-04T15:34:56.916Z","text":"像不像郭当时保释，长岛组织债权人去抗议？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3d3c965ea967d438a40a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2f0a8ba604bceb7fac3c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3d3c965ea967d438a40a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qf38cc1a489f09260991f","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":767,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-04T15:36:10.672Z","text":"郭案翻案有几种途径：\n\n1. 重大程序不正义，可以推翻陪审团裁决\n2. 重大新证据，证明郭是无辜的，或者被陷害\n3. 律师无效辩护","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf38cc1a489f09260991f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q9c93e9cd0873828c2fd8","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":768,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-04T15:36:57.865Z","text":"Tony 王案 就是重点","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9c93e9cd0873828c2fd8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qc45d273136368e296ce5","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":769,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-04T15:37:16.275Z","text":"郭自己也说过，翻案最后就是\n1. 有新证人出来作证\n2. 程序不正义\n3. 共产党陷害他的文件出现","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc45d273136368e296ce5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qcd4e3bd1e1e546454bac","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":770,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-07-04T15:38:44.868Z","text":"羊帮跟Q帮干起来啦  没啥好事 都是屎","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcd4e3bd1e1e546454bac","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qa3d654adfb59aeb114dd","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":771,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-04T15:39:16.648Z","text":"这不是王说自己是党员那一段吗\n\nhttps://x.com/mubeitech/status/2073375607509979257/video/1?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa3d654adfb59aeb114dd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q82f1da023b7d2cb87697","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":772,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-07-04T15:40:11.697Z","text":"kk没记错的话 是不是羊帮骨干？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q82f1da023b7d2cb87697","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qc09f34e30e7dd18ce961","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":773,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-04T15:41:42.266Z","text":"即使王是共产党员，也不等于她是间谍，或者她要害郭，这些指控需要证据","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc09f34e30e7dd18ce961","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qfa618d021721f1afe3a3","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":774,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-04T15:42:06.993Z","text":"郭案翻案需要的是证据，不是猜测，也不是造谣","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfa618d021721f1afe3a3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qdf2cdcad8aa7dc00dd05","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":775,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-04T15:50:59.325Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 不让说，就继续说\nTony卷宗的投资款“危害国家安全罪”，很多进了GTV投资，而目前这部分钱，经过王案没收，郭案量刑，被确认是诈骗，被美政府没收","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdf2cdcad8aa7dc00dd05","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q63f58907f9e8f1aabcc7","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":776,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-04T15:54:00.624Z","text":"如果有人有什么新的证据，可以证明共产党迫害G系列，可以独立提交法庭。国内的人找不到律师，可以自诉。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q63f58907f9e8f1aabcc7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qd9526faaffa5811c948c","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":777,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-04T15:55:22.318Z","text":"现在很多人把注意力转移到骂美国，骂美国司法，骂法官，骂亨特拜登，这些根本对案子无用","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd9526faaffa5811c948c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qf01bf7a7e2f738e40f2c","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":778,"speaker":"sug***","date":"2026-07-04T15:55:34.997Z","text":"个人认为不应一竹篙打翻一船人，应取其精华，去除糟粕。认可其陈述的事实部份，去除其情绪个人观点部份。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q82f1da023b7d2cb87697","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf01bf7a7e2f738e40f2c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q82f1da023b7d2cb87697","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q296dd4df63a0d1ed0b26","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":779,"speaker":"sug***","date":"2026-07-04T15:58:25.691Z","text":"“郭案翻案需要的是证据，不是猜测，也不是造谣”  对👍🏻，您这个观点说得在理。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfa618d021721f1afe3a3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q296dd4df63a0d1ed0b26","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfa618d021721f1afe3a3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qbf392434be65ee590018","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":780,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-04T15:59:14.052Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 别闹了，法盲🤣 \n有Tony在，王案同意没收，无效\n郭案能不能开启没收，没了同案犯的条例参考，要重审\n还是之前说的，王案垮，案子全要完","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbf392434be65ee590018","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q0c0d01d516d39f5a5e19","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":781,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-04T16:00:51.657Z","text":"没有人在二巡猜测， 即使我们不用推理 二巡法官也会有相关问题， 比如王认罪了， 怎么解释？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q296dd4df63a0d1ed0b26","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0c0d01d516d39f5a5e19","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q296dd4df63a0d1ed0b26","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qfe539b4e1d9490a1e96d","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":782,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-04T16:02:01.721Z","text":"除了这里的人，没有谈王案的\n包括 [删节：隐私信息] 她是在带偏🤣","edited":true,"reply_to":"q0c0d01d516d39f5a5e19","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfe539b4e1d9490a1e96d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0c0d01d516d39f5a5e19","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qc737a507cb8865107e1a","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":783,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-04T16:02:07.432Z","text":"二巡会过问案件的具体问题吗？ 在上诉阶段我们还把注意力放在案情上还有意义吗？ [删节：成员身份]","edited":true,"reply_to":"q0c0d01d516d39f5a5e19","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc737a507cb8865107e1a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0c0d01d516d39f5a5e19","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q5e456da8d6247728930a","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":784,"speaker":"sug***","date":"2026-07-04T16:02:09.038Z","text":"我都没进联盟群资格🤣，2024年联盟群重建重组时，联盟的链接对我是无效的，直接就封锁了我。\n我虽不在羊群里，压根也不知道还有个羊群，但建议我们的真战友们不要排斥彼此，大家都是战友，目的一致，只是大家观点不同，可吸收汲取各种观点，有很多高手，令人茅塞顿开的看法，有独辟蹊径的观点，学习是一个探索的过程，我们大家取最大值以汇聚形成一股合力，对抗和击溃我们共同的黑暗势力。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc62f8ed4eff69198f7ad","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5e456da8d6247728930a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q379373d77684838258c6","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":785,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-04T16:02:20.426Z","text":"所以二巡法庭文件说， 她认了罪 被陪审团发现无罪 但是为什么不申请保释/无罪释放？ 一年多了 她等什么","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q379373d77684838258c6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q5d08d718930bae92445a","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":786,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-04T16:03:15.920Z","text":"法律这个东西都是有逻辑的。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d08d718930bae92445a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q3e2075c574eea41f4d8c","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":787,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-04T16:03:53.622Z","text":"就像现在，检方如何解释8000受害人跑到辩方去了？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3e2075c574eea41f4d8c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qc1b43011341c1a728381","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":788,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-04T16:03:54.084Z","text":"他们是九分真一分假","edited":false,"reply_to":"q296dd4df63a0d1ed0b26","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc1b43011341c1a728381","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q296dd4df63a0d1ed0b26","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qcef226b7d9c323c271ea","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":789,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-04T16:04:29.856Z","text":"他们是邪教啊， cult， 那么就顺理成章了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3e2075c574eea41f4d8c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcef226b7d9c323c271ea","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3e2075c574eea41f4d8c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qa345eef59f86daa18ef1","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":790,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-04T16:05:23.456Z","text":"案子缺什么，青负责提供什么","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcef226b7d9c323c271ea","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa345eef59f86daa18ef1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcef226b7d9c323c271ea","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q32bd0451629aa131ff0f","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":791,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-04T16:06:30.630Z","text":"程序的话，还是那句话 王案没收是一个keypoint\nTony把这个节点弄折，王案开不了没收 郭案没收也要cancel\n随后检方和luc，提前处理Mahwah，就是司法欺诈","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc737a507cb8865107e1a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q32bd0451629aa131ff0f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc737a507cb8865107e1a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qe325c1f3ba189cfd774f","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":792,"speaker":"sug***","date":"2026-07-04T16:06:45.280Z","text":"我是仅就他/她说的这句话““郭案翻案需要的是证据，不是猜测，也不是造谣”  做的点评。这句话没问题。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc1b43011341c1a728381","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe325c1f3ba189cfd774f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc1b43011341c1a728381","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qcd09c04d376680508081","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":793,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-04T16:07:22.616Z","text":"https://x.com/i/status/2073317926610841899","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcd09c04d376680508081","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qa1ae31e29365503afd3d","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":794,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-04T16:08:22.725Z","text":"那你是几分真，几分假？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc1b43011341c1a728381","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa1ae31e29365503afd3d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc1b43011341c1a728381","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q24d0837193129ff63399","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":795,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-04T16:09:00.273Z","text":"所以没有证据就不要说","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q24d0837193129ff63399","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"q8d19b6d3b18b3b292f08","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":796,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-04T16:09:22.746Z","text":"Tony打哪个点？王无权同意没收？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q32bd0451629aa131ff0f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8d19b6d3b18b3b292f08","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q32bd0451629aa131ff0f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qa8fe61da42778ab4f2f9","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":797,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-04T16:09:38.432Z","text":"主权冲突","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8d19b6d3b18b3b292f08","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa8fe61da42778ab4f2f9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8d19b6d3b18b3b292f08","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qc6db493633f7d3a5ad9d","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":798,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-04T16:09:56.538Z","text":"冲突能打王什么？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa8fe61da42778ab4f2f9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc6db493633f7d3a5ad9d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa8fe61da42778ab4f2f9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qc7f40172be6b9d08c1eb","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":799,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-04T16:10:44.284Z","text":"没收无效","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc7f40172be6b9d08c1eb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"},{"id":"qf379d15be795ce59be85","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":800,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-04T16:11:03.679Z","text":"在投资主权没有理清前\n之前因为没有Tony的证据，但现在已经摆在二巡了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf379d15be795ce59be85","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000130","next_batch_id":"batch-000132"}