{"id":"batch-000133","number":133,"revision":2,"date_start":"2026-07-07T21:49:56.844Z","date_end":"2026-07-09T21:04:52.615Z","total_messages":1000,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 133 (Jul 7, 2026 – Jul 9, 2026), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Discussions centered on the Second Circuit appeal following Judge Torres's rulings, focusing on the procedural distinction between denials and mootness, whether the Southern District would trigger substantive review, and whether viable windows remain before reaching the Supreme Court. 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然后在两个月后的某一天 直接宣布取消","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9b96f721203ddeb4f16b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q37f7fd1d6b97fb204c11","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9b96f721203ddeb4f16b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"q34862dca285db7c3a323","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":5,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-07T21:51:29.998Z","text":"这一次有一个事实二巡绕不过去 托雷斯一定会被大卸八块","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9b96f721203ddeb4f16b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q34862dca285db7c3a323","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9b96f721203ddeb4f16b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"qe1468a82b0407f747b1f","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":6,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-07T21:51:34.682Z","text":"不要存有侥幸心理，要看事实发生了啥","edited":false,"reply_to":"q37f7fd1d6b97fb204c11","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe1468a82b0407f747b1f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q37f7fd1d6b97fb204c11","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"q1927ea4c02519a3344c2","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":7,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-07T21:51:42.326Z","text":"你看ligon案就知道了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe1468a82b0407f747b1f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1927ea4c02519a3344c2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe1468a82b0407f747b1f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"q50124d7477ef49354f7e","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":8,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-07T21:51:53.270Z","text":"就是这样处理的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q50124d7477ef49354f7e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"q6d40f74bcdbbc8c0fc1f","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":9,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-07T21:51:54.984Z","text":"至今二巡没有一次针对南区的行动","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6d40f74bcdbbc8c0fc1f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"qad9f0cd2daf054ccaa9a","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":10,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-07T21:52:07.619Z","text":"ligon案他们从头到尾都在袒护那个法官","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qad9f0cd2daf054ccaa9a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"q4ce0e4fd49e67b9e10d1","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":11,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-07T21:52:19.799Z","text":"就在所有人都认为他们要放过他的时候","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4ce0e4fd49e67b9e10d1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"qbf53e4d0b48060a304cf","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":12,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-07T21:52:26.193Z","text":"直接下山吃人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbf53e4d0b48060a304cf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"qc0f163e867b37d4b2b44","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":13,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-07T21:52:39.611Z","text":"托雷斯也一样 无论他驳回也好 同意也罢","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc0f163e867b37d4b2b44","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"qb37a14bcb8d13c58beef","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":14,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-07T21:52:46.860Z","text":"结局不会变 量刑撤销","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb37a14bcb8d13c58beef","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"qb5c697267517852afac6","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":15,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-07T21:52:53.042Z","text":"托雷斯换掉","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb5c697267517852afac6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"q0290634a013e2f0ce1ed","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":16,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-07T21:53:16.561Z","text":"这是美国司法的底层代码决定的 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以后地区法官都冲跑","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1487a5dc2b3a2087dc2e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"qe61a341f1c3ad1ccb3f2","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":28,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-07T21:56:03.669Z","text":"二巡绝不可能废掉自己","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe61a341f1c3ad1ccb3f2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"q1deb06db41f5a4259f86","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":29,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-07T21:56:19.190Z","text":"在黑手推动下，没什么不可能","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfd953e672d004e5d563b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1deb06db41f5a4259f86","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfd953e672d004e5d563b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"qce65fb21f0b8144cf027","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":30,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-07T21:56:19.467Z","text":"这是底层代码决定的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qce65fb21f0b8144cf027","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"q4f73b36e5d83a0163dde","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":31,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-07T21:56:56.375Z","text":"老郭在看守所关三年，这本身已经违法，底层代码怎么不起作用呢","edited":false,"reply_to":"qce65fb21f0b8144cf027","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f73b36e5d83a0163dde","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qce65fb21f0b8144cf027","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"q12ed019dcee64e7caea0","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":32,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-07T21:57:11.024Z","text":"因为南区只手遮天","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4f73b36e5d83a0163dde","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q12ed019dcee64e7caea0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f73b36e5d83a0163dde","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"q414c63458c51fbbfa704","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":33,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-07T21:57:14.684Z","text":"你根本打不进去","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q414c63458c51fbbfa704","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"q69804978973a69144c31","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":34,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-07T21:57:30.097Z","text":"所以，你怎么知道二巡会搞定南区","edited":false,"reply_to":"q12ed019dcee64e7caea0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q69804978973a69144c31","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q12ed019dcee64e7caea0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"qc19bbe76009ec197ccc8","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":35,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-07T21:57:38.540Z","text":"这是底层代码决定的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q69804978973a69144c31","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc19bbe76009ec197ccc8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q69804978973a69144c31","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"qa1c82b7e7aab5b87a55b","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":36,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-07T21:57:41.490Z","text":"天道","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa1c82b7e7aab5b87a55b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"q38f6de83157f80d9ab80","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":37,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-07T21:57:51.797Z","text":"这个就是赌了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa1c82b7e7aab5b87a55b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q38f6de83157f80d9ab80","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa1c82b7e7aab5b87a55b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"qbb8727d7211f9b46a38f","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":38,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-07T21:58:01.177Z","text":"就像你去天安门举牌子 一定会抓","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbb8727d7211f9b46a38f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"q6c505c74fac22b7e2a39","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":39,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-07T21:58:07.726Z","text":"如果是赌，那就不可控了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6c505c74fac22b7e2a39","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"q9e7f682be1c4137de1e9","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":40,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-07T21:58:10.533Z","text":"但螺丝哥自首 公安就不敢抓","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e7f682be1c4137de1e9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"qc2d3a1a211a8b1127837","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":41,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-07T21:58:14.658Z","text":"这就是底层代码 天道","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc2d3a1a211a8b1127837","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"qac509f23ab5dba6d8d12","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":42,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-07T21:58:24.876Z","text":"不是赌","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6c505c74fac22b7e2a39","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qac509f23ab5dba6d8d12","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6c505c74fac22b7e2a39","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"q4487326c2b79d6c98224","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":43,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-07T21:58:35.306Z","text":"是看透其运转本质后的判断","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4487326c2b79d6c98224","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"q4489716626a249f4761a","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":44,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-07T21:58:40.898Z","text":"这个是逻辑，因为它们不想被卷进来","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9e7f682be1c4137de1e9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4489716626a249f4761a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e7f682be1c4137de1e9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"q4457387e42fbec303e11","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":45,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-07T21:58:52.706Z","text":"这就是底层代码","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4489716626a249f4761a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4457387e42fbec303e11","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4489716626a249f4761a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"q5129cae6b2dcabd9eeba","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":46,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-07T21:59:06.981Z","text":"同样的 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也弄不出来","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc1264d30561685d16cec","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"q6cbde712861c55af2d37","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":71,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-07T22:06:04.014Z","text":"这一次很有可能6次order 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都会给个说法。不会任由南区践踏法律。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbbb23b6e725bee9b94a1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"q842d47788fd1ef695e62","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":75,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-07T22:06:39.361Z","text":"二巡这一次绝不可能放过托雷斯","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q842d47788fd1ef695e62","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"qa78bc26a00a34971b309","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":76,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-07T22:06:52.975Z","text":"这是联邦司法底层规律决定的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa78bc26a00a34971b309","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"qca65770d9df61e0adc29","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":77,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-07T22:08:14.915Z","text":"如果二巡把第三方的东西全部都deny， 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书记员 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只是不干预而已","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q479b5035ac1ef2e6330e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"q7be8980cc40d810a7d4c","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":125,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-07T22:45:28.970Z","text":"不代表我们写的东西有什么问题","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7be8980cc40d810a7d4c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"q0d855029ae59a3d72686","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":126,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-07T22:45:45.422Z","text":"当时判断不干预 不代表之后不干预","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0d855029ae59a3d72686","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"qed791128c18c21fbc0ad","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":127,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-07T22:46:04.537Z","text":"这和moot有本质区别","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qed791128c18c21fbc0ad","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"q5357123b797fdb78e1ec","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":128,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-07T22:47:30.161Z","text":"上次 就是moot","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5357123b797fdb78e1ec","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"qb609cec43a3148edd8e5","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":129,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-07T22:47:33.533Z","text":"这次 不是moot","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb609cec43a3148edd8e5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"q199524ad57cc4f4c3b75","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":130,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-07T22:47:39.302Z","text":"这个细节差距很大","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q199524ad57cc4f4c3b75","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"q53fccb23b1b1d5fb04fd","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":131,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-07T22:48:04.550Z","text":"这个单词联想是可以设置的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q956bb5303018aee7dc58","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q53fccb23b1b1d5fb04fd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q956bb5303018aee7dc58","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"q63bba6b9c9fef907340e","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":132,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-07T22:54:00.473Z","text":"[删节：成员身份]  二巡的这个deny 不moot 说明这些问题他们都看了 他们只是不干预。 但不代表以后不干预 不代表这些事情不严重","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q63bba6b9c9fef907340e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"q1f974abac0ef2f989755","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":133,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-07T22:54:48.962Z","text":"[删节：成员身份] 所以 连续deny 然后突然下山吃人 是完全可能的。 deny 说明我们说的东西 他们看了。 让他们看够我们的材料  觉得可以下山的时候自然就下来","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1f974abac0ef2f989755","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"q030cf1bfed6985fa0429","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":134,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-07T22:57:55.276Z","text":"怎么样能敲打一下二巡？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q030cf1bfed6985fa0429","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"q852d26838b7cef8858dd","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":135,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-07T22:58:47.116Z","text":"不用敲打","edited":false,"reply_to":"q030cf1bfed6985fa0429","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q852d26838b7cef8858dd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q030cf1bfed6985fa0429","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"q1f5424e02e44ac87e245","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":136,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-07T22:58:59.366Z","text":"他们比谁都精","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1f5424e02e44ac87e245","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"q3169de66134e70544673","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":137,"speaker":"nev***","date":"2026-07-07T23:00:45.233Z","text":"应该是为了取证后清除痕迹把你输入法历史记录给删了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q956bb5303018aee7dc58","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3169de66134e70544673","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q956bb5303018aee7dc58","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"q0c7425bd98aadce5abe1","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":138,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-07T23:02:28.709Z","text":"deny 说明他们看了材料","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0c7425bd98aadce5abe1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"qf2e5685a61f266576078","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":139,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-07T23:02:43.942Z","text":"等他们看了很多材料 觉得必须下场的时候 他们自然就下场","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf2e5685a61f266576078","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"q4544e73060dd061219f9","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":140,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-07T23:02:51.076Z","text":"所以deny不代表任何事情","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4544e73060dd061219f9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"qe48da32b722206a0ef03","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":141,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-07T23:03:10.945Z","text":"这就是联邦巡回法庭的正常节奏","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe48da32b722206a0ef03","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"q6eb8ab8e25bdc15125c7","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":142,"speaker":"nev***","date":"2026-07-07T23:04:12.025Z","text":"一些取证工具可能会收集你输入法的使用习惯，这个过程输入法的数据库损坏了。也可能给你手机植入监控程序了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6eb8ab8e25bdc15125c7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"qc8241e5f0d3fbbd507a7","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":143,"speaker":"nev***","date":"2026-07-07T23:04:30.989Z","text":"你担心的话可以换个手机什么的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc8241e5f0d3fbbd507a7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"q9e31ba4f12ba06b60da4","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":144,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-07T23:13:04.523Z","text":"如果他们全部都deny我们真的得申请全院重审了😂                                                                      给您的实操建议：\n如果您在二巡的案件中认为法院存在法律错误，您应当先在二巡穷尽救济途径（例如申请 Panel Rehearing 或 En Banc Rehearing，即要求原审委员会或全体法官重审）。只有当这些途径走完，或者您认为巡回法院的最终裁决严重违反了宪法或联邦法律时，您才会进入考虑向最高法院提交 Cert Petition 的阶段。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf2e5685a61f266576078","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e31ba4f12ba06b60da4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf2e5685a61f266576078","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"q008a454d48baa9aade68","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":145,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-07T23:13:40.600Z","text":"可以申请 但如果全都deny 就是他们下场的时候","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9e31ba4f12ba06b60da4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q008a454d48baa9aade68","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e31ba4f12ba06b60da4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"q041d770b637d14de137b","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":146,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-07T23:13:49.477Z","text":"我现在明白他们怎么玩了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q041d770b637d14de137b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"q697acf53f93eaa533097","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":147,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-07T23:13:55.855Z","text":"deny 就是 看过了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q697acf53f93eaa533097","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"q3619ac1cf6abae822160","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":148,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-07T23:14:13.134Z","text":"他们还是很审慎的，只是驳回了确定得驳回的部分","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4544e73060dd061219f9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3619ac1cf6abae822160","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4544e73060dd061219f9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"qac3ddc22ee0fe917ca2e","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":149,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-07T23:14:24.886Z","text":"到时候 要动手 他们不可能说 approve我们的东西去动手 而是把我们deny 然后他们自己动手","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qac3ddc22ee0fe917ca2e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"q2c78216bda3daddff153","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":150,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-07T23:16:44.211Z","text":"真的假不了 假的真不了。大家有点耐心 信心","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2c78216bda3daddff153","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"q305e28585269e2fcf6aa","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":151,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-07T23:20:07.730Z","text":"是啊，继续完善纪录","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q305e28585269e2fcf6aa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"qe397e9f9280d5a781a0f","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":152,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-07T23:20:18.592Z","text":"还有好多没写呢","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe397e9f9280d5a781a0f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"qbe3113ad5e9fe9b6bf35","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":153,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-07-07T23:24:00.669Z","text":"https://x.com/baoliaogeming/status/2074635430528684208?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbe3113ad5e9fe9b6bf35","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"q4175f2937aab06e48125","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":154,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-07T23:53:00.083Z","text":"大家从共产党的喉舌的宣传， 就可以得出这个结论： 要想撤销量刑， 就必须把诈骗这个叙事打掉","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4175f2937aab06e48125","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"q2767acc82004f7f23ec0","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":155,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-07T23:54:24.746Z","text":"诈骗， 应该有受害人， 受害金额， 对不对？ \n\n那么 在这个案件中， 谁是受害人？ 他们的受害金额有没有经过第三方 验证？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2767acc82004f7f23ec0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000133"},{"id":"q2d9fa21e7c89939e234d","batch_id":"batch-000133","seq":156,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-08T00:11:32.643Z","text":"那些被逼报假案的， 被无辜放在受害人名单上的， 现在可以站出来， 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也可以利用天道 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