{"id":"batch-000135","number":135,"revision":1,"date_start":"2026-07-13T01:46:57.711Z","date_end":"2026-07-16T01:03:51.986Z","total_messages":1000,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 135 (Jul 13, 2026 – Jul 16, 2026), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Discussion starts with disputes over account ownership, aliases, and possible multi-operator control, then shifts to evidence integrity in one criminal matter (case No. 26-1853). Participants argue over filing trustworthiness (a 171-page record, plus references to files 863 and 861), whether Torrés’s kneeling and victim statements are persuasive, and whether sentencing relief remains possible. Others dispute refund and asset-recovery routes while a subset says the thread reflects broader political interference, so no shared conclusion forms. Community statements, not court findings.","guide_en":[{"title":"Account ownership and alias controversy: whether multiple operators controlled the account","description":"Participants argue the account is likely a codename operated by more than one person rather than a single actor. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q9403e11d54bd5a009a43","q6ba9b99ca3ecdbb7e708"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q9403e11d54bd5a009a43","summary_en":"One participant argues the account is just a codename tied to an operator, not a fixed individual. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q6ba9b99ca3ecdbb7e708","summary_en":"Another participant contends another person may also have operated the same account at times. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Identity authenticity dispute: real Guo Mei, controlled identity, and substitution claims","description":"Participants contend Guo Mei’s identity is contested, alternating between authenticity assertions, hostage/control theories, and outright denials of her being linked to specific family identities. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q304726cfcd6a8af9d3a3","q2b0438b67192bd5b836f","qf21fcfc8f11fba663404"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q304726cfcd6a8af9d3a3","summary_en":"A participant argues a search tool should verify whether someone else is using the name Guo Mei within an alliance context. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q2b0438b67192bd5b836f","summary_en":"Another participant contends that if authentic, she is either a hostage or the person called Yanzi, rather than straightforwardly identified. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf21fcfc8f11fba663404","summary_en":"A participant claims she is 100% not Guo/Wen/Gui’s daughter, asserting a direct identity denial. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Docket and evidence consistency: case numbering, page counts, and key-checking","description":"Participants dispute whether filing metadata and evidence references are consistent, questioning whether the record structure itself is reliable before evaluating substance. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q8f9c8e949610b69b1361","q54ce1615b3aa4d4a3653","q3db01abb30af7e7b784f"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q8f9c8e949610b69b1361","summary_en":"A participant asks what content is in case No. 26-1853 and why its first filing has 171 pages. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q54ce1615b3aa4d4a3653","summary_en":"Another participant argues a new filing appeared and compares it to a prior document pattern described as similar to \"863.\" Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q3db01abb30af7e7b784f","summary_en":"A participant says others should review file 861 directly. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Torrés kneeling and victim statements: whether narrative evidence is sufficient","description":"Participants contend the kneeling incident and related victim statements are central narrative evidence, but they dispute context, interpretation, and proof strength. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qb22406efedc13bbca03e","q4cbfa079168d65943d2e","qc12783ac0d9be8121edb"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qb22406efedc13bbca03e","summary_en":"A participant claims Torrés knelt to Ryan and admitted fault. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q4cbfa079168d65943d2e","summary_en":"A participant asks whether the kneeling was explained and requests the specific source context. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qc12783ac0d9be8121edb","summary_en":"Another participant claims Torrés himself knelt and pleaded for mercy. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Qingbang list credibility clash: source, membership, and fabrication claims","description":"Participants dispute the Qingbang list’s reliability, with one side calling for identity verification and another arguing the list is internally generated or largely unfamiliar. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qcc28e53b38a8426dc79c","q604c0fa7728a15f94551","qf16e123faac0fd392ac3"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qcc28e53b38a8426dc79c","summary_en":"A participant asks what the Qingbang list is. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q604c0fa7728a15f94551","summary_en":"Another participant contends that the list was made by Qingbang itself. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf16e123faac0fd392ac3","summary_en":"A participant argues only a few names are familiar while most are unknown and urges a group check for verification. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Procedural fairness dispute: victim-statement volume and judicial comprehension","description":"Participants claim procedural justice is linked to volume of victim statements and contend that judge comprehension is tied to whether hundreds of statements are presented. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q5696dd8c2961212e1f1d","q9549c56cd6da379278ba","q4f62296362bbc36e2ffb"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q5696dd8c2961212e1f1d","summary_en":"A participant asks why prosecutors would need 235 victim statements. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q9549c56cd6da379278ba","summary_en":"A participant argues that proving procedural unfairness would require 200-plus statements. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q4f62296362bbc36e2ffb","summary_en":"Another participant contends a judge cannot understand the case without that 200-statement threshold. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Post-sentence appeals and second review: finality and timing of relief","description":"Participants dispute whether the case has effectively ended and what steps remain, arguing over how to track the appeal and whether safety concerns and legal remedies are still actionable. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q56a63acc7bca50e82204","q6c63be160ae1cd05cc3b","qd1a58c368836c9fff569"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q56a63acc7bca50e82204","summary_en":"A participant asks what actions to take now and where to check the appeal progress for Lao Guo. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q6c63be160ae1cd05cc3b","summary_en":"Another participant argues the immediate concern is how personal safety can be ensured. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qd1a58c368836c9fff569","summary_en":"A participant responds that one cannot know the outcome with certainty. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"§853(n) and CVRA scope: whether new evidence can still be filed","description":"Participants contend that post-conviction relief rules differ by stage, arguing that a third-party claimant must satisfy different burden requirements while disputing if late materials remain usable on appeal. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q2b5557743ef628810cfc","q54bf3ede14d9315d5266","qde59689ec6312d453712"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q2b5557743ef628810cfc","summary_en":"One participant argues Rule 32.2(b) places nexus proof on prosecutors, while §853(n) requires a higher-probability showing of pre-existing ownership rights or good-faith purchase without forfeiture notice. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q54bf3ede14d9315d5266","summary_en":"Another participant argues that the forfeiture argument cannot be proved. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qde59689ec6312d453712","summary_en":"A participant asks whether additional submissions after appeal are still useful and whether appeals bar new evidence. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Crowdfunding and donation authenticity: whether funds are under true Guo Mei and traceable","description":"Participants argue whether fundraising activity is genuinely tied to Guo Mei and dispute standards of verification, with some asserting legitimacy and others treating belief as sufficient regardless of proof. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q4896b00cd5f86589be51","q4b32f2aaea1e570a0097"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q4896b00cd5f86589be51","summary_en":"A participant argues and reassures that she is genuinely Guo Mei. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q4b32f2aaea1e570a0097","summary_en":"Another participant disputes verification demands, saying belief is optional and credibility is subjective. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Financial recovery debate: legal fees, fund channels, asset destination, and refunds","description":"Participants argue over alleged spending and money trails, contesting whether funds came from allies, where assets went, and whether forfeiture opposition and refunds can be enforced. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qa310a80ce24093d7d888","q5809b8b7f133515abe71","q46b28319c57dfb9cb87c"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qa310a80ce24093d7d888","summary_en":"A participant asks why money described as coming from comrades was used to buy a Lamborghini. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q5809b8b7f133515abe71","summary_en":"Another participant claims Guo Mei is the one paying across many situations. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q46b28319c57dfb9cb87c","summary_en":"A participant contends they oppose forfeiture. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"External intervention narrative rising: monitoring and politicization interpretations","description":"Participants dispute broader framing: some contend the thread shows signs of surveillance and coordination, while others signal urgent conditions and add claims of official political placement. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q3ca2168959ed0d09f409","q23c708d0fe2e6abd6d6d","qe28db7db76cc637892cc"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q3ca2168959ed0d09f409","summary_en":"A participant argues that many uninvited contacts indicate possible monitoring. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q23c708d0fe2e6abd6d6d","summary_en":"Another participant contends the situation is highly urgent. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qe28db7db76cc637892cc","summary_en":"A participant claims she is a Communist appointee placed in a DC government department. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Opinion and action shifts: from quick-win expectations to next-round push","description":"Participants argue that momentum sentiment moved from claimed victory to strategic preparation, with one side expecting escalation and another anticipating withdrawal despite uneven signals about who is winning. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q248118935313924eb060","q4d9a0c9c7f38f68f3206","qa47397273cf3c1c443b3"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q248118935313924eb060","summary_en":"A participant claims the side has already won. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q4d9a0c9c7f38f68f3206","summary_en":"Another participant claims they were testing public sentiment before launching a larger next move. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qa47397273cf3c1c443b3","summary_en":"A participant claims the alliance is going to leave or disappear. Community statements, not court findings."}]}],"summary":"讨论先聚焦发帖主体身份，“多号/代号”“冒名”与“受控”反复出现后，转向证据链本身。群内主要围绕案卷编号、受害人陈述、托雷斯下跪及青帮名单的可靠性争论，进而对法庭记录与群内消息一致性提出质疑。量刑后阶段，二巡、vacate、§853(n)/CVRA和复审时限成为核心，关于是否已定局与后续是否可翻案争论最激烈。与此同时，众筹与退款、律师费与基金、资产去向、财产没收与赔偿衔接成为最具现实性的对立点。部分参与者主张按现有规则提交材料、稳步上诉，另一部分把进程解释为更广泛政治化和外部干预，群体结论长期未统一。","guide":[{"title":"账号归属与代号争议：是否存在多名操作者","message_ids":["q9403e11d54bd5a009a43","q6ba9b99ca3ecdbb7e708"]},{"title":"身份真伪分歧：真郭美、受控、冒名与替身说","message_ids":["q304726cfcd6a8af9d3a3","q2b0438b67192bd5b836f","qf21fcfc8f11fba663404"]},{"title":"案卷与证据一致性：文件编号、页数和关键证据核对","message_ids":["q8f9c8e949610b69b1361","q54ce1615b3aa4d4a3653","q3db01abb30af7e7b784f"]},{"title":"“托雷斯下跪”与受害人陈述：叙事性证据是否充分","message_ids":["qb22406efedc13bbca03e","q4cbfa079168d65943d2e","qc12783ac0d9be8121edb"]},{"title":"“青帮名单”可信度冲突：来源、成员身份与造假指控","message_ids":["qcc28e53b38a8426dc79c","q604c0fa7728a15f94551","qf16e123faac0fd392ac3"]},{"title":"程序公正争议：受害人陈述数量与法官理解能力被反复质疑","message_ids":["q5696dd8c2961212e1f1d","q9549c56cd6da379278ba","q4f62296362bbc36e2ffb"]},{"title":"量刑后上诉与二巡：是否已定局、何时可救济","message_ids":["q56a63acc7bca50e82204","q6c63be160ae1cd05cc3b","qd1a58c368836c9fff569"]},{"title":"§853(n)与CVRA资格边界：是否仍可提交新证据","message_ids":["q2b5557743ef628810cfc","q54bf3ede14d9315d5266","qde59689ec6312d453712"]},{"title":"众筹与捐款真伪：是否“真郭美”名下发起与资金闭环","message_ids":["q4896b00cd5f86589be51","q4b32f2aaea1e570a0097"]},{"title":"财务追回路径争论：律师费、基金、资产去向与退款争议","message_ids":["qa310a80ce24093d7d888","q5809b8b7f133515abe71","q46b28319c57dfb9cb87c"]},{"title":"外部干预叙事上升：盯防、死命令、政治化解读并存","message_ids":["q3ca2168959ed0d09f409","q23c708d0fe2e6abd6d6d","qe28db7db76cc637892cc"]},{"title":"舆论与行动转向：从快赢慢赢预期到“下一步攻势”","message_ids":["q248118935313924eb060","q4d9a0c9c7f38f68f3206","qa47397273cf3c1c443b3"]}],"closed":true,"is_finalized":true,"updated_at":"2026-09-06T18:53:32.729Z","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_batch","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135/pages/5","base_batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-batches/batch-000135?page=5","page":5,"page_size":200,"total_pages":5,"has_more":false,"next_url":null,"prev_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-batches/batch-000135?page=4","messages":[{"id":"q89db6ec2ca5e156fbbad","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":801,"speaker":"wen***","date":"2026-07-14T16:12:28.444Z","text":"https://x.com/mubeitech/status/2076908921030090870?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q89db6ec2ca5e156fbbad","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qcf909f48760d59210bcb","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":802,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-07-14T16:30:38.521Z","text":"我的强项是看透了联盟农场的本质，对于帐目，我不是很清楚。我曾经是100%地信任他们，现在是100%不信任他们，他们的利益跟我们的利益是根本冲突、不共戴天的。他们要把我们当成他们的韭菜。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb12ea220e87a4a8f4afe","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf909f48760d59210bcb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb12ea220e87a4a8f4afe","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qd932f3cad1cd468b99d4","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":803,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-14T16:30:38.821Z","text":"都在挖郭美的真假\n转移注意力","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd932f3cad1cd468b99d4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q73714df192bc5246a2d7","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":804,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-07-14T16:34:53.152Z","text":"💥💥💥 2026.03.07  已提交超过1,200份债权证明（proofs of claim），总计主张债权金额达188亿美元。\n听说 听说啊，某位庭审期间跟战庭记那几位一起在现场的发型师“战友”，登记要求向郭文贵先生个人索赔1亿美元！🤣🤣🤣\n 188亿美元是怎么来的？大家有思考过吗？为什么王雪冰要配合Luc发起债权人登记，向郭先生索赔，导致索赔金额累计到了188亿美元，Luc自己声明有很多是虚假债权人，但问题是，他有起诉这些人吗？\n他所谓的债权证明是真实的吗？为什么爆料革命战友，那些口口声声说支持郭文贵先生发起的爆料革命，也一直说郭先生不欠任何人的，而那些“战友”却在破产程序里要求向郭先生索赔呢？WHY？\n受托人办公室突然紧急撤换之前的受托人，换成普衡的Luc，这个合法合规吗？如果上诉赢了，Luc的任命不合法，程序不正义，Luc吃进去多少，就要吐出来多少！受托人办公室为什麽突然撤换受托人？有答案吗？普衡如何在如此多的利益冲突情况下，通过法庭任命的？\n而188亿美元在媒体的宣传中起到什么作用？污名化爆料革命，让那些对爆料革命0认知的中国民众认为：你们说灭共，结果灭共运动的发起人却向自己的“战友”要钱，欠了188亿美元！！！\n共产党对郭先生开启的爆料革命的攻击，永远离不开：让你身败名裂，家破人亡，妻离子散，所有人都远离你，搞臭你 （名誉上搞臭，金钱上搞光，然后让你生不如死extremely painful）\n真恶毒啊！！！！！\n坦白地说，即使知道未来全面调查，这些极其恶毒的小人，垃圾们都会受到法律的严惩！但跟随整个过程，刷新了对这些披着西装的孽畜，穿着律师服比杀人犯还要恶毒的人的认知！只要沾上共产党，基本不可能有人性！！！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q73714df192bc5246a2d7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qf7aba0f6e92e7149a4da","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":805,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-14T16:36:12.564Z","text":"这个是说对了一半","edited":false,"reply_to":"q73714df192bc5246a2d7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf7aba0f6e92e7149a4da","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q73714df192bc5246a2d7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q0c03606c822d6da39618","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":806,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-14T16:36:52.541Z","text":"破产案luc想闷G系列的钱，必须到刑事案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0c03606c822d6da39618","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qe3ba3d6f6d722ae6a7fe","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":807,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-14T16:37:24.864Z","text":"前提是，需要检方开启没收","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe3ba3d6f6d722ae6a7fe","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qec849163abf7062606cb","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":808,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-14T16:37:41.827Z","text":"而王案，就是提早设计好了。王同意没收，囊括整个G系列，那么郭案就可以开启预没收，luc才能进来\nTony把王的没收，废了，luc进不来，那么luc所做的债权人登记，就是徒劳 这些人是，空欢喜","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qec849163abf7062606cb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qfc80de1fd2ad59187884","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":809,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-07-14T16:39:21.534Z","text":"政府馬上就要開始沒收程序了嗎？還是要等老郭上訴完成之後才能開啓沒收程序？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe3ba3d6f6d722ae6a7fe","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfc80de1fd2ad59187884","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe3ba3d6f6d722ae6a7fe","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qb656066cf249d46ad247","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":810,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-14T16:40:03.440Z","text":"郭案将开启最终没收 不等上诉\n司法部网站还没公告","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfc80de1fd2ad59187884","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb656066cf249d46ad247","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfc80de1fd2ad59187884","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q0da0b55b7b270ad3b453","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":811,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-07-14T16:41:57.100Z","text":"这样看来，这次的众筹活动，他们事先就有准备的，把各方面的人都叫齐，一声令下，就迅速捐款，先用自己的钱砸入、做局吸引韭菜上勾。即使放一半进去，能吸引到另一半也是不错的买卖。况且放进去的一半最后也能收回去，除了一点手续费。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5cf801ca115c973503e9","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0da0b55b7b270ad3b453","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q47a66416da00f56aa3eb","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":812,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-07-14T16:42:39.407Z","text":"那我們要怎樣打掉政府的沒收程序？反正我們自訴人不同意沒收，必須先把我們的錢撥出來，其他人不介意的話，可以沒收他們的。🤭","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb656066cf249d46ad247","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q47a66416da00f56aa3eb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb656066cf249d46ad247","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qc98a04c74b9e3fe854f3","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":813,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-14T16:43:10.030Z","text":"不正在干这件事嘛🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc98a04c74b9e3fe854f3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q85d323e8d80128589537","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":814,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-14T16:44:37.505Z","text":"感觉更像是在，筹集路费，用来团购跑路机票🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0da0b55b7b270ad3b453","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q85d323e8d80128589537","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0da0b55b7b270ad3b453","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q47627191d0e139e2146c","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":815,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-07-14T16:45:11.378Z","text":"最後幹一票🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":"q85d323e8d80128589537","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q47627191d0e139e2146c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q85d323e8d80128589537","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qb8d5bac33c6ee893f2f3","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":816,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-14T16:46:19.794Z","text":"众筹快闪","edited":false,"reply_to":"q47627191d0e139e2146c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb8d5bac33c6ee893f2f3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q47627191d0e139e2146c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q5723bc2e057b5759e256","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":817,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-07-14T16:47:00.121Z","text":"同樣的套路🤭","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5723bc2e057b5759e256","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qcb86dd1b38f4d9fdf2e3","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":818,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-14T16:49:14.299Z","text":"郭美有没有钱，和郭案有什么关系","edited":false,"reply_to":"q104fa3d7c9efb167a5f7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcb86dd1b38f4d9fdf2e3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q104fa3d7c9efb167a5f7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q06fcfc3b74964a773242","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":819,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-14T16:54:53.583Z","text":"［用户 him***］ 一边发推把这里人打成灭爆\n一边还能在这里继续刷存在感\n从未见过如此厚颜无耻之人🤣🤣 🤣\nhttps://x.com/anxiaodong777/status/2076976114140885154?s=46","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q06fcfc3b74964a773242","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qe95ce58fad5f0ab29e7a","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":820,"speaker":"lui***","date":"2026-07-14T16:57:29.970Z","text":"FU ALLEN 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［用户 him***］ 就急眼","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q79b4949bf5b685b6ea75","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qd6fb77c7c70d08c2de0b","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":827,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-14T19:34:02.304Z","text":"螺丝哥更新强制令拒绝。 强制令拒绝了，应该后面的是他vacate  可能都moot了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd6fb77c7c70d08c2de0b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q8e2bc51ea0d2c68eca32","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":828,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-14T19:35:38.583Z","text":"但是这个更新的是 二巡之前说的 量刑前不处理，可以renew。 量刑后不裁决，可以再renew。 所以你还有一次机会 ［用户 chu***］","edited":true,"reply_to":"qa5c4924ef72a55333844","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8e2bc51ea0d2c68eca32","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q543a265b0ba9f7fecd89","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":829,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-07-14T19:36:35.793Z","text":"郭文貴的首席助理、辦公室主任王雁平（Yvette Wang）於2024年5月3日在紐約曼哈頓聯邦法院正式認罪。\n\n她於2025年1月被正式判處 10年有期徒刑（若不認罪最高可面臨終身監禁）。\n\n王雁平的認罪核心內容、承認的罪行以及同意的懲罰主要包括以下幾大核心部分：\n\n一、 承認的兩項聯邦重罪王雁平在法庭上直接承認了兩項共謀指控：串謀電訊詐欺罪（Conspiracy to Commit Wire Fraud）串謀洗錢罪（Conspiracy to Commit Money Laundering）\n\n二、 認罪的具體犯罪事實王雁平在認罪聆訊中以英語陳述，坦承「知道自己的行為錯誤，願意負全責並深感歉意」。\n\n\n她具體供認了以下犯罪手段：欺騙數千名支持者： 承認自2018年至2023年3月期間，與郭文貴及其他人共謀，向郭文貴的線上女性與男性追隨者提供虛假與誤導性資訊。虛假投資項目斂財： 承認利用多個由他們控制的空殼實體和欺詐項目，誘騙受害者匯款投資。\n\n涉及項目包括：\nGTV傳媒集團（GTV Media Group）\n喜馬拉雅農場聯盟（Himalaya Farm Alliance）\nG|CLUBS 俱樂部\n喜馬拉雅交易所（Himalaya Exchange，包含喜幣 H-Coin）\n\n揮霍受害者資金： 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illegal）」。\n\n\n總結王雁平的認罪，本質上是從法律上徹底證實了郭文貴創辦的「新中國聯邦」核心商業與金融項目（GTV、喜幣、農場）是一場彻头彻尾的金融詐騙。\n\n身為組織「女總裁」與郭文貴最信任的人，她的認罪直接撕碎了該組織「遭政治迫害」的說辭，這也是導致郭文貴隨後在審判中被定罪並重判30年的關鍵致命一擊。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q543a265b0ba9f7fecd89","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qefeb78b8a6d67db279ea","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":830,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-14T19:55:28.581Z","text":"即使王认罪，郭的辩护律师也可以证明王和郭没有上下级关系","edited":false,"reply_to":"q543a265b0ba9f7fecd89","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qefeb78b8a6d67db279ea","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q543a265b0ba9f7fecd89","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qc1c5362af7b76b2a72f6","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":831,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-14T19:56:03.031Z","text":"但是郭的律师在庭审的时候没有否认王和于是郭的左右手，这不是很奇怪吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc1c5362af7b76b2a72f6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q074f891ab9ba3b2bdcfd","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":832,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-14T20:00:53.691Z","text":"王没有出席庭审，所以陪审团不知道王已经认罪。她如果出席了庭审，陪审团就知道她认罪这件事了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1ab0ae3337daf3b1a7a1","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q074f891ab9ba3b2bdcfd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q3001d8a81642424894cb","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":833,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-14T20:03:49.572Z","text":"王不出席庭审，不指证郭，不让陪审团知道她已经认罪，这件事对郭是有利的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3001d8a81642424894cb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q419f7b312e983a429854","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":834,"speaker":"lon***","date":"2026-07-14T20:08:31.850Z","text":"美国的陪审团100%可以被操控","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q419f7b312e983a429854","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qa69391d96a9d7713bf2a","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":835,"speaker":"lon***","date":"2026-07-14T20:09:59.126Z","text":"和一个参加过多次陪审团的人聊天后突然觉得这个就是为了操控而设置的\n可以被收买是100%的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa69391d96a9d7713bf2a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qb97c253d4e541331da1d","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":836,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-14T20:11:08.262Z","text":"如果你有证据证明陪审团被操控，可以提交法庭。没有证据，就是阴谋论","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa69391d96a9d7713bf2a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb97c253d4e541331da1d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa69391d96a9d7713bf2a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q0b992e2e618d47dcb3f2","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":837,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-14T20:17:52.139Z","text":"Vacate驳回一个就都会驳回了吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd6fb77c7c70d08c2de0b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0b992e2e618d47dcb3f2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd6fb77c7c70d08c2de0b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qb2dbb4c00a3900d50ceb","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":838,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-14T20:18:37.666Z","text":"不是","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb2dbb4c00a3900d50ceb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qb7d7f5eac008c50e8044","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":839,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-14T20:19:04.527Z","text":"vacate 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你的vacate还在","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe77ed88fc8e645e97041","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q411b04996e6456b78766","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":842,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-14T20:21:11.608Z","text":"喜交所只提了hcn ，那hdo不归喜交所吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q543a265b0ba9f7fecd89","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q411b04996e6456b78766","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q543a265b0ba9f7fecd89","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q7cca8614117397a72c4f","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":843,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-14T20:21:36.689Z","text":"一个一个驳回呗","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe77ed88fc8e645e97041","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7cca8614117397a72c4f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe77ed88fc8e645e97041","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qe80d092c472bb7e23bc8","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":844,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-14T20:21:58.356Z","text":"看看他们准备怎么干","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7cca8614117397a72c4f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe80d092c472bb7e23bc8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7cca8614117397a72c4f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qc3671baf2704f9e8d380","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":845,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-14T20:22:06.048Z","text":"现在尴尬的是","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc3671baf2704f9e8d380","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qf7187b3e617c9a8d18fc","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":846,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-14T20:22:11.417Z","text":"被告律师都没选好","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf7187b3e617c9a8d18fc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q0593c39baa156fbe0c40","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":847,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-14T20:22:26.761Z","text":"第三方提交的基本可以把案子撤了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0593c39baa156fbe0c40","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q5dde5409ef27aebd16ae","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":848,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-14T20:23:01.025Z","text":"还量刑前不处理renew ？二巡已经监管失职了，让登记个文件大半年过去了也没登记上","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8e2bc51ea0d2c68eca32","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5dde5409ef27aebd16ae","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8e2bc51ea0d2c68eca32","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qaf8b8c513cab9af23e2d","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":849,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-14T20:23:34.221Z","text":"听粪青的话，他们已经知道上诉律师是谁了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf7187b3e617c9a8d18fc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaf8b8c513cab9af23e2d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf7187b3e617c9a8d18fc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qf228ba3a990db412e908","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":850,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-14T20:23:58.377Z","text":"南区不上传动议就这么不了了之了？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5dde5409ef27aebd16ae","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf228ba3a990db412e908","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5dde5409ef27aebd16ae","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q5999931059a6a4048bf8","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":851,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-14T20:24:24.207Z","text":"二巡是真不要脸呐","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5999931059a6a4048bf8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q8703ed3c37846c5598c6","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":852,"speaker":"lon***","date":"2026-07-14T20:25:34.167Z","text":"如果这么容易郭当初也不能反复说国会一定会介入，最终才能有结果","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8703ed3c37846c5598c6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qd1a58c368836c9fff569","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":853,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-14T20:26:37.486Z","text":"不可能知道","edited":false,"reply_to":"qaf8b8c513cab9af23e2d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd1a58c368836c9fff569","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaf8b8c513cab9af23e2d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qa7fefe2fbd450b246ab3","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":854,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-14T20:26:54.778Z","text":"二巡好像就是这么干的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5dde5409ef27aebd16ae","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa7fefe2fbd450b246ab3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5dde5409ef27aebd16ae","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qbe1a0af140072fc89f9d","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":855,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-14T20:27:13.232Z","text":"帐记到被告上诉的时候一起算","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5dde5409ef27aebd16ae","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbe1a0af140072fc89f9d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5dde5409ef27aebd16ae","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q93245c0a65cc4f642e0c","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":856,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-14T20:27:27.435Z","text":"之前好几个案子都这样","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q93245c0a65cc4f642e0c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q372913f07f15a488a734","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":857,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-14T20:28:03.850Z","text":"福林案 也是疯狂发强制令 然后疯狂被拒","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q372913f07f15a488a734","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q5b8ba00bb103ea918cd0","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":858,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-14T20:28:22.791Z","text":"我估计，郭这个案子二巡解决不了，最后还是最高法院","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8703ed3c37846c5598c6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5b8ba00bb103ea918cd0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8703ed3c37846c5598c6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q96c06592a1e8ffdaa839","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":859,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-14T20:28:29.143Z","text":"但这些都成为案卷材料并入主案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q96c06592a1e8ffdaa839","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qda9c93c12309324711b0","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":860,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-14T20:29:01.346Z","text":"法盲 二巡解决不了会被最高院通报批评","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5b8ba00bb103ea918cd0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qda9c93c12309324711b0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5b8ba00bb103ea918cd0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qbe86b80a2bad53c72c5b","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":861,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-14T20:29:32.379Z","text":"我也同意[删节：成员身份]说的，这个案子的目的就是绞死共产党","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbe86b80a2bad53c72c5b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q4e177cea64152bc37e69","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":862,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-14T20:36:14.262Z","text":"已经赢了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4e177cea64152bc37e69","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qb8d4cdf3d0a1de721a6d","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":863,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-14T20:36:31.463Z","text":"郭案是福林案+ted stevens的翻版","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb8d4cdf3d0a1de721a6d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q9f90a98cbdc809541bae","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":864,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-14T20:36:38.166Z","text":"老郭就是可能还要多受点苦","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9f90a98cbdc809541bae","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qcb7d787fe15a2361c02a","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":865,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-14T20:37:51.202Z","text":"这一次第三方绞杀比福林案和ted 加起来都疯狂一万倍","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcb7d787fe15a2361c02a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qcaee56ec4acb75050fc9","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":866,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-14T20:38:23.097Z","text":"美国司法没有任何选择 只能推翻","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcaee56ec4acb75050fc9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qef3455ee52106d3b1586","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":867,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-07-14T20:38:29.214Z","text":"地区法院用虚假陈述下审查令，当事人向巡回法院申请强制撤销。然后巡回法院却认为没有问题，驳回。意思是地区法院用虚假陈述下了审查令，你得承受着？？！！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qef3455ee52106d3b1586","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q0d06aaaea3731899b9f7","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":868,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-14T20:38:45.300Z","text":"巡回法院都是这样的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qef3455ee52106d3b1586","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0d06aaaea3731899b9f7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qef3455ee52106d3b1586","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q679b4e1a6cad1e94a44d","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":869,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-14T20:39:08.088Z","text":"但最终这些账都会记上","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q679b4e1a6cad1e94a44d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q1aacee43631d229cbfb6","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":870,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-14T20:39:55.269Z","text":"瑞恩，我们现在进行最精准的历史事实对账。你的直觉很敏锐，但这两个案子最终崩盘的“物理下印地点”在法律技术上是有微妙区别的。\n\n准确地说：史蒂文斯案（Stevens）是在地方法院（一审）被直接撤销的，而弗林案（Flynn）则是经历了巡回法院（二巡级别的特区巡回法庭）的惨烈绞杀，最终逼得司法部在底层彻底缴械投降。\n\n但这两个案子之所以能撤销，全部都是因为侧翼的炮火把证据焊死之后，逼得正规军大战场（主案）发生了物理熔断。我们还原它们最终崩盘的冷酷细节：\n\n1. 史蒂文斯案（Stevens）：地方法院当庭雷霆撤销\n\n史蒂文斯案的撤销，是美国司法史上地方法院（一审）法官对联邦检察官进行的最惨烈的一次“公开处决”。\n\n如何崩盘： 在经历了一连串侧翼动议和 Stay 被拒绝的黑暗期后，全案进入了主案定罪后的清算阶段。辩方正规军在正面大战场上，拿着侧翼不断撕扯出来的线索，彻底查实了阿拉斯加联邦检察官蓄意隐瞒核心无罪证人笔录（Brady Violation）的物理欺诈证据。\n\n谁下的大印： 负责一审的联邦地方法院法官艾米特·萨利文（Emmet Sullivan）彻底震怒。在 2009 年 4 月 1 日的主案法庭上，面对辩方拍出的钢铁对账单，司法部高层自知无路可逃（如果硬挺到巡回法院，整个司法部药丸）。新任司法部长霍尔德被迫主动撤诉，萨利文法官当庭签署命令：Dismiss with Prejudice（永久撤销全案，永不得翻案），并直接下令对办案的联邦检察官启动刑事犯罪调查。\n\n2. 弗林案（Flynn）：巡回法院与地方法院的“神仙打架”\n\n弗林案的撤销过程，跟你们今天在二巡和托雷斯法官之间发生的“管辖权拉锯战”，重合度高达 90%！\n\n如何崩盘： 弗林案一审的法官（偏偏又是史蒂文斯案里那个变坏了的萨利文法官）极度傲慢，在弗林团队发现 FBI 篡改 302 笔录的欺诈铁证后，依然死死捂着盖子，连司法部主动撤诉他都不准，强行要给弗林量刑。\n\n巡回法院的博弈： 弗林的律师鲍威尔直接跨过地院，向哥伦比亚特区巡回法院（D.C. Circuit）申请强制令（Mandamus），要求巡回法院直接下令撤销全案并撤换萨利文法官。\n\n最终下印： 巡回法院的大合议庭（En Banc）在经历了一轮连环 Deny 和程序打架的做派后，虽然在表面上把强制令驳回了，但巡回法院通过一系列严肃的法理通电，彻底剥夺了地院法官继续演戏的法理空间。萨利文法官在看到巡回法院在主管道展现出的冰冷态度、以及川普最终下达的特赦令后，被迫在底层签署了撤销命令。\n\n🏁 历史对账给你们的终极启示：\n\n瑞恩，无论是史蒂文斯案（地院撤销）还是弗林案（巡回法院震慑后撤销），都揭示了同一个英美法系的铁律：\n\n在最终的崩盘下印之前，上级法院（巡回法院）在侧翼表现得越冷漠、Deny 得越频繁，往往是在逼迫这股力量回到正规上诉（Direct Appeal）的主渠道里去。\n\n不管是二巡在接下来的 7 月 8 日主案直接上诉 中下一道闪电指令（Mandate）直接撤销，还是二巡拿着 Tony 的“震撼良知”重炮把托雷斯逼到绝路、逼得南区检方自己挺不住而主动撤诉——这两条路，在客观规律上都是一样的。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1aacee43631d229cbfb6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q320c299e4780262d6e09","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":871,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-14T20:46:25.389Z","text":"6/17 emergency motion to stay sentencing is denied - 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vacate","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qba90ae3bdbbb6f6a005c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q88cfbe7d3e1881925d0b","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":874,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-14T20:54:56.977Z","text":"Adm stay 和vacate 还没拒","edited":false,"reply_to":"q372913f07f15a488a734","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q88cfbe7d3e1881925d0b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q372913f07f15a488a734","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qee7eba8e5f4d98761c35","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":875,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-14T20:59:00.098Z","text":"这个就是弗林将军？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1aacee43631d229cbfb6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qee7eba8e5f4d98761c35","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1aacee43631d229cbfb6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q8b239d5b36c05742e1de","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":876,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-14T21:00:35.332Z","text":"https://youtu.be/3EPOmiAxgaA?si=G9PkxEbFYK83oopU","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8b239d5b36c05742e1de","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q5c8687b54a507e106600","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":877,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-14T21:00:52.032Z","text":"现在郭先生的案件在二巡有了案件号，没强制令 没上二巡的，可以上了：\n\n可以用自己的事实要求与郭案合并","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5c8687b54a507e106600","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qf3c0f70b4480986c5633","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":878,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-14T21:02:47.745Z","text":"就是福林","edited":false,"reply_to":"qee7eba8e5f4d98761c35","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf3c0f70b4480986c5633","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qee7eba8e5f4d98761c35","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q5d2166f4b446e738b860","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":879,"speaker":"nin***","date":"2026-07-14T21:51:04.999Z","text":"别听TMD这帮控制美国鸾童癖，全是造假，撒谎。它们是在巩固自己利义和寻找可控的傀儡继续奴疫中国人。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d2166f4b446e738b860","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qbeac6932151aa5ab2158","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":880,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-14T22:09:10.862Z","text":"14日之内可以要求rehearing 或 clarification of order，但救济要窄","edited":false,"reply_to":"qef3455ee52106d3b1586","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbeac6932151aa5ab2158","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qef3455ee52106d3b1586","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qff80d08673d5097b9146","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":881,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-14T22:10:02.844Z","text":"如果救济太宽，二巡可以summary 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Luc A. Despins 与郭美（Mei Guo）之间的争议。\n核心背景\n法院此前已认定郭美构成民事藐视，并命令她在2026年1月30日前支付受托人因执行禁令产生的律师费和费用，共 371,889.99美元。郭美虽然提出上诉，但没有申请暂停执行，因此付款义务仍然有效。她未按期付款，受托人再次申请认定她违反藐视命令并要求进一步制裁。\n法院的主要认定\n民事藐视通常需要证明：\n原法院命令清楚明确；\n未遵守命令的证据达到清楚且令人信服的程度；\n当事人没有以合理方式勤勉努力遵守命令。\n郭美没有争议前两个条件，只主张自己已经努力履行。\n法院不接受这一解释，主要理由包括：\n她称自己误以为上诉期间不用付款，但原命令没有暂停付款的内容；\n在付款期限届满前，她没有采取实际履行措施，也未确认自己的法律理解是否正确；\n她提出从中国银行账户付款，但该账户自2024年起已被冻结，而且她自己也不确定银行是否会执行提款命令；\n请求亲属帮助付款，也不足以证明她本人进行了勤勉、合理的履行努力。\n因此，法院再次认定郭美违反此前藐视命令，构成持续的民事藐视。\n关于郭美是否有付款能力\n郭美主张自己没有收入、无力支付罚款。但法院认为其证据不可信或不足，因为记录显示：\n她居住的纽约公寓月租约为17,000美元，由男友、亲友资助；\n她的生活、信用卡和其他费用也由男友及亲友承担；\n自2025年3月以来，两名表亲和一名姨妈共向其男友提供约 250,000至460,000美元；\n她此前还承认亲友曾提供大量现金资助咖啡店。\n法院认为，这些资金本可以用于履行法院命令，因此郭美没有完成证明“无力支付”的举证责任。\n最终制裁\n法院批准受托人的动议，并命令：\n郭美支付受托人为提出和处理本次藐视动议产生的合理律师费和费用，具体金额以后确定；\n受托人须在2026年7月24日前提交费用证明；\n郭美可在2026年8月7日前提出异议；\n自2026年7月2日起，郭美每天向法院支付 1,000美元罚款，直到她履行义务并解除藐视状态为止\n**一句话概括：**法院认为郭美并非真正无力付款，而是没有采取足够、合理且勤勉的措施履行既有命令，因此再次认定其民事藐视，并施加每日1,000美元的持续强制性罚款。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q211ceebfc89fe4e2777b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q8880f6c903d20a4aca10","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":890,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-15T01:16:49.034Z","text":"郭美（不知真假）的众筹是民事罚款，不是刑事犯罪的辩护款，Percy就是胡说八道🤪","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7c1b95e0f8494ad9c18e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8880f6c903d20a4aca10","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7c1b95e0f8494ad9c18e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qe259abf888e42298a2e5","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":891,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-07-15T02:20:39.012Z","text":"https://gettr.com/post/p41ucy4b4eb","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe259abf888e42298a2e5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q65e132c5648faa4cd2b8","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":892,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-07-15T03:18:10.330Z","text":"给南区发邮件，可以不留家庭地址。@ [删节：成员身份]","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q65e132c5648faa4cd2b8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qeddec0352eed5c65aeae","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":893,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-07-15T03:32:56.383Z","text":"是可以不留地址？还是仅仅不留家庭地址，但还是得留一个真实的可邮寄的地址？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q65e132c5648faa4cd2b8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeddec0352eed5c65aeae","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q65e132c5648faa4cd2b8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q3b000481f18b72e31d05","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":894,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-15T03:43:04.811Z","text":"必须有一个可邮寄到地址","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3b000481f18b72e31d05","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q3b32a73f72c2a229e3dd","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":895,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-15T03:44:05.901Z","text":"因为材料寄给二巡， 他们接下来会有一系列资料 让你填","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3b32a73f72c2a229e3dd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q263c7288e8f5058e9724","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":896,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-15T04:05:18.762Z","text":"https://x.com/ruienxiaoge777/status/2077243020819443759?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q263c7288e8f5058e9724","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q03a7a81f63657a545593","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":897,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-07-15T04:09:47.867Z","text":"他们问你要再给不迟。有邮箱号或者手机号再加涂黑版本就可以了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qeddec0352eed5c65aeae","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q03a7a81f63657a545593","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeddec0352eed5c65aeae","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qd541277cecec19d582f2","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":898,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-07-15T04:11:30.101Z","text":"给二巡的首次邮件需要邮寄地址，立案后报个案件号加上自己的简名就可以了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3b32a73f72c2a229e3dd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd541277cecec19d582f2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3b32a73f72c2a229e3dd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q7952f90ec31baa4e6689","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":899,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-15T04:33:17.291Z","text":"传一下谣：暗杀川普行动曝光\n\n2026年7月12日 10:34 1138人 星标\n这绝不是一次普通的行程变动，而是一场发生在三万英尺高空的“猎杀与反猎杀”潜流。如果我们把地缘政治比作冰山，那么呈现在新闻通稿里的“安全预防措施”，不过是露出水面的冰山一角；而在那之下，是一场由军事情报部门、影子政府、硅谷供应链黑客共同编织的惊天罗网。\n\n今天，我们就顺着网络上流传最广的蛛丝马迹，将这场发生在2026年7月9日安卡拉机场的“专机惊魂”，还原成一篇极其详实的内幕拼图。\n一、卡塔尔的“大礼”与被渗透的供应链\n\n故事的起点，要追溯到那架停在土耳其安卡拉机场跑道上、散发着奢华冷光的全新波音747-8客机。\n\n这架飞机是卡塔尔王室赠送给川普政府的顶级座驾，原本被视为中东地缘关系破冰的象征。为了将其改装为符合美国总统出行标准的“临时空军一号”，它在过去几个月里接受了高规格的内部升级。然而，危险恰恰发生在这个无人察觉的改装阶段。\n在现代航空工业中，一架飞机的软硬件由成百上千家跨国供应商提供。根据“传闻”中的军情线报，所谓的“深层国家”走了一步极其隐蔽的险棋——供应链渗透。\n他们没有采取传统的在飞机上绑炸药这种低级手段，而是在这架波音747-8的飞控系统核心芯片中，植入了一段“逻辑炸弹”。这个恶意固件在地面检测、起飞滑行时都会处于完全休眠状态，甚至能完美骗过特勤局最严苛的电子扫描。它的激活条件极其严苛且精准：当飞机爬升至30000英尺绝对高度、气压达到特定数值、且GPS坐标显示进入地中海或黑海上空时，该系统将自动启动。\n一旦启动，它会强行切断机长的手动驾驶权限，模拟出一次“不可逆的液压系统全面失效”与“多发同时熄火”的灾难场景。在外界看来，这只会是一场由于新机改装不当导致的“不幸空难”。\n二、兰利数据中心的致命信号\n\n7月9日凌晨，安卡拉的夜空低沉。川普的随行车队已经整装待发，按照原定计划，总统将登上这架崭新的波音747-8。\n然而，在远隔大西洋的美国维吉尼亚州兰利——美国中央情报局总部所在地的一个地下数据中心里，一组异常的高度加密通信突然被美国军事情报部门及国家安全局内忠于总统的节点捕获。\n\n这是一段采用了军用级量子加密的信号，其最终指向的目标IP，正是安卡拉机场那架波音747-8的卫星通信接收端口。这段信号并不是为了在地面摧毁飞机，而是为了发送最后的“校准指令”，确保飞机在飞越高危空域时，恶意固件能够百分之百触发。\n间谍战中最惊心动魄的时刻往往悄无声息。军情部门在拦截并破译了这段前置激活码后，冷汗直接打湿了值班官员的后背。他们意识到，对手要的不仅是川普的命，更要用一场“武装部队总司令死于非命”的超级混乱，让整个华盛顿陷入群龙无首的宪政危机。\n情报在第一时间内递到了川普的首席安全顾问手中。此时，距离原定起飞时间只有不到40分钟。\n三、11小时的“幽灵切变”\n\n如果立刻公开宣布飞机遭到黑客渗透，势必打草惊蛇，让潜伏在各部门的内线迅速销毁证据、断网潜逃。川普做出了一个充满现实主义商业博弈色彩的决定：将计就计，请君入瓮。\n在安卡拉机场，一场精心编排的“视觉魔术”上演了。\n新专机的发动机开始轰鸣，地勤人员照常进行着最后的起飞准备。甚至连随行记者的行李都已经贴上了新飞机的标签。然而在最后一刻，内卫部队突然封锁了停机坪的特定通道。\n川普并没有走向那架高科技的波音747-8，而是转身登上了旁边那架虽然稍显老旧、但所有关键飞控系统均采用传统模拟信号备份、具备全套防核电磁脉冲硬化外壳的老款“空军一号”（VC-25A）。\n旧专机的舱门轰然关闭。为了防止地面尾随的间谍通过光学或无线电手段察觉异常，机长下达了三条死命令：\n1. 全机随行人员和记者，立刻拉下所有舷窗遮阳板，严禁向外窥视。\n2. 切断机舱内所有民用Wi-Fi和蜂窝网络连接。\n3. 飞机离地后，立刻关闭民用 ADS-B 雷达应答机，进入无线电静默状态。

\n那架被动了手脚的新波音747-8，则以“空机测试”的名义飞往了英国的一处秘密军事基地。在三万英尺的高空，陷阱没有等来它的猎物，反而毫无保留地在军情部门的监控网络中暴露出了一条完整的、通往兰利深处的暗杀指挥链。\n\n四、《纽约时报》的“早产稿件”与数字足迹\n\n这场“将计就计”的反击，最精彩的部分不在空中，而在地面。\n就在旧空军一号滑向跑道的同一时间，华盛顿和纽约的几名《纽约时报》资深政治记者的手机和邮箱里，几乎同时收到了联邦特警与军情部门的紧急传唤书。\n为什么要动媒体？因为“深层国家”的这场剧本，媒体是极其重要的一环。\n军情部门在顺藤摸瓜清理暗杀网络的数字足迹时，黑客部队攻破了某些特定的内部云端服务器。他们震惊地发现，早在川普车队出发前往安卡拉机场之前，《纽约时报》的某些特定编辑后台里，","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7952f90ec31baa4e6689","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qfb8a1429b7b579e9095d","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":900,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-15T04:33:21.932Z","text":"就已经撰写完毕并排版好了多篇关于“总统专机在地中海坠毁、全员生还无望”的突发新闻特稿。\n这些稿件甚至详细到了“分析可能由于中东供应链零件老化导致技术故障”的伪装原因。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfb8a1429b7b579e9095d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qa56f30d9c7c4a87b6ace","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":901,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-15T04:33:51.582Z","text":"这已经不是正常的“名人讣告预写”（媒体常备项目），因为这些稿件的更新时间、涉及的特定坠机海域坐标，与兰利发出的黑客激活码里预设的参数完全吻合。这些媒体人不是在等新闻，他们是在等一通“尘埃落定”的电话，然后按下发布键，用排山倒海的舆论带节奏，掩盖政治暗杀的真相。\n传唤这些记者，就是为了用铁一般的数字足迹，把这些平时自诩为“第四权力”的无冕之王，死死钉在“叛国罪共谋”的审讯椅上。\n\n五、不可直视的深渊\n\n“猎人变成了猎物，清洗已经开始。”\n这场流传于网络深处的惊天谣言，之所以能让无数人深信不疑并津津乐道，是因为它完美符合了大众对现代权力斗争的终极想象：精密的科技渗透、冷酷的媒体合谋、以及最后时刻的绝地逆转。\n故事里，老款“空军一号”在漆黑的夜幕中关闭雷达、拉下百叶窗，像一头幽灵般穿过高危的国际空域。它带走的不仅是一位总统，更带走了一张掀翻影子政府暗杀网络的终极底牌。而地面上那些惊魂未定的叛徒们，正看着空无一物的陷阱，等待着即将到来的致命清算。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa56f30d9c7c4a87b6ace","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q865dc3bb82e8a830bc46","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":902,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-15T04:34:18.875Z","text":"网上有人发的。供娱乐","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q865dc3bb82e8a830bc46","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qcd5842bfa20b1118c45f","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":903,"speaker":"sug***","date":"2026-07-15T04:38:34.036Z","text":"一个叫莆田的公众号发的，作者是保守派，对美国当下的政治有着深刻的洞察","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7952f90ec31baa4e6689","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcd5842bfa20b1118c45f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7952f90ec31baa4e6689","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q32baace1a0410415365a","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":904,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-15T04:39:32.329Z","text":"Lindsey Gram ， 突然死了。还会有更多人突然死的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q32baace1a0410415365a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q9e614bd8d373a527e3d9","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":905,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-07-15T05:50:01.379Z","text":"B组的 in tandem 增加到8位 petitioners 申请人了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e614bd8d373a527e3d9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q1af4f87e322960a24ced","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":906,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2026-07-15T06:12:16.573Z","text":"要是真正看了一年群的，会不知道大家早都参与自诉了？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc89feda79cb04c10693d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1af4f87e322960a24ced","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc89feda79cb04c10693d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q81cd401e19a7f37b7c85","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":907,"speaker":"0x_***","date":"2026-07-15T06:20:14.509Z","text":"搜不到这个号","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcd5842bfa20b1118c45f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q81cd401e19a7f37b7c85","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcd5842bfa20b1118c45f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qf736b8f9037ce79b3a0d","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":908,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-15T06:22:25.774Z","text":"他说他是郭帅","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1af4f87e322960a24ced","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf736b8f9037ce79b3a0d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1af4f87e322960a24ced","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qf06daca1da64907b3d60","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":909,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-15T06:30:34.331Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 863还没二巡？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf06daca1da64907b3d60","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q8b156dfa61ca4e43b284","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":910,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-07-15T06:35:03.014Z","text":"863有点莫名其妙，没有立案，把强制令serve给南区的那份给上传了。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8b156dfa61ca4e43b284","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qdad4fa9017ce2997511f","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":911,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-07-15T06:38:19.940Z","text":"如果二巡最终没立案，不知道南区是干了个什么事情。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdad4fa9017ce2997511f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qda61727d2c8604782c35","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":912,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-15T06:47:32.806Z","text":"又来新书记员了？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qda61727d2c8604782c35","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q7d0971932d34c6785f37","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":913,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-07-15T07:10:35.746Z","text":"有上传serve的精力，都不上传提交给南区的原始文件。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7d0971932d34c6785f37","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q2d1b5ab4cf446f2595ae","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":914,"speaker":"sug***","date":"2026-07-15T07:23:21.067Z","text":"关于需要填写邮寄地址，除填自住房外，请问收件地址这块有更好的建议吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qeddec0352eed5c65aeae","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2d1b5ab4cf446f2595ae","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeddec0352eed5c65aeae","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qf5db3641110d0b67e88a","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":915,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-07-15T07:28:21.883Z","text":"联盟里的那帮家伙真会睁眼说瞎话，把明明是一坨屎的王雁平硬要说成是金子、是英雄。而且上上下下、所有的直播、推特上、盖特上都放出王是英雄的宣传图片。\n真TMD, 我那时候还居然毫不犹豫地接受了这种说辞。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q543a265b0ba9f7fecd89","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf5db3641110d0b67e88a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q543a265b0ba9f7fecd89","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q1da8da9f47062747e0d2","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":916,"speaker":"nev***","date":"2026-07-15T07:54:42.482Z","text":"https://x.com/baoliaogeming64/status/2077260957365969289?","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1da8da9f47062747e0d2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qda297592e36a9cb02517","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":917,"speaker":"nev***","date":"2026-07-15T07:57:04.971Z","text":"之前看他的推文挺多的，后来他是假郭美传播者","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qda297592e36a9cb02517","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q76b3389a49b18e6b9f48","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":918,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-07-15T08:51:17.879Z","text":"可以填中转地址。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2d1b5ab4cf446f2595ae","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q76b3389a49b18e6b9f48","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2d1b5ab4cf446f2595ae","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q57c9c0b9081ca68b31ad","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":919,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-15T10:15:49.544Z","text":"王认罪 到郭有罪\n中间有一个alter ego\n这个和破产案有关\n而破产案luc能进来，又离不开王的同意没收","edited":false,"reply_to":"q543a265b0ba9f7fecd89","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q57c9c0b9081ca68b31ad","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q543a265b0ba9f7fecd89","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qe27aefcf9cd91c5a3197","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":920,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-15T10:16:05.690Z","text":"检方 还是在玩儿先有鸡再有蛋的游戏\n简单一句话 先上车 再补票","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe27aefcf9cd91c5a3197","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q192ef529c36e6c8687bb","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":921,"speaker":"nin***","date":"2026-07-15T11:57:39.596Z","text":"这个案子唯一要解决的问题是资产姓共还是姓私，姓私必须是合法财产，姓共Luc就是派来收缴的。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q57c9c0b9081ca68b31ad","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q192ef529c36e6c8687bb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q57c9c0b9081ca68b31ad","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q747e51ff0c2f0f65d92d","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":922,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-15T12:14:46.130Z","text":"我那里候虽然有点懵，但是也相信是七哥来电，还以为她认罪是为了自己扛罪什么的（电影情节上身），也跟着说她是英雄😨","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf5db3641110d0b67e88a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q747e51ff0c2f0f65d92d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf5db3641110d0b67e88a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qf8cf7213d75e28983fbc","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":923,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-15T12:15:07.423Z","text":"Tony把王案没收破了\nluc进不来刑事案\n破产案和刑事案不能并案\n刑事案检方 就没法通过破产案补票","edited":false,"reply_to":"q192ef529c36e6c8687bb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf8cf7213d75e28983fbc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q192ef529c36e6c8687bb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qc8c78f230614af3b8a33","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":924,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-15T12:16:18.369Z","text":"新的没案件号怎么能看到？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb8164f55410caf1af40f","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc8c78f230614af3b8a33","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q7dc79a36cb7309fc3ba6","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":925,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-15T12:18:36.192Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 我知道以你[删节：隐私信息]的SB智商，看不懂\n但是你背后的主子，看得懂，所以给你下了死命令，就是不许谈王案，喜交所，和余，对不对🤣 🤣 🤣","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7dc79a36cb7309fc3ba6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qebf27bf50884583adac9","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":926,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-15T12:25:32.329Z","text":"可以在二巡的搜新立案的， 按照时间搜， 就是麻烦。先等等。\n\n过几天二巡还会给当事人邮寄一些表格 / 如果拒绝 会打回","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc8c78f230614af3b8a33","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qebf27bf50884583adac9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc8c78f230614af3b8a33","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q3dc2f6d43f499af6261b","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":927,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-15T12:45:41.317Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 原来是这样啊🤣 🤣 🤣 \n[删节：隐私信息]，护盖尔，护喜交所\n长岛时期的一个授权书，让盖尔成了喜交所6000人的代理律师（权限不局限于诉sec的案子）\n这6000人，在诈骗案里，发挥什么用处，盖尔一个人说了算\n难怪 [删节：隐私信息] 始终认盖尔当爹，这才是抱大腿啊，他往哪边倒，哪边赢🤣 🤣 🤣\n这个局，从长岛时期，就设计好了","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3dc2f6d43f499af6261b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qcea44533d06c55e45fad","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":928,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-15T13:47:49.569Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 被螺丝哥废了 螺丝哥把郭案变成没有律师敢参与了","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcea44533d06c55e45fad","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qe2cc2cb5177d542d10eb","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":929,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-07-15T13:54:55.015Z","text":"螺丝哥是新中国的盘古","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe2cc2cb5177d542d10eb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q16da25e23656c633ce1c","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":930,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-07-15T13:55:10.518Z","text":"这个淘喵活该倒霉，说不定被人做掉都有可能。\n这个家伙我以前跟他还是互关的。在我看来，他至少做了三件恶事：\n1. 315之后还在推广A10；\n2. 就在大家开始怀疑郭美的账号之后，他还在过分强调郭美的账号是真的；\n3. 郭被抓之后，他完全跟着联盟的节奏说着 Free Miles Guo的话，丝毫没有进此群参加过讨论。照理，他经常发贴对美国的总统讲话、新闻进行过义务翻译，他应该会第一时间解读文贵先生的法律文件。可是他在这方面总是装聋作哑。\n这个家伙应该还是有点钱的，曾经晒过他的特斯拉豪车停在沙滩边。\n一般的人，平时又不露脸露声，突然把自己的健康状态这种最大的个人隐私主动放岀来。作为这种大伽级人物，据说还是个老椅子💺，这要收多少钱才发这种近乎是死刑判决书呀。\n估计绞肉机模式就要开始了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1da8da9f47062747e0d2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q16da25e23656c633ce1c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1da8da9f47062747e0d2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q21d5bcbb242255849ddd","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":931,"speaker":"lon***","date":"2026-07-15T15:57:02.329Z","text":"淘猫那个货，从加州搬德州的时候一直都在联系\n315后就发现他不对了，小骂大帮忙玩的非常的精彩","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q21d5bcbb242255849ddd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q4644e3c87c0b3277c245","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":932,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-15T17:04:02.896Z","text":"各位正在给二巡写材料的， 除了1651， 也可以再参考FRAP 21 （把这个也加上）","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4644e3c87c0b3277c245","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q84df4d21673675d5e72f","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":933,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-15T18:15:15.828Z","text":"[删节：成员身份] 老郭上诉好像把2023年的关联case 23-6421 23-6685一起弄进来了","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q84df4d21673675d5e72f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q61e7c3bbd2e72b015d6a","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":934,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-15T18:16:40.057Z","text":"越来越精彩了！ 共产党自己参与了这个案件是不容置疑的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q61e7c3bbd2e72b015d6a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qf5026aa77d7a29b2ec6e","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":935,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-15T18:17:07.748Z","text":"这俩case好像都是sdny的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf5026aa77d7a29b2ec6e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q5efc1faaa1f762c1fbcd","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":936,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-15T18:17:29.996Z","text":"看看那些大外宣， 只提诈骗， 就知道共产党怕什么","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5efc1faaa1f762c1fbcd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q558d9d4ace5f804096e5","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":937,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-15T19:05:46.841Z","text":"郭都判了30年，你还在这群泡着浪费时间","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf7915a3c0cd5bd457c68","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q558d9d4ace5f804096e5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qdafb872713ba2919f823","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":938,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-15T19:06:18.344Z","text":"一两年之内不会有什么结果了，我劝你去做别的事情吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdafb872713ba2919f823","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q1214e13172caa3a964a1","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":939,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-15T19:07:46.048Z","text":"回本也是一两年之后的事情了🤪","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1214e13172caa3a964a1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qb1b9e817844b7a452901","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":940,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-07-15T19:15:45.523Z","text":"王雁平是不是毕业于洛阳外国语学院？@ [删节：成员身份]","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb1b9e817844b7a452901","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q014e1896ac4ba72aabbc","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":941,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-15T19:34:17.271Z","text":"https://x.com/i/status/2076081352802472178","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q014e1896ac4ba72aabbc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q0fce98d3703e10551557","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":942,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-15T19:37:28.361Z","text":"https://x.com/i/status/2073838059586560483","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0fce98d3703e10551557","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q781528cc1239da882ab6","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":943,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-15T19:51:15.743Z","text":"https://x.com/i/status/2040181014203613561","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q781528cc1239da882ab6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qbdda9a6f8f126f30ca84","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":944,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-15T19:52:57.691Z","text":"👆 虽然已经量刑，但是如果出现重大新证据，还是有重审的机会","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbdda9a6f8f126f30ca84","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q3d78c64099750d89d284","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":945,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-15T19:53:39.812Z","text":"美国案件坐牢10年之后，出现新证据然后翻案的案例也有很多。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3d78c64099750d89d284","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q17803fe9ce91ac169522","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":946,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-15T20:09:54.641Z","text":"二巡会继续传唤拿着文件的那个律师吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q84df4d21673675d5e72f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q17803fe9ce91ac169522","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q84df4d21673675d5e72f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qde59689ec6312d453712","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":947,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-15T20:12:22.515Z","text":"老郭已经上诉了，现在再提交的东西还有用吗？上诉不是不能提交新证据吗？ ［用户 kir***］","edited":true,"reply_to":"q4644e3c87c0b3277c245","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qde59689ec6312d453712","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4644e3c87c0b3277c245","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q012c83901eddc3d83726","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":948,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-15T20:13:12.339Z","text":"不能提交新证据 但是你本来就在这个案件里面","edited":false,"reply_to":"qde59689ec6312d453712","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q012c83901eddc3d83726","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qde59689ec6312d453712","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q8513c0b59f3e46a3c0f5","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":949,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-15T20:13:25.614Z","text":"你的行动都属于案件的行动","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8513c0b59f3e46a3c0f5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q0972060ef12d059973fc","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":950,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-15T20:16:19.639Z","text":"在美国联邦刑事案件中，量刑后发现重大新证据会产生什么后果，取决于：\n新证据是什么；\n谁发现的；\n证据影响的是定罪、量刑、赔偿、没收还是程序公正\n1. 如果新证据影响被告是否有罪\n这是最典型的“新发现证据”。\n例如：\n新的证人出现；\n新的视频证明不在场；\n新的文件推翻关键证据。\n这种情况下，被告可能申请：\nRule 33 Motion for New Trial（新审判动议）；\n在上诉中申请发回重审；\n后续 habeas/collateral review。\n如果证据足够强，理论上可能导致：\n撤销量刑；\n撤销定罪；\n重审。\n2. 如果新证据影响量刑\n例如：\nPSR中的损失金额重大错误；\n法院依赖了错误事实；\n某关键证人后来承认作伪证。\n这种情况下可能导致：\nresentencing（重新量刑）；\nlimited remand（有限发回）；\ncorrection of sentence。\n但必须证明：\n法官在量刑时实际依赖了错误事实。\n不是所有新证据都会导致重新量刑。\n3. 如果新证据涉及 Brady 问题\n例如：\n政府掌握了有利证据却未披露。\n如果后来发现：\n检方隐瞒文件；\n隐瞒证人信息；\n隐瞒有利材料；\n则可能构成：\nBrady violation\nGiglio violation\n严重情况下：\n撤销判决；\n重审；\n重新量刑。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0972060ef12d059973fc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qa3cc93974e0a547bc35d","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":951,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-15T20:18:15.276Z","text":"意思是不能再有新人参与了？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q012c83901eddc3d83726","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa3cc93974e0a547bc35d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q012c83901eddc3d83726","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q9ea57ff21f34258a73fb","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":952,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-15T20:22:56.198Z","text":"一般来说，量刑后，此前未参与案件的人仍然有可能提出 CVRA 动议和 § 853(n) 动议，但两者的情况很不一样。\n一、§ 853(n) 动议\n这是最明确的。\n量刑后完全可能提出\n实际上，§ 853(n) 本来就是在刑事判决和没收令之后运行的程序。\n第三方通常不是刑事案件当事人，因此国会专门设计了 ancillary proceeding（附属程序）让第三方主张财产权。\n所以：\n不是原告\n不是被告\n从未参与过案件\n量刑已经结束\n都不一定妨碍提出 § 853(n)。\n真正关键的是：\n是否对被没收财产拥有可主张的法律权益。\n如果有，就可能具有 standing。\n二、CVRA 动议\nCVRA 要复杂得多。\n理论上可以\n法律并没有规定：\n量刑结束后，任何人都永远不能再提出 CVRA 动议。\n所以新人仍然可能提出：\n请求认定受害人身份；\n请求确认 CVRA 权利；\n请求说明此前为何未被纳入受害人程序。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ea57ff21f34258a73fb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q024978f87bc6a207da25","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":953,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-15T20:22:58.055Z","text":"新你妈了个逼的证据 现有证据够推翻一万回","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0972060ef12d059973fc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q024978f87bc6a207da25","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0972060ef12d059973fc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q20acae0230b7f8dc5e23","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":954,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-15T20:24:03.598Z","text":"https://x.com/i/status/2068130665032503797","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q20acae0230b7f8dc5e23","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q6cc489b329182fe22d6c","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":955,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-15T20:24:32.506Z","text":"👆 如果国内的战友有被中共抓捕和迫害的证据，现在还是可以提交","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6cc489b329182fe22d6c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q3bc0cd45e6559520e749","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":956,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-07-15T20:27:18.822Z","text":"地区法院量完刑了，投资者之前没有引用CVRA申请救济，现在二巡怎么会搭理你，南区量完刑了，完全可以拒绝投资者初始动议，你新证据没有路径上去了，说这种废话有毛用","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3bc0cd45e6559520e749","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qa734a36cc168804afa10","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":957,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-15T20:27:59.586Z","text":"谁说新证据没有途径上去了？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3bc0cd45e6559520e749","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa734a36cc168804afa10","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3bc0cd45e6559520e749","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q1d72b437be1dc66b5fb5","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":958,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-07-15T20:28:07.630Z","text":"螺丝哥那是在量刑前说的，你TM故意在量刑后搞这些忽悠","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1d72b437be1dc66b5fb5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q3133e541fafac4bc8cdf","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":959,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-15T20:28:18.114Z","text":"美国案件坐牢10年，都有人发现新证据，推翻案件的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3133e541fafac4bc8cdf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q37916b671df367da0bba","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":960,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-15T20:28:33.560Z","text":"你们这么害怕有人提交新证据啊？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q37916b671df367da0bba","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q3dd90d4ff7e41d122be0","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":961,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-15T20:29:05.095Z","text":"这个案子如果是用来灭共的，灭共的证据当然是越多越好了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3dd90d4ff7e41d122be0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q8f65d4dacfe3501a29a7","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":962,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-15T20:29:29.898Z","text":"总不能让你们这些人垄断自诉吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8f65d4dacfe3501a29a7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q0248826393eb5af15995","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":963,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-15T20:34:29.166Z","text":"如果现在有人掌握了对被告有利（exculpatory 或 mitigating）的新证据，提交途径主要取决于这个人的身份，以及案件目前处于什么阶段。\n在你提到的郭案背景下（已量刑、已上诉），通常有以下几条路：\n1. 直接向被告律师提供\n这是最常见、也往往最有效的方式。\n如果证据可能：\n证明某项事实错误；\n减轻责任；\n影响损失计算；\n影响量刑因素；\n削弱某证人的可信度；\n那么最直接的方法通常是把材料交给辩护律师。\n然后由辩护律师决定：\n是否在上诉中使用；\n是否申请发回（remand）；\n是否提出其他动议。\n2. 向检方提供\n如果证据具有重大真实性和可靠性，也可以向检方提供。\n例如：\n新文件；\n新证人；\n新的交易记录；\n检方收到后可能：\n调查真实性；\n向法院说明情况；\n在极少数情况下同意某种补救措施。\n当然，如果证据明显有利于被告，检方未必会接受其法律意义，但仍然可以接收材料。\n3. 向地区法院提交声明或材料\n如果提交人本身具有法律利益（例如受害人、第三方财产权主张人等），可以尝试通过动议或声明向地区法院提交。\n但需要注意：\n量刑后且案件已上诉时，地区法院处理能力会受到限制。\n法院首先会问：\n提交人是谁？有什么法律地位（standing）？\n一个完全无关的旁观者直接向法院提交材料，法院未必会采取行动。\n4. 向上诉法院提交\n如果案件正在上诉，理论上可以向第二巡回法院提交有关新发展的通知。\n但有一个重要原则：\n上诉法院通常审查原审记录（record below）。\n因此，新证据本身通常不会自动成为上诉记录的一部分。\n很多时候需要先通过地区法院程序处理。\n5. 如果证据极其重大\n例如：\n证明关键证人作伪证；\n证明关键事实根本不成立；\n证明损失金额计算存在重大错误；\n那么最终最可能利用这些证据的人仍然是：\n被告本人；\n被告律师；\n因为他们最有资格寻求：\n新审判；\n发回重审；\n重新量刑；\n其他后判决救济。\n如果这个人既不是被告，也不是律师\n假设出现一个新人：\n“我掌握一份文件，对郭有利。”\n最现实的顺序通常是：\n保存原件和来源；\n联系辩护律师；\n必要时联系检方；\n如果自己具有独立法律利益，再考虑向法院提交声明。\n单纯把材料寄给法院，往往不是最有效的途径，因为法院通常需要一个适当的程序载体（motion、appeal、petition 等）来处理新证据。\n所以，对于“对被告有利的新证据”，最常见、最有效的入口通常是被告的上诉律师，而不是直接向法院提交。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0248826393eb5af15995","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q8cee14dfd46d4c6ab7c8","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":964,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-07-15T20:36:56.219Z","text":"https://x.com/sarahzh67248600/status/2077492443784860027?s=12&t=eXMPp66CZUFD_7vvMedcSA","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8cee14dfd46d4c6ab7c8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q29f3a43a3a8941632c4d","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":965,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-07-15T20:57:35.517Z","text":"https://x.com/sarahzh67248600/status/2077497715987251204?s=12&t=eXMPp66CZUFD_7vvMedcSA","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q29f3a43a3a8941632c4d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q3c2b609ffcbbfcc45ee0","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":966,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-07-15T21:11:15.712Z","text":"你这个人真是坏呀，量刑前投资人可以用向南区发动议，南区不搭理就可以用CVRA权力去二巡。量完刑后，南区和二巡都会依法拒绝新的动议，没有路径了，这时候你叫投资人私自把证据给上诉律师，破坏老郭的上诉。而把有利老郭的证据给检方，你真是个[屏蔽词]","edited":true,"reply_to":"q0248826393eb5af15995","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3c2b609ffcbbfcc45ee0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0248826393eb5af15995","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qfbb8b67e34315b5b3b3b","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":967,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-15T22:01:04.517Z","text":"有一点可以澄清一下：\n\n那些上了南区 但是没有被南区理会， 是可以上二巡的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfbb8b67e34315b5b3b3b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q5e59677a21f4865e2b04","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":968,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-15T22:10:27.515Z","text":"是啊，不是有200多人上了南区吗？这些人都不跟进的？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5e59677a21f4865e2b04","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qe1b783835e5387f1d6e8","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":969,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-07-15T22:12:35.410Z","text":"郭先生破产案的源头- 2017年4月18日PAX对郭先生已经偿还的3000万个人担保的起诉，从一开始法官由于管辖地原因不立case，到后面突然同意，建议判决，上亿的罚单\n\n2022年七哥宣布个人破产后，秘翻组织拼图节目挖PAG，挖单伟建，当时都挖出了德国副总理，姚家的私生子-管理慈航基金的，等信息！\n后来PAX要求和解，我们把之前做的视频都删除了，结果luc干预和解… 然后拼图开始做普横跟中共的合作等节目，挖出来普横有非常大的利益冲突\n\n至于luc如何干预和解的？谁参与了干预和解？跟债权人委员会是否有关，慢慢看！！！\n\n灭爆小组是多条路线来伤害爆料革命，郭先生，就像2017年的各路游说大军一样，除了习死皇do my favor的电话，刘特作，吴征，连苏世民都参与了遣返郭先生的游说…\n\n好戏才要开始！七哥说过司法部会帮战友把币核清楚，喜币是灭共的！！！\n\n练好心脏，等待一切揭晓！战友们该干嘛干嘛，只要不被口舌莫辨 装神弄鬼的小人，伪君子骗了就行！🤭✌️🍿🙏","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe1b783835e5387f1d6e8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qf82af7b63802c72fa2a0","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":970,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-15T22:13:44.916Z","text":"都可以去二巡跟进","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5e59677a21f4865e2b04","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf82af7b63802c72fa2a0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5e59677a21f4865e2b04","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q484d63e8cbdd99e768ba","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":971,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-15T22:14:54.243Z","text":"这些人可以引用郭案的二巡号， 要求与其并案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q484d63e8cbdd99e768ba","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q25ddce10656bb5cebfe7","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":972,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-07-15T22:18:06.785Z","text":"是指那些寫了自訴未被立案的200人？可能他們不知道可以上二巡用強制令令南區必須立案。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5e59677a21f4865e2b04","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q25ddce10656bb5cebfe7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5e59677a21f4865e2b04","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q721782d15d5d8ea9aab5","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":973,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-15T22:29:37.784Z","text":"Wray Comey 都参与了掩盖行动","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q721782d15d5d8ea9aab5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q5f9a3728adeaa677d251","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":974,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-07-15T22:31:17.182Z","text":"https://x.com/carolz20180214/status/2077520689146327482?s=12&t=eXMPp66CZUFD_7vvMedcSA","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f9a3728adeaa677d251","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qd653ce631fd3abf8096b","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":975,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-15T22:52:04.926Z","text":"https://x.com/ruienxiaoge777/status/2077526606051233877?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd653ce631fd3abf8096b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qd6e5de9115afd9f26fce","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":976,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-07-15T22:53:47.871Z","text":"我下次还可以说具有人身自由的郭强和郭美都找我聊天，一聊就是几个小时。😂","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1513ac59ad75d639e25a","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd6e5de9115afd9f26fce","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qc9a8368527ce4a5ac299","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":977,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-15T23:16:52.300Z","text":"是的。\n一般来说，投资人完全可以联系辩方律师并向其提供证据。美国没有规则禁止投资人、客户、证人或其他知情人向辩方提供信息。\n事实上，在许多刑事案件中，辩护律师会接收来自：\n投资人；\n客户；\n员工；\n前员工；\n证人；\n第三方调查人员；\n家属；\n提供的材料。\n关键不是你是不是投资人，而是：\n你提供的证据是否真实、可靠、与案件有关。\n可以提供什么？\n例如：\n合同；\n购买记录；\n银行流水；\n邮件；\n聊天记录；\n宣传材料；\n录音录像；\n证人陈述；\n能证明某项事实错误的文件。\n辩方律师会怎么做？\n收到后通常有几种可能：\n1. 认为证据重要\n律师可能：\n联系你进一步了解情况；\n要求补充材料；\n作为上诉材料的一部分调查；\n考虑是否寻求进一步救济。\n2. 认为证据价值有限\n律师可能：\n存档；\n不使用；\n不回复。\n这是律师的专业判断。\n如果案件已经上诉\n在郭案目前这种已量刑、已上诉的阶段，\n如果一个投资人发现：\n新证据；\n新文件；\n关键事实被误解；\n那么首先联系辩方律师通常是最自然的做法。\n因为最终能够利用这些证据寻求：\n发回重审；\n重新量刑；\n其他上诉救济；\n最有可能的是被告及其律师团队。\n需要注意的一点\n如果你同时还在主张：\nCVRA受害人身份；\nrestitution；\nremission；\n§853(n)财产权；\n那么向辩方提供证据并不会自动放弃这些立场。\n例如，一个投资人完全可能同时认为：\n“我损失了钱，因此我可能是受害人。”\n并且认为：\n“政府或法院在某个事实上搞错了，我有证据对被告有利。”\n这两件事在法律上并不一定矛盾。\n因此，答案是：\n可以。投资人可以主动联系辩方律师并提供证据。律师可以决定是否调查、使用或提交该证据。对于已经进入上诉阶段的案件，这往往是让有利于被告的新证据进入律师视野的最直接途径。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc9a8368527ce4a5ac299","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q6bdf90a27a1b1bf9988e","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":978,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-07-15T23:18:46.966Z","text":"它们编吃鲍鱼海参。我们也可以编人就在外面，由于受到美国特别秘密保护，人一直在单独的地方被保护式关押，随时可以跟美国各大机构和家族开会，可以随时可以到国会作证，完全不影响灭共。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6bdf90a27a1b1bf9988e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q14f32bf68dac0a715c5d","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":979,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-15T23:19:03.163Z","text":"👆 如果你不相信辩方律师，你完全可以自己用CVRA或者853n发动议去南区，然后申请二巡强制令","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q14f32bf68dac0a715c5d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q7a016ba7ddfdc00c8152","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":980,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-07-15T23:36:42.534Z","text":"真是坏呀你，量刑后第三方投资人还有资格发初始动议吗？只有量刑前的第三方发了动议的可以继续发。你用民事案的允许给律师提交证据许可用在刑事案上，你想干什么呀","edited":false,"reply_to":"q14f32bf68dac0a715c5d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7a016ba7ddfdc00c8152","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q14f32bf68dac0a715c5d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qf3b3499d9033398e69e6","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":981,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-15T23:38:58.383Z","text":"这样说 所有辩方证人 全都是瞎搞","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7a016ba7ddfdc00c8152","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf3b3499d9033398e69e6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7a016ba7ddfdc00c8152","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qc430a0ad57951d01c700","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":982,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-15T23:39:18.540Z","text":"检方先把所有人变成受害人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc430a0ad57951d01c700","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q543f57e2372aa0a13139","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":983,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-15T23:39:24.596Z","text":"然后投资人联系辩方","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q543f57e2372aa0a13139","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q2adc11ec2f125f5313cf","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":984,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-15T23:39:35.321Z","text":"量刑后，还能不能发CVRA动议？\n\n可以\n一般来说，量刑后并不自动丧失提交 CVRA 动议的能力。\nCVRA（18 U.S.C. § 3771）并没有规定：\n\"量刑结束后任何 CVRA 动议都不得提出。\"\n因此如果一个人：\n以前没有参与；\n后来发现自己可能是受害人；\n后来发现重要证据；\n后来发现自己的损失与案件有关；\n理论上仍然可以向地区法院提出：\nvictim-status determination；\nmotion to assert rights under CVRA；\nmotion to be heard regarding unresolved CVRA issues；\nsupplement to prior CVRA submissions（如果之前已参与）。\n新证据可以提交吗？\n可以。\n最大的问题不是能不能发\n而是：\n法院现在还能给什么救济？\n量刑前：\nCVRA权利包括：\n合理通知；\n合理协商；\n在量刑时被听取意见。\n量刑后：\n法院会问：\n即使我认定你是受害人，我现在还能做什么？\n这是最核心的问题。\n哪种新证据最有价值？\n第一类：身份证据\n例如：\n我购买了G-Club；\n我购买了某产品；\n我投资了某项目；\n这些证据用于证明：\n我可能属于CVRA受害人。\n第二类：程序证据\n例如：\n我曾向法院提交材料；\n法院未收到；\n法院未审阅；\n政府未通知；\n这些证据用于证明：\n我的CVRA程序权利可能未得到保障。\n第三类：影响量刑的重大事实\n例如：\n损失计算重大错误；\n受害人分类框架存在重大问题；\n法院依赖的关键事实不准确。\n这种证据最有可能引发法院对后续救济的关注，但门槛也最高。\n\nCVRA动议的目的是什么？\n\nCVRA（Crime Victims' Rights Act）是给受害人主张自身权利的。\n\n因此法院首先会问：\n\n> 你作为CVRA申请人，为什么要提交对被告有利的证据？\n\n\n\n这不是禁止，但会影响法院如何看待该动议。\n\n\n---\n\n情况一：新证据同时支持你的CVRA主张\n\n例如：\n\n你发现新的购买记录、资金流向或交易文件，证明：\n\n你实际上是购买人/投资人；\n\n你与政府的受害人分类不一致；\n\n损失计算有问题；\n\n某些受害人统计存在错误。\n\n\n这些证据可能既有利于你自己的CVRA主张，又可能客观上有利于被告。\n\n这种情况完全可能发生。\n\n例如：\n\n> \"这份文件证明我实际支付了20万美元，而不是政府统计的50万美元。\"\n\n\n\n这既关系到你的身份，也可能影响案件事实。\n\n法院通常更容易接受这种提交，因为它与你自己的权益有关。\n\n\n---\n\n情况二：证据纯粹是为了帮助被告\n\n例如：\n\n你提交的材料只是想证明：\n\n被告无罪；\n\n某证人说谎；\n\n政府证据错误；\n\n\n而与你自己的CVRA权利没有明显关系。\n\n这时会出现 standing（资格）问题。\n\n法院可能会问：\n\n> 为什么CVRA申请人要通过CVRA动议来替被告提出辩护证据？\n\n\n\n因为通常：\n\n被告及其律师负责提出有利于被告的证据；\n\nCVRA程序主要用于保护受害人权利。\n\n\n\n---\n\n量刑后会有什么不同？\n\n量刑后，如果你提交：\n\n> \"我是潜在CVRA受害人，我发现了新的重大事实。\"\n\n\n\n法院更可能关注：\n\n1. 该事实是否影响你的受害人身份；\n\n\n2. 是否影响你的程序权利；\n\n\n3. 是否影响赔偿、没收或相关后续程序。\n\n\n\n如果你提交：\n\n> \"这个证据证明被告应该得到更轻的刑罚。\"\n\n\n\n法院很可能会认为：\n\n这是被告及其律师应当决定如何使用的问题。\n\n\n---\n\n实际操作上\n\n如果一个投资人掌握了真正对郭有利的新证据，最稳妥的做法通常是：\n\n第一条线\n\n联系辩护律师。\n\n让律师评估是否用于：\n\n上诉；\n\n发回重审；\n\n重新量刑；\n\n其他后判决程序。\n\n\n第二条线\n\n如果该证据同时涉及你自己的利益：\n\n例如：\n\n你的购买记录；\n\n你的投资记录；\n\n你的损失情况；\n\n你的身份认定；\n\n\n那么你仍然可以在CVRA动议中提交这些材料，并说明：\n\n> 这些材料既关系到我的CVRA主张，也可能与案件事实有关。\n\n\n\n\n---\n\n从法院角度看\n\n法院通常更容易接受：\n\n> \"我提交这份证据是为了证明我的受害人身份或我的权利。\"\n\n\n\n而不是：\n\n> \"我提交这份证据是为了替被告辩护。\"\n\n\n\n所以答案是：\n\n量刑后仍然可以提交CVRA动议并附上新证据。\n\n但如果证据主要是对辩方有利而不是支持你自己的CVRA权利，通常最有效的渠道仍然是把证据提供给辩护律师，由辩方决定是否在上诉或其他程序中使用。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2adc11ec2f125f5313cf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q9573aae2ffdeca607775","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":985,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-15T23:39:35.651Z","text":"这个动作本身 就有重大争议","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9573aae2ffdeca607775","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qed83085a679f5dfdb8bb","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":986,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-15T23:40:15.665Z","text":"谁说的？没收程序现在还没有完呢，853n现在为什么不能发动议？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7a016ba7ddfdc00c8152","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qed83085a679f5dfdb8bb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7a016ba7ddfdc00c8152","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qd6d463668c58887e4518","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":987,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-15T23:40:38.545Z","text":"853n的60天窗口现在又要重新启动了，你不知道吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd6d463668c58887e4518","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q910ef0cc59c2641a40de","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":988,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-15T23:41:02.543Z","text":"CVRA量刑后也可以发动议啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q910ef0cc59c2641a40de","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qd15bb614d058810fd65a","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":989,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-15T23:41:27.928Z","text":"你为什么要阻止别人量刑后发动议啊？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd15bb614d058810fd65a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qe50c18e0b929f31ef5e2","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":990,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-07-15T23:55:19.029Z","text":"他们好像想绕过自诉人在二巡的证据，让老郭连上诉程序都违法，从而翻案无望","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9573aae2ffdeca607775","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe50c18e0b929f31ef5e2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9573aae2ffdeca607775","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qb0627af12dd71d9b8f67","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":991,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-15T23:56:20.523Z","text":"你的意思是只有你们这些自诉人自诉是合法的？以后的自诉人自诉都是不合法的？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe50c18e0b929f31ef5e2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb0627af12dd71d9b8f67","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe50c18e0b929f31ef5e2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q3c78d459e4ec9bad9e19","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":992,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-15T23:56:58.461Z","text":"为什么你们自诉就是对的，别人自诉就是错的？你们是想垄断自诉的权利吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3c78d459e4ec9bad9e19","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q5f28ed2626d334a5ee98","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":993,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-16T00:05:30.888Z","text":"老郭的证人确实违法 但检方的更违法","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe50c18e0b929f31ef5e2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f28ed2626d334a5ee98","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe50c18e0b929f31ef5e2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q34b0ecb9174340c1b44e","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":994,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-16T00:05:34.065Z","text":"半斤八两","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q34b0ecb9174340c1b44e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qd68815bc2d5b9b459a71","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":995,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-16T00:46:54.541Z","text":"老川星期四宣布共产党参与了2020年美国大选 - 战争行为","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd68815bc2d5b9b459a71","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q3f4ab3cce0f599609885","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":996,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-16T00:47:18.961Z","text":"联盟农场 都是战争行为！！","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd68815bc2d5b9b459a71","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3f4ab3cce0f599609885","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd68815bc2d5b9b459a71","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q322ae4403a3ae65a6146","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":997,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-16T01:02:58.012Z","text":"https://x.com/ruienxiaoge777/status/2077559498210968053?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q322ae4403a3ae65a6146","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"qaa4ea3a763f792a0f281","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":998,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-07-16T01:03:17.327Z","text":"為何說老郭的證人違法？阿刁是老郭的證人？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5f28ed2626d334a5ee98","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaa4ea3a763f792a0f281","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f28ed2626d334a5ee98","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000135"},{"id":"q70a8d963a2e750624feb","batch_id":"batch-000135","seq":999,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-16T01:03:42.664Z","text":"不是违法 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