{"id":"batch-000137","number":137,"revision":2,"date_start":"2026-07-19T04:08:28.261Z","date_end":"2026-07-21T13:26:57.258Z","total_messages":1000,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 137 (Jul 19, 2026 – Jul 21, 2026), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Across this batch, discussion in the Guo Wen Gui case moved from blame narratives involving Qingteng, Ryan, and allied accounts toward technical disputes over the alleged phone exchange and self-prosecution letter. Members argued over authenticity, procedural legality, and what the second circuit might change, especially sentencing, forfeiture, and record treatment. They also clashed over whether Wang and GTV developments affected scope, with many claims framed as procedural manipulation rather than proven outcomes. Community statements, not court findings.","guide_en":[{"title":"How the 'plucking peaches' opening spread: responsibility shifted to Qingteng, Ryan, and his associates","description":"Participants argued that the thread opened with a 'plucking peaches' storyline used to assign blame, but the scope of responsibility became contested as some narrowed it to Ryan alone. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qca84668c2a84c50514a1","q9ff6d361bf64e5018cee","q6afbf7a85933e3f5a3a2"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qca84668c2a84c50514a1","summary_en":"kir*** described the opening as a staged 'plucking peaches' narrative rather than a sober legal discussion. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q9ff6d361bf64e5018cee","summary_en":"kir*** claimed Qingteng allegedly said the peaches were passed to Ryan. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q6afbf7a85933e3f5a3a2","summary_en":"him*** argued that Ryan and his crew’s actions should be treated as representing only Ryan. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Dispute over self-complaint letter and alleged Guo phone: who wrote it and whether it complies","description":"Participants disputed whether the self-complaint letter and related 'Guo phone' references were forged, who authored them, and whether they satisfied legal procedural requirements. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qaf0656068a37de104af8","q0c0c188789be5b979783","qfef3e5d7848a624199e5"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qaf0656068a37de104af8","summary_en":"may*** questioned the letter’s credibility, arguing that Guo’s behavior in the alleged exchange did not logically fit the claimed narrative. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q0c0c188789be5b979783","summary_en":"him*** challenged the legal validity of the communication, suggesting it was not a lawful document. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qfef3e5d7848a624199e5","summary_en":"ntp*** pointed to what was written in the letter itself as the basis for identity claims. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"External materials as evidence: livestream clips, X posts, and sealed content","description":"Participants argued over whether livestream audio claims, social posts, and sealed materials could be treated as courtroom evidence, with disagreement over source attribution and evidentiary trustworthiness. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q376099a995088954810e","q45787bd7df94d6b50e80","q023c949fe1561ad80828"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q376099a995088954810e","summary_en":"kir*** circulated an X post as part of the evidentiary debate. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q45787bd7df94d6b50e80","summary_en":"kir*** attributed the linked claim directly to Ryan. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q023c949fe1561ad80828","summary_en":"may*** introduced a competing account that Guo had called, using it as a real-time counterpoint to document-based claims. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Scapegoating and control narratives: whether people were being set up and the prosecution targeted others","description":"Participants contended that some members framed the case as scapegoating, while others disputed where fault ended, including whether a broader set of actors would fall together if key forfeiture and sentencing outcomes were reversed. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q03d4bb3ef3bd3aaa2d70","q67f7f5be84a531573f4d","qd841b993f25c077d2f3e"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q03d4bb3ef3bd3aaa2d70","summary_en":"joh*** argued that multiple people were actively attempting to bring down the target. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q67f7f5be84a531573f4d","summary_en":"kir*** labeled the dynamic as a specific factional-style pattern tied to known cliques. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qd841b993f25c077d2f3e","summary_en":"joh*** argued that if forfeiture and sentence were vacated, the fallout would extend beyond Wang to others like Changdao and Pijiang. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Group identity and narrative control: membership, sockpuppets, and coordinated flooding","description":"Participants disputed the legitimacy of participation, arguing that identity claims and repetitive posts indicated manipulation and that some users lacked standing to police group framing. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q50364719ee9728581052","q921f6caf826289862b4b","q9ad11e96c7c05c891f32"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q50364719ee9728581052","summary_en":"him*** questioned whether the thread was truly a Guo Wen Gui case discussion group. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q921f6caf826289862b4b","summary_en":"may*** disputed that by not being the host, someone else had no basis to challenge the group’s moderation dynamics. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q9ad11e96c7c05c891f32","summary_en":"sar*** complained that many identity messages and repetitive chatter were flooding the room in a staged, astroturfed way. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Ryan’s reliability and legal competence in dispute after repeated credibility challenges","description":"Participants contested Ryan’s credibility and understanding of legal procedure, repeatedly framing his statements as unstable and questioning whether he was legally competent. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qccf1617afbda24b44856","q1582d376fbbbba466b74","q27eb73f10b6b59d42f82"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qccf1617afbda24b44856","summary_en":"him*** claimed Ryan often says nonsense and said his statements needed verification. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q1582d376fbbbba466b74","summary_en":"him*** asked whether Ryan was legally illiterate. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q27eb73f10b6b59d42f82","summary_en":"him*** escalated that Ryan’s alleged legal illiteracy was central to evaluating his claims. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Second-circuit aftermath: remand, emergency motion effects, and appeal timing","description":"Participants disputed the likely procedural path after the second circuit, arguing over immediate remand prospects, whether pending forfeiture motions still matter, and whether denied extraordinary relief bars future direct-appeal arguments. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qe4dd763006f4bacd3b45","q66af18dd5d31238223e2","q0f3588851a571aa0ba5a"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qe4dd763006f4bacd3b45","summary_en":"nin*** predicted the second-circuit hearing would result in remand for retrial. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q66af18dd5d31238223e2","summary_en":"ntp*** questioned the practical effect of a supplemental forfeiture motion after the case was already in the second circuit. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q0f3588851a571aa0ba5a","summary_en":"beg*** explained that a denied extraordinary remedy does not prevent substantial arguments from being raised through direct appeal. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Sentencing and forfeiture disputes: GTV, ten-year punishment, and seizure logic","description":"Participants disputed how sentencing and forfeiture interact, with contested claims about GTV outcomes, severe sentence logic, and whether seizure demands in related posts were valid grounds for reopening. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q31802b5b18be06432cb0","q8f9d2c947724ab795e66","qfe8c3598deb960d89f43"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q31802b5b18be06432cb0","summary_en":"hel*** questioned the consistency of a GTV not-guilty posture against a ten-year sentence and alleged conspiracy findings. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q8f9d2c947724ab795e66","summary_en":"kir*** cited a social post as arguing that reliance on the self-complaint was not a basis to reopen the matter. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qfe8c3598deb960d89f43","summary_en":"joh*** stated that Tony’s handling of Wang forfeiture remained a recurring emotional and strategic flashpoint. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Wang case linkage, plea boundaries, and control over the substantive scope","description":"Participants argued that Wang’s plea and forfeiture questions might redefine the scope of related proceedings, including G-series assets, while other participants treated the linkage as an open but unresolved inference. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qf2fe7d56397c164d217e","q86207b9901e595617047","qb723c4ede679850cbe72"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qf2fe7d56397c164d217e","summary_en":"joh*** said Wang’s GTV plea made the entire G group appear included in the matter. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q86207b9901e595617047","summary_en":"joh*** asked whether the Wang forfeiture order should also be revised. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qb723c4ede679850cbe72","summary_en":"joh*** described a sequence in which Wang’s plea and sentencing were tied to G-series forfeiture, followed by Guo conviction and then bankruptcy-related entries. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Money and loyalty motives remain central: donations versus declarations of support","description":"Participants contended that funding behavior was becoming a proxy for loyalty, with members challenging whether rhetoric of support matched financial action and what personal motives should explain alignment. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q984558637f35fe7f6885","q691d873d41524d380bf2","q3d207235618b6a77030a"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q984558637f35fe7f6885","summary_en":"may*** challenged the group by asking whether anyone had actually donated if the case was truly about money needs. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q691d873d41524d380bf2","summary_en":"him*** countered that 'Luo Si Ge' would admit he preferred women over a specific ally, reframing motive claims. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q3d207235618b6a77030a","summary_en":"may*** argued that genuine support should show action rather than just verbal expression. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Future path remains contested: resentencing, mandates, and pauses coexist","description":"Participants disputed final trajectory, with some pressing for resentencing mandates and others emphasizing that denied motions can still preserve issues, while noting disputed claims over what was in the record. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q6645dabb918af6af6c3c","q13a4d6b8a2ac1b0373a6","qf0743ca03f50856df830"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q6645dabb918af6af6c3c","summary_en":"reb*** argued that even no defense action would still result in resentencing being sent back. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q13a4d6b8a2ac1b0373a6","summary_en":"kir*** reported that renewal motions by Suo and Tony were denied after consideration, with the materials treated as part of the court record. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf0743ca03f50856df830","summary_en":"joh*** summarized that Guo had nine current convictions tied to the Guo group, while comparing Wang’s transfer allegation to laundering concerns. Community statements, not court findings."}]}],"summary":"讨论围绕郭文贵案相关群聊从“摘桃/灭共/联盟”叙事发酵，先由开场对相关人物归责扩散到证据与程序层面的系统争辩。分歧首先集中在“郭电话”、自诉人来信、假郭/假电话等关键材料是否伪造、谁署名及是否符合法庭程序。其次，围绕二巡走向出现对强制令、密封材料、第三方介入、否决效力、上诉与重审时点的截然不同预测。其后又延展到量刑与没收链条：无罪与量刑关系、受害者追偿、王案与郭案是否联动、认罪边界都被反复争执。成员对瑞恩可信度、联盟与自诉代表性、群内身份和舆论操控、资金动机亦高度对立，许多观点仅在‘程序是否被操控’框架下互斥，具体事实与结论并未成共识。","guide":[{"title":"“摘桃”开场如何扩散：责任链从青藤、瑞恩及其团伙被拉到讨论中心","message_ids":["qca84668c2a84c50514a1","q9ff6d361bf64e5018cee","q6afbf7a85933e3f5a3a2"]},{"title":"“自诉信”与“郭电话”真伪争议：署名、文本来源及合规性是否成立","message_ids":["qaf0656068a37de104af8","q0c0c188789be5b979783","qfef3e5d7848a624199e5"]},{"title":"外部材料争当证据：直播假电话、X帖与密封内容到底能否入庭","message_ids":["q376099a995088954810e","q45787bd7df94d6b50e80","q023c949fe1561ad80828"]},{"title":"上位替罪与操控叙事：是否有人背锅、是否检方有意“卖人”","message_ids":["q03d4bb3ef3bd3aaa2d70","q67f7f5be84a531573f4d","qd841b993f25c077d2f3e"]},{"title":"群内身份与舆论操控：成员资格、马甲、小号和刷屏是否扭曲讨论","message_ids":["q50364719ee9728581052","q921f6caf826289862b4b","q9ad11e96c7c05c891f32"]},{"title":"瑞恩发言可信性对峙：被贴“法盲”与“演戏”标签后仍缺定论","message_ids":["qccf1617afbda24b44856","q1582d376fbbbba466b74","q27eb73f10b6b59d42f82"]},{"title":"二巡后续路径拉锯：强制令、否决效果、第三方主导举证与上诉时机","message_ids":["qe4dd763006f4bacd3b45","q66af18dd5d31238223e2","q0f3588851a571aa0ba5a"]},{"title":"量刑与没收争点：GTV判处、没收时序、关键证言与财产争执","message_ids":["q31802b5b18be06432cb0","q8f9d2c947724ab795e66","qfe8c3598deb960d89f43"]},{"title":"王案与郭案联动、认罪边界与替代控制：是否改变证明范围","message_ids":["qf2fe7d56397c164d217e","q86207b9901e595617047","qb723c4ede679850cbe72"]},{"title":"资金与忠诚动机持续对立：捐款、支持来源与价值立场争夺","message_ids":["q984558637f35fe7f6885","q691d873d41524d380bf2","q3d207235618b6a77030a"]},{"title":"对未来路径分歧明显：重审/上诉/停顿并存，程序不公与司法结果皆被并行预判","message_ids":["q6645dabb918af6af6c3c","q13a4d6b8a2ac1b0373a6","qf0743ca03f50856df830"]}],"closed":true,"is_finalized":true,"updated_at":"2026-09-06T19:01:48.158Z","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_batch","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137/pages/2","base_batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-batches/batch-000137?page=2","page":2,"page_size":200,"total_pages":5,"has_more":true,"next_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-batches/batch-000137?page=3","prev_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-batches/batch-000137","messages":[{"id":"qce6775db841b36746ac8","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":201,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-07-19T14:24:33.980Z","text":"其实没必要摘桃","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qce6775db841b36746ac8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q129fc09d8dac3944e6b6","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":202,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-07-19T14:24:44.011Z","text":"喜币以后超越比特币 还不够花？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q129fc09d8dac3944e6b6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q1201e92c08739059afa7","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":203,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-19T14:28:09.745Z","text":"就算以后灭共了，喜国人也不可能摘桃","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1201e92c08739059afa7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q152e932832bcd5c113ae","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":204,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-07-19T14:28:21.145Z","text":"共匪哪这么容易灭","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q152e932832bcd5c113ae","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qb7e90b6db0c1d1efb87d","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":205,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-07-19T14:28:36.126Z","text":"你告诉我 拿什么灭","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb7e90b6db0c1d1efb87d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q30adaedba62d604240fe","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":206,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-19T14:28:44.792Z","text":"灭不灭不知道，就算灭了，也不是喜国人摘桃","edited":false,"reply_to":"q152e932832bcd5c113ae","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q30adaedba62d604240fe","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q152e932832bcd5c113ae","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q186d1adacf022dfe2c24","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":207,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-07-19T14:28:44.990Z","text":"灭个伊朗都灭不掉","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q186d1adacf022dfe2c24","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qa62f3d4afe2c21798759","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":208,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-07-19T14:28:57.223Z","text":"灭共是生意","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa62f3d4afe2c21798759","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qcac733a9ac203165fd54","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":209,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-07-19T14:29:12.491Z","text":"只不过郭玩的比较大","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcac733a9ac203165fd54","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q5a294e71662528e801ee","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":210,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-07-19T14:29:28.636Z","text":"其他民运没有料 也没用游艇冲门面","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5a294e71662528e801ee","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qd381e0105892ec09df9f","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":211,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-19T14:29:32.765Z","text":"我不同意你","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa62f3d4afe2c21798759","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd381e0105892ec09df9f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa62f3d4afe2c21798759","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q5430f7f40c8ce682dfa1","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":212,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-19T14:29:43.161Z","text":"但是，我也很讨厌喜国人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5430f7f40c8ce682dfa1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q0f3ef14037f422b196cb","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":213,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-07-19T14:30:08.658Z","text":"人都是为了生活 跟谁有饭吃就跟","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0f3ef14037f422b196cb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qbb1513787cd4075fb63a","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":214,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-07-19T14:30:20.973Z","text":"你管他哪国人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbb1513787cd4075fb63a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qdaa031d7425f610bf717","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":215,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-19T14:30:34.744Z","text":"那你就看着吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0f3ef14037f422b196cb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdaa031d7425f610bf717","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0f3ef14037f422b196cb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q6b6570b2d206ddec30a7","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":216,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-07-19T14:36:14.710Z","text":"你最好多搞一个号 不然站错队 容易栽进去","edited":false,"reply_to":"q424b23cb1afe13d50017","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6b6570b2d206ddec30a7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q5146b184958e1f8e8836","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":217,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-07-19T14:36:42.657Z","text":"双重身份 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\nhttps://x.com/anxiaodong777/status/2078829945615208638?s=46","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc35307be2e73ce5e1983","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q8a093a3b5953e285f144","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":227,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-19T14:46:14.389Z","text":"郭说超过5%，那是恭维喜国人了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qea6353b382afcc7ed956","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8a093a3b5953e285f144","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea6353b382afcc7ed956","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q05cb9063fee61fe52347","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":228,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-19T14:46:29.985Z","text":"现在看来50个人，差不多","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q05cb9063fee61fe52347","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qe670e7bb05fabbe5c083","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":229,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-19T14:46:39.244Z","text":"50个人都多了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe670e7bb05fabbe5c083","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q188e53a6165f26a5df0d","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":230,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-19T14:55:32.985Z","text":"https://x.com/Tiandao7777/status/2043359825724121284?s=20","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q188e53a6165f26a5df0d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q9ad11e96c7c05c891f32","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":231,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-07-19T15:05:24.403Z","text":"打开手机，满屏都是[删节：成员身份] 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估计得跑一两个星期","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbc8445fb9b33de81e45b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q45c5d6af19c9f8d93fb8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbc8445fb9b33de81e45b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q4e7e8a4c39c7ac5388d6","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":240,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-19T16:29:02.464Z","text":"没事，磨刀不误砍柴功，咱们已经比他们高效多了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q45c5d6af19c9f8d93fb8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4e7e8a4c39c7ac5388d6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q45c5d6af19c9f8d93fb8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q952b0a086a165b8ca30a","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":241,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-07-19T16:46:37.380Z","text":"自诉帮要被打成味蕾了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q952b0a086a165b8ca30a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qcd32a9b122077b7bdce9","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":242,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-07-19T16:59:06.885Z","text":"自诉帮要被打成味蕾了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcd32a9b122077b7bdce9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qa254b54451463cbe1549","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":243,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-19T17:01:51.935Z","text":"估计现在二巡是在犹豫： 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那么钱的去向就要噜噜","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1891fc19b29844aa8155","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q06314bc364661b38fa0c","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":245,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-07-19T17:37:05.834Z","text":"https://x.com/xiatouj20547/status/2078810391191195809?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q06314bc364661b38fa0c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q50a85a06c24d34e91838","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":246,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-19T17:52:39.270Z","text":"老江这么会说，他咋不去做🤪","edited":false,"reply_to":"q06314bc364661b38fa0c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q50a85a06c24d34e91838","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q06314bc364661b38fa0c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q7301d624218fb1d36cba","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":247,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-19T17:53:38.539Z","text":"联盟这群人，没一个人站出来说出真相的，他们可是内部人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7301d624218fb1d36cba","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qe4dd763006f4bacd3b45","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":248,"speaker":"nin***","date":"2026-07-19T18:03:05.819Z","text":"二巡开庭就会发回重审！","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1891fc19b29844aa8155","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe4dd763006f4bacd3b45","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1891fc19b29844aa8155","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qe70870305f0238788a7a","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":249,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-19T18:24:00.929Z","text":"二巡已经不敢开庭了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe4dd763006f4bacd3b45","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe70870305f0238788a7a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe4dd763006f4bacd3b45","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q64f293407f407a9a36d7","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":250,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-19T18:24:14.410Z","text":"没见过这么猛的火力","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64f293407f407a9a36d7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q3a051f654dc5fe25c6d5","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":251,"speaker":"nin***","date":"2026-07-19T18:30:03.576Z","text":"怎么可能呢，必走的程序","edited":false,"reply_to":"q64f293407f407a9a36d7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3a051f654dc5fe25c6d5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64f293407f407a9a36d7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qba8b00dd0e1185c5597e","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":252,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-19T18:32:30.326Z","text":"二巡唯一的办法是等辩护看律师上任","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3a051f654dc5fe25c6d5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qba8b00dd0e1185c5597e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3a051f654dc5fe25c6d5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qc150c68b2c053a099f84","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":253,"speaker":"Sap***","date":"2026-07-19T18:32:41.683Z","text":"很遗憾，用户 [删节：成员身份]离开了 **郭文贵法庭文件，不禁言不删帖**。希望他一路好走。","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc150c68b2c053a099f84","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qdb45cb079af171f6a533","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":254,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-19T18:42:57.883Z","text":"这是什么喜币分配表","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdb45cb079af171f6a533","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q303ea0e2a3878eafb37e","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":255,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-19T19:06:41.522Z","text":"https://x.com/ruienxiaoge3/status/2078919340762759458?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q303ea0e2a3878eafb37e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qe2e4915100fe7436ec85","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":256,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-19T19:11:18.103Z","text":"只要求了ACA 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是的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9525609c055df1c44909","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe507aed605189e18f10d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9525609c055df1c44909","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qfce76c5a75dd808a9dc9","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":264,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-19T19:22:00.704Z","text":"如果检方聪明的话 没收根本不应该","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfce76c5a75dd808a9dc9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q6cf8dc1315ea11e42903","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":265,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-19T19:22:16.046Z","text":"当然 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[删节：成员身份]","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q48d438d88ffa8b21b1dc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q150d7c211dbe8071c9be","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":277,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-19T21:04:30.679Z","text":"Allen 是不是？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q150d7c211dbe8071c9be","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q3d260823781e493eaf69","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":278,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-19T21:41:42.381Z","text":"检方好流氓，说提交GNEWS 上的文章是为了证明被告虚假陈述，不是为了证实真实性，所以不属于传闻","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3d260823781e493eaf69","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qd27c4b8cc9dabbb903c0","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":279,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-19T22:03:20.128Z","text":"在 *United States v. Kohan* 一案中，第二巡回上诉法院推翻了被告人的定罪，原因是一审法院排除了辩方证人关于其与被告人之间对话的证言。806 F.2d 18, 22 (2d Cir. 1986)。法院解释称，该拟议证言不属于传闻证据，因为其提出并非为了证明对话内容的真实性，而是为了证明该陈述对被告人产生的影响。参见同上，第21-22页。本案情况亦是如此。如果辩护律师试图通过交叉询问从控方证人处获取的证言，最终并非为了证明其内容真实性而提出，那么传闻证据规则并不禁止采纳该证言。例如，如果辩护律师试图获取关于郭先生的证言…","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd27c4b8cc9dabbb903c0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qaf482bd1684e17f8065a","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":280,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-19T22:08:18.408Z","text":"在 *United States v. DiMaria* 一案中，第二巡回上诉法院推翻了一项定罪判决，因为初审法院曾阻止辩护律师从一名联邦调查局（FBI）探员处获取证言；该证言显示，当探员们接近被告时，被告曾说道：“我以为你们只是在调查白领犯罪；你们来这儿干什么？我来这儿只是为了买点便宜的香烟。” 727 F.2d 265, 270 (2d Cir. 1984)。初审法院以传闻证据为由排除了拟议的证词。*Id.* 然而，第二巡回上诉法院裁定此举有误，因为该陈述“并非旨在证明这些香烟并非赃物，而仅是为了表明 DiMaria 并不认为它们是赃物”","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaf482bd1684e17f8065a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q16b6937242991deca764","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":281,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-19T22:08:48.642Z","text":"［用户 kir***］ 这么 小的事都可以推翻定罪","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q16b6937242991deca764","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q75d31feeec4bea7e5da1","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":282,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-19T22:29:25.938Z","text":"不是。你要代入那个案子中 这个证言是不是对案情最关键的？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qaf482bd1684e17f8065a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q75d31feeec4bea7e5da1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaf482bd1684e17f8065a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q6d187dc716083585755c","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":283,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-19T22:29:31.068Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息]","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6d187dc716083585755c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qe6c16af357e2ba7b8d82","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":284,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-19T22:29:45.936Z","text":"无关痛痒的证言被排除 是不可能翻案的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe6c16af357e2ba7b8d82","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q3a56f9d027b2bf08e2ea","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":285,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-19T22:31:01.942Z","text":"那这个谁做判断呢，我认为是关键的检方认为不关键","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3a56f9d027b2bf08e2ea","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q8c3dd3b6f733d5623af1","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":286,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-19T22:31:18.755Z","text":"当然二巡啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3a56f9d027b2bf08e2ea","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8c3dd3b6f733d5623af1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3a56f9d027b2bf08e2ea","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q14a298f36dcc286acaf4","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":287,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-19T22:31:22.736Z","text":"提出来后法官作判断？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q14a298f36dcc286acaf4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qf396ace5d1c5515123d4","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":288,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-19T22:50:22.287Z","text":"https://x.com/GTV66879222/status/2078622964246008050?s=20","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf396ace5d1c5515123d4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q5f958a62c0506ace855c","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":289,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-19T23:14:15.695Z","text":"https://x.com/ruienxiaoge3/status/2078981708188364883?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f958a62c0506ace855c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qc8fbee5a2e2fbe554cdd","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":290,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-19T23:23:34.023Z","text":"https://gettr.com/post/p41zwj1e157","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc8fbee5a2e2fbe554cdd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q794adf10267db18af878","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":291,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-19T23:23:43.256Z","text":"果然 要骗钱了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc8fbee5a2e2fbe554cdd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q794adf10267db18af878","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc8fbee5a2e2fbe554cdd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qd7644368ee5966d4b862","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":292,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-19T23:24:17.597Z","text":"用假郭美出来造势 醉翁之意不在酒 在于第二次换个马甲骗钱！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd7644368ee5966d4b862","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q55b3e9a979945649be60","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":293,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-19T23:38:22.906Z","text":"通常，一人在当前审判中未作证时所作的陈述，该陈述若被用来证明其内容的真实性，则为传闻证据。                           这是什么混账的证据规则？检方 可以提交gettr的视频证明郭说的虚假，郭却不能提交自己的证明自己说的真实。证明虚假不是传闻证据 ，证明真实就是传闻证据。第三人的庭外陈述也可以做为传闻证据的例外，而郭自己说自己庭外说了什么却不能成例外。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q55b3e9a979945649be60","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qa7cd0bff6fb0188826e5","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":294,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-19T23:41:20.639Z","text":"郭美要是自己需要帮助，就自己露脸出来请求，你连个面都不露就要求别人给你打钱，也太没诚意了吧？也太不尊重人了吧？老郭能这样教育子女？躲在联盟后面要钱？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q794adf10267db18af878","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa7cd0bff6fb0188826e5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q794adf10267db18af878","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qf4b5a29008cb262e55fa","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":295,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-19T23:42:31.728Z","text":"肯定不是郭美","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa7cd0bff6fb0188826e5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf4b5a29008cb262e55fa","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa7cd0bff6fb0188826e5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q6a8db6b3a7115a4972bd","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":296,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-19T23:44:00.245Z","text":"［用户 beg***］ 相信是郭美，我就说，她如果是真郭美，如果是有点教养的，就得自己出面","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6a8db6b3a7115a4972bd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qa4da248609b2e8f0209e","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":297,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-19T23:44:48.049Z","text":"我认为 肯定不是郭美。 如果真是郭美 那很有可能她和岳庆之的人生安全是被联盟绑架状态","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6a8db6b3a7115a4972bd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa4da248609b2e8f0209e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6a8db6b3a7115a4972bd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qc399277cdb59632b39bf","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":298,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-19T23:54:57.273Z","text":"所以当初老郭到底是哪根筋错乱了选择不亲自出庭作证？                                                                                                      法官为何这样判？（法理上的公平观）\n法律制度设计的初衷是：法庭是一个发现事实的场所，而交叉质询是检验事实的“唯一且最佳手段”。\n\n交叉质询权（Right to Confrontation）： 宪法赋予了被告面对指控者的权利。同理，控方也享有质疑证据来源的权利。如果您想让您的庭外陈述被法庭采纳为“真话”，最直接、最有力的途径是亲自出庭作证。\n\n庭审现场才是战场： 如果郭亲自站在证人席上，那么他当天所说的话就是“直接证据”，而非“传闻”。一旦他出庭，他的所有庭外陈述都可以通过他本人的口述在庭上得到验证。如果不走这条路，法律就会利用传闻规则将“不可验证的庭外录音/视频”拒之门外，以防止陪审团被未经质询的证据误导。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc399277cdb59632b39bf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q515c980efee5bad866d2","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":299,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-20T00:16:57.209Z","text":"要么他被闭嘴了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc399277cdb59632b39bf","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q515c980efee5bad866d2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc399277cdb59632b39bf","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qf957234b22ea639c13c2","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":300,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-20T00:17:07.694Z","text":"要么就是螺丝哥说的 ［用户 chu***］  他在等别人","edited":true,"reply_to":"qc399277cdb59632b39bf","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf957234b22ea639c13c2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc399277cdb59632b39bf","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q40ca92c3be3f10372178","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":301,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-20T00:22:46.757Z","text":"我猜想的最有可能的是他被忽悠了，他不懂得自己出庭作证的关键利害之处，被编个理由，就不定是真的为了保“战友的庇护”选择的，说不定真这么  傻#做了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q40ca92c3be3f10372178","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q607fede7e99ef4081f13","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":302,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-20T00:24:46.876Z","text":"他要是被忽悠了 那你们以后还不如来投资我","edited":false,"reply_to":"q40ca92c3be3f10372178","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q607fede7e99ef4081f13","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q40ca92c3be3f10372178","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q39ea9126e6147ad2e677","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":303,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-20T00:28:16.436Z","text":"检方拿这个庇护跟他做交易，也是让他闭嘴了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q39ea9126e6147ad2e677","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qb6a6b6932c58e3e35b34","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":304,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-20T00:28:24.488Z","text":"不可能","edited":false,"reply_to":"q39ea9126e6147ad2e677","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb6a6b6932c58e3e35b34","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q39ea9126e6147ad2e677","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qa701dff8ba0c6b990e6b","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":305,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-20T00:28:30.419Z","text":"庇护不是检方管的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q39ea9126e6147ad2e677","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa701dff8ba0c6b990e6b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q39ea9126e6147ad2e677","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q173f77f4c79fdc947f4e","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":306,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-20T00:29:29.085Z","text":"真是让人百思不得其解","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q173f77f4c79fdc947f4e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qfbd9e204e8a2e527268b","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":307,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-20T00:29:40.203Z","text":"我认为螺丝哥说的对","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfbd9e204e8a2e527268b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qb25bb0b4d46cc5b2cd2a","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":308,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-20T00:29:55.626Z","text":"［用户 spr***］ 他自己不好把他的nfsc拆掉 把他亲爱的战友弄死","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb25bb0b4d46cc5b2cd2a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q9e91b3c721b811f6f74f","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":309,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-20T00:30:02.976Z","text":"［用户 spr***］ 这个脏活需要我们自己干","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e91b3c721b811f6f74f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qb0df5a12d92bac84b347","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":310,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-20T00:30:16.418Z","text":"这个案子让人百思不得其解的太多了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb0df5a12d92bac84b347","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qcaf8f7777b111a482dde","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":311,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-20T00:33:14.672Z","text":"李亚魏丽红夏其东老班长等如果都指控是郭指挥的他们，为什么除了李亚，其余人都选择了不出庭指控","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcaf8f7777b111a482dde","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q19d2e1e2303a50afe777","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":312,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-20T00:33:44.087Z","text":"这是什么","edited":false,"reply_to":"q62d5d21b32c1fba26e21","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q19d2e1e2303a50afe777","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qa451aa2f49f7dfaece9c","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":313,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-07-20T00:35:23.775Z","text":"Luc那兒的虛假債權人登記","edited":false,"reply_to":"q19d2e1e2303a50afe777","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa451aa2f49f7dfaece9c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q19d2e1e2303a50afe777","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qb5ed58816b162e3e42e3","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":314,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-07-20T00:36:44.820Z","text":"https://document.epiq11.com/document/getdocumentbycode?docId=4568296&projectCode=HTT&source=DM","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb5ed58816b162e3e42e3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qb17070eefeac313f7b30","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":315,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-20T00:37:41.220Z","text":"我个人认为，他在等人","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf957234b22ea639c13c2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb17070eefeac313f7b30","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf957234b22ea639c13c2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qc8764a0eea7e02c39266","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":316,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-20T00:37:51.450Z","text":"俗称 摇人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc8764a0eea7e02c39266","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q44936c11febfb7b1a11b","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":317,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-20T00:39:28.006Z","text":"这个是打掩护 \n参考长岛诉魏丽红 民事诉讼\n最后两方和解，私下分钱","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf396ace5d1c5515123d4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q44936c11febfb7b1a11b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf396ace5d1c5515123d4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q848102d6b6c2f345c320","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":318,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-20T00:41:13.870Z","text":"这些人不出庭，就不必面对辩方律师的交叉质询露馅，包括王雁平","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcaf8f7777b111a482dde","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q848102d6b6c2f345c320","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcaf8f7777b111a482dde","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qeb56816075a498683828","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":319,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-20T00:42:46.901Z","text":"李亚不是基金会主席","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcaf8f7777b111a482dde","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeb56816075a498683828","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcaf8f7777b111a482dde","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q74e31422e5bf03c1a443","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":320,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-20T00:43:20.260Z","text":"长岛 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就是量刑前等我们","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa3d6354da072ed745971","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q63b856adecfdfaf54830","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":323,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-20T00:44:09.244Z","text":"二巡是不能提交新证据的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q63b856adecfdfaf54830","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q923d593b3aad9b8a8b59","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":324,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-20T00:44:19.364Z","text":"等几派互卖，卖出一个背全锅的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q359c88b6557f34c555cb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q923d593b3aad9b8a8b59","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q359c88b6557f34c555cb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q8078ed35fa48409c9031","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":325,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-20T00:46:18.954Z","text":"这些和检方做交易的污点证人只提供了证词，只是证词摆在陪审团面前而本人根本不出庭，辩方律师根本没机会对他们交叉质询\n\n这是一个非常关键的细节，也是你感到愤怒的核心所在。如果这些所谓的“污点证人”只提供了书面陈述，而本人却不出庭接受质询，这实际上触碰了美国宪法中最神圣的原则之一——《第六修正案》的“对抗条款”（Confrontation Clause）。\n\n如果确实发生这种情况，这不仅仅是“不公平”，在法律程序上这极有可能是违宪的。以下是法律体系如何应对这种“不见面证人”的情况：","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8078ed35fa48409c9031","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qb24e387ddb0ceb80cbf9","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":326,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-20T00:49:02.988Z","text":"他有个屁人等，3年了都没有人为他出来，","edited":false,"reply_to":"q359c88b6557f34c555cb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb24e387ddb0ceb80cbf9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q359c88b6557f34c555cb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q036424919d9b5f4b9b6f","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":327,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-20T00:49:15.213Z","text":"检方愿不愿意开CIPA，感觉是他们背后的人说了算，也是个信号\n同意了，说明背后的妥协，同意卖王卖300骨干，保背后主子的高层","edited":false,"reply_to":"q359c88b6557f34c555cb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q036424919d9b5f4b9b6f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q359c88b6557f34c555cb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q75d8f3364e2c3b61c113","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":328,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-20T00:49:47.439Z","text":"同意","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb24e387ddb0ceb80cbf9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q75d8f3364e2c3b61c113","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb24e387ddb0ceb80cbf9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q466d3f35654d0d97852a","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":329,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-20T00:49:50.828Z","text":"不过都不重要了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q466d3f35654d0d97852a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qf77a92a6cb6da8041a09","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":330,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-20T00:49:56.998Z","text":"郭翻案了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf77a92a6cb6da8041a09","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q0300e7f938ad147a5222","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":331,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-20T00:51:20.298Z","text":"明明自己出庭就能够搞定的事，非要等个不知道帮不帮他的人，郭这个智商不要说灭共，我都不知道他是咋赚了那么多钱的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q359c88b6557f34c555cb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0300e7f938ad147a5222","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q359c88b6557f34c555cb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qa35cb6de05c5e89861c5","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":332,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-20T00:54:20.297Z","text":"等个不知道什么概率的人而自己能做的事自己不做，世上这样傻#的人有，大概率不是郭吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa3d6354da072ed745971","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa35cb6de05c5e89861c5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa3d6354da072ed745971","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q6a0d1af480179a1dc4cf","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":333,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-20T01:05:44.182Z","text":"1. 宪法红线：对抗条款（Confrontation Clause）\n美国宪法第六修正案明确规定，在刑事诉讼中，被告享有“与指控他的证人对质”的权利。\n\n克劳福德案（Crawford v. Washington）的影响：美国最高法院在著名的Crawford一案中确立了一个里程碑式的先例：如果一个庭外陈述属于“证言性质”（Testimonial），那么除非该证人出庭接受交叉质询，否则该证言不得被采纳。\n\n这意味着什么：如果检方提交了证人的书面陈述，而这位证人并没有出庭，辩方律师有权立即提出违宪异议（Constitutional Objection）。法官如果允许这样的证词进入庭审，这通常会成为被告上诉时推翻判决的铁证。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6a0d1af480179a1dc4cf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q3c41c1213c9f3df063b7","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":334,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-20T01:06:32.294Z","text":"污点证人不出庭，陪审团通常不会看到或听到其向政府提供的完整证词；只有具体陈述符合证据规则，并且不违反被告的对质权时，某些内容才可能通过录音、文件、旧证词或其他证人的证言进入陪审团记录。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8078ed35fa48409c9031","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3c41c1213c9f3df063b7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8078ed35fa48409c9031","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q0d9c18d11928e7cdd89b","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":335,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-20T01:07:53.320Z","text":"郭的目的是灭共，不是出狱","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa35cb6de05c5e89861c5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0d9c18d11928e7cdd89b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa35cb6de05c5e89861c5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qd60b57a7b742d7ba00dc","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":336,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-07-20T01:29:19.026Z","text":"你的邏輯就是郭已經愛上了MDC，住得太舒服，有鮑魚吃、有女犯人崇拜，他已經不想出來了？？？🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0d9c18d11928e7cdd89b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd60b57a7b742d7ba00dc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0d9c18d11928e7cdd89b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q84682f9eebd997b1ff1c","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":337,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-20T01:29:49.432Z","text":"尽管存在传闻证据的禁止，被告在某些情况下可以援引“完整性规则”要求引入其\n庭外陈述的其他部分，当政府提供该陈述的摘录时。见《联邦证据规则》106。“根据\n这一原则，如果需要解释所承认部分、将所承认部分置于上下文中、避免误导陪审团或\n确保对所承认部分的公平和公正理解，则必须将遗漏的部分置于证据中……。然而，完\n整性原则并不要求采纳陈述中既不能解释也与所采纳段落无关的部分。” 美国 诉\nJackson 案，180 F.3d 55, 73（第二巡回法院 1999）（添加了强调）。“‘只有在采纳经\n编辑的陈述会歪曲其含义或排除实质上可证明陈述人无罪的信息时’，才违反了‘完整\n性规则’\"。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q84682f9eebd997b1ff1c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q9a7b8a35f66c3ea9a8ff","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":338,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-20T01:29:58.478Z","text":"灭共是吃鲍鱼，有女犯崇拜啊？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd60b57a7b742d7ba00dc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9a7b8a35f66c3ea9a8ff","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd60b57a7b742d7ba00dc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q87cd0be70d1787238975","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":339,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-20T01:30:12.686Z","text":"灭共是利用这个案子打倒共产党","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q87cd0be70d1787238975","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q83c370e5131a94febe8d","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":340,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-20T01:30:30.147Z","text":"不知道怎么利用这个案子打倒共产党，就去看螺丝哥的视频","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q83c370e5131a94febe8d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q15e9573b1d8820deebd6","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":341,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-20T01:31:35.973Z","text":"https://x.com/i/status/2068130665032503797","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q15e9573b1d8820deebd6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q1741b737ae7ff4d6029a","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":342,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-20T01:32:56.536Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息]  这个人昨天说瑞恩绑架了自诉人 现在自己就拿螺丝哥的视频来绑架自诉人  精神分裂 [删节：隐私信息]","edited":true,"reply_to":"q83c370e5131a94febe8d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1741b737ae7ff4d6029a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q83c370e5131a94febe8d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q9c1547cb84dacae95035","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":343,"speaker":"xio***","date":"2026-07-20T01:41:13.854Z","text":"夏其东一定有账本，而且每个投资者都有专门的一一对应的编号。相信已经交给检方。老郭罪名是成立的，没法辩护。不知道这些说老郭没罪的，想翻案的，常识在那里。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q188e53a6165f26a5df0d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9c1547cb84dacae95035","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q188e53a6165f26a5df0d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q8a4d55638d0b7169212f","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":344,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-20T01:42:32.507Z","text":"这个案子推翻可以靠程序不正义，但是现在翻案不是重点，因为郭已经被量刑了，而且他到最后也没为自己辩护。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9c1547cb84dacae95035","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8a4d55638d0b7169212f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9c1547cb84dacae95035","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q2d785e9eeaa33a6563b8","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":345,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-20T01:42:51.868Z","text":"郭到最后还是要灭共","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2d785e9eeaa33a6563b8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qfe5f5cb3480db756b4cc","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":346,"speaker":"xio***","date":"2026-07-20T01:45:03.236Z","text":"郭自己说的，他做这一切都是为了灭共的需要。只有等特赦了，总不能法律网开一面吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8a4d55638d0b7169212f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfe5f5cb3480db756b4cc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8a4d55638d0b7169212f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qfdbe673c3be31f01e0df","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":347,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-20T01:46:07.118Z","text":"最后高法推翻，或者特赦","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfe5f5cb3480db756b4cc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfdbe673c3be31f01e0df","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfe5f5cb3480db756b4cc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q8716a419b8ccfe67abca","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":348,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-20T01:46:43.896Z","text":"啥时候说帐本交给检方了？第几号法庭文件？你张嘴就来？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9c1547cb84dacae95035","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8716a419b8ccfe67abca","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9c1547cb84dacae95035","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q1e44a99e5347e5513141","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":349,"speaker":"xio***","date":"2026-07-20T01:47:33.565Z","text":"检方掌握的比浮出水面的多的多","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1e44a99e5347e5513141","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q457bab0cda06a0475463","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":350,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-07-20T01:49:35.468Z","text":"你就是个垃圾，任何法律都是程序正义为先，实质性罪次之，审判过程检方的程序不正义，等同于郭案无罪。你个垃圾法盲","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9c1547cb84dacae95035","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q457bab0cda06a0475463","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9c1547cb84dacae95035","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qe1a868c90d347519721b","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":351,"speaker":"xio***","date":"2026-07-20T01:49:47.297Z","text":"这个G系列投资到处是漏洞，抓你就抓你了你想怎么着？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe1a868c90d347519721b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q175cb51994b54299d3c1","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":352,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-20T01:50:50.166Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 我现在从头看案卷看到374了，银行记录都只看到ACA那个，这个银行记录证实流入郭家族这块，检方是最弱的","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q175cb51994b54299d3c1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qce74cfa46101b1e78d0d","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":353,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-07-20T01:50:53.141Z","text":"就这几个月，年底之前郭案翻了无罪释放","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfdbe673c3be31f01e0df","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qce74cfa46101b1e78d0d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfdbe673c3be31f01e0df","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qfbd89a9d4d7483554b36","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":354,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-07-20T01:51:31.838Z","text":"你是[屏蔽词]吗？二巡那么多程序不正义证据记录在案，这不是法庭是什么？你在蔑视第二巡回法院是吧","edited":true,"reply_to":"q12bbcb521d5918ffc4e1","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfbd89a9d4d7483554b36","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q1bed4d40b32f3e120fc3","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":355,"speaker":"xio***","date":"2026-07-20T01:51:55.987Z","text":"去赌博网站开盘，把开盘记录拿出来","edited":false,"reply_to":"qce74cfa46101b1e78d0d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1bed4d40b32f3e120fc3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qce74cfa46101b1e78d0d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qd2105ddb9a2496b0d74e","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":356,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-20T01:52:54.033Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 瑞恩下一个文件就可以推翻 打爆你们的脑浆","edited":true,"reply_to":"qfdbe673c3be31f01e0df","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd2105ddb9a2496b0d74e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfdbe673c3be31f01e0df","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qe5ef1b96788f8f95bbd0","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":357,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-07-20T01:54:11.945Z","text":"垃圾法盲，用一审结果就想把人定死，你以为上诉法庭是用来摆设的，司法审判程序不正义排第一是笑话，任由一审乱搞定罪是吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1bed4d40b32f3e120fc3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe5ef1b96788f8f95bbd0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1bed4d40b32f3e120fc3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q20423479defcc8078fa7","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":358,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-20T01:54:19.653Z","text":"[删节：成员身份]  告知你们一下 瑞恩下一个文件推翻郭案 你们有主子的 也去和你们的主子反应一下","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q20423479defcc8078fa7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q53ad3739fd99b188300f","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":359,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-20T01:55:15.982Z","text":"特设的前提，要plea guilty","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfe5f5cb3480db756b4cc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q53ad3739fd99b188300f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfe5f5cb3480db756b4cc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qf0743ca03f50856df830","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":360,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-20T01:56:09.013Z","text":"目前判郭9个罪，都是郭集团的罪，涉及个人的没有\n不像王，确实转了saraca 一个亿，属于洗钱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf0743ca03f50856df830","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q4245c54bb9fc8d6f3d0b","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":361,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-20T01:57:15.905Z","text":"班农特赦，认罪的，也是他个人挪用公款","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4245c54bb9fc8d6f3d0b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q3558fecb0d0c9275bd87","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":362,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-20T01:57:46.271Z","text":"可能用茄子🍆的时候，断里面了，导致精神错乱\n[删节：隐私信息]","edited":true,"reply_to":"q1741b737ae7ff4d6029a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3558fecb0d0c9275bd87","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1741b737ae7ff4d6029a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q1e355f2cbec783e96d36","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":363,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-07-20T01:58:36.485Z","text":"王雁平认罪是不是在曼哈顿联邦法庭？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1e355f2cbec783e96d36","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q5bc31e928dbe7238555a","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":364,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-20T02:00:41.762Z","text":"和郭同一个位置\n因为是同一个案子","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1e355f2cbec783e96d36","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5bc31e928dbe7238555a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1e355f2cbec783e96d36","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q9720b2e82ed5a7be14e8","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":365,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-07-20T02:01:36.779Z","text":"这个案子的核心是：郭是不是boss。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf0743ca03f50856df830","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9720b2e82ed5a7be14e8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf0743ca03f50856df830","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qa34fb4d51ed1c6a89204","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":366,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-07-20T02:05:06.822Z","text":"南区？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5bc31e928dbe7238555a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa34fb4d51ed1c6a89204","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5bc31e928dbe7238555a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qaf8b0a68b00de0a289d2","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":367,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-07-20T02:06:13.576Z","text":"南区法庭是不是也叫曼哈顿法庭？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaf8b0a68b00de0a289d2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q3a2871e2aad1b0b4ec1a","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":368,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-07-20T02:07:28.778Z","text":"灭共演员诈骗犯们整得农场借贷项目，还有各种对敲，现在看来，一看就是问题，为何可以持续这么长时间。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3a2871e2aad1b0b4ec1a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qde02a76f81a22fb9a9d6","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":369,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-20T02:09:58.211Z","text":"我不确定，南区位置应该就在Manhaton","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa34fb4d51ed1c6a89204","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qde02a76f81a22fb9a9d6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa34fb4d51ed1c6a89204","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qbdb43051914dbc032089","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":370,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-20T02:17:07.106Z","text":"这个不能提，一提对敲， ［用户 him***］ 安小东和屁酱 ［用户 tia***］ 都不高兴了🤣","edited":true,"reply_to":"q3a2871e2aad1b0b4ec1a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbdb43051914dbc032089","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3a2871e2aad1b0b4ec1a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q56902e2652c8bd30c4eb","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":371,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-20T02:26:47.659Z","text":"这帮人真的是，和 ［用户 him***］ 安小东一样，张口就来，嘴放屁比脱裤子还快🤣 \n这是在给老王洗地，老王反倒成了反习的英雄，那么他们的主子，SH帮也是英雄了🤣 \nhttps://x.com/kk26400689/status/2078783517459165655?s=46","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q56902e2652c8bd30c4eb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q0021fceb190cec344c36","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":372,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-20T03:31:05.924Z","text":"长岛帮的乱码妹，和 ［用户 him***］ 安小东，口径是一致的\n还在说什么 6000喜联储客户（都这时候了，她不可能不懂，喜联储reserve和喜交所exchange的区别，所以是故意坏)\nhttps://x.com/sendxicptohell/status/2079021211997323409?s=46","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0021fceb190cec344c36","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qad340f6b091efe845891","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":373,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-20T03:32:57.340Z","text":"不论哪派人，什么长岛，青，屁酱，羊帮，都不敢提\n王案没收\n余建民\n破产案luc如何进来刑事案\n民事诉sec的盖尔，为什么来刑事案\n喜交所6000人\n说白了，都是一路人，目前卖力演，互骂，第三梯队，假电话，募捐，这些都是烟雾弹\n目的是保没收，保remission，保盖尔，保破产案luc，保PAG吴争和破产案债权人（大部分是他们圈子自己人)能拿到G系列","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qad340f6b091efe845891","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q3110e2d27a2b35fae8b1","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":374,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-07-20T03:36:07.045Z","text":"GTV市值600亿的损失就找这些人赔\n\n重温郭先生直播\n2023/01/11\n这几天美国各个方面包括美国国会都在跟我们联系，都来了解这个案子，破产案怎么回事？GTV怎么回事？SEC怎么回事？南区检察院怎么回事？\n我们很清楚告诉美国各方：美国司法部、美国FBI、美国国土安全部和检察官，↓\n\nhttps://x.com/hei68077/status/2078972136409145548?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3110e2d27a2b35fae8b1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q02707e84196e99e368bb","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":375,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-07-20T03:37:01.269Z","text":"GTV無罪！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q02707e84196e99e368bb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q87c37582ff39599014c6","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":376,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-07-20T03:38:21.593Z","text":"應該要找南區檢查官、SEC、黃河邊、朱萬利賠償！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q87c37582ff39599014c6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q398b430442cbb501d664","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":377,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-07-20T03:41:43.346Z","text":"咱們另外立一案，告南區檢查官、SEC、黃河邊、朱萬利們！\n追討最少1000億美元（當時已估值600億美元）的損失賠償！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q398b430442cbb501d664","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qdc90e6c4d2b66537f5bf","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":378,"speaker":"sug***","date":"2026-07-20T03:42:45.738Z","text":"“郭美” 换了个平台，继续手心向上🫴的操作","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdc90e6c4d2b66537f5bf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q8f9d2c947724ab795e66","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":379,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-20T03:48:53.217Z","text":"https://x.com/rockpanshi/status/2079023179872264501?s=46 拒绝大头症就是别信自诉的可以翻案 和 ［用户 him***］ 一致","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8f9d2c947724ab795e66","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qdbfe83a0d2b98fb4d4df","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":380,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-20T03:50:04.665Z","text":"量刑后，还不跑路，因为G系列，还没有拿到手啊\n自诉的把王案没收，弄没了，他们就一毛都拿不到\n背后布局的懂这个道理，但这几帮傻X不懂，只忙着抢位置 如屁酱［用户 tia***］ ，还有摘桃 ［用户 him***］","edited":true,"reply_to":"q8f9d2c947724ab795e66","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdbfe83a0d2b98fb4d4df","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8f9d2c947724ab795e66","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q9395e7a625dc5e5a0284","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":381,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-07-20T03:52:16.719Z","text":"根据郭文贵案庭审文件，此案从被告人被抓捕到被宣判30年的过程中联邦检察官和法官那些涉嫌违法违规违背程序和常规的做法：\n\n在郭文贵（Miles Guo）案从2023年3月被告人被捕，到2026年6月29日被一审宣判30年刑期的整个过程中，联邦检察官（控方）与主审法官阿纳丽莎·托雷斯（Analisa Torres）在多处司法程序、证据开示、法庭引导致量刑计算上，被指存在大量违法、违规、违背英美法系常规与正当程序（Due Process）的做法。\n\n综合庭审文件、辩方书面异议及相关诉讼事实，以下是本案在审理中暴露出的主要程序不正义与违规行径：\n\n一、 政治迫害背景遭强行剥离，剥夺宪法第六修正案的“完整辩护权”\n\n在刑事诉讼中，被告人行为的主观意图（Intent）和动机（Motive）是判定欺诈罪是否成立的核心。郭文贵作为受到中共跨境追捕、红色通缉和跨国司法超限战打击的异见人士，其资金转移、设立复杂信托及安保防范行为，本质上具有极强的政治避险属性。\n\n法庭的程序压制：\n\n法官采纳了检方的动议，在庭审中极大限制、甚至剥夺了辩方向陪审团完整呈现中共跨国迫害背景的权利。\n\n违规分析：\n\n“只准控方指控其奢侈和隐匿资金，不准辩方解释其避险与安保防御”的做法，造成了极大的程序不对等，实质上剥夺了被告人基于宪法第六修正案所享有的完整辩护权，误导陪审团将所有的“政治避险腾挪”单方面认定为“欺诈掩饰”。\n\n二、 纵容“无损失受害者”与违背常识的证言，引导舆论与道德审判\n\n在刑事诈骗指控中，检方必须出示确凿的“实际损失”证据，且证言必须符合常识。然而，本案在人证和书证采信上存在严重瑕疵。\n\n舆论放大与实际举证的巨大撕裂：\n\n检方在起诉和官方公告中高调宣称有“数千人被骗”、“十亿美元损失”，但法庭实际卷宗中仅掌握 225 份受害人陈述。法官默许了这种严重夸大的“数字叙事”污染舆论，损害了无罪推定原则。\n\n“无实际损失”的证人：\n\n出庭的六位检方受害人证人，其资金绝大多数处于被美国政府或金融机构冻结的安全资金池中，并未发生永久性的实质本金损失。他们是在郭先生被捕、平台无法运营后，才在检方的引导下宣称“意识到被骗”。\n\n违背华人社会常识：\n\n六位证人在庭上公然宣称自己“不在乎政治风险，只在乎投资回报”。对于在严密政治监控下的海外华人群体，这完全违背了对政治株连极度敏感的生存常识。检方涉嫌纵容甚至教唆此类反常证言，而法官限制了辩方对此“被骗时间节点”及“真实背景/是否受第三方威逼利诱”的交叉盘问权，严重违背了司法中立与证据真实性常规。\n\n三、 “损失金额”认定存在严重财务与法理混乱，堆砌顶格刑期\n\n在《美国联邦量刑指南》（U.S.S.G. § 2B1.1）中，“损失金额”（Loss Amount）是决定刑期的关键变量。\n\n计算方式的系统性违规：\n\n辩方律师在量刑阶段提交了详尽的书面异议，指出检方计算的约13亿美元“损失金额”纯属重复、虚高且缺乏证据支持：\n\n重复计算（Double Counting）： 检方将一笔资金在不同平台（G-Club、G-TV、H-Coin和信托）之间的物理流转流向，进行了累加累计（如100万流转三次被计作300万损失）。\n\n混入无罪项目资金： 检方不顾部分罪名被陪审团裁定无罪的事实，依然强行把已被法律判定无罪的关联项目资金，全额算作欺诈损失，用无罪行为加重被告人的刑罚。\n\n冻结资产算作损失： 强行将已被监管部门（如SEC）或金融机构安全封存、随时可通过司法发还程序（Remission）退给投资者的冻结资产，认定为郭先生造成的“实际社会损失”。\n\n剥夺质证程序：\n\n当辩方强烈要求召开专门的“损失金额听证会”（Loss Amount Hearing）进行逐笔财务审计对账质证时，法官予以拒绝，直接全盘采纳了检方的注水账目，这构成了量刑程序上的重大违法。\n\n四、 混淆企业公产与个人私产，侵犯第三方法人财产权\n\n在针对新泽西豪宅（价值2650万美元）等资产的没收（Forfeiture）指控中，控方与法庭无视了公司法中保护法人的基本底线。\n\n混淆产权与使用权：\n\n该豪宅登记在独立法人实体（企业）名下，设计初衷是作为商业项目的办公、商务接待及直播等企业公产，而非郭文贵个人名下的私人房产。\n\n程序越权与没收违规：\n\n法官托雷斯在判决没收该豪宅时，强行将其列为郭文贵个人财产予以没收。在程序上，这绕过了第三方产权听证会（Ancillary Hearing），不经正规诉讼直接通过刑事量刑程序强占了未被起诉的第三方实体的资产，公然违反了《宪法第五修正案》保护私人财产正当程序的条款。\n\n五、 宣判当天的极端人权侵害与人道主义危机，暴露司法偏见\n\n2026年6月29日宣判当天，法庭与羁押部门的粗暴行径将程序不公推向了顶点：\n\n漠视生命健康与暴力对待：","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9395e7a625dc5e5a0284","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q2e82734dd4eeee68c5b5","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":382,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-07-20T03:56:23.360Z","text":"被告人于宣判当天清晨在狱中发生急性身体危机（晕倒、吐血）。执法人员非但没有第一时间送医，反而粗暴地用剪刀铰碎了其被血迹污染的随身衣服，强行给极度虚弱、吐血不止的被告人换上囚衣押上法庭。\n\n毁灭实物证据与法庭污蔑：\n\n被血迹污染的衣服是证实其当天突发严重疾病的直接物证，执法人员强制销毁该衣物涉嫌“毁灭证据”。在庭上，检察官公然在无任何诊断证明的情况下，指控被告人“装病以拖延宣判”。\n\n法官放弃保护职责：\n\n法庭在明知被告人严重呕血、健康极度受损的情况下，不仅没有宣布休庭和委派独立医疗官进行健康评估，反而默认检方的污蔑，甚至针对敏感争议举行闭门听证（Closed-door hearing），排除公众与媒体监督。法庭强行在被告人身体崩溃的边缘推进了30年重刑的宣判。这种行为严重触犯了宪法第八修正案关于禁止“残酷与非常规惩罚”的法理底线。\n\n总结\n\n郭文贵案的审理过程，展现出了一场“以政治定罪为导向，不惜破坏程序正义”的非典型司法操作：\n\n联邦检察官通过拼凑“无损失受害者”、歪曲“避险动机”为“洗钱欺诈”、以及在财务上玩弄“重复计算”，成功误导了陪审团；而主审法官托雷斯则通过过滤关键地缘政治背景、限制交叉盘问、拒绝损失对账听证、以及在宣判日对病重被告人实施严重人权侵害，为检方指控一路绿灯。\n\n这些被记录在庭审卷宗里的系统性违规与程序硬伤，在初审中强行堆砌出了30年的重刑，但同样也彻底动摇了判决的合法性，为辩护团队在接下来的联邦第二巡回上诉法院（Appellate Court）以及最高法院的纠偏上诉中，提供了充足且致命的宪法与法理炮弹。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2e82734dd4eeee68c5b5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qbe54e9f3addadf570d2e","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":383,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-20T04:02:47.442Z","text":"南区要卖人了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9395e7a625dc5e5a0284","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbe54e9f3addadf570d2e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9395e7a625dc5e5a0284","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qb8008f8c07f0896fbd91","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":384,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-20T04:03:23.165Z","text":"为了自保","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb8008f8c07f0896fbd91","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q9709730aceaf93ed25c7","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":385,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-20T04:04:16.121Z","text":"这个账号 也是长岛帮的\n推文从不提长岛的问题\nGTV没问题，不代表其他三个实体 农场借贷 GClub 喜交所 没问题\n农场借贷 farm loan，是长岛的事，他逃不掉的，这个号从来都是避谈","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3110e2d27a2b35fae8b1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9709730aceaf93ed25c7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3110e2d27a2b35fae8b1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qaf7bf365c953048b0759","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":386,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-07-20T04:11:45.577Z","text":"太多好了！muscle:💪💪請問哪裡可以看到？😊","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb8008f8c07f0896fbd91","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaf7bf365c953048b0759","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb8008f8c07f0896fbd91","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q614ddd7d446048ebcd17","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":387,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-07-20T04:15:52.199Z","text":"他們為什麼不敢沒收了？敢硬量刑，就敢沒收吧！請指點👍🙏🙏🙏","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdbfe83a0d2b98fb4d4df","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q614ddd7d446048ebcd17","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdbfe83a0d2b98fb4d4df","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q737d8c787b10c5598102","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":388,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-20T04:22:32.140Z","text":"目前GTV还在整体没收范围内（王案+郭案），并没有被取消\n最终没收一开，做实GTV被没收，那么Tony二巡的卷宗，就可以触发主权冲突","edited":false,"reply_to":"q614ddd7d446048ebcd17","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q737d8c787b10c5598102","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q614ddd7d446048ebcd17","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q65ce045e22b9b978ba25","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":389,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-20T04:23:19.586Z","text":"gtv不是被托雷斯删了嘛","edited":false,"reply_to":"q737d8c787b10c5598102","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q65ce045e22b9b978ba25","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q737d8c787b10c5598102","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qecc6789549f4592b97f8","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":390,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-07-20T04:23:29.638Z","text":"https://x.com/grassroots79241/status/2079014472186814928?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qecc6789549f4592b97f8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q8c6574e6f15348f8b5e6","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":391,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-20T04:24:41.190Z","text":"GTV只是在郭案刑期计算里，被删除\n没收可没有删","edited":false,"reply_to":"q65ce045e22b9b978ba25","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8c6574e6f15348f8b5e6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q65ce045e22b9b978ba25","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qf34dfba8ac517ee724dc","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":392,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-07-20T04:25:25.000Z","text":"GTV已經被拔出來了，所以，原本的13億美元變成了8.89億美元","edited":false,"reply_to":"q737d8c787b10c5598102","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf34dfba8ac517ee724dc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q737d8c787b10c5598102","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q481eae37cceb2b6d39e7","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":393,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-20T04:25:34.020Z","text":"这个之前和 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讨论过\n王案定的没收范围，还是整个G系列","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q481eae37cceb2b6d39e7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q6dfe6d453110b5fd861c","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":394,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-20T04:25:48.592Z","text":"刑期不算没收呢？有说法吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8c6574e6f15348f8b5e6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6dfe6d453110b5fd861c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8c6574e6f15348f8b5e6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q47232d7fd71fbe5b998c","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":395,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-20T04:26:30.251Z","text":"没收，要等最终没收令，现在不一直难产嘛","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6dfe6d453110b5fd861c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q47232d7fd71fbe5b998c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6dfe6d453110b5fd861c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q44f67fbaf3d494f11d54","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":396,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-20T04:26:58.653Z","text":"量刑后发的补充没收令，只有增加几个公司账户，没有提到删除 ［用户 reb***］","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q44f67fbaf3d494f11d54","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qdc82c28b7937a6448965","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":397,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-20T04:27:05.730Z","text":"之前检方说要包括 辩方说不包括 托雷斯咋说的？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q47232d7fd71fbe5b998c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdc82c28b7937a6448965","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q47232d7fd71fbe5b998c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q4485f2c4c3b011248e5d","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":398,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-20T04:27:53.810Z","text":"还没有下最终没收令","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdc82c28b7937a6448965","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4485f2c4c3b011248e5d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdc82c28b7937a6448965","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"q8772155d873f92cb214c","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":399,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-20T04:28:24.810Z","text":"那是和郭的刑期相关\n没收的范围设定，在王案","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf34dfba8ac517ee724dc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8772155d873f92cb214c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf34dfba8ac517ee724dc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"},{"id":"qee7f00dfe577a1f9704b","batch_id":"batch-000137","seq":400,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-07-20T04:28:47.989Z","text":"最终没收令里应该会删除，除非政府换boss。在郭是boss的框架下，对郭的资产没收令没有gtv，那最终没收令也不会有gtv。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q44f67fbaf3d494f11d54","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qee7f00dfe577a1f9704b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q44f67fbaf3d494f11d54","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000137"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000136","next_batch_id":"batch-000138"}