{"id":"batch-000140","number":140,"revision":1,"date_start":"2026-07-27T00:56:15.990Z","date_end":"2026-07-29T20:06:45.380Z","total_messages":1000,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 140 (Jul 27, 2026 – Jul 29, 2026), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. From Jul 27, 2026 to Jul 29, 2026, the discussion focused on the Guo case’s financial fallout: whether refunds were possible without a full reversal and how seized assets map to losses. Participants argued whether the conduct was RICO conspiracy, embezzlement, or civil damage, and whether appeal timing or retrial pathways could alter recovery. They also disputed controlling responsibility and challenged the reliability of evidence and identity-based legitimacy claims. Community statements, not court findings.","guide_en":[{"title":"Asset recovery and forfeiture boundaries became the earliest and recurring flashpoint","description":"Participants argued that refund claims were disputed against seizure limits, with some reporting 853 repayments and others saying money return required overturning the entire case. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q8dc97876cad7d525e122","q5305508d3e7a619dde54","q5a792282b987e4cdeffc"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q8dc97876cad7d525e122","summary_en":"A member reported that 853 had just begun returning money. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q5305508d3e7a619dde54","summary_en":"A participant argued that getting money back required the whole case to be overturned. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q5a792282b987e4cdeffc","summary_en":"Another participant argued refunds could not happen because 853 had not yet been adjudicated. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Criminal classification dispute: whether RICO conspiracy fraud can be treated as embezzlement or civil compensation","description":"Participants argued over legal characterization, contrasting a broader RICO conspiracy framing with narrower civil-or-embezzlement interpretations tied to who controlled funds. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qa5567cd2a57b4131d121","q24270971a481dda1ec15","qc827f06500f9b65591c3"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qa5567cd2a57b4131d121","summary_en":"A participant argued there could be multiple bosses and that the RICO plea outcome might invalidate a plea agreement and add obstruction, conspiracy fraud, money laundering, and unregistered-agent charges. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q24270971a481dda1ec15","summary_en":"A participant claimed that if only some farmers cheated investors, the matter would be a civil lawsuit. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qc827f06500f9b65591c3","summary_en":"The same participant argued that if Wang and Yu embezzled money, it might be only a civil misappropriation issue. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Reopening or appeal feasibility, timeline, and whether proceedings were stayed","description":"Participants disputed whether reopening the case was realistic, whether language or filing limits blocked a retrial path, and whether appeal options had in fact already been exhausted. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q9d644e7adf04ecad5371","q8fa81d805839df789611","q46113cce7614101fc350"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q9d644e7adf04ecad5371","summary_en":"A participant argued that reversing 853 required a third party to fully overturn the case first. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q8fa81d805839df789611","summary_en":"A participant claimed the defendant could not self-argue well because of poor English. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q46113cce7614101fc350","summary_en":"A participant stated that an appeal application had been denied. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Disputes over role attribution: boss, spiritual leader, and who bears responsibility","description":"Participants argued about hierarchy and culpability, with some contending Guo was only an advisor and others using rhetorical attacks to frame who should carry responsibility for outcomes. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qa2bd3ec33c1376acb851","q1a0b4fb5d80396f2b5b6","q90b834ce75ea3898c8f4"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qa2bd3ec33c1376acb851","summary_en":"A participant argued Guo should not be treated as a boss, saying he had no title, shares, or salary and lacked operational control. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q1a0b4fb5d80396f2b5b6","summary_en":"A participant claimed that during the second-instance phase, Baochu was targeting Qing specifically. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q90b834ce75ea3898c8f4","summary_en":"A participant used a derisive personal accusation, saying AVa had 'put the green hat' on ADiao, as part of the blame-and-status conflict. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Asset chain and entity ownership impasse: Golden Spring, Taurus, and related entities","description":"Participants argued over ownership links and forfeiture scope, questioning whether Golden Spring appeared on the seizure list and whether investments were funded by investor money or linked entities. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q4b2076360cc4035cafa5","q9782167ec8c8ab75c037","q9a53218a53c9cd44a017"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q4b2076360cc4035cafa5","summary_en":"A participant asked whether the Guo family’s Golden Spring company was missing from the forfeiture list. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q9782167ec8c8ab75c037","summary_en":"A participant responded affirmatively that it was not in the seizure list. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q9a53218a53c9cd44a017","summary_en":"A participant said the asset was purchased with investment capital. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Procedural credibility dispute: evidence staging, lawyer communication, and procedural fairness","description":"Participants argued that evidence and attorney handling may have been staged, with prosecutorial narratives and defense responses claimed to be strategically selective and unfair. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q878d5e2349c0ac628e3c","qfc062dc44defa805854d","qf3e9e8d6e6076a57162d"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q878d5e2349c0ac628e3c","summary_en":"A participant said ACA capital already contained old money and alleged prosecutors intentionally manipulated fund-flow evidence. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qfc062dc44defa805854d","summary_en":"A participant argued defense counsel only denied Guo ownership while not disproving allegations that investor money funded the property, and questioned whether prosecutors and official claims were false. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf3e9e8d6e6076a57162d","summary_en":"A participant raised skepticism by asking whether Alliance’s complaints about Taga and Tombstone Tech were merely paid advertising. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Social media and outside reports were treated as evidence but repeatedly challenged for authenticity","description":"Participants argued that social posts were being cited as proof, while others contested provenance and truthfulness and accused selective sourcing. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qfbadfa1a7fa8c8bf04af","qdcdf07585aa11168af9c","q53400232138a317bfe28"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qfbadfa1a7fa8c8bf04af","summary_en":"A participant shared a social-media post link as evidence support. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qdcdf07585aa11168af9c","summary_en":"A participant posted another external link to strengthen a narrative position. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q53400232138a317bfe28","summary_en":"A participant shared a third social-post link, which others treated as another disputed item in evidence discussion. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Community ecosystem conflict escalated: sockpuppet allegations, anonymous identity, and speech-right debates","description":"Participants argued over who had legitimate standing to speak, contending that some users were outsider impostors or opportunistic actors while the others challenged their influence on group decisions. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qfc5d657d60272e577449","q6b755da236f3b34e5132","q89eaff937100c15aea58"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qfc5d657d60272e577449","summary_en":"A participant questioned what value such speakers added and whether preserving their legal status helped the self-prosecution group. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q6b755da236f3b34e5132","summary_en":"A participant alleged that someone appeared to be pretending to be a random bystander. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q89eaff937100c15aea58","summary_en":"A participant suggested the group had many new outsiders under pressure, implying a large coordinated plan not led by Guo. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Politicized interpretations and conspiracy narratives spread across anti-communist, institution, and media debates","description":"Participants argued with politicized explanations, inserting deep-state and anti-communist frames and claims about CIA and media bias, which shifted the thread toward ideology over case facts. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qe6d46112b5c6ba5d83c1","qf45ac5c9e6428489cdbd","q6f103dd77f6518d93b03"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qe6d46112b5c6ba5d83c1","summary_en":"A participant claimed Xi was not a deep-government actor and described a conflict between elite factions, with deep-government actors alleged to have humiliated Xi and Peng. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf45ac5c9e6428489cdbd","summary_en":"A participant asserted that Chuan would not dare to use the CIA. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q6f103dd77f6518d93b03","summary_en":"A participant suggested that the Communist Party might still be supporting the outcome at the end. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Recovery timing and distribution logic in standoff: creditor priority, procedural delay, and outcome forecasting","description":"Participants argued that forfeiture and bankruptcy mechanics would govern payouts first, making criminal-case recovery dependent on what remained after creditors were paid. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qc224396f0788088c5242","qde58e11c400290251cba","qdc0a49e87eda0778b21c"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qc224396f0788088c5242","summary_en":"A participant said the expected path was forfeiture first, then PAG creditor payouts in bankruptcy. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qde58e11c400290251cba","summary_en":"A participant added that this sequence was what would complete the task. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qdc0a49e87eda0778b21c","summary_en":"A participant warned that 1.4 billion in seized funds would be distributed in bankruptcy first, likely leaving nothing for the criminal case. Community statements, not court findings."}]}],"summary":"讨论的主线最初集中在财务后果：853能否退款、没收与赔偿比例、及哪些资产可入追缴范围。随后转向程序争议，围绕RICO/侵吞定性影响、翻案与上诉可行性、二巡时序和程序中止边界形成分歧。身份归属与责任链条也持续拉扯，“boss”与精神领袖、谁签字谁背锅、谁可主张资格缺乏统一答案。与此同时，检方与辩方材料、社媒截图、外部报道都被反复当证据使用，却伴随真伪与动机质疑；“假身份”“托”“群控”叙事与发言秩序争议不断。后期话题进一步政治化，掺入遣返、移监、阴谋论与媒体公信度之争，讨论逐步从案件事实滑向群体立场对抗。","guide":[{"title":"财产返还与没收边界成最早且反复的冲突点","message_ids":["q8dc97876cad7d525e122","q5305508d3e7a619dde54","q5a792282b987e4cdeffc"]},{"title":"刑事定性分歧：Rico共谋诈骗与侵吞/民事赔偿是否可互换","message_ids":["qa5567cd2a57b4131d121","q24270971a481dda1ec15","qc827f06500f9b65591c3"]},{"title":"翻案与上诉路径的可行性、时序与停顿是否成立","message_ids":["q9d644e7adf04ecad5371","q8fa81d805839df789611","q46113cce7614101fc350"]},{"title":"身份与责任归属争执：boss、精神领袖、谁在背锅","message_ids":["qa2bd3ec33c1376acb851","q1a0b4fb5d80396f2b5b6","q90b834ce75ea3898c8f4"]},{"title":"资产链条与企业归属困局：Golden 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至少案子还有","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qde9b23deb2fe5375bf07","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q811f40c4fc77ab911094","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":802,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-29T07:09:25.329Z","text":"就像托雷斯当时如果继续拖 那么他至少不会如此被动","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q811f40c4fc77ab911094","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q3b2bd722831e129912a5","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":803,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-29T07:09:48.881Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 安小东 [删节：隐私信息] 看不懂啊","edited":true,"reply_to":"q8c39176c4ebcba21953f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3b2bd722831e129912a5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8c39176c4ebcba21953f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"qff7b2fc86c1708a4e896","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":804,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-29T07:24:34.594Z","text":"https://x.com/ruienxiaoge777/status/2082366602641809889?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qff7b2fc86c1708a4e896","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q89eaff937100c15aea58","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":805,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-29T07:25:32.611Z","text":"一定是谁给压力了，同时来这个群里的闲人也多了，还有几个死守的，看来真是一盘大棋啊，但棋手不是老郭","edited":false,"reply_to":"q811f40c4fc77ab911094","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q89eaff937100c15aea58","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q811f40c4fc77ab911094","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q722f2891620997e3ee25","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":806,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-29T07:27:27.283Z","text":"编的太糙了，没有代入感，好歹让ai 润色一下","edited":false,"reply_to":"qff7b2fc86c1708a4e896","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q722f2891620997e3ee25","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qff7b2fc86c1708a4e896","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q3ac27aad2e0140b2f567","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":807,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-29T07:27:46.001Z","text":"就是要糙","edited":false,"reply_to":"q722f2891620997e3ee25","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3ac27aad2e0140b2f567","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q722f2891620997e3ee25","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"qa274b6df89579f5d33bd","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":808,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-29T07:27:52.205Z","text":"说明 他们的这个和我这个","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa274b6df89579f5d33bd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q65b12329065351823645","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":809,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-29T07:27:54.135Z","text":"是一样的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q65b12329065351823645","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q0a257f3e813662f78199","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":810,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-29T07:27:56.256Z","text":"没任何区别","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0a257f3e813662f78199","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q59ded057efa8c85f55fe","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":811,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-29T07:27:59.533Z","text":"https://x.com/ruienxiaoge777/status/2082367311038886224?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q59ded057efa8c85f55fe","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"qc942117db9534758a88c","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":812,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-29T07:28:50.837Z","text":"［用户 may***］ 应该是量刑后，没拿到项目奖金尾款，被迫加班，对不对🤣","edited":true,"reply_to":"q89eaff937100c15aea58","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc942117db9534758a88c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q89eaff937100c15aea58","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q5cafa723a987f3957192","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":813,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-29T07:28:58.827Z","text":"他们说的再感激涕零 感天动地 和我这个 没有任何区别","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5cafa723a987f3957192","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"qe40e365f81dc68d10e2f","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":814,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-29T07:29:38.444Z","text":"编的细点就真有傻韭菜信","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe40e365f81dc68d10e2f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q0ecf92482e9a7d50ab31","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":815,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-29T07:30:03.222Z","text":"简单粗暴🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5cafa723a987f3957192","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0ecf92482e9a7d50ab31","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5cafa723a987f3957192","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"qb9f89448eed3b3d3307c","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":816,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-29T07:30:05.652Z","text":"就是要编没人信 说明他们的跟我一样","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe40e365f81dc68d10e2f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb9f89448eed3b3d3307c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe40e365f81dc68d10e2f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q04769b9bc5c1ba99835f","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":817,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-29T07:31:21.357Z","text":"口口声声见郭美 没有一张照片 没一个视频 见[屏蔽词]","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q04769b9bc5c1ba99835f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q172ee5aac2c7209a98e2","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":818,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-29T07:31:37.449Z","text":"我天天和郭美操逼 你们都来信我吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q172ee5aac2c7209a98e2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q8cf8cbd3cf6d0f5bf7e3","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":819,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-29T07:31:44.387Z","text":"我也没视频 没照片","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8cf8cbd3cf6d0f5bf7e3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q55bc2531e8441d32b85f","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":820,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-29T07:31:50.861Z","text":"请问 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hel***］ 所以luc一直在打alter ego，这些案子都还在进行","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qadb94c3774c4b60fe185","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q76d864861e4f83c54677","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":869,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-29T09:57:01.306Z","text":"对郭美的HCHK\n在BVI对郭强 \n对有Mahwah的Taurus公司 \n对余建明的ACA capital","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q76d864861e4f83c54677","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"qcc7a83a5c44f25352cc9","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":870,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-07-29T09:58:00.584Z","text":"本案如此荒唐，难道还在想它后面按正常程序走。它们会把法律漏洞用到极致。因为资金混同，司法部有权决定交给受托人，并且remission 环节不受监督。它就是给了受托人，然后你不满意，你可以去起诉美国政府，那些[屏蔽词]不在乎你去起诉。","edited":true,"reply_to":"qf028bcd2aeed16eaac0c","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcc7a83a5c44f25352cc9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q6b95519a10744194a99b","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":871,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-29T10:01:19.859Z","text":"是的 ［用户 hel***］ \n参考南区对Mahwah的处理，先拿给破产案luc，然后luc再起诉拥有Mahwah的Taurus公司，是郭的alter 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些弹劾证人，检方称她是受害者证人","edited":false,"reply_to":"q404cd43db764e7e760a2","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7f9635d39e0552373e1c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q31f16b2ff41125dc18bd","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":880,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-29T13:18:15.877Z","text":"是不是以前有中文版本的？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8314838c1ba71b39281d","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q31f16b2ff41125dc18bd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q2694fb289ae03c1526a6","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":881,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-07-29T13:22:38.070Z","text":"要点击 中文","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3393a5d2180f78f47c05","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2694fb289ae03c1526a6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q829bbd28b5c6c125a16a","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":882,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-07-29T13:24:21.743Z","text":"以前有中午板。我就是看的中文板。但是有些从始至终都没有翻译成中文，所以有些文件我根本看不了！","edited":false,"reply_to":"q31f16b2ff41125dc18bd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q829bbd28b5c6c125a16a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q31f16b2ff41125dc18bd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"qc54b80fe920aa03bd855","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":883,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-29T13:29:08.399Z","text":"我以为那个中文就是个提示，我一个个粘贴到翻译软件里看到了200多🥲","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2694fb289ae03c1526a6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc54b80fe920aa03bd855","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2694fb289ae03c1526a6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q0c199ec6f1991e6a7018","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":884,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-29T13:33:21.418Z","text":"检方居然整了220 “ 万 ”页文件，真是不遗余力啊  🥶                          检方已经按时向辩方披露了庞大的证据（超过15太字节的数据和220万页文件）","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0c199ec6f1991e6a7018","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q64dfbce8a4b046406eb9","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":885,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-07-29T13:44:37.068Z","text":"這些應該是破產庭Luc去追資產，因為他認為是屬於他的資產🤭🤣\n所以，老郭曾說過，司法部會幫我們把帳查得清清楚楚🤭","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7f9635d39e0552373e1c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64dfbce8a4b046406eb9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7f9635d39e0552373e1c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"qe3adbfc719fb4c6eea62","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":886,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-07-29T13:45:41.228Z","text":"辯護律師基本上等於食屎，什麼證據都不去挖","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe3adbfc719fb4c6eea62","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q3ea9a5d6d803c0ceebee","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":887,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-07-29T13:48:04.150Z","text":"我們應該多點去看看破產庭那邊的文件，天道把破產庭那邊很多文件都看過，總結出來。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3ea9a5d6d803c0ceebee","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q7a662dd83b4496ec6b17","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":888,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-29T14:07:24.167Z","text":"其实也难为辩方律师，检方整的15太字节的数据和220万页文件都够他们看的了，检方就是要用文字山数据海把郭淹没","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7a662dd83b4496ec6b17","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q97d52f9047e2b3198227","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":889,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-29T14:11:23.371Z","text":"我现在觉得郭弄这个破产真是愚蠢无比，本来他个人名下就没多少资产，没破产PAG只能拿他个人名下的资产，搞个破产了LUC进来不光花光全球追查，还得给LUC付费用给他查，把我们的钱都花掉一大块","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q97d52f9047e2b3198227","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"qb50b7e2a1beb0b0cc473","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":890,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-29T14:13:54.196Z","text":"把船开走也是愚蠢，人不能凭着意气来干事，法院判了也只能先服从再来打","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb50b7e2a1beb0b0cc473","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"qbaab203ec04510328dd0","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":891,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-29T14:15:54.080Z","text":"股票凭证，去CVS花几毛钱印一张不就有了，搞得被检方抓住不放说你虚假陈述，干的活这么多漏洞","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbaab203ec04510328dd0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q353dab78a516c29dda5d","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":892,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-29T14:18:04.401Z","text":"还一直有律师在身边，说律师看着的，律师也TM不知道怎么回事，是真不懂还是假不懂","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q353dab78a516c29dda5d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q4691d6e1e7ea77c18a88","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":893,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-07-29T14:19:53.044Z","text":"赢就完事儿 哪那么多道理","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4691d6e1e7ea77c18a88","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"qc32910de15dcb4bc3a7e","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":894,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-29T14:49:56.759Z","text":"在郭先生申请破产后，破产法院任命了卢克·德斯平为第11章托管人。该法院信任德斯平具备资格、能力和勤勉来管理这个从一开始就显得相当复杂的破产案。\n尽管每个人都有权咨询律师，虽然他把2100万美元的账单提交给破产法院，但他有资格作托管人吗？普恒律师事务所是否是实际托管人？注意到这一点后，检方律师接下来还会直接跟卢克·德斯平联系所有进一步的事务，当然他可以与律师一起审阅，尽管他似乎已由律师出面代表了。根据法律，德斯平也被指定为破产财产的授权代表。与普通人相比，托管人有更大的责任以自己的名义行事。\n在2023年6月26日发布的22-05003号案件的247号文件当中，破产法院认定“托管人是一位经验丰富的破产案专业人士”。因此，为什么有人要通过普恒律师事务所联系托管人？为什么托管人不能在没有律师\n事务所代劳的情况下管理第11章破产？检方律师的客户首先被托管人榨取，然后再次被托管人的律师所榨取？而托管人却还厚颜无耻到对喜玛拉雅交易所及其客户进行诋毁。\n检方律师的结论是：所有各方都应该直接与正式任命的托管人打交道，并将向托管人\n提供建议的法律费用保持在最低水平。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc32910de15dcb4bc3a7e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q5d559c5839ee3095954a","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":895,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-07-29T14:52:48.152Z","text":"隔空取各位钱🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d559c5839ee3095954a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q3f04d732df761b23e9d6","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":896,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-29T14:59:36.422Z","text":"这段话是一份法律抗辩或异议文件中摘录的文字，通常出自被告（或相关利益方，如郭文贵一方或其关联实体/支持者）的律师之手，主要在质疑和抨击破产案中破产受托人（Bankruptcy Trustee，即 Luc Despins）及其聘用的律所（Paul Hastings，保洁丽所）收取巨额律师费用的合理性。您的理解基本切中了要害。这段话的核心逻辑是：既然破产受托人本身就是拿着高薪、经验丰富的破产专业人士，为什么还要把大量工作交由外部大律所来做，导致受害人/债权人的财产被高昂的法律账单像“吸血”一样掏空？以下是该段文字的具体含义拆解：质疑受托人的独立执业能力与资质：文中提到破产法院曾认证Luc Despins是“经验丰富的破产专业人士”，且他向破产法院提交了高达21宗（或总计2100万美元，根据上下文习惯）的巨额账单。  发言者讽刺道：既然他这么专业、收了这么多钱，难道他还不够资格独立担任受托人吗？为什么实际上所有的活好像都是由“Paul Hastings”这家大律所包办的？难道实际上是这家律所在当受托人吗？核心抗议：拒绝“双重收费”和律师费失控：按照破产法的规定，受托人（Trustee）作为法定代表，有责任以自己的名义履行管理和处置破产财产的职责。  发言者认为，受托人应当直接处理业务，而不是把大量日常行政和管理工作都推给外部律师事务所去完成，从而产生重复且高昂的法律服务费。文中用了一个非常形象的比喻——“被榨干”（bled dry），指控债权人或相关受害人（即检方提到的受害者群体、喜马拉雅交易所的客户等）先是被受托人层层剥皮，接着又被受托人的律师剥了一层皮。对立情绪与后续诉求：文字后半部分提到，受托人反过来对“喜马拉雅交易所（Himalaya Exchange）及其客户”指指点点、泼脏水（cast aspersions），这引起了辩护律师的强烈不满。  最终结论： 律师要求以后各方直接与受托人Luc Despins本人对接沟通，以此将支付给Paul Hastings律所的法律咨询费用压到最低，避免财产被律师费进一步吞噬。  总结您提到的“破产受托人不应该另外又花钱请律师榨取受害人”：您的理解完全符合这段话的控诉方向。在企业破产（特别是像郭文贵案这种涉及巨额跨境资产、复杂的加密货币和多方利益的破产重组/清算案）中，“受托人聘请豪华律所产生天价账单，最终导致债权人/受害者分不到钱（资产全被律师费吃掉）”一直是各方争议的核心痛点和常见法律交锋点。这段话正是站在受害人/相关方的立场上，对这种高昂的法律开支进行公开的强烈谴责。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3f04d732df761b23e9d6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q2938ea1d0472a1348508","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":897,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-29T15:04:43.070Z","text":"这个妖婆又在搞啥？这是要混个绿卡吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2938ea1d0472a1348508","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"qb9dae46a6e02524f7c08","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":898,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-29T15:17:18.953Z","text":"郭说他的庭审律师没有打LUC，其实反而盖尔打了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb9dae46a6e02524f7c08","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"qaefec44cb72abb422cef","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":899,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-29T15:23:08.365Z","text":"这种情况本身是值得质疑的，并清楚地显示出这一系列事件和异议之所以出现，仅仅是因为他试图充当接收人并管理资金的计划现在受到了质疑。需要注意的是，这是与第11章托管人的不同角色。很明显，目前正在与托管人和美国司法部进行持续的讨论，而且他确实提到他希望在2023年8月（证据展示1：198-12文件）的破产听证会上与美国司法部接触，担任接收人以管理这些资金。这是没有意义的，因为如果他能证明这些资金属于第11章破产财产，那么他就不需要充当任何接收人的职务，也不需要在破产法官面前提到这一点。显然，他知道这不属于第11章（破产资产），否则他就不用试图与美国司法部接触，担任接收人管理这些资金。 他没有权力随意介入并提出他应该承担与他无关的角色。并且，他不是适当的人选来承担那个角色，由于可能存在明显的利益冲突。正如此刻在这发生的情况，他在短时间内改变了与此案高度相关的策略，并且现在提出这笔钱属于郭先生，并表示资金不仅可能是第11章破产案资产，而且这项诉讼还在某种程度上干扰了第11章破产案的管理。托管人的这种行为似曾相识。他曾接受了提供给船公司的3700万美元贷款，作为对船的担保，法院做出了相关的裁决，并未判决这笔钱是第11章破产财产的一部分。一旦船被归还，他改变了立场，并提出船公司是第11章财产的一部分，因此借给它的钱属于破产财产。然后，他进一步要求先从交易所借款的钱中支付1100万美元的法律费用。这些问题应该受到关注，因为行为过程造成了对客户资金保障的重大影响。他变化立场似乎并非源于任何新的发现，而更像是一种反复出现的策略。提供的例子强调了这些不断增加的担\n忧。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaefec44cb72abb422cef","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q03caea19a73c5d645606","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":900,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-29T15:24:37.275Z","text":"在任何情况下，托管人不能同时充当托管人和这些资金的接收人。接收人不应处于托管人的位置，并且必须在根据实际证据评估索赔和管理资金返还时保持中立。他略过这一点因为这并不有利于他，并且这是一个严重的利益冲突问题，无论他试图以两个身份中哪\n一个来行事。到目前为止，他的行为并不像一个中立的接收人，因为他似乎在没有任何证据支持的情况下声称一切都属于第11章财产，造成同时大量法律费用的产生。这不能简单地被忽视。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q03caea19a73c5d645606","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"qdeca87971fc2fbbc7f31","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":901,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-29T15:26:26.775Z","text":"不用扯这些，要讲理，一个利益冲突Luc就得滚蛋。现在的问题是司法在耍流氓，不跟你讲法","edited":false,"reply_to":"q03caea19a73c5d645606","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdeca87971fc2fbbc7f31","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q03caea19a73c5d645606","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q24aa7bac6735b671a4aa","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":902,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-29T15:27:15.439Z","text":"关于达林顿庄园，尽管美国司法部在他们的案件中表示，这栋房子是用Gclub会员的费用购买的，而他却一直坚持这是由未经证实的所谓嫌犯欺诈所得购买，应该归属于被告及其财产。如果美国司法部的案件判决是正确的，那么这些Gclub成员的资金属于这些受害\n者，无论从任何角度来看都不属于郭先生，无论是作为个人、作为债务人-申请人，还是作为任何实体的官员。托管人现在正试图使用这些客户资金。法庭允许这种行为继续影响喜马拉雅客户资金将是完全不公正的。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q24aa7bac6735b671a4aa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q08e04260c99183eed491","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":903,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-29T15:31:00.537Z","text":"你要说法院和检方不讲理，也要具体说出他们在哪件事上，具体怎么样不讲理了，这些就是具体体现他们不讲理的地方，你用一句话“司法在耍流氓不讲理”二巡就支持你了吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdeca87971fc2fbbc7f31","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q08e04260c99183eed491","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdeca87971fc2fbbc7f31","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"qce0d2d5dc8ff9113f80d","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":904,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-29T15:33:47.087Z","text":"跟他们扯这个就会纠缠不清，不用跟他讲为什么，直接铲它根，他根本没资格做受托人，","edited":false,"reply_to":"q08e04260c99183eed491","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qce0d2d5dc8ff9113f80d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q08e04260c99183eed491","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q6e5a33679661c6737713","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":905,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-29T15:33:50.020Z","text":"以前我们打LUC，都只会说“普恒跟中共有很多合作”，这个根本就没用，人家毕竟是专业律师，说到点上了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6e5a33679661c6737713","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"qb181635861ca9afe4451","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":906,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-29T15:35:07.262Z","text":"那会是托雷斯，现在是二巡法官，二巡主要看的就是程序违规违宪","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb181635861ca9afe4451","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"qcecf53f536b1e7e6c294","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":907,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-29T15:35:34.277Z","text":"吵架扯皮的事儿不是二巡管的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcecf53f536b1e7e6c294","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q91c10f8a85660e4a7654","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":908,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-29T15:39:20.629Z","text":"我们以前也以为：  受托人 LUC=普恒，所以一直在打普恒，所以他们去纽约车站普恒律所前抗议显得多荒唐","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q91c10f8a85660e4a7654","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"qfd03fd491a741b8bfcb3","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":909,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-29T16:00:14.765Z","text":"受托人辩称存放在银行的资金是银行的财产，但它们不是。首先，它们是存款人的信托财产，其次银行—通常在其名称中有“信托”一词——是代表另一方的受托人。确实，一部分的（少于100%）美国银行储备系统要求银行协调资金并尽力满足其所有需求，但特别的\n是，当这些资金在被兑现之前以100%的储备率存放信托账户时，从存款人那里获得的资金就归存款人所有。事实上，在任何起诉，甚至是这个案件中，郭的银行存款账户中显示的余额将被美国司法部认定为郭的实际财富，即使在银行中以不足百分之百储备率存放的情况下，美国司法部也将全额存款视为郭的财产。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfd03fd491a741b8bfcb3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"qd64bf3acf9705a076f31","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":910,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-29T16:04:51.475Z","text":"受托人作为托管人在这个阶段无权干涉、引发禁令，或提出任何索赔。法院允许受托人基于这些理由干涉是完全不公正的，而且还大量增加了他们现在或将来在破产法庭中辩护的法律成本","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd64bf3acf9705a076f31","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"qc98abb3946857882682f","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":911,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-29T16:12:19.669Z","text":"盖尔把LUC和检方骂得狗血淋头啊       ， 荒谬，司法部应当承担责任，无同情心和羞耻心。。。                                                                                                      根本没有证据显示郭利用全球数千名客户来隐藏其资产。美国司法部完全掌握了来自交易所的银行账户的银行证据。这些证据明确显示了这些客户和其他许多人将资金从他们自己的账户存入交易所并兑现回自己账户。受托人突然提出这种立场，并企图将这些资金依据第11章破产案进行索赔，是非常荒谬的。对于这种行为的允许、回应、未及时纠正，美国司法部需要承担责任。这甚至不属于起诉书案的一部分，如果所有的钱确实都属于郭，那么欺诈在哪里呢？欺诈可是整个起诉书的基础！美国司法部和受托人似乎认为他们可以随意提出这些毫无根据的断言，而不会有人注意到没有实际证据。客户行动已经收到了一份由受尊敬的独立法务会计师做出的，由独立律师监督的令人信服的独立报告，证实了这一主张的核心重要性。法庭应该考虑实际的证据，而不是没有同情心或者羞耻感的受托人所提出的断言和类比。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc98abb3946857882682f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q38d4de9ab728abbd19ab","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":912,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-29T16:15:39.673Z","text":"这是v [删节：隐私信息]","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q38d4de9ab728abbd19ab","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q79015c10f00ce8a7f69d","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":913,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-29T16:24:59.747Z","text":"房子是gclub会员费买的，但是检方说郭把会员费买的东西，当成他家使用的资产了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q24aa7bac6735b671a4aa","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q79015c10f00ce8a7f69d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q24aa7bac6735b671a4aa","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q1c92928b3c0273d32393","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":914,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-29T16:30:39.223Z","text":"只要luc做的事合法的，他拿了律师费，法庭不会管的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3f04d732df761b23e9d6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1c92928b3c0273d32393","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3f04d732df761b23e9d6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q8d4ac1e96e35024c22d6","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":915,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-29T16:31:13.442Z","text":"盖尔打luc拿天价律师费，根本没用","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8d4ac1e96e35024c22d6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"qc0be2d0b82d0f9f44f78","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":916,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-29T16:34:39.533Z","text":"你们能不能先搞清楚检方到底起诉了郭什么，再谈这个案子？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc0be2d0b82d0f9f44f78","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"qd0ae78ffda72fc46950a","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":917,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-29T16:37:36.819Z","text":"郭要换律师，需要钱啊。如果没钱，需要政府免费律师啊。不然哪有律师代表他？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q00bafb4c4e52848cc61f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd0ae78ffda72fc46950a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q00bafb4c4e52848cc61f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"qab6a9986ba1e556ef4d1","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":918,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-29T16:37:49.128Z","text":"没律师，上诉个毛啊？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qab6a9986ba1e556ef4d1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"qf4a73574618175ec8e02","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":919,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-29T16:38:17.738Z","text":"喜国人的智商有问题吗？联盟之前说的捐了几亿律师费去哪儿了？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf4a73574618175ec8e02","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q0d8e2fd8d46544a1c370","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":920,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-29T16:40:12.338Z","text":"你觉得就算郭出来，他会给这些又傻又坏的喜国人赚钱吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa82346f30fe18c97c3d9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0d8e2fd8d46544a1c370","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa82346f30fe18c97c3d9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q5a816eee0fbcd571fc30","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":921,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-29T16:40:53.522Z","text":"当然如果郭不出来，喜国人是赔钱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5a816eee0fbcd571fc30","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q1ff64ed2a309ef1d910b","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":922,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-29T16:41:13.927Z","text":"很明显，受托人正在试图把成千上万的客户的投资归属于郭，托管人实际上是在行使职权的幌子下，将其合法化窃取","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1ff64ed2a309ef1d910b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q1d5d37fd426d81b90736","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":923,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-29T16:58:54.368Z","text":"Nick他们起诉普恒是中共代理人，不是被罚款了？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6e5a33679661c6737713","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"ht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of appearance 上面要填律师的名字，他律师还没定所以迟迟交不上来","edited":false,"reply_to":"qced822a985c6cc2826c1","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4574e3c7c376d5471c28","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q65b95f34a7bcb095c682","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":928,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-29T17:15:13.037Z","text":"退款和联盟有什么关系？退款两条路：1. 程序减免(853i)，但你必须是受害者 2. 853n，几乎赢不了。还有就是等郭出来，那就是要翻案。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa71b4c3526017c4f3897","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q65b95f34a7bcb095c682","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa71b4c3526017c4f3897","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"qd39a477f39378334502b","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":929,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-29T17:17:24.141Z","text":"对啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4574e3c7c376d5471c28","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd39a477f39378334502b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4574e3c7c376d5471c28","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q820257b7fb6f36544cd0","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":930,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-29T17:22:10.219Z","text":"他已经有了案号可以申请补交的，我的也是补的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q820257b7fb6f36544cd0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q08662d17bbfbba5dacec","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":931,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-07-29T17:22:26.757Z","text":"https://x.com/sarahzh67248600/status/2082516776806678743?s=12&t=eXMPp66CZUFD_7vvMedcSA","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q08662d17bbfbba5dacec","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"qfc34f9eb1bb749738b7b","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":932,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-29T17:24:17.322Z","text":"郭先把上诉律师搞定，再说吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbb7a325cb5f1e19b2ef6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfc34f9eb1bb749738b7b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbb7a325cb5f1e19b2ef6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"qc04b3a892862023b3359","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":933,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-29T17:24:41.296Z","text":"上诉连律师都没有，什么大招绝招也用不出来啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc04b3a892862023b3359","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"qe1e4afdf73232bcba085","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":934,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-29T17:24:51.845Z","text":"除非他要自诉","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe1e4afdf73232bcba085","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q732ce201116d5b6f727d","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":935,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-29T17:25:17.410Z","text":"联盟之前说的几亿律师费去哪儿了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q732ce201116d5b6f727d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"qaf30d17065a7c1bdeec8","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":936,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-29T17:25:42.567Z","text":"给郭美捐钱的喜国[屏蔽词]们，不给郭捐钱啊？🤪","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaf30d17065a7c1bdeec8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q35ef8dad98313cb3c72b","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":937,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-29T17:48:33.457Z","text":"［用户 him***］ 法盲","edited":true,"reply_to":"qc04b3a892862023b3359","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q35ef8dad98313cb3c72b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc04b3a892862023b3359","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"qab36990babbbb60ee239","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":938,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-29T18:04:31.391Z","text":"https://x.com/ruienxiaoge3/status/2082525153976897784?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qab36990babbbb60ee239","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q6f2c053c619bea81ed9a","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":939,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-29T18:09:40.374Z","text":"受害者有住在纽约南区的吗？应该没有吧， 那这个南区是不是根本没有管辖权？                                共谋诈\n骗包括位于纽约南区受害者在内的数千名受害者共计约10亿美元","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6f2c053c619bea81ed9a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"qf654966d2edc54f8235a","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":940,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-29T18:10:49.619Z","text":"马杜罗南区都有管辖权，郭的案子南区当然有管辖权了🤦‍♂️","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6f2c053c619bea81ed9a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf654966d2edc54f8235a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6f2c053c619bea81ed9a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q4a19b28c512109f85434","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":941,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-29T18:11:31.294Z","text":"［用户 him***］  马杜罗的管辖权是总统行政部门和南区讨论过的 郭的管辖权 根本没有讨论过","edited":true,"reply_to":"qf654966d2edc54f8235a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4a19b28c512109f85434","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf654966d2edc54f8235a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"qebf6a4978a27b44ba65e","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":942,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-29T18:11:46.603Z","text":"［用户 him***］ 说你法盲 你就是法盲","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qebf6a4978a27b44ba65e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q8691d77df7efa0634fa3","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":943,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-29T18:12:30.586Z","text":"［用户 him***］ 政治问题不裁决 国际主权冲突不裁决 一旦出现这种问题 必须事先研究决定你法官是否有裁量权 你不exercise裁量权你就是滥用裁量权","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8691d77df7efa0634fa3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q9c73d7e17225c32b141b","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":944,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-29T18:13:58.633Z","text":"［用户 him***］  你要问你怎么知道他们没讨论过？ tony主权冲突山去 南区不上传 这就是拒绝讨论 拒绝exercise 裁量权 这就是滥用裁量权","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9c73d7e17225c32b141b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q378dea7d2417dd7c2d8e","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":945,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-29T18:15:44.354Z","text":"靠真说了？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0d76a0e7798fd4b34134","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q378dea7d2417dd7c2d8e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q735e13928c9f4b9d346e","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":946,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-29T18:16:36.290Z","text":"不是","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb492c87b286d8d1bba4e","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q735e13928c9f4b9d346e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"qa4f5a322177a86180bf9","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":947,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-29T18:16:43.983Z","text":"应该是去找南区登记的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa4f5a322177a86180bf9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q7149fe034f879e6e2a5f","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":948,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-29T18:17:16.020Z","text":"located，不是说的登记啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7149fe034f879e6e2a5f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"qf58c5bad3c894f505cb4","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":949,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-29T18:17:22.282Z","text":"哦","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf58c5bad3c894f505cb4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q108ce96d5a84dadeda09","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":950,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-29T18:17:25.154Z","text":"located","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q108ce96d5a84dadeda09","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q920149a85417ca3f906b","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":951,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-29T18:17:33.891Z","text":"好像也可以也是登记的意思","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q920149a85417ca3f906b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q851d0a11745e8d0cbb67","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":952,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-29T18:17:40.942Z","text":"不一定是住？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q851d0a11745e8d0cbb67","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q4e249d7ed71f3bbe75ff","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":953,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-29T18:18:13.870Z","text":"对","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4e249d7ed71f3bbe75ff","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q0d5145ed1acdc4b7d011","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":954,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-29T18:18:24.023Z","text":"这就是为什么螺丝哥早就让他们验证受害者","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0d5145ed1acdc4b7d011","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q07edc02a812253755feb","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":955,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-29T18:18:27.208Z","text":"他们就是不干","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q07edc02a812253755feb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"qc913d27874971e92a512","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":956,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-29T18:18:41.701Z","text":"受害者在不在南区法院管辖区根本无关","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc53d23aa0ea119c42a2b","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc913d27874971e92a512","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://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不能把三个不同概念混在一起：事项管辖权、审判地点（venue）以及国际礼让或外国主权问题。\n1. SDNY明确具有事项管辖权\n根据 18 U.S.C. § 3231，美国各联邦地区法院对一切“违反美国法律的犯罪”享有原始管辖权。\n郭被控的罪名包括联邦RICO共谋、电信欺诈、证券欺诈、与银行欺诈有关的共谋、洗钱以及非法货币交易等。只要起诉的是联邦犯罪，联邦地区法院原则上就具有事项管辖权。\n政府是否最终证明了全部犯罪要件、某项交易是否属于美国境内交易，或者起诉书是否存在缺陷，通常涉及的是案件实体是否成立，而不是法院是否根本无权审理案件。\n2. 受害人不必居住在纽约南区\n截图中提出的“纽约南区有没有受害人居住”并不是判断法院管辖权的法律标准。\n联邦欺诈案件并不要求受害人必须居住在提起公诉的司法区。\n刑事案件的审判地点主要取决于犯罪的核心行为在哪里发生。对于跨越多个司法区的持续性犯罪，案件通常可以在犯罪开始、继续或者完成的任何司法区审理。\n郭案起诉书具体指称：\nGTV及Saraca的办公地点位于纽约市；\nG|CLUBS的部分业务在纽约市运营；\n被控共谋发生于“纽约南区及其他地区”；\n欺诈计划通过向纽约南区发送或从纽约南区发出的电子通信及资金转账实施；\n部分共谋行为发生在纽约南区。\n因此，从起诉书表面来看，SDNY具有审判地点上的充分联系。即使大多数受害人居住在其他地区，也不会因此自动否定纽约南区的审判地点。\n3. “法官没有专门讨论管辖权”不等于法院没有管辖权\n联邦刑事案件中，法院并不需要在每一个案件里单独发布一份裁定，专门说明其依据§3231取得管辖权。\n在本案中，Torres法官曾审理并驳回郭方要求撤销起诉书的动议。相关裁定也明确提到，起诉书指控共谋发生于2018年至2023年3月，地点包括“纽约南区及其他地区”。\n因此，称法院没有单独讨论“管辖权”，就等于拒绝行使裁量权，这种说法在法律上并不准确。\n事项管辖权通常不是裁量问题。 法院要么依法有权审理联邦犯罪，要么没有，并不存在法官可以自由选择是否“exercise jurisdiction”的通常意义上的裁量空间。\n4. “政治问题”和“国际主权冲突”属于不同层次的问题\n政治问题原则通常不会因为被告涉及中国政治活动，就阻止美国法院审理普通的欺诈、敲诈勒索、证券违法或洗钱案件。\n外国主权问题可能与以下事项有关：\n某项具体财产究竟属于外国政府、被告还是第三方；\n美国法院能否实际执行对境外财产的没收；\n国际礼让、外国政府合作或外交关系；\n第三方在刑事没收附属程序中对财产所有权提出主张。\n但这些问题一般影响的是特定财产或没收程序，而不是消灭法院对郭本人刑事责任的管辖权。\n私人提交材料声称中国政府可能对某些资金拥有利益，也不会自动把郭的联邦刑事案件转化为一个法院不得审理的“政治问题”。\n结论\n法律上更有依据的结论是：\n纽约南区对郭案具有联邦事项管辖权，起诉书也指控了与纽约南区具有实质联系的犯罪行为。即使没有受害人居住在纽约南区，也不会因此否定法院管辖权，也不必然否定审判地点。\n最多只能进一步审查：政府是否针对某一项具体罪名证明了纽约南区的审判地点要件。\n即使某一具体罪名存在审判地点问题，那也属于逐项罪名分析，并不等于整个郭案从一开始就因缺乏管辖权而无效。\n因此，称SDNY“根本没有管辖权”，或者法院没有讨论国际主权问题就构成滥用裁量权，这些结论都缺乏适用法律的支持。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q43e705f1360c36ab1b3d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q669ad36de41cadfb3a63","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":959,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-29T18:23:23.029Z","text":"［用户 him***］ 你是个[屏蔽词] 政治问题不审查 国际礼让问题不审查","edited":true,"reply_to":"q43e705f1360c36ab1b3d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q669ad36de41cadfb3a63","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q43e705f1360c36ab1b3d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"qcc0757780057b6691dbd","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":960,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-29T18:23:33.397Z","text":"主权 身份冲突 不审查","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcc0757780057b6691dbd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"qa78db18a4139ab90e3fa","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":961,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-29T18:23:55.202Z","text":"你不管有没有裁量权 你必须先exercise","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa78db18a4139ab90e3fa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q955b930b14860bf3a42d","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":962,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-29T18:24:05.018Z","text":"没有这一步 对不起 全案推翻","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q955b930b14860bf3a42d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"qc196aaa0cd7e1e4f0d45","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":963,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-29T18:24:09.073Z","text":"滥用裁量权","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc196aaa0cd7e1e4f0d45","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q93bd2fd06b550f6f3a2e","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":964,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-29T18:27:52.545Z","text":"管辖权问题就是一个伪问题，瑞恩[屏蔽词]带风向，转移视线的","edited":true,"reply_to":"q65f302868457c4e086e4","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q93bd2fd06b550f6f3a2e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"qf75eba280f6758891225","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":965,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-29T18:29:35.296Z","text":"螺丝哥最初的动议里，质疑的几千受害者，是比较合理的质疑","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf75eba280f6758891225","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q8acd9c44d4d6776050a1","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":966,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-29T18:29:38.681Z","text":"无论是underhill baker Zivotofsky哪个判例支持你不研究管辖权就直冲量刑 ？ ［用户 him***］","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8acd9c44d4d6776050a1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"qaabb540f44c7d5e69661","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":967,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-29T18:29:48.819Z","text":"最后证明确实没有几千受害者","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaabb540f44c7d5e69661","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"qd689fe5c55e0a70d782c","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":968,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-29T18:29:56.113Z","text":"这是合理的，讲道理的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd689fe5c55e0a70d782c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q3536f09dd7548fc4fa17","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":969,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-29T18:30:34.649Z","text":"猪贝贝质疑的王艳平是特务，就属于造谣传谣，瑞恩[屏蔽词]质疑的主权冲突之类的问题没有任何道理","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3536f09dd7548fc4fa17","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q9e7ad1bc9a74c896a230","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":970,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-29T18:31:51.831Z","text":"［用户 him***］  人家最高法判例摆在那里 你这[屏蔽词]还比最高法厉害？","edited":true,"reply_to":"q3536f09dd7548fc4fa17","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e7ad1bc9a74c896a230","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3536f09dd7548fc4fa17","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q0f46dfee26d00408d133","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":971,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-29T18:33:10.406Z","text":"瑞恩[屏蔽词]的动议，除了733还讲点道理，有些事实证据，后面的动议越来越偏。猪贝贝也是，第一个动议还讲点道理，第二个就胡说八道","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0f46dfee26d00408d133","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q126b25248c2c83ed83ba","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":972,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-29T18:33:47.222Z","text":"［用户 him***］  [屏蔽词] 你是法官？越来越偏 二巡为什么没有summarized 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就是他们心虚了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2df7ea22bb01611fd09f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfa8255369d5f71693147","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2df7ea22bb01611fd09f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"qeb60a3a150d91d5ed477","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":997,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-29T20:05:19.944Z","text":"换监狱了，青藤还他妈在接电话","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeb60a3a150d91d5ed477","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q763338c1ac2bbab1dff5","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":998,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-29T20:05:52.499Z","text":"老郭还没找到北呢","edited":false,"reply_to":"qeb60a3a150d91d5ed477","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q763338c1ac2bbab1dff5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeb60a3a150d91d5ed477","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q8a79280f14910a3b0605","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":999,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-07-29T20:06:43.275Z","text":"https://x.com/sarahzh67248600/status/2082558304530968711?s=12&t=eXMPp66CZUFD_7vvMedcSA","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8a79280f14910a3b0605","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"},{"id":"q38f4b5047a12a704c25d","batch_id":"batch-000140","seq":1000,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-29T20:06:45.380Z","text":"要的就是这感觉，他们想垄断话语权，却忽略了郭美的肉身，赶紧给她占了，傻子们听啥都信的，只要编的真一点","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc9529907f43a03f3b56a","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q38f4b5047a12a704c25d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000140"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000139","next_batch_id":"batch-000141"}