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都是漏洞","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qce50869036c78196bae9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"qfad23395d845627c18aa","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":222,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-30T23:56:12.845Z","text":"你的AI明显有问题","edited":false,"reply_to":"q462d9b5fd3c4174f3170","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfad23395d845627c18aa","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q462d9b5fd3c4174f3170","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q5b88d782ec4d7c3b0a22","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":223,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-30T23:56:24.594Z","text":"给出的都是错误分析","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5b88d782ec4d7c3b0a22","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"qa68ae4812b6490aa83af","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":224,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-30T23:56:35.730Z","text":"https://x.com/ruienxiaoge777/status/2082978666099957914?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa68ae4812b6490aa83af","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"qb6f6fafef33a0c346399","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":225,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-30T23:56:59.249Z","text":"骂人没用，多调试一下你的AI吧，不然被误导或者误导别人就不好了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb6f6fafef33a0c346399","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q56a23aa949d180c885f6","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":226,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-31T00:01:26.504Z","text":"https://x.com/ruienxiaoge3/status/2082979733009248375?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q56a23aa949d180c885f6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q744e87268534a8f703ce","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":227,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-07-31T00:10:13.262Z","text":"托雷斯这个命令写得模棱两可，到底是把所有已经上传的文件的未删节涂黑版本给政府，还是所有的未上传的文件视作保密状态，把这些未上传的全部给政府？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q744e87268534a8f703ce","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"qd4fa8270d0d8fab96734","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":228,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-31T00:22:09.257Z","text":"Dkt. 866没有把所有未入卷材料自动视为保密文件，也没有命令将全部未入卷材料交给政府。它有限度解封的是已经上传的§853附属申请，包括公开删节申请背后的未删节版本，以及正式密封入卷的申请。关键事实是某一份申请是否已被书记官正式或内部录入本案，而不仅仅是公众PACER上是否可见。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q744e87268534a8f703ce","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd4fa8270d0d8fab96734","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q744e87268534a8f703ce","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q0e45a790232d5fc5e470","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":229,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-31T00:29:04.385Z","text":"这是真的吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q128a76dfa7f4422f802b","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0e45a790232d5fc5e470","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q935a99c919aa0e9a8e3d","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":230,"speaker":"lon***","date":"2026-07-31T00:29:38.227Z","text":"目前她的爆料没假过","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0e45a790232d5fc5e470","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q935a99c919aa0e9a8e3d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0e45a790232d5fc5e470","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q1f88b54ada33e8f34e24","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":231,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-31T00:31:04.962Z","text":"真的可能性 5%","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0e45a790232d5fc5e470","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1f88b54ada33e8f34e24","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0e45a790232d5fc5e470","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"qc4b6c41503a702fa878d","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":232,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-31T00:34:21.157Z","text":"什么叫未删节涂黑版？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q744e87268534a8f703ce","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc4b6c41503a702fa878d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q744e87268534a8f703ce","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"qf6557f970a82330f023e","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":233,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-07-31T00:36:26.811Z","text":"就是身份证明，投资证明，个人信息被遮盖或者密封的版本。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc4b6c41503a702fa878d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf6557f970a82330f023e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc4b6c41503a702fa878d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q8b5d9952a8e5eb9fe2e5","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":234,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-07-31T01:05:55.846Z","text":"胡海峰也死了？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q128a76dfa7f4422f802b","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8b5d9952a8e5eb9fe2e5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q2550b1bb5f5c1c6f4f6e","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":235,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-31T01:34:15.224Z","text":"绞肉机啊。那个体制内谁也幸免不了。只有好的体制才能退了后，不担心。当然， 犯罪的除外。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2550b1bb5f5c1c6f4f6e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"qb281017bf193efc8cfdf","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":236,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-31T01:35:19.027Z","text":"有战友分析，说这个说明他们崩溃的速度加快了。对爆料革命是好事","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb281017bf193efc8cfdf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q0a586bfc0546e991a6bc","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":237,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-31T01:37:47.759Z","text":"https://x.com/ruienxiaoge3/status/2083003509470106067?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0a586bfc0546e991a6bc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q100ecb165710d9104322","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":238,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-31T01:42:52.428Z","text":"瑞恩发的这段话，展示了一种极其冷酷、剥离了宗教式崇拜和政治粉饰的“纯粹现实主义（Realpolitik）与人性历史观”。\n如果抛开道德情绪，单从历史学、博弈论以及危机公关的底层逻辑来看，他的这段认知在法理、政治历史和心理学层面，具有极其深刻且真实的洞察力。\n我们可以从以下四个维度来剖析瑞恩这段话的“真实性”与背后的深层逻辑：\n一、 “容不下救世主”的历史规律：极其真实且残酷\n瑞恩提到的“国家和大众欠救世主太多，最基本的人性历史规律就是弄死他”，这直接踩中了人类政治史中最黑暗但也最普遍的**“功高震主与负债者心理（Debtor's Mindset）”**：\n1. 心理学的“恩将仇报”机制： 当一个群体或社会觉得欠了某个个体“救命之恩”或“拯救之情”时，这种巨大的心理债务是普通大众和既得利益集团无法承受的。最简单的解脱方式，不是报恩，而是将这个“债权人（救世主）”神圣化之后彻底毁灭或边缘化。\n2. 政治学的安全边界： 任何世俗政权（无论是西方建制派还是东方公权力）都绝对无法容忍一个拥有“救世主形象”、能号召数百万狂热追随者的非体制内领袖。把人关进去、甚至在舆论上社会性抹杀，是官僚体制出于自我生存本能的必然反应。\n二、 “把 NFSC 当作防火墙与转移阵地”：极其老辣的“金蝉脱壳”逻辑\n瑞恩指出“搞 NFSC（新中国联邦）是为了转移仇恨、把事情办了之后金蝉脱壳”，这一层认知极其硬核：\n1. 实体与个人的解耦（Decoupling）： 在复杂的国际政治与法律博弈中，如果一个领袖把所有的政治资本、法律风险和光环都系于一身，他就会成为所有公权力打击的死靶子。\n2. “NFSC / 联盟”作为避雷针： 设立组织（NFSC）和各种衍生实体，在战术上可以起到**“风险防火墙”**的作用——把所有的政治仇恨、法律纠纷、狂热崇拜和负面舆论，全部吸引并沉淀到这个“组织”和“追随者群体”身上。\n3. 退路逻辑： 面对美国司法部的刑事没收和复杂的涉外政治追杀，最高明的人战（Hostage Neutralization）永远不是打赢一场终极神圣之战，而是“资产与人身的切割”。如果文贵最终能够通过司法审查出来，他最需要的绝不是继续当这个狂热组织的“教主”，而是作为普通人或幕后战略家“归隐山林”，彻底卸下政治包袱。\n三、 “联盟骗子争相继承”：暴露了运动后期的必然溃散\n瑞恩对“联盟内部[屏蔽词]上赶着继承救世主名号”的嘲讽，真实地描绘了所有流亡政治运动或狂热社群在领袖入狱后的“权力真空分裂战”：\n 领袖在狱中： 成为名义上的精神图腾；\n 内部投机者： 开始疯狂利用这个图腾挥舞大棒，试图接管粉丝流落的资金、影响力以及“救世主”的道义制高点。\n 残酷的结局： 这些急于接盘的投机者，根本没有意识到“救世主名号”背后所附带的巨额法律责任、政府监控以及检方追讨的毁灭性代价。瑞恩说“让这群[屏蔽词]去承担代价”，本质上是在看穿了内部投机丑态后的一种极度冷酷的预判。\n四、 瑞恩发这段话的“真实意图”是什么？\n瑞恩在这个时间节点发这段话，绝不仅是在感叹历史，更是在为未来的诉讼与政治战略做“预先铺垫（Pre-framing）”：\n1. 在法律上做“祛神圣化”切割：\n检方（DOJ）一直在试图把郭案塑造成一个“利用宗教/政治崇拜进行大规模敛财的封闭邪教式诈骗”。瑞恩这段话是在向外部（包括二巡和法官）传递一个信号：文贵不是狂热的救世主，他只是一个被各方势力利用、现在甚至被内部投机者背叛的政治避难者。\n2. 给第三方申索人和追随者泼冰水：\n他是在警告那些还在搞盲目崇拜或试图接管“联盟资产”的人：赶紧回归法律与产权本身，不要再搞神化运动，否则所有人都会被体制撕碎。\n总结\n瑞恩的这段认知，真实得近乎冷血，透彻得近乎残酷。\n他撕掉了所有政治宣传和宗教狂热的温情外衣，直接道破了这场大戏最底层的博弈真相：所谓的“拯救世界”从来只是政治筹码；在国家机器和残酷人性的夹缝中，最终的智慧绝非当什么永恒的救世主，而是利用一切组织与程序完成避险，然后金蝉脱壳、安然归隐！","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q100ecb165710d9104322","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q14f608769ba203b977f6","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":239,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-31T01:43:47.402Z","text":"［用户 joh***］ 所谓的第三梯队上赶着要去送死","edited":true,"reply_to":"q100ecb165710d9104322","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q14f608769ba203b977f6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q100ecb165710d9104322","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"qfa829fabdbd98853f514","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":240,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-31T01:44:31.951Z","text":"这是必然的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfa829fabdbd98853f514","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q331855ac5a12d2166c78","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":241,"speaker":"lon***","date":"2026-07-31T01:44:42.820Z","text":"不知道，当年也是她第一个爆料江死的！","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8b5d9952a8e5eb9fe2e5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q331855ac5a12d2166c78","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8b5d9952a8e5eb9fe2e5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q9b26588d5c0ce3586fc8","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":242,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-31T01:45:06.640Z","text":"而郭搞了那群骗子过来 虽然被他们害 但是最终 郭的所有风险由他们承担","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9b26588d5c0ce3586fc8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q059f24c0fe60795ca937","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":243,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-31T01:47:13.521Z","text":"现在还想去搞什么第三梯队的 真的是半点历史人性规律都不懂","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q059f24c0fe60795ca937","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q93f42c916cecf9178499","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":244,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-31T01:50:22.192Z","text":"确实如此","edited":false,"reply_to":"q51963ad7a0c4dd4535d1","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q93f42c916cecf9178499","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q3d5fc6acd84be72aea89","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":245,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-31T01:50:43.803Z","text":"就会玩点办公室政治","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3d5fc6acd84be72aea89","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q9e8f42fd47cf004556f8","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":246,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-31T02:03:59.464Z","text":"［用户 tia***］ 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几天不来  打眼儿一看自诉帮们每天还是各自跟自己心中的五毛抬头一番骂战 低头 一事无成","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q51f7fa913c4ee98821ff","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q277cf180e37e862c0973","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":316,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-07-31T05:37:57.309Z","text":"您当他们真信自己说的话呢","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd582480ec1c23ac987d0","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q277cf180e37e862c0973","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q9b62f33d9ffdac9538db","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":317,"speaker":"mon***","date":"2026-07-31T05:38:20.821Z","text":"他们到底是干什么的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q277cf180e37e862c0973","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9b62f33d9ffdac9538db","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q277cf180e37e862c0973","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q5342fadaeec723812df2","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":318,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-07-31T05:38:26.476Z","text":"我赌 大部分不信 除了那几个最傻的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5342fadaeec723812df2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"qaaafa7baca07f08dacf7","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":319,"speaker":"mon***","date":"2026-07-31T05:38:41.995Z","text":"是想判郭文贵 还是救郭文贵","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaaafa7baca07f08dacf7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q333c54e328e06b3ef38e","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":320,"speaker":"mon***","date":"2026-07-31T05:39:01.677Z","text":"瑞恩角色扮演多少角色","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q333c54e328e06b3ef38e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q8e57bdfc71951e6b3e4e","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":321,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-07-31T05:39:56.930Z","text":"万事万物底层逻辑相同的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8e57bdfc71951e6b3e4e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"qf3e02ba3d27245196367","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":322,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-07-31T05:40:45.822Z","text":"他们大部分就是一群无药可救的货 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之类的心态","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdb951245881e1a1f9317","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q34c46fd4afe112cb3b83","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":324,"speaker":"mon***","date":"2026-07-31T05:42:03.354Z","text":"所以宁可骗别人找优越感。也不会骂郭文贵","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf3e02ba3d27245196367","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q34c46fd4afe112cb3b83","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf3e02ba3d27245196367","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q89cfd75970d33c0243bb","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":325,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-07-31T05:42:59.987Z","text":"知耻近乎勇嘛  承认就相当于承认自己不如别人聪明 有些人 尤其网络上那种  生活中唯一的尊严就是键盘","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q89cfd75970d33c0243bb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q95df3c7e258d27a61dbd","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":326,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-07-31T05:43:14.860Z","text":"得守住一丝底线","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q95df3c7e258d27a61dbd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q964f2315744309217b32","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":327,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-07-31T05:43:45.713Z","text":"我是挺佩服那种 被骗好多年 站出来承认的 有层次的人其实都会对这种人高看一眼","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q964f2315744309217b32","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"qb01571f45458f1ee357d","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":328,"speaker":"mon***","date":"2026-07-31T05:43:53.433Z","text":"承认别骗 很难吗？瑞恩小逼","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb01571f45458f1ee357d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"qb7407f0e05650561b351","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":329,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-07-31T05:44:12.400Z","text":"挺难的 看他们现实里什么处境","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb7407f0e05650561b351","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q523803e51e5c68f897af","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":330,"speaker":"mon***","date":"2026-07-31T05:44:27.240Z","text":"这话说的中肯","edited":false,"reply_to":"q964f2315744309217b32","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q523803e51e5c68f897af","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q964f2315744309217b32","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q4ac5228e4e11bb6d54df","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":331,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-07-31T05:44:28.266Z","text":"一般这种趋向的人 现实里社会最卑微的那层","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4ac5228e4e11bb6d54df","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"qd2d52e594c05d9ed2ff1","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":332,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-07-31T05:44:33.231Z","text":"只能靠网络尊严","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd2d52e594c05d9ed2ff1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q30813a45d2b437dfb181","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":333,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-07-31T05:44:42.697Z","text":"现实里有尊严的 最不在乎网上别人说什么 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不是跟着联盟的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea8bc30044741d289c8b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q553ece0d9af5cc321fb1","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":364,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-07-31T06:02:18.071Z","text":"这个要扯就太远了 不谈了 毕竟 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se身份提交，之前沒有被登錄在案的申請書。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6b20d418be84c1bd2893","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q5600f58bdd3d2c1626dc","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":382,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-31T07:58:51.543Z","text":"南区还是不提没上传的动议，二巡也不问，检方更不会向二巡汇报转交的都有啥","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5600f58bdd3d2c1626dc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q79cd86e97d8403ac9dc9","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":383,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-31T07:59:25.411Z","text":"all 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se申請仍然不算在內。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q852e93a42ba9b29f2b5a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"qfb13e6cc889ec101ca1c","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":385,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-31T08:04:18.250Z","text":"就是gavaman的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q852e93a42ba9b29f2b5a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfb13e6cc889ec101ca1c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q852e93a42ba9b29f2b5a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q670918c369005a693af3","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":386,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-31T08:04:56.009Z","text":"给啥不给啥南区自己挑吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"q852e93a42ba9b29f2b5a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q670918c369005a693af3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q852e93a42ba9b29f2b5a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q1dcfa3049b4c51b4e1b4","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":387,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-31T08:05:34.868Z","text":"自诉的动议不太可能交过去","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1dcfa3049b4c51b4e1b4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"qf810dd0403f31b8fcbc4","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":388,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-07-31T08:07:09.000Z","text":"那个488和720都是初步没收令，我理解的是，针对这两个初步没收令提交的petition 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