{"id":"batch-000141","number":141,"revision":2,"date_start":"2026-07-29T20:08:32.152Z","date_end":"2026-08-02T17:37:07.251Z","total_messages":1000,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 141 (Jul 29, 2026 – Aug 2, 2026), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Batch 141 concerns whether second-appeal defects can be cured and whether facts can be reopened. Participants dispute Form B timing, counsel substitution, and whether counsel gaps and record limits forfeit remedies. They also contest asset-control and forfeiture: some tie fees/property to personal control, while others support criminal forfeiture, bankruptcy, and third-party return. Evidence credibility is the core disagreement over social posts, screenshots, calls, and filings, with references to ECF 2174, ECF 848/26-1296, and Dkt. 866. Community statements, not court findings.","guide_en":[{"title":"Appeal threshold and second-circuit timeline: whether Form B, counsel takeover deadlines, and unrepresented periods could invalidate appeal","description":"Participants argue the second-appeal sequence is legally unclear, contending that Form B timing, counsel substitution, and deadlines to retain counsel are central to whether remedies survive, while others seek practical guidance on timing rather than definitive closure. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qf7514932c97871996e92","qfb267dd421054fb8397b","q4bb6e036343b21d1b496"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qf7514932c97871996e92","summary_en":"A participant asked whether Guo could secure counsel before Aug 10, indicating this date was seen as a procedural breakpoint. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qfb267dd421054fb8397b","summary_en":"A participant questioned whether the second circuit would dismiss a case solely on third-party grounds, implying they expect counsel participation before such a bar applies. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q4bb6e036343b21d1b496","summary_en":"A participant asked whether an appeal must be initiated first before counsel can be obtained, framing a sequencing dispute. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Second-circuit merits-review boundary: whether the second circuit substantially reviews the record and if procedural dismissal is a terminal merits outcome","description":"Participants contend that the appellate forum is argued over as either confined to formal defects or able to address deeper procedural irregularities, with dispute over whether a procedural dismissal can still be treated as revisitable. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q98ebeea78c1728562cf2","q2295112d1772610cfd73","q9c133e102e77801868cf"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q98ebeea78c1728562cf2","summary_en":"A participant linked the procedural complaint thread to broader concerns, including how tightly the process is being controlled and broader enforcement narratives, rather than a narrow merits review statement. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q2295112d1772610cfd73","summary_en":"A participant directly asked whether the case had entered and whether a second-circuit judge had reviewed it. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q9c133e102e77801868cf","summary_en":"A participant claimed a third-party pro se filing could establish procedural violation and argued procedural errors should be prioritized over counsel-led merits arguments. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Asset seizure and forfeiture: whether dollar accounts, beneficial ownership, and third-party return ranges are conflated","description":"Participants dispute forfeiture scope, arguing over which accounts are genuinely tied to the case and who is deemed a beneficiary, with disagreement about whether third-party claims and investment funds are being swept into seizure narratives. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q89f481e6502a1625aecc","q7b5bd54db5bdcedadb93","q2bf3522fd10a56d801c3"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q89f481e6502a1625aecc","summary_en":"A participant cited a seized U.S. account held in the GETTR USA name with a $2,745,377.75 USD deposit at Manufacturers & Traders Trust, allegedly frozen around Sept. 18, 2022. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q7b5bd54db5bdcedadb93","summary_en":"A participant disputed seizure scope, arguing investors did not wire funds to GETTR and challenging why related funds in a G Fashion account were seized. They also cited a $9,899,659.19 USD US Bank account at roughly Sept. 18, 2022. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q2bf3522fd10a56d801c3","summary_en":"A participant reacted to the amount discussion by asking how much money was involved. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Guo, Gclub, and dues ownership: whether Guo is the de facto beneficiary and dues are personally controlled","description":"Participants claim the core dispute turns on whether membership payments and property use indicate personal benefit control, contesting both control attribution and resulting claims over assets. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q47dff2c6cdb97cd114af","qa18ac34df3583ac295b4","q9270f96f449a6a42c350"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q47dff2c6cdb97cd114af","summary_en":"A participant stated that the ruling identified Guo as the actual controller of Gclub. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qa18ac34df3583ac295b4","summary_en":"A participant argued that because Guo is the controller, membership fees paid were effectively controlled by him. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q9270f96f449a6a42c350","summary_en":"A participant relayed the prosecution’s assertion that Guo used paid membership fees to buy the Mawah Mansion for personal use. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Evidence-source credibility dispute: whether social posts, screenshots, recordings, and linked material are AI-forged or selectively leaked","description":"Participants dispute source reliability, contending that much of the documentary and social evidence is suspect and may be AI-manipulated, selectively revealed, or strategically reused. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q9223678f4f812cd9a8b1","q9d1028cdba3b968ddb32","qcd7b80b1ca0fa480b4c7"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q9223678f4f812cd9a8b1","summary_en":"A participant shared a social media post while joking about a long delay and missed mention of a user, using it to support credibility skepticism in the evidence thread. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q9d1028cdba3b968ddb32","summary_en":"A participant claimed an AI-generated speaker was now sounding less stable, signaling doubt about authenticity. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qcd7b80b1ca0fa480b4c7","summary_en":"A participant commented on a dynamic screenshot and suggested the person looked increasingly like another well-known figure, implying identity or authenticity concerns in visual evidence. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"\"Qige calls\" and account identity: whether caller authenticity, identity substitution, and AI control are being disputed","description":"Participants contend that call-based evidence is central to the credibility fight, with claims of coordinated performance, AI voice synthesis, and intentional identity substitution being used to manipulate group perception. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q6dccaca791a9c6447388","q2b79a697f42d457ec3e6","q8785d90253447ac7da59"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q6dccaca791a9c6447388","summary_en":"A participant asserted that the ‘Qige call’ episode is staged, alleging fake coalition activity, fabricated call records, and potential AI voice control rather than a genuine chain of command. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q2b79a697f42d457ec3e6","summary_en":"A participant compared domestic passivity unfavorably with Ukraine’s resistance, implying that resistance weakens the call narrative’s credibility. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q8785d90253447ac7da59","summary_en":"A participant made a sardonic remark that deceiving people is itself a skill, reinforcing the mistrust around staged communications. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Self-complaint and proxy boundaries: whether self-prosecution scope, Geyer’s authority, and dual-track filing rights exist","description":"Participants argue about who is entitled to file and frame the dispute, contending that pro se submissions may exceed legitimate authority and that missing exhibits undermine procedural integrity even if others defend the right to self-file. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q53addcb5d3e9d43ed611","q919ecadb8d293f43517a","q6572b91102c80e7fc337"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q53addcb5d3e9d43ed611","summary_en":"A participant claimed that anyone acting lawfully and without rumor-mongering can pursue a private complaint route. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q919ecadb8d293f43517a","summary_en":"A participant reported a filing detail from ECF 848 in 26-1296, including a Vienna address and identity overlap concerns, suggesting a link between online and filing personas. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q6572b91102c80e7fc337","summary_en":"A participant relayed group analysis that the self-prosecution looked like procedural “sand-in-the-system,” and argued missing Exhibit 6 could make core AI-fraud claims and “fraud on the court” allegations strategically exposed or abusive. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Docket disclosure transparency: whether all petitions, Dkt. 866, and PACER lists are opaque or selectively disclosed","description":"Participants dispute filing transparency, arguing that the docket trail appears selective around petitions and digital-banking records, and that certain lists or items may not be fully visible. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q469548e07d4b5374cc3c","qf810dd0403f31b8fcbc4","q0bb8e6b0526b3ea444f1"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q469548e07d4b5374cc3c","summary_en":"A participant identified the likely bank involved as Gavamen digital bank, indicating uncertainty about institutional ownership of key records. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf810dd0403f31b8fcbc4","summary_en":"A participant stated that items labeled 488 and 720 were preliminary forfeiture orders and implied petitions were filed in response to them. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q0bb8e6b0526b3ea444f1","summary_en":"A participant asked for clarification on which specific petitions were being referenced. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Bankruptcy court and criminal overlap: Mahwah jurisdiction, trustee eligibility, and lawyer-fee motions trigger legality disputes","description":"Participants contend that bankruptcy and criminal jurisdictions are clashing, with arguments over the trustee’s authority over seized exchange funds, fairness of procedures, and whether strategic motions are being used to block review. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q64c676964760ae4361ea","qbc4e314fdfb5034c761b","q494b086133e0cd0c9396"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q64c676964760ae4361ea","summary_en":"A participant cited hearing notes and ECF 2174 Attachment I to argue that the trustee, Luc Despins, had no clear authority over exchange funds and that motions did not treat those funds as part of chapter 11 property. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qbc4e314fdfb5034c761b","summary_en":"A participant argued the issue should be raised in bankruptcy court, claiming Luc was unqualified as trustee and that appellate enforcement should follow if bankruptcy adjudication is denied. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q494b086133e0cd0c9396","summary_en":"A participant defended procedural regularity and legal representation while accusing the opposite side of tactical obstruction, and alleged the DOJ used its priority leverage over seized funds without fully asserting it. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Asset-recovery framing split: whether to prioritize who gets money back or broaden liability allocation among alliance actors","description":"Participants dispute the strategic framing of recovery, with some pressing for immediate refund mechanics and others insisting on deeper accountability among alliance-connected actors. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q4bb5c6b53545c84724d3","qec2a1ddc3af63cd71834","q541bd8a1ebc24be6a12d"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q4bb5c6b53545c84724d3","summary_en":"A participant complained about perceived delays in Guo’s appeal process. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qec2a1ddc3af63cd71834","summary_en":"A participant urged the discussion to stay focused on practical money-recovery steps rather than abstractions. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q541bd8a1ebc24be6a12d","summary_en":"A participant redirected the question toward asking members to go to the alliance for money recovery instead of abstract blame-mapping. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Political escalation: Trump, geopolitical events, and \"Shanghai gang\" narratives extend the dispute beyond one case","description":"Participants claim the case narrative is politicized through references to Trump, geopolitical conflict, and control-themed conspiracies, which some argue stretches the thread beyond case facts. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q138899c90a36898c13f5","q711cccd89c3df6ab9680","q8261d98e885dc71d0a8a"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q138899c90a36898c13f5","summary_en":"A participant mocked a political figure as cowardly under pressure, injecting U.S. political imagery into the case discussion. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q711cccd89c3df6ab9680","summary_en":"A participant suggested the political wind has shifted and warned supporters against overcommitting before outcomes become visible. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q8261d98e885dc71d0a8a","summary_en":"A participant advanced a narrative that a Shanghai-linked network controls key institutions and narratives, and linked this to the case against Guo. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Institutional and legal characterization: whether the case is being forced into fraud framing and if procedural bias erodes trust","description":"Participants contend that institutional legitimacy is itself contested, with claims that authorities are steering the matter into a fraud frame and that trust in legal systems may be replacing evidence-based adjudication. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q83168a83cb00ed3501d6","qff588982df2c3afab370","q21a8962b967e0478c106"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q83168a83cb00ed3501d6","summary_en":"A participant claimed Western legal trust rests on social belief more than institutions, emphasizing skepticism toward process legitimacy. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qff588982df2c3afab370","summary_en":"A participant argued that at sensitive points the case was being intentionally confined to a pure fraud framing, with concern that present provocations may not prevent later political or legal backlash. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q21a8962b967e0478c106","summary_en":"A participant shared a social media post link to reinforce their position in the institutional framing dispute. Community statements, not court findings."}]}],"summary":"讨论围绕同一案件展开了“程序是否可修复”与“事实是否可重定”两类核心争议。多数人把注意力放在二审/二巡时效、Form B、律师接任与record边界，另一方强调程序缺陷与驳回后果是否足以重开救济。围绕资产控制与没收也高度分歧：既有人质疑会费和财产实为个人受益指向，也有人主张刑事没收、破产财团与第三方权利可并行。证据来源的可信度是最大冲突点，社媒帖、截图、通话与文书反复被指AI造假或选择性披露。角色归属（联盟、瑞恩、代理、受托人）与关系阴谋化，导致“被洗脑、内部阵营”等对立标签扩散，讨论一度上卷到政治化叙事后又不断回归金额回收与制度信任，整体未形成稳定共识。","guide":[{"title":"程序槛与二审时序：Form 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joh***］ 我就是来维稳的。踹一次Johnson母亲的逼可以 赚五毛。","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe36cd2d86a0759086c47","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q4bc5eaa62d3bcc9bfa8b","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":462,"speaker":"mon***","date":"2026-07-31T16:45:05.436Z","text":"比挖矿 还赚。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4bc5eaa62d3bcc9bfa8b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q5ef2b4e2b7f05b67e644","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":463,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-31T16:47:17.346Z","text":"但是像小羊，淘喵，坐禅之类，他们底下都是有粉丝的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5ef2b4e2b7f05b67e644","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"qde3066369d2a26556c2b","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":464,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-31T16:47:30.429Z","text":"你很容易分辨出来，他们是有团队的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qde3066369d2a26556c2b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q862ea3ac6fb482d9fa7f","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":465,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-31T16:48:00.779Z","text":"这个群你也很容易分辨出来","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q862ea3ac6fb482d9fa7f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q09640a6d41adb233947b","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":466,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-31T16:48:18.035Z","text":"谁是有团伙的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q09640a6d41adb233947b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q7c93545d6d658989aa3e","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":467,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-31T16:56:08.549Z","text":"财政部的 又是上海帮 金融帮\nhttps://x.com/bddnno/status/2083081381924794818?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7c93545d6d658989aa3e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q963102bcefb143c56f0c","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":468,"speaker":"lon***","date":"2026-07-31T17:00:21.672Z","text":"新闻也是给几个层的人看的，第一课问，什么是新闻🗞️：回答最精典的是：人咬狗叫新闻🗞️……\n记忆犹新👻\n摘录网络","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q963102bcefb143c56f0c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q664ebd396971fbbddb85","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":469,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-31T17:03:15.220Z","text":"其实大结局已经基本定了\n也就海外的，还在小闹腾\n知道结局，现在的新闻，都算旧闻","edited":false,"reply_to":"q963102bcefb143c56f0c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q664ebd396971fbbddb85","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q963102bcefb143c56f0c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q64c676964760ae4361ea","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":470,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-31T17:03:40.854Z","text":"在最近关于Mawah Mansion的听证中，第11章托管人Luc Despins表示他\n打算管理被司法部扣押的交易所资金，如附上的听证记录所示（ECF 2174\n附件I；第24-29页）。无论允许破产律师管理这些资金是否明智，显然他目\n前没有管理这些资金的权力，并且没有迹象表明这些资金是该财产的一部\n分。在Paul Hastings 致本法庭的信中对这一点的陈述似乎是有误导性和不\n准确的。此事更得到支持的原因是，提交给破产法庭的动议中并没有提及交\n易所、其资产或客户资金作为第11章财产的一部分。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64c676964760ae4361ea","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q56c9a1bd479456b0b56c","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":471,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-31T17:09:25.259Z","text":"破产案luc提交给刑事案的，关于Mahwah的陈述，造假","edited":false,"reply_to":"q64c676964760ae4361ea","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q56c9a1bd479456b0b56c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64c676964760ae4361ea","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q5c62eac972b35596dc50","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":472,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-31T17:11:06.883Z","text":"玛娃庄园已经被破产庭判为郭实际控制了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q64c676964760ae4361ea","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5c62eac972b35596dc50","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64c676964760ae4361ea","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"qd9e6a237054891b2ede0","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":473,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-31T17:11:17.760Z","text":"玛娃庄园现在在上诉","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd9e6a237054891b2ede0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"qb4ad7aee6191d50d735b","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":474,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-31T17:12:15.039Z","text":"所以luc才会去刑事庭抢玛娃庄园","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb4ad7aee6191d50d735b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"qa79b16b65f088dc3db55","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":475,"speaker":"lon***","date":"2026-07-31T17:18:12.867Z","text":"大局己定\n只是时间问题","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa79b16b65f088dc3db55","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"qf7514932c97871996e92","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":476,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-31T17:18:48.862Z","text":"你觉得8月10日之前郭能找到律师吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa79b16b65f088dc3db55","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf7514932c97871996e92","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa79b16b65f088dc3db55","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q494b086133e0cd0c9396","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":477,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-31T17:21:10.812Z","text":"他们遵循了适当的法律程序，并聘请了法律代表，这是他们的权利，\n以获得正当程序，而不遭受此类行为。受托人的申请和司法部在答\n复中的陈述都强烈表明，他们试图通过使用虚假的战略战术来阻止\n法院审理该动议，这不仅反映了他们之间的不当行为，也反映了他\n们之间的勾结。司法部有能力主张对被扣押资金的优先权，却保持\n沉默，任由事件发展下去，这对他们的案件有利。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q494b086133e0cd0c9396","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q4aff62663a22a586c379","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":478,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-31T17:29:54.404Z","text":"检查该受托人的历史并索取法律费用引发了进一步的担忧。似乎有\n一次没有通知的听证会，法院和受托人接受了属于交易所的 3 700 万美元\n资金作为担保，借给另一方直到游艇归还为止。船已归还，但担保并未解\n除。船归还后，受托人改变策略，声称第三方公司是 Miles Guo 的另一个\n身份，因此贷款现在属于破产财产。法院批准了申请，破产财产获得了全\n部担保资金。\n6 紧接着，受托人申请律师费，并从属于交易所和律师客户的\n3 700 万美元中获得了约 1 100 万美元的律师费。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4aff62663a22a586c379","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q4445093287baf2f7ce50","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":479,"speaker":"lon***","date":"2026-07-31T17:30:55.711Z","text":"我个人认知有限，觉得如果要人类灭亡，应该没有律师","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf7514932c97871996e92","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4445093287baf2f7ce50","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf7514932c97871996e92","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"qf0df82061b33e17ebe9e","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":480,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-31T17:31:31.089Z","text":"那如果8月10日郭没有律师，那咋办","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4445093287baf2f7ce50","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf0df82061b33e17ebe9e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4445093287baf2f7ce50","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"qb07de56787e4bbf0f691","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":481,"speaker":"nev***","date":"2026-07-31T17:35:37.083Z","text":"这不是[删节：成员身份]吗😂","edited":true,"reply_to":"qbe3287b6cb58da88e972","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb07de56787e4bbf0f691","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbe3287b6cb58da88e972","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q46ae951f7e3d56040e37","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":482,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-31T17:36:51.172Z","text":"自诉人早就应该打luc, 而不是天天揪着联盟那些小虾米不放","edited":false,"reply_to":"q56c9a1bd479456b0b56c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q46ae951f7e3d56040e37","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q56c9a1bd479456b0b56c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q9c686b553f62261de245","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":483,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-31T17:38:12.744Z","text":"打luc也没用，现在郭的上诉律师都没着落","edited":false,"reply_to":"q46ae951f7e3d56040e37","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9c686b553f62261de245","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q46ae951f7e3d56040e37","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"qa288fda001e7a59bed30","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":484,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-31T17:38:23.472Z","text":"郭不可能自诉吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa288fda001e7a59bed30","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"qac251eb0cb2ad8bfff0f","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":485,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-31T17:39:07.958Z","text":"郭上诉不留在mdc，怎么和纽约的律师沟通啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qac251eb0cb2ad8bfff0f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q8208bb30caf8e9561475","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":486,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-31T17:39:28.034Z","text":"纽约的律师要开车3个小时和郭见面开会啊？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8208bb30caf8e9561475","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"qa9b8b1def5d4c7c8e3c2","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":487,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-31T17:40:23.995Z","text":"你们不想想这些问题吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa9b8b1def5d4c7c8e3c2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"qd9e49ad0d736c5ccb462","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":488,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-31T17:41:53.423Z","text":"我看这一行动似乎并非善意，在逻辑上也不一致。我们强烈怀疑受托人\n提出这些动议是为了索取更多的律师费，并协助司法部破坏动议，从而阻\n止像律师的客户这样的投资者受到保护","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd9e49ad0d736c5ccb462","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q2114d53064c3c0030d2e","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":489,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-31T17:42:36.250Z","text":"这不是废话吗，受托人肯定是要拿更多律师费啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd9e49ad0d736c5ccb462","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2114d53064c3c0030d2e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd9e49ad0d736c5ccb462","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q25587904442a55d02ce8","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":490,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-31T17:42:45.110Z","text":"不然人家白干活啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q25587904442a55d02ce8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q183cad0363bf34102b73","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":491,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-31T17:44:14.397Z","text":"从法院的记录来看，有一项明确的协议，即在船只归\n还并由法院下令归还之前，这是一项担保。一旦船只归还，受托人决定声\n称获得贷款的船只公司实际上是郭的另一个自我，因此这笔钱属于破产财\n产。法院下达的命令与其之前下达的命令相悖，在之前的命令中，法院承\n认 3,700 万美元是第三方的钱，这笔钱一直存放在托管账户中，而不是属\n于信托基金或破产财产的账户。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q183cad0363bf34102b73","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q3f01627199509303808a","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":492,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-07-31T18:29:42.379Z","text":"https://x.com/ruienxiaoge3/status/2083258761167487472?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3f01627199509303808a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q5e1f23aef2e1a84ecf7d","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":493,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-31T18:39:04.422Z","text":"Luc在刑事案里只是一个第三方，得去破产案打吧，破产案有第三方这一说吗？而且是民事案，打赢打输有什么意义吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q46ae951f7e3d56040e37","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5e1f23aef2e1a84ecf7d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q46ae951f7e3d56040e37","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q1fbe986c19628ae1c2f2","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":494,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-07-31T18:51:07.286Z","text":"他大肆侵吞我们的财产，我们没权利 和意义去打？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1fbe986c19628ae1c2f2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q4580a3e15ce18da2cd8b","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":495,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-31T18:52:19.883Z","text":"得找对路啊，光有理不好使","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4580a3e15ce18da2cd8b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q1849fc62ae1d142ccec5","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":496,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-31T18:54:07.210Z","text":"👇 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2022年就开始与拜登FBI 合作 诬陷郭，是不是？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2894e106fbd2b4550799","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q09a256efa80d78372d96","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":515,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-07-31T22:29:11.004Z","text":"https://x.com/bannons_warroom/status/2083311753782235340?s=12&t=eXMPp66CZUFD_7vvMedcSA","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q09a256efa80d78372d96","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"qf3722342d6583b473d1e","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":516,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-31T23:04:38.173Z","text":"不会吧，老郭已经告诉他蛇妖闫得问题了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa1df04c7eeff9ddb388c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf3722342d6583b473d1e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa1df04c7eeff9ddb388c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"qaee31206b2778ee91dfa","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":517,"speaker":"ken***","date":"2026-07-31T23:07:13.243Z","text":"有问题的跟有问题的一起，不就没问题了吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaee31206b2778ee91dfa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"qe51407ff2237d5f78747","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":518,"speaker":"ken***","date":"2026-07-31T23:10:15.014Z","text":"https://x.com/focusnfsc/status/2000631994783531219?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe51407ff2237d5f78747","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q5826f50ef893cce3334c","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":519,"speaker":"ken***","date":"2026-07-31T23:11:19.664Z","text":"人家在2025年12月就表扬 天💩了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5826f50ef893cce3334c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q46c61bb49d95070695c9","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":520,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-31T23:14:25.173Z","text":"这是315后， 他们表阳蛇妖严？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5826f50ef893cce3334c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q46c61bb49d95070695c9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5826f50ef893cce3334c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"qc029851549cf105e883e","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":521,"speaker":"ken***","date":"2026-07-31T23:15:11.127Z","text":"对","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc029851549cf105e883e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q255ff14dd9c2ce139fa9","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":522,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-31T23:15:53.394Z","text":"那做实了 青藤不是好东西","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q255ff14dd9c2ce139fa9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q405a484c0f6326a1209d","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":523,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-31T23:17:46.923Z","text":"对了， 青藤/周悦， 联盟的账本呢？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q405a484c0f6326a1209d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"qf633742d0d9e911aeb31","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":524,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-07-31T23:30:20.947Z","text":"還偉大的閆博士！跟川普齊名爭和平獎🤣🤣🤣\n\n上海幫啊！上海幫！再次匯合⋯⋯","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe51407ff2237d5f78747","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf633742d0d9e911aeb31","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe51407ff2237d5f78747","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q9cab7731e439c2d4fe19","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":525,"speaker":"lon***","date":"2026-07-31T23:34:38.680Z","text":"突然想明白了香港七福楼放火……","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9cab7731e439c2d4fe19","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"qb8f5e887fe7d2112f08c","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":526,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-31T23:34:54.716Z","text":"？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9cab7731e439c2d4fe19","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb8f5e887fe7d2112f08c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9cab7731e439c2d4fe19","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q32e339f2858bd92ed735","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":527,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-07-31T23:37:00.494Z","text":"https://x.com/baoliaogeming/status/2083335415944396895?s=20","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q32e339f2858bd92ed735","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q7af92a8791df9af7b3ff","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":528,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-07-31T23:52:17.954Z","text":"共產黨已經是在野黨，現在的江山是習始皇的習家天下！\nNFSC里這幫奪舍徒，就是要換個殼殺回去，重掌江山！\n\n螺絲沒有得罪習皇，應該沒有問題的。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa14cd964b6b2793899aa","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7af92a8791df9af7b3ff","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"qe73edd17f3ee1de76646","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":529,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-07-31T23:53:44.744Z","text":"https://x.com/baoliaogeming/status/2083340284373713402?s=20","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe73edd17f3ee1de76646","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"qa9e7386a115d3e774ec2","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":530,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-31T23:56:08.646Z","text":"郭文贵先生肯定出来。100% 会的。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa9e7386a115d3e774ec2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"qb348a47c3bdcefb76746","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":531,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-31T23:58:05.035Z","text":"这个A 是什么？ 从来不知道他们的什么","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb348a47c3bdcefb76746","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q61eaa3998368bc9115d9","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":532,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-07-31T23:58:20.313Z","text":"还是螺丝哥说得对，砸郭的比挺郭的有肚量","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q61eaa3998368bc9115d9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"qbfa8a47eab19be0278f6","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":533,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-01T00:01:15.989Z","text":"别得意洋洋了。 不抓是因为二巡有您的法庭文件","edited":false,"reply_to":"qadba913227359a5f0aba","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbfa8a47eab19be0278f6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q08c3d9fbd09ffb281e3a","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":534,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-01T00:02:55.452Z","text":"不想留痕迹也留了  - 看着吧。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb5ade8f7ba1faba11a31","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q08c3d9fbd09ffb281e3a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"qe04cb6571780c4f67b30","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":535,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-01T00:06:55.395Z","text":"那些骂习近平的伪类 现在还骂不骂了？ 如果没有伪类骂习近平了， 那么就说明是真正的习家王朝了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe04cb6571780c4f67b30","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q63a976a781a0605359f6","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":536,"speaker":"lon***","date":"2026-08-01T00:11:21.448Z","text":"看看和栗战书有关的人的最近状态","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb8f5e887fe7d2112f08c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q63a976a781a0605359f6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb8f5e887fe7d2112f08c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"qa1ac4e7e93ffd2296c51","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":537,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-01T00:14:47.898Z","text":"香港大埔宏福苑于2025年11月26日发生五级大火，造成168人死亡、79人受伤，是香港半个多世纪以来最严重、伤亡最惨烈的高层住宅火灾。火灾经过与严重性火烧连环船：大火从一栋建筑开始，因外墙正在进行大维修，火势借助竹棚架和保护网迅速向上及向周边蔓延，在短时间内波及屋苑多栋大厦。死伤惨重：大火连续焚烧超过43小时，造成重大人员伤亡及1名消防员殉职，成为香港回归以来最严重的灾难事故之一。起火与蔓延原因外墙棚架与防护网：事发时屋苑正进行大型翻新工程，外墙搭有竹棚及保护网，燃烧的竹架碎屑和火屑随风飘散，导致火势迅速扩大。易燃物助长：调查显示，大厦工程团队在住户窗外放置了易燃的发泡胶板，加剧了火势向单位内部蔓延的速度。人为与监管疏忽：警方及消防初步调查怀疑施工期间涉及未符合防火标准的物料及安全疏忽，已依法拘捕相关工程公司责任人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa1ac4e7e93ffd2296c51","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q59debc3930f671c90373","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":538,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-08-01T00:16:02.604Z","text":"估計檢方通知了青、AVA，不能說直接跟郭通話☎️，還他媽天天通電話，那是不合法的。（因他們是檢方證人）\n\n現在換人＂接電話＂了🤭🤣🤣\n一個于戰友？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q59debc3930f671c90373","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"qf7e5488720dfcff2d08d","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":539,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-08-01T00:16:53.689Z","text":"于昨天！🤪","edited":false,"reply_to":"q59debc3930f671c90373","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf7e5488720dfcff2d08d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q59debc3930f671c90373","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q1755b5804412645485ef","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":540,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-01T00:18:04.518Z","text":"现在可以视频电话了？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1755b5804412645485ef","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q21579c4aabb16705567a","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":541,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-01T00:18:21.390Z","text":"2026 年 2 月 27 日 下午 9:43 正体\n【希望之声2026年2月27日】（希望之声记者杨正综合报导）\n\n不知道大家最近有没有注意到，中共官场上似乎又刮起了一阵「消失的风」。13 名高官在重要会议上集体消失，连「副国级」的大佬都没了人影","edited":false,"reply_to":"q63a976a781a0605359f6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q21579c4aabb16705567a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q63a976a781a0605359f6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q0ca7528af4961bcabd06","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":542,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-08-01T00:19:11.954Z","text":"Sarah 的二巡文件揭露了他们“接电话”，检方也收到了抄送函。检方不傻","edited":false,"reply_to":"q59debc3930f671c90373","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0ca7528af4961bcabd06","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q59debc3930f671c90373","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"qce683fc0e399450ecd69","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":543,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-08-01T00:22:48.113Z","text":"Sarah幹得非常棒👍👍👍💪💪💪🌹","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0ca7528af4961bcabd06","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qce683fc0e399450ecd69","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0ca7528af4961bcabd06","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"qc0170e947cc856725936","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":544,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-01T00:50:36.175Z","text":"辩方律师根本就没有做这个吧                                         这些无辜\n的人正在失去他们的投资。他们不能等到刑事诉讼有最终结果。因为到那时交易所将会倒闭，导致无法弥补的损失。在美国 诉 James Daniel 不动产案,510 U.S. 43 (1993)中，最高法院认为，面临财产没收时，必须给予被告机会在审判前对政府的扣押行为提出异议。该\n判决承认，如果在对相关刑事指控进行全面判决之前没收财产，可能会造成无法弥补的伤  害。在Kaley 诉 美国案,571 U.S. 320 (2014)）中，最高法院进一步强调了保护性程序的重要性，以防止在审判前扣押资产造成无法弥补的伤害。法院认为，面临刑事指控的被告有权\n在审前听证会上质疑扣押其资产的合法性，从而避免造成无法弥补的伤害。如果被告都有这项权利，那么无辜客户的权利无疑应被列为更高的类别，而不应像面临起诉的被告那样受到\n严苛的审查。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc0170e947cc856725936","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q7f48096ea3b805cbb77e","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":545,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-01T00:52:34.406Z","text":"迄今为止政府未能证明所有账户都迫切需要扣押。在美国 诉 8,850 美元的美国货币案461 U.S.555（1983 年）中，政府主张只要其认为合适就有权保留扣押的财产, 对此最高法院给予驳回。最高法院认为，从轻没收资产的行政申请仍处于待处理状态时，在没有进\n行重大司法听证的情况下，待处理的申请不能成为长期扣押财产的理由。根据此案，国会通过了《2000 年民事资产没收改革法案》（Civil Asset Forfeiture Reform Act of 2000，CAFRA）。此案强调了一项原则，即政府必须证明审判前扣押财产的迫切性，并且法院必须仔细考量对被告可能造成的伤害。本案中政府扣押资金长达一年半之久，期间即没有 \"重大司\n法听证 \"，也没有对可能的伤害做出应有的考量。所以司法部没有给出任何令人信服的理由， 却建议目前不释放客户的资金的做法，是站不住脚的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7f48096ea3b805cbb77e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q67714efcf3cee7701da8","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":546,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-01T00:53:46.701Z","text":"因此政府继续扣押资产应被看作是越权之举，无辜客户的投资不应该被剥夺。Madi\nson再申请案，687 F. Supp. 2d 103, 117 (纽约东区法院，2009)，就要求法院在\"政府继续保留财产的意愿“和”所有者对其财产的使用权\"之间寻求平衡。法院必须考虑的因素包括 \"政府是否'冷酷漠视'申请人的宪法权利\"；\"申请人是否对被扣押的财产拥有个人利益和需求\"；以及 \"如果不归还财产，申请人是否会受到无法弥补的伤害\"","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q67714efcf3cee7701da8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q93866be7a47029fb82c0","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":547,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-01T01:10:42.206Z","text":"这是王雁平教郭美说话以后又没删语音信息被检方抄去了？故意的吧？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q93866be7a47029fb82c0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q5e310bf6dd69dc7a4a96","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":548,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-08-01T01:13:14.835Z","text":"SEC在老郭還沒有被定罪之前，\n\n💥就把GTV關閉了\n💥把Gnews關閉了\n💥把喜交所查封了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5e310bf6dd69dc7a4a96","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"qa0be7b8342d1b4404fe5","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":549,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-01T01:17:19.655Z","text":"4条，1/20/2022 ，谁个傻帽会把语音信息留这么久被抓到，不是故意的是什么","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa0be7b8342d1b4404fe5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q35dc17c11c42170dd1b1","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":550,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-08-01T01:17:19.857Z","text":"郭美三十幾歲的大人了，見過大世面，用得着王雁平教他說話？\n要怎麼說也是律師的事吧！\n\n王就是故意而為之！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q35dc17c11c42170dd1b1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"qce921986939c65defb7d","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":551,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-01T01:19:32.175Z","text":"郭太能干把老婆孩子保护照顾得太好，什么都不让她们操心，结果她们好像白痴一样了，自己船和公司在法庭上一问三不知，搞得房子和船都输掉了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q35dc17c11c42170dd1b1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qce921986939c65defb7d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q35dc17c11c42170dd1b1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q81616fc84e6602e8d61b","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":552,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-08-01T01:20:03.198Z","text":"法律文件上寫的是郭美的就是郭美的，就算是老郭買來作禮物送給郭美的，那就是郭美的私人財產！","edited":false,"reply_to":"q93866be7a47029fb82c0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q81616fc84e6602e8d61b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q93866be7a47029fb82c0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"qeb20c846c7a423f595fb","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":553,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-01T01:22:38.690Z","text":"郭强买的，就算郭美不熟悉自己没打理，刺破面纱也只能刺到郭强啊，不知道什么逻辑","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeb20c846c7a423f595fb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q1ae66c903caf0aaab552","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":554,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-08-01T01:24:25.043Z","text":"不太相信郭美就像個白痴一樣，見過大場面，也在國外留學，大學畢業，英語也很好⋯⋯","edited":false,"reply_to":"qce921986939c65defb7d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1ae66c903caf0aaab552","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qce921986939c65defb7d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q4b263ffabd78fde828b7","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":555,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-08-01T01:26:56.889Z","text":"親人之間互贈禮物那也是常有的事，對啊，如果是郭強買來送給妹妹的禮物，為何又成了老郭的資產？\n\n這個案件太多太多荒唐的地方","edited":false,"reply_to":"qeb20c846c7a423f595fb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4b263ffabd78fde828b7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeb20c846c7a423f595fb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q81bc626ca5b24e4eb462","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":556,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-08-01T01:30:42.974Z","text":"明兒螺絲哥說托雷斯家房子是他的資產，也是合法的。🤭","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q81bc626ca5b24e4eb462","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"qf98c359b7a6234de8c83","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":557,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-01T01:35:40.750Z","text":"https://x.com/Vicky22955256/status/2081997043237880108?s=20","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf98c359b7a6234de8c83","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q29560afc0b0193edc7ca","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":558,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-01T01:52:47.950Z","text":"在\n王某被逮捕并被宣读米兰达权利后，但在她请求律师之前，王某至少提供了一个可以打开\n其中八部设备的密码（或“PIN”）。其他五部被扣押的设备要么需要不同的PIN，要么\n根本不需要PIN。FBI数字取证专家后来访问并提取了这13部移动设备的数据。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q29560afc0b0193edc7ca","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"qd55dec591823aaf1b0e1","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":559,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-08-01T01:56:24.737Z","text":"赢了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd55dec591823aaf1b0e1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q98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                                                 该清单根据在新泽西州马华的另一处房舍搜查时找到的一份文件中的标识，\n将相同的 \"777777\" 密码列在全案潜在密码清单的首位。而某些设备要么不需要密码，要\n么密码是通过与王的陈述无关的手段获得的。\n特别探员杰西卡-卡德纳斯（Jessica Cardenas）预计将作证她在2023年3月15日\n搜查郭文贵公寓时在场，当时郭文贵和一名知己都自愿提供了他们所持手机的密码\n\"777777\"，包括郭文贵被捕时手中拿着的一部手机。3","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q98f5069166d6691d86f1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q5e02ef1b65bbd6184c5c","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":561,"speaker":"lon***","date":"2026-08-01T02:05:14.168Z","text":"王故意说出密码，如果她不说FBI、CIA都不敢强拆","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5e02ef1b65bbd6184c5c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q2f70e30401784e00ef79","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":562,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-08-01T02:19:54.951Z","text":"好像3月15號那天FBI上去挺早的，請問有人記得大概早上幾點鐘？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q98f5069166d6691d86f1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2f70e30401784e00ef79","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q98f5069166d6691d86f1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"qe929de065a786061f8bd","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":563,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-08-01T04:06:40.465Z","text":"5-6点钟","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2f70e30401784e00ef79","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe929de065a786061f8bd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2f70e30401784e00ef79","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q6b232a0a469cc89397bf","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":564,"speaker":"nev***","date":"2026-08-01T04:08:59.776Z","text":"https://x.com/bannons_warroom/status/2083309600204271644?s=","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6b232a0a469cc89397bf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q0009a78c6ba052a508fa","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":565,"speaker":"nev***","date":"2026-08-01T04:09:23.917Z","text":"班农还让蛇妖闫上节目","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0009a78c6ba052a508fa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q7bc8ca913930ed1cd52c","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":566,"speaker":"lon***","date":"2026-08-01T04:17:34.193Z","text":"听说当时香草山的所有管理和医生都打了😂😂","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7bc8ca913930ed1cd52c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"qd5d5d9940f88d0cb01c1","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":567,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-08-01T04:51:17.311Z","text":"https://x.com/sarahzh67248600/status/2083415043266543701?s=12&t=eXMPp66CZUFD_7vvMedcSA","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd5d5d9940f88d0cb01c1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q8e2151132588e32c4e38","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":568,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-08-01T04:52:32.322Z","text":"可能是以前的视频对话。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0009a78c6ba052a508fa","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8e2151132588e32c4e38","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0009a78c6ba052a508fa","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q3155b89802a9864e06ec","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":569,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-01T05:10:22.313Z","text":"参考辛普森案","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5e02ef1b65bbd6184c5c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3155b89802a9864e06ec","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5e02ef1b65bbd6184c5c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"qb2750ebd2e14e0b8783a","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":570,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-01T05:44:47.393Z","text":"抢功劳","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6b232a0a469cc89397bf","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb2750ebd2e14e0b8783a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6b232a0a469cc89397bf","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q919ecadb8d293f43517a","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":571,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-08-01T05:45:17.417Z","text":"我今天研究了一下小东名字，的确在ECF848，即二巡的26-1296 的电子邮件中出现，而且地址是在奥地利维也纳，邮箱名称是黄可可，文件发送人是Bao Chu。Ta对盖尔是执反对态度的，认为盖尔并不代表Ta.\n而X上的安小东也是来自于奥地利。\n这的确让人觉得这两个人是同一个人。但是X上的安小东据说是支持盖尔的。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q03a46fbcece39ceba712","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q919ecadb8d293f43517a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q8ad5a79c8931c0196b6b","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":572,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-01T05:45:44.917Z","text":"［用户 sar***］  不是","edited":true,"reply_to":"q919ecadb8d293f43517a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ad5a79c8931c0196b6b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q919ecadb8d293f43517a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"qff3a73ff461701b5bcd7","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":573,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-01T05:45:56.864Z","text":"［用户 sar***］  他的意思是 他拿钱的这部分 还是盖儿代表","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qff3a73ff461701b5bcd7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"qd01dadacc0abb6ad7518","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":574,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-01T05:46:08.658Z","text":"程序问题 超过盖尔的代理范围","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd01dadacc0abb6ad7518","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q31aff766394dd7fe0813","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":575,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-01T05:46:18.260Z","text":"himam自己说 \n［用户 him***］","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q31aff766394dd7fe0813","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q09b6f71b26056ace0ae0","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":576,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-08-01T05:47:59.387Z","text":"好吧。机器人分析得可能不对","edited":false,"reply_to":"qff3a73ff461701b5bcd7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q09b6f71b26056ace0ae0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qff3a73ff461701b5bcd7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q960ad2d6c257ab76a0aa","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":577,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-01T05:49:04.361Z","text":"［用户 him***］ 既要又要 圣母婊道德婊","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q960ad2d6c257ab76a0aa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"qeb256b686ad5a76a013a","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":578,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-01T05:51:09.017Z","text":"这孔子学院，敢情教的是鬼谷子🤣 \n［用户 him***］","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeb256b686ad5a76a013a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q4a629cebd1974d0ce752","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":579,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-08-01T05:55:29.445Z","text":"我：\n\n刚才群里有人提出：\n关于盖尔代理问题，该自诉人的意思是，他拿钱的这部分，还是盖尔代表；程序问题，超过盖尔的代理范围。\n\n机器人：\n\n你群里这个朋友的理解非常准确，直接抓住了这份文书在代理关系上的核心逻辑。\n用大白话来说，这位自诉人（Bao Chu）就是在玩一个**“双轨制”的防火墙策略**：\n1. 拿钱/财务部分（钱的事情交给律师）\n 代理主体： 盖尔律师（Bradford L. Geyer）。\n 代理范围： 仅限于 21 U.S.C. § 853(n) 附带没收程序以及向美国司法部申请追回/赔偿被没收资产（Remission）。\n 逻辑： 涉及经济利益追偿、清算和合法的资产发还流程，依然由专业律师合法代表。\n2. 揭露检方/控诉伪证部分（硬刚司法系统的重磅炸弹由自己来投）\n 代理主体： 提交人自己（Pro Se / 自辩）。\n 代理范围： 揭露检方使用 AI 伪造证据、证人伪证、指控检察官和破产受托人“欺诈法庭（Fraud on the Court）”。\n 逻辑： 这种极其敏感、带有重度控诉性质且可能引发法律/职业道德风险的动作，已经超出了盖尔律师的授权范围。提交人通过明确“盖尔管不到这里”，既是在程序上强行自己递交材料，也是在帮盖尔隔绝潜在的执业风险（或者盖尔本身就不愿意签署并递交这种高度争议的控诉文件）。\n💡 为什么他要这么做？\n在法律实务中，这种处理方式通常出于两个原因：\n1. 律师不愿背书： 美国联邦法院对律师提交的文件有严格的 Rule 11 限制（如果律师提交了缺乏事实依据或过于激进的控诉，律师本人会面临法院制裁甚至吊销执照）。盖尔律师很可能拒绝为“AI 伪造证据/检方犯罪”这类控诉签字，因此自诉人只能自己以 Pro Se 身份冲在前面。\n2. 避免被法院以“混合代理”（Hybrid Representation）直接打回： 美国联邦诉讼法原则上不允许“既有律师代理，同时自己又亲自跑去法庭交诉状”。自诉人为了让上诉法院接收自己的紧急申请，必须在文书中划清界限——证明“盖尔只管追钱，不管这个刑事程序问题”，从而证明自己有资格以 Pro Se 身份直接向法院发声。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4a629cebd1974d0ce752","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"qff47ee18705ef00d88ef","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":580,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-01T05:56:30.488Z","text":"就是既要又要 ［用户 him***］","edited":true,"reply_to":"q4a629cebd1974d0ce752","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qff47ee18705ef00d88ef","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4a629cebd1974d0ce752","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"qc17d14f426c461f36ace","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":581,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-01T06:03:23.463Z","text":"我还以为是🐦在说话，跟他一个口音","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5e62a741eae6cfe1f28e","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc17d14f426c461f36ace","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q6572b91102c80e7fc337","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":582,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-08-01T06:04:00.419Z","text":"我：\n\n群里几个发言积极的人说：这份自诉是给自诉者渗沙子的。不是真正的自诉。瑞恩甚至说Ta欺诈法庭，因为Ta说的附件6根本就没有拿出来。\n\n机器人：\n群里这几位积极发言者的分析确实非常尖锐，而且直接打中了这份法律文书在实务操作和诉讼策略上的“致命硬伤”。\n结合他们提到的“渗沙子”和“关键附件缺失”两点，可以从诉讼策略和证据法角度进行如下拆解：\n1. 为什么说这份自诉可能是在“渗沙子”？\n在复杂诉讼或政治性较强的案件中，所谓的“渗沙子”策略（即通过非典型途径强行注入特定材料），通常有以下几种动机：\n * 强行将未质证材料塞入案卷（Record Building）：\n   正常情况下，第三方（如投资人/受害者）在刑事主案中根本没有发言权，更无法直接向法庭提交检方“使用 AI 伪证”这种重磅控诉。通过打着“紧急调卷令（Mandamus）”和“Pro Se 申诉”的旗号，自诉人可以在程序边缘强行把这些材料递交给上诉法院，哪怕最终被驳回，这些文字也已经永久留在了法院的 ECF（电子案卷）系统里。\n * 分化/干扰主案诉讼节奏：\n   这种以 Pro Se 身份发起的外部干预，既不完全属于被告人（郭文贵）团队的官方辩护动作，又超出了追钱律师（Geyer）的授权，客观上会在主案（SDNY）和上诉法院（Second Circuit）之间制造噪音，甚至可能打乱辩护律师原本的诉讼策略。\n * 公共舆论与法律程序的“双轨操作”：\n   这类文书很多时候不仅仅是写给法官看的，更是写给关注此案的群体看的。通过高度戏剧化的法律控诉（AI 伪造、检方欺诈），达到在舆论场制造“检方程序违法”议题的目的。\n2. 关于瑞恩提到的“欺诈法庭”与附件缺失\n瑞恩（Ryan）提到的这一点在法律上是非常严重的质问。如果文书中明确引述了**“附件 6（Exhibit 6）”作为证明“AI 伪造证据/检方欺诈”的核心依据，但在实际提交给法院的文件包中缺失了该附件**，这将产生极大的法律后果：\n① 诉讼诚信度直接破产（Lack of Evidentiary Basis）\n在美国联邦法院，任何重大的刑事/民事指控都必须有相应的证据（Exhibits）支持。如果在正文中信誓旦瞻地声称“附件 6 证明了检方伪证”，但实际上根本没有附上，法官会直接认定该指控为**“空洞主张（Conclusory and Unsubstantiated Allegations）”**，甚至认为提交人是在虚张声势。\n② 法律上的“欺诈法庭（Fraud on the Court）”反噬\n“欺诈法庭”是一个门槛极高的法律概念，通常指诉讼参与人故意通过虚假陈述、隐瞒关键事实或制造假证据来误导司法机关。\n * 自诉人在文书中指控检方“欺诈法庭”；\n * 但如果自诉人自己引用的核心证据（附件 6）空穴来风、隐匿不报或根本不存在，那么自诉人这种**“无事实依据却作出重度刑事指控”**的行为，反过来很容易被对方（或法官）认定为是在滥用司法程序、误导法庭，从而构成广义上的“欺诈法庭”或法庭轻慢（Contempt of Court）。\n💡 总结\n群里朋友们的直觉非常敏锐：\n如果一份文书靠喊极其耸动的口号（AI伪造、检察官犯罪）吸引了眼球，但在最关键的证据链条上（如附件 6）玩“空手套白狼”，那它在法律上的真实意图就非常可疑。 这极有可能不是为了真正赢得法律诉讼，而是一种典型的通过诉讼程序进行“政治/舆论渗沙子”的公关策略。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6572b91102c80e7fc337","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q4461e53db70c69a76085","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":583,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-01T06:15:23.848Z","text":"老黄跟灭爆配合的天衣无缝，一边说灭爆是骗子，一边拿灭爆的话当事实砸锅","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4461e53db70c69a76085","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"q10558ecc565d25474215","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":584,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-01T06:20:33.629Z","text":"流量密码","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4461e53db70c69a76085","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q10558ecc565d25474215","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4461e53db70c69a76085","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"qe0cb6a886597b3efca20","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":585,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-01T06:23:39.085Z","text":"他不是靠流量吃饭的，他就是计划中的一环","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe0cb6a886597b3efca20","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000141"},{"id":"qe99c99372a7067a2840f","batch_id":"batch-000141","seq":586,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-01T06:28:07.439Z","text":"［用户 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